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Wherever you go in modern society you meet parents who say that their child has been diagnosed as A D H D.
Is this a fashionable piece of terminology which was deemed "naughty" child in our childhood ?
Was it misdiagnosed in past generations or is it a label by which kids can be difficult and hold their hands up to proclaim "not me guv it's the A D H D?"
I saw a piece on the tv news re this new benefits rule and a lady proclaimed that ALL five of her kids have A D H D.
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Mr J Gambino
I am hereby boycotting your threads as they are becoming a little on the provocative and successful in causing some weird bear baiting, although an argument, though often healthy, often offends lol
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"Wherever you go in modern society you meet parents who say that their child has been diagnosed as A D H D.
Is this a fashionable piece of terminology which was deemed "naughty" child in our childhood ?
Was it misdiagnosed in past generations or is it a label by which kids can be difficult and hold their hands up to proclaim "not me guv it's the A D H D?"
I saw a piece on the tv news re this new benefits rule and a lady proclaimed that ALL five of her kids have A D H D.
What are the chances of that ? "
BS. While some children have this illness, some children are just plain unruly and ADHD is a cop out for parents who don't want to want to be held accountable for such disruptive behaviour. |
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Bumped into a girl from school who had three 'ADHDer's as she called them, as one of them head butted a door frame she told me he was just 'ADHDing' and carried on talking!!!! Not a slight of correction!!!! |
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"Mr J Gambino
I am hereby boycotting your threads as they are becoming a little on the provocative and successful in causing some weird bear baiting, although an argument, though often healthy, often offends lol
Yours sincerely
Mrs Hippo
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As a journalist one enjoys stimulating debate regarding serious topics of our age |
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I think a lot of people that aren't great parents and have naughty kids just use the ADHD label to excuse their behaviour and have never taken them to the docs to have them checked out. I've seen it happen.
True ADHD has nothing to do with bad parenting. I know a lady with 3 kids, her eldest has just been confirmed to have ADHD and her other 2 are perfectly fine. She's a brilliant mum and has a very stable family.
I also know a guy who's 25 and displays all the signs of a typical ADHD sufferer, but because it wasn't diagnosed when he was young people think he's just a trouble maker and has an attitude problem. |
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ADHD, is a real issue. I know kids and adults that suffer with it and are diagnosed, it is a heartwrenching condition for those who have it and the people that love them.
Society and people are quick to put a label to generalise behaviour as ADHD. It doesn't excuse unacceptable behaviour by children, or adults and does a huge disservice to those who genuinely suffer with it. |
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ADHD is genuine disorder, I have come across children and adults with the condition. The more severe cases needing to be medicated. ADHD is now classified by professionals as an Autistic Spectrum Disorder. ASDs are recognised conditions so all this talk of ADHD not being a recognised condition is wrong.
However, it is becoming a little like dyslexia is coming and there are lots of people claiming they have it as an excuse for things. Diagnosis requires psychologists and specialists.
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It could well be that all five children do have ADHD as it is in the autistic spectrum so it cld be due to the genetic make up of both parents or just one.
People who jump to the conclusion that its a child being naughty or bad parenting should educate themselves on subjects they don't understand before making assumptions. I know there are some parents can sometimes be quick to label there own children which obviously doesn't help. But to all of the genuine people who's children suffer from any ASD condition it is very difficult . So think we should think of there feelings before we post threads. I do agree everyone is aloud an opinion . But i was always taught think before u speak . Pity others didn't do the same . |
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"It could well be that all five children do have ADHD as it is in the autistic spectrum so it cld be due to the genetic make up of both parents or just one.
People who jump to the conclusion that its a child being naughty or bad parenting should educate themselves on subjects they don't understand before making assumptions. I know there are some parents can sometimes be quick to label there own children which obviously doesn't help. But to all of the genuine people who's children suffer from any ASD condition it is very difficult . So think we should think of there feelings before we post threads. I do agree everyone is aloud an opinion . But i was always taught think before u speak . Pity others didn't do the same ."
My thread in your opinion isn't a valid question for debate ?
I shouldn't stimulate debate regarding topics of our age ?
What other subject matters should be taboo on an adult forum in your opinion ? |
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"It could well be that all five children do have ADHD as it is in the autistic spectrum so it cld be due to the genetic make up of both parents or just one.
People who jump to the conclusion that its a child being naughty or bad parenting should educate themselves on subjects they don't understand before making assumptions. I know there are some parents can sometimes be quick to label there own children which obviously doesn't help. But to all of the genuine people who's children suffer from any ASD condition it is very difficult . So think we should think of there feelings before we post threads. I do agree everyone is aloud an opinion . But i was always taught think before u speak . Pity others didn't do the same .
My thread in your opinion isn't a valid question for debate ?
I shouldn't stimulate debate regarding topics of our age ?
What other subject matters should be taboo on an adult forum in your opinion ? "
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"It could well be that all five children do have ADHD as it is in the autistic spectrum so it cld be due to the genetic make up of both parents or just one.
People who jump to the conclusion that its a child being naughty or bad parenting should educate themselves on subjects they don't understand before making assumptions. I know there are some parents can sometimes be quick to label there own children which obviously doesn't help. But to all of the genuine people who's children suffer from any ASD condition it is very difficult . So think we should think of there feelings before we post threads. I do agree everyone is aloud an opinion . But i was always taught think before u speak . Pity others didn't do the same .
My thread in your opinion isn't a valid question for debate ?
I shouldn't stimulate debate regarding topics of our age ?
What other subject matters should be taboo on an adult forum in your opinion ?
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ADHD, does exist, I know this because of my grandson.
His parents went on parenting classes, they tried everything, while they were waiting for an appointment with the specialist doctors.
I will say that to an outsider he may seem just a naughty child, but it is a lot more than that.
This is how we were advised that his brain works.
Imagine a train going at 140 miles an hour around your head, and your mind cannot shut off, so when things are not right they cannot just get off the train to stop their bad thoughts.
He was 5 when he was given ritalin, and yes this has made so much difference.
My son was also on the Autism spectrum, having attended special need schools, so things like this do run in the family, as it seems to be more with the boy side of the family.
So please do not judge children until you understand. |
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We get kids coming in using it as an excuse. It's simple. If you don't work, and monkey around all the time you don't get the privileges other lads get who do work hard and keep their noses clean. It's amazing how fast these ADHD cases soon toe the line. |
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I had ADHD when I was young, to be honest I was a horrible kid who was just naughty.
Some will say yes some will say no. Both camps will think they are right.
I think if you look at dyslexia years ago people thought you were thick as shit.
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"Mr J Gambino
I am hereby boycotting your threads as they are becoming a little on the provocative and successful in causing some weird bear baiting, although an argument, though often healthy, often offends lol
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"Wherever you go in modern society you meet parents who say that their child has been diagnosed as A D H D.
Is this a fashionable piece of terminology which was deemed "naughty" child in our childhood ?
Was it misdiagnosed in past generations or is it a label by which kids can be difficult and hold their hands up to proclaim "not me guv it's the A D H D?"
I saw a piece on the tv news re this new benefits rule and a lady proclaimed that ALL five of her kids have A D H D.
What are the chances of that ?
BS. While some children have this illness, some children are just plain unruly and ADHD is a cop out for parents who don't want to want to be held accountable for such disruptive behaviour."
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"Wherever you go in modern society you meet parents who say that their child has been diagnosed as A D H D.
Is this a fashionable piece of terminology which was deemed "naughty" child in our childhood ?
Was it misdiagnosed in past generations or is it a label by which kids can be difficult and hold their hands up to proclaim "not me guv it's the A D H D?"
I saw a piece on the tv news re this new benefits rule and a lady proclaimed that ALL five of her kids have A D H D.
What are the chances of that ? "
only guessing that the lady in question may have been given a diagnosis by a Medical Professional poss after some sort of assessment perhaps..?
OP tbh the tone of the above and the slant you have placed on it does suggest you are being a tad provocative perhaps as a way of 'stimulating debate'..
would have thought with your journalist background you might have carried out some research on the subject before wording it as you have..
not exactly an objective viewpoint.. |
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I work with children and adults with LD & MH, people who have too many children they can't raise correctly, or just can't be arsed to parent in general, give children & adults who have been diagnosed and are being treated for ADHD a bad name |
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U r entitled to your opinion on any subject you choose as has anyone hence why I posted my opinion . But I do stand by wot I said bout educating on a subject u know little bout .so maybe then u cld take others feelings Into consideration . Is that so harsh ? |
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"Wherever you go in modern society you meet parents who say that their child has been diagnosed as A D H D.
Is this a fashionable piece of terminology which was deemed "naughty" child in our childhood ?
Was it misdiagnosed in past generations or is it a label by which kids can be difficult and hold their hands up to proclaim "not me guv it's the A D H D?"
I saw a piece on the tv news re this new benefits rule and a lady proclaimed that ALL five of her kids have A D H D.
What are the chances of that ?
BS. While some children have this illness, some children are just plain unruly and ADHD is a cop out for parents who don't want to want to be held accountable for such disruptive behaviour.
I often wonder how kids today would have coped with my parents. "
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"U r entitled to your opinion on any subject you choose as has anyone hence why I posted my opinion . But I do stand by wot I said bout educating on a subject u know little bout .so maybe then u cld take others feelings Into consideration . Is that so harsh ? "
You may feel that my slant differs from your view on the subject matter.
You can't possibly state with a scrap of evidence that I know nothing on the subject matter.
How do you know that I'm not a medical journalist ? |
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I don't think I need to list the evidence as that's what google is for ! I have child with ASD so am very educated on this topic . And am of the view if u where a journalist you would have a better knowledge on the subject . |
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You may feel that my slant differs from your view on the subject matter.
You can't possibly state with a scrap of evidence that I know nothing on the subject matter.
How do you know that I'm not a medical journalist ?"
Regardless of someone's job/occupation, I think it is important to remember that behind each username is a person with feelings. ADHD is a recognised ASD - I would like to hope that this recognition would make people realise that ADHD is a genuine condition.
In this age of recognising alcoholism and drug addiction as an illness, surely it is about time that people started recognising that children's behaviour can be attributed to ADHD when diagnosed properly and can be managed in a way where children are able to reach their full potential.
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"To be fair I think this thread is aimed at people who use it as an excuse. Not people who genuinely suffer from it. "
This is the chap who grasped my personal take on the subject matter.
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"its a good excuse for people not teaching their kids how to behave."
Absolutely not - its an Autistic Spectrum Disorder. Would you say that to someone who was borderline Aspergers that its a good excuse for them to be [insert verb here] |
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"To be fair I think this thread is aimed at people who use it as an excuse. Not people who genuinely suffer from it.
This is the chap who grasped my personal take on the subject matter.
Well spotted Sir "
i think people purposely misread thread just to have a go at people |
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"Regardless of someone's job/occupation, I think it is important to remember that behind each username is a person with feelings. ADHD is a recognised ASD - I would like to hope that this recognition would make people realise that ADHD is a genuine condition. "
BUT.. Obesity is recognised as a "condition" and that is down to bad parenting and bad decisions by adults!! And we all know that obesity is the product of low self esteem and pure laziness!! Where does that leave ADHD as a "genuine condition"? |
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"To be fair I think this thread is aimed at people who use it as an excuse. Not people who genuinely suffer from it.
This is the chap who grasped my personal take on the subject matter.
Well spotted Sir i think people purposely misread thread just to have a go at people"
or some post in a contentious manner to kick things off then pretend when they get pulled up on it, that hey it was all a jolly wheeze..
what ho, such fun.. |
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Before my daughter was diagnosed with severe Autism at the age of 2 1/2 i was TOLD by my health visitor that she was just plain bored and that i should take her out more. Hence to say that i would not let that woman in my house again.
Because of my situation i have come into contact with a lot of professionals and parents. Even I did parenting classes to teach me hope to cope with a child that was just so angry all the time with everything.
I often think that if a child is playing up, the parents readily use the words ADHD to get them selves out of certain situations..Example ..If they are told to leave a shop or the child is just having a tantrum.
Only if you know what you are looking for in a child that has got ADHD can you sympathise with the parent involved.
Even though i can spot an Autistic child in a big crowd because of their mannerisms. Someone with ADHD is very high on the Autistic spectrum, it comes with being very high functioning, and it has been said on this thread that the brain CAN-NOT slow down in the normal way like the average person therefore results in them being as it's called naughty by hitting out or screaming.
My daughter is the other end of the spectrum, no speech, severe learning difficulties, and even i would say on occasions that even she has ADHD, as she is constantly beating me up and trying to push me down the stairs because she thinks it's so funny to hurt mum....
This all comes under one word because these children/adults can-not get across what they really want to say or do and it is called FRUSTRATION !! Ruby |
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"Wherever you go in modern society you meet parents who say that their child has been diagnosed as A D H D.
Is this a fashionable piece of terminology which was deemed "naughty" child in our childhood ?
Was it misdiagnosed in past generations or is it a label by which kids can be difficult and hold their hands up to proclaim "not me guv it's the A D H D?"
I saw a piece on the tv news re this new benefits rule and a lady proclaimed that ALL five of her kids have A D H D.
What are the chances of that ? "
Ignoring all the other comments on this thread and answering the OP's question directly.... Almost incalculable.
It's one thing for the lady in question to 'proclaim' her five children all have ADHD, but it's quite another for them ALL to have been fully diagnosed.
When I was a School Governor we had a considerable number of parents actually trying to get their children statemented on the 'claim' that they had ADHD. So... I did a bit of reading up on the subject, which anyone can do.
When presented with the fact that in more than 75% of cases, true ADHD is genetic (ie. inherited from the parents) a considerable number dropped their claim. Hmmm, surpised?
Then, when presented with one of the key tests to identify it (the first signs must have presented themselves before the age of seven) again, a large number dropped their 'claim'.
Eventually, we whittled it down to 'maybe' 3 to 5 children in a given year (the intake was 120ish in this school) who seemed to have all the correct indicators as to justify putting them forward for assessment - which is lengthy and (during the mid 00's) required re-assessment over a period of months in case the 'symptoms' miraculously disappeared - and they were assessed by clinicians. The result, in one year which sticks in my memory, was that just ONE child out of 120 was diagnosed with ADHD - and he got a statement AND proper support for the poor parents who had been tearing their hair out for years (I think he was in year 5 when finally diagnosed) practically unable to cope.
So to come right back to the OP's question: FIVE children in ONE family all with ADHD???? I'd start looking at the parents.....
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Whoops! Forgot to mention something which is Internet-Related: a lot of the 'self-diagnosis' type websites which offer 'help' to suffering parents are based in the USA and use the American testing system for assessing whether a child has ADHD.
If using the American system instead of the one used in most of Europe there is a much higher 'occurrence' (let's be kind, eh) of a diagnosis of ADHD. From memory, I think it is somewhere between 3-5 times more likely with the US system.
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My son has aspergers an was diagnosed with adhd and he has learned to control it as he has got older people who have children with adhd know the difference between a child who has it and one who doesnt through experience. |
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"Wherever you go in modern society you meet parents who say that their child has been diagnosed as A D H D.
Is this a fashionable piece of terminology which was deemed "naughty" child in our childhood ?
Was it misdiagnosed in past generations or is it a label by which kids can be difficult and hold their hands up to proclaim "not me guv it's the A D H D?"
I saw a piece on the tv news re this new benefits rule and a lady proclaimed that ALL five of her kids have A D H D.
What are the chances of that ?
Ignoring all the other comments on this thread and answering the OP's question directly.... Almost incalculable.
It's one thing for the lady in question to 'proclaim' her five children all have ADHD, but it's quite another for them ALL to have been fully diagnosed.
When I was a School Governor we had a considerable number of parents actually trying to get their children statemented on the 'claim' that they had ADHD. So... I did a bit of reading up on the subject, which anyone can do.
When presented with the fact that in more than 75% of cases, true ADHD is genetic (ie. inherited from the parents) a considerable number dropped their claim. Hmmm, surpised?
Then, when presented with one of the key tests to identify it (the first signs must have presented themselves before the age of seven) again, a large number dropped their 'claim'.
Eventually, we whittled it down to 'maybe' 3 to 5 children in a given year (the intake was 120ish in this school) who seemed to have all the correct indicators as to justify putting them forward for assessment - which is lengthy and (during the mid 00's) required re-assessment over a period of months in case the 'symptoms' miraculously disappeared - and they were assessed by clinicians. The result, in one year which sticks in my memory, was that just ONE child out of 120 was diagnosed with ADHD - and he got a statement AND proper support for the poor parents who had been tearing their hair out for years (I think he was in year 5 when finally diagnosed) practically unable to cope.
So to come right back to the OP's question: FIVE children in ONE family all with ADHD???? I'd start looking at the parents.....
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"To be fair I think this thread is aimed at people who use it as an excuse. Not people who genuinely suffer from it.
This is the chap who grasped my personal take on the subject matter.
Well spotted Sir i think people purposely misread thread just to have a go at people
or some post in a contentious manner to kick things off then pretend when they get pulled up on it, that hey it was all a jolly wheeze..
what ho, such fun.."
I haven't been "pulled up" on any aspect of my original topic posting.
I have initiated a debate which is the intent of a forum is it not ?
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"To be fair I think this thread is aimed at people who use it as an excuse. Not people who genuinely suffer from it.
This is the chap who grasped my personal take on the subject matter.
Well spotted Sir i think people purposely misread thread just to have a go at people
or some post in a contentious manner to kick things off then pretend when they get pulled up on it, that hey it was all a jolly wheeze..
what ho, such fun..
I haven't been "pulled up" on any aspect of my original topic posting.
I have initiated a debate which is the intent of a forum is it not ?
;-)"
Think the OP presented a well-constructed opening to a debate. No more than that. Nice to see it on here.
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I suspect that most of these kids could do with dropping the H and rearranging the remainder.
Hint : DAD
A few more of them around and it may, i emphasise may, improve the situation, even cure it.
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"To be fair I think this thread is aimed at people who use it as an excuse. Not people who genuinely suffer from it.
This is the chap who grasped my personal take on the subject matter.
Well spotted Sir i think people purposely misread thread just to have a go at people
or some post in a contentious manner to kick things off then pretend when they get pulled up on it, that hey it was all a jolly wheeze..
what ho, such fun..
I haven't been "pulled up" on any aspect of my original topic posting.
I have initiated a debate which is the intent of a forum is it not ?
;-)
Think the OP presented a well-constructed opening to a debate. No more than that. Nice to see it on here.
ted."
Thank you kindly Ted and Ruby and both of your contributions on this subject matter are much appreciated.
Surely we need a mix of the serious issues along with the nonsense threads ?
Otherwise the forums would be chock a block with only questions a la " Do you have a fetish for sniffing cum?"
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"To be fair I think this thread is aimed at people who use it as an excuse. Not people who genuinely suffer from it.
This is the chap who grasped my personal take on the subject matter.
Well spotted Sir i think people purposely misread thread just to have a go at people
or some post in a contentious manner to kick things off then pretend when they get pulled up on it, that hey it was all a jolly wheeze..
what ho, such fun..
I haven't been "pulled up" on any aspect of my original topic posting.
I have initiated a debate which is the intent of a forum is it not ?
;-)
Think the OP presented a well-constructed opening to a debate. No more than that. Nice to see it on here.
ted.
Thank you kindly Ted and Ruby and both of your contributions on this subject matter are much appreciated.
Surely we need a mix of the serious issues along with the nonsense threads ?
Otherwise the forums would be chock a block with only questions a la " Do you have a fetish for sniffing cum?"
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My interpretion of this thread is that the OP that he was merely posing a question for discussion. Why shouldn't we have some stimulating and contentious questions. I am sure that the OP had no knowledge of whose children have been diagnosed with this disorder and not a personal attack.
In answer to the question I do believe that some parents' bad parenting is the cause of childrens behaviour. Those who have been through an assessment process, diagnosed and given medication are of course suffering from this disorder. |
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"My interpretion of this thread is that the OP that he was merely posing a question for discussion. Why shouldn't we have some stimulating and contentious questions. I am sure that the OP had no knowledge of whose children have been diagnosed with this disorder and not a personal attack.
In answer to the question I do believe that some parents' bad parenting is the cause of childrens behaviour. Those who have been through an assessment process, diagnosed and given medication are of course suffering from this disorder. "
Thank you.
You have correctly interpreted my thread intent.
You have also expressed an opinion that I subscribe to |
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My middle son has various learning difficulties & I've found it very hard to get him diagnosed til this past 6mnths.... He's now 9 & the school & my friends are amazed at how well behaved he is "a testament to you"
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Some people don't half talk sh1te
ADHD is a real disorder and in order to be diagnosed tests have to be done
Which diagnose ADHD or not as it were
Yes some parents will try and play the ADHD card to get more benefits but believe me if they haven't got it they won't be diagnosed with it !
Technology is improving all the time that identifies these disorders !
I have worked with kids who have ADHD and when they take their medication they are fine .. You telling me these kids just give it a few hours an then stop " dicking around" ? Bullshit!
Alcohol fetal syndrome disorder is a big one that most people have no idea about !
Been on training and it opened my eyes as to the damage this can do to children and now I can see this in kids ! It's scary
All the people claiming its naughty kids
Get a grip of yourselves !! |
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"Wherever you go in modern society you meet parents who say that their child has been diagnosed as A D H D.
Is this a fashionable piece of terminology which was deemed "naughty" child in our childhood ?
Was it misdiagnosed in past generations or is it a label by which kids can be difficult and hold their hands up to proclaim "not me guv it's the A D H D?"
I saw a piece on the tv news re this new benefits rule and a lady proclaimed that ALL five of her kids have A D H D.
What are the chances of that ?
BS. While some children have this illness, some children are just plain unruly and ADHD is a cop out for parents who don't want to want to be held accountable for such disruptive behaviour."
Agreed.
I heard someone say recently 'when was the last time you heard someone say to a kid 'stop showing off' '. It was something I was told all the time when I was a kid when being a pain in the arse. |
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Not sure anybody has disputed if it's a real condition?
But it is in with a list of conditions that allow *some* people to excuse shitty behaviour and/or lifestyle. It's part of a broader cultural problem that increasingly allows people to avoid accepting personal responsibility and instead hide behind excuses for all manner of things. |
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There are many reasons for a person having the label ADHD, some biological but unfortunately all too often it is environmental factors which can explain people's behaviours. We are in an age now where many parents have not had the experience of quality meaningful parenting themselves. Therefore, the cycle repeats itself with children not having good role models. All this has an effect on a child's behaviour. If and when a label is given of ADHD it is all too easy to then blame behaviours on the label......diagnostic overshadowing. Society needs to engage these and potential future parents to provide education and parenting skills in order to, hopefully, break the cycle. |
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