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Yeah, only working 39 weeks of the year.
Oh, and having posher holidays (higher price) than the rest of us.  "
Ah the fable of the school teachers life  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Yeah, only working 39 weeks of the year.
Oh, and having posher holidays (higher price) than the rest of us.
Holidays which they are not paid for and cannot choose."
Surely not, wouldn't it be unlawful for their employers to not pay at least statutory holiday pay?
Those teachers i know very well all say they get paid an ANNUAL salary. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Yeah, only working 39 weeks of the year.
Oh, and having posher holidays (higher price) than the rest of us.
Holidays which they are not paid for and cannot choose.
Surely not, wouldn't it be unlawful for their employers to not pay at least statutory holiday pay?
Those teachers i know very well all say they get paid an ANNUAL salary. "
Lets not start a debate on this .. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Got to be everyone's fantasy at one time or another
I just wanna live that fantasy  "
Listen you don't need a teacher for that .. sure there are plenty of women who will do role play with you |
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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago
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Yeah, only working 39 weeks of the year.
Oh, and having posher holidays (higher price) than the rest of us.
Holidays which they are not paid for and cannot choose.
Surely not, wouldn't it be unlawful for their employers to not pay at least statutory holiday pay?
Those teachers i know very well all say they get paid an ANNUAL salary. "
Teachers are paid only for their contracted hours - this is their directed time. It could have been paid as a lump sum but instead is paid in 12 monthly installments. This is why people THINK they are paid for holidays. Even some young teachers believe it. But it's not the case. They are not paid for coming in early, staying late or working evenings and weekends at home. All of this is unpaid work. |
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Yeah, only working 39 weeks of the year.
Oh, and having posher holidays (higher price) than the rest of us.
Holidays which they are not paid for and cannot choose.
Surely not, wouldn't it be unlawful for their employers to not pay at least statutory holiday pay?
Those teachers i know very well all say they get paid an ANNUAL salary.
Teachers are paid only for their contracted hours - this is their directed time. It could have been paid as a lump sum but instead is paid in 12 monthly installments. This is why people THINK they are paid for holidays. Even some young teachers believe it. But it's not the case. They are not paid for coming in early, staying late or working evenings and weekends at home. All of this is unpaid work."
This is right. Anyone working in a school term time is paid for 39 weeks and that is spread out over 52 weeks in 12 monthly payments. |
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This is right. Anyone working in a school term time is paid for 39 weeks and that is spread out over 52 weeks in 12 monthly payments. "
True, that is the black and white of it. But, it's no different to people in private sector who get paid an annual salary for 48 weeks work.... The remuneration you get is based upon the expectation of outputs from your work. Not just to have time off as well
It's a bit of a non argument this. Your salary is for your work, paid over 12 months. As is private sector jobs who get paid their salary for their work over 48 weeks, also paid over 12 months.
And please don't start on the 'oh so much unpaid evening work etc' line. Someone once said to me that teaching was the only profession that doesn't pay overtime. Drivel. Many thousands of other people also work longer than contracted for no extra pay, infact, point me in the direction of a professional that doesn't...... |
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Yeah, only working 39 weeks of the year.
Oh, and having posher holidays (higher price) than the rest of us.
Holidays which they are not paid for and cannot choose.
Surely not, wouldn't it be unlawful for their employers to not pay at least statutory holiday pay?
Those teachers i know very well all say they get paid an ANNUAL salary.
Teachers are paid only for their contracted hours - this is their directed time. It could have been paid as a lump sum but instead is paid in 12 monthly installments. This is why people THINK they are paid for holidays. Even some young teachers believe it. But it's not the case. They are not paid for coming in early, staying late or working evenings and weekends at home. All of this is unpaid work.
This is right. Anyone working in a school term time is paid for 39 weeks and that is spread out over 52 weeks in 12 monthly payments. "
Plus 4 weeks holiday pay and 8 bank holidays. I get paid 43 weeks divided by 12 months.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Plus 4 weeks holiday pay and 8 bank holidays. I get paid 43 weeks divided by 12 months. "
I get paid for 48 weeks labour over 12 months. You get paid for 43 weeks labour over 12 months.
Surely no one is claiming they should be looking at an element of remuneration for sitting on a sun lounger somewhere.
We can argue all day about semantics of getting paid for holiday or not, but ultimately, we're all being paid only for our labour. If we didn't get paid for labour, we sure as heck wouldn't get paid for not being at work... |
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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago
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If it really is the fantastic, well-paid easy job with shit loads of holidays many on here seem to think why is it that 2 out of 5 new teachers leave the profession in the first 5 years of teaching? Why have recruitment levels plummeted with the potential to cause a lot of problems filling vacant teaching posts in the near future?
I mean - if teachers have such a fantastic, easy, marvelous time of it - why are there not queues at universities and a mad scramble for places?
When a profession has a recruitment crisis that is usually an indication of some very severe problems. |
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"Had many wanks thinking about doing dirty stuff with some of my old teachers"
Then you were lucky. There isn't enough Viagra in the world to make me even twitch when I think about my old teachers 
Ugly old trout's the lot of them |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"If it really is the fantastic, well-paid easy job with shit loads of holidays many on here seem to think why is it that 2 out of 5 new teachers leave the profession in the first 5 years of teaching? Why have recruitment levels plummeted with the potential to cause a lot of problems filling vacant teaching posts in the near future?
I mean - if teachers have such a fantastic, easy, marvelous time of it - why are there not queues at universities and a mad scramble for places?
When a profession has a recruitment crisis that is usually an indication of some very severe problems."
That's despite high achieving graduates given a nice start up bonus to sweeten the deal...
The one thing most professions don't have to deal with is....continuance defiance...non compliance...hour after hour...day after day.
In most jobs, if you face such an attitude, there are procedures in place...and such behaviour doesn't last.
Schools have to keep all the non compliant students...and if in the extreme event that a child is placed on a managed move, they have to swap their naughty with that of with another school..
And if the little naughties don't make x levels of progress, the teacher is held accountable.
There are other tough jobs...teachers is certainly one of them.
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By *ugby 123Couple
over a year ago
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"If it really is the fantastic, well-paid easy job with shit loads of holidays many on here seem to think why is it that 2 out of 5 new teachers leave the profession in the first 5 years of teaching? Why have recruitment levels plummeted with the potential to cause a lot of problems filling vacant teaching posts in the near future?
I mean - if teachers have such a fantastic, easy, marvelous time of it - why are there not queues at universities and a mad scramble for places?
When a profession has a recruitment crisis that is usually an indication of some very severe problems."
I am not sure anyone said all of the above, all I see is people pointing out that teachers get a lot of holidays. |
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"If it really is the fantastic, well-paid easy job with shit loads of holidays many on here seem to think why is it that 2 out of 5 new teachers leave the profession in the first 5 years of teaching? Why have recruitment levels plummeted with the potential to cause a lot of problems filling vacant teaching posts in the near future?
I mean - if teachers have such a fantastic, easy, marvelous time of it - why are there not queues at universities and a mad scramble for places?
When a profession has a recruitment crisis that is usually an indication of some very severe problems."
this (and yes I am) |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Perhaps I should also point out I work in education, but have come from the private sector, so have experience of both sides. Teaching is a darn hard job, I'm glad I don't do it, and I'm not demeaning those that do.
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By (user no longer on site)
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Yes related to a teacher.Works the longest hours of anyone I know.
At school for 7.30am. Often there until 8pm.Then home marking/preparation until midnight.
Takes Saturdays off and all day Sunday devoted to preparing for the week ahead.
An incredibly tough job and I for one would not swap places |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Yes related to a teacher.Works the longest hours of anyone I know.
At school for 7.30am. Often there until 8pm.Then home marking/preparation until midnight.
Takes Saturdays off and all day Sunday devoted to preparing for the week ahead.
An incredibly tough job and I for one would not swap places"
With those kind of hours you do have to ask how effective you're being...... As above, I agree it's an almost impossible job, and I wouldn't choose to do it either. But, those kind of hours cannot be conducive to good work. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I see it as dedicated and over burdened by government burocrassy.
Hence the number of people who enter the proffesion from the private sector, cant hack it and scurry back.
Of course I could suggest they become more effetive by not attending staff meetings, parents evenings and after school clubs aswell as not prepaing work or marking the work that has been done. I suspect the head might not be so keen though.
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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago
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"I see it as dedicated and over burdened by government burocrassy.
Hence the number of people who enter the proffesion from the private sector, cant hack it and scurry back.
Of course I could suggest they become more effetive by not attending staff meetings, parents evenings and after school clubs aswell as not prepaing work or marking the work that has been done. I suspect the head might not be so keen though.
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Teachers are contracted to fulfil a certain number of hours called 'directed time'. This includes staff meetings and parents evenings. They cannot refuse to attend these. They are obligated to mark and plan. These are the fundamental priorities. If they don't do this they can be disciplined and sacked. They have 3 hours in their timetables to do this. However, one set of books takes more than an hour to mark and they can have 6 sets plus to mark. Planning also takes up a considerable amount of time. Unlike years ago when teaching was done with text books this is not so today. Teachers must create their own resources and these must also be differentiated for different abilities within each class meaning that there have to be 3 versions of one worksheet for different levels of ability in one class alone. Then multiply that by the number of lesdons and classes and that explains why teachers work the hours they do.
Gone are the days when teachers could just write questions or exercises on a board and tell a class to get on with it like when I was at school. |
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By *aceytopWoman
over a year ago
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Yeah, only working 39 weeks of the year.
Oh, and having posher holidays (higher price) than the rest of us.
Holidays which they are not paid for and cannot choose.
Surely not, wouldn't it be unlawful for their employers to not pay at least statutory holiday pay?
Those teachers i know very well all say they get paid an ANNUAL salary.
Teachers are paid only for their contracted hours - this is their directed time. It could have been paid as a lump sum but instead is paid in 12 monthly installments. This is why people THINK they are paid for holidays. Even some young teachers believe it. But it's not the case. They are not paid for coming in early, staying late or working evenings and weekends at home. All of this is unpaid work."
neither am I and im not a teacher |
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I wouldn't teach secondary or FE. I've taught FE in the past, but spent most of my career in the private sector until I retired 10 years ago. I recently started teaching post grads at a university, part time, term time only. I only get paid for the hours I work.
My ex did the right thing, she knows nothing, her English is poor, her Maths is non existent, her science knowledge is beyond dire. Thank heavens for yoghurt as it's the only culture she gets.
She somehow managed to get a BEd, and is now a deputy head at a primary school on £45k. She's in charge of IT because she can touch type, so it looks like she's a whizz, but she knows next to nothing about computers. She has one day a week for prep, when she goes shopping and meets her friends for lunch. Pays my son to do her marking (such as it is for ABC, 123 level stuff), and has 13 weeks a year off taking cruises and exotic holidays.
Not a bad gig for a part time child minder. |
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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago
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Yeah, only working 39 weeks of the year.
Oh, and having posher holidays (higher price) than the rest of us.
Holidays which they are not paid for and cannot choose.
Surely not, wouldn't it be unlawful for their employers to not pay at least statutory holiday pay?
Those teachers i know very well all say they get paid an ANNUAL salary.
Teachers are paid only for their contracted hours - this is their directed time. It could have been paid as a lump sum but instead is paid in 12 monthly installments. This is why people THINK they are paid for holidays. Even some young teachers believe it. But it's not the case. They are not paid for coming in early, staying late or working evenings and weekends at home. All of this is unpaid work.neither am I and im not a teacher"
Let's say your hours are meant to be 38 per week yet EVERY week you have to do between 50-60 hours. Do that year after year and also put up with constant attacks in the media and government, and listen to the way many people who have absolutely no idea what you really have to do criticise you and your work as if you are some whining feckless shirker and then tell me if you would want to do that job for 20 years+. |
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"If it really is the fantastic, well-paid easy job with shit loads of holidays many on here seem to think why is it that 2 out of 5 new teachers leave the profession in the first 5 years of teaching? Why have recruitment levels plummeted with the potential to cause a lot of problems filling vacant teaching posts in the near future?
I mean - if teachers have such a fantastic, easy, marvelous time of it - why are there not queues at universities and a mad scramble for places?
When a profession has a recruitment crisis that is usually an indication of some very severe problems."
Chickens coming home to roost?
Maybe the candidates/graduates aren't as good as they have been led to believe they are? That they find the work, indeed training, too difficult? That their expectations were unreasonably high?
obviously, it doesn't apply to every teacher, no point made above does, but i'd wager it goes a long way to explain those who can't hack it?
What was the old saying, those that can do and those who can't teach?
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Boo Hoo - getting paid 35k upwards and having all that time off must be fucking shit! Lol
starting salary £21,805"
Starting wage on the buses varies from £17k pa. And we are responsible for upto 80 passengers each trip we do. And we have to do 35 hrs in the classroom every 5 years. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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What was the old saying, those that can do and those who can't teach?
And those that can't teach become lecturers "
And those that become very good lectures pontificate on here. |
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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago
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"Boo Hoo - getting paid 35k upwards and having all that time off must be fucking shit! Lol
starting salary £21,805
Starting wage on the buses varies from £17k pa. And we are responsible for upto 80 passengers each trip we do. And we have to do 35 hrs in the classroom every 5 years. "
So teachers should be paid the same as bus drivers. They are also responsible for the education and welfare of 100+ students for 7+ hours a week. Let's make sure they continue working 50+ hours a week at £17k and make them work for more weeks a year. Oh and also make sure that they still do their 5 years training at university.
Wow. They'll be hammering the doors in. Sounds like a brilliant job to me. And I'm sure we can safely leave the education of the next generation in the hands of such underpaid, overworked and unappreciated people.
Nice way to invest in the future of society. Yup definitely the way to go. Well that's the issue of education dealt with.
Ok next should be doctors. Or maybe solicitors. Or the police? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"If it really is the fantastic, well-paid easy job with shit loads of holidays many on here seem to think why is it that 2 out of 5 new teachers leave the profession in the first 5 years of teaching? Why have recruitment levels plummeted with the potential to cause a lot of problems filling vacant teaching posts in the near future?
I mean - if teachers have such a fantastic, easy, marvelous time of it - why are there not queues at universities and a mad scramble for places?
When a profession has a recruitment crisis that is usually an indication of some very severe problems.
Chickens coming home to roost?
Maybe the candidates/graduates aren't as good as they have been led to believe they are? That they find the work, indeed training, too difficult? That their expectations were unreasonably high?
obviously, it doesn't apply to every teacher, no point made above does, but i'd wager it goes a long way to explain those who can't hack it?
What was the old saying, those that can do and those who can't teach?
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The point is that even those that can hack it, still find it gruelling... Defiance and non-compliance, particularly in inner city schools, on an hourly basis on top of the workload...such conditions are not common in most jobs...
Also, obviously it's not as rosy as it sounds or it would be attracting more people... Despite the 'golden hello's' being offered, and the job market not being amazing, there's still a shortage.
Generally speaking, those that can't cope with the training, drop out during the training period...
I personally know teachers that have left within 2-3 years because it was too much stress and now live comfortably working either in the private sector or in the case of one good friend, teaching at 6th form instead. He still gets home at around 7-8pm most evenings and goes in during his own holidays sometimes...but the stress is not like that of secondary teaching, and he doesn't ever envisage going back.
In reality, your old saying evidently applies in reverse.
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This is right. Anyone working in a school term time is paid for 39 weeks and that is spread out over 52 weeks in 12 monthly payments.
True, that is the black and white of it. But, it's no different to people in private sector who get paid an annual salary for 48 weeks work.... The remuneration you get is based upon the expectation of outputs from your work. Not just to have time off as well
It's a bit of a non argument this. Your salary is for your work, paid over 12 months. As is private sector jobs who get paid their salary for their work over 48 weeks, also paid over 12 months.
And please don't start on the 'oh so much unpaid evening work etc' line. Someone once said to me that teaching was the only profession that doesn't pay overtime. Drivel. Many thousands of other people also work longer than contracted for no extra pay, infact, point me in the direction of a professional that doesn't......"
Firstly, didn't dispute private sector pay or what they do. And secondly I haven't said anything about teachers and their work load.
Ironic how you jump in with your opinion and then state that you don't want to hear any opinions that differ to yours when you have quoted my one and only comment on this thread, twisted it, had an imaginary debate with yourself and run away with the fairies. My only comment was a fact, backing up a previous posters comment about teachers pay rota, that is all, nothing more, nothing less.
Your post was wasted on me. |
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"I wouldn't teach secondary or FE. I've taught FE in the past, but spent most of my career in the private sector until I retired 10 years ago. I recently started teaching post grads at a university, part time, term time only. I only get paid for the hours I work.
My ex did the right thing, she knows nothing, her English is poor, her Maths is non existent, her science knowledge is beyond dire. Thank heavens for yoghurt as it's the only culture she gets.
She somehow managed to get a BEd, and is now a deputy head at a primary school on £45k. She's in charge of IT because she can touch type, so it looks like she's a whizz, but she knows next to nothing about computers. She has one day a week for prep, when she goes shopping and meets her friends for lunch. Pays my son to do her marking (such as it is for ABC, 123 level stuff), and has 13 weeks a year off taking cruises and exotic holidays.
Not a bad gig for a part time child minder."
you could have just typed the word 'ex' we could have filled in the rest. |
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"I'm curious any school teachers use this site? You can guess what sort of fantasy im thinking of
Some sort of OfSTED/Gove scenario?
ewwwwww you dirty bastard."
Do you want to try my national curriculum nipple clamps? I also have an InSET flogger and a homework policy piece of string. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Yeah, only working 39 weeks of the year.
Oh, and having posher holidays (higher price) than the rest of us.
Holidays which they are not paid for and cannot choose.
Surely not, wouldn't it be unlawful for their employers to not pay at least statutory holiday pay?
Those teachers i know very well all say they get paid an ANNUAL salary.
Teachers are paid only for their contracted hours - this is their directed time. It could have been paid as a lump sum but instead is paid in 12 monthly installments. This is why people THINK they are paid for holidays. Even some young teachers believe it. But it's not the case. They are not paid for coming in early, staying late or working evenings and weekends at home. All of this is unpaid work."
There are many other people who are also paid the same way |
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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago
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"How often are teachers changing their lesson plans?
Many other professionals work unpaid overtime but only get 4-5 weeks holiday a year. "
There are constant changrs. Every lesson means a new plan as teachers have to cater to each individual - it's called personalised learning. Some resources may be reused but not that many. |
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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago
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Yeah, only working 39 weeks of the year.
Oh, and having posher holidays (higher price) than the rest of us.
Holidays which they are not paid for and cannot choose.
Surely not, wouldn't it be unlawful for their employers to not pay at least statutory holiday pay?
Those teachers i know very well all say they get paid an ANNUAL salary.
Teachers are paid only for their contracted hours - this is their directed time. It could have been paid as a lump sum but instead is paid in 12 monthly installments. This is why people THINK they are paid for holidays. Even some young teachers believe it. But it's not the case. They are not paid for coming in early, staying late or working evenings and weekends at home. All of this is unpaid work.
There are many other people who are also paid the same way "
Good. Maybe they'd like to fill all the empty posts. |
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"If it really is the fantastic, well-paid easy job with shit loads of holidays many on here seem to think why is it that 2 out of 5 new teachers leave the profession in the first 5 years of teaching? Why have recruitment levels plummeted with the potential to cause a lot of problems filling vacant teaching posts in the near future?
I mean - if teachers have such a fantastic, easy, marvelous time of it - why are there not queues at universities and a mad scramble for places?
When a profession has a recruitment crisis that is usually an indication of some very severe problems.
That's despite high achieving graduates given a nice start up bonus to sweeten the deal...
The one thing most professions don't have to deal with is....continuance defiance...non compliance...hour after hour...day after day.
In most jobs, if you face such an attitude, there are procedures in place...and such behaviour doesn't last.
Schools have to keep all the non compliant students...and if in the extreme event that a child is placed on a managed move, they have to swap their naughty with that of with another school..
And if the little naughties don't make x levels of progress, the teacher is held accountable.
There are other tough jobs...teachers is certainly one of them.
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Prison officers deal with that on a daily basis, so do loads of care workers |
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"Boo Hoo - getting paid 35k upwards and having all that time off must be fucking shit! Lol
starting salary £21,805"
I think this is more than my oh's salary and he is 54 and been working since he was 16, manual job which he loves but pathetic money and only 4weeks holiday a year |
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"I'm curious any school teachers use this site? You can guess what sort of fantasy im thinking of"
I bet you weren't thinking of a discussion on pay and conditions, were you? I guess you could use your imagination and hope that posters are fucking as they type, which is the thinnest strand of hope I'm clinging to. Oh, and the hope that one particularly sexy couple on here might contact me. Hope springs eternal.... |
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"If it really is the fantastic, well-paid easy job with shit loads of holidays many on here seem to think why is it that 2 out of 5 new teachers leave the profession in the first 5 years of teaching? Why have recruitment levels plummeted with the potential to cause a lot of problems filling vacant teaching posts in the near future?
I mean - if teachers have such a fantastic, easy, marvelous time of it - why are there not queues at universities and a mad scramble for places?
When a profession has a recruitment crisis that is usually an indication of some very severe problems.
That's despite high achieving graduates given a nice start up bonus to sweeten the deal...
The one thing most professions don't have to deal with is....continuance defiance...non compliance...hour after hour...day after day.
In most jobs, if you face such an attitude, there are procedures in place...and such behaviour doesn't last.
Schools have to keep all the non compliant students...and if in the extreme event that a child is placed on a managed move, they have to swap their naughty with that of with another school..
And if the little naughties don't make x levels of progress, the teacher is held accountable.
There are other tough jobs...teachers is certainly one of them.
Prison officers deal with that on a daily basis, so do loads of care workers"
Absolutely agree...and I'm full of admiration for such people as dealing with constant and unrelenting defiance can be mentally most fatiguing... Particularly when you know that there's little you can do to eradicate it...other than give in and leave.
I'm aware some folks in such professions as those you've mentioned require counselling, and for some areas it's mandatory.
Even the best teachers will experience low level disruption (at least) on a regular basis...add challenging behaviour, lack of effort, poor attitude towards learning, unsupportive parents and an out of touch secretary of state and I think that makes the workload (which averages around 50 hours per week) feel much worse and far more stressful that it'd otherwise be.
Then there's OFSTED who, for a number of years recommended a ridiculous amount of singing and dancing...and would fail you if a sufficient amount wasn't displayed during a lesson observation, only to now concede that it's not at all necessary for a lesson to be effective!
I guess that's what happens when there is such a disconnect between educationalist research and state/department of education.
Ah well...Gove's received a couple of body blows in recent weeks which will hopefully slow him down and perhaps encourage him to pause for thought.
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In answer to the OPs question it looks from the responses on the thread that he will be very fortunate to find a teacher with an ounce of energy left to indulge his fantasy! |
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