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By (user no longer on site) OP
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Mongol, Roman, Pirates, Greek, Wild West, WW, Tudor, Georgian, Victorian, Celt, Viking, Anglo-Saxon, Assyrian, Ancient Egyptian, Mayan, Incan, Inuit, Cherokee, Mughal, Shogun Japan..
Anything.. Wot u like? Why? People? Places? Heroes, Villains, Incredulous characters and events only the entire history of humanity could dredge up. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Big Bang.
Galaxies.
Solar System.
Sun.
Earth.
Sludge .
Dinosaurs.
Apes.
Humans.
Civilisation.
Industry.
Too Many People.
Earth Dies .
We Die.
The End .
Will that do  "
Thank you for talking history to him x |
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"Big Bang.
Galaxies.
Solar System.
Sun.
Earth.
Sludge .
Dinosaurs.
Apes.
Humans.
Civilisation.
Industry.
Too Many People.
Earth Dies .
We Die.
The End .
Will that do
Thank you for talking history to him x"
I should have been a teacher  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Big Bang.
Galaxies.
Solar System.
Sun.
Earth.
Sludge .
Dinosaurs.
Apes.
Humans.
Civilisation.
Industry.
Too Many People.
Earth Dies .
We Die.
The End .
Will that do "
Needs more context on sludge... I'm assuming this is a reference to pre Dino sperm monsters?? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Big Bang.
Galaxies.
Solar System.
Sun.
Earth.
Sludge .
Dinosaurs.
Apes.
Humans.
Civilisation.
Industry.
Too Many People.
Earth Dies .
We Die.
The End .
Will that do
Thank you for talking history to him x I should have been a teacher "
Deffo |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I like watching documentaries about the wild west, well, the gold mining and stuff. I like the "how" they did it, and how towns etc came to be.
I LOVE the curse of Oak Island. Interesting watching them dissect what happened and different methods used for building stuff. How items from hundreds and hundreds of years ago ended up there and the journey those items have been on.
P |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Big Bang.
Galaxies.
Solar System.
Sun.
Earth.
Sludge .
Dinosaurs.
Apes.
Humans.
Civilisation.
Industry.
Too Many People.
Earth Dies .
We Die.
The End .
Will that do
Thank you for talking history to him x I should have been a teacher "
You've passed History. Congratulations! Not sure I agree with the ending though, I'm more optimistic. When Humanity mobilises, in moments of existential threat, human beings become incredibly resourceful and are capable of achieving what was previously impossible.
Adapt or die, evolution baby  |
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"Big Bang.
Galaxies.
Solar System.
Sun.
Earth.
Sludge .
Dinosaurs.
Apes.
Humans.
Civilisation.
Industry.
Too Many People.
Earth Dies .
We Die.
The End .
Will that do
Needs more context on sludge... I'm assuming this is a reference to pre Dino sperm monsters??"
Of course my bad .
It was a primordial sludge consisting of Amino Acids and carbon which developed into cells to form the building blocks of all past present and future creatures and plant life on Earth . There you go |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Big Bang.
Galaxies.
Solar System.
Sun.
Earth.
Sludge .
Dinosaurs.
Apes.
Humans.
Civilisation.
Industry.
Too Many People.
Earth Dies .
We Die.
The End .
Will that do
Needs more context on sludge... I'm assuming this is a reference to pre Dino sperm monsters??"
Sludge possibly meaning..
a solution rich in organic compounds in the primitive oceans of the earth, from which life is thought to have originated.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I like watching documentaries about the wild west, well, the gold mining and stuff. I like the "how" they did it, and how towns etc came to be.
I LOVE the curse of Oak Island. Interesting watching them dissect what happened and different methods used for building stuff. How items from hundreds and hundreds of years ago ended up there and the journey those items have been on.
P"
Gold and Oil rush are interesting periods of US history. I dont know Oak island thing. More homework. |
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"Big Bang.
Galaxies.
Solar System.
Sun.
Earth.
Sludge .
Dinosaurs.
Apes.
Humans.
Civilisation.
Industry.
Too Many People.
Earth Dies .
We Die.
The End .
Will that do
Thank you for talking history to him x I should have been a teacher
You've passed History. Congratulations! Not sure I agree with the ending though, I'm more optimistic. When Humanity mobilises, in moments of existential threat, human beings become incredibly resourceful and are capable of achieving what was previously impossible.
Adapt or die, evolution baby "
Decent human beings do yes , sadly there arent enough . |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Perfumo Affair - Christine Keeler...
looking up"
Ah.. yes.. I know this.. briefly. Some awesome stories still being dug up during Cold War. All very personal and individual, given nature of conflict. |
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By *ogNMuseCouple
over a year ago
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"Perfumo Affair - Christine Keeler...
looking up
Ah.. yes.. I know this.. briefly. Some awesome stories still being dug up during Cold War. All very personal and individual, given nature of conflict."
And the famous chair photo  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I like watching documentaries about the wild west, well, the gold mining and stuff. I like the "how" they did it, and how towns etc came to be.
I LOVE the curse of Oak Island. Interesting watching them dissect what happened and different methods used for building stuff. How items from hundreds and hundreds of years ago ended up there and the journey those items have been on.
P
Gold and Oil rush are interesting periods of US history. I dont know Oak island thing. More homework."
Oh watch it! There are 6 seasons I think.
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Talking of history; Does anyone remember a brilliant TV history programme called, ‘War Walks’?
It was presented by Professor Richard Holmes who, in his own often animated style, described and recreated famous historical battles in the UK including The Battle Of Hastings and The Battle Of Bosworth.
I used to love it |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Go, what are your thoughts on the achaemenid Persians and their war with the Greek states?"
Incredible. The might of the combined Persian Empire going up against a bunch of city states who despise one another. What's not to love? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Samuel Franklin Cody
and
William Cody.. Buffalo Bill"
What is it you like about Wild West? For me it's the relative lawlessness and being on the frontiers of known world. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Big Bang.
Galaxies.
Solar System.
Sun.
Earth.
Sludge .
Dinosaurs.
Apes.
Humans.
My boss falls over and I start a thread about it
Civilisation.
Industry.
Too Many People.
Earth Dies .
We Die.
The End .
Will that do "
There |
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"Big Bang.
Galaxies.
Solar System.
Sun.
Earth.
Sludge .
Dinosaurs.
Apes.
Humans.
My boss falls over and I start a thread about it
Civilisation.
Industry.
Too Many People.
Earth Dies .
We Die.
The End
And still the Great Escape on Christmas Day...
Will that do
There "
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"Samuel Franklin Cody
and
William Cody.. Buffalo Bill
What is it you like about Wild West? For me it's the relative lawlessness and being on the frontiers of known world. "
It's the lawless, betrayal of native populations, gold rush, railroads, oil, JD Rockerfella |
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"Samuel Franklin Cody
and
William Cody.. Buffalo Bill
What is it you like about Wild West? For me it's the relative lawlessness and being on the frontiers of known world. "
Was told once there was a link between buffalo Bill Cody and ned Kelly... |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Samuel Franklin Cody
and
William Cody.. Buffalo Bill
What is it you like about Wild West? For me it's the relative lawlessness and being on the frontiers of known world.
It's the lawless, betrayal of native populations, gold rush, railroads, oil, JD Rockerfella"
Olde Worlde meets New |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Which one is that... "
Thatd bd giving my surname out in public wouldn't it now
An island in the Highlands somewhere.. Name starts with Mac That's all I'm giving you |
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"Which one is that...
Thatd bd giving my surname out in public wouldn't it now
An island in the Highlands somewhere.. Name starts with Mac That's all I'm giving you "
Macleod - The Highlander! There can be only one! I want your Quickening!  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Which one is that...
Thatd bd giving my surname out in public wouldn't it now
An island in the Highlands somewhere.. Name starts with Mac That's all I'm giving you
Macleod - The Highlander! There can be only one! I want your Quickening! "
I may no longer have the Scottish accent, but mines better than Lamberts |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Love all history to be honest. Love learning about the Eastern front during WW2."
I learnt a lot about that on Hardcore History podcast. Knew next to nothing about it in comparison to Western Front, Africa and the Pacific. So much death  |
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"Rockefeller. The most successful businessman of all time yet led a humble religious life. Once had more money than the US Government.
They split his companies and he made even more.. "
Yeah.. not someone I really look up to if I'm honest. |
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"Rockefeller. The most successful businessman of all time yet led a humble religious life. Once had more money than the US Government.
They split his companies and he made even more..
Yeah.. not someone I really look up to if I'm honest. "
Not so much look up to but fascinates me how a man dedicated to making so much money did not smoke or drink and lived a relatively frugal life |
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By *ensualbicockMan
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"Love all history to be honest. Love learning about the Eastern front during WW2.
I learnt a lot about that on Hardcore History podcast. Knew next to nothing about it in comparison to Western Front, Africa and the Pacific. So much death "
It dwarfs the western front. At the battle of Kursk alone, more troops fought than in the D-Day landings , more aircraft fought than in the whole of the Battle of Britain and 3 times as many tanks than at the battle of El Alamein. I love reading people's personal experiences and memoirs from this period. My Grandad fought in the battle of the Somme and thats what sparked my military history interests |
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"Perfumo Affair - Christine Keeler... "
Oddly that's the 3rd time I've been reminded of that particular nugget of history recently. Heard 'Scandal' on the radio yesterday and watched the episodes of The Crown that covered that time and events over the weekend on Netflix. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Love all history to be honest. Love learning about the Eastern front during WW2.
I learnt a lot about that on Hardcore History podcast. Knew next to nothing about it in comparison to Western Front, Africa and the Pacific. So much death
It dwarfs the western front. At the battle of Kursk alone, more troops fought than in the D-Day landings , more aircraft fought than in the whole of the Battle of Britain and 3 times as many tanks than at the battle of El Alamein. I love reading people's personal experiences and memoirs from this period. My Grandad fought in the battle of the Somme and thats what sparked my military history interests"
I think most of our grandparents were involved to some degree.. All over the world I was never that interested till I joined myself.. then the reality and severity of it all hit home pretty quickly. Quite sad. |
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"The truth exists in your head or it exists nowhere. "
Truth lies somewhere between all the difference in opinion. It's hard to find, you can never put your finger on it, its elusive, but it exists all around us. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Love all history to be honest. Love learning about the Eastern front during WW2.
I learnt a lot about that on Hardcore History podcast. Knew next to nothing about it in comparison to Western Front, Africa and the Pacific. So much death
It dwarfs the western front. At the battle of Kursk alone, more troops fought than in the D-Day landings , more aircraft fought than in the whole of the Battle of Britain and 3 times as many tanks than at the battle of El Alamein. I love reading people's personal experiences and memoirs from this period. My Grandad fought in the battle of the Somme and thats what sparked my military history interests
I think most of our grandparents were involved to some degree.. All over the world I was never that interested till I joined myself.. then the reality and severity of it all hit home pretty quickly. Quite sad."
"Ghosts of the Ostfront" Hardcore History Series about German/Russian side of things.
If listened in combination with the other Series on WW1. It does a lot to explain what the fuck Hitler was thinking when he invaded Russia when he did. |
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I love delving into history. A few years ago I was curious as to why a local beach had a particular name, as it was incongruous... I decided to look it up and it lead me to research a particular C18th shipwreck. Information available on that just aroused my curiosity more about the mutineers, the captain, the owners and one simple enquiry about the name of a beach has lead me into a research project that has lasted over a decade, has spanned the globe, has its roots in an obscure Scottish religious sect, features piracy and internment on the Canary Islands, a lost colony on the West Coast of Africa that rivals the Croatoan/Roanoke legends of Virginia, a world-famous dynasty known for their production of Port, and one of the last public executions on St. Stephen's Green in Dublin.... And I'm still constantly finding something new |
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Romans, Romans, Romans! They were just incredible. My favourite period is the dying days of the Republic, from the Gracchi onwards... Mindblowing stuff. The power struggles. The propaganda. The stakes. And of course, trying to dig the "truth" out of the records we have... leads you onto a whole other discussion about historical truth. Endlessly fascinating!
Mrs TMN x |
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"Perfumo Affair - Christine Keeler...
looking up
Ah.. yes.. I know this.. briefly. Some awesome stories still being dug up during Cold War. All very personal and individual, given nature of conflict."
BBC are airing a 6 part drama in November - The Trial of Christine Keeler. Should be a good series |
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I like stuff from far back, once you get past about 3000 years very little is actually known and most is guess work so it still has an air of mystery.
My personal favourite is circa 12,000 years ago and the great flood.
Absolutely fascinating  |
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"I love delving into history. A few years ago I was curious as to why a local beach had a particular name, as it was incongruous... I decided to look it up and it lead me to research a particular C18th shipwreck. Information available on that just aroused my curiosity more about the mutineers, the captain, the owners and one simple enquiry about the name of a beach has lead me into a research project that has lasted over a decade, has spanned the globe, has its roots in an obscure Scottish religious sect, features piracy and internment on the Canary Islands, a lost colony on the West Coast of Africa that rivals the Croatoan/Roanoke legends of Virginia, a world-famous dynasty known for their production of Port, and one of the last public executions on St. Stephen's Green in Dublin.... And I'm still constantly finding something new "
Bend over  |
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"Romans, Romans, Romans! They were just incredible. My favourite period is the dying days of the Republic, from the Gracchi onwards... Mindblowing stuff. The power struggles. The propaganda. The stakes. And of course, trying to dig the "truth" out of the records we have... leads you onto a whole other discussion about historical truth. Endlessly fascinating!
Mrs TMN x "
I'm re-listening to Deathroes of the Republic right now..
Crassus, Marius, Sulla, Sicero, Julius.. The power and ambition chasing. I'm not sure Roman culture ever died. That our Western 'Democracy' Is just an evolution of their corruption driven ambition. The Plebs are fed basic facts about aqueducts, battles and bathhouse. Thd private pupils are taught the ways of the Great Houses of Men. |
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"I love delving into history. A few years ago I was curious as to why a local beach had a particular name, as it was incongruous... I decided to look it up and it lead me to research a particular C18th shipwreck. Information available on that just aroused my curiosity more about the mutineers, the captain, the owners and one simple enquiry about the name of a beach has lead me into a research project that has lasted over a decade, has spanned the globe, has its roots in an obscure Scottish religious sect, features piracy and internment on the Canary Islands, a lost colony on the West Coast of Africa that rivals the Croatoan/Roanoke legends of Virginia, a world-famous dynasty known for their production of Port, and one of the last public executions on St. Stephen's Green in Dublin.... And I'm still constantly finding something new
Bend over "
So I can show you my research?  |
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"I like stuff from far back, once you get past about 3000 years very little is actually known and most is guess work so it still has an air of mystery.
My personal favourite is circa 12,000 years ago and the great flood.
Absolutely fascinating "
I prefer Ancient history on the whole, though my two favourite periods are Mongolian Medieval and Age of Exploration.
Great flood.. odd one isn't it.. crosses many cultures.. icesheets melting and receding? Or Med basin tectonic plates shifting and opening/closing med over generations? Though last one wouldn't explain S.American flood myth. |
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"I love delving into history. A few years ago I was curious as to why a local beach had a particular name, as it was incongruous... I decided to look it up and it lead me to research a particular C18th shipwreck. Information available on that just aroused my curiosity more about the mutineers, the captain, the owners and one simple enquiry about the name of a beach has lead me into a research project that has lasted over a decade, has spanned the globe, has its roots in an obscure Scottish religious sect, features piracy and internment on the Canary Islands, a lost colony on the West Coast of Africa that rivals the Croatoan/Roanoke legends of Virginia, a world-famous dynasty known for their production of Port, and one of the last public executions on St. Stephen's Green in Dublin.... And I'm still constantly finding something new
Bend over
So I can show you my research? "
Yes Anything to do with Pirates and I'm IN! |
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I still live in the jolly 1950's, spiffing times they are two , were all getting excited here in North Wales about some hip beat combo called Mr William Haley and his Comets |
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"I like stuff from far back, once you get past about 3000 years very little is actually known and most is guess work so it still has an air of mystery.
My personal favourite is circa 12,000 years ago and the great flood.
Absolutely fascinating
I prefer Ancient history on the whole, though my two favourite periods are Mongolian Medieval and Age of Exploration.
Great flood.. odd one isn't it.. crosses many cultures.. icesheets melting and receding? Or Med basin tectonic plates shifting and opening/closing med over generations? Though last one wouldn't explain S.American flood myth."
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I'm an avid fan of Graham Hancock.
The world myths all seem to point to a great flood and an advanced lost civilisation.
The evidence is now stacking up on that side as well, there's a layer of carbonised micro diamonds found all round the world and all caused around 10,000 BC.
A giant meteor strike only has that ability, it caused 3 mile high glaciers to melt in months and when the ice wall that held it back finally snapped the continent of North America was washed into the ocean and the coast lines changed forever with a sea level rise of 150m.
Wiped clean from the hand of God  |
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40% the world today lives within 25 miles of the coast in those days it would have been more like 90%.
The Great stone megalithic monuments left behind tell stories for those who are fascinated enough.
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"History is written by the victors.
Sometimes you get the odd escapee.. the occasional loser who bore witness to the tragedy of their people. "
The victors write them off as deluded lunatics. |
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Ask the person next to you this question.
What were the great pyramids of Giza built for?.
I'll tell you the answer I usually get, burial tombs for Pharos!
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"I learnt a lot about that on Hardcore History podcast"
Big Hardcore History fan here. Wrath of the Khans got me hooked and the wait for a new episode feels longer and longer each time.
"End quote". |
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"Ask the person next to you this question.
What were the great pyramids of Giza built for?.
I'll tell you the answer I usually get, burial tombs for Pharos!
"
My imaginary girlfriend on the sofa says she 'Prefers to stick to the facts, not fantasizing over the unknowns until there's more evidence to mull over. Leave Aliens and the like to Conspiracy Theory territory. Whilst we're at it, she also has 'issues' with "Modern Paganism" Groups on Facebook.
You can see why we get on |
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"Romans, Romans, Romans! They were just incredible. My favourite period is the dying days of the Republic, from the Gracchi onwards... Mindblowing stuff. The power struggles. The propaganda. The stakes. And of course, trying to dig the "truth" out of the records we have... leads you onto a whole other discussion about historical truth. Endlessly fascinating!
Mrs TMN x
I'm re-listening to Deathroes of the Republic right now..
Crassus, Marius, Sulla, Sicero, Julius.. The power and ambition chasing. I'm not sure Roman culture ever died. That our Western 'Democracy' Is just an evolution of their corruption driven ambition. The Plebs are fed basic facts about aqueducts, battles and bathhouse. Thd private pupils are taught the ways of the Great Houses of Men."
Bang on. Same shit, different millennium. Common theme? People and their lust for power. What astonishes me is that so many people don't see it, they think that everything we're living through is brand new... Nope |
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"I prefer social history, particularly around the industrial revolution.
Unions and the beginnings of the Labour movement. Incredibly brave people that helped shape modern Britain. "
Oh, yes! I love the domestic details. The tiny little things of people's lives. Makes the feel alive to me |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Big Bang.
Galaxies.
Solar System.
Sun.
Earth.
Sludge .
Dinosaurs.
Apes.
Humans.
Civilisation.
Industry.
Too Many People.
Earth Dies .
We Die.
The End .
Will that do
Thank you for talking history to him x I should have been a teacher
You've passed History. Congratulations! Not sure I agree with the ending though, I'm more optimistic. When Humanity mobilises, in moments of existential threat, human beings become incredibly resourceful and are capable of achieving what was previously impossible.
Adapt or die, evolution baby Decent human beings do yes , sadly there arent enough ."
We dont need many left, just enough to re produce. |
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"Ask the person next to you this question.
What were the great pyramids of Giza built for?.
I'll tell you the answer I usually get, burial tombs for Pharos!
My imaginary girlfriend on the sofa says she 'Prefers to stick to the facts, not fantasizing over the unknowns until there's more evidence to mull over. Leave Aliens and the like to Conspiracy Theory territory. Whilst we're at it, she also has 'issues' with "Modern Paganism" Groups on Facebook.
You can see why we get on "
The facts? Go on then. How do you determine the facts? Sorry for jumping all over your thread, but this is sooooo up my street |
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I have a great love of history and leads to where we are today
To often you get asked by the younger generation, is that really true? Of course some things are factual names, places, monuments, however we can only surmise from arttifacts found, lost cities, or know what we know because someone chose to write it down.
That’s one person’s perception of what happened. Add to this the different languages these would have originally been written or told in. Over the years translations and word of mouth could change some facts to enhance an achievement, a story is born
It’s a big line of C_inese whispers, you’ll only really know if you were there and saw it with your own eyes. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Big Bang.
Galaxies.
Solar System.
Sun.
Earth.
Sludge .
Dinosaurs.
Apes.
Humans.
Civilisation.
Industry.
Too Many People.
Earth Dies .
We Die.
The End .
Will that do
Thank you for talking history to him x I should have been a teacher
You've passed History. Congratulations! Not sure I agree with the ending though, I'm more optimistic. When Humanity mobilises, in moments of existential threat, human beings become incredibly resourceful and are capable of achieving what was previously impossible.
Adapt or die, evolution baby Decent human beings do yes , sadly there arent enough .
We dont need many left, just enough to re produce. "
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"Romans, Romans, Romans! They were just incredible. My favourite period is the dying days of the Republic, from the Gracchi onwards... Mindblowing stuff. The power struggles. The propaganda. The stakes. And of course, trying to dig the "truth" out of the records we have... leads you onto a whole other discussion about historical truth. Endlessly fascinating!
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I'm re-listening to Deathroes of the Republic right now..
Crassus, Marius, Sulla, Sicero, Julius.. The power and ambition chasing. I'm not sure Roman culture ever died. That our Western 'Democracy' Is just an evolution of their corruption driven ambition. The Plebs are fed basic facts about aqueducts, battles and bathhouse. Thd private pupils are taught the ways of the Great Houses of Men.
Bang on. Same shit, different millennium. Common theme? People and their lust for power. What astonishes me is that so many people don't see it, they think that everything we're living through is brand new... Nope "
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"Romans, Romans, Romans! They were just incredible. My favourite period is the dying days of the Republic, from the Gracchi onwards... Mindblowing stuff. The power struggles. The propaganda. The stakes. And of course, trying to dig the "truth" out of the records we have... leads you onto a whole other discussion about historical truth. Endlessly fascinating!
Mrs TMN x
I'm re-listening to Deathroes of the Republic right now..
Crassus, Marius, Sulla, Sicero, Julius.. The power and ambition chasing. I'm not sure Roman culture ever died. That our Western 'Democracy' Is just an evolution of their corruption driven ambition. The Plebs are fed basic facts about aqueducts, battles and bathhouse. Thd private pupils are taught the ways of the Great Houses of Men.
Bang on. Same shit, different millennium. Common theme? People and their lust for power. What astonishes me is that so many people don't see it, they think that everything we're living through is brand new... Nope "
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"Ask the person next to you this question.
What were the great pyramids of Giza built for?.
I'll tell you the answer I usually get, burial tombs for Pharos!
My imaginary girlfriend on the sofa says she 'Prefers to stick to the facts, not fantasizing over the unknowns until there's more evidence to mull over. Leave Aliens and the like to Conspiracy Theory territory. Whilst we're at it, she also has 'issues' with "Modern Paganism" Groups on Facebook.
You can see why we get on
The facts? Go on then. How do you determine the facts? Sorry for jumping all over your thread, but this is sooooo up my street "
Archeology, Anthropology, Biology, History.. Process of elimination. Scientific theory. Not Fantasy. |
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"Mongol, Roman, Pirates, Greek, Wild West, WW, Tudor, Georgian, Victorian, Celt, Viking, Anglo-Saxon, Assyrian, Ancient Egyptian, Mayan, Incan, Inuit, Cherokee, Mughal, Shogun Japan..
Anything.. Wot u like? Why? People? Places? Heroes, Villains, Incredulous characters and events only the entire history of humanity could dredge up."
All of the above is truly fascinating. I love everything to do with how they lived/survived (without any of our modern trappings) customs and beliefs they came up with, good and bad. I could research and read this stuff forever. |
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"I have a great love of history and leads to where we are today
To often you get asked by the younger generation, is that really true? Of course some things are factual names, places, monuments, however we can only surmise from arttifacts found, lost cities, or know what we know because someone chose to write it down.
That’s one person’s perception of what happened. Add to this the different languages these would have originally been written or told in. Over the years translations and word of mouth could change some facts to enhance an achievement, a story is born
It’s a big line of C_inese whispers, you’ll only really know if you were there and saw it with your own eyes. "
Yes.. which is partly why I like historical fiction that tries it's best to keep close to historical fact. |
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"Romans.
Used to be a Roman re-enactor"
I'd like to get my hands on an authentic looking Roman Legionary costume for a Fab photo shoot.
Gladiator pose through a cornfield |
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"Mongol, Roman, Pirates, Greek, Wild West, WW, Tudor, Georgian, Victorian, Celt, Viking, Anglo-Saxon, Assyrian, Ancient Egyptian, Mayan, Incan, Inuit, Cherokee, Mughal, Shogun Japan..
Anything.. Wot u like? Why? People? Places? Heroes, Villains, Incredulous characters and events only the entire history of humanity could dredge up.
All of the above is truly fascinating. I love everything to do with how they lived/survived (without any of our modern trappings) customs and beliefs they came up with, good and bad. I could research and read this stuff forever. "
Me too.. I do it for free just because I like it |
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"Romans, Romans, Romans! They were just incredible. My favourite period is the dying days of the Republic, from the Gracchi onwards... Mindblowing stuff. The power struggles. The propaganda. The stakes. And of course, trying to dig the "truth" out of the records we have... leads you onto a whole other discussion about historical truth. Endlessly fascinating!
Mrs TMN x
I'm re-listening to Deathroes of the Republic right now..
Crassus, Marius, Sulla, Sicero, Julius.. The power and ambition chasing. I'm not sure Roman culture ever died. That our Western 'Democracy' Is just an evolution of their corruption driven ambition. The Plebs are fed basic facts about aqueducts, battles and bathhouse. Thd private pupils are taught the ways of the Great Houses of Men.
Bang on. Same shit, different millennium. Common theme? People and their lust for power. What astonishes me is that so many people don't see it, they think that everything we're living through is brand new... Nope
If our leaders were all experts in history.. perhaps they'd stop making the same mistakes?"
Do you think so? I think some are very well aware, but hubris stops them from seeing their own actions as mistakes. It's for the good of the people, the lesser of two evils(or weevils), all for the best... Also, it can be difficult to see it at the time, looking back retrospectively it's always clearer surely? |
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"I'm half Japanese and can trace my family history back to the 14th century Ashikaga shogunate. Japanese history is very well documented and my many times great Grandfather was Master of Swords at court in Kyoto in 1376."
Holy shit that's cool! Only real knowledge I have of Shogun Japan is from playing Total War  If you know of any interesting podcasts or documentaries I'd be interested. Nothing to heavy to begin with.. just a teasing taster. I've just about exhausted Mongol parts I'm interested in. |
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What were the great pyramids of Giza built for?.
I'll tell you the answer I usually get, burial tombs for Pharos!
My imaginary girlfriend on the sofa says she 'Prefers to stick to the facts, not fantasizing over the unknowns until there's more evidence to mull over. Leave Aliens and the like to Conspiracy Theory territory. Whilst we're at it, she also has 'issues' with "Modern Paganism" Groups on Facebook.
You can see why we get on
The facts? Go on then. How do you determine the facts? Sorry for jumping all over your thread, but this is sooooo up my street
Archeology, Anthropology, Biology, History.. Process of elimination. Scientific theory. Not Fantasy. "
All good tools. I still retain a healthy scepticism though - archaeology can be misinterpreted, history is inevitably biased, often written well after the fact and based on hearsay.
As a first year student I wrote an essay entitled "What happen at the Battle of Salamis?" Entirely missing the point, I attempted to record the "facts" of the battle. Cue a D and my tutor explaining that he'd been looking for a debate over the historical records.  |
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"Romans, Romans, Romans! They were just incredible. My favourite period is the dying days of the Republic, from the Gracchi onwards... Mindblowing stuff. The power struggles. The propaganda. The stakes. And of course, trying to dig the "truth" out of the records we have... leads you onto a whole other discussion about historical truth. Endlessly fascinating!
Mrs TMN x
I'm re-listening to Deathroes of the Republic right now..
Crassus, Marius, Sulla, Sicero, Julius.. The power and ambition chasing. I'm not sure Roman culture ever died. That our Western 'Democracy' Is just an evolution of their corruption driven ambition. The Plebs are fed basic facts about aqueducts, battles and bathhouse. Thd private pupils are taught the ways of the Great Houses of Men.
Bang on. Same shit, different millennium. Common theme? People and their lust for power. What astonishes me is that so many people don't see it, they think that everything we're living through is brand new... Nope
If our leaders were all experts in history.. perhaps they'd stop making the same mistakes?
Do you think so? I think some are very well aware, but hubris stops them from seeing their own actions as mistakes. It's for the good of the people, the lesser of two evils(or weevils), all for the best... Also, it can be difficult to see it at the time, looking back retrospectively it's always clearer surely? "
I think they're taught a lot about history in their private schools. The question is.. like our public schools.. are they being taught history in the right way? For the right purposes?
Or as a tool to be worked and manipulated to their advantage? Like the successful and wealthy of those gone before? Shortsighted individual success at the cost of long term gain for everyone. |
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"Romans, Romans, Romans! They were just incredible. My favourite period is the dying days of the Republic, from the Gracchi onwards... Mindblowing stuff. The power struggles. The propaganda. The stakes. And of course, trying to dig the "truth" out of the records we have... leads you onto a whole other discussion about historical truth. Endlessly fascinating!
Mrs TMN x
I'm re-listening to Deathroes of the Republic right now..
Crassus, Marius, Sulla, Sicero, Julius.. The power and ambition chasing. I'm not sure Roman culture ever died. That our Western 'Democracy' Is just an evolution of their corruption driven ambition. The Plebs are fed basic facts about aqueducts, battles and bathhouse. Thd private pupils are taught the ways of the Great Houses of Men.
Bang on. Same shit, different millennium. Common theme? People and their lust for power. What astonishes me is that so many people don't see it, they think that everything we're living through is brand new... Nope
If our leaders were all experts in history.. perhaps they'd stop making the same mistakes?
Do you think so? I think some are very well aware, but hubris stops them from seeing their own actions as mistakes. It's for the good of the people, the lesser of two evils(or weevils), all for the best... Also, it can be difficult to see it at the time, looking back retrospectively it's always clearer surely?
I think they're taught a lot about history in their private schools. The question is.. like our public schools.. are they being taught history in the right way? For the right purposes?
Or as a tool to be worked and manipulated to their advantage? Like the successful and wealthy of those gone before? Shortsighted individual success at the cost of long term gain for everyone."
Depends on your perspective. One person's "right way" and "right purpose" is not the same as another's, nor can it ever be. |
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To often you get asked by the younger generation, is that really true? Of course some things are factual names, places, monuments, however we can only surmise from arttifacts found, lost cities, or know what we know because someone chose to write it down.
That’s one person’s perception of what happened. Add to this the different languages these would have originally been written or told in. Over the years translations and word of mouth could change some facts to enhance an achievement, a story is born
It’s a big line of C_inese whispers, you’ll only really know if you were there and saw it with your own eyes.
Yes.. which is partly why I like historical fiction that tries it's best to keep close to historical fact. "
Totally agree. It fills in the blanks but keeps to what is known, traditions, ways of living, etc |
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"I'm half Japanese and can trace my family history back to the 14th century Ashikaga shogunate. Japanese history is very well documented and my many times great Grandfather was Master of Swords at court in Kyoto in 1376.
Holy shit that's cool! Only real knowledge I have of Shogun Japan is from playing Total War If you know of any interesting podcasts or documentaries I'd be interested. Nothing to heavy to begin with.. just a teasing taster. I've just about exhausted Mongol parts I'm interested in. "
Unfortunately, most of the documents from the Ashikaga shogunate era are still in storage at the Kyoto National Museum. I've been a few times and translated a few, but when I retire, that will be my mission. There's a good documentary called The One True Shogun - it's of a later period, but gives an excellent overview of how the Shogunates operated. |
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"Ask the person next to you this question.
What were the great pyramids of Giza built for?.
I'll tell you the answer I usually get, burial tombs for Pharos!
My imaginary girlfriend on the sofa says she 'Prefers to stick to the facts, not fantasizing over the unknowns until there's more evidence to mull over. Leave Aliens and the like to Conspiracy Theory territory. Whilst we're at it, she also has 'issues' with "Modern Paganism" Groups on Facebook.
You can see why we get on
The facts? Go on then. How do you determine the facts? Sorry for jumping all over your thread, but this is sooooo up my street
Archeology, Anthropology, Biology, History.. Process of elimination. Scientific theory. Not Fantasy.
All good tools. I still retain a healthy scepticism though - archaeology can be misinterpreted, history is inevitably biased, often written well after the fact and based on hearsay.
As a first year student I wrote an essay entitled "What happen at the Battle of Salamis?" Entirely missing the point, I attempted to record the "facts" of the battle. Cue a D and my tutor explaining that he'd been looking for a debate over the historical records. "
Yes.. but I think most Historians take all that into account when they give their answers to difficult questions. Like how were the pyramids built?
Scientists or subjects that use science to corroborate theory can only go off evidence.
Without it, I could argue blue is red, with it.. I can prove that to some blue IS red. Leave it to fantasy and blue can be a dog.
Leave fantasy in realms of fiction till there is mounting evidence to build a decent theory.
Why are there pyramids all over the world? Easiest shape tall structure to build by hand and basic construction knowledge. Just because the finite knowledge of how.. may be a little lost.. doesn't mean Aliens did it |
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"Ask the person next to you this question.
What were the great pyramids of Giza built for?.
I'll tell you the answer I usually get, burial tombs for Pharos!
My imaginary girlfriend on the sofa says she 'Prefers to stick to the facts, not fantasizing over the unknowns until there's more evidence to mull over. Leave Aliens and the like to Conspiracy Theory territory. Whilst we're at it, she also has 'issues' with "Modern Paganism" Groups on Facebook.
You can see why we get on "
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What a very strange reply .
The question wasn't really about facts though, more perceptions.
Nearly everybody I ask thinks they were built as tombs for Pharos and yet there not.
The problem with ancient history is there are very little facts I'm afraid which means you do have to fantasize over the unknowns some what, there is no definitive answer to the pyramids, how they were built, why they were built is still relatively guesswork. |
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"I'm half Japanese and can trace my family history back to the 14th century Ashikaga shogunate. Japanese history is very well documented and my many times great Grandfather was Master of Swords at court in Kyoto in 1376.
Holy shit that's cool! Only real knowledge I have of Shogun Japan is from playing Total War If you know of any interesting podcasts or documentaries I'd be interested. Nothing to heavy to begin with.. just a teasing taster. I've just about exhausted Mongol parts I'm interested in.
Unfortunately, most of the documents from the Ashikaga shogunate era are still in storage at the Kyoto National Museum. I've been a few times and translated a few, but when I retire, that will be my mission. There's a good documentary called The One True Shogun - it's of a later period, but gives an excellent overview of how the Shogunates operated."
its the latter I was looking for.. thanks.
During Kublai Khans reign and his transition from Mongol Ruler to C_inese Emperor. He ordered an attack of Shogun Japan.
It was halted due to a Divine Wind.
Had it not been, given the ever present Division within Feudal Japan. How do you think things would have failed.
Personally.. I feel the Mongols were experts at Diplomacy as well as warfare and could have made inroads into conquering Japan. Only I know Japan would have probably unified over the external existential threat.
I think being an island nation saved them from being swallowed up. The Koreans weren't as fortunate. |
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I’m a not so ancient history lover. My thing is serial killers, the psychology, the forensics.
They have this air of mystery and power to them, that as you dig deeper, that veneer cracks, exposing pathetic individuals, caught up in there own past, a lot never rising above one defining moment.
Many are low intelligence, the smart ones are infinitely more fascinating.
In the interest of disclosure, I am more up on my American serial killers, I lived there for over 14 years, although remember sutcliffe and Fred and Rose although not gone into them as much |
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"Why do we protect roman burial sites?
All they did was wear pillage & r a p e with their massive helmets. "
To be fair they didn't invent that, it's kind of a global pursuit. They did give us central heating, roads, sewers and plumbing. We gave them an interesting collection of diseases. .. |
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"Why do we protect roman burial sites?
All they did was wear pillage & r a p e with their massive helmets.
To be fair they didn't invent that, it's kind of a global pursuit. They did give us central heating, roads, sewers and plumbing. We gave them an interesting collection of diseases. .. "
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"I’m a not so ancient history lover. My thing is serial killers, the psychology, the forensics.
They have this air of mystery and power to them, that as you dig deeper, that veneer cracks, exposing pathetic individuals, caught up in there own past, a lot never rising above one defining moment.
Many are low intelligence, the smart ones are infinitely more fascinating.
In the interest of disclosure, I am more up on my American serial killers, I lived there for over 14 years, although remember sutcliffe and Fred and Rose although not gone into them as much"
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"I'm half Japanese and can trace my family history back to the 14th century Ashikaga shogunate. Japanese history is very well documented and my many times great Grandfather was Master of Swords at court in Kyoto in 1376.
Holy shit that's cool! Only real knowledge I have of Shogun Japan is from playing Total War If you know of any interesting podcasts or documentaries I'd be interested. Nothing to heavy to begin with.. just a teasing taster. I've just about exhausted Mongol parts I'm interested in.
Unfortunately, most of the documents from the Ashikaga shogunate era are still in storage at the Kyoto National Museum. I've been a few times and translated a few, but when I retire, that will be my mission. There's a good documentary called The One True Shogun - it's of a later period, but gives an excellent overview of how the Shogunates operated.
its the latter I was looking for.. thanks.
During Kublai Khans reign and his transition from Mongol Ruler to C_inese Emperor. He ordered an attack of Shogun Japan.
It was halted due to a Divine Wind.
Had it not been, given the ever present Division within Feudal Japan. How do you think things would have failed.
Personally.. I feel the Mongols were experts at Diplomacy as well as warfare and could have made inroads into conquering Japan. Only I know Japan would have probably unified over the external existential threat.
I think being an island nation saved them from being swallowed up. The Koreans weren't as fortunate. "
You might want to have a read of the Koan Campaign, 1281. In particular, the battles of Mikuriya and Taka Island. Not a good year for the Mongols! |
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"Ask the person next to you this question.
What were the great pyramids of Giza built for?.
I'll tell you the answer I usually get, burial tombs for Pharos!
My imaginary girlfriend on the sofa says she 'Prefers to stick to the facts, not fantasizing over the unknowns until there's more evidence to mull over. Leave Aliens and the like to Conspiracy Theory territory. Whilst we're at it, she also has 'issues' with "Modern Paganism" Groups on Facebook.
You can see why we get on .
What a very strange reply .
The question wasn't really about facts though, more perceptions.
Nearly everybody I ask thinks they were built as tombs for Pharos and yet there not.
The problem with ancient history is there are very little facts I'm afraid which means you do have to fantasize over the unknowns some what, there is no definitive answer to the pyramids, how they were built, why they were built is still relatively guesswork."
Personally I like to think they were the ancient Egyptian equivalent of roadside art. |
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They have this air of mystery and power to them, that as you dig deeper, that veneer cracks, exposing pathetic individuals, caught up in there own past, a lot never rising above one defining moment.
Many are low intelligence, the smart ones are infinitely more fascinating.
In the interest of disclosure, I am more up on my American serial killers, I lived there for over 14 years, although remember sutcliffe and Fred and Rose although not gone into them as much"
It fascinates me, not what they did but why. The forensics that finally caught them and the psychology behind it, the normal acting guy next door, living a normal life, trusted etc, but reality hiding a really dark side
Some may be low intelligence but a lot are pretty smart at deceiving people everyday |
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"that stuff scares me"
I think that’s where the interest was sparked when I was small, The Yorkshire Ripper (Sutcliffe) was active close to us, seen in town 5 miles from us, but then it could have been my dad, he got stopped and almost arrested as he bore a striking resemblance to Sutcliffe at the time. As kids we would scare and threaten each other with the ripper.
I think there’s a lot of mileage to the saying of ‘fear what you don’t understand’
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It fascinates me, not what they did but why. The forensics that finally caught them and the psychology behind it, the normal acting guy next door, living a normal life, trusted etc, but reality hiding a really dark side
Some may be low intelligence but a lot are pretty smart at deceiving people everyday "
The true sociopath, they are the truly scary ones that can operate for years without been caught. |
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"I'm half Japanese and can trace my family history back to the 14th century Ashikaga shogunate. Japanese history is very well documented and my many times great Grandfather was Master of Swords at court in Kyoto in 1376.
Holy shit that's cool! Only real knowledge I have of Shogun Japan is from playing Total War If you know of any interesting podcasts or documentaries I'd be interested. Nothing to heavy to begin with.. just a teasing taster. I've just about exhausted Mongol parts I'm interested in.
Unfortunately, most of the documents from the Ashikaga shogunate era are still in storage at the Kyoto National Museum. I've been a few times and translated a few, but when I retire, that will be my mission. There's a good documentary called The One True Shogun - it's of a later period, but gives an excellent overview of how the Shogunates operated.
its the latter I was looking for.. thanks.
During Kublai Khans reign and his transition from Mongol Ruler to C_inese Emperor. He ordered an attack of Shogun Japan.
It was halted due to a Divine Wind.
Had it not been, given the ever present Division within Feudal Japan. How do you think things would have failed.
Personally.. I feel the Mongols were experts at Diplomacy as well as warfare and could have made inroads into conquering Japan. Only I know Japan would have probably unified over the external existential threat.
I think being an island nation saved them from being swallowed up. The Koreans weren't as fortunate.
You might want to have a read of the Koan Campaign, 1281. In particular, the battles of Mikuriya and Taka Island. Not a good year for the Mongols!"
It was near the end of their might to be fair.. one third of their strength and two generations after the ways of Ghengis.
I think a United Japan would still have been a tough match for a United Mongol Force of Ghengis era. Ocean being only one barrier. A war on Japanese home turf against a seasoned military culture. Would make a interesting "Alternate History".
Samurai? Ninjas? Japanese Diplomacy and Art of War. Home Knowledge and Naval superiority.
My Money would be on Mongols if it were landlocked. But I'd not call myself Ghengis if I thought otherwise |
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"Ask the person next to you this question.
What were the great pyramids of Giza built for?.
I'll tell you the answer I usually get, burial tombs for Pharos!
My imaginary girlfriend on the sofa says she 'Prefers to stick to the facts, not fantasizing over the unknowns until there's more evidence to mull over. Leave Aliens and the like to Conspiracy Theory territory. Whilst we're at it, she also has 'issues' with "Modern Paganism" Groups on Facebook.
You can see why we get on .
What a very strange reply .
The question wasn't really about facts though, more perceptions.
Nearly everybody I ask thinks they were built as tombs for Pharos and yet there not.
The problem with ancient history is there are very little facts I'm afraid which means you do have to fantasize over the unknowns some what, there is no definitive answer to the pyramids, how they were built, why they were built is still relatively guesswork.
Personally I like to think they were the ancient Egyptian equivalent of roadside art. "
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It fascinates me, not what they did but why. The forensics that finally caught them and the psychology behind it, the normal acting guy next door, living a normal life, trusted etc, but reality hiding a really dark side
Some may be low intelligence but a lot are pretty smart at deceiving people everyday
The true sociopath, they are the truly scary ones that can operate for years without been caught. "
Agreed and also the most fascinating to read about |
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"I'm half Japanese and can trace my family history back to the 14th century Ashikaga shogunate. Japanese history is very well documented and my many times great Grandfather was Master of Swords at court in Kyoto in 1376.
Holy shit that's cool! Only real knowledge I have of Shogun Japan is from playing Total War If you know of any interesting podcasts or documentaries I'd be interested. Nothing to heavy to begin with.. just a teasing taster. I've just about exhausted Mongol parts I'm interested in.
Unfortunately, most of the documents from the Ashikaga shogunate era are still in storage at the Kyoto National Museum. I've been a few times and translated a few, but when I retire, that will be my mission. There's a good documentary called The One True Shogun - it's of a later period, but gives an excellent overview of how the Shogunates operated.
its the latter I was looking for.. thanks.
During Kublai Khans reign and his transition from Mongol Ruler to C_inese Emperor. He ordered an attack of Shogun Japan.
It was halted due to a Divine Wind.
Had it not been, given the ever present Division within Feudal Japan. How do you think things would have failed.
Personally.. I feel the Mongols were experts at Diplomacy as well as warfare and could have made inroads into conquering Japan. Only I know Japan would have probably unified over the external existential threat.
I think being an island nation saved them from being swallowed up. The Koreans weren't as fortunate.
You might want to have a read of the Koan Campaign, 1281. In particular, the battles of Mikuriya and Taka Island. Not a good year for the Mongols!
It was near the end of their might to be fair.. one third of their strength and two generations after the ways of Ghengis.
I think a United Japan would still have been a tough match for a United Mongol Force of Ghengis era. Ocean being only one barrier. A war on Japanese home turf against a seasoned military culture. Would make a interesting "Alternate History".
Samurai? Ninjas? Japanese Diplomacy and Art of War. Home Knowledge and Naval superiority.
My Money would be on Mongols if it were landlocked. But I'd not call myself Ghengis if I thought otherwise "
I think you're right - a unified Japan would have been a very different kettle of sushi. The Bushi were always fighting amongst themselves, mostly for the thrill of battle than any other reason. We do enjoy a good fight Many Japanese are still great traditionalists - my youngest sister is Geisha, as was my Aunt. |
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What were the great pyramids of Giza built for?.
I'll tell you the answer I usually get, burial tombs for Pharos!
My imaginary girlfriend on the sofa says she 'Prefers to stick to the facts, not fantasizing over the unknowns until there's more evidence to mull over. Leave Aliens and the like to Conspiracy Theory territory. Whilst we're at it, she also has 'issues' with "Modern Paganism" Groups on Facebook.
You can see why we get on .
What a very strange reply .
The question wasn't really about facts though, more perceptions.
Nearly everybody I ask thinks they were built as tombs for Pharos and yet there not.
The problem with ancient history is there are very little facts I'm afraid which means you do have to fantasize over the unknowns some what, there is no definitive answer to the pyramids, how they were built, why they were built is still relatively guesswork.
Personally I like to think they were the ancient Egyptian equivalent of roadside art.
Graffiti artists with a passion "
Maybe not graffiti... The ancient Egyptians did plenty of that too (much of it is well preserved in excavated work camps). But their version of the Angel of the North, Mount Rushmore, The Statue of Liberty... The Egyptians were prolific monument builders.... The Sphinx, Obelisks, Colossi to name but a few, so why not the pyramids too? There are hundreds of smaller ones and ziggurats scattered along the banks of the Nile and out into the desert... The Nile was, after all, the ancients' motorway. |
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"I’m a not so ancient history lover. My thing is serial killers, the psychology, the forensics.
They have this air of mystery and power to them, that as you dig deeper, that veneer cracks, exposing pathetic individuals, caught up in there own past, a lot never rising above one defining moment.
Many are low intelligence, the smart ones are infinitely more fascinating.
In the interest of disclosure, I am more up on my American serial killers, I lived there for over 14 years, although remember sutcliffe and Fred and Rose although not gone into them as much"
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"Ask the person next to you this question.
What were the great pyramids of Giza built for?.
I'll tell you the answer I usually get, burial tombs for Pharos!
My imaginary girlfriend on the sofa says she 'Prefers to stick to the facts, not fantasizing over the unknowns until there's more evidence to mull over. Leave Aliens and the like to Conspiracy Theory territory. Whilst we're at it, she also has 'issues' with "Modern Paganism" Groups on Facebook.
You can see why we get on .
What a very strange reply .
The question wasn't really about facts though, more perceptions.
Nearly everybody I ask thinks they were built as tombs for Pharos and yet there not.
The problem with ancient history is there are very little facts I'm afraid which means you do have to fantasize over the unknowns some what, there is no definitive answer to the pyramids, how they were built, why they were built is still relatively guesswork.
Personally I like to think they were the ancient Egyptian equivalent of roadside art.
Graffiti artists with a passion
Maybe not graffiti... The ancient Egyptians did plenty of that too (much of it is well preserved in excavated work camps). But their version of the Angel of the North, Mount Rushmore, The Statue of Liberty... The Egyptians were prolific monument builders.... The Sphinx, Obelisks, Colossi to name but a few, so why not the pyramids too? There are hundreds of smaller ones and ziggurats scattered along the banks of the Nile and out into the desert... The Nile was, after all, the ancients' motorway. "
Lots of new information about to be slowly uncovered over the next few years.. with new technology and new finds along the Nile basin. Hopefully with it will come answers and bucket loads more questions.
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"Mongol, Roman, Pirates, Greek, Wild West, WW, Tudor, Georgian, Victorian, Celt, Viking, Anglo-Saxon, Assyrian, Ancient Egyptian, Mayan, Incan, Inuit, Cherokee, Mughal, Shogun Japan..
Anything.. Wot u like? Why? People? Places? Heroes, Villains, Incredulous characters and events only the entire history of humanity could dredge up."
James Holland, tonight, BBC4 - World War Speed. I think we'll enjoy it.
I'm wondering if he'll mention the story of the Lancaster pilot that he did in his book Big Week. |
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"Mongol, Roman, Pirates, Greek, Wild West, WW, Tudor, Georgian, Victorian, Celt, Viking, Anglo-Saxon, Assyrian, Ancient Egyptian, Mayan, Incan, Inuit, Cherokee, Mughal, Shogun Japan..
Anything.. Wot u like? Why? People? Places? Heroes, Villains, Incredulous characters and events only the entire history of humanity could dredge up.
James Holland, tonight, BBC4 - World War Speed. I think we'll enjoy it.
I'm wondering if he'll mention the story of the Lancaster pilot that he did in his book Big Week. "
Lord Bankes gifted the national trust the Isle of purbeck in the 1800s it was the largest gift the national trust ever received, the pig hotel and restaurant was their summer residence a beautiful place still today |
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"Mongol, Roman, Pirates, Greek, Wild West, WW, Tudor, Georgian, Victorian, Celt, Viking, Anglo-Saxon, Assyrian, Ancient Egyptian, Mayan, Incan, Inuit, Cherokee, Mughal, Shogun Japan..
Anything.. Wot u like? Why? People? Places? Heroes, Villains, Incredulous characters and events only the entire history of humanity could dredge up.
James Holland, tonight, BBC4 - World War Speed. I think we'll enjoy it.
I'm wondering if he'll mention the story of the Lancaster pilot that he did in his book Big Week. "
I may watch it.. someone may offer to do naughty things to me instead.. fingers crossed. |
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I like the ancient stuff best. The bronze age - after The Holocene. The times when history went dark and you feel you only see small snippets into the lives from tombs and waste and monolithic creations. Things that make you sit down and wonder what and why. Inspire a sense of tribal memory. |
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I rather like people, we are living history, and that connection with all our pasts often it's far more enticing than wars leaders half truths written by the Victor's in battles or despots and tyrants.
Theres an atmosphere to historic places too, almost a half hidden memory of all that's gone before in the life of buildings ruins ancient monuments that sat quietly in their presence can sometimes be felt.
Leave me to wander in ancient places, let me read all that's written, for in those past places the future is formed.
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"I like the ancient stuff best. The bronze age - after The Holocene. The times when history went dark and you feel you only see small snippets into the lives from tombs and waste and monolithic creations. Things that make you sit down and wonder what and why. Inspire a sense of tribal memory. "
Yes.. a time before.. something eternal that lies in everyones heart. Deep down, whether they deny it or not. Sense of self in tribe, acceptance and love. |
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Theres an atmosphere to historic places too, almost a half hidden memory of all that's gone before in the life of buildings ruins ancient monuments that sat quietly in their presence can sometimes be felt.
Leave me to wander in ancient places, let me read all that's written, for in those past places the future is formed.
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That's lovely. Did you write that? I've googled around it but can't find it or see that it's a derivation of original quote. |
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Theres an atmosphere to historic places too, almost a half hidden memory of all that's gone before in the life of buildings ruins ancient monuments that sat quietly in their presence can sometimes be felt.
Leave me to wander in ancient places, let me read all that's written, for in those past places the future is formed.
That's lovely. Did you write that? I've googled around it but can't find it or see that it's a derivation of original quote. "
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Theres an atmosphere to historic places too, almost a half hidden memory of all that's gone before in the life of buildings ruins ancient monuments that sat quietly in their presence can sometimes be felt.
Leave me to wander in ancient places, let me read all that's written, for in those past places the future is formed.
That's lovely. Did you write that? I've googled around it but can't find it or see that it's a derivation of original quote.
All mine. I'm not important enough for google to ever store anything I say or do.
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You definitely have a way of capturing a moment |
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"I’m a not so ancient history lover. My thing is serial killers, the psychology, the forensics.
They have this air of mystery and power to them, that as you dig deeper, that veneer cracks, exposing pathetic individuals, caught up in there own past, a lot never rising above one defining moment.
Many are low intelligence, the smart ones are infinitely more fascinating.
In the interest of disclosure, I am more up on my American serial killers, I lived there for over 14 years, although remember sutcliffe and Fred and Rose although not gone into them as much
Ooh now this whole subject also fascinates me. "
What do you want to know?..... |
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Theres an atmosphere to historic places too, almost a half hidden memory of all that's gone before in the life of buildings ruins ancient monuments that sat quietly in their presence can sometimes be felt.
Leave me to wander in ancient places, let me read all that's written, for in those past places the future is formed.
That's lovely. Did you write that? I've googled around it but can't find it or see that it's a derivation of original quote.
All mine. I'm not important enough for google to ever store anything I say or do.
You definitely have a way of capturing a moment "
Thank you.
Yet holding the most important moment for anything beyond the moment is far harder to do.
Sometimes a single moment can linger in the memory for ever, no matter how you try to shake it away....
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As someone intrested in the English Civil War and Restoration period I stumble across a new bit of History I didn't know before:
Apparently a state of War existested between the Isles of Scilly and Neverlands for 335 years. Peace was only declared in 1986 between the Isles and the Neverlands.
(However just to be a party pooper the man who declare war on the behalf of the Neverlands on the Isles may not have had the right authority to do so. Thus the state of War may not have been legit in the first place. Also the peace agreement in 1986 may not had been needed because the state of War would have probably been removed by a treaty signed by England and the United Provinces at the end of the First Ducth War. But I'm happy to go with the war being 335 years long) |
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"Ask the person next to you this question.
What were the great pyramids of Giza built for?.
I'll tell you the answer I usually get, burial tombs for Pharos!
My imaginary girlfriend on the sofa says she 'Prefers to stick to the facts, not fantasizing over the unknowns until there's more evidence to mull over. Leave Aliens and the like to Conspiracy Theory territory. Whilst we're at it, she also has 'issues' with "Modern Paganism" Groups on Facebook.
You can see why we get on .
What a very strange reply .
The question wasn't really about facts though, more perceptions.
Nearly everybody I ask thinks they were built as tombs for Pharos and yet there not.
The problem with ancient history is there are very little facts I'm afraid which means you do have to fantasize over the unknowns some what, there is no definitive answer to the pyramids, how they were built, why they were built is still relatively guesswork.
Personally I like to think they were the ancient Egyptian equivalent of roadside art. "
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Robert schoch has for 20+ years been hypothesising that the sphinx is a 12,000 year old equinoxial marker and he's got an awful lot of science to back up his hypothesis, for decades most academics wouldn't hear it because they didn't believe any sophisticated civilization existed prior to 3000bc but with the recent excavation of gobleki tepe dated at 10,000 years old many are now reconsidering past assumptions, the recent evidence discovered for an event 12,000 years ago that wiped out sophisticated cultures is now building steadily. |
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"I have a great love of history and leads to where we are today
To often you get asked by the younger generation, is that really true? Of course some things are factual names, places, monuments, however we can only surmise from arttifacts found, lost cities, or know what we know because someone chose to write it down.
That’s one person’s perception of what happened. Add to this the different languages these would have originally been written or told in. Over the years translations and word of mouth could change some facts to enhance an achievement, a story is born
It’s a big line of C_inese whispers, you’ll only really know if you were there and saw it with your own eyes.
Yes.. which is partly why I like historical fiction that tries it's best to keep close to historical fact. "
... Faction ?? Bernard Cornwall is a master at this along with Ben Kane. .. |
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Shaka Zulu.... conquered most of southern Africa. .. he formed the only organised native 'army' complete with battalions, generals, and military tactics which interestingly mirrored those of the Spartans of which he had no knowledge.... The Zulu where the only 'native' army to defeat the British in a battle too.... X |
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"Shaka Zulu.... conquered most of southern Africa. .. he formed the only organised native 'army' complete with battalions, generals, and military tactics which interestingly mirrored those of the Spartans of which he had no knowledge.... The Zulu where the only 'native' army to defeat the British in a battle too.... X"
Very eerie place islandwhana (apologies for spelling) regret not making it to rorkes drift..
As a 5 year old going to school old man told me be at school gates at 2.30 and to tell teacher (things different in those days) I had to leave early.. Collected me into town for afternoon matinee to see the film zulu...
I think I was totally mesmerised and saw my first breasts... Sparked an interest evermore.. Once upon a time you'd gaurentee it was one the films on at Christmas...
Another film he took me to see same period was blue max.... Never forgot scene with ursula andress bathing in tin Bath.... Don't ask me why but have always been partial to blondes since..
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"Shaka Zulu.... conquered most of southern Africa. .. he formed the only organised native 'army' complete with battalions, generals, and military tactics which interestingly mirrored those of the Spartans of which he had no knowledge.... The Zulu where the only 'native' army to defeat the British in a battle too.... X
Very eerie place islandwhana (apologies for spelling) regret not making it to rorkes drift..
As a 5 year old going to school old man told me be at school gates at 2.30 and to tell teacher (things different in those days) I had to leave early.. Collected me into town for afternoon matinee to see the film zulu...
I think I was totally mesmerised and saw my first breasts... Sparked an interest evermore.. Once upon a time you'd gaurentee it was one the films on at Christmas...
Another film he took me to see same period was blue max.... Never forgot scene with ursula andress bathing in tin Bath.... Don't ask me why but have always been partial to blondes since..
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It's a cracking bit of history and the film is great. Although one done from a Zulu perspective would be interesting.
I was in the Royal Engineers, whose presence is represented by the two Officers.
Every year on the anniversary we had to go to Squadron Bar and watch Zulu and Zulu Dawn back to back. Each of us given a character with a list of drinks to consume whenever a certain phrase was said by them.
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"Shaka Zulu.... conquered most of southern Africa. .. he formed the only organised native 'army' complete with battalions, generals, and military tactics which interestingly mirrored those of the Spartans of which he had no knowledge.... The Zulu where the only 'native' army to defeat the British in a battle too.... X
Very eerie place islandwhana (apologies for spelling) regret not making it to rorkes drift..
As a 5 year old going to school old man told me be at school gates at 2.30 and to tell teacher (things different in those days) I had to leave early.. Collected me into town for afternoon matinee to see the film zulu...
I think I was totally mesmerised and saw my first breasts... Sparked an interest evermore.. Once upon a time you'd gaurentee it was one the films on at Christmas...
Another film he took me to see same period was blue max.... Never forgot scene with ursula andress bathing in tin Bath.... Don't ask me why but have always been partial to blondes since..
It's a cracking bit of history and the film is great. Although one done from a Zulu perspective would be interesting.
I was in the Royal Engineers, whose presence is represented by the two Officers.
Every year on the anniversary we had to go to Squadron Bar and watch Zulu and Zulu Dawn back to back. Each of us given a character with a list of drinks to consume whenever a certain phrase was said by them.
Nobody made it out sober. "
... I'm always surprised that the prequel 'Zulu Dawn' doesn't get the same credit .. Bob Hoskins portrayel of a sergeant major is epic...
Now I don't wish to dismiss the gallantry of the guys at Rorkes drift as it is certainly a truly heroic display of courage... but the majority of the Zulu force had already 'washed their spears' at Islandawa and their was a harvest to gather before the winter so where they as committed to victory as they could of been ? X |
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"Shaka Zulu.... conquered most of southern Africa. .. he formed the only organised native 'army' complete with battalions, generals, and military tactics which interestingly mirrored those of the Spartans of which he had no knowledge.... The Zulu where the only 'native' army to defeat the British in a battle too.... X
Very eerie place islandwhana (apologies for spelling) regret not making it to rorkes drift..
As a 5 year old going to school old man told me be at school gates at 2.30 and to tell teacher (things different in those days) I had to leave early.. Collected me into town for afternoon matinee to see the film zulu...
I think I was totally mesmerised and saw my first breasts... Sparked an interest evermore.. Once upon a time you'd gaurentee it was one the films on at Christmas...
Another film he took me to see same period was blue max.... Never forgot scene with ursula andress bathing in tin Bath.... Don't ask me why but have always been partial to blondes since..
It's a cracking bit of history and the film is great. Although one done from a Zulu perspective would be interesting.
I was in the Royal Engineers, whose presence is represented by the two Officers.
Every year on the anniversary we had to go to Squadron Bar and watch Zulu and Zulu Dawn back to back. Each of us given a character with a list of drinks to consume whenever a certain phrase was said by them.
Nobody made it out sober. ... I'm always surprised that the prequel 'Zulu Dawn' doesn't get the same credit .. Bob Hoskins portrayel of a sergeant major is epic...
Now I don't wish to dismiss the gallantry of the guys at Rorkes drift as it is certainly a truly heroic display of courage... but the majority of the Zulu force had already 'washed their spears' at Islandawa and their was a harvest to gather before the winter so where they as committed to victory as they could of been ? X"
if it's an existential threat like it was.. you'd like to think so.
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"Shaka Zulu.... conquered most of southern Africa. .. he formed the only organised native 'army' complete with battalions, generals, and military tactics which interestingly mirrored those of the Spartans of which he had no knowledge.... The Zulu where the only 'native' army to defeat the British in a battle too.... X
Very eerie place islandwhana (apologies for spelling) regret not making it to rorkes drift..
As a 5 year old going to school old man told me be at school gates at 2.30 and to tell teacher (things different in those days) I had to leave early.. Collected me into town for afternoon matinee to see the film zulu...
I think I was totally mesmerised and saw my first breasts... Sparked an interest evermore.. Once upon a time you'd gaurentee it was one the films on at Christmas...
Another film he took me to see same period was blue max.... Never forgot scene with ursula andress bathing in tin Bath.... Don't ask me why but have always been partial to blondes since..
It's a cracking bit of history and the film is great. Although one done from a Zulu perspective would be interesting.
I was in the Royal Engineers, whose presence is represented by the two Officers.
Every year on the anniversary we had to go to Squadron Bar and watch Zulu and Zulu Dawn back to back. Each of us given a character with a list of drinks to consume whenever a certain phrase was said by them.
Nobody made it out sober. ... I'm always surprised that the prequel 'Zulu Dawn' doesn't get the same credit .. Bob Hoskins portrayel of a sergeant major is epic...
Now I don't wish to dismiss the gallantry of the guys at Rorkes drift as it is certainly a truly heroic display of courage... but the majority of the Zulu force had already 'washed their spears' at Islandawa and their was a harvest to gather before the winter so where they as committed to victory as they could of been ? X
if it's an existential threat like it was.. you'd like to think so.
Kind of hard to run up against rifles.. however motivated."
This is true the carnage must of been mind blowing for a young zulu warrior ... as for the long term threat I don't think the Zulu king Cetswayo understood the resolve or dare I say it the greed of the British Empire... in his mind he had kicked their butts at Islandawa and that would be the end of it... |
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"Shaka Zulu.... conquered most of southern Africa. .. he formed the only organised native 'army' complete with battalions, generals, and military tactics which interestingly mirrored those of the Spartans of which he had no knowledge.... The Zulu where the only 'native' army to defeat the British in a battle too.... X
Very eerie place islandwhana (apologies for spelling) regret not making it to rorkes drift..
As a 5 year old going to school old man told me be at school gates at 2.30 and to tell teacher (things different in those days) I had to leave early.. Collected me into town for afternoon matinee to see the film zulu...
I think I was totally mesmerised and saw my first breasts... Sparked an interest evermore.. Once upon a time you'd gaurentee it was one the films on at Christmas...
Another film he took me to see same period was blue max.... Never forgot scene with ursula andress bathing in tin Bath.... Don't ask me why but have always been partial to blondes since..
It's a cracking bit of history and the film is great. Although one done from a Zulu perspective would be interesting.
I was in the Royal Engineers, whose presence is represented by the two Officers.
Every year on the anniversary we had to go to Squadron Bar and watch Zulu and Zulu Dawn back to back. Each of us given a character with a list of drinks to consume whenever a certain phrase was said by them.
Nobody made it out sober. ... I'm always surprised that the prequel 'Zulu Dawn' doesn't get the same credit .. Bob Hoskins portrayel of a sergeant major is epic...
Now I don't wish to dismiss the gallantry of the guys at Rorkes drift as it is certainly a truly heroic display of courage... but the majority of the Zulu force had already 'washed their spears' at Islandawa and their was a harvest to gather before the winter so where they as committed to victory as they could of been ? X
if it's an existential threat like it was.. you'd like to think so.
Kind of hard to run up against rifles.. however motivated.This is true the carnage must of been mind blowing for a young zulu warrior ... as for the long term threat I don't think the Zulu king Cetswayo understood the resolve or dare I say it the greed of the British Empire... in his mind he had kicked their butts at Islandawa and that would be the end of it... "
Young and old alike.. anyone can pull a trigger.. it takes years of training to fight hand to hand.. well. |
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"Shaka Zulu.... conquered most of southern Africa. .. he formed the only organised native 'army' complete with battalions, generals, and military tactics which interestingly mirrored those of the Spartans of which he had no knowledge.... The Zulu where the only 'native' army to defeat the British in a battle too.... X
Very eerie place islandwhana (apologies for spelling) regret not making it to rorkes drift..
As a 5 year old going to school old man told me be at school gates at 2.30 and to tell teacher (things different in those days) I had to leave early.. Collected me into town for afternoon matinee to see the film zulu...
I think I was totally mesmerised and saw my first breasts... Sparked an interest evermore.. Once upon a time you'd gaurentee it was one the films on at Christmas...
Another film he took me to see same period was blue max.... Never forgot scene with ursula andress bathing in tin Bath.... Don't ask me why but have always been partial to blondes since..
It's a cracking bit of history and the film is great. Although one done from a Zulu perspective would be interesting.
I was in the Royal Engineers, whose presence is represented by the two Officers.
Every year on the anniversary we had to go to Squadron Bar and watch Zulu and Zulu Dawn back to back. Each of us given a character with a list of drinks to consume whenever a certain phrase was said by them.
Nobody made it out sober. ... I'm always surprised that the prequel 'Zulu Dawn' doesn't get the same credit .. Bob Hoskins portrayel of a sergeant major is epic...
Now I don't wish to dismiss the gallantry of the guys at Rorkes drift as it is certainly a truly heroic display of courage... but the majority of the Zulu force had already 'washed their spears' at Islandawa and their was a harvest to gather before the winter so where they as committed to victory as they could of been ? X
if it's an existential threat like it was.. you'd like to think so.
Kind of hard to run up against rifles.. however motivated.This is true the carnage must of been mind blowing for a young zulu warrior ... as for the long term threat I don't think the Zulu king Cetswayo understood the resolve or dare I say it the greed of the British Empire... in his mind he had kicked their butts at Islandawa and that would be the end of it...
Young and old alike.. anyone can pull a trigger.. it takes years of training to fight hand to hand.. well. "
... well said sir .... The reason I state young is because the majority of the Zulu force at Rorkes Drift would have been young bucks hoping to wash their spears in blood as under Zulu law a young warrior had to prove his worth in battle before he was permitted to marry ... it must of also been a scary site for the brits too surely they wouldn't of encountered anything like this before ... The Zulu is a bug guy GK and the assagai is a truly efficent weapon in trained hands |
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"There's Timewatch documentary on Youtube about Rourkes Drift.
It was promoted as a historic defense to deflect from the battle and defeat earlier in the day which was seen as a major disaster."
The battle of Isandlwana .......I had to check spelling |
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"Shaka Zulu.... conquered most of southern Africa. .. he formed the only organised native 'army' complete with battalions, generals, and military tactics which interestingly mirrored those of the Spartans of which he had no knowledge.... The Zulu where the only 'native' army to defeat the British in a battle too.... X
Very eerie place islandwhana (apologies for spelling) regret not making it to rorkes drift..
As a 5 year old going to school old man told me be at school gates at 2.30 and to tell teacher (things different in those days) I had to leave early.. Collected me into town for afternoon matinee to see the film zulu...
I think I was totally mesmerised and saw my first breasts... Sparked an interest evermore.. Once upon a time you'd gaurentee it was one the films on at Christmas...
Another film he took me to see same period was blue max.... Never forgot scene with ursula andress bathing in tin Bath.... Don't ask me why but have always been partial to blondes since..
It's a cracking bit of history and the film is great. Although one done from a Zulu perspective would be interesting.
I was in the Royal Engineers, whose presence is represented by the two Officers.
Every year on the anniversary we had to go to Squadron Bar and watch Zulu and Zulu Dawn back to back. Each of us given a character with a list of drinks to consume whenever a certain phrase was said by them.
Nobody made it out sober. ... I'm always surprised that the prequel 'Zulu Dawn' doesn't get the same credit .. Bob Hoskins portrayel of a sergeant major is epic...
Now I don't wish to dismiss the gallantry of the guys at Rorkes drift as it is certainly a truly heroic display of courage... but the majority of the Zulu force had already 'washed their spears' at Islandawa and their was a harvest to gather before the winter so where they as committed to victory as they could of been ? X"
I thought the impi that attacked rorkes drift had missed out isandwanah hence the eagerness as stated above to wash their spears... |
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over a year ago
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"Social history for me, I like the history of sex, society, medicine, welfare. Glaze over a bit at treaties and battles."
they say the "red man " was doomed when the first trader showed up, showed them what they couldn't make themselves, glass beads, steel knives, iron pots (along with diseases, )
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