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By *og-ManMan
over a year ago
somewhere |
RIP Jack, you brought so much happiness to Irish soccer supporters, brought us to tournaments we had never been at before, created memories that are still so fondly remembered even today, and brought huge joy and excitement to an entire nation. What a man! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Many a pub was full, many a pint was spilled, we laughed we cryed we roared and cheered thank for the memory's big Jack for making a nation hold its breath. R. I. P
Ps tell the angels up there not to loose the ball in their own half. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"didnt like his long ball hit in hope tactics but still a legend of Irish football  "
Ah, another football purist!! Like many of the irish pundits around that time, none of whom had achieved anything at all with Ireland.
You're not old enough to remember it to not like it, but I'll tell you who else didn't like it at the time England, Italy, Holland, Denmark (European champions at the time) and Germany.
You cut your cloth accordingly and when you've Tony Cascarino and Niall Quinn as target men it's disrespectful to call it long ball hit and hope. His team could play, make no mistake about that, and I'd call it tactical to utilise your strengths and highlight the oppositions weaknesses. But it suited the English and Irish pundits of the time with their own agenda to tar them with that brush.
Incidentally I was in Windsor Park the night Alan McLaughlin scored a late equaliser to take Ireland to USA 94 and it hadn't been for results elsewhere that night the famous victory over Italy would never have happened. Big Jack said some things he shouldnt have before that game and I'm sure when he walkes out to the atmosphere that night he wished he hadn't as it almost backfired.
I was just happy to get out alive that night, N Ireland put on a great show and didn't lose and somehow ROI didn't win but still qualified!!
Win win!  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"didnt like his long ball hit in hope tactics but still a legend of Irish football "
Yeah I am sure the 9 year old you was really irritated by it lmao...
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Lucky enough to be at the Egyptian and Dutch games in Italy and the 4 games in US, with my dad. Great memories for us both. RIP big Jack "
Unreal. You can not put a price on that. He made that happen for a whole nation. |
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"didnt like his long ball hit in hope tactics but still a legend of Irish football
Ah, another football purist!! Like many of the irish pundits around that time, none of whom had achieved anything at all with Ireland.
You're not old enough to remember it to not like it, but I'll tell you who else didn't like it at the time England, Italy, Holland, Denmark (European champions at the time) and Germany.
You cut your cloth accordingly and when you've Tony Cascarino and Niall Quinn as target men it's disrespectful to call it long ball hit and hope. His team could play, make no mistake about that, and I'd call it tactical to utilise your strengths and highlight the oppositions weaknesses. But it suited the English and Irish pundits of the time with their own agenda to tar them with that brush.
Incidentally I was in Windsor Park the night Alan McLaughlin scored a late equaliser to take Ireland to USA 94 and it hadn't been for results elsewhere that night the famous victory over Italy would never have happened. Big Jack said some things he shouldnt have before that game and I'm sure when he walkes out to the atmosphere that night he wished he hadn't as it almost backfired.
I was just happy to get out alive that night, N Ireland put on a great show and didn't lose and somehow ROI didn't win but still qualified!!
Win win! "
It was dour football..its like he realised that the Irish were very poor technically with ball at feet..and it was hit and hope the 2 big guys up front got a head on it to nick a goal then blanket defence.. that's the type of football a poor team plays..they other teams you mentioned were annoyed at this because they wanted to play an attractive passing game with silky skills..the long ball was the right thing to do but it wont always work and it was found out in the end..some fantastic memories though.. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"didnt like his long ball hit in hope tactics but still a legend of Irish football
Ah, another football purist!! Like many of the irish pundits around that time, none of whom had achieved anything at all with Ireland.
You're not old enough to remember it to not like it, but I'll tell you who else didn't like it at the time England, Italy, Holland, Denmark (European champions at the time) and Germany.
You cut your cloth accordingly and when you've Tony Cascarino and Niall Quinn as target men it's disrespectful to call it long ball hit and hope. His team could play, make no mistake about that, and I'd call it tactical to utilise your strengths and highlight the oppositions weaknesses. But it suited the English and Irish pundits of the time with their own agenda to tar them with that brush.
Incidentally I was in Windsor Park the night Alan McLaughlin scored a late equaliser to take Ireland to USA 94 and it hadn't been for results elsewhere that night the famous victory over Italy would never have happened. Big Jack said some things he shouldnt have before that game and I'm sure when he walkes out to the atmosphere that night he wished he hadn't as it almost backfired.
I was just happy to get out alive that night, N Ireland put on a great show and didn't lose and somehow ROI didn't win but still qualified!!
Win win!
It was dour football..its like he realised that the Irish were very poor technically with ball at feet..and it was hit and hope the 2 big guys up front got a head on it to nick a goal then blanket defence.. that's the type of football a poor team plays..they other teams you mentioned were annoyed at this because they wanted to play an attractive passing game with silky skills..the long ball was the right thing to do but it wont always work and it was found out in the end..some fantastic memories though.."
Poor team?? You guys had some of the best midfield players of their generation in top flight English football. Ronnie whelan, Ray Houghton, Andy Townshend, Roy Keane. And players at the back that could play, mcgrath, irwin, sheedy just off the top of my head. There was certainly no hit and hope.
Football is a game of opinions and everything and all tactics come full circle. In my opinion you cut your cloth accordingly and Ireland had 2 big guys up front that international defences everywhere struggled with. Why not play to your strengths?
Italy and Germany have won countless World cups playing "dour" football as you call it. Yet when the Italians score 1 goal by whatever means necessary and shut up shop they are lauded as clinical and tactically astute. Don't belittle your own jusy as Brady and Dunphy etc all did at the time. You clearly don't recall some of the West German/German teams tactics at major championships and no one labels them as dour. |
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Speaking of opinions, how about showing a bit of respect to the great man without dragging yet another non confrontational thread into a great debate.
A well respected and adored man has passed away.
Leave your condolences and move on. |
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By *ustBoWoman
over a year ago
Somewhere in Co. Down |
"Speaking of opinions, how about showing a bit of respect to the great man without dragging yet another non confrontational thread into a great debate.
A well respected and adored man has passed away.
Leave your condolences and move on. "
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Speaking of opinions, how about showing a bit of respect to the great man without dragging yet another non confrontational thread into a great debate.
A well respected and adored man has passed away.
Leave your condolences and move on. "
No one's disputing that. But when belittles the manner of his achievements in a less than informed manner it's disrespectful to him memory. |
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"Speaking of opinions, how about showing a bit of respect to the great man without dragging yet another non confrontational thread into a great debate.
A well respected and adored man has passed away.
Leave your condolences and move on. "
Its not a personal attack on the man himself but more his tactics that all |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Questioning the man's methods a day after his passing and decades after he brought this nation to heights we'd never been before is downright ridiculous and terrible taste.
RIP Jack you legend
Thank you so much for Italia 90 and USA 94. You cannot put a price on those memories!
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By *ocoWEXMan
over a year ago
Chester |
I was just a kid when there was Italia 90 at home. It was the first time I saw the Irish flag and the men in green running after the ball.
I remember asking myself "But do they also play football?"
And do they have a flag similar to the Italian one?
Then Come on Ireland !! Go!!
Then Trapattoni arrived and now I am here. You can thank the Lord or Saint Patrick if you prefer.
Jokes aside, Charlton, like his brother, was a great person, who knew what sacrifice, respect and honor mean.
It Will be greatly missed. |
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Jack played and managed in a very different eras
When I looked at his playing record With Leeds
I was more than surprised to see just how many goals he scored
A true Great of the Game
Will be sadly missed
God bless you Big Jack!!!
Thanks for bringing the big one home for us in 66
N xxx |
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By *jallMan
over a year ago
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"Speaking of opinions, how about showing a bit of respect to the great man without dragging yet another non confrontational thread into a great debate.
A well respected and adored man has passed away.
Leave your condolences and move on.
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Yes, well said. Just look back at the Italia 90 quarter final against the hosts. Played great football, we had skilled players |
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