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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Its just been announced Dwain Chambers lifetime ban for drug taking has been overturned by the courts and he’s now eligible to for Olympic selection subject to qualification ,,,,
Just seems all wrong to me!!!!!
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"He's still got to get picked though. I don't think anyone automatically qualifies, no matter how well they do"
In that case , I hope he doesn't get picked even if he managed to smoke Usain Bolts world record just jogging to the chemist for a packet of rubbers….!.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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2 points if I may.
"Let him without sin cast the first stone"
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"Better a sinner who has repented than to never have sinned"
The guy broke the rules. He paid the price and he has shown he is capable of competing fairly and you don't get 'life' for murder. He has also contributed to getting people off all drugs so maybe cut the guy a bit of slack and lets see what he can do. Just for once I think we should note this man has rights as well as responsibilities. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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It won't be the first time the GB Olympic committee have u-turned on their own rules. Anyone remember the Zola Budd affair? She was about as British as Gunga Din, and after she failed spectacularly to win the 3000m in 1984 she eventually slinked back to South Africa never to be seen again until 1992 when she represented South Africa in Barcelona.
Nothing the GB Olympic Committee does surprises me. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"2 points if I may.
"Let him without sin cast the first stone"
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"Better a sinner who has repented than to never have sinned"
The guy broke the rules. He paid the price and he has shown he is capable of competing fairly and you don't get 'life' for murder. He has also contributed to getting people off all drugs so maybe cut the guy a bit of slack and lets see what he can do. Just for once I think we should note this man has rights as well as responsibilities."
Yes he may well have paid a price for his choices .....
But surely your not ok with the concept that now we have a situation where some other athelete who’s never cheated and has spent many years preparing themselves for this chance to qualify for the Olympic games could now lose their chance for selection to a man who’s benefited from using drugs during the years of preparation it takes to achieve such standards .
Nah,,,, its wrong !!! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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There seems to be some double standards going on here where a person can commit a crime, go to jail, serve his/her sentence and then be welcomed back into the community as a reformed character, yet another person caught cheating in sport, banned from said sport, serves his/her time and is then allowed back to compete as a reformed character is still villified. |
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so in every other walk of life people are given 2nd chances or allowed to get on with what they are good at buy not sport - if every country had the same set of rules it may be different - but there are all sorts of ramifications possile if he is prevented from carrying out his trade |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"so in every other walk of life people are given 2nd chances or allowed to get on with what they are good at buy not sport - if every country had the same set of rules it may be different - but there are all sorts of ramifications possile if he is prevented from carrying out his trade "
Oh no, not the dreaded Human Rights thingy.  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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I don’t have a problem with societies need to accept lawful punishment as restitution,,,,,,for me, it’s more a lack of respect for upholding the moral value of sportsmanship that grips my shit ……!!! |
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"so in every other walk of life people are given 2nd chances or allowed to get on with what they are good at buy not sport - if every country had the same set of rules it may be different - but there are all sorts of ramifications possile if he is prevented from carrying out his trade
Oh no, not the dreaded Human Rights thingy. "
No european law |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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I think GB is the only team that imposes a life ban for failing a dope test. Other countries have short terms of disqualification.
Footballers aren't banned sine die when they are caught taking drugs. Why should athletes? |
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"I don’t have a problem with societies need to accept lawful punishment as restitution,,,,,,for me, it’s more a lack of respect for upholding the moral value of sportsmanship that grips my shit ……!!! "
Wow and do you think bankers and their ilk give a toss who they trample on to get to the top - most sports are a business - morals go out the window when there's money involved |
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By *eridotWoman
over a year ago
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Well said, I completely agree with you.
"2 points if I may.
"Let him without sin cast the first stone"
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"Better a sinner who has repented than to never have sinned"
The guy broke the rules. He paid the price and he has shown he is capable of competing fairly and you don't get 'life' for murder. He has also contributed to getting people off all drugs so maybe cut the guy a bit of slack and lets see what he can do. Just for once I think we should note this man has rights as well as responsibilities."
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I don’t have a problem with societies need to accept lawful punishment as restitution,,,,,,for me, it’s more a lack of respect for upholding the moral value of sportsmanship that grips my shit ……!!!
Wow and do you think bankers and their ilk give a toss who they trample on to get to the top - most sports are a business - morals go out the window when there's money involved"
Sorry Sam.... you've lost me there mate introducing bankers into the fray.....
I thought we were talking about a so called sportsman who got caught cheating taking drugs and who might well have carried on cheating had he not been caught......
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"I don’t have a problem with societies need to accept lawful punishment as restitution,,,,,,for me, it’s more a lack of respect for upholding the moral value of sportsmanship that grips my shit ……!!!
Wow and do you think bankers and their ilk give a toss who they trample on to get to the top - most sports are a business - morals go out the window when there's money involved
Sorry Sam.... you've lost me there mate introducing bankers into the fray.....
I thought we were talking about a so called sportsman who got caught cheating taking drugs and who might well have carried on cheating had he not been caught......
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You raised the question of morals i was using bankers as an example to show that morals are not considered in many businesses and top level sport is a business  |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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the issue isn't the fact that the BOA bans drugs cheats.... the issue is that the BOA does it for a 1st time offenders....
the rules for most sports under the olympic banner is that you get a mandatory 2 year ban for a 1st offence and a lifetime ban for a 2nd offence...
so it wasn't the likes of dwain chambers and david millar who took the BOA to the court of arbitration for sport (CAS).. it was WADA (World Anti Doping Agency) who said the BOA stance on the issue was too strict and out of step with every other olympic association... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I think GB is the only team that imposes a life ban for failing a dope test. Other countries have short terms of disqualification.
Footballers aren't banned sine die when they are caught taking drugs. Why should athletes?"
Actually footballers are or were banned from the Olympics for life the same as any other British sportsman. Of course footballers never test positive so it's not an issue.
But yes the BOA's life ban is unique - no other country has similar. The other person that this effects is the cyclist David Millar, he was banned prior to the 2004 Olympics but missed the 2008 games due to the BOA life ban. Compare and contrast to the French cyclist Gregor Bauge, last Autumn the French authorities back dated his ban so that he can compete in London.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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So we now seem to arrive at a situation where records could be set by cheats who’s enhanced their performance with drugs becoming unrealistic targets for future generation of athletes who don’t cheat….!.
hmmmmm, Sounds to me like undetected cheating has the potential to become the new standard of excellence in sport….!. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"the issue isn't the fact that the BOA bans drugs cheats.... the issue is that the BOA does it for a 1st time offenders....
the rules for most sports under the olympic banner is that you get a mandatory 2 year ban for a 1st offence and a lifetime ban for a 2nd offence...
so it wasn't the likes of dwain chambers and david millar who took the BOA to the court of arbitration for sport (CAS).. it was WADA (World Anti Doping Agency) who said the BOA stance on the issue was too strict and out of step with every other olympic association..."
Are you sure Chambers hasn;t been pushing for this? I'm sure he has been very vocal in trying to get his ban overturned. Unlike Millar who has always accepted it. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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i dont have a problem with him competing.it was 9 years ago he took thg.the effects have long gone.
a hell of alot of athletes take hormones or steroids.
i cant say anything,i wouldnt be allowed to compete either  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"So we now seem to arrive at a situation where records could be set by cheats who’s enhanced their performance with drugs becoming unrealistic targets for future generation of athletes who don’t cheat….!.
hmmmmm, Sounds to me like undetected cheating has the potential to become the new standard of excellence in sport….!. "
It is happening already. Look at the difference between British athletes and out of competition testing under the whereabouts program and the Jamaican sprinters who are subject to no out of competition testing. And it is doping in training where the real gains are made.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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...can I add:
Has anyone realised that maybe this guy had to work twice as hard to get rid of the effects of whatever drugs he took and then prove how good he genuinely was.
I think if we are exercised about any moralistic issues we ought to worry more about the 'Plastic Brits' the Committee are importing from anywhere to improve our medal chances.
And anyway Cal Cruchlow was 4th in MotoGP. Again. Cue Bryan May playing the National Anthem .. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"So we now seem to arrive at a situation where records could be set by cheats who’s enhanced their performance with drugs becoming unrealistic targets for future generation of athletes who don’t cheat….!.
hmmmmm, Sounds to me like undetected cheating has the potential to become the new standard of excellence in sport….!. "
actually what happened is that any record broken by a person tested positive for drugs is automatically wiped from the records for 4 years prior to when they were caught......  |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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Are you sure Chambers hasn;t been pushing for this? I'm sure he has been very vocal in trying to get his ban overturned. Unlike Millar who has always accepted it."
chambers and a uk shot puter carl myerscough actaully appealed to the BOA themselves and that was rejected... the Shot putter was only 19 when he was banned for 2 years.... |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"So we now seem to arrive at a situation where records could be set by cheats who’s enhanced their performance with drugs becoming unrealistic targets for future generation of athletes who don’t cheat….!.
hmmmmm, Sounds to me like undetected cheating has the potential to become the new standard of excellence in sport….!.
actually what happened is that any record broken by a person tested positive for drugs is automatically wiped from the records for 4 years prior to when they were caught...... "
Which is fair enough Fabio.... But what about the cheats who don't get caught,,,? The testing process is only as good as it's limitations and if we show tolerance to cheats, we will always get cheats.. |
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By *ove2-shareCouple
over a year ago
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does anyone ever remember anyone who came second to Dwaine Chambers in any race? by cheating he denide other hopefully drug free racers from winning races, gaetting better endorsements, and possible training facilities so people lost out due to him, Id love to see the BOA assist people in suing for loss of earnings if people thought they would be sued as well as disgraced and barred (for life ) it mightmake them think twice
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By (user no longer on site)
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"He's still got to get picked though. I don't think anyone automatically qualifies, no matter how well they do
In that case , I hope he doesn't get picked even if he managed to smoke Usain Bolts world record just jogging to the chemist for a packet of rubbers….!.
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to do that he would have to make one hell of a jamaican woodbine. i hear these surface to air missile launchers there planning on putting round london aint really to shoot down hi jacked planes more to fire a rocket up dwains arse in the hope they can spur him on to gold in the 100 metres. |
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crazy thinking here but at the time of his ban the sentence was lifetime ban from representing your country so he definatly shouldnt be allowed to compete for britain he took drugs and knew the consequences only my view (and i only watch the female gymnastics anyway) |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"does anyone ever remember anyone who came second to Dwaine Chambers in any race? by cheating he denide other hopefully drug free racers from winning races, gaetting better endorsements, and possible training facilities so people lost out due to him, Id love to see the BOA assist people in suing for loss of earnings if people thought they would be sued as well as disgraced and barred (for life ) it mightmake them think twice
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The person finishing second was probably doping too. Athletics is rife with it and so long as the rewards which come with success are so great it always will be. Personally I don't care, if everybody dopes, which they will have at one point or another then the best athletes still win.
Your idea simply seems vindictive and totally unworkable. What if many years later retrospective testing of past samples using new detection methods (as happened with cyclists using EPO) showed that the athlete finishing second was also doping? Would the BOA then help the sued winning athlete counter sue the athlete in second place? And so on and so forth...
The ban for life was always silly. It's draconian and petty. I'm glad it's been overturned - hopefully Le Tour rider David Millar will be making a return to the Olympics on the back of it :D |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"crazy thinking here but at the time of his ban the sentence was lifetime ban from representing your country so he definatly shouldnt be allowed to compete for britain he took drugs and knew the consequences only my view (and i only watch the female gymnastics anyway) "
Its hard to accept someone after a ban but if other countries do it then why not Britain. It would be better though if we had other runners untainted by their past. |
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"does anyone ever remember anyone who came second to Dwaine Chambers in any race? by cheating he denide other hopefully drug free racers from winning races, gaetting better endorsements, and possible training facilities so people lost out due to him, Id love to see the BOA assist people in suing for loss of earnings if people thought they would be sued as well as disgraced and barred (for life ) it mightmake them think twice
The person finishing second was probably doping too. Athletics is rife with it and so long as the rewards which come with success are so great it always will be. Personally I don't care, if everybody dopes, which they will have at one point or another then the best athletes still win.
Your idea simply seems vindictive and totally unworkable. What if many years later retrospective testing of past samples using new detection methods (as happened with cyclists using EPO) showed that the athlete finishing second was also doping? Would the BOA then help the sued winning athlete counter sue the athlete in second place? And so on and so forth...
The ban for life was always silly. It's draconian and petty. I'm glad it's been overturned - hopefully Le Tour rider David Millar will be making a return to the Olympics on the back of it :D"
drug taking is illegal for a reason my point stands at the time of his ban the sentence was lifetime ban it should stand as for the athlete in second later being found out ban him as well and so on and so fourth until you gotta declare a nonrace sends a clear message that drugs will not be accepted just my opinion |
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By *ugby 123Couple
over a year ago
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I am a big believer of people getting a second chance.......but when the girl who had come back from a dodgy drugs result won a medal at China ....I can't say I got as excited watching it as I did at the others who won...so I am guessing I would say no he shouldn't be allowed. |
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