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"Damn, was going to go last night but the miserable weather put me off leaving the house. The past few times I've been Dave has been letting in too many single guys though, it was a bit of a cockfest last friday. " Never is when I go. I asked him about that as I've noticed less and less single guys and he told me the limit was 6 single guys per couple. Having said that, I've never seen that many. Bit of a shame as I would kill to go to a club where there are lots of single guys so I have people to play with, but it never seems to happen for me. | |||
"Damn, was going to go last night but the miserable weather put me off leaving the house. The past few times I've been Dave has been letting in too many single guys though, it was a bit of a cockfest last friday. Never is when I go. I asked him about that as I've noticed less and less single guys and he told me the limit was 6 single guys per couple. Having said that, I've never seen that many. Bit of a shame as I would kill to go to a club where there are lots of single guys so I have people to play with, but it never seems to happen for me." Maybe I've just been going on the wrong nights then. | |||
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"We like reading the reviews of all the clubs but when we are ready we visit ourselves and make our own mind up "I think thats the only way people can form an honest opinion of any club. What I like, someone else might not. | |||
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"isis is def not a dump its a smallish place, but always clean with really good people there!!!!" Oh come on, it needs a face lift! They'd supposedly decorated a couple of years ago but the mural thing is out of date & it's very clicky. It's great for somewhere to go for a lunchtime quickie though! | |||
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"Just because a place need decorating doesnt make it a dump. Its simple if you dnt like it dont go" Do you have shares in it?! | |||
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"Damn, was going to go last night but the miserable weather put me off leaving the house. The past few times I've been Dave has been letting in too many single guys though, it was a bit of a cockfest last friday. Never is when I go. I asked him about that as I've noticed less and less single guys and he told me the limit was 6 single guys per couple. Having said that, I've never seen that many. Bit of a shame as I would kill to go to a club where there are lots of single guys so I have people to play with, but it never seems to happen for me." You are joking serious or not? 6 guys to a couple, so when there 3 couples in there you have to cope with 18 single guys...sorry but no good club does that.. | |||
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"It never gets to 6 guys on saturday there was about there was about 12 couples and about 8 single guys and most of the clubs have a policy of at least 4 to 6 single guys per couple. Or single ladies don't forget they are some greedy girls out there "Don't know which clubs you mean but most good clubs limit the single guys even on mixed nights... Sorry but 6 guys to a couple is an immediate put off..Might work one day if there are more couples then single men but if it's 2 / 3 cpls sorry way too much... | |||
"It never gets to 6 guys on saturday there was about there was about 12 couples and about 8 single guys and most of the clubs have a policy of at least 4 to 6 single guys per couple. Or single ladies don't forget they are some greedy girls out there
Don't know which clubs you mean but most good clubs limit the single guys even on mixed nights... Sorry but 6 guys to a couple is an immediate put off..Might work one day if there are more couples then single men but if it's 2 / 3 cpls sorry way too much..."I understand what you mean, but I have to say I'd love to know how this works in practice. I've been to quite a few clubs, though at this time not Isis, and while each club may well be operating a singles to couples ratio, I've never yet been turned away from any club. I can think of quite a few when I have entered that at the time I went in there was a lot of single guys in, I suspect most clubs work on the basis of X number of couples normally turn up on a Fruday night for example so it'll balance itself out | |||
"Def not a dump and not clicky was prob needs a lick of paint but very clean and very friendly we where made to feel welcome from day 1 fab people that go in there yes a lot of people do know each other but do welcome in new people suppose if you just went in and sat in a corner and looked unapproachable then it might seam clicky" The ones in the corners looking unapproachable are the new ones to the club scene or it's there way to first try out swinging. Aproach them chat to them make them feel welcome and reassure them let them know even though your chatting there under no obligation to play. Do you remember your first time and visit??? | |||
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"Def not a dump and not clicky was prob needs a lick of paint but very clean and very friendly we where made to feel welcome from day 1 fab people that go in there yes a lot of people do know each other but do welcome in new people suppose if you just went in and sat in a corner and looked unapproachable then it might seam clicky The ones in the corners looking unapproachable are the new ones to the club scene or it's there way to first try out swinging. Aproach them chat to them make them feel welcome and reassure them let them know even though your chatting there under no obligation to play. Do you remember your first time and visit???" yes know what you meen but there is just no talking to some people we was just the same our first visit sat on our own in isis but not for long people coming over to chat and made us feel very at ease but some people act as though you should not even approched them for a chat if you know what i mean | |||
"partners cupids to name just a couple but what you have to remember is that on a night where it is mixed you will have some couples and greedy girls that like to go with several differant men in 1 night i do belive this would put some couples off if you where just wanting to meet couples but you have to cater for every one the important thing is that the guys are non pushy and dont follow you around like storkers i belive all clubs should have 1 night where it is couples only though so those that dont want to meet single guys and just couples can" Sorry that still doesn't excuse ratio 6 guys to one couple... been to Greedy nights and the clubs holding these made certain that there was still a "normal" limit... That ratio is way too much... it's our opinion and from what we have seen in clubs think most will agree on that... Especially we are talking here of a very small club with limited space and no possibilities to "run" from single guys when it gets too much... But each to their opinion | |||
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"having read this thread carefully, the 6 single guys to 1 couple is off putting to us, so next week while were in leeds we,ll just hope for some fun in our hotel!" like stated earlyer it never is like that saturday between 9 and 11.30 about 12 couples and only 8 single guys and 3 single females | |||
"having read this thread carefully, the 6 single guys to 1 couple is off putting to us, so next week while were in leeds we,ll just hope for some fun in our hotel! like stated earlyer it never is like that saturday between 9 and 11.30 about 12 couples and only 8 single guys and 3 single females" Yep, never known it to be maxed out single guy wise. 6 is the most allowed, not the least. And anyone who thinks other clubs don't have similar limits, or no limit at all, is probably being a bit niaive. The main thing that restricts single guy attendance is the admission price. But if people want to miss out on a friendly club, no skin off my nose. All the more for me!  | |||
"having read this thread carefully, the 6 single guys to 1 couple is off putting to us, so next week while were in leeds we,ll just hope for some fun in our hotel!" Check out Cocoaflex, although I don't think they limit anyone. Its a smaller venue though - more like a private party. | |||
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"having read this thread carefully, the 6 single guys to 1 couple is off putting to us, so next week while were in leeds we,ll just hope for some fun in our hotel!" even to an experience club goer as a single male, when I saw the 6 to 1 ratio, I went 
a greedy girl night I "could" just about see that... but for any other night I certainly would have my reservations about going | |||
"a greedy girl night I "could" just about see that... but for any other night I certainly would have my reservations about going" Each to their own. I actually think it's not enough. | |||
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"having read this thread carefully, the 6 single guys to 1 couple is off putting to us, so next week while were in leeds we,ll just hope for some fun in our hotel! even to an experience club goer as a single male, when I saw the 6 to 1 ratio, I went
a greedy girl night I "could" just about see that... but for any other night I certainly would have my reservations about going"So agrees with u ! Am sorry but again repeat what said other better clubs have a limit, they want to have couples and other singles back again and not "scared off" by a mass of single guys.. Understand that some are sticking up for their "club", but let's be honest 6 guys per couple is a no go ... | |||
"having read this thread carefully, the 6 single guys to 1 couple is off putting to us, so next week while were in leeds we,ll just hope for some fun in our hotel! even to an experience club goer as a single male, when I saw the 6 to 1 ratio, I went
a greedy girl night I "could" just about see that... but for any other night I certainly would have my reservations about going
So agrees with u ! Am sorry but again repeat what said other better clubs have a limit, they want to have couples and other singles back again and not "scared off" by a mass of single guys.. Understand that some are sticking up for their "club", but let's be honest 6 guys per couple is a no go ..."dont know which clubs you on about but most have a 6 limit as mentiond before and as i have said that is a maximum and never gets like that but all the clubs up north have between 4 and 6 policy they might not advertise it but they do exept on couples night etc | |||
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"Then sorry we have been to the "most" clubs in the North and the two we are thinking of keep to the policy of not too many guys especially one club we go to... We are not make this into an advert for clubs and said it's our opinion that 6 guys to 1 cpl is too much... That is our opinion and what we said... To the last bit a couples night is a couples night where no single guys are let in very simple and am not discussing that... " I was going to add that ratio that was used certainly would not apply to any of the clubs in the north east on a night other than a greedy girl night.... on mixed nights they wouldn't let anywhere near that ratio in.... and on the special party saturday nights the ratios would actually be the other way round.. | |||
"Ok if you own a swingers club and you open the doors at say 8 your first 6 customers are single guys what do you,do you turn them away hoping your next 6 customers are couples I don't think so. I will tell you when I have gone as a single guy and there has been a few guys in Dave has told me its quiet no couples or even said not today as too many singles.Also it is a business he is running where is his income from ?" Not turning guys away, well yes they do. Letting everyone in - This is NOT what good clubs do on a mixed night. How a good club operates their policy is as follows. They will limit their numbers on their mixed night (Especially if its Saturday) to normally between 6 and 12 single men. How this is done to ensure the ratio is correct is by advanced booking. In other words, yes any single men who just turn up will be refused entry and have their money turned away. And yes this does make good business sense, because if you go to a club for the first time and your told the ratio will be good and the venue not over run with singles, and you turn up and this is not the case, then you will never go there again, its that simple. This then has a knock on effect, the more men you let in, the more over run the club is, the less couples feel comfortable, the less go. Then the single men get pissed off because they go and no one is there for them to play with, so all the intelligent single guys vote with their wallet and go somewhere else. Then anyone who actually goes to said club is pounced upon by the single membership that still goes in hope of getting a shag, those people then leave as well and you watch the club die and it has a good chance of closing down. We know what we are talking about here because several clubs have closed for exactly this reason and others have had to change their door policy in order to combat complaints they were receiving. So yes a good ratio policy makes good business sense and we would agree, unless its a greedy girls / gang bang night, which is naturally going to appeal to people who want that, then 6 to 1 is to high. Club F on Saturday and Ourplace4fun both operate mixed nights and their ratio is no where near as high as this, its more like 2 to 1. These clubs are both very sucessful and have packed out mixed Saturday nights, so you might want to ask yourself why that is the case. We have gone a little off topic here, the original post was about Isis here, but someone asked us to comment on this specific issue, so we read the discussion and did so. Isis is a friendly little club - any comparison to some of the larger venues is a little pointless, its not that type of club and couldn't hope to compete. Does this mean people won't like it? No. Does it mean its more likely to appeal to locals than those whom have been to several of the more popular venues around the country, probably as its obviously going to suffer by comparison. Is it friendly and well run, yes definately. There is a place for small well run clubs on the scene and they know best what their own local market is and that's who they have to appeal to as its going to be their primary clientle. The only real way to know if its for you is to go and check it out. And yes we have been there. | |||
"Ok if you own a swingers club and you open the doors at say 8 your first 6 customers are single guys what do you,do you turn them away hoping your next 6 customers are couples I don't think so. I will tell you when I have gone as a single guy and there has been a few guys in Dave has told me its quiet no couples or even said not today as too many singles.Also it is a business he is running where is his income from ? Not turning guys away, well yes they do. Letting everyone in - This is NOT what good clubs do on a mixed night. How a good club operates their policy is as follows. They will limit their numbers on their mixed night (Especially if its Saturday) to normally between 6 and 12 single men. How this is done to ensure the ratio is correct is by advanced booking. In other words, yes any single men who just turn up will be refused entry and have their money turned away. And yes this does make good business sense, because if you go to a club for the first time and your told the ratio will be good and the venue not over run with singles, and you turn up and this is not the case, then you will never go there again, its that simple. This then has a knock on effect, the more men you let in, the more over run the club is, the less couples feel comfortable, the less go. Then the single men get pissed off because they go and no one is there for them to play with, so all the intelligent single guys vote with their wallet and go somewhere else. Then anyone who actually goes to said club is pounced upon by the single membership that still goes in hope of getting a shag, those people then leave as well and you watch the club die and it has a good chance of closing down. We know what we are talking about here because several clubs have closed for exactly this reason and others have had to change their door policy in order to combat complaints they were receiving. So yes a good ratio policy makes good business sense and we would agree, unless its a greedy girls / gang bang night, which is naturally going to appeal to people who want that, then 6 to 1 is to high. Club F on Saturday and Ourplace4fun both operate mixed nights and their ratio is no where near as high as this, its more like 2 to 1. These clubs are both very sucessful and have packed out mixed Saturday nights, so you might want to ask yourself why that is the case. We have gone a little off topic here, the original post was about Isis here, but someone asked us to comment on this specific issue, so we read the discussion and did so. Isis is a friendly little club - any comparison to some of the larger venues is a little pointless, its not that type of club and couldn't hope to compete. Does this mean people won't like it? No. Does it mean its more likely to appeal to locals than those whom have been to several of the more popular venues around the country, probably as its obviously going to suffer by comparison. Is it friendly and well run, yes definately. There is a place for small well run clubs on the scene and they know best what their own local market is and that's who they have to appeal to as its going to be their primary clientle. The only real way to know if its for you is to go and check it out. And yes we have been there." it is a smaller place yes and because of this its very socail with a great crowd | |||
"Ok if you own a swingers club and you open the doors at say 8 your first 6 customers are single guys what do you,do you turn them away hoping your next 6 customers are couples I don't think so. I will tell you when I have gone as a single guy and there has been a few guys in Dave has told me its quiet no couples or even said not today as too many singles.Also it is a business he is running where is his income from ? Not turning guys away, well yes they do. Letting everyone in - This is NOT what good clubs do on a mixed night. How a good club operates their policy is as follows. They will limit their numbers on their mixed night (Especially if its Saturday) to normally between 6 and 12 single men. How this is done to ensure the ratio is correct is by advanced booking. In other words, yes any single men who just turn up will be refused entry and have their money turned away. And yes this does make good business sense, because if you go to a club for the first time and your told the ratio will be good and the venue not over run with singles, and you turn up and this is not the case, then you will never go there again, its that simple. This then has a knock on effect, the more men you let in, the more over run the club is, the less couples feel comfortable, the less go. Then the single men get pissed off because they go and no one is there for them to play with, so all the intelligent single guys vote with their wallet and go somewhere else. Then anyone who actually goes to said club is pounced upon by the single membership that still goes in hope of getting a shag, those people then leave as well and you watch the club die and it has a good chance of closing down. We know what we are talking about here because several clubs have closed for exactly this reason and others have had to change their door policy in order to combat complaints they were receiving. So yes a good ratio policy makes good business sense and we would agree, unless its a greedy girls / gang bang night, which is naturally going to appeal to people who want that, then 6 to 1 is to high. Club F on Saturday and Ourplace4fun both operate mixed nights and their ratio is no where near as high as this, its more like 2 to 1. These clubs are both very sucessful and have packed out mixed Saturday nights, so you might want to ask yourself why that is the case. We have gone a little off topic here, the original post was about Isis here, but someone asked us to comment on this specific issue, so we read the discussion and did so. Isis is a friendly little club - any comparison to some of the larger venues is a little pointless, its not that type of club and couldn't hope to compete. Does this mean people won't like it? No. Does it mean its more likely to appeal to locals than those whom have been to several of the more popular venues around the country, probably as its obviously going to suffer by comparison. Is it friendly and well run, yes definately. There is a place for small well run clubs on the scene and they know best what their own local market is and that's who they have to appeal to as its going to be their primary clientle. The only real way to know if its for you is to go and check it out. And yes we have been there." That's a very interesting outline of how clubs run. Thinking in terms of all the clubs in and around Manchester, Townhouse on Wirral, Atlantis in Stoke and Chams and Xtasia around Birmingham, none of what you have stated seems to apply with the sole exception of Townhouse which does exactly what you state, infact they go a step further I believe in that a single guy needs to have attended for several weeks during the week before they are allowed to attend on a Friday/Saturday night. Xtasia/Chams & Atlants all operate couples only on Sat nights therefore completely stopping single males entering and to my knowledge Partners/Cupids/Adam & Eves/Liaisons all allow any male who turns up and pays his money on the night to gain admittance, with the exception of the couples nights some of the clubs run during the week. The No 3 club in Chorley I am unsure of what there policy is. Sorry this has drifted off Isis but it is relevant to the quoted post. | |||
" That's a very interesting outline of how clubs run. Thinking in terms of all the clubs in and around Manchester, Townhouse on Wirral, Atlantis in Stoke and Chams and Xtasia around Birmingham, none of what you have stated seems to apply with the sole exception of Townhouse which does exactly what you state, infact they go a step further I believe in that a single guy needs to have attended for several weeks during the week before they are allowed to attend on a Friday/Saturday night. " going to drift back off isis for two seconds.. lol the way that club F do it is almost the same then as the Townhouse were as a single guy you have to attend a few times on a wed/fri night before they will even suggest you try a saturday night, and even then the thing they say is that it is a completely different night.... i am going to try isis at some point, but the ratio's thing has really made me think twice about whether it is going to be for me.. so you could say that it has put it further on the backburner.... | |||
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"Ok if you own a swingers club and you open the doors at say 8 your first 6 customers are single guys what do you,do you turn them away hoping your next 6 customers are couples I don't think so. I will tell you when I have gone as a single guy and there has been a few guys in Dave has told me its quiet no couples or even said not today as too many singles.Also it is a business he is running where is his income from ? Not turning guys away, well yes they do. Letting everyone in - This is NOT what good clubs do on a mixed night. How a good club operates their policy is as follows. They will limit their numbers on their mixed night (Especially if its Saturday) to normally between 6 and 12 single men. How this is done to ensure the ratio is correct is by advanced booking. In other words, yes any single men who just turn up will be refused entry and have their money turned away. And yes this does make good business sense, because if you go to a club for the first time and your told the ratio will be good and the venue not over run with singles, and you turn up and this is not the case, then you will never go there again, its that simple. This then has a knock on effect, the more men you let in, the more over run the club is, the less couples feel comfortable, the less go. Then the single men get pissed off because they go and no one is there for them to play with, so all the intelligent single guys vote with their wallet and go somewhere else. Then anyone who actually goes to said club is pounced upon by the single membership that still goes in hope of getting a shag, those people then leave as well and you watch the club die and it has a good chance of closing down. We know what we are talking about here because several clubs have closed for exactly this reason and others have had to change their door policy in order to combat complaints they were receiving. So yes a good ratio policy makes good business sense and we would agree, unless its a greedy girls / gang bang night, which is naturally going to appeal to people who want that, then 6 to 1 is to high. Club F on Saturday and Ourplace4fun both operate mixed nights and their ratio is no where near as high as this, its more like 2 to 1. These clubs are both very sucessful and have packed out mixed Saturday nights, so you might want to ask yourself why that is the case. We have gone a little off topic here, the original post was about Isis here, but someone asked us to comment on this specific issue, so we read the discussion and did so. Isis is a friendly little club - any comparison to some of the larger venues is a little pointless, its not that type of club and couldn't hope to compete. Does this mean people won't like it? No. Does it mean its more likely to appeal to locals than those whom have been to several of the more popular venues around the country, probably as its obviously going to suffer by comparison. Is it friendly and well run, yes definately. There is a place for small well run clubs on the scene and they know best what their own local market is and that's who they have to appeal to as its going to be their primary clientle. The only real way to know if its for you is to go and check it out. And yes we have been there. That's a very interesting outline of how clubs run. Thinking in terms of all the clubs in and around Manchester, Townhouse on Wirral, Atlantis in Stoke and Chams and Xtasia around Birmingham, none of what you have stated seems to apply with the sole exception of Townhouse which does exactly what you state, infact they go a step further I believe in that a single guy needs to have attended for several weeks during the week before they are allowed to attend on a Friday/Saturday night. Xtasia/Chams & Atlants all operate couples only on Sat nights therefore completely stopping single males entering and to my knowledge Partners/Cupids/Adam & Eves/Liaisons all allow any male who turns up and pays his money on the night to gain admittance, with the exception of the couples nights some of the clubs run during the week. The No 3 club in Chorley I am unsure of what there policy is. Sorry this has drifted off Isis but it is relevant to the quoted post." Think before people start writing things it should be researched or even visited. Partners has for single guys a membership requirement and that membership is revoked, if there is trouble caused and a ban is placed for life.. no single guys are allowed in on Thursdays and Sundays....on Saturdays its' a maximum of 30 single guys and then it's " a sorry we are full policy" ... The whole issue of our reply, was the 6 to 1 ratio... and our reply was a personal feeling, that is a big put off.. Just think you a couple and there are 6 guys standing around you.. a put off for most couples and as one reply pointed out; then the single guys are put off as they don't get anything either... It is different if it is a greedy night, but then most clubs post these on events and other requirements count for that specific night... | |||
"Just to clarify, this was a comment on clubs who specifically run a MIXED NIGHT ON SATURDAYS sucessfully and is completely accurate in that context. We are well aware of the clubs who runs Couples Only nights on Saturdays and those that do not and have been to all the clubs you have mentioned. I think you misinterpreted our post slightly, we were only talking about the clubs that run MIXED nights on a SATURDAY and how those that do it, do it sucessfully and still appeal to couples to go, those same couples still wouldn't go to the club on say a Friday where the ratio is not so controlled (Which its not, both again at Ourplace4fun and Club F to keep in context of the examples we used) The reason we didn't mention Partners, Liasons, Cupids and Adam and Eves is for the reason you stated, that their policy is different, they allow which ever members to turn up, though some venues have a policy where new members must come in during the week first before they are allowed on Saturdays. (Cupids does this to now I seem to recall) Common complaints of all of the above clubs from numerous people, including the people on our team who went to review them was the 'Wolf Pack mentality' of men following them around constantly, limited if any conversation ability and men constantly approaching the female as soon as the male went to the loo or bar. That doesn't mean that those venues didn't have their good points, but the only one that rates over 3 stars for us is Cupids. With the exception of Cupids, the other three venues all have their business way down from what it was several years ago and are struggling for numbers (Not unique to them) there are a variety of reasons for this not least of which is the current financial climate, but another is people gravitate towards the club that they feel they will get the most sucessful night from. Regulars at all of the above venues have stated that numbers are down, but those three they are way down. If the ultimate question here is does an open door policy for singles on a club make good sense the answer is no, does it make sense to offer different members the different things they want on different nights, of course because everyone is looking for something different. Does a bad door policy effect the business and reputation of your club, yes it does. Does the door policy mould the type of clientle that are going to come there, absolutely. As do the facilities on offer. We were at CHAMS very recently over a long weekend, we've been before many times and it was the quietest Sunday we have ever seen there and people remarked that now apart from Fridays and Saturdays and bank holiday Sundays, the numbers were a shadow of their formerselves, yet Chams has a waiting list of over 100 single men waiting to join. Why? Because its good practise. You let them all join tomorrow, you might benifit from the income in the short term, but you will loose it in the long term. Once people have decided a club is not for them, they rarely if ever go back. Chams knows this, so do other good clubs. So you appeal to the widest selection of people possible, knowing your local market and catchment area, and within the limits of the facilities you have to offer and target accordingly, you look after your members, rewards your regulars and make sure new patrons do not put off or tarnish your exsisting customer base, you keep reinventing and re-investing - that is how (good) clubs are run. Just to add to this; am sorry but don't want to get into "who is best"; but Partners has no problems with people coming in on Thursdays/Saturdays or Sundays nights (example last Sunday 20 couples and 2 single girls)... The others are not in the same league due to negation and lack of facilities. On Cupids can not comment as they are renovating the whole club, but due to past experience will not go because to the wolf pack hounding us in there... " | |||
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