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When are the government going to get off their holes and equipe the Gardai properly . All they can basically Do is tell those yobs to stop doing that and go home . There is no repercussions for most of those assholes looting in Dublin tonight . Water cannons tasers decent battons . And yes hurt those assholes before they hurt other people. |
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By *ndqtMan 27 weeks ago
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"When are the government going to get off their holes and equipe the Gardai properly . All they can basically Do is tell those yobs to stop doing that and go home . There is no repercussions for most of those assholes looting in Dublin tonight . Water cannons tasers decent battons . And yes hurt those assholes before they hurt other people. "
Here here... 
Theres zero respect for law and order in this country for a long long time now.
Its worrying now tbh |
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Arm the gardai and that will lead to an avalanche of paperwork and lawsuits... sure any kind of excessive force and you have suspensions pending reviews.... ironic thing is...all the looting scumbags, if anything happened to them in the morning, who would they call...... |
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"Yes it's a pity that they can't, u would see them run then, you won't see them damage the dole office "
As a good friend of mine once said about the Troubles in Northern Ireland; “Between the Loyalists and Republican scum they never blew up the brew did they..” |
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"When are the government going to get off their holes and equipe the Gardai properly . All they can basically Do is tell those yobs to stop doing that and go home . There is no repercussions for most of those assholes looting in Dublin tonight . Water cannons tasers decent battons . And yes hurt those assholes before they hurt other people. "
If ever there was a night for water canons and AEP launchers tonight was it. Protesters my arse, the dregs of the dregs out doing what scrotes do best; wreck the place for everyone else.
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"Body cams are essential, to id the crotes, need them on all Garda."
They've already been agreed. Legal issues are being ironed out at the moment.
This from the Irish Times a few months ago.. "A live operation pilot programme is scheduled for 2024, with a full roll-out to begin afterwards “commencing incrementally in 2025 before completion in 2026”, according to a document produced for the briefing. A public consultation process will also take place." |
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"Body cams are essential, to id the crotes, need them on all Garda."
They won’t even be needed for last night, the scrotes have smeared themselves all over social media and the city center CCTV is generally supposed to be pretty good as well and will have a lot of the incidents recorded. |
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I'd take a more strategic view. The damage in Dublin last night cost a couple of million. I haven't heard of any deaths or serious injury from the rioting. . All the damage can be repaired. However, all those involved have come out into the open, on camera, CCTV, and social media. Some will be easily identified, while other suspects will now be under surveillance. This also allows the govt bring in new laws to monitor social media, as there will be popular support for it. There are 30 something rioters in court this morning, not a bad haul. |
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By *og-ManMan 27 weeks ago
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"Body cams are essential, to id the crotes, need them on all Garda.
They've already been agreed. Legal issues are being ironed out at the moment.
This from the Irish Times a few months ago.. "A live operation pilot programme is scheduled for 2024, with a full roll-out to begin afterwards “commencing incrementally in 2025 before completion in 2026”, according to a document produced for the briefing. A public consultation process will also take place.""
What I don't understand is why its ok for some people to use their phones and post video all over social media ....but thanks to GDPR rules the Guards cant use body cams to gather evidence |
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By *abioMan 27 weeks ago
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Irony of the far right jumping on what happened was that apparently it was a Brazilian Deliveroo driver who intervened to jump the attacker!
But heck… let’s burn Dublin and loot the shops! |
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By *roadguyMan 27 weeks ago
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"When are the government going to get off their holes and equipe the Gardai properly . All they can basically Do is tell those yobs to stop doing that and go home . There is no repercussions for most of those assholes looting in Dublin tonight . Water cannons tasers decent battons . And yes hurt those assholes before they hurt other people. "
I just don't get why the government are resisting providing better protection to the Garda. Every single Garda should have a taser as part of their basic kit. I'd also suggest that large Garda stations in Dublin and other major cities should have armed response units.
There should be increased sentence for rioting and looting. And a mandatory sentence for carrying a knife |
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"When are the government going to get off their holes and equipe the Gardai properly . All they can basically Do is tell those yobs to stop doing that and go home . There is no repercussions for most of those assholes looting in Dublin tonight . Water cannons tasers decent battons . And yes hurt those assholes before they hurt other people.
I just don't get why the government are resisting providing better protection to the Garda. Every single Garda should have a taser as part of their basic kit. I'd also suggest that large Garda stations in Dublin and other major cities should have armed response units.
There should be increased sentence for rioting and looting. And a mandatory sentence for carrying a knife"
Tazers and non lethal weapons, I'd agree with. But armed response? How can a weapon be legally used to quell a riot? Under Irish law you can't shoot people , unless lives are in danger, and the actions of the armed Garda will be minutely dissected years later in the high court. In last night's riot situation, no guns were used, and in the cold light of day, this morning, that's a good thing. |
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By (user no longer on site) 27 weeks ago
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I saw first hand last night that individuals of the law, were manhandling women and people who were obviously vulnerable. They wouldn't touch the actual scummers. I'd be afraid of what could happen if the police were armed, innocent people would be hurt obviously by vindictive officers on a power trip. |
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By (user no longer on site) 27 weeks ago
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I’ve never been so disgusted by some of the so called “patriots” in this country.
I mean I guarantee most of them are not even on the voting register!
Disgusting behaviour! |
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By (user no longer on site) 27 weeks ago
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"When are the government going to get off their holes and equipe the Gardai properly . All they can basically Do is tell those yobs to stop doing that and go home . There is no repercussions for most of those assholes looting in Dublin tonight . Water cannons tasers decent battons . And yes hurt those assholes before they hurt other people. "
I think they should do what they do in other countries. Have an in-between guards and army a defence force that has guns and all that is needed and let the guards the way they are now. A lot more training will need to go into them having guns etc
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By (user no longer on site) 27 weeks ago
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"Get them A water cannon for crowd control"
They have water cannons but are probably afraid to use them as they can cause injuries and we know what happens if someone gets injured these days  |
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By *og-ManMan 27 weeks ago
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"I saw first hand last night that individuals of the law, were manhandling women and people who were obviously vulnerable. They wouldn't touch the actual scummers. I'd be afraid of what could happen if the police were armed, innocent people would be hurt obviously by vindictive officers on a power trip."
Yeah so the 34 up in court are not scummers
Yeah right .... |
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"I saw first hand last night that individuals of the law, were manhandling women and people who were obviously vulnerable. They wouldn't touch the actual scummers. I'd be afraid of what could happen if the police were armed, innocent people would be hurt obviously by vindictive officers on a power trip."
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If those assholes that were looting and that organised the riot thought they might get hurt or shot they might think twice about doing what they did . I say arm the gardas and shoot the bustards in the legs who decide to go ape shit and wreck other people's property and put people's livelihoods at risk . Any one totally innocent would be staying away from that shit last night. |
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"When are the government going to get off their holes and equipe the Gardai properly . All they can basically Do is tell those yobs to stop doing that and go home . There is no repercussions for most of those assholes looting in Dublin tonight . Water cannons tasers decent battons . And yes hurt those assholes before they hurt other people.
I think they should do what they do in other countries. Have an in-between guards and army a defence force that has guns and all that is needed and let the guards the way they are now. A lot more training will need to go into them having guns etc
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Unfortunately militarised police forces have a habit of being quickly used to quell free speech and have a chilling effect on even peaceful protests |
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Having police with live weapons in a super heated situation? I mean sure, it's easy for us to comment on such things but how many protests and riots in history turn into a massacre? And before somebody says shoot into a crowd of 'scumbags', is more life being lost really what we need these days?
Yeah the guards are underfunded and underequpied, maybe there should be something done to improve that but I'm just proud they managed the situation the best they could. |
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"When are the government going to get off their holes and equipe the Gardai properly . All they can basically Do is tell those yobs to stop doing that and go home . There is no repercussions for most of those assholes looting in Dublin tonight . Water cannons tasers decent battons . And yes hurt those assholes before they hurt other people.
I think they should do what they do in other countries. Have an in-between guards and army a defence force that has guns and all that is needed and let the guards the way they are now. A lot more training will need to go into them having guns etc
Misses
Unfortunately militarised police forces have a habit of being quickly used to quell free speech and have a chilling effect on even peaceful protests"
We are not talking about Russia and China here
. Those arseholes last night shouldn't left terrorise a city like they did
The police forces are armed in most countries.
Give the Gardas the right to use non leathal force and before people start there wouldn't be any totally innocent bystanders looting shops setting fire to cars and busses. |
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"Body cams are essential, to id the crotes, need them on all Garda."
Double edge swords …. If something is incorrect in procedure during arrest and it’s caught on body cam the case can be dropped on technicality
The law in the north and south is way too soft so it doesn’t act as a deterrent |
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"When are the government going to get off their holes and equipe the Gardai properly . All they can basically Do is tell those yobs to stop doing that and go home . There is no repercussions for most of those assholes looting in Dublin tonight . Water cannons tasers decent battons . And yes hurt those assholes before they hurt other people.
I think they should do what they do in other countries. Have an in-between guards and army a defence force that has guns and all that is needed and let the guards the way they are now. A lot more training will need to go into them having guns etc
Misses
Unfortunately militarised police forces have a habit of being quickly used to quell free speech and have a chilling effect on even peaceful protests
We are not talking about Russia and China here
. Those arseholes last night shouldn't left terrorise a city like they did
The police forces are armed in most countries.
Give the Gardas the right to use non leathal force and before people start there wouldn't be any totally innocent bystanders looting shops setting fire to cars and busses. "
You only need to go as far as London to see what an armed police force can do to large scale peaceful protest.
I was replying to a specific post there. |
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By (user no longer on site) 27 weeks ago
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This riot is evidence of disenfranchised youths being manipulated by ring wing shit stirrers feeding them crap on line. Firstly aggressively target the online activity, arrest prosecute and publish their details. Secondly the number of young men interested in joining the Garda is almost nil. Thirdly mounted riot police in conjunction with more specialised extraction units, who target ring leaders and remove them. The worry here is the oxygen these groups have gotten may embolden them. |
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By *aid backMan 27 weeks ago
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Let's be honest most of guards time is used up as revenue creation/collection for the state.
Bringing in "proper" equipment would mean that they would have to be to be properly trained and recertified every year in the use of said equipment. Plus it opens up the possibility of misuse etc how many of us got a clip around the ear from a guard growing up when we where little shites, imagine now that clip was a stun gun, a baton or a rubber bullet. Big difference |
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"This riot is evidence of disenfranchised youths being manipulated by ring wing shit stirrers feeding them crap on line. Firstly aggressively target the online activity, arrest prosecute and publish their details. Secondly the number of young men interested in joining the Garda is almost nil. Thirdly mounted riot police in conjunction with more specialised extraction units, who target ring leaders and remove them. The worry here is the oxygen these groups have gotten may embolden them. "
They set up a unit nearly a year ago targeting the far right assholes with only one arrest so far. Either the gardai don't give a shit or the unit isnt funded correctly. A properly funded and organised unit with the intelligence to look in all these shitheads hidey holes would have arrested a lot more of these scumbags. |
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If there was an incident of Garda Brutality and subsequent protests, the exact same shitbags would riot and loot in the aftermath.
There are a few fringe right wing characters but they aren't orchestrating anything, they're having a very small circlejerk with the handful of like-minded people who subscribe to their manifesto. The assholes last night do not follow them and probably haven't a clue who they are. If any of these right with nutbags came face to face with the ferral scumbags, they'd shit their pants and run away.
Rather than chasing the mythical right wing bogeyman, if you went through the criminal history of the cunts who tore O'Connell Street apart last night, you'd probably find lists of offences as long as you're arm with little or no justice served because they were underage or got suspended sentances or early release because of prison overcrowding. Our justice system is not serving society, there is no deterrent to persistent low to moderate level antisocial behaviour and criminality which occasionally hits a critical mass on occasions like yesterday. Nip that in the bud and you might actually prevent shit like this. |
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Do deterrents work? The US doesn't seem to be able to get the hang of it.
As someone said above, these people are disenfranchised. They are not afraid of criminal justice, jail or tasers. Violent retaliation scales with with the use of force by law enforcement. The Paris riots exemplify this.
Only when our society grows to encompass the care of everyone will these problems be solved. |
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The best way to back the gardai is to build prisons nd send the scum away ,, currently you can get sentenced to six months nd be home by dinner time ,, we need to lock the scum up nd stop listening to do gooders about the poor upbringing the scum had |
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"The best way to back the gardai is to build prisons nd send the scum away ,, currently you can get sentenced to six months nd be home by dinner time ,, we need to lock the scum up nd stop listening to do gooders about the poor upbringing the scum had "
Custodial sentences do not deter crime and often increase it. This is a demonstrable fact. |
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"The best way to back the gardai is to build prisons nd send the scum away ,, currently you can get sentenced to six months nd be home by dinner time ,, we need to lock the scum up nd stop listening to do gooders about the poor upbringing the scum had
Custodial sentences do not deter crime and often increase it. This is a demonstrable fact."
Knowing that there will be no consequence for your crime is only encouraging the scum to continue breaking the law , we need to get tough on crime Nd put them away , we have far to many victims in this country who's voice needs to be heard not the scum voices |
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"The best way to back the gardai is to build prisons nd send the scum away ,, currently you can get sentenced to six months nd be home by dinner time ,, we need to lock the scum up nd stop listening to do gooders about the poor upbringing the scum had
Custodial sentences do not deter crime and often increase it. This is a demonstrable fact.
Knowing that there will be no consequence for your crime is only encouraging the scum to continue breaking the law , we need to get tough on crime Nd put them away , we have far to many victims in this country who's voice needs to be heard not the scum voices "
There's three decades of research showing that mass incarceration doesn't work.
Tackling institutionalised class discrimination by voting out the current government would be a better start.
Poverty, substance abuse, lack of education. These are at the root of how these youths end up where they are now. You can lock them up but there's more giving behind them unless those problems are solved.
Classism is as big a problem as racism in most countries where government policy favours welfare over regeneration and education. |
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"The best way to back the gardai is to build prisons nd send the scum away ,, currently you can get sentenced to six months nd be home by dinner time ,, we need to lock the scum up nd stop listening to do gooders about the poor upbringing the scum had
Custodial sentences do not deter crime and often increase it. This is a demonstrable fact."
There has to be some responsibility on people who commit crime. Last night's incident was just rent a mob. There was the American tourists in who nearly lost an eye. 2 English football supporters were beaten up. The riot outside the dail. As someone point there is a unit to look at these groups but under funded.
Seems to be mistrust between garda and senior garda.
I'm not one bit happy with my city being destroyed |
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By (user no longer on site) 27 weeks ago
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"When are the government going to get off their holes and equipe the Gardai properly . All they can basically Do is tell those yobs to stop doing that and go home . There is no repercussions for most of those assholes looting in Dublin tonight . Water cannons tasers decent battons . And yes hurt those assholes before they hurt other people.
I think they should do what they do in other countries. Have an in-between guards and army a defence force that has guns and all that is needed and let the guards the way they are now. A lot more training will need to go into them having guns etc
Misses
Unfortunately militarised police forces have a habit of being quickly used to quell free speech and have a chilling effect on even peaceful protests
We are not talking about Russia and China here
. Those arseholes last night shouldn't left terrorise a city like they did
The police forces are armed in most countries.
Give the Gardas the right to use non leathal force and before people start there wouldn't be any totally innocent bystanders looting shops setting fire to cars and busses. "
Agreed ,give them tazers and batons and the right to use them |
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Worst thing is, most of them have them but aren’t allowed to use them. Almost like they can only have them to give the illusion they will be used without actually giving them the authority to use them. Ridiculous stuff |
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"The best way to back the gardai is to build prisons nd send the scum away ,, currently you can get sentenced to six months nd be home by dinner time ,, we need to lock the scum up nd stop listening to do gooders about the poor upbringing the scum had
Custodial sentences do not deter crime and often increase it. This is a demonstrable fact.
Knowing that there will be no consequence for your crime is only encouraging the scum to continue breaking the law , we need to get tough on crime Nd put them away , we have far to many victims in this country who's voice needs to be heard not the scum voices
There's three decades of research showing that mass incarceration doesn't work.
Tackling institutionalised class discrimination by voting out the current government would be a better start.
Poverty, substance abuse, lack of education. These are at the root of how these youths end up where they are now. You can lock them up but there's more giving behind them unless those problems are solved.
Classism is as big a problem as racism in most countries where government policy favours welfare over regeneration and education."
Tell that to victims |
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"Get them A water cannon for crowd control
They have water cannons but are probably afraid to use them as they can cause injuries and we know what happens if someone gets injured these days "
No they don’t - trust me
There getting 2 down from the north |
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Not Irish here, just making an outside observation.
Was the 5 year old, and other kids and adults that were stabbed from a similar community to the people out rioting? The scale of the rioting clearly wasn't planned yet it happened literally within hours of that incident occurring. With the amount of folk who turned out they can't all have been thugs? Unless of course, you're happy to guzzle down state propaganda?
Maybe the law makers should be taking steps to amend or even create new legislation to deal specifically with violent immigrants properly. The Algerian with an Irish passport was known to the authorities and the courts did block his removal. That is, unless folk are happy with importing and allowing violent folk to stay?
The authorities really do need to take this seriously, as it is going to become more prevalent. If those authorities are seen to not be on the side of their own people just exactly what sort of groups do you think people will turn to? |
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"Not Irish here, just making an outside observation.
Was the 5 year old, and other kids and adults that were stabbed from a similar community to the people out rioting? The scale of the rioting clearly wasn't planned yet it happened literally within hours of that incident occurring. With the amount of folk who turned out they can't all have been thugs? Unless of course, you're happy to guzzle down state propaganda?
Maybe the law makers should be taking steps to amend or even create new legislation to deal specifically with violent immigrants properly. The Algerian with an Irish passport was known to the authorities and the courts did block his removal. That is, unless folk are happy with importing and allowing violent folk to stay?
The authorities really do need to take this seriously, as it is going to become more prevalent. If those authorities are seen to not be on the side of their own people just exactly what sort of groups do you think people will turn to?"
While the scale wasn't planned you have far right heads grooming these little bastards for the last few years telling them they're getting everything etc etc
Gavin pepper (the piece of shit) mike Brazil (fat incel) along with others from the fash parties we unfortunately have in Ireland sent out a call for those little bastards to meet. Their shotcallers riled them up via WhatsApp and telegram to cause havoc. Don't believe me, the videos are all over social media. Most of the little bastards don't and never gave a shit about the kids hurt on Thursday. They would rather use the nationality of the man as an excuse for their bullshit. As an excuse to cause trouble and get at the gardai. |
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By *aid backMan 27 weeks ago
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Algerian man with and Irish passport is Irish.
Anyone with an Irish passport is...
I wonder if the person was Irish would there have been such a reaction? Of course not.
Most of the brain dead scum that gone on about foreigners coming here to take out house's,money or benefits are the ones who have never worked a day in their lives. I rather the Irish never worked where made work that might free up some funds. |
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"Algerian man with and Irish passport is Irish.
Anyone with an Irish passport is...
I wonder if the person was Irish would there have been such a reaction? Of course not.
Most of the brain dead scum that gone on about foreigners coming here to take out house's,money or benefits are the ones who have never worked a day in their lives. I rather the Irish never worked where made work that might free up some funds. "
Same thoughts myself. |
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"Not Irish here, just making an outside observation.
Was the 5 year old, and other kids and adults that were stabbed from a similar community to the people out rioting? The scale of the rioting clearly wasn't planned yet it happened literally within hours of that incident occurring. With the amount of folk who turned out they can't all have been thugs? Unless of course, you're happy to guzzle down state propaganda?
Maybe the law makers should be taking steps to amend or even create new legislation to deal specifically with violent immigrants properly. The Algerian with an Irish passport was known to the authorities and the courts did block his removal. That is, unless folk are happy with importing and allowing violent folk to stay?
The authorities really do need to take this seriously, as it is going to become more prevalent. If those authorities are seen to not be on the side of their own people just exactly what sort of groups do you think people will turn to?"
I would agree but I would also add that there are underlying problems that need to be addressed, employment and some peoples lack of engagement in the workforce.
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By *anandJCouple 27 weeks ago
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"I would agree but I would also add that there are underlying problems that need to be addressed, employment and some peoples lack of engagement in the workforce.
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There is no problem with employment but there is a problem with socialism driven welfare policies. Why should people work if you can be so causy on SW? Social should be paid for 3 months and then nothing. |
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