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"800 scientists 6 years work to come up with the conclusion that Humans are PARTLEY to blame for rising temperatures Yet temperatures haven't risen since 1998 Crock of shit ! " Correct me if I'm wrong but scientists are very cautious people. They only make absolute statements very rarely. And then they call them "scientific laws". Everything else is postulation and theory. Theory's being things that have been tested and not proven wrong. 800 scientists 6 years and they all agree we ARE warming the planet. Maybe rather than dismissing them with such a derisory statement as "Crock of shit !" "And the planet has always been unstable with rises and falls in temperature" Those who feel that everything is OK should find out when we last had the levels of CO2 in the atmosphere we have now, and when we last know for sure that there was no ice at the poles. Think you may find the answer is in THOUSANDS of MILLIONS of years! Sort of round the tome life first started in the oceans.  | |||
"It's making millions for the right people,but the few changes we are expected to make are not going to make a bit of a difference, " Here here tax generating agenda trumped up by the Eton boys network who been killing the uk for years. The planet is being itself. But recycling and car fumes reduction for common sense and health purposes is good. | |||
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"Global warming is a fact.stop reading the daily mail.they cherry pick evidence to suit their view. Its real and it us causing it.there is tonnes of research on it." Scientists admit they don't have all the facts yet but, if we give them lots more research money, they might come up with a better answer next time. Surprise, surprise. | |||
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"Global warming will never be proven or disproven... We are in a warm blip... And the planet fluctuates between warm and cold... We may have made a slight difference but mostly it's used to tax us. " Spot on!  | |||
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"It's making millions for the right people,but the few changes we are expected to make are not going to make a bit of a difference, Here here tax generating agenda trumped up by the Eton boys network who been killing the uk for years. The planet is being itself. But recycling and car fumes reduction for common sense and health purposes is good. " well thats a new one on me lol. thatcher has been blamed for everything since she was in power (although according to someone i spoke to, she was also to blame for the 1912 uprising in dublin, but i never got to the base of that story either lol) and now, the taxes on global warming, that has been around since politicians got something to sink their money grabbing teeth into, is the fault of call me dave and clegg!!! brilliant!!! you really couldnt make it up | |||
"It's making millions for the right people,but the few changes we are expected to make are not going to make a bit of a difference, Here here tax generating agenda trumped up by the Eton boys network who been killing the uk for years. The planet is being itself. But recycling and car fumes reduction for common sense and health purposes is good. " this is spot on | |||
"It's making millions for the right people,but the few changes we are expected to make are not going to make a bit of a difference, Here here tax generating agenda trumped up by the Eton boys network who been killing the uk for years. The planet is being itself. But recycling and car fumes reduction for common sense and health purposes is good. " this is spot on | |||
"I love having a laugh at climate change deniers. They think there is still a debate to be had. Its like having a debate with a flat earth believer.its been proven they are wrong but still bang the drum. The planet is getting warmer because of our love of fossil fuels. If you are happy believing the petro chem lobbying groups and all the right Wing cunts in America where denial mainly comes from.feel free to. What happens if we change our ways? What if we don't? Have a look at predicted sea level maps after the ice melts even more than it already has." | |||
"I love having a laugh at climate change deniers. They think there is still a debate to be had. Its like having a debate with a flat earth believer.its been proven they are wrong but still bang the drum. The planet is getting warmer because of our love of fossil fuels. If you are happy believing the petro chem lobbying groups and all the right Wing cunts in America where denial mainly comes from.feel free to. What happens if we change our ways? What if we don't? Have a look at predicted sea level maps after the ice melts even more than it already has." | |||
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"800 scientists 6 years work to come up with the conclusion that Humans are PARTLEY to blame for rising temperatures Yet temperatures haven't risen since 1998 Crock of shit ! " You obviously speak with such authority and your PhD is in what subject? | |||
"800 scientists 6 years work to come up with the conclusion that Humans are PARTLEY to blame for rising temperatures Yet temperatures haven't risen since 1998 Crock of shit ! " i agree its just a way of getting more tax out of us bloody cows / animals in general cause damage than humans with the methane that they omit from their backsides | |||
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"800 scientists 6 years work to come up with the conclusion that Humans are PARTLEY to blame for rising temperatures Yet temperatures haven't risen since 1998 Crock of shit ! " Except for the politicians who will harp on endlessly on how they have to tax us to save the planet | |||
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"800 scientists 6 years work to come up with the conclusion that Humans are PARTLEY to blame for rising temperatures Yet temperatures haven't risen since 1998 Crock of shit ! i agree its just a way of getting more tax out of us bloody cows / animals in general cause damage than humans with the methane that they omit from their backsides " Er......ya gone a bit cockeyed there! WHY are there soooo many cows???? To supply the HUMAN food chain!  | |||
"800 scientists 6 years work to come up with the conclusion that Humans are PARTLEY to blame for rising temperatures Yet temperatures haven't risen since 1998 Crock of shit ! i agree its just a way of getting more tax out of us bloody cows / animals in general cause damage than humans with the methane that they omit from their backsides Er......ya gone a bit cockeyed there! WHY are there soooo many cows???? To supply the HUMAN food chain! "Haa
I think he sounds like a daily fail reader.
Cows cause more damage than humans haha.
People should want to keep in check the amount of shit we put into the atmosphere.
Its not even a debate any more,we are causing the planet to warm.
The signs are there already with the eratic weather.
So many self proclaimed experts and scientists on here.
Listen to the experts,they say its us.
They are not the government trying to get more money. | |||
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"ok, scientists are given HUGE subsidies to do this kind of research. what has been released? the 'fact' that they are 95% sure the humans MAY be the largest contributor to climate change (notice it has changed from global warming, because temps actually fluctuate rather than just get warmer). no figures released. so lets make it very simplistic. if there are ONLU 5 contributing factors to climate change, doesnt matter what they are, only the amount, then, that means humanity only has to contribute a minimum of 21% tot he whole thing to be considered the dominant cause. so, lets say, the arse trumping plant of madagascar contributes 20% of the cause, in actuality, this single plant life is worse for the environment from its wee bolthole in madagascar, than humans that inhabit the entire surface of the planet. again, VERY simplistic, but a basis for the 'facts' that have been released. and no, i dont read the daily mail!" | |||
"800 scientists 6 years work to come up with the conclusion that Humans are PARTLEY to blame for rising temperatures Yet temperatures haven't risen since 1998 Crock of shit ! i agree its just a way of getting more tax out of us bloody cows / animals in general cause damage than humans with the methane that they omit from their backsides Er......ya gone a bit cockeyed there! WHY are there soooo many cows???? To supply the HUMAN food chain!
Haa
I think he sounds like a daily fail reader.
Cows cause more damage than humans haha.
People should want to keep in check the amount of shit we put into the atmosphere.
Its not even a debate any more,we are causing the planet to warm.
The signs are there already with the eratic weather.
So many self proclaimed experts and scientists on here.
Listen to the experts,they say its us.
They are not the government trying to get more money."You've mentioned the Daily "Fail" a few times now. Do you work for an opposition paper? Are the Daily Mail responsible for global warming? If you think they are I will start buying the Mirror instead  | |||
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"So what paper can I buy that informs me without being biased ?" private eye lol | |||
" no figures released. "
Cant be bothered with the rest of your crap, but this bit I just cant let go!
800 scientists have just published a paper!
It's not a letter to the local rag! It's a Scientific Paper! It lists every experiment carried out, how they were done and with what and ALL THE RESULTS!
It's called the "scientific method" and it is subject to "pier review" that's where other scientists repeat the experiments and retake measurements and compare the results.
And Just so there can be no mistake that's why its needed 6 years and 800 scientists! Everything has been checked and rechecked!
One or three questions on a related subject.
Do you or have you smoked tobacco?
If yes:
When the dreaded scientists were telling you that smoking increased the risk of lung, throat and mouth cancer. did you believe them or the tobacco companies?
Do you think that maybe the tobacco companies lied to you in order to line their pockets at the expense of your health?
Back on subject (sort of): Has it ever occurred to you that maybe the petrochemical industry is destroying the atmosphere to line their own pockets and your one of the saps whose swallowing their propaganda rather like millions kept puffing the fags all the way to the grave because they where told there was no proof of the link between tobacco and cancer? | |||
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" Do you work for an beneficiary organisation?" No,I just think we owe future generations a planet like we know it. Surely that is only normal? | |||
"Is the climate changing? Yes. Is mankind to blame? Partly. Will green taxes in Britain and Europe change anything? Not a jot. Meanwhile our industrial competitiveness is being crushed by "green" regulation and unnecessary "green" costs, millions are being driven into fuel poverty, and there is a fair chance of power cuts in the not too distant future. While we are busy tilting at (bloody useless) windmills the Chinese are building coal fired power stations at an alarming rate. Oh and before anyone jumps up shouting blame the Tory boys and the Eton toffs Etc. It might just be worth remembering who signed us up to the carbon targets that are at the root of the problem. Yes you guessed it, the former energy secretary who is now promising to freeze bills. Mr Ed Milliband hypocrite in chief of the hypocrisy party." Well said . | |||
" no figures released.
Cant be bothered with the rest of your crap, but this bit I just cant let go!
800 scientists have just published a paper!
It's not a letter to the local rag! It's a Scientific Paper! It lists every experiment carried out, how they were done and with what and ALL THE RESULTS!
It's called the "scientific method" and it is subject to "pier review" that's where other scientists repeat the experiments and retake measurements and compare the results.
And Just so there can be no mistake that's why its needed 6 years and 800 scientists! Everything has been checked and rechecked!
One or three questions on a related subject.
Do you or have you smoked tobacco?
If yes:
When the dreaded scientists were telling you that smoking increased the risk of lung, throat and mouth cancer. did you believe them or the tobacco companies?
Do you think that maybe the tobacco companies lied to you in order to line their pockets at the expense of your health?
Back on subject (sort of): Has it ever occurred to you that maybe the petrochemical industry is destroying the atmosphere to line their own pockets and your one of the saps whose swallowing their propaganda rather like millions kept puffing the fags all the way to the grave because they where told there was no proof of the link between tobacco and cancer?"never smoked, filthy habit. i dont believe everything i hear, and only part of everything i read. again, until figures are released to the public, without having to read through thousands of pages of gobbledegook i believe what i believe, you do waht you want, and i will feel no lesser about you personally than you do about me. however, much like cancer charities, it is NOT in scientists best interests to say this isnt happening/its not huminities fault, as, using your example of tabacco companies talking to line their own pockets, hundreds of millions in grants and subsidies are given to scientists each year, to find out how much we are causing it, IF we are causing it, how much tax can be charged to stop it, blah blah blah, so if you want to read, and believe, the words of people, on the other side of the fence, that are lining their pockets by doing this research, then by all means go right ahead. have never seen a poor scientist though. have you? | |||
"800 scientists 6 years work to come up with the conclusion that Humans are PARTLEY to blame for rising temperatures Yet temperatures haven't risen since 1998 Crock of shit ! You obviously speak with such authority and your PhD is in what subject? " I've got 3 Common sense Shagging Spotting bullshit a mile away | |||
" no figures released.
Cant be bothered with the rest of your crap, but this bit I just cant let go!
800 scientists have just published a paper!
It's not a letter to the local rag! It's a Scientific Paper! It lists every experiment carried out, how they were done and with what and ALL THE RESULTS!
It's called the "scientific method" and it is subject to "pier review" that's where other scientists repeat the experiments and retake measurements and compare the results.
And Just so there can be no mistake that's why its needed 6 years and 800 scientists! Everything has been checked and rechecked!
One or three questions on a related subject.
Do you or have you smoked tobacco?
If yes:
When the dreaded scientists were telling you that smoking increased the risk of lung, throat and mouth cancer. did you believe them or the tobacco companies?
Do you think that maybe the tobacco companies lied to you in order to line their pockets at the expense of your health?
Back on subject (sort of): Has it ever occurred to you that maybe the petrochemical industry is destroying the atmosphere to line their own pockets and your one of the saps whose swallowing their propaganda rather like millions kept puffing the fags all the way to the grave because they where told there was no proof of the link between tobacco and cancer?
never smoked, filthy habit.
i dont believe everything i hear, and only part of everything i read.
again, until figures are released to the public, without having to read through thousands of pages of gobbledegook i believe what i believe, you do waht you want, and i will feel no lesser about you personally than you do about me.
however, much like cancer charities, it is NOT in scientists best interests to say this isnt happening/its not huminities fault, as, using your example of tabacco companies talking to line their own pockets, hundreds of millions in grants and subsidies are given to scientists each year, to find out how much we are causing it, IF we are causing it, how much tax can be charged to stop it, blah blah blah, so if you want to read, and believe, the words of people, on the other side of the fence, that are lining their pockets by doing this research, then by all means go right ahead.
have never seen a poor scientist though. have you?"No, also have you seen a railway engineer become the lead of said scientists ?. Rajendra K. Pachauri , commanding the IPCC , much more grandiose than building a railway eh ?. | |||
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"never smoked, filthy habit. i dont believe everything i hear, and only part of everything i read. again, until figures are released to the public, without having to read through thousands of pages of gobbledegook i believe what i believe, you do waht you want, and i will feel no lesser about you personally than you do about me. however, much like cancer charities, it is NOT in scientists best interests to say this isnt happening/its not huminities fault, as, using your example of tabacco companies talking to line their own pockets, hundreds of millions in grants and subsidies are given to scientists each year, to find out how much we are causing it, IF we are causing it, how much tax can be charged to stop it, blah blah blah, so if you want to read, and believe, the words of people, on the other side of the fence, that are lining their pockets by doing this research, then by all means go right ahead. have never seen a poor scientist though. have you?" OK, I can fully accept you argument about gobbledygook (great word by the way) and its volume. But it is not written for us it is written for other scientists so they can repeat, redesign and build on the work already done. We have to trust them to explain it too us or become specialists in every research field ourselves. Scientists argue, scientists are a belligerent group of egotists, but they are probably the most honest and open-minded people in the world (you dont learn if you cant accept that you can get it wrong). And my experience of blue-sky research is your success or failure is not measured in proving your right or wrong but by extending knowledge by reaching provable conclusions by taking consistent measurements and observations from repeatable experiments. No matter the premise at the start of a piece of research provided a scientist is successful as laid out above they will always find funding for research. It's when they falsify data or results that the money dries up. As for rich scientists, I know a couple of research physicists who used to work in Daresbury before it closed down and they did not earn a lot. I also know a research assistant who works in Salford Uni, she earns less than £18,000 a year. However I also know a lady who is a research chemist working for Lever Bro's formulating new cleaning products, now she earns a fortune but not as much as the guy who works for Zenica in Alderley Park designing drugs. So yes there are some scientists who make a lot of money (I know 2) but most work in universities, dont get the students holidays and earn less than the checkout girl in Lidl (they get £9.50 an hour after 3 years). | |||
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"Global warming is a fact.stop reading the daily mail.they cherry pick evidence to suit their view. Its real and it us causing it.there is tonnes of research on it. Scientists admit they don't have all the facts yet but, if we give them lots more research money, they might come up with a better answer next time. Surprise, surprise." When I wrote the above about research money, I wasn't talking about it going to individual scientists but to institutions. Few scientists make much money unless you get on the telly or win a Nobel Prize. | |||
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"It is amazing how many environmental scientists are members of a swingers site. Truly amazing. "Haha, exactly. I think I'll go with what actual qualified experts are saying on the subject rather than all you 'it's just a tax scam!' folks. Most governments are doing very little to fight climate change. | |||
"I often hold my head in my hands when reading the forums but there really isn't a facepalm big enough for this thread. Science should be an all or nothing thing, don't believe that global warming is real - fine, but no antibiotics, aeroplanes or Internet for you. Evolution is bollocks too you say - fine, give us back your car and all that electricity you like so much. Science is done by people much much smarter than most of us, many are bonafide geniuses who dedicate their lives to the pursuit of knowledge for the sake of knowledge, not to line their pockets like the politicians and media do. " | |||
"never smoked, filthy habit. i dont believe everything i hear, and only part of everything i read. again, until figures are released to the public, without having to read through thousands of pages of gobbledegook i believe what i believe, you do waht you want, and i will feel no lesser about you personally than you do about me. however, much like cancer charities, it is NOT in scientists best interests to say this isnt happening/its not huminities fault, as, using your example of tabacco companies talking to line their own pockets, hundreds of millions in grants and subsidies are given to scientists each year, to find out how much we are causing it, IF we are causing it, how much tax can be charged to stop it, blah blah blah, so if you want to read, and believe, the words of people, on the other side of the fence, that are lining their pockets by doing this research, then by all means go right ahead. have never seen a poor scientist though. have you?OK, I can fully accept you argument about gobbledygook (great word by the way) and its volume. But it is not written for us it is written for other scientists so they can repeat, redesign and build on the work already done. We have to trust them to explain it too us or become specialists in every research field ourselves. Scientists argue, scientists are a belligerent group of egotists, but they are probably the most honest and open-minded people in the world (you dont learn if you cant accept that you can get it wrong). And my experience of blue-sky research is your success or failure is not measured in proving your right or wrong but by extending knowledge by reaching provable conclusions by taking consistent measurements and observations from repeatable experiments. No matter the premise at the start of a piece of research provided a scientist is successful as laid out above they will always find funding for research. It's when they falsify data or results that the money dries up." im suprised gobbledegook never showed up on my spell checker. lol. as for scientists being open minded and honest, generally, they arent lol. they come up with a theory and make the 'facts' fit it, especially theoretical scientists. there is no foundation for string theory, or dark matter making up the majority of 'space', or the higgs bosun, but someone somewhere has decided that each of these things exists and needs a heck of a wedge to prove it. all science is based on theory until it is proven. | |||
"never smoked, filthy habit. i dont believe everything i hear, and only part of everything i read. again, until figures are released to the public, without having to read through thousands of pages of gobbledegook i believe what i believe, you do waht you want, and i will feel no lesser about you personally than you do about me. however, much like cancer charities, it is NOT in scientists best interests to say this isnt happening/its not huminities fault, as, using your example of tabacco companies talking to line their own pockets, hundreds of millions in grants and subsidies are given to scientists each year, to find out how much we are causing it, IF we are causing it, how much tax can be charged to stop it, blah blah blah, so if you want to read, and believe, the words of people, on the other side of the fence, that are lining their pockets by doing this research, then by all means go right ahead. have never seen a poor scientist though. have you?OK, I can fully accept you argument about gobbledygook (great word by the way) and its volume. But it is not written for us it is written for other scientists so they can repeat, redesign and build on the work already done. We have to trust them to explain it too us or become specialists in every research field ourselves. Scientists argue, scientists are a belligerent group of egotists, but they are probably the most honest and open-minded people in the world (you dont learn if you cant accept that you can get it wrong). And my experience of blue-sky research is your success or failure is not measured in proving your right or wrong but by extending knowledge by reaching provable conclusions by taking consistent measurements and observations from repeatable experiments. No matter the premise at the start of a piece of research provided a scientist is successful as laid out above they will always find funding for research. It's when they falsify data or results that the money dries up. im suprised gobbledegook never showed up on my spell checker. lol. as for scientists being open minded and honest, generally, they arent lol. they come up with a theory and make the 'facts' fit it, especially theoretical scientists. there is no foundation for string theory, or dark matter making up the majority of 'space', or the higgs bosun, but someone somewhere has decided that each of these things exists and needs a heck of a wedge to prove it. all science is based on theory until it is proven." I think you need to look up what the word theory actually means when related to science. And the Higgs boson does exist. | |||
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"ah, words have different meanings depending on what job you are in? that explains the payscale then. "[Scientific theories are the most reliable, rigorous, and comprehensive form of scientific knowledge.This is significantly different from the word "theory" in common usage, which implies that something is unsubstantiated or speculative.] The word theory is not used lightly by scientists. Gravity is "just a theory". | |||
"One fact is that the worlds population has doubled in the last 30 years & the Co2 sucking rainforests have halved - yeah, we're alright Jack - but our great, great grandkids????????????????????? A few years ago, Richard Branson & other knobs were offering several million to anyone who could come up with a viable method to reduce Co2; when a primary school kid could have told them the answer; Instead of depleting forests - plant some more - SIMPLES!" and murder everyones first born!!! although thats a joke, i really wouldnt mind in our family. my older brother is a dick of the highest order lol | |||
"ah, words have different meanings depending on what job you are in? that explains the payscale then. "Indeed they do. A hooker's punter isn't the same as a bookie's punter. | |||
"ah, words have different meanings depending on what job you are in? that explains the payscale then.
Indeed they do. A hooker's punter isn't the same as a bookie's punter.
"yes they are. both clients that dont mind being taken for a ride while handing over their hard earned lol | |||
"there is no foundation for string theory, or dark matter making up the majority of 'space', or the higgs bosun, but someone somewhere has decided that each of these things exists and needs a heck of a wedge to prove it. all science is based on theory until it is proven." I think we will agree to differ in our view of scientists. But as for the above. String Theory is the best explanation of what has been observed, dark matter and energy are postulations to explain more unexplained observations. We know there is something there but we dont know what, so until we find it we will call it "Jerald" "No" "if we call it jerald people will laugh!" "You name it then" "OK... lets call it... Dark matter" no one will laugh at that... As for the Hick's, you dont know what Cern is for if you think it was built to discover some more sub-atomic particles. They are the spin-off freebies | |||
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"AS many have sadi, the climate is changing - it always does, it always has. The case for androgynous global warming is far from proven. 800 scientists is by no means the the total of all scientists qualified to have an opinion. There is much dissent amongst the scientific community, but the sceptics get less press and have less influence. The IPCC fabricated the figures - check it out it's all on line - I've read some of their FORTRAN code where they put multipliers on the data for no reason, save to try and get it to fit the hockey stick. The press is being managed, the name has changed to climate change, the predictions are being softened. My analysis of the data, when viewed over the last 100,000 years or so is that there's no significant evidence that anything unusual is going on yet. We certainly haven't reached the levels of warming that have happened several times in the past, nor is the rate of change anything unusual. That being said, I'm a closet hippy at heart, I believe in being kind to the planet. I hate that we burn non renewable fossil fuels instead of investing more in renewables. We need to get off oil for a whole host of reasons. Speaking as a scientist, my view is, and has been for 30 years or more, that the sheeple are being sold a crock of shit. There are several agendas at play. Science never has been nor ever will be a definitive set of rules and laws. The more we learn, the more questions it leads to. Scientific laws are modified and sometimes rejected on an ongoing basis, some are found only to be true in certain circumstances and therefore, are not absolute. We simply do not have the computing power, knowledge and expertise to make anything like accurate predictions about our climate - there are too many variables to factor in and their behaviour is not sufficiently understood. Opinions are cheap, everyone has loads and they're always trying to give you theirs. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but those opinions that are less informed, have less value and validity. " And as I started the thread I think the above quote deserves to end it Well said !!!!! | |||
