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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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The new minimum drink pricing will be introduced tomorrow. Some drinks will double in price and others will have a steady rise.
Do you think it'll make any effect on the drink culture in Ireland, and does it affect you?
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By *og-ManMan
over a year ago
somewhere |
It only effects those than can least afford it and helps the profits of supermarkets and off licences
It doesn't effect those that buy more expensive wines,spirits and beers
Unless these go up in price to keep a premium between them and the old cheaper ones that have had an increase |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It only effects those than can least afford it and helps the profits of supermarkets and off licences
It doesn't effect those that buy more expensive wines,spirits and beers
Unless these go up in price to keep a premium between them and the old cheaper ones that have had an increase "
How much is say a six pack of beer gonna increase?
I dont buy the affecting those who can least afford it argument.
I mean yes it will obviously raise the lowest price but I dont think it will break people to drink responsibly.
It will stop supermarkets selling alcohol as a loss leader so while they may make more off the actual alcohol I don't think it's going to be a major boost to their incomes |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"A 24 pack of beer will cost around €40.00 instead of €20
The cheapest wine will be around €7.50 I think "
Thats still less than €2 a can like.
I just dont see the poverty tax argument in this. Seems like something a talking head came up with to try and stop a reasonable measure tbh |
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Bad move in my opinion.. An alcoholic will go to any length to get a drink and if that means letting his or her family starve then so be it.. Anyway this will only fuel cross border alcohol sales now with the price difference.. Apparently the UK are going to introduce mup but this is years away.. It won't affect me as I drink rarely.. People should be able to buy a drink cheaply if they want.. We all pay taxes.. |
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By *og-ManMan
over a year ago
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"Minimum price for a 500ml can of beer is gonna be €1.70 that to me doesn't seem excessive "
Thats what I meant about people that can afford it...thats not a smart comment towards you.
But Aldi sell a 6 pack for €5 .....thats gone as are €3.99 bottles of wine
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By *og-ManMan
over a year ago
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I dont drink a lot..I've been known to throw out beer from my press that goes out of date
I understand the arguments for minimum prices to stop excessive drinking
But the extra cost is not going into rehab or awareness or tax |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Minimum price for a 500ml can of beer is gonna be €1.70 that to me doesn't seem excessive
Thats what I meant about people that can afford it...thats not a smart comment towards you.
But Aldi sell a 6 pack for €5 .....thats gone as are €3.99 bottles of wine
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No I know it wasn't a smart comment but honestly if you want a few beers at the weekend and you can afford a six pack for €5 but not for €10.20 then your money should be going to something other than that anyway. I know that sounds a bit cold hearted but there are better ways of aiding the people that close to the poverty line than keeping booze so cheap |
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By *og-ManMan
over a year ago
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I just think the poorer you are the more you pay for standard stuff
A few beers at the weekend
Car tax is more expensive if paid quarterly
Electricity and gas are up to 40% more expensive if you cant do direct debit or if you use prepay meters
I genuinely think this is going to hammer the government when its realised |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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If this is an effort to try and reduce the drinking attitude of people it won't work. It will just mean that people will go without to get their fix.
How many of you have been out at night and not drinking and had comments made why you aren't drinking? There is such a pressure on people to drink, a lot if events are based around drinking too. And not just having a glass or two of wine, it's about getting of your head.
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"If this is an effort to try and reduce the drinking attitude of people it won't work. It will just mean that people will go without to get their fix.
How many of you have been out at night and not drinking and had comments made why you aren't drinking? There is such a pressure on people to drink, a lot if events are based around drinking too. And not just having a glass or two of wine, it's about getting of your head.
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I was told by a so called friend years ago that I wasn't a real man because I didn't drink.
I was then told in later years by an English woman on a training course and a guy in Florida that I couldn't be an Irishman if I didn't drink. The woman proceeded to tell me I should hand my passport back and should be ashamed of letting my country down. |
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By *indenMan
over a year ago
naas which is South West of Dublin |
MUP will have very little effect on normal everyday pricing and I don’t believe anything is going to double in price, the main reason it’s being introduced is to stop below cost selling on larger volume purchases, ie, 24 cans for €20 etc.
The vast majority of these items are being sold below cost as a loss leader and a means to drive foot fall, when these items are being sold below cost, mainly by supermarkets, they get a VAT rebate, which comes out of everyone’s pocket.
What you will notice is some of the budget brands, particularly beers and ciders being reduced in can size and ABV. |
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By *og-ManMan
over a year ago
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"If this is an effort to try and reduce the drinking attitude of people it won't work. It will just mean that people will go without to get their fix.
How many of you have been out at night and not drinking and had comments made why you aren't drinking? There is such a pressure on people to drink, a lot if events are based around drinking too. And not just having a glass or two of wine, it's about getting of your head.
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I've always had a soft drink if I'm driving and even now after 35 yrs of driving i still get asked ....have one..just one
Its one of the reasons why alcohol free beers are a godsend....its stops all the questions |
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By *3nsesMan
over a year ago
Dublin |
"Minimum price for a 500ml can of beer is gonna be €1.70 that to me doesn't seem excessive
Thats what I meant about people that can afford it...thats not a smart comment towards you.
But Aldi sell a 6 pack for €5 .....thats gone as are €3.99 bottles of wine
No I know it wasn't a smart comment but honestly if you want a few beers at the weekend and you can afford a six pack for €5 but not for €10.20 then your money should be going to something other than that anyway. I know that sounds a bit cold hearted but there are better ways of aiding the people that close to the poverty line than keeping booze so cheap"
But the reality is their money probably won't go to something else.
There's a reason Ireland has a binge drinking problem and it isn't the price of alcohol. Plenty of other countries have cheap alcohol and don't have a binge drinking problem.
This is just a lazy way of trying to tackle the problem. Which also happens to be a big positive to publicans and the extremely large lobbying giant that is the Vinters Association. |
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As a young person. We have spoken to many friends and all its going to do is make younger people go towards harder stuff then alcohol for a night's out. As its no cheaper to get more "fun" more dangerous ways. Useless law |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Minimum price for a 500ml can of beer is gonna be €1.70 that to me doesn't seem excessive
Thats what I meant about people that can afford it...thats not a smart comment towards you.
But Aldi sell a 6 pack for €5 .....thats gone as are €3.99 bottles of wine
No I know it wasn't a smart comment but honestly if you want a few beers at the weekend and you can afford a six pack for €5 but not for €10.20 then your money should be going to something other than that anyway. I know that sounds a bit cold hearted but there are better ways of aiding the people that close to the poverty line than keeping booze so cheap
But the reality is their money probably won't go to something else.
There's a reason Ireland has a binge drinking problem and it isn't the price of alcohol. Plenty of other countries have cheap alcohol and don't have a binge drinking problem.
This is just a lazy way of trying to tackle the problem. Which also happens to be a big positive to publicans and the extremely large lobbying giant that is the Vinters Association. "
But there is a difference between problem drinkers and people with less disposable income.
I'm not promoting the move, just don't agree with the poverty tax element of the argument as I said above 
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"I just think the poorer you are the more you pay for standard stuff
A few beers at the weekend
Car tax is more expensive if paid quarterly
Electricity and gas are up to 40% more expensive if you cant do direct debit or if you use prepay meters
I genuinely think this is going to hammer the government when its realised "
Some people live off just €203 a week.
"As a young person. We have spoken to many friends and all its going to do is make younger people go towards harder stuff then alcohol for a night's out. As its no cheaper to get more "fun" more dangerous ways. Useless law "
Already the case. For a variety of reasons, young people drink less then the generations that came before them. But they do more cocaine |
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By *ilderMan
over a year ago
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I'm not impressed at all. I bulk buy beer as it was cheaper. A slab lasts me a month or two. It is now going to double in price because some can't self control their alcohol intake. It's a case of everyone being tared with the same brush 
An alcoholic will find another way to get their hit, it's not solving the problem effectively I don't think.
I've bought enough to do me until the summer at least. |
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I agree with it, we have to start somewhere, alcohol consumption related illness cost the health service 3.2billion a year, for those that can't comprehend that, there are 1million seconds in 11 days, there are a billion seconds in 31.5years, its a shit load of money, alcohol I would consider a luxury item and tax it accordingly
If its more and more expensive, less and less will be seen leaving super markets on a Wednesday evening with 24cans, since the Supermarkets started below cost selling, consumption has increased accordingly as has the HSE bill to treat illness caused by it. The effects of drinking today won't be seen for a few years so expect the 3.2 billion cost today to rise dramatically.
Bottles of Carlsberg are cheaper than bottles of water #Fact
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I agree with it, we have to start somewhere, alcohol consumption related illness cost the health service 3.2billion a year, for those that can't comprehend that, there are 1million seconds in 11 days, there are a billion seconds in 31.5years, its a shit load of money, alcohol I would consider a luxury item and tax it accordingly
If its more and more expensive, less and less will be seen leaving super markets on a Wednesday evening with 24cans, since the Supermarkets started below cost selling, consumption has increased accordingly as has the HSE bill to treat illness caused by it. The effects of drinking today won't be seen for a few years so expect the 3.2 billion cost today to rise dramatically.
Bottles of Carlsberg are cheaper than bottles of water #Fact
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drugs is a much larger habit with alot of the younger compared to drink. I don't touch drink during the week, never drink at home but love socialising on the weekend if I'm off out in bars and clubs. |
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I lived in Scotland when it was introduced there and even as a student I barely noticed. Think the price of a pint in the union went from £1 to £1.05
Basically means you can’t sell 3 litres of shite cider for next to fuck all
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Its bullshit nothing to do with alcos its them fucking greens bloody bleeding hearts they eamonn ryan cant even stay awake in dail must be tired with all that cycling the prick.energy costs going up fuel costs going up people cant and arent allowed to go out so eamo and crew wanna ruin their fun at home.yea lets all stay in on sat and eat cucumber and lettuce and drink carrot juice .love the fuckun greens |
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By *iscuits8Man
over a year ago
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I don't really buy beer/alcohol in large amounts. At the weekend I'll maybe grab a few bottle to do me over a couple of nights but they'd be typically me trying out new craft beers/ales which would be €2.50-3 each already.
But when I next need to buy slabs of beer for something like say a family occasion, I'll be spinning the handy 45 mins or so up to Jonesborough/Newry though. |
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By *abbingMan
over a year ago
Belfast |
in my view, the problem isnt the price of booze....its the cultural attitude towards getting fu*ked off our faces before its possible to have a night out / or to have a good time / to go to a restaurant / to go to a wedding or function / to a gig or event etc. Its a generalization I accept, but as a nation we tend not to be able to let our hair down without being pissed
jacking the price of booze up wont change that - its will only displace it. which equals an increase in casual drug use, black market booze, and potentially crime
changing the cultural norm (like making not wearing a seat belt or drink driving frowned upon) is the only way to tackle this in my view....which is very difficult to achieve, so much easier just to try and tax your way out of it! |
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By *dfabMan
over a year ago
Dunboyne |
Agreed that it's bullshit government on alcohol.
Before it is even introduced, beer is half the price across the border.
We're back to the beer cruises across the water for the day and trips up North 
Except for those of us bomebrewers (wink)
Ridiculous compared to price of drink across EU.
Educate your young not to be like me  and stop taxing the innocent |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"in my view, the problem isnt the price of booze....its the cultural attitude towards getting fu*ked off our faces before its possible to have a night out / or to have a good time / to go to a restaurant / to go to a wedding or function / to a gig or event etc. Its a generalization I accept, but as a nation we tend not to be able to let our hair down without being pissed
jacking the price of booze up wont change that - its will only displace it. which equals an increase in casual drug use, black market booze, and potentially crime
changing the cultural norm (like making not wearing a seat belt or drink driving frowned upon) is the only way to tackle this in my view....which is very difficult to achieve, so much easier just to try and tax your way out of it!"
Agree wholeheartedly with this |
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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago
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"Minimum price for a 500ml can of beer is gonna be €1.70 that to me doesn't seem excessive
Thats what I meant about people that can afford it...thats not a smart comment towards you.
But Aldi sell a 6 pack for €5 .....thats gone as are €3.99 bottles of wine
No I know it wasn't a smart comment but honestly if you want a few beers at the weekend and you can afford a six pack for €5 but not for €10.20 then your money should be going to something other than that anyway. I know that sounds a bit cold hearted but there are better ways of aiding the people that close to the poverty line than keeping booze so cheap"
It's not cold hearted it's arrogant what you're saying. So if you're not earning enough you shouldn't have a beer at the weekend?  Joan Burton and fancy phones springs to mind....
Anyhow we all know it won't change a thing, it's just another means to screw the 'little people'.... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Minimum price for a 500ml can of beer is gonna be €1.70 that to me doesn't seem excessive
Thats what I meant about people that can afford it...thats not a smart comment towards you.
But Aldi sell a 6 pack for €5 .....thats gone as are €3.99 bottles of wine
No I know it wasn't a smart comment but honestly if you want a few beers at the weekend and you can afford a six pack for €5 but not for €10.20 then your money should be going to something other than that anyway. I know that sounds a bit cold hearted but there are better ways of aiding the people that close to the poverty line than keeping booze so cheap
It's not cold hearted it's arrogant what you're saying. So if you're not earning enough you shouldn't have a beer at the weekend? Joan Burton and fancy phones springs to mind....
Anyhow we all know it won't change a thing, it's just another means to screw the 'little people'...."
Well if you can't afford a drink on a particular weekend then ya you shouldnt buy it.
But more to the point what I was trying to get at is alcohol even with the price increase is still vastly affordable compared to a hell of alot of other activities.
Again if people use the poverty tax argument on this then I think its misplaced.
I really don't think that's arrogance. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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They have been trying it with cigarettes for years. Keep putting the price up. It hasn't work as well as they make out it has. People buy cheap cigarettes from the black market. People start buying cheap alcohol from the black market you can expect a lot of hospitalizations and deaths. There is a drinking culture in Ireland and it probably needs to be looked at but as usual the government of the day take the easy lazy route instead of actually trying to do something constructive |
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I used to have a customer who owned a shop in a residential area where the vast majority were either unemployed or on low income. He also owned an off licence in another part of town.
Customers would exchange vouchers they received as part of their family allowance or income support scheme. As far as I know they were only given to families with children. It clearly stated they were for essentials such as bread or milk but he accepted them for cigarettes and tobacco.
I saw him accepting them in the off sales too for slabs of cans.
He is the only customer I've ever had that I was glad to see going out of business. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I agree with it, we have to start somewhere, alcohol consumption related illness cost the health service 3.2billion a year, for those that can't comprehend that, there are 1million seconds in 11 days, there are a billion seconds in 31.5years, its a shit load of money, alcohol I would consider a luxury item and tax it accordingly
If its more and more expensive, less and less will be seen leaving super markets on a Wednesday evening with 24cans, since the Supermarkets started below cost selling, consumption has increased accordingly as has the HSE bill to treat illness caused by it. The effects of drinking today won't be seen for a few years so expect the 3.2 billion cost today to rise dramatically.
Bottles of Carlsberg are cheaper than bottles of water #Fact
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Nothing,or nobody will stop an alcoholic from getting their fix.
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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago
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"Minimum price for a 500ml can of beer is gonna be €1.70 that to me doesn't seem excessive
Thats what I meant about people that can afford it...thats not a smart comment towards you.
But Aldi sell a 6 pack for €5 .....thats gone as are €3.99 bottles of wine
No I know it wasn't a smart comment but honestly if you want a few beers at the weekend and you can afford a six pack for €5 but not for €10.20 then your money should be going to something other than that anyway. I know that sounds a bit cold hearted but there are better ways of aiding the people that close to the poverty line than keeping booze so cheap
It's not cold hearted it's arrogant what you're saying. So if you're not earning enough you shouldn't have a beer at the weekend? Joan Burton and fancy phones springs to mind....
Anyhow we all know it won't change a thing, it's just another means to screw the 'little people'....
Well if you can't afford a drink on a particular weekend then ya you shouldnt buy it.
But more to the point what I was trying to get at is alcohol even with the price increase is still vastly affordable compared to a hell of alot of other activities.
Again if people use the poverty tax argument on this then I think its misplaced.
I really don't think that's arrogance."
The clue lies in your sentence that then 'your money should be going to something other than that anyway'. You're making a decision for someone else /judging them without knowing the circumstances. As far as I know everyone can make with their 'leisure' money whatever they want regardless how much or how little it is. And I'm not talking about someone who's drinking excessively or taking away resources that should go towards feeding your family. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I'm not a drinker and dee enjoys a few drinks once or twice a week at night but I don't agree with this at all. I can see many plunging into proverty in an effort to feed their addiction as well as kids suffering as a result of people addicted to booze. And can see a rise in domestic abuse as well. It hasn't been thought out properly especially taking into account the fact that ireland has a sordid history when it comes down to drink. Harebrained and it will bring a lot of sorrow with it. |
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"in my view, the problem isnt the price of booze....its the cultural attitude towards getting fu*ked off our faces before its possible to have a night out / or to have a good time / to go to a restaurant / to go to a wedding or function / to a gig or event etc. Its a generalization I accept, but as a nation we tend not to be able to let our hair down without being pissed
jacking the price of booze up wont change that - its will only displace it. which equals an increase in casual drug use, black market booze, and potentially crime
changing the cultural norm (like making not wearing a seat belt or drink driving frowned upon) is the only way to tackle this in my view....which is very difficult to achieve, so much easier just to try and tax your way out of it!"
I would agree with this bar the "potential" increase in criminal activity. I would believe that it will most definitely be linked with increased criminal activity and black market product and everything that goes with that. |
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"in my view, the problem isnt the price of booze....its the cultural attitude towards getting fu*ked off our faces before its possible to have a night out / or to have a good time / to go to a restaurant / to go to a wedding or function / to a gig or event etc. Its a generalization I accept, but as a nation we tend not to be able to let our hair down without being pissed
jacking the price of booze up wont change that - its will only displace it. which equals an increase in casual drug use, black market booze, and potentially crime
changing the cultural norm (like making not wearing a seat belt or drink driving frowned upon) is the only way to tackle this in my view....which is very difficult to achieve, so much easier just to try and tax your way out of it!
I would agree with this bar the "potential" increase in criminal activity. I would believe that it will most definitely be linked with increased criminal activity and black market product and everything that goes with that."
This has always been the case I knew of nightclubs in the past that sold bootleg vodka that was made in someone's back yard.. It was then refilled into genuine vodka bottles that pubs use.. And sold for half the price of the genuine product to the publican only to be sold to punters for top prices |
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"in my view, the problem isnt the price of booze....its the cultural attitude towards getting fu*ked off our faces before its possible to have a night out / or to have a good time / to go to a restaurant / to go to a wedding or function / to a gig or event etc. Its a generalization I accept, but as a nation we tend not to be able to let our hair down without being pissed
jacking the price of booze up wont change that - its will only displace it. which equals an increase in casual drug use, black market booze, and potentially crime
changing the cultural norm (like making not wearing a seat belt or drink driving frowned upon) is the only way to tackle this in my view....which is very difficult to achieve, so much easier just to try and tax your way out of it!
I would agree with this bar the "potential" increase in criminal activity. I would believe that it will most definitely be linked with increased criminal activity and black market product and everything that goes with that.
This has always been the case I knew of nightclubs in the past that sold bootleg vodka that was made in someone's back yard.. It was then refilled into genuine vodka bottles that pubs use.. And sold for half the price of the genuine product to the publican only to be sold to punters for top prices "
Doesn't surprise me in the slightest... |
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By *og-ManMan
over a year ago
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"As I don't drink, this price increase passed my by until I learnt the extent of the increase.
What exactly is the objective of minimum pricing being introduced?
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Its meant to cut down the overall consumption of alcohol in the republic
When introduced in scotland overall consumption went down by 8 % |
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"As I don't drink, this price increase passed my by until I learnt the extent of the increase.
What exactly is the objective of minimum pricing being introduced?
Its meant to cut down the overall consumption of alcohol in the republic
When introduced in scotland overall consumption went down by 8 % "
In what space of time, for how long and is that still the case now? Goes to show I know nothing about it. When was it introduced in Scotland?
It won't affect me. I rarely drink anyway. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I don’t like the move. It’s most likely to punish those who can least afford it. I also don’t see the point if they don’t reinvest the money to deal with issues like alcoholism. "
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The first time I heard MUP mentioned was 10 years ago through the vintners association.
The angle they were coming at it had nothing to do with curbing the drinking culture but as a tool to regain some of the ground they had lost to the supermarket chains.
They felt it would level the playing field and stop the supermarkets selling alcohol as loss leaders.
The same supermarkets took advantage of the damage they inflicted on the pub culture by then slipping in to buy up every available licence for a fraction of their previous value and that allowed them to further expand the number of stores with off sales.
I worked exclusively with the licensed and hospitality sector for 20+years and I hold the vintners assoc personally responsible for the demise of the service sector I was involved in so there's no love lost there but an MUP policy is about much more than just curbing the amount of alcohol consumed. |
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"A 24 pack of beer will cost around €40.00 instead of €20
The cheapest wine will be around €7.50 I think
Thats still less than €2 a can like.
I just dont see the poverty tax argument in this. Seems like something a talking head came up with to try and stop a reasonable measure tbh"
What a selfish statement |
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By *dfabMan
over a year ago
Dunboyne |
Was in Lidl this evening and all the craft beers are same price as before Christmas. No offers on but other than that, same.
Still worth driving over the border if you're spending£50 or more though, depending where you live, obviously.
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By *og-ManMan
over a year ago
somewhere |
"Was in Lidl this evening and all the craft beers are same price as before Christmas. No offers on but other than that, same.
Still worth driving over the border if you're spending£50 or more though, depending where you live, obviously.
Or brew your own and be even happier "
The expensive beer hasn't changed .....the cheap offers and cheaper beers have shot up |
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"Was in Lidl this evening and all the craft beers are same price as before Christmas. No offers on but other than that, same.
Still worth driving over the border if you're spending£50 or more though, depending where you live, obviously.
Or brew your own and be even happier
The expensive beer hasn't changed .....the cheap offers and cheaper beers have shot up "
Yea cheap alcohol is a thing of the past now.. I think its a disgrace.. We are all adults and pay our taxes.. Why shouldn't we be able to buy a 6 pack for 8 euro at the weekend.. This government is in for a torrid time when the next election takes place.. Rises in electric.. Gas.. Petrol diesel.. Now a few beers is being priced out of it.. |
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Really interesting to see how people fail to grasp the reasoning behind the introduction of minimum pricing. The whole point of it is to try reduce the serious illness caused by alcohol clogging up hospitals in the future. You would thing in our current situation this would be an obvious step.
A secondary but far more important step is to try and make it difficult for younger people to buy large amounts on a regular basis. This is where life and health defining habbits are formed. It's a no brainer. There is no perfect option here but if it limits the ability of those who aren't yet experiencing alcohol dependency issue to get to that point then great.
The line being trotted out about parents buying alcohol instead of food for kids is a red herring, a miniscule amount of the population are in that situation and this move is a step in the right direction.
Fook this I'm tired from typing, anyone want a can of Carling. Got 18 for 11 euro on Sunday |
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"Expect petty crime rates to rise.. Alcohol will be shoplifted.. Burglaries will increase.. Aggravated muggings etc..
All to fund alcohol that costs very little to produce in the first place.. "
Again a miniscule amount of alcoholics will restort to that and the cost of production has nothing to do with it. The whole point is to price those at the highest risk of the social scale out of over consumption. One thing that is clear is that every year as long as verifiable medical records have been kept in Ireland alcohol has been the number one killer in Ireland and A 45% rise in alcohol-related chronic diseases and other chronic conditions between 2005 and 2018.
A doubling in bed days for alcohol-related conditions, from 1995 to 2018. But sure look let's do nothing incase a few people might go to far. You can't bitch and moan about hospitals being over run then bitch and moan about moves made improve the outlook for everyone. |
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Personally I think youngsters who would have bought a big bottle of cider or a few cans to get pissed in a park or house party will now think fu*k it let's buy a few yokes or more it's cheaper!
To expensive to get pissed let's get high it's cheaper |
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All I can say is that they banned alcohol drinks in America and it created a billion dollar business. If the Irish government thinks make alcohol more expensive will work they're delud. People will just look to the cheapest option which will now be illegal drinks. |
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By *dfabMan
over a year ago
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"8 cans of druids Glen for 19 euro.
It will push young people away from alcohol and towards drugs.
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Or push them to get a driving licence,so they can drive up North and get 54 cans of Strongbow for £30. |
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I'd just say that in the 20's/30's America banned drinking altogether and it created a billion dollar illegal business. If the Irish government think that people won't look for cheaper options then they are idiots. And all this "cheap" drink fuel criminal activity. |
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"8 cans of druids Glen for 19 euro.
It will push young people away from alcohol and towards drugs.
Or push them to get a driving licence,so they can drive up North and get 54 cans of Strongbow for £30."
Its madness |
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By *dfabMan
over a year ago
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"8 cans of druids Glen for 19 euro.
It will push young people away from alcohol and towards drugs.
Or push them to get a driving licence,so they can drive up North and get 54 cans of Strongbow for £30.
Its madness "
4 cans of Brewdog Punk IPA in Lidl €10.
12 pack of same in Asda Enniskillen £12 so €15 for what you would pay €30 here!!
That's a beer not affected by the minimum pricing.
Asda are currently offering 3 for £21 on packs of 12x330ml Heineken and that's proper 5% not the 4.3% piss they only serve in Ireland
So 36btls Heineken for £21. What fool wouldn't go North again??? |
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"Really interesting to see how people fail to grasp the reasoning behind the introduction of minimum pricing. The whole point of it is to try reduce the serious illness caused by alcohol clogging up hospitals in the future. You would thing in our current situation this would be an obvious step.
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we will tow the line and you may give us A Vaccine to help Health Sercice in future but Touchin our Alcohol to help it that shit gone to far. |
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"Really interesting to see how people fail to grasp the reasoning behind the introduction of minimum pricing. The whole point of it is to try reduce the serious illness caused by alcohol clogging up hospitals in the future. You would thing in our current situation this would be an obvious step.
we will tow the line and you may give us A Vaccine to help Health Sercice in future but Touchin our Alcohol to help it that shit gone to far. "
Ah sure I know. Don't get me wrong I love a beer (or 7) but the reaction to this is so typically Irish |
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By *ateniteCouple
over a year ago
Youghal |
Not invested enough in this to do too much research but out of curiosity we checked the price of the wine we would normally buy and the price (€10) hasn't changed at all. Is that because it was already above the minimum threshold?
Anyway, Mrs D is from the North and does regular trips home so send your orders in |
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By *3nsesMan
over a year ago
Dublin |
"Really interesting to see how people fail to grasp the reasoning behind the introduction of minimum pricing. The whole point of it is to try reduce the serious illness caused by alcohol clogging up hospitals in the future. You would thing in our current situation this would be an obvious step.
A secondary but far more important step is to try and make it difficult for younger people to buy large amounts on a regular basis. This is where life and health defining habbits are formed. It's a no brainer. There is no perfect option here but if it limits the ability of those who aren't yet experiencing alcohol dependency issue to get to that point then great.
The line being trotted out about parents buying alcohol instead of food for kids is a red herring, a miniscule amount of the population are in that situation and this move is a step in the right direction.
Fook this I'm tired from typing, anyone want a can of Carling. Got 18 for 11 euro on Sunday "
It's not a failure to grasp the reasoning. It's a failure to grasp whether that reasoning is correct.
Excellent article on the topic
https://www.rte.ie/brainstorm/2022/0106/1272198-minimum-pricing-alcohol-ireland-january-2022-harmful-drinking-addiction/
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It's a money making exercise that's all they have to claw back the money they spent on pup over the past few years..
Anyone who falls for the whole saving peoples lives and the health service argument is a fool.. Just another example of government gouging the tax payer for even more money.. They really don't give a shit about their constituents.. They let the price of rent sky rocket and do nothing to help.. Gas electric petrol diesel all insane prices and then they bring in minimum unit pricing for alcohol.. The 1 thing that many people live for at the weekend is a drink and they expect you to pay a fortune for it.. Its depressing.. |
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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago
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"Not all the extra money is not going to the government
Its going to the pubs and off licence so its not just to refill the tax coffers.."
"Not all the extra money is not going to the government
Its going to the pubs and off licence so its not just to refill the tax coffers.."
I don't know why pubs, restaurants and nightclubs are thrown in there. It won't/shouldn't effect the price of a drink on a night out as their prices are well above the MUP.
As for the poor supermarkets and off licenses that were soooo hard hit in the last two years, sure they can do with some extra earnings.... it's ridiculous and it would be more acceptable if the money would go towards a health matter |
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By *og-ManMan
over a year ago
somewhere |
"Not all the extra money is not going to the government
Its going to the pubs and off licence so its not just to refill the tax coffers..
Not all the extra money is not going to the government
Its going to the pubs and off licence so its not just to refill the tax coffers..
I don't know why pubs, restaurants and nightclubs are thrown in there. It won't/shouldn't effect the price of a drink on a night out as their prices are well above the MUP.
As for the poor supermarkets and off licenses that were soooo hard hit in the last two years, sure they can do with some extra earnings.... it's ridiculous and it would be more acceptable if the money would go towards a health matter "
You're right meant to type supermarkets not pubs ..bit of a brain freeze
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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago
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"Not all the extra money is not going to the government
Its going to the pubs and off licence so its not just to refill the tax coffers..
Not all the extra money is not going to the government
Its going to the pubs and off licence so its not just to refill the tax coffers..
I don't know why pubs, restaurants and nightclubs are thrown in there. It won't/shouldn't effect the price of a drink on a night out as their prices are well above the MUP.
As for the poor supermarkets and off licenses that were soooo hard hit in the last two years, sure they can do with some extra earnings.... it's ridiculous and it would be more acceptable if the money would go towards a health matter
You're right meant to type supermarkets not pubs ..bit of a brain freeze
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By *3nsesMan
over a year ago
Dublin |
"Not all the extra money is not going to the government
Its going to the pubs and off licence so its not just to refill the tax coffers..
Not all the extra money is not going to the government
Its going to the pubs and off licence so its not just to refill the tax coffers..
I don't know why pubs, restaurants and nightclubs are thrown in there. It won't/shouldn't effect the price of a drink on a night out as their prices are well above the MUP.
As for the poor supermarkets and off licenses that were soooo hard hit in the last two years, sure they can do with some extra earnings.... it's ridiculous and it would be more acceptable if the money would go towards a health matter
You're right meant to type supermarkets not pubs ..bit of a brain freeze
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Infairness you're not actually wrong. There's a reason the Vinters Association have been very strong advocates for minimum pricing. If there isn't a significant gap in price people will drink more in pubs than at home. |
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"Not all the extra money is not going to the government
Its going to the pubs and off licence so its not just to refill the tax coffers..
Not all the extra money is not going to the government
Its going to the pubs and off licence so its not just to refill the tax coffers..
I don't know why pubs, restaurants and nightclubs are thrown in there. It won't/shouldn't effect the price of a drink on a night out as their prices are well above the MUP.
As for the poor supermarkets and off licenses that were soooo hard hit in the last two years, sure they can do with some extra earnings.... it's ridiculous and it would be more acceptable if the money would go towards a health matter
You're right meant to type supermarkets not pubs ..bit of a brain freeze
Infairness you're not actually wrong. There's a reason the Vinters Association have been very strong advocates for minimum pricing. If there isn't a significant gap in price people will drink more in pubs than at home. "
As I already detailed on this thread |
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"Really interesting to see how people fail to grasp the reasoning behind the introduction of minimum pricing. The whole point of it is to try reduce the serious illness caused by alcohol clogging up hospitals in the future. You would thing in our current situation this would be an obvious step.
we will tow the line and you may give us A Vaccine to help Health Sercice in future but Touchin our Alcohol to help it that shit gone to far.
Ah sure I know. Don't get me wrong I love a beer (or 7) but the reaction to this is so typically Irish "
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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago
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"Not all the extra money is not going to the government
Its going to the pubs and off licence so its not just to refill the tax coffers..
Not all the extra money is not going to the government
Its going to the pubs and off licence so its not just to refill the tax coffers..
I don't know why pubs, restaurants and nightclubs are thrown in there. It won't/shouldn't effect the price of a drink on a night out as their prices are well above the MUP.
As for the poor supermarkets and off licenses that were soooo hard hit in the last two years, sure they can do with some extra earnings.... it's ridiculous and it would be more acceptable if the money would go towards a health matter
You're right meant to type supermarkets not pubs ..bit of a brain freeze
Infairness you're not actually wrong. There's a reason the Vinters Association have been very strong advocates for minimum pricing. If there isn't a significant gap in price people will drink more in pubs than at home. "
I'm aware that the vinters welcomed it but there's still a fair amount of a price difference between a pub pint and a can of beer. I fail to see how that makes any change to the vinters and it's the off licence that makes a good chunk more money. |
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You know these cheap beers and ciders will now become obsolete because nobody in their right mind would pay 19 euro for 8 cans of druids cider.. I mean its absolute piss.. I used to buy aldis own brand cider in 2 litre bottles for 4 euro.. Its now 8.36..nobody will buy this product anymore.. I think they will row back on these measures in years to come.. |
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By *al2001Man
over a year ago
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"8 cans of druids Glen for 19 euro.
It will push young people away from alcohol and towards drugs.
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If that drug is green then that is a plus.
The damage young people cause themselves and each other because of d*unk is tragic |
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"8 cans of druids Glen for 19 euro.
It will push young people away from alcohol and towards drugs.
If that drug is green then that is a plus.
The damage young people cause themselves and each other because of d*unk is tragic"
It won't be green, it will be little blue pills and vials of gas. Very dangerous cheap drugs that will have them more fucked than the drink.
I'd rather an 18 year old having a naggin for 10 quid than tablet for 10. |
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By *og-ManMan
over a year ago
somewhere |
So an off licence in Cork has found a way around the regulations
They're selling 24 plastic pint glasses for €30
You also get a credit note for €47.34 with terms and conditions
One condition ....it can only be used for an item costing €47.34
One tray of beer is priced at €47.34 as is a mop
Everyone is taking the tray of beer funnily enough |
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By *indenMan
over a year ago
naas which is South West of Dublin |
"So an off licence in Cork has found a way around the regulations
They're selling 24 plastic pint glasses for €30
You also get a credit note for €47.34 with terms and conditions
One condition ....it can only be used for an item costing €47.34
One tray of beer is priced at €47.34 as is a mop
Everyone is taking the tray of beer funnily enough "
Lots more of these to come, and sure to raise a giggle and lots of advertising, and some unwanted attention too. |
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"You know these cheap beers and ciders will now become obsolete because nobody in their right mind would pay 19 euro for 8 cans of druids cider.. I mean its absolute piss.. I used to buy aldis own brand cider in 2 litre bottles for 4 euro.. Its now 8.36..nobody will buy this product anymore.. I think they will row back on these measures in years to come.. "
You're right.. literally the only reason to buy that shite was the price. |
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"So an off licence in Cork has found a way around the regulations
They're selling 24 plastic pint glasses for €30
You also get a credit note for €47.34 with terms and conditions
One condition ....it can only be used for an item costing €47.34
One tray of beer is priced at €47.34 as is a mop
Everyone is taking the tray of beer funnily enough "
That's not a new idea. 30+ years ago when vat was added to hot food and the piece of fish and chips went up a lot of chippies started charging 50p for salt and vinegar and you got a free portion of chips. |
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"So an off licence in Cork has found a way around the regulations
They're selling 24 plastic pint glasses for €30
You also get a credit note for €47.34 with terms and conditions
One condition ....it can only be used for an item costing €47.34
One tray of beer is priced at €47.34 as is a mop
Everyone is taking the tray of beer funnily enough "
What kind of mop? |
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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago
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I did some homework on this, beer actually has become a luxury drink. If you have to watch your money yet still want your boozy weekend you're better of buying a bottle of the stronger stuff like whiskey, vodka, gin etc. as this is now cheaper option than sipping a beer. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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The bottle of wine I usually get will not be affected. However I still do not agree with this strategy. In Ireland, we pay much more for everything compared to many European countries. This is the latest introduction. Yes this was brought in also in Wales and Scotland, but of course here in Ireland, the minimum on a unit is higher than in those other two countries. And we have licensing laws that fuel the binge drinking culture and are completely out of date for any positive night time economy.
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