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Brunei punishes gay sex with stoning to death
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Homosexuality is illegal in a surprisingly large amount of countries.
The subjugation of women and modern slavery is also surprisingly prevalent.
But let’s keep selling them weapons and using there businesses
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"I think we need to get our own house in order......
Stoning MP's ?  "
Judging by the all round fiasco and general behaviour of the last few, i think most of the are already pretty well fucking stoned  |
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Should be shown on travel Maggs and advertising for holidays like unpleasant pictures on your cigarette packets that says homosexuality is illegal and women's rights are not represented and allow people to boycott countries who have oppressive regimes.
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Its just a deterrent and stoning wouldnt be possible as the burden of proof is quite simply way too high. It’s practically impossible for that to occur in any case due to the criteria required by sharia law.  |
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By *bwplaydateMan
over a year ago
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"I think we need to get our own house in order......"
I agree, only a few short years ago, many on this site would gave ganged up on bi guys and it's only more recently that better acceptance has happened.
Don't forget that our grandparents generation were happy to agree with the Americans, Russians and Germans that homo sexual deviance means that gay people were relegated to nonhuman status, ripe for medical experimentation.
That's why after being liberated from concentration camps, gay people came back to a prison cell in the UK. No state of Israel or financial compensation for those poor souls.
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It is quite reasonable to suggest we get our own house in order, but it is already way better than Brunai. Could it be better, hell yes, but it doesn’t mean we have to accept this abhorant policy. We should boycott, we should exclude, in the same way as we did South Africa to stop apartheid. We should not just shrug our shoulders and accept this - it should have consequences. |
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By *bwplaydateMan
over a year ago
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"Religion = cult
It’s pretty good if you’re one of the leaders of your faith"
What people forget is that Islam, Judaism and Christianity are prayer to the same God of Abraham. It took us 1900 years to stop they've had much less time to change than us and I don't need to remind anyone that the absolute ruler of the uk is also head of the church, is from a family of jihadists (the crusaders) and gas access to hundred of nuclear weapons.
It's all crazy if you ask me. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Dont get caught or dont be Gay in Brunei and you'll be just fine.
Unfortunately its the law in his Kingdom and he can do pretty much what he wants. Abide by the laws or you will be (in the voice of Mr T) "Dead Meat"  |
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"It is quite reasonable to suggest we get our own house in order, but it is already way better than Brunai. Could it be better, hell yes, but it doesn’t mean we have to accept this abhorant policy. We should boycott, we should exclude, in the same way as we did South Africa to stop apartheid. We should not just shrug our shoulders and accept this - it should have consequences."
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"Talk about a religion 600 years behind the times.The Sultan has called for stronger Islamic teachings.. TEACHINGS..WTF !"
I think we should get our own house in order before we start castigating others.
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"I think we need to get our own house in order......
...not just me then!"
As I said no issue with doing both - we live in a small world where news takes seconds to arrive. If we ignore or condone those abroad then why would people here change? |
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"Talk about a religion 600 years behind the times.The Sultan has called for stronger Islamic teachings.. TEACHINGS..WTF !
I think we should get our own house in order before we start castigating others.
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Really?
Pray tell, when exactly was the last time a gay man was stoned to death in Trafalgar square? |
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By *rkeb3Man
over a year ago
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"I think we need to get our own house in order......
...not just me then!
As I said no issue with doing both - we live in a small world where news takes seconds to arrive. If we ignore or condone those abroad then why would people here change? "
so u have to change them in order to convince ur people to change if I read it Wright
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I think we need to get our own house in order......
...not just me then!
As I said no issue with doing both - we live in a small world where news takes seconds to arrive. If we ignore or condone those abroad then why would people here change? "
same thing in 1930s Germany. some people said in Britain "none of our business/lets get our house in order.. when that happened look what happened in Germany..as a gentleman said earlier, weapons sales by this country goes on while jo public misdirected with brexit.. underhand weapons sales is what we should be putting in order |
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"I think we need to get our own house in order......
...not just me then!
As I said no issue with doing both - we live in a small world where news takes seconds to arrive. If we ignore or condone those abroad then why would people here change? so u have to change them in order to convince ur people to change if I read it Wright
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It is perfectly reasonable to call out misogyny, racism, anti-gay, religious persecution anywhere else. Equally we should do our best here as well, surely. |
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"I think we need to get our own house in order......
...not just me then!
As I said no issue with doing both - we live in a small world where news takes seconds to arrive. If we ignore or condone those abroad then why would people here change? so u have to change them in order to convince ur people to change if I read it Wright
It is perfectly reasonable to call out misogyny, racism, anti-gay, religious persecution anywhere else. Equally we should do our best here as well, surely."
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By *cushlaMan
over a year ago
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Well I will never be going there and will avoid many countries as for some people, we are not all free but it just makes me so glad to live in a country where we can be sexually liberated and open to one another |
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"Talk about a religion 600 years behind the times.The Sultan has called for stronger Islamic teachings.. TEACHINGS..WTF !"
The sultan of swing he is not.
I doubt very much that a boycott of hotels will amount to anything. These fundamentalist see themselves as doing gods work and he's still most likely got a 100 odd million in the bank. |
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"Talk about a religion 600 years behind the times.The Sultan has called for stronger Islamic teachings.. TEACHINGS..WTF !
I think we should get our own house in order before we start castigating others.
Really?
Pray tell, when exactly was the last time a gay man was stoned to death in Trafalgar square? "
On most weekends they'll have a bloody good go at it. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Incredible, how horrible it must be to live under those conditions. Imagine living there and falling in love with someone of the same sex, knowing you will be punished for it.
Stone those bastards instead. |
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"Talk about a religion 600 years behind the times.The Sultan has called for stronger Islamic teachings.. TEACHINGS..WTF !
I think we should get our own house in order before we start castigating others.
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In what way? |
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This is interesting....LGBT vs Islam....
how will this end up i wonder?!
Does one group have the right to dictate to the other about what way they observe their religious teachings and ideology? Does the other side have the right to punish and persecute and actually barbarically ki ll someone for sleeping with a person of the same sex? or as in the case recently in Paris where a trans woman was beaten, abused and sexually assaulted in the Republic Square by a crowd of Algerians....
for the record i'm neither LGBT or Islamist and i would never endorse or encourage violence or hatred towards a particular group or religion....however i will enjoy watching the left going into a tail-spin trying to work out which side to support. A bit like the arguement in many primary schools today about ....should kids be taught LGBT studies? Moms for islam say no but LGBT folks say yes....what a conundrum! |
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"This is interesting....LGBT vs Islam....
how will this end up i wonder?!
Does one group have the right to dictate to the other about what way they observe their religious teachings and ideology? Does the other side have the right to punish and persecute and actually barbarically ki ll someone for sleeping with a person of the same sex? or as in the case recently in Paris where a trans woman was beaten, abused and sexually assaulted in the Republic Square by a crowd of Algerians....
for the record i'm neither LGBT or Islamist and i would never endorse or encourage violence or hatred towards a particular group or religion....however i will enjoy watching the left going into a tail-spin trying to work out which side to support. A bit like the arguement in many primary schools today about ....should kids be taught LGBT studies? Moms for islam say no but LGBT folks say yes....what a conundrum!"
LGBT v Islam ?
LGBT religious teachings ?
One side versus the other?
Equated in the same breath?
WTF? |
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"Yes...did you see the title of the thread? refering to Islamic authorities in a country stoning gay people to death....it sort of is like Islam vs LGBT "
No it’s not
It’s about the intolerance of the Islamic faith. You are suggesting that LGBT do things to Muslims and Muslims do things to LGBT ers in a sort of battle. Why don’t you show us how clever you are by listing all the stuff that LGBTers do to Muslims ? |
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"This is interesting....LGBT vs Islam....
how will this end up i wonder?!
Does one group have the right to dictate to the other about what way they observe their religious teachings and ideology? Does the other side have the right to punish and persecute and actually barbarically ki ll someone for sleeping with a person of the same sex? or as in the case recently in Paris where a trans woman was beaten, abused and sexually assaulted in the Republic Square by a crowd of Algerians....
for the record i'm neither LGBT or Islamist and i would never endorse or encourage violence or hatred towards a particular group or religion....however i will enjoy watching the left going into a tail-spin trying to work out which side to support. A bit like the arguement in many primary schools today about ....should kids be taught LGBT studies? Moms for islam say no but LGBT folks say yes....what a conundrum!"
Your ramblings make no sense whatsoever . You really don’t get it do you. |
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My point was more to do with the left and how it sorts this problem.... with their policies of tolerance and inclusivity how can the left create a solution to this rather divisive issue. |
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"My point was more to do with the left and how it sorts this problem.... with their policies of tolerance and inclusivity how can the left create a solution to this rather divisive issue."
It isn’t about left or right, it is about tolerance and respect. I would argue that in the same way that Sex, Race and Ethnicity are regarded as equality issues, they take precedence over Religion. We live in a Secular state, so Religion is subsidiary to equality, it needs to be taken into account, but it does not take precedence over equality.
Clearly Brunei is very different, to that extent it is fair to say that we do not agree as a country with their policies. So what should we do, well object, boycott, restrict trade and make it clear this is not acceptable in a civilised world - clearly other countries are similar and we need to call them out also. Being part of a large trade block, like the EU would make it easier to show a cohesive policy and would be more powerful in getting the message across. |
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"My point was more to do with the left and how it sorts this problem.... with their policies of tolerance and inclusivity how can the left create a solution to this rather divisive issue.
It isn’t about left or right, it is about tolerance and respect. I would argue that in the same way that Sex, Race and Ethnicity are regarded as equality issues, they take precedence over Religion. We live in a Secular state, so Religion is subsidiary to equality, it needs to be taken into account, but it does not take precedence over equality.
Clearly Brunei is very different, to that extent it is fair to say that we do not agree as a country with their policies. So what should we do, well object, boycott, restrict trade and make it clear this is not acceptable in a civilised world - clearly other countries are similar and we need to call them out also. Being part of a large trade block, like the EU would make it easier to show a cohesive policy and would be more powerful in getting the message across."
If we did that to every country where homosexuality is illegal, we'd have to cut aid to most of the developing world. |
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"My point was more to do with the left and how it sorts this problem.... with their policies of tolerance and inclusivity how can the left create a solution to this rather divisive issue.
It isn’t about left or right, it is about tolerance and respect. I would argue that in the same way that Sex, Race and Ethnicity are regarded as equality issues, they take precedence over Religion. We live in a Secular state, so Religion is subsidiary to equality, it needs to be taken into account, but it does not take precedence over equality.
Clearly Brunei is very different, to that extent it is fair to say that we do not agree as a country with their policies. So what should we do, well object, boycott, restrict trade and make it clear this is not acceptable in a civilised world - clearly other countries are similar and we need to call them out also. Being part of a large trade block, like the EU would make it easier to show a cohesive policy and would be more powerful in getting the message across.
If we did that to every country where homosexuality is illegal, we'd have to cut aid to most of the developing world. "
Brunei is a long way from being part of the developing world... |
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"My point was more to do with the left and how it sorts this problem.... with their policies of tolerance and inclusivity how can the left create a solution to this rather divisive issue.
It isn’t about left or right, it is about tolerance and respect. I would argue that in the same way that Sex, Race and Ethnicity are regarded as equality issues, they take precedence over Religion. We live in a Secular state, so Religion is subsidiary to equality, it needs to be taken into account, but it does not take precedence over equality.
Clearly Brunei is very different, to that extent it is fair to say that we do not agree as a country with their policies. So what should we do, well object, boycott, restrict trade and make it clear this is not acceptable in a civilised world - clearly other countries are similar and we need to call them out also. Being part of a large trade block, like the EU would make it easier to show a cohesive policy and would be more powerful in getting the message across.
If we did that to every country where homosexuality is illegal, we'd have to cut aid to most of the developing world.
Brunei is a long way from being part of the developing world... "
Yes, thanks for missing my point completely. |
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"My point was more to do with the left and how it sorts this problem.... with their policies of tolerance and inclusivity how can the left create a solution to this rather divisive issue.
It isn’t about left or right, it is about tolerance and respect. I would argue that in the same way that Sex, Race and Ethnicity are regarded as equality issues, they take precedence over Religion. We live in a Secular state, so Religion is subsidiary to equality, it needs to be taken into account, but it does not take precedence over equality.
Clearly Brunei is very different, to that extent it is fair to say that we do not agree as a country with their policies. So what should we do, well object, boycott, restrict trade and make it clear this is not acceptable in a civilised world - clearly other countries are similar and we need to call them out also. Being part of a large trade block, like the EU would make it easier to show a cohesive policy and would be more powerful in getting the message across.
If we did that to every country where homosexuality is illegal, we'd have to cut aid to most of the developing world.
Brunei is a long way from being part of the developing world... "
I think we all know that , but since most countries that need help adopt the same policies regarding homosexuality , we would have to cease trading and helping them too wouldn’t we ? Policy is policy after all . That’s what the point of Clem’s post was . |
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"My point was more to do with the left and how it sorts this problem.... with their policies of tolerance and inclusivity how can the left create a solution to this rather divisive issue.
It isn’t about left or right, it is about tolerance and respect. I would argue that in the same way that Sex, Race and Ethnicity are regarded as equality issues, they take precedence over Religion. We live in a Secular state, so Religion is subsidiary to equality, it needs to be taken into account, but it does not take precedence over equality.
Clearly Brunei is very different, to that extent it is fair to say that we do not agree as a country with their policies. So what should we do, well object, boycott, restrict trade and make it clear this is not acceptable in a civilised world - clearly other countries are similar and we need to call them out also. Being part of a large trade block, like the EU would make it easier to show a cohesive policy and would be more powerful in getting the message across.
If we did that to every country where homosexuality is illegal, we'd have to cut aid to most of the developing world.
Brunei is a long way from being part of the developing world...
Yes, thanks for missing my point completely. "
& you conflated Brunei with the developing world. Most countries that ban homosexuality do what Britain did up till recently - turn a blind eye (not saying we were right by the way), and I am not condoning them for that. But I am suggesting we focus on the extremists. Soundbites uttered from military training grounds are not the answer... |
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"Religion = cult
It’s pretty good if you’re one of the leaders of your faith
What people forget is that Islam, Judaism and Christianity are prayer to the same God of Abraham. It took us 1900 years to stop they've had much less time to change than us and I don't need to remind anyone that the absolute ruler of the uk is also head of the church, is from a family of jihadists (the crusaders) and gas access to hundred of nuclear weapons.
It's all crazy if you ask me."
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Much less time to change!, it's not Scientology, Islam is 1400 years old |
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"Religion = cult
It’s pretty good if you’re one of the leaders of your faith
What people forget is that Islam, Judaism and Christianity are prayer to the same God of Abraham. It took us 1900 years to stop they've had much less time to change than us and I don't need to remind anyone that the absolute ruler of the uk is also head of the church, is from a family of jihadists (the crusaders) and gas access to hundred of nuclear weapons.
It's all crazy if you ask me..
Much less time to change!, it's not Scientology, Islam is 1400 years old "
Dash??? . The dash! |
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"Religion = cult
It’s pretty good if you’re one of the leaders of your faith
What people forget is that Islam, Judaism and Christianity are prayer to the same God of Abraham. It took us 1900 years to stop they've had much less time to change than us and I don't need to remind anyone that the absolute ruler of the uk is also head of the church, is from a family of jihadists (the crusaders) and gas access to hundred of nuclear weapons.
It's all crazy if you ask me..
Much less time to change!, it's not Scientology, Islam is 1400 years old
Dash??? . The dash! "
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"Religion = cult
It’s pretty good if you’re one of the leaders of your faith
What people forget is that Islam, Judaism and Christianity are prayer to the same God of Abraham. It took us 1900 years to stop they've had much less time to change than us and I don't need to remind anyone that the absolute ruler of the uk is also head of the church, is from a family of jihadists (the crusaders) and gas access to hundred of nuclear weapons.
It's all crazy if you ask me..
Much less time to change!, it's not Scientology, Islam is 1400 years old
Dash??? . The dash! .
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 . Since when? |
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"Religion = cult
It’s pretty good if you’re one of the leaders of your faith
What people forget is that Islam, Judaism and Christianity are prayer to the same God of Abraham. It took us 1900 years to stop they've had much less time to change than us and I don't need to remind anyone that the absolute ruler of the uk is also head of the church, is from a family of jihadists (the crusaders) and gas access to hundred of nuclear weapons.
It's all crazy if you ask me..
Much less time to change!, it's not Scientology, Islam is 1400 years old
Dash??? . The dash! .
. Since when?"
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Since I was born  |
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