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The BREXIT Divorce Bill, which we were told would be about £40 billion, turns out to actually have been about £160 billion.
But it's even worse than that. In their rush to leave by a totally arbitrary date Johnson's withdrawal agreement ment we left on 31 January 2020 but continued are commitments, with no say, until 31 December 2020 and this commitment includes our 12% share of any EU debt incurred up to 31 December 2020. With the current grants and loans being given out by the EU in it's Covid Recovery Fund (which we are not entitled to) that divorce settlement figure of £160 billion is likely to at least double.
Isn't it about time we stopped rushing for the quickest BREXIT possible and all started working for the best BREXIT possible. It was our rush to leave, regardless of how good or bad the withdrawal agreement we had was, by a set date that has lead to our actual divorce settlement being in the order of 10 times bigger than the £40 billion expected. Why do we have to make the same mistake again with the end of the translation period. If we're going to do BREXIT let's at least, going forward from here, do it well and make sure any deal the government does get is scrutinised properly to make sure the deal they think they've negotiated is actually the deal they've got and doesn't leave us in a situation where we have almost unlimited liabilities but with no say at all. |
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over a year ago
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Brexit is good. There is nothing better than Brexit. No matter what the costs are. No matter how much the country loses. The chains were thrown. And Boris continues to cheat on us and laugh in our face. |
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"The BREXIT Divorce Bill, which we were told would be about £40 billion, turns out to actually have been about £160 billion.
But it's even worse than that. In their rush to leave by a totally arbitrary date Johnson's withdrawal agreement ment we left on 31 January 2020 but continued are commitments, with no say, until 31 December 2020 and this commitment includes our 12% share of any EU debt incurred up to 31 December 2020. With the current grants and loans being given out by the EU in it's Covid Recovery Fund (which we are not entitled to) that divorce settlement figure of £160 billion is likely to at least double.
Isn't it about time we stopped rushing for the quickest BREXIT possible and all started working for the best BREXIT possible. It was our rush to leave, regardless of how good or bad the withdrawal agreement we had was, by a set date that has lead to our actual divorce settlement being in the order of 10 times bigger than the £40 billion expected. Why do we have to make the same mistake again with the end of the translation period. If we're going to do BREXIT let's at least, going forward from here, do it well and make sure any deal the government does get is scrutinised properly to make sure the deal they think they've negotiated is actually the deal they've got and doesn't leave us in a situation where we have almost unlimited liabilities but with no say at all."
When people response is "you lost get over it'I literally couldn't give a fuck.
The people spoke as they are so keen on saying.
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"The BREXIT Divorce Bill, which we were told would be about £40 billion, turns out to actually have been about £160 billion.
But it's even worse than that. In their rush to leave by a totally arbitrary date Johnson's withdrawal agreement ment we left on 31 January 2020 but continued are commitments, with no say, until 31 December 2020 and this commitment includes our 12% share of any EU debt incurred up to 31 December 2020. With the current grants and loans being given out by the EU in it's Covid Recovery Fund (which we are not entitled to) that divorce settlement figure of £160 billion is likely to at least double.
Isn't it about time we stopped rushing for the quickest BREXIT possible and all started working for the best BREXIT possible. It was our rush to leave, regardless of how good or bad the withdrawal agreement we had was, by a set date that has lead to our actual divorce settlement being in the order of 10 times bigger than the £40 billion expected. Why do we have to make the same mistake again with the end of the translation period. If we're going to do BREXIT let's at least, going forward from here, do it well and make sure any deal the government does get is scrutinised properly to make sure the deal they think they've negotiated is actually the deal they've got and doesn't leave us in a situation where we have almost unlimited liabilities but with no say at all.
When people response is "you lost get over it'I literally couldn't give a fuck.
The people spoke as they are so keen on saying.
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Totally this..
Reasoned objectivity has been binned so let those who voted for it enjoy it.. |
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By *exy7Man
over a year ago
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"Same shit different day ffs
Proving our point completely your on here everyday crying about brexit hats off to ya I duno how you do it lol"
Will there be enough funds after Brexit for 80% of the brexiters to help them take back control of their mother tongue? I have plenty of polish and French friends who speak and write in English so much better than you. I wonder if you see the irony and if it causes a bit of shame. |
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"Same shit different day ffs
Proving our point completely your on here everyday crying about brexit hats off to ya I duno how you do it lol"
As we said before though, only because we are worried about the future of the country. You are not, you think it's all gonna be ok. So, is it wrong to worry about the country?
Brexit is done, we know that. But now we have to try and get the best outcome possible. Surely you agree about that??
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"Same shit different day ffs
Proving our point completely your on here everyday crying about brexit hats off to ya I duno how you do it lol
Will there be enough funds after Brexit for 80% of the brexiters to help them take back control of their mother tongue? I have plenty of polish and French friends who speak and write in English so much better than you. I wonder if you see the irony and if it causes a bit of shame. "
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"Same shit different day ffs
Proving our point completely your on here everyday crying about brexit hats off to ya I duno how you do it lol
As we said before though, only because we are worried about the future of the country. You are not, you think it's all gonna be ok. So, is it wrong to worry about the country?
Brexit is done, we know that. But now we have to try and get the best outcome possible. Surely you agree about that??
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I do agree 100% I also think we should just try to get along and I don’t think these threads help and be careful you said GONNA the grammar police are out in force today they have to make themselves feel better than others only fun they get lol |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"The BREXIT Divorce Bill, which we were told would be about £40 billion, turns out to actually have been about £160 billion.
But it's even worse than that. In their rush to leave by a totally arbitrary date Johnson's withdrawal agreement ment we left on 31 January 2020 but continued are commitments, with no say, until 31 December 2020 and this commitment includes our 12% share of any EU debt incurred up to 31 December 2020. With the current grants and loans being given out by the EU in it's Covid Recovery Fund (which we are not entitled to) that divorce settlement figure of £160 billion is likely to at least double.
Isn't it about time we stopped rushing for the quickest BREXIT possible and all started working for the best BREXIT possible. It was our rush to leave, regardless of how good or bad the withdrawal agreement we had was, by a set date that has lead to our actual divorce settlement being in the order of 10 times bigger than the £40 billion expected. Why do we have to make the same mistake again with the end of the translation period. If we're going to do BREXIT let's at least, going forward from here, do it well and make sure any deal the government does get is scrutinised properly to make sure the deal they think they've negotiated is actually the deal they've got and doesn't leave us in a situation where we have almost unlimited liabilities but with no say at all."
Love to see the source of this info,try this one. https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/brexit-deal-financial-settlement. |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"The BREXIT Divorce Bill, which we were told would be about £40 billion, turns out to actually have been about £160 billion.
But it's even worse than that. In their rush to leave by a totally arbitrary date Johnson's withdrawal agreement ment we left on 31 January 2020 but continued are commitments, with no say, until 31 December 2020 and this commitment includes our 12% share of any EU debt incurred up to 31 December 2020. With the current grants and loans being given out by the EU in it's Covid Recovery Fund (which we are not entitled to) that divorce settlement figure of £160 billion is likely to at least double.
Isn't it about time we stopped rushing for the quickest BREXIT possible and all started working for the best BREXIT possible. It was our rush to leave, regardless of how good or bad the withdrawal agreement we had was, by a set date that has lead to our actual divorce settlement being in the order of 10 times bigger than the £40 billion expected. Why do we have to make the same mistake again with the end of the translation period. If we're going to do BREXIT let's at least, going forward from here, do it well and make sure any deal the government does get is scrutinised properly to make sure the deal they think they've negotiated is actually the deal they've got and doesn't leave us in a situation where we have almost unlimited liabilities but with no say at all."
Basically true but who will agree on what is the so called best Brexit.
I do thing however due to the current situation we should delay for six months.Ok people will slag Johnson off again but he cannot be held responsable for the events of 20/20 which has changed things and we need to react to that. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"The BREXIT Divorce Bill, which we were told would be about £40 billion, turns out to actually have been about £160 billion.
But it's even worse than that. In their rush to leave by a totally arbitrary date Johnson's withdrawal agreement ment we left on 31 January 2020 but continued are commitments, with no say, until 31 December 2020 and this commitment includes our 12% share of any EU debt incurred up to 31 December 2020. With the current grants and loans being given out by the EU in it's Covid Recovery Fund (which we are not entitled to) that divorce settlement figure of £160 billion is likely to at least double.
Isn't it about time we stopped rushing for the quickest BREXIT possible and all started working for the best BREXIT possible. It was our rush to leave, regardless of how good or bad the withdrawal agreement we had was, by a set date that has lead to our actual divorce settlement being in the order of 10 times bigger than the £40 billion expected. Why do we have to make the same mistake again with the end of the translation period. If we're going to do BREXIT let's at least, going forward from here, do it well and make sure any deal the government does get is scrutinised properly to make sure the deal they think they've negotiated is actually the deal they've got and doesn't leave us in a situation where we have almost unlimited liabilities but with no say at all.Basically true but who will agree on what is the so called best Brexit.
I do thing however due to the current situation we should delay for six months.Ok people will slag Johnson off again but he cannot be held responsable for the events of 20/20 which has changed things and we need to react to that."
You do realize that if we delay another 6 months we then will be liable to pay a share of the eu coronavirus recovery fund as it stands we are not. |
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"The BREXIT Divorce Bill, which we were told would be about £40 billion, turns out to actually have been about £160 billion.
But it's even worse than that. In their rush to leave by a totally arbitrary date Johnson's withdrawal agreement ment we left on 31 January 2020 but continued are commitments, with no say, until 31 December 2020 and this commitment includes our 12% share of any EU debt incurred up to 31 December 2020. With the current grants and loans being given out by the EU in it's Covid Recovery Fund (which we are not entitled to) that divorce settlement figure of £160 billion is likely to at least double.
Isn't it about time we stopped rushing for the quickest BREXIT possible and all started working for the best BREXIT possible. It was our rush to leave, regardless of how good or bad the withdrawal agreement we had was, by a set date that has lead to our actual divorce settlement being in the order of 10 times bigger than the £40 billion expected. Why do we have to make the same mistake again with the end of the translation period. If we're going to do BREXIT let's at least, going forward from here, do it well and make sure any deal the government does get is scrutinised properly to make sure the deal they think they've negotiated is actually the deal they've got and doesn't leave us in a situation where we have almost unlimited liabilities but with no say at all.Basically true but who will agree on what is the so called best Brexit.
I do thing however due to the current situation we should delay for six months.Ok people will slag Johnson off again but he cannot be held responsable for the events of 20/20 which has changed things and we need to react to that.You do realize that if we delay another 6 months we then will be liable to pay a share of the eu coronavirus recovery fund as it stands we are not. "
And Rees Mogg's company will have to pay more tax. Probably not just him either ?? |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"The BREXIT Divorce Bill, which we were told would be about £40 billion, turns out to actually have been about £160 billion.
But it's even worse than that. In their rush to leave by a totally arbitrary date Johnson's withdrawal agreement ment we left on 31 January 2020 but continued are commitments, with no say, until 31 December 2020 and this commitment includes our 12% share of any EU debt incurred up to 31 December 2020. With the current grants and loans being given out by the EU in it's Covid Recovery Fund (which we are not entitled to) that divorce settlement figure of £160 billion is likely to at least double.
Isn't it about time we stopped rushing for the quickest BREXIT possible and all started working for the best BREXIT possible. It was our rush to leave, regardless of how good or bad the withdrawal agreement we had was, by a set date that has lead to our actual divorce settlement being in the order of 10 times bigger than the £40 billion expected. Why do we have to make the same mistake again with the end of the translation period. If we're going to do BREXIT let's at least, going forward from here, do it well and make sure any deal the government does get is scrutinised properly to make sure the deal they think they've negotiated is actually the deal they've got and doesn't leave us in a situation where we have almost unlimited liabilities but with no say at all.Basically true but who will agree on what is the so called best Brexit.
I do thing however due to the current situation we should delay for six months.Ok people will slag Johnson off again but he cannot be held responsable for the events of 20/20 which has changed things and we need to react to that.You do realize that if we delay another 6 months we then will be liable to pay a share of the eu coronavirus recovery fund as it stands we are not.
And Rees Mogg's company will have to pay more tax. Probably not just him either ??"
Where is your source of info from? as cant find anything on it from google would be interested to read it. |
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"The BREXIT Divorce Bill, which we were told would be about £40 billion, turns out to actually have been about £160 billion.
But it's even worse than that. In their rush to leave by a totally arbitrary date Johnson's withdrawal agreement ment we left on 31 January 2020 but continued are commitments, with no say, until 31 December 2020 and this commitment includes our 12% share of any EU debt incurred up to 31 December 2020. With the current grants and loans being given out by the EU in it's Covid Recovery Fund (which we are not entitled to) that divorce settlement figure of £160 billion is likely to at least double.
Isn't it about time we stopped rushing for the quickest BREXIT possible and all started working for the best BREXIT possible. It was our rush to leave, regardless of how good or bad the withdrawal agreement we had was, by a set date that has lead to our actual divorce settlement being in the order of 10 times bigger than the £40 billion expected. Why do we have to make the same mistake again with the end of the translation period. If we're going to do BREXIT let's at least, going forward from here, do it well and make sure any deal the government does get is scrutinised properly to make sure the deal they think they've negotiated is actually the deal they've got and doesn't leave us in a situation where we have almost unlimited liabilities but with no say at all.Basically true but who will agree on what is the so called best Brexit.
I do thing however due to the current situation we should delay for six months.Ok people will slag Johnson off again but he cannot be held responsable for the events of 20/20 which has changed things and we need to react to that.You do realize that if we delay another 6 months we then will be liable to pay a share of the eu coronavirus recovery fund as it stands we are not.
And Rees Mogg's company will have to pay more tax. Probably not just him either ??Where is your source of info from? as cant find anything on it from google would be interested to read it."
https://www.channel4.com/press/news/brexiteer-jacob-rees-mogg-estimated-have-earnt-ps7m-investments-referendum-according
Just waiting for you to say Channel 4 news, left wing...blah blah blah... |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"The BREXIT Divorce Bill, which we were told would be about £40 billion, turns out to actually have been about £160 billion.
But it's even worse than that. In their rush to leave by a totally arbitrary date Johnson's withdrawal agreement ment we left on 31 January 2020 but continued are commitments, with no say, until 31 December 2020 and this commitment includes our 12% share of any EU debt incurred up to 31 December 2020. With the current grants and loans being given out by the EU in it's Covid Recovery Fund (which we are not entitled to) that divorce settlement figure of £160 billion is likely to at least double.
Isn't it about time we stopped rushing for the quickest BREXIT possible and all started working for the best BREXIT possible. It was our rush to leave, regardless of how good or bad the withdrawal agreement we had was, by a set date that has lead to our actual divorce settlement being in the order of 10 times bigger than the £40 billion expected. Why do we have to make the same mistake again with the end of the translation period. If we're going to do BREXIT let's at least, going forward from here, do it well and make sure any deal the government does get is scrutinised properly to make sure the deal they think they've negotiated is actually the deal they've got and doesn't leave us in a situation where we have almost unlimited liabilities but with no say at all.Basically true but who will agree on what is the so called best Brexit.
I do thing however due to the current situation we should delay for six months.Ok people will slag Johnson off again but he cannot be held responsable for the events of 20/20 which has changed things and we need to react to that.You do realize that if we delay another 6 months we then will be liable to pay a share of the eu coronavirus recovery fund as it stands we are not.
And Rees Mogg's company will have to pay more tax. Probably not just him either ??Where is your source of info from? as cant find anything on it from google would be interested to read it.
https://www.channel4.com/press/news/brexiteer-jacob-rees-mogg-estimated-have-earnt-ps7m-investments-referendum-according
Just waiting for you to say Channel 4 news, left wing...blah blah blah..."
Interesting read but only says one investment has generated that money since brexit not that it was a direct result of brexit.I have made money since we left is that a direct result no.As for the fall of the £-e that happens all the time i can remember 2008 when it was 1 to 1 and no mention of brexit. |
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"The BREXIT Divorce Bill, which we were told would be about £40 billion, turns out to actually have been about £160 billion.
But it's even worse than that. In their rush to leave by a totally arbitrary date Johnson's withdrawal agreement ment we left on 31 January 2020 but continued are commitments, with no say, until 31 December 2020 and this commitment includes our 12% share of any EU debt incurred up to 31 December 2020. With the current grants and loans being given out by the EU in it's Covid Recovery Fund (which we are not entitled to) that divorce settlement figure of £160 billion is likely to at least double.
Isn't it about time we stopped rushing for the quickest BREXIT possible and all started working for the best BREXIT possible. It was our rush to leave, regardless of how good or bad the withdrawal agreement we had was, by a set date that has lead to our actual divorce settlement being in the order of 10 times bigger than the £40 billion expected. Why do we have to make the same mistake again with the end of the translation period. If we're going to do BREXIT let's at least, going forward from here, do it well and make sure any deal the government does get is scrutinised properly to make sure the deal they think they've negotiated is actually the deal they've got and doesn't leave us in a situation where we have almost unlimited liabilities but with no say at all.Basically true but who will agree on what is the so called best Brexit.
I do thing however due to the current situation we should delay for six months.Ok people will slag Johnson off again but he cannot be held responsable for the events of 20/20 which has changed things and we need to react to that.You do realize that if we delay another 6 months we then will be liable to pay a share of the eu coronavirus recovery fund as it stands we are not.
And Rees Mogg's company will have to pay more tax. Probably not just him either ??Where is your source of info from? as cant find anything on it from google would be interested to read it.
https://www.channel4.com/press/news/brexiteer-jacob-rees-mogg-estimated-have-earnt-ps7m-investments-referendum-according
Just waiting for you to say Channel 4 news, left wing...blah blah blah...Interesting read but only says one investment has generated that money since brexit not that it was a direct result of brexit.I have made money since we left is that a direct result no.As for the fall of the £-e that happens all the time i can remember 2008 when it was 1 to 1 and no mention of brexit."
Difference is, I dare say, you pay the proper amount of tax.... |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"The BREXIT Divorce Bill, which we were told would be about £40 billion, turns out to actually have been about £160 billion.
But it's even worse than that. In their rush to leave by a totally arbitrary date Johnson's withdrawal agreement ment we left on 31 January 2020 but continued are commitments, with no say, until 31 December 2020 and this commitment includes our 12% share of any EU debt incurred up to 31 December 2020. With the current grants and loans being given out by the EU in it's Covid Recovery Fund (which we are not entitled to) that divorce settlement figure of £160 billion is likely to at least double.
Isn't it about time we stopped rushing for the quickest BREXIT possible and all started working for the best BREXIT possible. It was our rush to leave, regardless of how good or bad the withdrawal agreement we had was, by a set date that has lead to our actual divorce settlement being in the order of 10 times bigger than the £40 billion expected. Why do we have to make the same mistake again with the end of the translation period. If we're going to do BREXIT let's at least, going forward from here, do it well and make sure any deal the government does get is scrutinised properly to make sure the deal they think they've negotiated is actually the deal they've got and doesn't leave us in a situation where we have almost unlimited liabilities but with no say at all.Basically true but who will agree on what is the so called best Brexit.
I do thing however due to the current situation we should delay for six months.Ok people will slag Johnson off again but he cannot be held responsable for the events of 20/20 which has changed things and we need to react to that.You do realize that if we delay another 6 months we then will be liable to pay a share of the eu coronavirus recovery fund as it stands we are not.
And Rees Mogg's company will have to pay more tax. Probably not just him either ??Where is your source of info from? as cant find anything on it from google would be interested to read it.
https://www.channel4.com/press/news/brexiteer-jacob-rees-mogg-estimated-have-earnt-ps7m-investments-referendum-according
Just waiting for you to say Channel 4 news, left wing...blah blah blah...Interesting read but only says one investment has generated that money since brexit not that it was a direct result of brexit.I have made money since we left is that a direct result no.As for the fall of the £-e that happens all the time i can remember 2008 when it was 1 to 1 and no mention of brexit.
Difference is, I dare say, you pay the proper amount of tax...."
I have no idea how much he pays in tax or if he avoids it no more than you do but guess because he has a lot of money he has to. |
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"The BREXIT Divorce Bill, which we were told would be about £40 billion, turns out to actually have been about £160 billion.
But it's even worse than that. In their rush to leave by a totally arbitrary date Johnson's withdrawal agreement ment we left on 31 January 2020 but continued are commitments, with no say, until 31 December 2020 and this commitment includes our 12% share of any EU debt incurred up to 31 December 2020. With the current grants and loans being given out by the EU in it's Covid Recovery Fund (which we are not entitled to) that divorce settlement figure of £160 billion is likely to at least double.
Isn't it about time we stopped rushing for the quickest BREXIT possible and all started working for the best BREXIT possible. It was our rush to leave, regardless of how good or bad the withdrawal agreement we had was, by a set date that has lead to our actual divorce settlement being in the order of 10 times bigger than the £40 billion expected. Why do we have to make the same mistake again with the end of the translation period. If we're going to do BREXIT let's at least, going forward from here, do it well and make sure any deal the government does get is scrutinised properly to make sure the deal they think they've negotiated is actually the deal they've got and doesn't leave us in a situation where we have almost unlimited liabilities but with no say at all.Basically true but who will agree on what is the so called best Brexit.
I do thing however due to the current situation we should delay for six months.Ok people will slag Johnson off again but he cannot be held responsable for the events of 20/20 which has changed things and we need to react to that.You do realize that if we delay another 6 months we then will be liable to pay a share of the eu coronavirus recovery fund as it stands we are not.
And Rees Mogg's company will have to pay more tax. Probably not just him either ??Where is your source of info from? as cant find anything on it from google would be interested to read it.
https://www.channel4.com/press/news/brexiteer-jacob-rees-mogg-estimated-have-earnt-ps7m-investments-referendum-according
Just waiting for you to say Channel 4 news, left wing...blah blah blah...Interesting read but only says one investment has generated that money since brexit not that it was a direct result of brexit.I have made money since we left is that a direct result no.As for the fall of the £-e that happens all the time i can remember 2008 when it was 1 to 1 and no mention of brexit.
Difference is, I dare say, you pay the proper amount of tax....I have no idea how much he pays in tax or if he avoids it no more than you do but guess because he has a lot of money he has to. "
The fact he utilises off shore tax havens isn't s great look whilst saying he finds the use of food banks 'uplifting'. We can all hope he cares about the the people of this country.....I have my doubts. His father's book points to his real interests.... |
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By *ostafunMan
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"The BREXIT Divorce Bill, which we were told would be about £40 billion, turns out to actually have been about £160 billion.
But it's even worse than that. In their rush to leave by a totally arbitrary date Johnson's withdrawal agreement ment we left on 31 January 2020 but continued are commitments, with no say, until 31 December 2020 and this commitment includes our 12% share of any EU debt incurred up to 31 December 2020. With the current grants and loans being given out by the EU in it's Covid Recovery Fund (which we are not entitled to) that divorce settlement figure of £160 billion is likely to at least double.
Isn't it about time we stopped rushing for the quickest BREXIT possible and all started working for the best BREXIT possible. It was our rush to leave, regardless of how good or bad the withdrawal agreement we had was, by a set date that has lead to our actual divorce settlement being in the order of 10 times bigger than the £40 billion expected. Why do we have to make the same mistake again with the end of the translation period. If we're going to do BREXIT let's at least, going forward from here, do it well and make sure any deal the government does get is scrutinised properly to make sure the deal they think they've negotiated is actually the deal they've got and doesn't leave us in a situation where we have almost unlimited liabilities but with no say at all.Basically true but who will agree on what is the so called best Brexit.
I do thing however due to the current situation we should delay for six months.Ok people will slag Johnson off again but he cannot be held responsable for the events of 20/20 which has changed things and we need to react to that.You do realize that if we delay another 6 months we then will be liable to pay a share of the eu coronavirus recovery fund as it stands we are not.
And Rees Mogg's company will have to pay more tax. Probably not just him either ??Where is your source of info from? as cant find anything on it from google would be interested to read it.
https://www.channel4.com/press/news/brexiteer-jacob-rees-mogg-estimated-have-earnt-ps7m-investments-referendum-according
Just waiting for you to say Channel 4 news, left wing...blah blah blah...Interesting read but only says one investment has generated that money since brexit not that it was a direct result of brexit.I have made money since we left is that a direct result no.As for the fall of the £-e that happens all the time i can remember 2008 when it was 1 to 1 and no mention of brexit.
Difference is, I dare say, you pay the proper amount of tax....I have no idea how much he pays in tax or if he avoids it no more than you do but guess because he has a lot of money he has to.
The fact he utilises off shore tax havens isn't s great look whilst saying he finds the use of food banks 'uplifting'. We can all hope he cares about the the people of this country.....I have my doubts. His father's book points to his real interests...."
I haven't read it what are his real interests? |
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"The BREXIT Divorce Bill, which we were told would be about £40 billion, turns out to actually have been about £160 billion.
But it's even worse than that. In their rush to leave by a totally arbitrary date Johnson's withdrawal agreement ment we left on 31 January 2020 but continued are commitments, with no say, until 31 December 2020 and this commitment includes our 12% share of any EU debt incurred up to 31 December 2020. With the current grants and loans being given out by the EU in it's Covid Recovery Fund (which we are not entitled to) that divorce settlement figure of £160 billion is likely to at least double.
Isn't it about time we stopped rushing for the quickest BREXIT possible and all started working for the best BREXIT possible. It was our rush to leave, regardless of how good or bad the withdrawal agreement we had was, by a set date that has lead to our actual divorce settlement being in the order of 10 times bigger than the £40 billion expected. Why do we have to make the same mistake again with the end of the translation period. If we're going to do BREXIT let's at least, going forward from here, do it well and make sure any deal the government does get is scrutinised properly to make sure the deal they think they've negotiated is actually the deal they've got and doesn't leave us in a situation where we have almost unlimited liabilities but with no say at all.Basically true but who will agree on what is the so called best Brexit.
I do thing however due to the current situation we should delay for six months.Ok people will slag Johnson off again but he cannot be held responsable for the events of 20/20 which has changed things and we need to react to that.You do realize that if we delay another 6 months we then will be liable to pay a share of the eu coronavirus recovery fund as it stands we are not.
And Rees Mogg's company will have to pay more tax. Probably not just him either ??Where is your source of info from? as cant find anything on it from google would be interested to read it.
https://www.channel4.com/press/news/brexiteer-jacob-rees-mogg-estimated-have-earnt-ps7m-investments-referendum-according
Just waiting for you to say Channel 4 news, left wing...blah blah blah...Interesting read but only says one investment has generated that money since brexit not that it was a direct result of brexit.I have made money since we left is that a direct result no.As for the fall of the £-e that happens all the time i can remember 2008 when it was 1 to 1 and no mention of brexit.
Difference is, I dare say, you pay the proper amount of tax....I have no idea how much he pays in tax or if he avoids it no more than you do but guess because he has a lot of money he has to.
The fact he utilises off shore tax havens isn't s great look whilst saying he finds the use of food banks 'uplifting'. We can all hope he cares about the the people of this country.....I have my doubts. His father's book points to his real interests....I haven't read it what are his real interests?"
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2018/nov/09/mystic-mogg-jacob-rees-mogg-willam-predicts-brexit-plans
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
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"The BREXIT Divorce Bill, which we were told would be about £40 billion, turns out to actually have been about £160 billion.
But it's even worse than that. In their rush to leave by a totally arbitrary date Johnson's withdrawal agreement ment we left on 31 January 2020 but continued are commitments, with no say, until 31 December 2020 and this commitment includes our 12% share of any EU debt incurred up to 31 December 2020. With the current grants and loans being given out by the EU in it's Covid Recovery Fund (which we are not entitled to) that divorce settlement figure of £160 billion is likely to at least double.
Isn't it about time we stopped rushing for the quickest BREXIT possible and all started working for the best BREXIT possible. It was our rush to leave, regardless of how good or bad the withdrawal agreement we had was, by a set date that has lead to our actual divorce settlement being in the order of 10 times bigger than the £40 billion expected. Why do we have to make the same mistake again with the end of the translation period. If we're going to do BREXIT let's at least, going forward from here, do it well and make sure any deal the government does get is scrutinised properly to make sure the deal they think they've negotiated is actually the deal they've got and doesn't leave us in a situation where we have almost unlimited liabilities but with no say at all.Basically true but who will agree on what is the so called best Brexit.
I do thing however due to the current situation we should delay for six months.Ok people will slag Johnson off again but he cannot be held responsable for the events of 20/20 which has changed things and we need to react to that.You do realize that if we delay another 6 months we then will be liable to pay a share of the eu coronavirus recovery fund as it stands we are not.
And Rees Mogg's company will have to pay more tax. Probably not just him either ??Where is your source of info from? as cant find anything on it from google would be interested to read it.
https://www.channel4.com/press/news/brexiteer-jacob-rees-mogg-estimated-have-earnt-ps7m-investments-referendum-according
Just waiting for you to say Channel 4 news, left wing...blah blah blah...Interesting read but only says one investment has generated that money since brexit not that it was a direct result of brexit.I have made money since we left is that a direct result no.As for the fall of the £-e that happens all the time i can remember 2008 when it was 1 to 1 and no mention of brexit.
Difference is, I dare say, you pay the proper amount of tax...."
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"The BREXIT Divorce Bill, which we were told would be about £40 billion, turns out to actually have been about £160 billion.
But it's even worse than that. In their rush to leave by a totally arbitrary date Johnson's withdrawal agreement ment we left on 31 January 2020 but continued are commitments, with no say, until 31 December 2020 and this commitment includes our 12% share of any EU debt incurred up to 31 December 2020. With the current grants and loans being given out by the EU in it's Covid Recovery Fund (which we are not entitled to) that divorce settlement figure of £160 billion is likely to at least double.
Isn't it about time we stopped rushing for the quickest BREXIT possible and all started working for the best BREXIT possible. It was our rush to leave, regardless of how good or bad the withdrawal agreement we had was, by a set date that has lead to our actual divorce settlement being in the order of 10 times bigger than the £40 billion expected. Why do we have to make the same mistake again with the end of the translation period. If we're going to do BREXIT let's at least, going forward from here, do it well and make sure any deal the government does get is scrutinised properly to make sure the deal they think they've negotiated is actually the deal they've got and doesn't leave us in a situation where we have almost unlimited liabilities but with no say at all.Basically true but who will agree on what is the so called best Brexit.
I do thing however due to the current situation we should delay for six months.Ok people will slag Johnson off again but he cannot be held responsable for the events of 20/20 which has changed things and we need to react to that.You do realize that if we delay another 6 months we then will be liable to pay a share of the eu coronavirus recovery fund as it stands we are not.
And Rees Mogg's company will have to pay more tax. Probably not just him either ??Where is your source of info from? as cant find anything on it from google would be interested to read it.
https://www.channel4.com/press/news/brexiteer-jacob-rees-mogg-estimated-have-earnt-ps7m-investments-referendum-according
Just waiting for you to say Channel 4 news, left wing...blah blah blah...Interesting read but only says one investment has generated that money since brexit not that it was a direct result of brexit.I have made money since we left is that a direct result no.As for the fall of the £-e that happens all the time i can remember 2008 when it was 1 to 1 and no mention of brexit.
Difference is, I dare say, you pay the proper amount of tax....
Do you have any evidence that JRM evades tax? "
Using tax havens, although not illegal, means you are not paying avoiding rather than evading. No?? |
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I thought Reece mogg was a piss take when I saw him on have I got news for you.
A right wing millionaire who wouldnt piss on the poor and whose dad wrote a book about how to make a money during a disaster.
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"The BREXIT Divorce Bill, which we were told would be about £40 billion, turns out to actually have been about £160 billion.
But it's even worse than that. In their rush to leave by a totally arbitrary date Johnson's withdrawal agreement ment we left on 31 January 2020 but continued are commitments, with no say, until 31 December 2020 and this commitment includes our 12% share of any EU debt incurred up to 31 December 2020. With the current grants and loans being given out by the EU in it's Covid Recovery Fund (which we are not entitled to) that divorce settlement figure of £160 billion is likely to at least double.
Isn't it about time we stopped rushing for the quickest BREXIT possible and all started working for the best BREXIT possible. It was our rush to leave, regardless of how good or bad the withdrawal agreement we had was, by a set date that has lead to our actual divorce settlement being in the order of 10 times bigger than the £40 billion expected. Why do we have to make the same mistake again with the end of the translation period. If we're going to do BREXIT let's at least, going forward from here, do it well and make sure any deal the government does get is scrutinised properly to make sure the deal they think they've negotiated is actually the deal they've got and doesn't leave us in a situation where we have almost unlimited liabilities but with no say at all.Basically true but who will agree on what is the so called best Brexit.
I do thing however due to the current situation we should delay for six months.Ok people will slag Johnson off again but he cannot be held responsable for the events of 20/20 which has changed things and we need to react to that.You do realize that if we delay another 6 months we then will be liable to pay a share of the eu coronavirus recovery fund as it stands we are not.
And Rees Mogg's company will have to pay more tax. Probably not just him either ??Where is your source of info from? as cant find anything on it from google would be interested to read it.
https://www.channel4.com/press/news/brexiteer-jacob-rees-mogg-estimated-have-earnt-ps7m-investments-referendum-according
Just waiting for you to say Channel 4 news, left wing...blah blah blah...Interesting read but only says one investment has generated that money since brexit not that it was a direct result of brexit.I have made money since we left is that a direct result no.As for the fall of the £-e that happens all the time i can remember 2008 when it was 1 to 1 and no mention of brexit.
Difference is, I dare say, you pay the proper amount of tax....I have no idea how much he pays in tax or if he avoids it no more than you do but guess because he has a lot of money he has to.
The fact he utilises off shore tax havens isn't s great look whilst saying he finds the use of food banks 'uplifting'. We can all hope he cares about the the people of this country.....I have my doubts. His father's book points to his real interests....I haven't read it what are his real interests?
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2018/nov/09/mystic-mogg-jacob-rees-mogg-willam-predicts-brexit-plans
Very revealing.."
Interesting i give you that, seemed to have predicted the future but wrong on so many other things.Does it really point to his real interests or just the guardian spin? this is the question.I think i may get that book thanks. |
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"The BREXIT Divorce Bill, which we were told would be about £40 billion, turns out to actually have been about £160 billion.
But it's even worse than that. In their rush to leave by a totally arbitrary date Johnson's withdrawal agreement ment we left on 31 January 2020 but continued are commitments, with no say, until 31 December 2020 and this commitment includes our 12% share of any EU debt incurred up to 31 December 2020. With the current grants and loans being given out by the EU in it's Covid Recovery Fund (which we are not entitled to) that divorce settlement figure of £160 billion is likely to at least double.
Isn't it about time we stopped rushing for the quickest BREXIT possible and all started working for the best BREXIT possible. It was our rush to leave, regardless of how good or bad the withdrawal agreement we had was, by a set date that has lead to our actual divorce settlement being in the order of 10 times bigger than the £40 billion expected. Why do we have to make the same mistake again with the end of the translation period. If we're going to do BREXIT let's at least, going forward from here, do it well and make sure any deal the government does get is scrutinised properly to make sure the deal they think they've negotiated is actually the deal they've got and doesn't leave us in a situation where we have almost unlimited liabilities but with no say at all.Basically true but who will agree on what is the so called best Brexit.
I do thing however due to the current situation we should delay for six months.Ok people will slag Johnson off again but he cannot be held responsable for the events of 20/20 which has changed things and we need to react to that.You do realize that if we delay another 6 months we then will be liable to pay a share of the eu coronavirus recovery fund as it stands we are not.
And Rees Mogg's company will have to pay more tax. Probably not just him either ??Where is your source of info from? as cant find anything on it from google would be interested to read it.
https://www.channel4.com/press/news/brexiteer-jacob-rees-mogg-estimated-have-earnt-ps7m-investments-referendum-according
Just waiting for you to say Channel 4 news, left wing...blah blah blah...Interesting read but only says one investment has generated that money since brexit not that it was a direct result of brexit.I have made money since we left is that a direct result no.As for the fall of the £-e that happens all the time i can remember 2008 when it was 1 to 1 and no mention of brexit.
Difference is, I dare say, you pay the proper amount of tax....I have no idea how much he pays in tax or if he avoids it no more than you do but guess because he has a lot of money he has to.
The fact he utilises off shore tax havens isn't s great look whilst saying he finds the use of food banks 'uplifting'. We can all hope he cares about the the people of this country.....I have my doubts. His father's book points to his real interests....I haven't read it what are his real interests?
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2018/nov/09/mystic-mogg-jacob-rees-mogg-willam-predicts-brexit-plans
Very revealing..Interesting i give you that, seemed to have predicted the future but wrong on so many other things.Does it really point to his real interests or just the guardian spin? this is the question.I think i may get that book thanks."
No probs. It's certainly true, that those with a lot of money to play with, like volatility. No much good for the rest of us! |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"The BREXIT Divorce Bill, which we were told would be about £40 billion, turns out to actually have been about £160 billion.
But it's even worse than that. In their rush to leave by a totally arbitrary date Johnson's withdrawal agreement ment we left on 31 January 2020 but continued are commitments, with no say, until 31 December 2020 and this commitment includes our 12% share of any EU debt incurred up to 31 December 2020. With the current grants and loans being given out by the EU in it's Covid Recovery Fund (which we are not entitled to) that divorce settlement figure of £160 billion is likely to at least double.
Isn't it about time we stopped rushing for the quickest BREXIT possible and all started working for the best BREXIT possible. It was our rush to leave, regardless of how good or bad the withdrawal agreement we had was, by a set date that has lead to our actual divorce settlement being in the order of 10 times bigger than the £40 billion expected. Why do we have to make the same mistake again with the end of the translation period. If we're going to do BREXIT let's at least, going forward from here, do it well and make sure any deal the government does get is scrutinised properly to make sure the deal they think they've negotiated is actually the deal they've got and doesn't leave us in a situation where we have almost unlimited liabilities but with no say at all.Basically true but who will agree on what is the so called best Brexit.
I do thing however due to the current situation we should delay for six months.Ok people will slag Johnson off again but he cannot be held responsable for the events of 20/20 which has changed things and we need to react to that.You do realize that if we delay another 6 months we then will be liable to pay a share of the eu coronavirus recovery fund as it stands we are not.
And Rees Mogg's company will have to pay more tax. Probably not just him either ??Where is your source of info from? as cant find anything on it from google would be interested to read it.
https://www.channel4.com/press/news/brexiteer-jacob-rees-mogg-estimated-have-earnt-ps7m-investments-referendum-according
Just waiting for you to say Channel 4 news, left wing...blah blah blah...Interesting read but only says one investment has generated that money since brexit not that it was a direct result of brexit.I have made money since we left is that a direct result no.As for the fall of the £-e that happens all the time i can remember 2008 when it was 1 to 1 and no mention of brexit.
Difference is, I dare say, you pay the proper amount of tax....I have no idea how much he pays in tax or if he avoids it no more than you do but guess because he has a lot of money he has to.
The fact he utilises off shore tax havens isn't s great look whilst saying he finds the use of food banks 'uplifting'. We can all hope he cares about the the people of this country.....I have my doubts. His father's book points to his real interests....I haven't read it what are his real interests?
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2018/nov/09/mystic-mogg-jacob-rees-mogg-willam-predicts-brexit-plans
Very revealing..Interesting i give you that, seemed to have predicted the future but wrong on so many other things.Does it really point to his real interests or just the guardian spin? this is the question.I think i may get that book thanks.
No probs. It's certainly true, that those with a lot of money to play with, like volatility. No much good for the rest of us!"
It doesnt change the fact that we are still in the eu until the end of the year and all rules still apply until then so saying he has made all this money since the brexit vote is really a non story as he would have made it anyway as nothing has changed.Ok a bigger fluctuation in the exchange rate possibly added a bit. |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
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"The BREXIT Divorce Bill, which we were told would be about £40 billion, turns out to actually have been about £160 billion.
But it's even worse than that. In their rush to leave by a totally arbitrary date Johnson's withdrawal agreement ment we left on 31 January 2020 but continued are commitments, with no say, until 31 December 2020 and this commitment includes our 12% share of any EU debt incurred up to 31 December 2020. With the current grants and loans being given out by the EU in it's Covid Recovery Fund (which we are not entitled to) that divorce settlement figure of £160 billion is likely to at least double.
Isn't it about time we stopped rushing for the quickest BREXIT possible and all started working for the best BREXIT possible. It was our rush to leave, regardless of how good or bad the withdrawal agreement we had was, by a set date that has lead to our actual divorce settlement being in the order of 10 times bigger than the £40 billion expected. Why do we have to make the same mistake again with the end of the translation period. If we're going to do BREXIT let's at least, going forward from here, do it well and make sure any deal the government does get is scrutinised properly to make sure the deal they think they've negotiated is actually the deal they've got and doesn't leave us in a situation where we have almost unlimited liabilities but with no say at all.Basically true but who will agree on what is the so called best Brexit.
I do thing however due to the current situation we should delay for six months.Ok people will slag Johnson off again but he cannot be held responsable for the events of 20/20 which has changed things and we need to react to that.You do realize that if we delay another 6 months we then will be liable to pay a share of the eu coronavirus recovery fund as it stands we are not.
And Rees Mogg's company will have to pay more tax. Probably not just him either ??Where is your source of info from? as cant find anything on it from google would be interested to read it.
https://www.channel4.com/press/news/brexiteer-jacob-rees-mogg-estimated-have-earnt-ps7m-investments-referendum-according
Just waiting for you to say Channel 4 news, left wing...blah blah blah...Interesting read but only says one investment has generated that money since brexit not that it was a direct result of brexit.I have made money since we left is that a direct result no.As for the fall of the £-e that happens all the time i can remember 2008 when it was 1 to 1 and no mention of brexit.
Difference is, I dare say, you pay the proper amount of tax....
Do you have any evidence that JRM evades tax?
Using tax havens, although not illegal, means you are not paying avoiding rather than evading. No??"
The use of tax havens is more a case of morality rather than legality.
The Company that JRM holds a 15% stake in, has certainly used tax havens. There has always been a case for international action on tax havens, but it will never happen.
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"The BREXIT Divorce Bill, which we were told would be about £40 billion, turns out to actually have been about £160 billion.
But it's even worse than that. In their rush to leave by a totally arbitrary date Johnson's withdrawal agreement ment we left on 31 January 2020 but continued are commitments, with no say, until 31 December 2020 and this commitment includes our 12% share of any EU debt incurred up to 31 December 2020. With the current grants and loans being given out by the EU in it's Covid Recovery Fund (which we are not entitled to) that divorce settlement figure of £160 billion is likely to at least double.
Isn't it about time we stopped rushing for the quickest BREXIT possible and all started working for the best BREXIT possible. It was our rush to leave, regardless of how good or bad the withdrawal agreement we had was, by a set date that has lead to our actual divorce settlement being in the order of 10 times bigger than the £40 billion expected. Why do we have to make the same mistake again with the end of the translation period. If we're going to do BREXIT let's at least, going forward from here, do it well and make sure any deal the government does get is scrutinised properly to make sure the deal they think they've negotiated is actually the deal they've got and doesn't leave us in a situation where we have almost unlimited liabilities but with no say at all.Basically true but who will agree on what is the so called best Brexit.
I do thing however due to the current situation we should delay for six months.Ok people will slag Johnson off again but he cannot be held responsable for the events of 20/20 which has changed things and we need to react to that.You do realize that if we delay another 6 months we then will be liable to pay a share of the eu coronavirus recovery fund as it stands we are not.
And Rees Mogg's company will have to pay more tax. Probably not just him either ??Where is your source of info from? as cant find anything on it from google would be interested to read it.
https://www.channel4.com/press/news/brexiteer-jacob-rees-mogg-estimated-have-earnt-ps7m-investments-referendum-according
Just waiting for you to say Channel 4 news, left wing...blah blah blah...Interesting read but only says one investment has generated that money since brexit not that it was a direct result of brexit.I have made money since we left is that a direct result no.As for the fall of the £-e that happens all the time i can remember 2008 when it was 1 to 1 and no mention of brexit.
Difference is, I dare say, you pay the proper amount of tax....I have no idea how much he pays in tax or if he avoids it no more than you do but guess because he has a lot of money he has to.
The fact he utilises off shore tax havens isn't s great look whilst saying he finds the use of food banks 'uplifting'. We can all hope he cares about the the people of this country.....I have my doubts. His father's book points to his real interests....I haven't read it what are his real interests?
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2018/nov/09/mystic-mogg-jacob-rees-mogg-willam-predicts-brexit-plans
Very revealing..Interesting i give you that, seemed to have predicted the future but wrong on so many other things.Does it really point to his real interests or just the guardian spin? this is the question.I think i may get that book thanks.
No probs. It's certainly true, that those with a lot of money to play with, like volatility. No much good for the rest of us!It doesnt change the fact that we are still in the eu until the end of the year and all rules still apply until then so saying he has made all this money since the brexit vote is really a non story as he would have made it anyway as nothing has changed.Ok a bigger fluctuation in the exchange rate possibly added a bit."
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"The BREXIT Divorce Bill, which we were told would be about £40 billion, turns out to actually have been about £160 billion.
But it's even worse than that. In their rush to leave by a totally arbitrary date Johnson's withdrawal agreement ment we left on 31 January 2020 but continued are commitments, with no say, until 31 December 2020 and this commitment includes our 12% share of any EU debt incurred up to 31 December 2020. With the current grants and loans being given out by the EU in it's Covid Recovery Fund (which we are not entitled to) that divorce settlement figure of £160 billion is likely to at least double.
Isn't it about time we stopped rushing for the quickest BREXIT possible and all started working for the best BREXIT possible. It was our rush to leave, regardless of how good or bad the withdrawal agreement we had was, by a set date that has lead to our actual divorce settlement being in the order of 10 times bigger than the £40 billion expected. Why do we have to make the same mistake again with the end of the translation period. If we're going to do BREXIT let's at least, going forward from here, do it well and make sure any deal the government does get is scrutinised properly to make sure the deal they think they've negotiated is actually the deal they've got and doesn't leave us in a situation where we have almost unlimited liabilities but with no say at all.Basically true but who will agree on what is the so called best Brexit.
I do thing however due to the current situation we should delay for six months.Ok people will slag Johnson off again but he cannot be held responsable for the events of 20/20 which has changed things and we need to react to that.You do realize that if we delay another 6 months we then will be liable to pay a share of the eu coronavirus recovery fund as it stands we are not.
And Rees Mogg's company will have to pay more tax. Probably not just him either ??Where is your source of info from? as cant find anything on it from google would be interested to read it.
https://www.channel4.com/press/news/brexiteer-jacob-rees-mogg-estimated-have-earnt-ps7m-investments-referendum-according
Just waiting for you to say Channel 4 news, left wing...blah blah blah...Interesting read but only says one investment has generated that money since brexit not that it was a direct result of brexit.I have made money since we left is that a direct result no.As for the fall of the £-e that happens all the time i can remember 2008 when it was 1 to 1 and no mention of brexit.
Difference is, I dare say, you pay the proper amount of tax....
Do you have any evidence that JRM evades tax?
Using tax havens, although not illegal, means you are not paying avoiding rather than evading. No??
The use of tax havens is more a case of morality rather than legality.
The Company that JRM holds a 15% stake in, has certainly used tax havens. There has always been a case for international action on tax havens, but it will never happen.
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
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"The BREXIT Divorce Bill, which we were told would be about £40 billion, turns out to actually have been about £160 billion.
But it's even worse than that. In their rush to leave by a totally arbitrary date Johnson's withdrawal agreement ment we left on 31 January 2020 but continued are commitments, with no say, until 31 December 2020 and this commitment includes our 12% share of any EU debt incurred up to 31 December 2020. With the current grants and loans being given out by the EU in it's Covid Recovery Fund (which we are not entitled to) that divorce settlement figure of £160 billion is likely to at least double.
Isn't it about time we stopped rushing for the quickest BREXIT possible and all started working for the best BREXIT possible. It was our rush to leave, regardless of how good or bad the withdrawal agreement we had was, by a set date that has lead to our actual divorce settlement being in the order of 10 times bigger than the £40 billion expected. Why do we have to make the same mistake again with the end of the translation period. If we're going to do BREXIT let's at least, going forward from here, do it well and make sure any deal the government does get is scrutinised properly to make sure the deal they think they've negotiated is actually the deal they've got and doesn't leave us in a situation where we have almost unlimited liabilities but with no say at all.Basically true but who will agree on what is the so called best Brexit.
I do thing however due to the current situation we should delay for six months.Ok people will slag Johnson off again but he cannot be held responsable for the events of 20/20 which has changed things and we need to react to that.You do realize that if we delay another 6 months we then will be liable to pay a share of the eu coronavirus recovery fund as it stands we are not.
And Rees Mogg's company will have to pay more tax. Probably not just him either ??Where is your source of info from? as cant find anything on it from google would be interested to read it.
https://www.channel4.com/press/news/brexiteer-jacob-rees-mogg-estimated-have-earnt-ps7m-investments-referendum-according
Just waiting for you to say Channel 4 news, left wing...blah blah blah...Interesting read but only says one investment has generated that money since brexit not that it was a direct result of brexit.I have made money since we left is that a direct result no.As for the fall of the £-e that happens all the time i can remember 2008 when it was 1 to 1 and no mention of brexit.
Difference is, I dare say, you pay the proper amount of tax....
Do you have any evidence that JRM evades tax?
Using tax havens, although not illegal, means you are not paying avoiding rather than evading. No??
The use of tax havens is more a case of morality rather than legality.
The Company that JRM holds a 15% stake in, has certainly used tax havens. There has always been a case for international action on tax havens, but it will never happen.
Aren't the eu trying to go after them?"
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"The BREXIT Divorce Bill, which we were told would be about £40 billion, turns out to actually have been about £160 billion.
But it's even worse than that. In their rush to leave by a totally arbitrary date Johnson's withdrawal agreement ment we left on 31 January 2020 but continued are commitments, with no say, until 31 December 2020 and this commitment includes our 12% share of any EU debt incurred up to 31 December 2020. With the current grants and loans being given out by the EU in it's Covid Recovery Fund (which we are not entitled to) that divorce settlement figure of £160 billion is likely to at least double.
Isn't it about time we stopped rushing for the quickest BREXIT possible and all started working for the best BREXIT possible. It was our rush to leave, regardless of how good or bad the withdrawal agreement we had was, by a set date that has lead to our actual divorce settlement being in the order of 10 times bigger than the £40 billion expected. Why do we have to make the same mistake again with the end of the translation period. If we're going to do BREXIT let's at least, going forward from here, do it well and make sure any deal the government does get is scrutinised properly to make sure the deal they think they've negotiated is actually the deal they've got and doesn't leave us in a situation where we have almost unlimited liabilities but with no say at all.Basically true but who will agree on what is the so called best Brexit.
I do thing however due to the current situation we should delay for six months.Ok people will slag Johnson off again but he cannot be held responsable for the events of 20/20 which has changed things and we need to react to that.You do realize that if we delay another 6 months we then will be liable to pay a share of the eu coronavirus recovery fund as it stands we are not.
And Rees Mogg's company will have to pay more tax. Probably not just him either ??Where is your source of info from? as cant find anything on it from google would be interested to read it.
https://www.channel4.com/press/news/brexiteer-jacob-rees-mogg-estimated-have-earnt-ps7m-investments-referendum-according
Just waiting for you to say Channel 4 news, left wing...blah blah blah...Interesting read but only says one investment has generated that money since brexit not that it was a direct result of brexit.I have made money since we left is that a direct result no.As for the fall of the £-e that happens all the time i can remember 2008 when it was 1 to 1 and no mention of brexit.
Difference is, I dare say, you pay the proper amount of tax....I have no idea how much he pays in tax or if he avoids it no more than you do but guess because he has a lot of money he has to.
The fact he utilises off shore tax havens isn't s great look whilst saying he finds the use of food banks 'uplifting'. We can all hope he cares about the the people of this country.....I have my doubts. His father's book points to his real interests....I haven't read it what are his real interests?
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2018/nov/09/mystic-mogg-jacob-rees-mogg-willam-predicts-brexit-plans
Very revealing..Interesting i give you that, seemed to have predicted the future but wrong on so many other things.Does it really point to his real interests or just the guardian spin? this is the question.I think i may get that book thanks."
it’s amazing how with the stubbornness of a maniac you’re trying to prove that you are correct.
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"The BREXIT Divorce Bill, which we were told would be about £40 billion, turns out to actually have been about £160 billion.
But it's even worse than that. In their rush to leave by a totally arbitrary date Johnson's withdrawal agreement ment we left on 31 January 2020 but continued are commitments, with no say, until 31 December 2020 and this commitment includes our 12% share of any EU debt incurred up to 31 December 2020. With the current grants and loans being given out by the EU in it's Covid Recovery Fund (which we are not entitled to) that divorce settlement figure of £160 billion is likely to at least double.
Isn't it about time we stopped rushing for the quickest BREXIT possible and all started working for the best BREXIT possible. It was our rush to leave, regardless of how good or bad the withdrawal agreement we had was, by a set date that has lead to our actual divorce settlement being in the order of 10 times bigger than the £40 billion expected. Why do we have to make the same mistake again with the end of the translation period. If we're going to do BREXIT let's at least, going forward from here, do it well and make sure any deal the government does get is scrutinised properly to make sure the deal they think they've negotiated is actually the deal they've got and doesn't leave us in a situation where we have almost unlimited liabilities but with no say at all.Basically true but who will agree on what is the so called best Brexit.
I do thing however due to the current situation we should delay for six months.Ok people will slag Johnson off again but he cannot be held responsable for the events of 20/20 which has changed things and we need to react to that.You do realize that if we delay another 6 months we then will be liable to pay a share of the eu coronavirus recovery fund as it stands we are not.
And Rees Mogg's company will have to pay more tax. Probably not just him either ??Where is your source of info from? as cant find anything on it from google would be interested to read it.
https://www.channel4.com/press/news/brexiteer-jacob-rees-mogg-estimated-have-earnt-ps7m-investments-referendum-according
Just waiting for you to say Channel 4 news, left wing...blah blah blah...Interesting read but only says one investment has generated that money since brexit not that it was a direct result of brexit.I have made money since we left is that a direct result no.As for the fall of the £-e that happens all the time i can remember 2008 when it was 1 to 1 and no mention of brexit.
Difference is, I dare say, you pay the proper amount of tax....
Do you have any evidence that JRM evades tax?
Using tax havens, although not illegal, means you are not paying avoiding rather than evading. No??
The use of tax havens is more a case of morality rather than legality.
The Company that JRM holds a 15% stake in, has certainly used tax havens. There has always been a case for international action on tax havens, but it will never happen.
Aren't the eu trying to go after them?
They might well be. How much progress has been made? "
Dunno.least they are trying I suppose?
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
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"The BREXIT Divorce Bill, which we were told would be about £40 billion, turns out to actually have been about £160 billion.
But it's even worse than that. In their rush to leave by a totally arbitrary date Johnson's withdrawal agreement ment we left on 31 January 2020 but continued are commitments, with no say, until 31 December 2020 and this commitment includes our 12% share of any EU debt incurred up to 31 December 2020. With the current grants and loans being given out by the EU in it's Covid Recovery Fund (which we are not entitled to) that divorce settlement figure of £160 billion is likely to at least double.
Isn't it about time we stopped rushing for the quickest BREXIT possible and all started working for the best BREXIT possible. It was our rush to leave, regardless of how good or bad the withdrawal agreement we had was, by a set date that has lead to our actual divorce settlement being in the order of 10 times bigger than the £40 billion expected. Why do we have to make the same mistake again with the end of the translation period. If we're going to do BREXIT let's at least, going forward from here, do it well and make sure any deal the government does get is scrutinised properly to make sure the deal they think they've negotiated is actually the deal they've got and doesn't leave us in a situation where we have almost unlimited liabilities but with no say at all.Basically true but who will agree on what is the so called best Brexit.
I do thing however due to the current situation we should delay for six months.Ok people will slag Johnson off again but he cannot be held responsable for the events of 20/20 which has changed things and we need to react to that.You do realize that if we delay another 6 months we then will be liable to pay a share of the eu coronavirus recovery fund as it stands we are not.
And Rees Mogg's company will have to pay more tax. Probably not just him either ??Where is your source of info from? as cant find anything on it from google would be interested to read it.
https://www.channel4.com/press/news/brexiteer-jacob-rees-mogg-estimated-have-earnt-ps7m-investments-referendum-according
Just waiting for you to say Channel 4 news, left wing...blah blah blah...Interesting read but only says one investment has generated that money since brexit not that it was a direct result of brexit.I have made money since we left is that a direct result no.As for the fall of the £-e that happens all the time i can remember 2008 when it was 1 to 1 and no mention of brexit.
Difference is, I dare say, you pay the proper amount of tax....
Do you have any evidence that JRM evades tax?
Using tax havens, although not illegal, means you are not paying avoiding rather than evading. No??
The use of tax havens is more a case of morality rather than legality.
The Company that JRM holds a 15% stake in, has certainly used tax havens. There has always been a case for international action on tax havens, but it will never happen.
Aren't the eu trying to go after them?
They might well be. How much progress has been made?
Dunno.least they are trying I suppose?
No wonder reece mogg and his ilk wanted out."
The EU couldn't even hold Apple to account over their 0.05% tax rate paid to Ireland. |
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"The BREXIT Divorce Bill, which we were told would be about £40 billion, turns out to actually have been about £160 billion.
But it's even worse than that. In their rush to leave by a totally arbitrary date Johnson's withdrawal agreement ment we left on 31 January 2020 but continued are commitments, with no say, until 31 December 2020 and this commitment includes our 12% share of any EU debt incurred up to 31 December 2020. With the current grants and loans being given out by the EU in it's Covid Recovery Fund (which we are not entitled to) that divorce settlement figure of £160 billion is likely to at least double.
Isn't it about time we stopped rushing for the quickest BREXIT possible and all started working for the best BREXIT possible. It was our rush to leave, regardless of how good or bad the withdrawal agreement we had was, by a set date that has lead to our actual divorce settlement being in the order of 10 times bigger than the £40 billion expected. Why do we have to make the same mistake again with the end of the translation period. If we're going to do BREXIT let's at least, going forward from here, do it well and make sure any deal the government does get is scrutinised properly to make sure the deal they think they've negotiated is actually the deal they've got and doesn't leave us in a situation where we have almost unlimited liabilities but with no say at all.Basically true but who will agree on what is the so called best Brexit.
I do thing however due to the current situation we should delay for six months.Ok people will slag Johnson off again but he cannot be held responsable for the events of 20/20 which has changed things and we need to react to that.You do realize that if we delay another 6 months we then will be liable to pay a share of the eu coronavirus recovery fund as it stands we are not.
And Rees Mogg's company will have to pay more tax. Probably not just him either ??Where is your source of info from? as cant find anything on it from google would be interested to read it.
https://www.channel4.com/press/news/brexiteer-jacob-rees-mogg-estimated-have-earnt-ps7m-investments-referendum-according
Just waiting for you to say Channel 4 news, left wing...blah blah blah...Interesting read but only says one investment has generated that money since brexit not that it was a direct result of brexit.I have made money since we left is that a direct result no.As for the fall of the £-e that happens all the time i can remember 2008 when it was 1 to 1 and no mention of brexit.
Difference is, I dare say, you pay the proper amount of tax....
Do you have any evidence that JRM evades tax?
Using tax havens, although not illegal, means you are not paying avoiding rather than evading. No??
The use of tax havens is more a case of morality rather than legality.
The Company that JRM holds a 15% stake in, has certainly used tax havens. There has always been a case for international action on tax havens, but it will never happen.
Aren't the eu trying to go after them?
They might well be. How much progress has been made?
Dunno.least they are trying I suppose?
No wonder reece mogg and his ilk wanted out.
The EU couldn't even hold Apple to account over their 0.05% tax rate paid to Ireland. "
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"The BREXIT Divorce Bill, which we were told would be about £40 billion, turns out to actually have been about £160 billion.
But it's even worse than that. In their rush to leave by a totally arbitrary date Johnson's withdrawal agreement ment we left on 31 January 2020 but continued are commitments, with no say, until 31 December 2020 and this commitment includes our 12% share of any EU debt incurred up to 31 December 2020. With the current grants and loans being given out by the EU in it's Covid Recovery Fund (which we are not entitled to) that divorce settlement figure of £160 billion is likely to at least double.
Isn't it about time we stopped rushing for the quickest BREXIT possible and all started working for the best BREXIT possible. It was our rush to leave, regardless of how good or bad the withdrawal agreement we had was, by a set date that has lead to our actual divorce settlement being in the order of 10 times bigger than the £40 billion expected. Why do we have to make the same mistake again with the end of the translation period. If we're going to do BREXIT let's at least, going forward from here, do it well and make sure any deal the government does get is scrutinised properly to make sure the deal they think they've negotiated is actually the deal they've got and doesn't leave us in a situation where we have almost unlimited liabilities but with no say at all."
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"The BREXIT Divorce Bill, which we were told would be about £40 billion, turns out to actually have been about £160 billion.
But it's even worse than that. In their rush to leave by a totally arbitrary date Johnson's withdrawal agreement ment we left on 31 January 2020 but continued are commitments, with no say, until 31 December 2020 and this commitment includes our 12% share of any EU debt incurred up to 31 December 2020. With the current grants and loans being given out by the EU in it's Covid Recovery Fund (which we are not entitled to) that divorce settlement figure of £160 billion is likely to at least double.
Isn't it about time we stopped rushing for the quickest BREXIT possible and all started working for the best BREXIT possible. It was our rush to leave, regardless of how good or bad the withdrawal agreement we had was, by a set date that has lead to our actual divorce settlement being in the order of 10 times bigger than the £40 billion expected. Why do we have to make the same mistake again with the end of the translation period. If we're going to do BREXIT let's at least, going forward from here, do it well and make sure any deal the government does get is scrutinised properly to make sure the deal they think they've negotiated is actually the deal they've got and doesn't leave us in a situation where we have almost unlimited liabilities but with no say at all.Basically true but who will agree on what is the so called best Brexit.
I do thing however due to the current situation we should delay for six months.Ok people will slag Johnson off again but he cannot be held responsable for the events of 20/20 which has changed things and we need to react to that.You do realize that if we delay another 6 months we then will be liable to pay a share of the eu coronavirus recovery fund as it stands we are not. "
Actually, as I said in my original post, as it stands we are liable for the EU Coronavirus Recovery Fund now. That's the whole point of the post. As for the source: if you don't want to search it out for yourself try this link.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1317830/Brexit-news-Eu-loans-Boris-Johnson-withdrawal-agreement-Iain-Duncan-Smith
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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No ian duncan smith said COULD, but he wants the whole agreement scrapped so using that as a scare tactic.
The sum under dispute is hard to calculate precisely, as it is made up of several funding commitments, but amounts to between €200 million and €300 million, U.K. officials estimate.
The British position is that the U.K. should not be liable to pay any commitments that stem from post-Brexit changes to the EU's Multiannual Financial Framework (MFF) regulations — and nor should it benefit from such funding. About a third of the U.K.'s overall commitment to the coronavirus fund is not under dispute, because British officials consider that it comes under previously agreed "flexibilities" in the MFF regulations. |
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"No ian duncan smith said COULD, but he wants the whole agreement scrapped so using that as a scare tactic.
The sum under dispute is hard to calculate precisely, as it is made up of several funding commitments, but amounts to between €200 million and €300 million, U.K. officials estimate.
The British position is that the U.K. should not be liable to pay any commitments that stem from post-Brexit changes to the EU's Multiannual Financial Framework (MFF) regulations — and nor should it benefit from such funding. About a third of the U.K.'s overall commitment to the coronavirus fund is not under dispute, because British officials consider that it comes under previously agreed "flexibilities" in the MFF regulations."
He is a piece of work that ids |
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"No ian duncan smith said COULD, but he wants the whole agreement scrapped so using that as a scare tactic.
The sum under dispute is hard to calculate precisely, as it is made up of several funding commitments, but amounts to between €200 million and €300 million, U.K. officials estimate.
The British position is that the U.K. should not be liable to pay any commitments that stem from post-Brexit changes to the EU's Multiannual Financial Framework (MFF) regulations — and nor should it benefit from such funding. About a third of the U.K.'s overall commitment to the coronavirus fund is not under dispute, because British officials consider that it comes under previously agreed "flexibilities" in the MFF regulations."
And do you not think it would have been better to make sure that there was no ambiguity as to what liability for any debt incurred by EU during the transition period? There is absolutely no reason why these issues couldn't have be sorted out properly and clearly in the Withdrawal Agreement and would have been if the government had put it's emphasis and effort into getting a good agreement rather than putting it's emphasis in effort into getting any agreement, just as long as they could say they had an agreement, by a totally arbitrary date.
And it looks like they're going to make the same sort of mistakes again with the future trading agreement too. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"No ian duncan smith said COULD, but he wants the whole agreement scrapped so using that as a scare tactic.
The sum under dispute is hard to calculate precisely, as it is made up of several funding commitments, but amounts to between €200 million and €300 million, U.K. officials estimate.
The British position is that the U.K. should not be liable to pay any commitments that stem from post-Brexit changes to the EU's Multiannual Financial Framework (MFF) regulations — and nor should it benefit from such funding. About a third of the U.K.'s overall commitment to the coronavirus fund is not under dispute, because British officials consider that it comes under previously agreed "flexibilities" in the MFF regulations.
And do you not think it would have been better to make sure that there was no ambiguity as to what liability for any debt incurred by EU during the transition period? There is absolutely no reason why these issues couldn't have be sorted out properly and clearly in the Withdrawal Agreement and would have been if the government had put it's emphasis and effort into getting a good agreement rather than putting it's emphasis in effort into getting any agreement, just as long as they could say they had an agreement, by a totally arbitrary date.
And it looks like they're going to make the same sort of mistakes again with the future trading agreement too."
To get a new agreement they would have had to extend leaving the eu which would have made the uk even worse off.By leaving 31/12/19 the uk is no liable to the new eu budget which would have locked us into paying into it (which is exactly what the eu was trying to do) and also dodged a bullet as not having to contribute to the eu recovery fund. |
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Sadly this shows how the UK is at the moment, split and will never come back. It's like Scotland and independence, something that sits there but if its talked about well I've seen fist fights over it. My family just don't talk anymore and that's all we can do |
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"Sadly this shows how the UK is at the moment, split and will never come back. It's like Scotland and independence, something that sits there but if its talked about well I've seen fist fights over it. My family just don't talk anymore and that's all we can do "
doesn’t that say a lot about your family tho ?
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"No it's with friends too. It's like agreeing white is black and black is white. There are no grey areas. I still see the odd flair up in pubs in southampton over brexit, it's like hitting a nerve "
I was right about the south then lol well iv never seen or heard of a fight about brexit it’s just embarrassing we tend to go out to enjoy ourselves and leave our worries behind us up here I guess lol
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"So long as your happy xxx "
thank you for shareing that about your family it can’t of been easy I’d be happier if ppl grew up and respected the fact that in a country of 65 miliinish that ppl have different opinions and that’s a good thing where would we be if we all thought the same North Korea ? Lol
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"This difference is fundamental though. It takes to the heart what you are as a person. As I said can never be resolved but again so long as your happy "
so what is a leave person then ? This will be good I bet lol
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By *ertwoCouple
over a year ago
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"The BREXIT Divorce Bill, which we were told would be about £40 billion, turns out to actually have been about £160 billion.
But it's even worse than that. In their rush to leave by a totally arbitrary date Johnson's withdrawal agreement ment we left on 31 January 2020 but continued are commitments, with no say, until 31 December 2020 and this commitment includes our 12% share of any EU debt incurred up to 31 December 2020. With the current grants and loans being given out by the EU in it's Covid Recovery Fund (which we are not entitled to) that divorce settlement figure of £160 billion is likely to at least double.
Isn't it about time we stopped rushing for the quickest BREXIT possible and all started working for the best BREXIT possible. It was our rush to leave, regardless of how good or bad the withdrawal agreement we had was, by a set date that has lead to our actual divorce settlement being in the order of 10 times bigger than the £40 billion expected. Why do we have to make the same mistake again with the end of the translation period. If we're going to do BREXIT let's at least, going forward from here, do it well and make sure any deal the government does get is scrutinised properly to make sure the deal they think they've negotiated is actually the deal they've got and doesn't leave us in a situation where we have almost unlimited liabilities but with no say at all."
WHAT RUSH if it had been any slower we would never have got free.But there is a more important point Gov.uk web site tells us how we will trade after brexit with the Irish Republic and the rest of the EU but does not tell us in Northern Ireland how we will be trading with our main supply route from England.
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"No ian duncan smith said COULD, but he wants the whole agreement scrapped so using that as a scare tactic.
The sum under dispute is hard to calculate precisely, as it is made up of several funding commitments, but amounts to between €200 million and €300 million, U.K. officials estimate.
The British position is that the U.K. should not be liable to pay any commitments that stem from post-Brexit changes to the EU's Multiannual Financial Framework (MFF) regulations — and nor should it benefit from such funding. About a third of the U.K.'s overall commitment to the coronavirus fund is not under dispute, because British officials consider that it comes under previously agreed "flexibilities" in the MFF regulations.
And do you not think it would have been better to make sure that there was no ambiguity as to what liability for any debt incurred by EU during the transition period? There is absolutely no reason why these issues couldn't have be sorted out properly and clearly in the Withdrawal Agreement and would have been if the government had put it's emphasis and effort into getting a good agreement rather than putting it's emphasis in effort into getting any agreement, just as long as they could say they had an agreement, by a totally arbitrary date.
And it looks like they're going to make the same sort of mistakes again with the future trading agreement too.To get a new agreement they would have had to extend leaving the eu which would have made the uk even worse off.By leaving 31/12/19 the uk is no liable to the new eu budget which would have locked us into paying into it (which is exactly what the eu was trying to do) and also dodged a bullet as not having to contribute to the eu recovery fund."
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"No ian duncan smith said COULD, but he wants the whole agreement scrapped so using that as a scare tactic.
The sum under dispute is hard to calculate precisely, as it is made up of several funding commitments, but amounts to between €200 million and €300 million, U.K. officials estimate.
The British position is that the U.K. should not be liable to pay any commitments that stem from post-Brexit changes to the EU's Multiannual Financial Framework (MFF) regulations — and nor should it benefit from such funding. About a third of the U.K.'s overall commitment to the coronavirus fund is not under dispute, because British officials consider that it comes under previously agreed "flexibilities" in the MFF regulations.
And do you not think it would have been better to make sure that there was no ambiguity as to what liability for any debt incurred by EU during the transition period? There is absolutely no reason why these issues couldn't have be sorted out properly and clearly in the Withdrawal Agreement and would have been if the government had put it's emphasis and effort into getting a good agreement rather than putting it's emphasis in effort into getting any agreement, just as long as they could say they had an agreement, by a totally arbitrary date.
And it looks like they're going to make the same sort of mistakes again with the future trading agreement too.To get a new agreement they would have had to extend leaving the eu which would have made the uk even worse off.By leaving 31/12/19 the uk is no liable to the new eu budget which would have locked us into paying into it (which is exactly what the eu was trying to do) and also dodged a bullet as not having to contribute to the eu recovery fund.
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Maybe you guys just can't understand simple English when it's written. The whole point of my OP was that WE HAVE NOT DODGED ANY BULLET. WE ARE LIABLE FOR ANY ADDITIONAL DEBT THE EU INCURS BETWEEN NOW AND 31 DEC 2020.
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"Same shit different day ffs
Proving our point completely your on here everyday crying about brexit hats off to ya I duno how you do it lol
Will there be enough funds after Brexit for 80% of the brexiters to help them take back control of their mother tongue? I have plenty of polish and French friends who speak and write in English so much better than you. I wonder if you see the irony and if it causes a bit of shame. "
You forgot to add better educated as well, I worked eastern europeans at an airport, they were working on the ramp but had degrees and god knows what other qualifications as well. |
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