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By *ackal1 OP   Couple  over a year ago

Manchester

Having watched the latest government farce over Cummings and looking back at the last 40 years of our country’s leaders, am I alone in thinking how far this country of ours has fallen?

It saddens me as I travel a lot and I see how old-fashioned and tepid we all are becoming as a nation.

Our political leaders on both sides are so poor we are fast becoming a butt of the worlds jokes.

Although a remainer myself I can see why so may people grasped and hoped for change by voting leave and Boris duly exploited this hope for his own agenda. (Not sure what his agenda is if I’m honest)

In the recent election I don’t blame anyone voting how they did Which ever way they chose as the choices were horrific.

We had a far left Marxist who would have destroyed the economy or a right wing village idiot who will take any amount of money from whoever just to be in power. He has no idea what to do now he in in power sadly.

Our rich South East has only gotten richer as our own governments subsidised it’s growth rather than giving fairly to all areas.

The Country’s resentment is totally understandable.

We have short sighted investment attitudes so if it doesn’t make money in year three we don’t invest . Our European competitors invest long term with an eye to the future.

We’re all ranting on about a new high speed rail link .

The french opened their first high speed train 40 years ago!! So we are 50 years behind yes 50!!

We have the lowest amount of motorway in Europe in relation the wealth and number of cars in the country.

Remember Prescott saying we won’t spend money on roads to force people to use public transport. What a bloody fool!!

How did he get to be in government????

I think we need a new way of looking at how our country is managed .

We have 650MPs and over a thousand lords . That’s just the tip of the gravy train.

Countries such as India with a billion people have less MPs .

I’m not a communist or in need of a dictator I’m just fed up with slow incompetent system we have which just seems so not fit for purpose anymore.

How can we still allow the paper waving and jeering like schoolboys in the house? It’s embarrassing ( yes I know my history but they don’t carry a swords into parliament these days either so that gap in the middle isn’t needed as well ).

It’s been refreshing watching PM’s question time when it’s actually a debate rather than a shouting match. (yes I’ve been that bored I’ve been watching it)

Btw MPs should have to live in a constituency for a least five years prior before being able to run for Parliament . Proper local representation. No more toe the line party members being parachuted in!

Sorry to be so miserable but fuck it I’ve had enough of this shower!!

Can someone please start a modern forward looking political party?

I’m too old and definitely not rich enough? Yes you need lots of money sadly or have access to a friendly billionaire who wants to become a millionaire!!

Our once great country can be great again but it needs a bloody good clearing out of the stinking corrupt system at the top.

Stay safe everyone and when they lift those restrictions, slowly but surely we are going to have so much disgraceful fun!!!

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By *ionelhutzMan  over a year ago

liverpool

If wanting to increase the minimum wage makes you a far left Marxisti trully despair.

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By *ackal1 OP   Couple  over a year ago

Manchester

No issue and I agree it should be a higher living wage not minimum with reduced benefits to make it more attractive.

I am disgusted by some of the very low pay some families have to manage on.

But nationalising everything again when after 40 years of trying before failed is just a backward theory.

No accountability if your nationalised as it’s not your money your losing.

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By *ionelhutzMan  over a year ago

liverpool


"No issue and I agree it should be a higher living wage not minimum with reduced benefits to make it more attractive.

I am disgusted by some of the very low pay some families have to manage on.

But nationalising everything again when after 40 years of trying before failed is just a backward theory.

No accountability if your nationalised as it’s not your money your losing.

"

Wasnt it just rail and the utilities they wanted to nationalise?

Something the tories have partially done anyway.

Makes perfect sense to me..why have a foreign company owning a rail link with all the money going oversees?Surely it makes more sense for the gmnt to run it and all the profits are pumped back into the economy?

Look at the absolute shambles they have made of the probation service.

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By *rmrspumpCouple  over a year ago

narnia

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By *rmrspumpCouple  over a year ago

narnia

Those in power have been watching Trump very closely.. When hit by scandal, he denies and deflects, even in the face of damming evidence. Eventually the news cycle move on and the proles realise how little power they have. Then the next scandal comes along, and the next scandal, and the next.. Until the people are no longer shocked, the scandal is the norm, its expected and accepted.. No one is accountable.

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By *ackal1 OP   Couple  over a year ago

Manchester

Before anyone thinks I’m having a go at the left or right I’m not. I’m aiming at them all. CEO’s pay should be capped in relation to their companies mode salary.

They’re shouting about giving up salaries due to Covid but how many have declined their share options and pension bonus payments which are often much higher than their salaries.

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By *ionelhutzMan  over a year ago

liverpool

I just think we have lurched so far to the right in this country that any hint of greater social justice policies..living wage,increased taxation for the most well off eyc are decryed as being some mad extreme markist ideology when they are nothing of the sort.

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By *ackal1 OP   Couple  over a year ago

Manchester


"Those in power have been watching Trump very closely.. When hit by scandal, he denies and deflects, even in the face of damming evidence. Eventually the news cycle move on and the proles realise how little power they have. Then the next scandal comes along, and the next scandal, and the next.. Until the people are no longer shocked, the scandal is the norm, its expected and accepted.. No one is accountable. "

This is so true and so bloody scary. If anyone doubts this please watch Fahrenheit the movie. It shows the nightmare that is trump Which we all seem to know but it flawed me with one piece.

I thought Obama was a nice guy. What he did to the people of Flint was shocking but then you discovered the bank funding Obama was behind the children being poisoned In Flint.

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By *ackal1 OP   Couple  over a year ago

Manchester


"I just think we have lurched so far to the right in this country that any hint of greater social justice policies..living wage,increased taxation for the most well off eyc are decryed as being some mad extreme markist ideology when they are nothing of the sort."

I admit Marxist was possibly too extreme a label and I will retract that willingly. I’m sure it was something he actually mentioned but I could have been reading our bias and controlled press.

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By *ionelhutzMan  over a year ago

liverpool


"Those in power have been watching Trump very closely.. When hit by scandal, he denies and deflects, even in the face of damming evidence. Eventually the news cycle move on and the proles realise how little power they have. Then the next scandal comes along, and the next scandal, and the next.. Until the people are no longer shocked, the scandal is the norm, its expected and accepted.. No one is accountable.

This is so true and so bloody scary. If anyone doubts this please watch Fahrenheit the movie. It shows the nightmare that is trump Which we all seem to know but it flawed me with one piece.

I thought Obama was a nice guy. What he did to the people of Flint was shocking but then you discovered the bank funding Obama was behind the children being poisoned In Flint.

"

Very good film.

That major of flint was a disgrace.

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By *ackal1 OP   Couple  over a year ago

Manchester

I look at the Scandinavians as real successful social capitalism. It seems to work well for them.

You work and and contribute your fair share so the system provides good roads, healthcare etc etc for all.

Why do we have to even consider the extreme right and left.

90% of people in this country are hard working and honest but it seems we have no say and even less choice in how we are governed.

If our economy doesn’t grow each year to pay the interest on our loans our debt interest makes the overall debt go up.

How have we had all that oil and all those tax payers contributing for so many years, being told by each minister “sorry we’ve not looked after the money very well but the good news is I can be a lord until I die and claim my expenses so it’s all OK.

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By *ionelhutzMan  over a year ago

liverpool


"I look at the Scandinavians as real successful social capitalism. It seems to work well for them.

You work and and contribute your fair share so the system provides good roads, healthcare etc etc for all.

Why do we have to even consider the extreme right and left.

90% of people in this country are hard working and honest but it seems we have no say and even less choice in how we are governed.

If our economy doesn’t grow each year to pay the interest on our loans our debt interest makes the overall debt go up.

How have we had all that oil and all those tax payers contributing for so many years, being told by each minister “sorry we’ve not looked after the money very well but the good news is I can be a lord until I die and claim my expenses so it’s all OK.

"

A lot of those scandi gmnts seem to favour centre left policies so it's a mixture of socialism and capitalism,which,I agree does seem to work quite well.

They do seem to be much more progressive than over here however,in lots of ways.

Socialism has become a derogatory term in this country which just shows the power of the media.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I just think we have lurched so far to the right in this country that any hint of greater social justice policies..living wage,increased taxation for the most well off eyc are decryed as being some mad extreme markist ideology when they are nothing of the sort."

This.

Our political system is set up to serve big corporations and rich individuals. So much so, that anyone who is suggesting some minor changes, IE Corbyn, is completely demonised and subject to sustained slander campaigns.

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By *ackal1 OP   Couple  over a year ago

Manchester


"I just think we have lurched so far to the right in this country that any hint of greater social justice policies..living wage,increased taxation for the most well off eyc are decryed as being some mad extreme markist ideology when they are nothing of the sort.

This.

Our political system is set up to serve big corporations and rich individuals. So much so, that anyone who is suggesting some minor changes, IE Corbyn, is completely demonised and subject to sustained slander campaigns. "

Our media is controlled by so few people it’s a joke. Our news should be independent and just tell the story.

Sadly people like to buy papers they think agree with their views not a paper tells them the truth.

None of our papers are telling the truth. They are selling a viewpoint.

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By *V-AliceTV/TS  over a year ago

Ayr


"I just think we have lurched so far to the right in this country that any hint of greater social justice policies..living wage,increased taxation for the most well off eyc are decryed as being some mad extreme markist ideology when they are nothing of the sort."

Exactly. Blair dragged the left so far towards the centre that, in response, the Tories had to go further to the right. That wasn't far enough right for some, of course.

Now, left of centre politics is only available to you - in limited form - if you live in Scotland.

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By *ionelhutzMan  over a year ago

liverpool


"I just think we have lurched so far to the right in this country that any hint of greater social justice policies..living wage,increased taxation for the most well off eyc are decryed as being some mad extreme markist ideology when they are nothing of the sort.

Exactly. Blair dragged the left so far towards the centre that, in response, the Tories had to go further to the right. That wasn't far enough right for some, of course.

Now, left of centre politics is only available to you - in limited form - if you live in Scotland."

Exactly and he lost almost all of northern England as a result.

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By *kstallionMan  over a year ago

milton keynes


"I just think we have lurched so far to the right in this country that any hint of greater social justice policies..living wage,increased taxation for the most well off eyc are decryed as being some mad extreme markist ideology when they are nothing of the sort.

Exactly. Blair dragged the left so far towards the centre that, in response, the Tories had to go further to the right. That wasn't far enough right for some, of course.

Now, left of centre politics is only available to you - in limited form - if you live in Scotland."

Was Blair the last Labour leader to win an election? I know Brown became PM but don't recall him winning the following GE

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By *mmabluTV/TS  over a year ago

upton wirral


"Having watched the latest government farce over Cummings and looking back at the last 40 years of our country’s leaders, am I alone in thinking how far this country of ours has fallen?

It saddens me as I travel a lot and I see how old-fashioned and tepid we all are becoming as a nation.

Our political leaders on both sides are so poor we are fast becoming a butt of the worlds jokes.

Although a remainer myself I can see why so may people grasped and hoped for change by voting leave and Boris duly exploited this hope for his own agenda. (Not sure what his agenda is if I’m honest)

In the recent election I don’t blame anyone voting how they did Which ever way they chose as the choices were horrific.

We had a far left Marxist who would have destroyed the economy or a right wing village idiot who will take any amount of money from whoever just to be in power. He has no idea what to do now he in in power sadly.

Our rich South East has only gotten richer as our own governments subsidised it’s growth rather than giving fairly to all areas.

The Country’s resentment is totally understandable.

We have short sighted investment attitudes so if it doesn’t make money in year three we don’t invest . Our European competitors invest long term with an eye to the future.

We’re all ranting on about a new high speed rail link .

The french opened their first high speed train 40 years ago!! So we are 50 years behind yes 50!!

We have the lowest amount of motorway in Europe in relation the wealth and number of cars in the country.

Remember Prescott saying we won’t spend money on roads to force people to use public transport. What a bloody fool!!

How did he get to be in government????

I think we need a new way of looking at how our country is managed .

We have 650MPs and over a thousand lords . That’s just the tip of the gravy train.

Countries such as India with a billion people have less MPs .

I’m not a communist or in need of a dictator I’m just fed up with slow incompetent system we have which just seems so not fit for purpose anymore.

How can we still allow the paper waving and jeering like schoolboys in the house? It’s embarrassing ( yes I know my history but they don’t carry a swords into parliament these days either so that gap in the middle isn’t needed as well ).

It’s been refreshing watching PM’s question time when it’s actually a debate rather than a shouting match. (yes I’ve been that bored I’ve been watching it)

Btw MPs should have to live in a constituency for a least five years prior before being able to run for Parliament . Proper local representation. No more toe the line party members being parachuted in!

Sorry to be so miserable but fuck it I’ve had enough of this shower!!

Can someone please start a modern forward looking political party?

I’m too old and definitely not rich enough? Yes you need lots of money sadly or have access to a friendly billionaire who wants to become a millionaire!!

Our once great country can be great again but it needs a bloody good clearing out of the stinking corrupt system at the top.

Stay safe everyone and when they lift those restrictions, slowly but surely we are going to have so much disgraceful fun!!! "

Basically a lot of very good point but at the end you point at corruption,in that we are the same as most countries in fact less corrupt I think

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By *ionelhutzMan  over a year ago

liverpool


"I just think we have lurched so far to the right in this country that any hint of greater social justice policies..living wage,increased taxation for the most well off eyc are decryed as being some mad extreme markist ideology when they are nothing of the sort.

Exactly. Blair dragged the left so far towards the centre that, in response, the Tories had to go further to the right. That wasn't far enough right for some, of course.

Now, left of centre politics is only available to you - in limited form - if you live in Scotland.

Was Blair the last Labour leader to win an election? I know Brown became PM but don't recall him winning the following GE"

Yep Brown took over from blair but didnt win an election.

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By *kstallionMan  over a year ago

milton keynes


"I just think we have lurched so far to the right in this country that any hint of greater social justice policies..living wage,increased taxation for the most well off eyc are decryed as being some mad extreme markist ideology when they are nothing of the sort.

Exactly. Blair dragged the left so far towards the centre that, in response, the Tories had to go further to the right. That wasn't far enough right for some, of course.

Now, left of centre politics is only available to you - in limited form - if you live in Scotland.

Was Blair the last Labour leader to win an election? I know Brown became PM but don't recall him winning the following GE

Yep Brown took over from blair but didnt win an election."

Wow long time now

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By *ionelhutzMan  over a year ago

liverpool


"I just think we have lurched so far to the right in this country that any hint of greater social justice policies..living wage,increased taxation for the most well off eyc are decryed as being some mad extreme markist ideology when they are nothing of the sort.

Exactly. Blair dragged the left so far towards the centre that, in response, the Tories had to go further to the right. That wasn't far enough right for some, of course.

Now, left of centre politics is only available to you - in limited form - if you live in Scotland.

Was Blair the last Labour leader to win an election? I know Brown became PM but don't recall him winning the following GE

Yep Brown took over from blair but didnt win an election.

Wow long time now"

Think it was when the coalition got in..2010 ish?

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By *kstallionMan  over a year ago

milton keynes


"I just think we have lurched so far to the right in this country that any hint of greater social justice policies..living wage,increased taxation for the most well off eyc are decryed as being some mad extreme markist ideology when they are nothing of the sort.

Exactly. Blair dragged the left so far towards the centre that, in response, the Tories had to go further to the right. That wasn't far enough right for some, of course.

Now, left of centre politics is only available to you - in limited form - if you live in Scotland.

Was Blair the last Labour leader to win an election? I know Brown became PM but don't recall him winning the following GE

Yep Brown took over from blair but didnt win an election.

Wow long time now

Think it was when the coalition got in..2010 ish?"

Oh yes conservative and lib dems in the

' I agreed with Nick' era

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By *ionelhutzMan  over a year ago

liverpool


"I just think we have lurched so far to the right in this country that any hint of greater social justice policies..living wage,increased taxation for the most well off eyc are decryed as being some mad extreme markist ideology when they are nothing of the sort.

Exactly. Blair dragged the left so far towards the centre that, in response, the Tories had to go further to the right. That wasn't far enough right for some, of course.

Now, left of centre politics is only available to you - in limited form - if you live in Scotland.

Was Blair the last Labour leader to win an election? I know Brown became PM but don't recall him winning the following GE

Yep Brown took over from blair but didnt win an election.

Wow long time now

Think it was when the coalition got in..2010 ish?

Oh yes conservative and lib dems in the

' I agreed with Nick' era"

Haha that was shortlived

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By *ackal1 OP   Couple  over a year ago

Manchester


"Basically a lot of very good point but at the end you point at corruption,in that we are the same as most countries in fact less corrupt I think"

I think our corruption is much worse as ours is portrayed as being normal and it’s intrinsic to our system whilst being passed off as acceptable. Yes you can be an MP and still take money from outside vested interests.

Yes if you donate to my party you will get a lordship.

How many fact finding trips do our MPs need to the Caribbean? Very few trips are to cold or poor countries.

Or one of my favourites. Cameron increasing the annual grants towards wind turbines just as his in-laws started to erect hundreds of them in a North Lincolnshire. The list goes on.

At least when a government agent I dealt with in Romania wanted brown envelopes full of cash to be passed to his lawyer he was very clear about his corruption.

We are just so much more sophisticated in the UK.

The Romanian got told where to shove his request btw.

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By *ackal1 OP   Couple  over a year ago

Manchester


"I just think we have lurched so far to the right in this country that any hint of greater social justice policies..living wage,increased taxation for the most well off eyc are decryed as being some mad extreme markist ideology when they are nothing of the sort.

Exactly. Blair dragged the left so far towards the centre that, in response, the Tories had to go further to the right. That wasn't far enough right for some, of course.

Now, left of centre politics is only available to you - in limited form - if you live in Scotland.

Was Blair the last Labour leader to win an election? I know Brown became PM but don't recall him winning the following GE

Yep Brown took over from blair but didnt win an election.

Wow long time now

Think it was when the coalition got in..2010 ish?

Oh yes conservative and lib dems in the

' I agreed with Nick' era

Haha that was shortlived "

I think Nick was a decent guy who was sadly swimming with the sharks.

He was very pragmatic about problems but you often wondered if he couldn’t do with a few lessons in freestyle fighting to get some nuts! Just a bit too nice.

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By *kstallionMan  over a year ago

milton keynes


"I just think we have lurched so far to the right in this country that any hint of greater social justice policies..living wage,increased taxation for the most well off eyc are decryed as being some mad extreme markist ideology when they are nothing of the sort.

Exactly. Blair dragged the left so far towards the centre that, in response, the Tories had to go further to the right. That wasn't far enough right for some, of course.

Now, left of centre politics is only available to you - in limited form - if you live in Scotland.

Was Blair the last Labour leader to win an election? I know Brown became PM but don't recall him winning the following GE

Yep Brown took over from blair but didnt win an election.

Wow long time now

Think it was when the coalition got in..2010 ish?

Oh yes conservative and lib dems in the

' I agreed with Nick' era

Haha that was shortlived

I think Nick was a decent guy who was sadly swimming with the sharks.

He was very pragmatic about problems but you often wondered if he couldn’t do with a few lessons in freestyle fighting to get some nuts! Just a bit too nice. "

So thinking back to Blair who was the last to win a GE and won 3 in a row was he the most successful Labour leader

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By *ondoctorMan  over a year ago

birmingham

Yeah we are pissed off britain,and its showing more during this lockdown i've noticed.But theres 3 main parties in the land,red,blue or the media.Whoever is in government thats who they will strive to destroy.Not a good thing to happen

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"No issue and I agree it should be a higher living wage not minimum with reduced benefits to make it more attractive.

I am disgusted by some of the very low pay some families have to manage on.

But nationalising everything again when after 40 years of trying before failed is just a backward theory.

No accountability if your nationalised as it’s not your money your losing.

"

You suggest even lower benefits?!

Unbelievable ignorant statement to make!

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By *ackal1 OP   Couple  over a year ago

Manchester

Why do you say ignorant?

Why am I ignorant?

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By *imiUKMan  over a year ago

Newbury


"I look at the Scandinavians as real successful social capitalism. It seems to work well for them.

You work and and contribute your fair share so the system provides good roads, healthcare etc etc for all.

Why do we have to even consider the extreme right and left.

90% of people in this country are hard working and honest but it seems we have no say and even less choice in how we are governed.

If our economy doesn’t grow each year to pay the interest on our loans our debt interest makes the overall debt go up.

How have we had all that oil and all those tax payers contributing for so many years, being told by each minister “sorry we’ve not looked after the money very well but the good news is I can be a lord until I die and claim my expenses so it’s all OK.

"

Yes, but Corbyn would be a very run of the mill centre candidate in those countries.

It says something about the state of our nation when he's described as a dangerous Marxist and people lap it up.

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By *ackal1 OP   Couple  over a year ago

Manchester

The Swedish model is very selective nationalisation.

The took a stake in the mines 60 years ago and during the last financial crisis nationalised the banks after they were close to collapse, so when they recovered the first debts to be recovered were the tax payers.

Their own left wing parties don’t push for general nationalisation they know it’s not popular.

We just let the UK banks off with low buy backs and let them go on their merry way back to bonus city.

Sadly Corbyn would never win with his taxation plans. Multinationals have to be pinned down by global rules so they have no where to run and hide their profits. The french have made a start with the IT companies so we should join them.

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By *ionelhutzMan  over a year ago

liverpool


"The Swedish model is very selective nationalisation.

The took a stake in the mines 60 years ago and during the last financial crisis nationalised the banks after they were close to collapse, so when they recovered the first debts to be recovered were the tax payers.

Their own left wing parties don’t push for general nationalisation they know it’s not popular.

We just let the UK banks off with low buy backs and let them go on their merry way back to bonus city.

Sadly Corbyn would never win with his taxation plans. Multinationals have to be pinned down by global rules so they have no where to run and hide their profits. The french have made a start with the IT companies so we should join them.

"

At least Corbyn tried to hold them to account.

Johnson was defending bankers weeks after they caused the crash

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By *ionelhutzMan  over a year ago

liverpool


"I look at the Scandinavians as real successful social capitalism. It seems to work well for them.

You work and and contribute your fair share so the system provides good roads, healthcare etc etc for all.

Why do we have to even consider the extreme right and left.

90% of people in this country are hard working and honest but it seems we have no say and even less choice in how we are governed.

If our economy doesn’t grow each year to pay the interest on our loans our debt interest makes the overall debt go up.

How have we had all that oil and all those tax payers contributing for so many years, being told by each minister “sorry we’ve not looked after the money very well but the good news is I can be a lord until I die and claim my expenses so it’s all OK.

Yes, but Corbyn would be a very run of the mill centre candidate in those countries.

It says something about the state of our nation when he's described as a dangerous Marxist and people lap it up. "

Sadly people believe what they are fed.

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By *mmabluTV/TS  over a year ago

upton wirral


"Having watched the latest government farce over Cummings and looking back at the last 40 years of our country’s leaders, am I alone in thinking how far this country of ours has fallen?

It saddens me as I travel a lot and I see how old-fashioned and tepid we all are becoming as a nation.

Our political leaders on both sides are so poor we are fast becoming a butt of the worlds jokes.

Although a remainer myself I can see why so may people grasped and hoped for change by voting leave and Boris duly exploited this hope for his own agenda. (Not sure what his agenda is if I’m honest)

In the recent election I don’t blame anyone voting how they did Which ever way they chose as the choices were horrific.

We had a far left Marxist who would have destroyed the economy or a right wing village idiot who will take any amount of money from whoever just to be in power. He has no idea what to do now he in in power sadly.

Our rich South East has only gotten richer as our own governments subsidised it’s growth rather than giving fairly to all areas.

The Country’s resentment is totally understandable.

We have short sighted investment attitudes so if it doesn’t make money in year three we don’t invest . Our European competitors invest long term with an eye to the future.

We’re all ranting on about a new high speed rail link .

The french opened their first high speed train 40 years ago!! So we are 50 years behind yes 50!!

We have the lowest amount of motorway in Europe in relation the wealth and number of cars in the country.

Remember Prescott saying we won’t spend money on roads to force people to use public transport. What a bloody fool!!

How did he get to be in government????

I think we need a new way of looking at how our country is managed .

We have 650MPs and over a thousand lords . That’s just the tip of the gravy train.

Countries such as India with a billion people have less MPs .

I’m not a communist or in need of a dictator I’m just fed up with slow incompetent system we have which just seems so not fit for purpose anymore.

How can we still allow the paper waving and jeering like schoolboys in the house? It’s embarrassing ( yes I know my history but they don’t carry a swords into parliament these days either so that gap in the middle isn’t needed as well ).

It’s been refreshing watching PM’s question time when it’s actually a debate rather than a shouting match. (yes I’ve been that bored I’ve been watching it)

Btw MPs should have to live in a constituency for a least five years prior before being able to run for Parliament . Proper local representation. No more toe the line party members being parachuted in!

Sorry to be so miserable but fuck it I’ve had enough of this shower!!

Can someone please start a modern forward looking political party?

I’m too old and definitely not rich enough? Yes you need lots of money sadly or have access to a friendly billionaire who wants to become a millionaire!!

Our once great country can be great again but it needs a bloody good clearing out of the stinking corrupt system at the top.

Stay safe everyone and when they lift those restrictions, slowly but surely we are going to have so much disgraceful fun!!! "

While I do not agree with all you say basically you are right and I feel similar to you.Are governments for many years are soft and short sited poor transport links,poor public services,an energy problem caused by dithering to much.

We debate things to much and do not get on with things,take HS2 new airport etc.We easte fortunes with committees and enquires with a very very corrUpt legal system that allows court cases and appeals and committee to go on and on.This I partly blame on the attitudes of Europe the EU is backward thinking incompetent and corrupt.

We have not had a real leader since Thatcher and we need one now

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By *ackal1 OP   Couple  over a year ago

Manchester


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At least Corbyn tried to hold them to account.

Johnson was defending bankers weeks after they caused the crash"

I agree and I’m not fan of Boris whoo is a lying scheming tosses who bullshit is starting to be exposed. Easy deal with Europe, no border in Irish Sea, no dodgy American food.

we are recruiting 50,000 new customs officials and training has started. Half on the training already have jobs so the grand total so far is around 2000 posts filled. The Cabinet through Gove have now announced a light touch approach. Yes right, because we can’t actually check everything without the staff. What a farce.

Corbyn was not for me and neither is Boris and his cronies. Kier I’m hoping for great things from as long as the system doesn’t grind him down and he forgets to think independently.

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By *ackal1 OP   Couple  over a year ago

Manchester


"No issue and I agree it should be a higher living wage not minimum with reduced benefits to make it more attractive.

I am disgusted by some of the very low pay some families have to manage on.

But nationalising everything again when after 40 years of trying before failed is just a backward theory.

No accountability if your nationalised as it’s not your money your losing.

You suggest even lower benefits?!

Unbelievable ignorant statement to make! "

Still waiting as I’m sure you can enlighten me!!

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By *ionelhutzMan  over a year ago

liverpool


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At least Corbyn tried to hold them to account.

Johnson was defending bankers weeks after they caused the crash

I agree and I’m not fan of Boris whoo is a lying scheming tosses who bullshit is starting to be exposed. Easy deal with Europe, no border in Irish Sea, no dodgy American food.

we are recruiting 50,000 new customs officials and training has started. Half on the training already have jobs so the grand total so far is around 2000 posts filled. The Cabinet through Gove have now announced a light touch approach. Yes right, because we can’t actually check everything without the staff. What a farce.

Corbyn was not for me and neither is Boris and his cronies. Kier I’m hoping for great things from as long as the system doesn’t grind him down and he forgets to think independently.

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We will have to see on keir.

I'm not convinced yet.

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By *ackal1 OP   Couple  over a year ago

Manchester

He won’t be happy with me misspelling his name for a start .

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