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Are swingers the next group ripe for discrimination? Part. II

By *ity Slickers Parties OP Couple (MM) over a year ago

Milan, Italy

I took the liberty to start another thread of my previous Post https://www.fabswingers.com/forum/clubs/510235 as I thought it was getting interesting and I do welcome your comment and criticisms whether positive or negative they are all equally constructive.

I noticed that things were getting muddled up yet again as is normal doing in every other topic in the Forum. There were a few interesting and well distinguished subjects that were purposely diluting the discussion but nevertheless equally interesting.

The closure of Swingers Clubs is due to the fact that in fairness most councils would not have a clue nor would they be able to advice on what kind of licence is required for a “consensual adult sex club” as indeed there isn't any licence which could be even close to such activities taking place and the word “sex” is often best left to interpretation in order to avoid confrontation in particular from the local residents which may have a say against such activities taking place in the proximity or their neighbourhood.

Some Licencing Authorities would classify any type of sex activities in premises to be regulated under the “Sex Entertainment Licence” as required for table dancing clubs which is totally inappropriate (as far as I am concerned) as in the swinging scene there is no such a “performance” to an “audience” but are in fact those members themselves who have the opportunity if they so choose, to engage in consensual sex activities with other patrons and therefore ‘they’ themselves create their own entertainment by mutual participation.

There is no such a thing as a “Swinger Licence” and most Clubs are trading under cover, which means till it suits the Council but they can face closure also when it no longer suits the Council because nothing sexual can be put in writing in black and white. Some premises in London now have a clause on their contract that “No Nakedness is Allowed in the Premises” (yes really) would you believe that?

I feel in my opinion (but this is only my personal opinion) that Swingers are discriminated by the society yet they are doing nothing wrong, but like any other ‘Sexual Minority’ need a place to socialise and meet with other like-minded people. For example, the Gay Scene would get away with much more simply because any injustice would be fought (and quite rightly so) by going in groups shouting perhaps even in Trafalgar Square. Swinger won’t do that… I am not saying they should! I am simply saying because we are a much more peaceful society and do not like to tell other people what we are up to sexually we are indirectly discriminated. But this is my opinion and the main reason I started this topic was to see what your thoughts were.

The discussion was later muddled up but in my opinion, we should all feel privileged that Fabswingers is bringing like-minded people together and in CLUB listing there is a vast choice of Clubs to suit each one of us for which we can enjoy our freedom to go where we most feel comfortable! How lovely is that? If every club was the same... how boring this life would be?

Private Members Clubs are not simply opened to the public, but new Club members have to go through a selection criteria prior to being privately elected to membership by committee of its members under the club rules and City Slickers Parties is not an exception!

There are differences between clubs and private clubs with regard to binding laws, although a lot of them are common. If a club genuinely selects its members on personal grounds (rather than, for example accepting anyone who will pay a fee) it is a Private Members’ Club.

Because by Section 29 of the Sex Discrimination Act 1975 (SDA) sex discrimination against a person seeking to obtain or use goods, facilities or services (which expressly includes facilities for entertainment, recreation or refreshment) is rendered unlawful only if goods, facilities or services concerned are made available to the public or a sector of the public. By its very nature a Private Members’ Club does not offer goods, facilities or service to the public or any section of the public but only to club members who are privately elected to membership by a management of the club or a committee of its members under the club rules.

Private Members’ Clubs have been found by the courts not to come within the scope of s.29 because they are providing their facilities and services to their own private members, not to the public. The SDA as interpreted to date allows such clubs to discriminate against members in the facilities they offer because the discrimination has occurred in a “private” sphere.

It goes without saying that people who take good care of themselves widen their possibilities (at leas in a sex website) for a wider choice of like-minded people to have sex with, while those who do not take care of themselves seem to have the hump because they get more rejections than others… well if that is your case DO something about it to improve your chances as you only have one life! You could start reducing your calories intake and join a Gym to burn more calories… Don’t take it with us who are simply providing a service for those who in fact wish to be vetted to join our Parties to mingle with other similar like-minded people who in fact gain pleasure from taking reasonably good care of themselves!!!

City Slickers Parties is for those people who take reasonably good care of themselves and that do not like to go in clubs where most people are allowed to come so why not give such people a choice? Are these people not free like yourself to choose where they want to go?

You cannot choose the colour of your skin, your sexual orientation or the country in which you are borne that can have an impact on your religious upbringing BUT you can choose whether you like to take good care of yourself or not!

I believe this summarise the previous threads and I thank you for your participation

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By *orthwest_cplCouple over a year ago

Stretford

"You cannot choose the colour of your skin, your sexual orientation or the country in which you are borne that can have an impact on your religious upbringing BUT you can choose whether you like to take good care of yourself or not!"

Well said. Since we can't choose what age we are or facial features we have can I assume that in the spirit of non-discrimination the gym-fit over 60s and uglies of this world will be acceptable at your events?

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By *awandOrderCouple over a year ago

SW London

Is going to the gym now the definition of taking care of yourself now? Interesting one and very judgemental opinion ....

Who knows who has the most rejections and why? I think if you look at say, the number of meets different people have, many of don't go to the gym do actually get a lot of meets and many who do go don't actually get many meets ....

Why not just hold your events at the gym?

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By *ity Slickers Parties OP Couple (MM) over a year ago

Milan, Italy

That depends on how you look from a recent clear face and full body picture as we do not ask for any forms of ID so your age can remain hidden. All what you can do is apply for membership.

PLEASE NOTE: Sex clubs, also known as swingers clubs or lifestyle clubs, are formal or informal groups that organise sex-related activities or establishments where patrons can engage in sex acts with other patrons, but such patrons need to find you sexually attractive in order to have a successful Party! A sex club or swinger club differs from a brothel in that, while sex club patrons typically pay an annual membership and nightly entrance fee, they only have an opportunity to have consensual sex with other willing patrons!!! and not with sex workers employed by the establishment.

Could we please now give space to those who find this discussion more interesting?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Private Members’ Clubs have been found by the courts not to come within the scope of s.29 because they are providing their facilities and services to their own private members, not to the public. The SDA as interpreted to date allows such clubs to discriminate against members in the facilities they offer because the discrimination has occurred in a “private” sphere."

Ah, so just because the Law does not find your discriminatory behaviour to be illegal, that means the rest of us should all just role over and put up with it?

Because you're a 'Private Members Club,' that means we should allow you to get away with bullying and ridiculing those of a certain age, or those who you deem to be 'inferior' in terms of looks, intellect, profession or financial situation?

Sorry, not going to happen. Regardless of whether or not you're 'legally' discriminating against people, I still think you're a bunch of superficial, narrow-minded, arrogant pricks.

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By *ity Slickers Parties OP Couple (MM) over a year ago

Milan, Italy

"Is going to the gym now the definition of taking care of yourself now? Interesting one and very judgemental opinion ....

Why not just hold your events at the gym?"

I host my events where I like... like you are free do choose what you like! What has it got to do with you? Do you luck of places to go to? Are we the only establishment to host sex parties?

Do you not think this is exactly the narrow minded mentality of non swingers people that judge swingers? Swingers should have the freedom to meet in private establishments, discreetly, in absolute privacy to get mutually involved in consensual adult activities... nobody gets hurt... what has it got to do with the rest of the world?

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By *awandOrderCouple over a year ago

SW London

That depends on how you look from a recent clear face and full body picture as we do not ask for any forms of ID so your age can remain hidden. All what you can do is apply for membership.

Could we please now give space to those who find this discussion more interesting?"

The thing is you told people on the other thread to shut up too ... but it doesn't work like that on here. This isn't your club where you can decide who gets to contribute, everyone's opinion can be aired here and has the potential to hold as much value .... I know its a weird concept, but it may catch on.

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By *orthwest_cplCouple over a year ago

Stretford

"Could we please now give space to those who find this discussion more interesting?"

Sorry sir, I'll make way for more worthy people, but I do reserve the right to challenge any more of your self-serving bollocks if I so wish.

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By *ity Slickers Parties OP Couple (MM) over a year ago

Milan, Italy

"Could we please now give space to those who find this discussion more interesting?

Sorry sir, I'll make way for more worthy people, but I do reserve the right to challenge any more of your self-serving bollocks if I so wish."

Than go to a brothel in there there is no need to provide a clear face and full body picture!

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By *awandOrderCouple over a year ago

SW London

"Could we please now give space to those who find this discussion more interesting?

Sorry sir, I'll make way for more worthy people, but I do reserve the right to challenge any more of your self-serving bollocks if I so wish.

Than go to a brothel in there there is no need to provide a clear face and full body picture!"

Lots of other clubs don't expect this either ... are you going to slate them off too?

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By *atEvolutionCouple over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke.

As a club owner.

Most of what you say is 'wrong. Not a slight at you, just a factual observation.

There is no surprise for me that you were closed down.

Sorry.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Swingers should have the freedom to meet in private establishments, discreetly, in absolute privacy to get mutually involved in consensual adult activities."

To the OP: Swingers should also have the right to patronise a venue without being told that they are 'too old,' 'too fat,' 'too poorly educated' or 'too low class' to enter.

But of course, your heads are that far up your own backsides, you don't notice that you're merely surrounding yourselves with toadying cronies...

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By *awandOrderCouple over a year ago

SW London

""Swingers should have the freedom to meet in private establishments, discreetly, in absolute privacy to get mutually involved in consensual adult activities."

To the OP: Swingers should also have the right to patronise a venue without being told that they are 'too old,' 'too fat,' 'too poorly educated' or 'too low class' to enter.

But of course, your heads are that far up your own backsides, you don't notice that you're merely surrounding yourselves with toadying cronies..."

And taking their money for the privilege ....

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By *orthwest_cplCouple over a year ago

Stretford

"Could we please now give space to those who find this discussion more interesting?

Sorry sir, I'll make way for more worthy people, but I do reserve the right to challenge any more of your self-serving bollocks if I so wish.

Than go to a brothel in there there is no need to provide a clear face and full body picture!"

Have you had lessons in being offensive or does it come naturally?

Up to now I seem to manage quite successfully without either brothels or providing a clear face and full body picture!

Your problem appears to be that you are trying to run an event outside of the law and are whinging that you got caught and claiming you are discriminated against. There are clubs in this country that have been operating in the same premises for well over 20 years but they do so legally and don't seem to suffer the same discrimination that you suffer. Strange world.

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By *ity Slickers Parties OP Couple (MM) over a year ago

Milan, Italy

"As a club owner.

Most of what you say is 'wrong. Not a slight at you, just a factual observation.

There is no surprise for me that you were closed down.

Sorry.

And which exactly are you referring to?

We were not closed down, we were asked to withdraw our application which we did because I like to leave a peaceful life

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By *atEvolutionCouple over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke.

We were not closed down, we were asked to withdraw our application which we did because I like to leave a peaceful life

You began yesterday with . . .

'We had our swingers club in Greenwich shut down for operating without a business license.'

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Your problem appears to be that you are trying to run an event outside of the law and are whinging that you got caught and claiming you are discriminated against. There are clubs in this country that have been operating in the same premises for well over 20 years but they do so legally and don't seem to suffer the same discrimination that you suffer. Strange world."

Technically, they're correct in saying that their discriminatory policies are within the Law - Private Members Clubs are exempt, like the Church, from the SDA.

However, that doesn't mean that said policies don't make them appear complete and utter arseholes of the highest calibre.

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By *parkybunnyCouple over a year ago

Zurich. NOT London.

We had our swingers club in Greenwich shut down for operating without a business license. As a private organization, the club was not breaking any rules, but because it accepted donations, the Licencing Department of the Royal Borough of Greenwich was arguing that it was technically a business even though having acquired a Personal Alcohol Licence and DPS we were entitled to a 21 days a year of TEN’s (Temporary Entertainment Notice) by Law!!!

So, did you have a club or not?

Having been to your parties, The donation bit, as far as I'm aware a donation is a non compulsory contribution, unless in your case its a compulsory fee for attending? So, can you please clarify?

If you take money to organise parties, sorry, it's a business, this I believe is compounded by your user name perhaps?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

As a marketing technique, your rude, smug and frankly hypocritical attitude is an interesting one OP.

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

again... you wrap your whine around a cause that you think suits the narrative....

the narrative is that you hold parties in different venues... you are not a club,

you tried to use and circumvent the rules.... the council said no.... you whine....

the good clubs work with councils.... firstly to make sure what they have planned is viable and correct in order

you put the cart before the horse....

those clubs that work with councils have their houses in order before announcing events, and not announcing events and then daring the council to go against you.....

I don't give a rats about your pretty people policies.... and ironically you have "rules" that you adhere to in your clientele... just like the council have their "rules" in what they constitute to be a business and what things they have to do.....

you didn't get your way.... the dummy was spat out... you decided to put a group that have really struggled in their time to try and gain sympathy/save face....

actually you are doing them and what they have gone thru a huge disservice.... its actually quite sad

fight the power/keep the struggle alive my arse!!!!! you'd drop it tomorrow if you got what you you wanted.....

there was never any peep from you when you were hunky dory running your parties... 1 verdict against you and now you are both latter day MLK's....

like i said... huge disservice....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

All this could be avoided by just having regular private parties in a hired venue. Just don't call it a club.

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By *atEvolutionCouple over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke.

"again... you wrap your whine around a cause that you think suits the narrative....

the narrative is that you hold parties in different venues... you are not a club,

you tried to use and circumvent the rules.... the council said no.... you whine....

the good clubs work with councils.... firstly to make sure what they have planned is viable and correct in order

you put the cart before the horse....

those clubs that work with councils have their houses in order before announcing events, and not announcing events and then daring the council to go against you.....

you didn't get your way.... the dummy was spat out... you decided to put a group that have really struggled in their time to try and gain sympathy/save face....

actually you are doing them and what they have gone thru a huge disservice.... its actually quite sad

fight the power/keep the struggle alive my arse!!!!! you'd drop it tomorrow if you got what you you wanted.....

there was never any peep from you when you were hunky dory running your parties... 1 verdict against you and now you are both latter day MLK's....

like i said... huge disservice...."

This.

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By *ity Slickers Parties OP Couple (MM) over a year ago

Milan, Italy

We were not closed down, we were asked to withdraw our application which we did because I like to leave a peaceful life

You began yesterday with . . .

'We had our swingers club in Greenwich shut down for operating without a business license.'

Well yes true, asking to withdraw an application or ignoring and fighting a legal game or being shut Down is more of less the same.

We were advice from licensing advisers that has we pretended it to be a Gay club (basically telling a lie) they would have kept it quiet hence why I thought to share my experience.

We do host parties periodically here and there we have been doing so for the past 7 years so we must be doing something right.

We would love to do a quality club in London we are aware it is possible in a suburb industrial estate but would like to invest a considerable amount of money to bring some class to the scene.

It's so complicated in London with new regulations i.e. 'no nakedness in premises' and so on to indirectly stop sex parties this is a fact.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Do I think swingers are discriminated against?

No.

Do I think your posts have put us off attending?

Yes and the reasons are twofold. Firstly I'd be concerned that there would be a lack of legal, licence, h&s, fire or some other bureaucratic requirement missed ending up in a raid/cancellation/accident. Secondly I find your attitudes, particularly towards TV bigoted.

We are not overly adverse to your vetting system. In the same way we aren't adverse to BBW admirers events or BMFC. I understand the others remain open to those outside that group which you don't appear to, but that doesn't offend me. However I've never read such a derogatory description of TV posted on here by a club or party owner.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Do I think swingers are discriminated against?

No.

Do I think your posts have put us off attending?

In other words, their Transphobia is the sole reason for your objection...

Not their demeaning and degrading treatment of swingers who are of a certain age, body shape, intellect, educational level or class...

So only some forms of bigotry are objectionable?

Is that right?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Secondly I find your attitudes, particularly towards TV bigoted...I've never read such a derogatory description of TV posted on here by a club or party owner."

Am I saying that you're wrong to criticise City Slickers for their having exhibited transphobia?

Am I saying that you're wrong to criticise their Transphobia while giving a 'Free Pass' to the rest of their bigoted, discriminatory behaviour?

Yes

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By *inaTitzTV/TS over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

"again... you wrap your whine around a cause that you think suits the narrative....

the narrative is that you hold parties in different venues... you are not a club,

you tried to use and circumvent the rules.... the council said no.... you whine....

the good clubs work with councils.... firstly to make sure what they have planned is viable and correct in order

you put the cart before the horse....

those clubs that work with councils have their houses in order before announcing events, and not announcing events and then daring the council to go against you.....

you didn't get your way.... the dummy was spat out... you decided to put a group that have really struggled in their time to try and gain sympathy/save face....

actually you are doing them and what they have gone thru a huge disservice.... its actually quite sad

fight the power/keep the struggle alive my arse!!!!! you'd drop it tomorrow if you got what you you wanted.....

there was never any peep from you when you were hunky dory running your parties... 1 verdict against you and now you are both latter day MLK's....

like i said... huge disservice....

This. "

This

It's sour grapes when your attempt at evading local regulations came unstuck and then a failed attempt at trying to make it an attack on all swingers. All you are doing is digging a deeper hole every time you post. Your rivals can't buy advertising like this.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So I take it you will not be throwing any Bbw party's anytime soon

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By *eavenNhellCouple over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge

"I took the liberty to start another thread of my previous Post https://www.fabswingers.com/forum/clubs/510235 as I thought it was getting interesting and I do welcome your comment and criticisms whether positive or negative they are all equally constructive.

I believe this summarise the previous threads and I thank you for your participation

"
thank you for that mr Ratner sure sales will improve after that

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Do I think swingers are discriminated against?

No.

Do I think your posts have put us off attending?

In other words, their Transphobia is the sole reason for your objection...

Not their demeaning and degrading treatment of swingers who are of a certain age, body shape, intellect, educational level or class...

So only some forms of bigotry are objectionable?

Is that right?

Since you decided you would message me privately and on the forum I guess I should also respond on both.

No I did not say anything you inferred from my post. I said I am "not overly adverse" by them having a vetting procedure. I did NOT say I was in agreement with it.

If you want to turn your dislike for their policy at someone, try the ones who made or agree with it.

On a sliding scale of what offends me, a business that searches for people who can choose to undergo vetting process doesn't offend me (not saying I agree with it but it doesn't offend me). However, a business that states on an open forum:

"Old Lady (who should have gone in pension a long time ago and given her place to some younger jobless person and who was evident she had never had a good f**k in her life!)"

"With regards to TV as our Community encourage people to take good care of themselves we think that a Man who wears a wig and uses the make up as a clown is is not appropriate for the quality of our parties"

Both quotes I find to be bigoted and on those ground I do find the OP offensive.

As I said in my first post I found the OP bigoted "particularly" not "solely" for the TV comment. If others are offended on other grounds then that is their look out.

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By *yrdwomanWoman over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

Oh I would love to know how I could become younger to be acceptable. Not as 'easy' as losing weight unfortunately.

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By *awandOrderCouple over a year ago

SW London

Suffice to say it seems that sections of the swinging community are indeed being discriminated against, not only in terms of entrance to certain 'parties' but also in terms of rude and derogatory comments on here. OP, you have your answer.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Playing devils advocate.....

We can go to under 40's nights! Young nights! Etc etc

We once walked into a BBW night and a well known lady who helps out at a club said, what the fuck is she doing here!

We are not welcome at BBW nights, even though we don't discriminate on size

Discrimination swings both ways.......

No one consider nights for younger swingers/BBW nights etc etc as discrimination!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Playing devils advocate.....

We can go to under 40's nights! Young nights! Etc etc

We once walked into a BBW night and a well known lady who helps out at a club said, what the fuck is she doing here!

We are not welcome at BBW nights, even though we don't discriminate on size

Discrimination swings both ways.......

No one consider nights for younger swingers/BBW nights etc etc as discrimination! "

In the same way that most people don't look upon 'Ladies Nights' at bars and nightclubs as illegal, even though they've been ruled as such by the EHRC...

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By *awandOrderCouple over a year ago

SW London

"Playing devils advocate.....

We can go to under 40's nights! Young nights! Etc etc

We once walked into a BBW night and a well known lady who helps out at a club said, what the fuck is she doing here!

We are not welcome at BBW nights, even though we don't discriminate on size

Discrimination swings both ways.......

No one consider nights for younger swingers/BBW nights etc etc as discrimination! "

Not sure I have ever seen this happen, but then again I dont go to BBW nights, but this is one night as opposed to the whole ethos of the club. We do see discrimination against bi men, male bi play loads of the time .... these nights are marginalised because they aren't big earners maybe .... but hardly a life or death discrimination in the grand scheme of things ... although its a bit of a pain, its never annoying to the point where Mr feels he is being judged by the club itself

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

From your profile OP:-

"only the best looking and sexiest are invited to become “Knights of the Round Bed” and "The clientèle are high-end, good-looking City-boy types". I find these quotes quite ironic given the pictures in your profile of the gentleman in the red military type jacket to be far from "best looking" or "good-looking", you may wish to rethink your selection process.

Yes I'm fat, I am, however, an intelligent female who works in a professional position for a very high end company, and unlike many of the pretty faced bimbos you're likely to admit to your club, I have a personality and can hold an intelligent conversation.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

And loads of people discriminate on there profiles!

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By *weetdreamMan over a year ago

London

I have already written that swingers, as a sexual minority, with no political power at all, are actually discriminated in The British society.

I would like now to talk about the party organisers' choice to have only sexy people at their party. I absolutely agree with that. They only have the courage to admit it pubblicly. BBWs or people who don't take care of themselves can simply go to other parties.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I would like now to talk about the party organisers' choice to have only sexy people at their party. I absolutely agree with that. They only have the courage to admit it pubblicly. BBWs or people who don't take care of themselves can simply go to other parties."

Excuse me? The organisers do not 'choose to have only sexy people at their party'; they choose to have only people who THEY consider attractive to attend their events. In other words, they admit only those who meet their pretentious beauty standards.

Sexiness is in they eye of the beholder. The organisers of City Slickers have made it clear in private correspondence that they consider me to be 'too ugly' to be invited to their events. I have numerous verifications that provide a contrary assessment of my physiognomy...

Of course the organisers can exercise 'their choice,' but that doesn't mean that they should expect to avoid being called out for acting like elitist arseholes.

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By *awandOrderCouple over a year ago

SW London

I agree with Newbie that beauty is in the eye of the beholder and more fool Anyone who takes on someone else's idea of beauty as their own in the hope that it also makes them feel better to be ushered into this so called 'elite' group. Most of us live in the real world and we know what beauty is. I do think, however, that this party organiser is deluding himself if he really believes that is all everyone aspires to be. It is a case of celebrity culture gone mad .... in the meantime, lots of us, beautiful or not, choose to have fun without feeling the need to have our egos stroked. We don't need to feel that to be anything we have to belong to such a group. You will notice in my replies I don't make any reference to my own appearance .... it's not of relevance here. For some reason, the OP seems to think this is a sign of self disgust. Hardly but it takes all sorts. Now, my own definition of 'beauty' and fun is much more likely be part of an experience at a totally different type of club .... roll on Friday evening, if I can get through the week.

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By *eccymanMan over a year ago

Gateshead

I hope the OP is aware that one day, he or his partner, will wake up, look in the mirror, and realise that one or both of them are no longer eligible for their own parties.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I hope the OP is aware that one day, he or his partner, will wake up, look in the mirror, and realise that one or both of them are no longer eligible for their own parties. "

If he's the one in the public pictures in the red jacket then that day has already arrived.

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By *eccymanMan over a year ago

Gateshead

"I hope the OP is aware that one day, he or his partner, will wake up, look in the mirror, and realise that one or both of them are no longer eligible for their own parties.

If he's the one in the public pictures in the red jacket then that day has already arrived. "

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I do think, however, that this party organiser is deluding himself if he really believes that is all everyone aspires to be. It is a case of celebrity culture gone mad .... in the meantime, lots of us, beautiful or not, choose to have fun without feeling the need to have our egos stroked. We don't need to feel that to be anything we have to belong to such a group. You will notice in my replies I don't make any reference to my own appearance"

Apologies if I sounded as if I was suggesting that people need to have their 'egos stroked' or told that they are 'beautiful' on order to have fun.

I referred to my own appearance purely to hammer home to the OP that, while they may consider me 'ugly,' their opinion is far from illustrative of the general consensus.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I hope the OP is aware that one day, he or his partner, will wake up, look in the mirror, and realise that one or both of them are no longer eligible for their own parties.

If he's the one in the public pictures in the red jacket then that day has already arrived. "

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

From a cursory reading "donations" which later turn out to be mandatory and fairly high.

It seems more likley it was closed down due to breaching more regulations and tax laws than the local mafia.

Although i have just realised where i knew the name from, of the stries are to be belived about the Male then i dont think this is a loss to the swinging comunity.

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By *ity Slickers Parties OP Couple (MM) over a year ago

Milan, Italy

Waters calmed down I would like to summarised the threads of this topic as the discussion seems to dilute in a repetitive dilemma that is becoming boring as well.

We have established that we are well entitled by law to our vetting criteria because we are not open to anybody nor we would ever like to be, so as it’s a free country you are welcome to use your freedom of speech to think that we are “a bunch of superficial, narrow-minded, arrogant pricks” nor “you have to put up with it”, however this also prove that we act ell within the law and furthermore as we are not going to change our Club rules… you either like it or lump it… as they say!

Each one of us have our own freedom of choice to select and choose the establishment we feel more comfortable with to go to, I mean, look how many clubs are listed in this website alone… what is your problem? Can you not find the right club for you? Start your own if you have an original better idea! Private Member’s Club can be established with as fewer as 25 Members and would only require a Club Premises Certificate.

I remember seeing once in Club Listings a Club specifically for BBW’s and this has now unfortunately disappeared. I feel sorry that it is no longer there (I really am) because I believe in freedom of choices, nor I will ever interfere and spoil those discussions in Forums for BBW’s because I believe we should all be allowed to have our own equal space to socialise with whom we want.

Considering the amount of single guy profiles in Fab that are moaning that they cannot pull a meet… I mean… look at me… I am single, fat & ugly, I am even bold middle aged man and yet have been hosting parties for the past 7 years and now expanding also in Playa del Ingles in Gran Canaria. If I can do that… Anybody else could do much, but much better that me! Or could they not?

Now when you have gone through that experience you will find that, true those clubs that ‘collaborate’ with councils can operate (at the discretion of the council) BUT that doesn’t mean they have a ‘Swinger Licence’ because this licence does not exist in UK! Do please ask your local Club to show one to you, next time you go there (if these should not be shown in a frame in the premises) you will see that there is no mention whatsoever that you can have sex in those premises because Swinging is not regulated in UK as it is in Holland, Germany, Sweden, Denmark, France and Spain.

My question to you (as per the original topic of this and my previous thread) do you think swingers (including all the various choices available for private clubs and establishments) are the next group ripe for discrimination?

Very often we hear that people do not want to show their face picture or prefer to remain anonymous, NOT always for personal choice BUT for fear of losing their jobs and some people have already experienced this unfair issues. Do you think this is right? What are we doing wrong? Do you not think we ought to be respected and legally protected as another ‘Sexual Minority’? Perhaps a highly sexual one but nevertheless a minority that by Law we ought to have our own private little spaces, where we can practice consensual adult sex, in our own privacy?

This is completely outside the various choices and type of parties or establishments that provides a freedom of expression and/or escapism whether they are up your street or not!

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By *orthwest_cplCouple over a year ago

Stretford

An even shorter summary is:

* Man tries to run a non-legal, pay-for party in Greenwich

* Council rightly objects and stops him

* Man tries to garner support by claiming this as a discriminatory attack on all swingers

* Many people point out his hypocrisy since he discriminates himself

* Man repeats himself at length

* The world continues to rotate as per normal

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By *inaTitzTV/TS over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

"An even shorter summary is:

* Man tries to run a non-legal, pay-for party in Greenwich

* Council rightly objects and stops him

* Man tries to garner support by claiming this as a discriminatory attack on all swingers

* Many people point out his hypocrisy since he discriminates himself

* Man repeats himself at length

* The world continues to rotate as per normal

Accurate. Could also add, man digs himself in deeper every time he posts

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Met Carlos(OP) on holiday and have to say, he doesn't come across this way face to face. I think often the written word can be someone's worst enemy.

Parties cost money to organise, so of course that money has to be collected by means of donation/admission charge, whatever you call it.

Vetting provides security and should give attendees reassurance that the organizers act responsibly and aren't just throwing the doors open to everyone, to make the most money.

It is not unusual for Clubs to have nights for different groupings within Swinging. Fun4two, for example 'suggests' that Saturday night is for a younger, and by inference, prettier crowd and that 'more mature' should attend on Sundays. More subtle but in essence the same thing that people are complaining about here.

People find a venue and host that suits them...if you don't like that person, or their rules, move on.

Haven't attended one of their events but if the plan in Gran Canaria goes ahead, I'll certainly let people know how it is organized

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Vetting provides security and should give attendees reassurance "

Given that on the first thread the OP stated "we do not require any form of ID".

What security should I get from a vetting procedure which doesn't seek to confirm the identity of the attendees?

I am not saying that without ID then a party or club is unsafe, but I am wondering how a face and body picture provided to the host would make me any more secure than those parties that don't.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

There seem to be plenty of clubs across the UK I can attend which are not in breach of local regulations. The UK does still have a peculiarly dated attitude to sex, but we can all still enjoy ourselves if we want to.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

A quote from the OP's above comment: "Considering the amount of single guy profiles in Fab that are moaning that they cannot pull a meet… I mean… look at me… I am single, fat & ugly, I am even [bald] middle aged man and yet have been hosting parties for the past 7 years and now expanding also in Playa del Ingles in Gran Canaria. If I can do that… Anybody else could do much, but much better that me! Or could they not?"

Aha! So the OP admits that, were he forced to apply his discriminatory entry criteria to himself, he would fail to qualify (due to being fat, ugly and bald.)

In other words, it seems that his so-called parties are nothing more than a contrived attempt to surround himself with 'beautiful' people at a way of bolstering his own flagging ego and paper over his sexual insecurities...

At least he admits to his steaming hypocrisy...

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By *ity Slickers Parties OP Couple (MM) over a year ago

Milan, Italy

"A quote from the OP's above comment: "Considering the amount of single guy profiles in Fab that are moaning that they cannot pull a meet… I mean… look at me… I am single, fat & ugly, I am even [bald] middle aged man and yet have been hosting parties for the past 7 years and now expanding also in Playa del Ingles in Gran Canaria. If I can do that… Anybody else could do much, but much better that me! Or could they not?"

Aha! So the OP admits that, were he forced to apply his discriminatory entry criteria to himself, he would fail to qualify (due to being fat, ugly and bald.)

At least he admits to his steaming hypocrisy...

Actually I have resisted saying this before but since you asked:

Do you realise that as I am the originator and the creator of the Brand 'City Slickers Parties' I would be the last one to leave the club?

As I have already mention above, and since you seem to have the right philosophy in running the perfect fun club... START YOUR OWN BRAND, what's your problem? Do you lack of inspirations? Call it the "Ugly Fuckers who also Welcome The Elite!" or you may want to call it "The Men with wigs and Clown Make Club fun club" but frankly I could not give a toss on what you do, but would suggest to use your time more productive on a Friday night as in Gran Canaria I certainly am having a jolly good time!!! Perhaps you could start read proofing your profile since you have so much spare time?

Also if you really want to know, those profiles that would obviously never be able to get access to City Slickers Parties and they willingly get the hump... are in fact my bets advertisement ever! You cannot imagine how many sexy and stunning couples have applied for membership the last couple of days with their saying: - Oh wow if you do not allow profiles as UGLY as that then City Slickers Parties must be the kind of parties we want to attend!!! -

Should I get offended by you? Not the slightest... you are actually giving me a favour by admitting that loosers like yourself are not allowed to join City Slickers Parties

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Aha! So the OP admits that, were he forced to apply his discriminatory entry criteria to himself, he would fail to qualify (due to being fat, ugly and bald.)

At least he admits to his steaming hypocrisy...

Actually I have resisted saying this before but since you asked:

Do you realise that as I am the originator and the creator of the Brand 'City Slickers Parties' I would be the last one to leave the club?

Should I get offended by you? Not the slightest... you are actually giving me a favour by admitting that loosers like yourself are not allowed to join City Slickers Parties

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By *0tt0nSu3Woman over a year ago

London

Aha! So the OP admits that, were he forced to apply his discriminatory entry criteria to himself, he would fail to qualify (due to being fat, ugly and bald.)

At least he admits to his steaming hypocrisy...

Actually I have resisted saying this before but since you asked:

Do you realise that as I am the originator and the creator of the Brand 'City Slickers Parties' I would be the last one to leave the club?

Should I get offended by you? Not the slightest... you are actually giving me a favour by admitting that loosers like yourself are not allowed to join City Slickers Parties

OP, I think you should step away from the keyboard.

NOW.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Shocking.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

""The Men with wigs and Clown Make Club fun club""

Oh, so you admit that your club also has a 'No Crossdressers or Transgender Persons' policy as well?

How many other forms of bigotry are you going to add to the list?

Rather reminds me of those signs you used to see on the doors of guest-houses when my grandparents were young; "no pets, no Blacks, no Irish"

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By *yrdwomanWoman over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

Aha! So the OP admits that, were he forced to apply his discriminatory entry criteria to himself, he would fail to qualify (due to being fat, ugly and bald.)

At least he admits to his steaming hypocrisy...

Actually I have resisted saying this before but since you asked:

Do you realise that as I am the originator and the creator of the Brand 'City Slickers Parties' I would be the last one to leave the club?

Should I get offended by you? Not the slightest... you are actually giving me a favour by admitting that loosers like yourself are not allowed to join City Slickers Parties

Mildly concerned that you are one of the sponsors of Swingfields. You do know that there is a very wide range of people going, not all of them fulfilling you age, body type, and attractiveness criteria?

This post is not a good advert at all.

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By *ity Slickers Parties OP Couple (MM) over a year ago

Milan, Italy

Aha! So the OP admits that, were he forced to apply his discriminatory entry criteria to himself, he would fail to qualify (due to being fat, ugly and bald.)

At least he admits to his steaming hypocrisy...

Actually I have resisted saying this before but since you asked:

Do you realise that as I am the originator and the creator of the Brand 'City Slickers Parties' I would be the last one to leave the club?

Should I get offended by you? Not the slightest... you are actually giving me a favour by admitting that loosers like yourself are not allowed to join City Slickers Parties

This post is not a good advert at all."

Yes I support other Swingers Organisations because I understand the hard work that goes behind in organising an event and they need money to make it a success and to make a statement in the society that Swingers should be respected as another 'Sexual Minority' in fact a highly sexual one but that is no harming anyone who is not a swinger and/or who does not share the same opinion with Swingers in general.

That does not mean that there should not be alternative types or groups to cater Adult Entertainment for each individual taste?

Surely people are free to make their own mind and choose were to go to spend a night our or where not to go! We provide a choice and we are entitle to

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By *yrdwomanWoman over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

"Surely people are free to make their own mind and choose were to go to spend a night our or where not to go! We provide a choice and we are entitle to

Everyone is entitled to choose who they find attractive, but calling the ones you don't think are 'losers', 'ugly', and 'clowns' might not have the result you're hoping for.

I assume your tent will be out of bounds for most of the attendees that weekend.

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By *ity Slickers Parties OP Couple (MM) over a year ago

Milan, Italy

"Surely people are free to make their own mind and choose were to go to spend a night our or where not to go! We provide a choice and we are entitle to

Everyone is entitled to choose who they find attractive, but calling the ones you don't think are 'losers', 'ugly', and 'clowns' might not have the result you're hoping for.

I assume your tent will be out of bounds for most of the attendees that weekend."

Look I can only apologise if my Italian behaviour at times takes the worse of me, but if I am trying to make a statement that swingers in uk cannot admit in public that they enjoy sex and that is nobody's business because we are harming nobody for fear of loosing their job! I subsequently am being attact for providing a choice in the scene for those who DO NOT wish to go in establishments where anybody is welcome!

What can I say? Are these people not allowed to have their own space too? And if in a swinger site people are so narrow minded, how are we going to change things in uk and be more legally protected as the Gay Scene has earned their own legal battle?

EACH Club and/or Party organization need your support!

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By *yrdwomanWoman over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

"Surely people are free to make their own mind and choose were to go to spend a night our or where not to go! We provide a choice and we are entitle to

Everyone is entitled to choose who they find attractive, but calling the ones you don't think are 'losers', 'ugly', and 'clowns' might not have the result you're hoping for.

I assume your tent will be out of bounds for most of the attendees that weekend.

EACH Club and/or Party organization need your support!"

Some swingers are discriminated against, sure, but that's because of the public perception of sex as a dirty pastime, something that's been the case since the Catholic Church got its toe in the door.

My problem is that you are the newest sponsor of a festival where people go to avoid judgement on their lifestyle, but you are the one judging them for their age, size, and attractiveness. If you don't see the problem with your attitude when you are trying to bring an important issue to the fore then I am surprised. Discrimination cannot be fought by discriminating against the people you are allegedly fighting for more!

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By *ity Slickers Parties OP Couple (MM) over a year ago

Milan, Italy

"Surely people are free to make their own mind and choose were to go to spend a night our or where not to go! We provide a choice and we are entitle to

Everyone is entitled to choose who they find attractive, but calling the ones you don't think are 'losers', 'ugly', and 'clowns' might not have the result you're hoping for.

I assume your tent will be out of bounds for most of the attendees that weekend.

EACH Club and/or Party organization need your support!

Some swingers are discriminated against, sure, but that's because of the public perception of sex as a dirty pastime, something that's been the case since the Catholic Church got its toe in the door.

I could not agree with you more, in fact I would never dare to partecipate in the forum to ridicule other different groups simply because I do not agree with them, but as you can see it is those who do not agree with what I do that are attacking me and therefore as the OP of my own topic I defend myself because I am passionate on what I do and I believe on what I do.

Some of us are true swingers other may be here to taste the waters or for their own selfish purpouse we all live and learn...

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By *yrdwomanWoman over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

"Surely people are free to make their own mind and choose were to go to spend a night our or where not to go! We provide a choice and we are entitle to

Everyone is entitled to choose who they find attractive, but calling the ones you don't think are 'losers', 'ugly', and 'clowns' might not have the result you're hoping for.

I assume your tent will be out of bounds for most of the attendees that weekend.

EACH Club and/or Party organization need your support!

Some swingers are discriminated against, sure, but that's because of the public perception of sex as a dirty pastime, something that's been the case since the Catholic Church got its toe in the door.

Some of us are true swingers other may be here to taste the waters or for their own selfish purpouse we all live and learn... "

I fear you've missed my point, and the point of the majority of posters on this and your previous post.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.....

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By *ity Slickers Parties OP Couple (MM) over a year ago

Milan, Italy

"Surely people are free to make their own mind and choose were to go to spend a night our or where not to go! We provide a choice and we are entitle to

Everyone is entitled to choose who they find attractive, but calling the ones you don't think are 'losers', 'ugly', and 'clowns' might not have the result you're hoping for.

I assume your tent will be out of bounds for most of the attendees that weekend.

EACH Club and/or Party organization need your support!

Some swingers are discriminated against, sure, but that's because of the public perception of sex as a dirty pastime, something that's been the case since the Catholic Church got its toe in the door.

I am not judging them! I am providing a "choice" for Adult Entertaiment in the scene under the Brand Name "City Slickers Parties" and I am defending my Members!

Please try to understand the difference!!!

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By *ity Slickers Parties OP Couple (MM) over a year ago

Milan, Italy

"Surely people are free to make their own mind and choose were to go to spend a night our or where not to go! We provide a choice and we are entitle to

Everyone is entitled to choose who they find attractive, but calling the ones you don't think are 'losers', 'ugly', and 'clowns' might not have the result you're hoping for.

I assume your tent will be out of bounds for most of the attendees that weekend.

EACH Club and/or Party organization need your support!

Some swingers are discriminated against, sure, but that's because of the public perception of sex as a dirty pastime, something that's been the case since the Catholic Church got its toe in the door.

I am not judging them! I am providing a "choice" for Adult Entertaiment in the scene under the Brand Name "City Slickers Parties" and I am defending my Members!

Please try to understand the difference!!!

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By *yrdwomanWoman over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

"Surely people are free to make their own mind and choose were to go to spend a night our or where not to go! We provide a choice and we are entitle to

Everyone is entitled to choose who they find attractive, but calling the ones you don't think are 'losers', 'ugly', and 'clowns' might not have the result you're hoping for.

I assume your tent will be out of bounds for most of the attendees that weekend.

EACH Club and/or Party organization need your support!

Some swingers are discriminated against, sure, but that's because of the public perception of sex as a dirty pastime, something that's been the case since the Catholic Church got its toe in the door.

I am not judging them! I am providing a "choice" for Adult Entertaiment in the scene under the Brand Name "City Slickers Parties" and I am defending my Members!

Please try to understand the difference!!!"

I understand the difference, but I am struggling to understand how you are defending your members by insulting those you refuse admission to.

My main concern is how you'll be behaving at Swingfields, a festival set up specifically to allow people to swing without discrimination.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Look I can only apologise if my Italian behaviour at times takes the worse of me, but if I am trying to make a statement that swingers in uk cannot admit in public that they enjoy sex and that is nobody's business because we are harming nobody for fear of losing their job! I subsequently am being attacked for providing a choice in the scene for those who DO NOT wish to go in establishments where anybody is welcome!

First, don't be a coward and lampshade your bigotry by referring to it as 'Italian behaviour.' I have several Italian friends and colleagues, and they by no means display the kind of arrogance and vanity that you are showing here.

Second, no one is trying to deny that swingers face discrimination and often fear losing their jobs, losing access to their children, or facing the prospect of a prison sentence.

Third, you dare to call us 'narrow minded' when you are the one declaring that people of a certain age, body type, intellect, financial situation and gender 'don't meet the standard' to participate in your events....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"What can I say? Are these people not allowed to have their own space too? And if in a swinger site people are so narrow minded, how are we going to change things in uk and be more legally protected as the Gay Scene has earned their own legal battle?

EACH Club and/or Party organization need your support!"

The only person on this thread that is narrow minded is you OP, and without justification as your looks, IMO, should exclude you from the events you organise.

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By *isscheekychopsWoman over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

Even us fat women can attract "city type boys" and beautiful men...

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By *ity Slickers Parties OP Couple (MM) over a year ago

Milan, Italy

"Surely people are free to make their own mind and choose were to go to spend a night our or where not to go! We provide a choice and we are entitle to

Everyone is entitled to choose who they find attractive, but calling the ones you don't think are 'losers', 'ugly', and 'clowns' might not have the result you're hoping for.

I assume your tent will be out of bounds for most of the attendees that weekend.

EACH Club and/or Party organization need your support!

Some swingers are discriminated against, sure, but that's because of the public perception of sex as a dirty pastime, something that's been the case since the Catholic Church got its toe in the door.

I am not judging them! I am providing a "choice" for Adult Entertaiment in the scene under the Brand Name "City Slickers Parties" and I am defending my Members!

Please try to understand the difference!!!

I understand the difference, but I am struggling to understand how you are defending your members by insulting those you refuse admission to.

My main concern is how you'll be behaving at Swingfields, a festival set up specifically to allow people to swing without discrimination."

In fact I am only supporting Swingfield because I believe that we should all have freedom of choice, as I am supporting any other Club that is currently fighting a legal battle to keep trading because we should be heard, respected and free to meet for consensual sex between adults and not discriminated.

Naturally if someone is gaining pleasure to demean us and doesn't get the message and carries on and on and on they deserve to get what their are asking for in mt Topic!

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By *yrdwomanWoman over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

"Even us fat women can attract "city type boys" and beautiful men...

I've had some right stunners lately.

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By *yrdwomanWoman over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

"Surely people are free to make their own mind and choose were to go to spend a night our or where not to go! We provide a choice and we are entitle to

Everyone is entitled to choose who they find attractive, but calling the ones you don't think are 'losers', 'ugly', and 'clowns' might not have the result you're hoping for.

I assume your tent will be out of bounds for most of the attendees that weekend.

EACH Club and/or Party organization need your support!

Some swingers are discriminated against, sure, but that's because of the public perception of sex as a dirty pastime, something that's been the case since the Catholic Church got its toe in the door.

I am not judging them! I am providing a "choice" for Adult Entertaiment in the scene under the Brand Name "City Slickers Parties" and I am defending my Members!

Please try to understand the difference!!!

I understand the difference, but I am struggling to understand how you are defending your members by insulting those you refuse admission to.

My main concern is how you'll be behaving at Swingfields, a festival set up specifically to allow people to swing without discrimination.

Naturally if someone is gaining pleasure to demean us and doesn't get the message and carries on and on and on they deserve to get what their are asking for in mt Topic!"

Yeah, you're not getting it. Oh well.

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By *ity Slickers Parties OP Couple (MM) over a year ago

Milan, Italy

"Even us fat women can attract "city type boys" and beautiful men...

Sure but not in my club because my members do not like to have an orgy with BBW and as we do not use lockable rooms (in whoch you can escape) I have to provide my members with what THEY want

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By *isscheekychopsWoman over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

Confidence is a wonderful trait to have clearly OP you are lacking said trait as to berate others who don't conform to your idea of beautiful....I would happily be me any day of the week than be a person who has no self esteem or confidence that they have to hide behind the beautiful people...ill carry on being non beautiful with a bit of wobble but confident....

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By *isscheekychopsWoman over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

"Even us fat women can attract "city type boys" and beautiful men...

Sure but not in my club because my members do not like to have an orgy with BBW and as we do not use lockable rooms (in whoch you can escape) I have to provide my members with what THEY want

You are hilarious I couldn't give a shit what you party goers do after all your party goers are a small minority of a vast swinging scene...

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By *ity Slickers Parties OP Couple (MM) over a year ago

Milan, Italy

"Surely people are free to make their own mind and choose were to go to spend a night our or where not to go! We provide a choice and we are entitle to

Everyone is entitled to choose who they find attractive, but calling the ones you don't think are 'losers', 'ugly', and 'clowns' might not have the result you're hoping for.

I assume your tent will be out of bounds for most of the attendees that weekend.

EACH Club and/or Party organization need your support!

Some swingers are discriminated against, sure, but that's because of the public perception of sex as a dirty pastime, something that's been the case since the Catholic Church got its toe in the door.

I am not judging them! I am providing a "choice" for Adult Entertaiment in the scene under the Brand Name "City Slickers Parties" and I am defending my Members!

Please try to understand the difference!!!

I understand the difference, but I am struggling to understand how you are defending your members by insulting those you refuse admission to.

My main concern is how you'll be behaving at Swingfields, a festival set up specifically to allow people to swing without discrimination.

Naturally if someone is gaining pleasure to demean us and doesn't get the message and carries on and on and on they deserve to get what their are asking for in mt Topic!

Yeah, you're not getting it. Oh well."

No you are not getting either so... We would have to agree to disagree but thank you for your feedback and for trying.

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By *ity Slickers Parties OP Couple (MM) over a year ago

Milan, Italy

"Even us fat women can attract "city type boys" and beautiful men...

Sure but not in my club because my members do not like to have an orgy with BBW and as we do not use lockable rooms (in whoch you can escape) I have to provide my members with what THEY want

You are hilarious I couldn't give a shit what you party goers do after all your party goers are a small minority of a vast swinging scene..."

And as I am sure you may have gathered... Do you think I give a shit of you?

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By *isscheekychopsWoman over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

"Even us fat women can attract "city type boys" and beautiful men...

Sure but not in my club because my members do not like to have an orgy with BBW and as we do not use lockable rooms (in whoch you can escape) I have to provide my members with what THEY want

You are hilarious I couldn't give a shit what you party goers do after all your party goers are a small minority of a vast swinging scene...

And as I am sure you may have gathered... Do you think I give a shit of you?"

I couldn't care less...if you did or you didn't I still think you are hilarious

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By *ity Slickers Parties OP Couple (MM) over a year ago

Milan, Italy

"Even us fat women can attract "city type boys" and beautiful men...

Sure but not in my club because my members do not like to have an orgy with BBW and as we do not use lockable rooms (in whoch you can escape) I have to provide my members with what THEY want

You are hilarious I couldn't give a shit what you party goers do after all your party goers are a small minority of a vast swinging scene...

And as I am sure you may have gathered... Do you think I give a shit of you?

I couldn't care less...if you did or you didn't I still think you are hilarious

Thank you!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"And as I am sure you may have gathered... Do you think I give a shit of you?"

Trust me, the feeling's mutual.

"In fact I am only supporting Swingfield because I believe that we should all have freedom of choice, as I am supporting any other Club that is currently fighting a legal battle to keep trading because we should be heard, respected and free to meet for consensual sex between adults and not discriminated."

So you are defending swingers from discrimination by engaging in discrimination against those swingers whom you deem to be 'beneath you'?

Nice one Einstein...

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By *isscheekychopsWoman over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

"Even us fat women can attract "city type boys" and beautiful men...

Sure but not in my club because my members do not like to have an orgy with BBW and as we do not use lockable rooms (in whoch you can escape) I have to provide my members with what THEY want

You are hilarious I couldn't give a shit what you party goers do after all your party goers are a small minority of a vast swinging scene...

And as I am sure you may have gathered... Do you think I give a shit of you?

I couldn't care less...if you did or you didn't I still think you are hilarious

Thank you!"

You are most welcome have a fabulous day!

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By *ity Slickers Parties OP Couple (MM) over a year ago

Milan, Italy

"Naturally if someone is gaining pleasure to demean us and doesn't get the message and carries on and on and on they deserve to get what their are asking for in mt Topic!

Wow, threats now, amazing.

It's not your topic, it's a topic you have posted on an open forum owned by Fabswingers, and the correct spelling of the word you're looking for is 'they're, not their'.

Thanks for the correction I am typing with a tiny mobile phone... Yes I know what you mean bloody foreigners eh? lol

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Wow this is still rumbling on!

The OP has started two threads and still not coming out on top, the irony of these last two threads appear to be completely lost on him, he claims to be discriminated against yet openly and promotes discrimination against others that don't fit his criteria. I don't believe this post was actually started to support and protect the swinging community it was started to garner support for your "business" and done in the hope that we'd all take the your side and not the nasty council.

I fully understand the market segmentation approach and in all honesty it doesn't bother me, the problem I have is with your attitude, you are probably one of the most rude and judgemental people I have ever seen on fab and this alone would put me off attending or supporting any venture of yours even if I did meet the criteria of being accepted.

There is at least one other well known party organiser I am aware of that applies a vetting process to it's applicants and I don't recall seeing vitriol of this level aimed at them, it is all down to your choice of wording and incredibly poor and rude attitude.

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By *awandOrderCouple over a year ago

SW London

"Even us fat women can attract "city type boys" and beautiful men...

Sure but not in my club because my members do not like to have an orgy with BBW and as we do not use lockable rooms (in whoch you can escape) I have to provide my members with what THEY want

You are hilarious I couldn't give a shit what you party goers do after all your party goers are a small minority of a vast swinging scene...

And as I am sure you may have gathered... Do you think I give a shit of you?

I couldn't care less...if you did or you didn't I still think you are hilarious

Opted out of this thread a while ago .... because of how incredulous the OP is ... very sad that those who get suckered into these parties believe the hype whilst paying the price. I see it as preying on the vulnerable .... you are not doing yourself any favours, OP. Take a step back and look at how embroiled you have become .... btw, I don't want to come to any of your parties, so don't chase me with an invitation as I am too old to run

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By *yrdwomanWoman over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

The OP might like to know that one of the definitions of discrimination is the idea that he is better than anyone who looks different from him.

Fighting discrimination while discriminating seems a bit ingenuous to me, but it might be a plan so subtle even we can't get it.

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By *ity Slickers Parties OP Couple (MM) over a year ago

Milan, Italy

"And as I am sure you may have gathered... Do you think I give a shit of you?

Trust me, the feeling's mutual.

So you are defending swingers from discrimination by engaging in discrimination against those swingers whom you deem to be 'beneath you'?

Nice one Einstein..."

Oh gives a break and move on... You are boring me now!

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By *yrdwomanWoman over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

"The point is that the poor excuse for a man who started this thread is hiding behind his supposed 'good intentions' and 'freedom of choice' to act like a complete cunt towards other swingers."

And that's why I am concerned that Swingfields have announced City Slickers as a sponsor for the festival. I am not sure they would have intended that their festival be supported by someone who displays such attitudes.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"And as I am sure you may have gathered... Do you think I give a shit of you?

Trust me, the feeling's mutual.

So you are defending swingers from discrimination by engaging in discrimination against those swingers whom you deem to be 'beneath you'?

Nice one Einstein...

Oh gives a break and move on... You are boring me now!"

Why should I move on? You're the one resorting to cowardly attempts to justify your bigotry by hiding behind your 'freedom of choice.'

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

i tend to stay out of swingfield events and threads.... but i have to agree with this....

i don't think it does the swingfield brand any positives having them as a sponsor.....

i just hope the money they are paying is worth the P.R hit they will take...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The point is that the poor excuse for a man who started this thread is hiding behind his supposed 'good intentions' and 'freedom of choice' to act like a complete cunt towards other swingers.

I trust, therefore, that you have contacted Swingfields and highlighted the OP's conduct on these threads?

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By *ity Slickers Parties OP Couple (MM) over a year ago

Milan, Italy

"The OP might like to know that one of the definitions of discrimination is the idea that he is better than anyone who looks different from him.

Fighting discrimination while discriminating seems a bit ingenuous to me, but it might be a plan so subtle even we can't get it."

Ok let me give you an example:

The Gay Scene has fought their discrimination war and quite rightly are today respected and protected by law as a 'Sexual Minority' in fact their position in society is so powerful that when looking to open my Club I was encouraged by Licencing Consultant to open it as a Gay Club and subsequently use it as a Swinger Club!

The Gay Scene includes aslso as well as gays CD + TV + TS well most gays I know they are gay because they like the same gender and they semselves woyld tell you: - why would you want to look like a woman!!?? -

They are many individual groups yet again they managed to form a solid bound together.

We have a lot to learn from them! lol

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By *ity Slickers Parties OP Couple (MM) over a year ago

Milan, Italy

"The OP might like to know that one of the definitions of discrimination is the idea that he is better than anyone who looks different from him.

Fighting discrimination while discriminating seems a bit ingenuous to me, but it might be a plan so subtle even we can't get it."

Ok let me give you an example:

They are many individual groups yet again they managed to form a solid bound together.

We have a lot to learn from them! lol

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By *isscheekychopsWoman over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

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By *eavenNhellCouple over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge

"The OP might like to know that one of the definitions of discrimination is the idea that he is better than anyone who looks different from him.

Fighting discrimination while discriminating seems a bit ingenuous to me, but it might be a plan so subtle even we can't get it.

Ok let me give you an example:

They are many individual groups yet again they managed to form a solid bound together.

We have a lot to learn from them! lol"
i think you need to look at your last line standing together does not include and being abusive towards people of a different size shape look or persuasion in fact its the exact opposite but carry on digging your doing an excellent job of making yourself look an even bigger bigoted idiot with every post

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By *ity Slickers Parties OP Couple (MM) over a year ago

Milan, Italy

"The point is that the poor excuse for a man who started this thread is hiding behind his supposed 'good intentions' and 'freedom of choice' to act like a complete cunt towards other swingers.

Attitudes are never one way! Sorry folks I am off to the Nudist Beach at Kiosk 4 to meet my sexy friends... Chat later!

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By *yrdwomanWoman over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

"The point is that the poor excuse for a man who started this thread is hiding behind his supposed 'good intentions' and 'freedom of choice' to act like a complete cunt towards other swingers.

I trust, therefore, that you have contacted Swingfields and highlighted the OP's conduct on these threads?"

I have made them aware.

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By *yrdwomanWoman over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

"We have a lot to learn from them! lol"

YOU certainly do.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The point is that the poor excuse for a man who started this thread is hiding behind his supposed 'good intentions' and 'freedom of choice' to act like a complete cunt towards other swingers.

I trust, therefore, that you have contacted Swingfields and highlighted the OP's conduct on these threads?

I have made them aware. "

Please can you tell me if they have a specific profile on fab? I wish to do the same.

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By *yrdwomanWoman over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

"The point is that the poor excuse for a man who started this thread is hiding behind his supposed 'good intentions' and 'freedom of choice' to act like a complete cunt towards other swingers.

I trust, therefore, that you have contacted Swingfields and highlighted the OP's conduct on these threads?

I have made them aware.

Please can you tell me if they have a specific profile on fab? I wish to do the same."

fungloscouple are the organisers.

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"An even shorter summary is:

* Man tries to run a non-legal, pay-for party in Greenwich

* Council rightly objects and stops him

* Man tries to garner support by claiming this as a discriminatory attack on all swingers

* Many people point out his hypocrisy since he discriminates himself

* Man repeats himself at length

* The world continues to rotate as per normal

you did this so much better than i did....

i am just waiting on the OP's to breaking a chorus of "we shall overcome" just to top it off...

Fight the Power guys... Fight the Power!!!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By *inaTitzTV/TS over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

The OP really isn't doing himself any favours here. Considering his amazing ability to alienate people and dig himself deeper into a hole, I'm surprised that his club that isn't a club if the council asks, but otherwise is a club, lasted as long as it did.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The point is that the poor excuse for a man who started this thread is hiding behind his supposed 'good intentions' and 'freedom of choice' to act like a complete cunt towards other swingers.

I trust, therefore, that you have contacted Swingfields and highlighted the OP's conduct on these threads?

I have made them aware.

Please can you tell me if they have a specific profile on fab? I wish to do the same.

fungloscouple are the organisers."

Thanks. I shall contact them forthwith.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The point is that the poor excuse for a man who started this thread is hiding behind his supposed 'good intentions' and 'freedom of choice' to act like a complete cunt towards other swingers.

I trust, therefore, that you have contacted Swingfields and highlighted the OP's conduct on these threads?

I have made them aware. "

You aren't alone

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By *LCCCouple over a year ago

Cambridge

Second, no one is trying to deny that swingers face discrimination and often fear losing their jobs, losing access to their children, or facing the prospect of a prison sentence.

Since when does swinging run the risk of a prison sentence?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

A lot of people are making the most ridiculous arguments and just jumping on the bandwagon to knock the OP. Having actually met him, can say that, in person, he is a very charming, polite and charismatic man.

Bottom line Gays 'discriminate' with men only bars/clubs/saunas, likewise Lesbian only venues/events but that's ok, they are allowed to?? But the OP can't choose who attends his Club? Swinger Clubs, to a lesser degree, 'discriminate' against single guys...they charge them more and limit numbers AND select based on looks/body, in many cases.

Even ordinary Clubs which are "Over 21" are 'discriminating' in that regard.

Have you ever heard the saying "The management reserve the right to refuse admission" It is not automatically against the law to discriminate, only certain groups are protected.

Has anyone held a party and turned someone down from attending, even thinking "ohhhh I don't like them" .....then you too have discriminated.

Grow up, deal with it and move on......I doubt the OP will be short of guests.

Running telling tales to Stu and Debs re Swingfields is pretty pathetic...they are business people, running a commercial event and will have made their own judgement of the OP before signing him up....and yes,I have met them. Few people here sounding like playground bullies to be honest..

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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
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O o O oo

I think we will leave it there now

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