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"In World War 2 the civilian deaths in the UK . due to military activities and crimes against humanity amounted to 67,200 (Wikipedia) . Boris, Hancock and the rest of the Conservative Government are approaching that total in less than a year. Will they be tried for crimes against humanity?" No but you might get put in an asylum | |||
"In World War 2 the civilian deaths in the UK . due to military activities and crimes against humanity amounted to 67,200 (Wikipedia) . Boris, Hancock and the rest of the Conservative Government are approaching that total in less than a year. Will they be tried for crimes against humanity?" . The total being approached is the deaths by Covid-19 or where its mentioned on the death certificate hence the posting in the virus forum before it (this thread) was moved to Politics. | |||
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"In World War 2 the civilian deaths in the UK . due to military activities and crimes against humanity amounted to 67,200 (Wikipedia) . Boris, Hancock and the rest of the Conservative Government are approaching that total in less than a year. Will they be tried for crimes against humanity?" You’ve forgotten to include SNP in Scotland, Labour in Wales and the the Northern Ireland Executive... | |||
"In World War 2 the civilian deaths in the UK . due to military activities and crimes against humanity amounted to 67,200 (Wikipedia) . Boris, Hancock and the rest of the Conservative Government are approaching that total in less than a year. Will they be tried for crimes against humanity?No but you might get put in an asylum" Surely you know that care in the community us the current means..? I mean if you don't know this.. | |||
"In World War 2 the civilian deaths in the UK . due to military activities and crimes against humanity amounted to 67,200 (Wikipedia) . Boris, Hancock and the rest of the Conservative Government are approaching that total in less than a year. Will they be tried for crimes against humanity?" Maybe do a little investigation and you will find that quite a few other countries have high death rates as well. There are a number of other countries where the death rate is higher. With Boris having a near death experience, I think we can be certain he has put politics aside and done what he believes is best for the country and its people. The key issue is that no one knows what is the correct approach to handling the virus. | |||
"In World War 2 the civilian deaths in the UK . due to military activities and crimes against humanity amounted to 67,200 (Wikipedia) . Boris, Hancock and the rest of the Conservative Government are approaching that total in less than a year. Will they be tried for crimes against humanity?" Blair has a huge death count in Iraq. Estimates vary, but over 300,000 civilians is generally accepted. He gets huge wedges of cash for after dinner talks. So no, the current crop of self serving arseholes won't have to answer for any of their incompetence. | |||
"In World War 2 the civilian deaths in the UK . due to military activities and crimes against humanity amounted to 67,200 (Wikipedia) . Boris, Hancock and the rest of the Conservative Government are approaching that total in less than a year. Will they be tried for crimes against humanity? Maybe do a little investigation and you will find that quite a few other countries have high death rates as well. There are a number of other countries where the death rate is higher. With Boris having a near death experience, I think we can be certain he has put politics aside and done what he believes is best for the country and its people. The key issue is that no one knows what is the correct approach to handling the virus. " I would say at the start then yes everyone apart from some countries who knew what was coming and had learned the lessons of SARS etc were learning as they went.. But and today is quite a milestone as it will show Boris has not listened to his scientific advisors properly, he should have gone further after the SEP 21 recommendations from Sage and perhaps we might have had less people on ventilation this last week or so.. | |||
"In World War 2 the civilian deaths in the UK . due to military activities and crimes against humanity amounted to 67,200 (Wikipedia) . Boris, Hancock and the rest of the Conservative Government are approaching that total in less than a year. Will they be tried for crimes against humanity? Maybe do a little investigation and you will find that quite a few other countries have high death rates as well. There are a number of other countries where the death rate is higher. With Boris having a near death experience, I think we can be certain he has put politics aside and done what he believes is best for the country and its people. The key issue is that no one knows what is the correct approach to handling the virus. " Is this a joke post? Why is giving multi million pound contracts to his buddies considered putting politics aside and doing what's best for the country. I don't think even the most hard nosed Tory could say he has the best interest of the country at heart and keep a straight face. | |||
"In World War 2 the civilian deaths in the UK . due to military activities and crimes against humanity amounted to 67,200 (Wikipedia) . Boris, Hancock and the rest of the Conservative Government are approaching that total in less than a year. Will they be tried for crimes against humanity? Maybe do a little investigation and you will find that quite a few other countries have high death rates as well. There are a number of other countries where the death rate is higher. With Boris having a near death experience, I think we can be certain he has put politics aside and done what he believes is best for the country and its people. The key issue is that no one knows what is the correct approach to handling the virus. Is this a joke post? Why is giving multi million pound contracts to his buddies considered putting politics aside and doing what's best for the country. I don't think even the most hard nosed Tory could say he has the best interest of the country at heart and keep a straight face." Maybe you should be a little investigation into all the corporate governance procedures within the civil service ( who in any event are entirely independent of the government ) | |||
"In World War 2 the civilian deaths in the UK . due to military activities and crimes against humanity amounted to 67,200 (Wikipedia) . Boris, Hancock and the rest of the Conservative Government are approaching that total in less than a year. Will they be tried for crimes against humanity? Maybe do a little investigation and you will find that quite a few other countries have high death rates as well. There are a number of other countries where the death rate is higher. With Boris having a near death experience, I think we can be certain he has put politics aside and done what he believes is best for the country and its people. The key issue is that no one knows what is the correct approach to handling the virus. I would say at the start then yes everyone apart from some countries who knew what was coming and had learned the lessons of SARS etc were learning as they went.. But and today is quite a milestone as it will show Boris has not listened to his scientific advisors properly, he should have gone further after the SEP 21 recommendations from Sage and perhaps we might have had less people on ventilation this last week or so.." France had nearly twice the cases we have despite we are testing twice the numbers, Germany has a few less cases and are testing far less, are you saying they have ignored the advice from their experts too ? | |||
"In World War 2 the civilian deaths in the UK . due to military activities and crimes against humanity amounted to 67,200 (Wikipedia) . Boris, Hancock and the rest of the Conservative Government are approaching that total in less than a year. Will they be tried for crimes against humanity? Maybe do a little investigation and you will find that quite a few other countries have high death rates as well. There are a number of other countries where the death rate is higher. With Boris having a near death experience, I think we can be certain he has put politics aside and done what he believes is best for the country and its people. The key issue is that no one knows what is the correct approach to handling the virus. Is this a joke post? Why is giving multi million pound contracts to his buddies considered putting politics aside and doing what's best for the country. I don't think even the most hard nosed Tory could say he has the best interest of the country at heart and keep a straight face. Maybe you should be a little investigation into all the corporate governance procedures within the civil service ( who in any event are entirely independent of the government ) " Interesting. So any idea why these aren't working or being adhered to? | |||
"In World War 2 the civilian deaths in the UK . due to military activities and crimes against humanity amounted to 67,200 (Wikipedia) . Boris, Hancock and the rest of the Conservative Government are approaching that total in less than a year. Will they be tried for crimes against humanity? Maybe do a little investigation and you will find that quite a few other countries have high death rates as well. There are a number of other countries where the death rate is higher. With Boris having a near death experience, I think we can be certain he has put politics aside and done what he believes is best for the country and its people. The key issue is that no one knows what is the correct approach to handling the virus. I would say at the start then yes everyone apart from some countries who knew what was coming and had learned the lessons of SARS etc were learning as they went.. But and today is quite a milestone as it will show Boris has not listened to his scientific advisors properly, he should have gone further after the SEP 21 recommendations from Sage and perhaps we might have had less people on ventilation this last week or so.." .However other people are of the opinion that he has spent to much time listening to Sage and not taking into account other factors such as the long term economic damage or deaths from other diseases such as cancer due to cancellation of hospital appointments. There is an excellent article in the national press today written by a former chief scientist at Pfizer . He has no confidence in Sage . They are wrong on three key factors as listed below 1 . Majority of the population is susceptible . 2. Only 7 % infected so far 3. Virus death rate is 1 % . It would appear that the mortality rate is about 0.2 % , 33.5 % of the population are already infected . Only 26.5 % of the population are actually susceptible to being infected. Like the author of the article, I will not be paying too much attention to Sage. | |||
"In World War 2 the civilian deaths in the UK . due to military activities and crimes against humanity amounted to 67,200 (Wikipedia) . Boris, Hancock and the rest of the Conservative Government are approaching that total in less than a year. Will they be tried for crimes against humanity?" have a day off will you | |||
"In World War 2 the civilian deaths in the UK . due to military activities and crimes against humanity amounted to 67,200 (Wikipedia) . Boris, Hancock and the rest of the Conservative Government are approaching that total in less than a year. Will they be tried for crimes against humanity? Maybe do a little investigation and you will find that quite a few other countries have high death rates as well. There are a number of other countries where the death rate is higher. With Boris having a near death experience, I think we can be certain he has put politics aside and done what he believes is best for the country and its people. The key issue is that no one knows what is the correct approach to handling the virus. I would say at the start then yes everyone apart from some countries who knew what was coming and had learned the lessons of SARS etc were learning as they went.. But and today is quite a milestone as it will show Boris has not listened to his scientific advisors properly, he should have gone further after the SEP 21 recommendations from Sage and perhaps we might have had less people on ventilation this last week or so.. .However other people are of the opinion that he has spent to much time listening to Sage and not taking into account other factors such as the long term economic damage or deaths from other diseases such as cancer due to cancellation of hospital appointments. There is an excellent article in the national press today written by a former chief scientist at Pfizer . He has no confidence in Sage . They are wrong on three key factors as listed below 1 . Majority of the population is susceptible . 2. Only 7 % infected so far 3. Virus death rate is 1 % . It would appear that the mortality rate is about 0.2 % , 33.5 % of the population are already infected . Only 26.5 % of the population are actually susceptible to being infected. Like the author of the article, I will not be paying too much attention to Sage. " So you are prepared to ignore the guidance of a number of qualified people you don't know, with the absolute conviction that they are wrong, in favour of another persons opinion, who you don't know but because they give you better sounding figures, they absolutely must be right? | |||
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"In World War 2 the civilian deaths in the UK . due to military activities and crimes against humanity amounted to 67,200 (Wikipedia) . Boris, Hancock and the rest of the Conservative Government are approaching that total in less than a year. Will they be tried for crimes against humanity? Maybe do a little investigation and you will find that quite a few other countries have high death rates as well. There are a number of other countries where the death rate is higher. With Boris having a near death experience, I think we can be certain he has put politics aside and done what he believes is best for the country and its people. The key issue is that no one knows what is the correct approach to handling the virus. I would say at the start then yes everyone apart from some countries who knew what was coming and had learned the lessons of SARS etc were learning as they went.. But and today is quite a milestone as it will show Boris has not listened to his scientific advisors properly, he should have gone further after the SEP 21 recommendations from Sage and perhaps we might have had less people on ventilation this last week or so.. .However other people are of the opinion that he has spent to much time listening to Sage and not taking into account other factors such as the long term economic damage or deaths from other diseases such as cancer due to cancellation of hospital appointments. There is an excellent article in the national press today written by a former chief scientist at Pfizer . He has no confidence in Sage . They are wrong on three key factors as listed below 1 . Majority of the population is susceptible . 2. Only 7 % infected so far 3. Virus death rate is 1 % . It would appear that the mortality rate is about 0.2 % , 33.5 % of the population are already infected . Only 26.5 % of the population are actually susceptible to being infected. Like the author of the article, I will not be paying too much attention to Sage. So you are prepared to ignore the guidance of a number of qualified people you don't know, with the absolute conviction that they are wrong, in favour of another persons opinion, who you don't know but because they give you better sounding figures, they absolutely must be right?" SSage are only one group of scientists. There are lots of other scientists whose opinions are different to Sage. The Great Barrington Declaration was signed by more than 44000 scientists , public health experts and clinicians. | |||
"In World War 2 the civilian deaths in the UK . due to military activities and crimes against humanity amounted to 67,200 (Wikipedia) . Boris, Hancock and the rest of the Conservative Government are approaching that total in less than a year. Will they be tried for crimes against humanity? Maybe do a little investigation and you will find that quite a few other countries have high death rates as well. There are a number of other countries where the death rate is higher. With Boris having a near death experience, I think we can be certain he has put politics aside and done what he believes is best for the country and its people. The key issue is that no one knows what is the correct approach to handling the virus. I would say at the start then yes everyone apart from some countries who knew what was coming and had learned the lessons of SARS etc were learning as they went.. But and today is quite a milestone as it will show Boris has not listened to his scientific advisors properly, he should have gone further after the SEP 21 recommendations from Sage and perhaps we might have had less people on ventilation this last week or so.. .However other people are of the opinion that he has spent to much time listening to Sage and not taking into account other factors such as the long term economic damage or deaths from other diseases such as cancer due to cancellation of hospital appointments. There is an excellent article in the national press today written by a former chief scientist at Pfizer . He has no confidence in Sage . They are wrong on three key factors as listed below 1 . Majority of the population is susceptible . 2. Only 7 % infected so far 3. Virus death rate is 1 % . It would appear that the mortality rate is about 0.2 % , 33.5 % of the population are already infected . Only 26.5 % of the population are actually susceptible to being infected. Like the author of the article, I will not be paying too much attention to Sage. So you are prepared to ignore the guidance of a number of qualified people you don't know, with the absolute conviction that they are wrong, in favour of another persons opinion, who you don't know but because they give you better sounding figures, they absolutely must be right? SSage are only one group of scientists. There are lots of other scientists whose opinions are different to Sage. The Great Barrington Declaration was signed by more than 44000 scientists , public health experts and clinicians. " 8,000 not 44,000. Most of which turned out to have been faked. Plus that whole thing was thoroughly debunked. | |||
"In World War 2 the civilian deaths in the UK . due to military activities and crimes against humanity amounted to 67,200 (Wikipedia) . Boris, Hancock and the rest of the Conservative Government are approaching that total in less than a year. Will they be tried for crimes against humanity? Maybe do a little investigation and you will find that quite a few other countries have high death rates as well. There are a number of other countries where the death rate is higher. With Boris having a near death experience, I think we can be certain he has put politics aside and done what he believes is best for the country and its people. The key issue is that no one knows what is the correct approach to handling the virus. " Absolutely not true!! Compare the European model of containment to that in East Asia and New Zealand. In particular, Taiwan, who are incredibly close to the original outbreak. They.locked down fast, tested fast and proper isolation measures. They have about a third of our population but drastically different outcomes. Deaths from Covid. UK 45,000 Taiwan 7 Cases.of Covid UK 1,000,000 Taiwan 568 Boris and his cronies have put the needs of business and the economy before our health from the beginning. Don't believe it was inevitable that it had to be like this. It didn't. | |||
"In World War 2 the civilian deaths in the UK . due to military activities and crimes against humanity amounted to 67,200 (Wikipedia) . Boris, Hancock and the rest of the Conservative Government are approaching that total in less than a year. Will they be tried for crimes against humanity? Maybe do a little investigation and you will find that quite a few other countries have high death rates as well. There are a number of other countries where the death rate is higher. With Boris having a near death experience, I think we can be certain he has put politics aside and done what he believes is best for the country and its people. The key issue is that no one knows what is the correct approach to handling the virus. I would say at the start then yes everyone apart from some countries who knew what was coming and had learned the lessons of SARS etc were learning as they went.. But and today is quite a milestone as it will show Boris has not listened to his scientific advisors properly, he should have gone further after the SEP 21 recommendations from Sage and perhaps we might have had less people on ventilation this last week or so.. .However other people are of the opinion that he has spent to much time listening to Sage and not taking into account other factors such as the long term economic damage or deaths from other diseases such as cancer due to cancellation of hospital appointments. There is an excellent article in the national press today written by a former chief scientist at Pfizer . He has no confidence in Sage . They are wrong on three key factors as listed below 1 . Majority of the population is susceptible . 2. Only 7 % infected so far 3. Virus death rate is 1 % . It would appear that the mortality rate is about 0.2 % , 33.5 % of the population are already infected . Only 26.5 % of the population are actually susceptible to being infected. Like the author of the article, I will not be paying too much attention to Sage. " They don't care if you personally do or not.. They are however the governments of appointed advisors.. And matey who was high up in Pfizer isn't.. Maybe Boris should get rid or actually listen to what they say.. | |||
"In World War 2 the civilian deaths in the UK . due to military activities and crimes against humanity amounted to 67,200 (Wikipedia) . Boris, Hancock and the rest of the Conservative Government are approaching that total in less than a year. Will they be tried for crimes against humanity? Maybe do a little investigation and you will find that quite a few other countries have high death rates as well. There are a number of other countries where the death rate is higher. With Boris having a near death experience, I think we can be certain he has put politics aside and done what he believes is best for the country and its people. The key issue is that no one knows what is the correct approach to handling the virus. I would say at the start then yes everyone apart from some countries who knew what was coming and had learned the lessons of SARS etc were learning as they went.. But and today is quite a milestone as it will show Boris has not listened to his scientific advisors properly, he should have gone further after the SEP 21 recommendations from Sage and perhaps we might have had less people on ventilation this last week or so.. France had nearly twice the cases we have despite we are testing twice the numbers, Germany has a few less cases and are testing far less, are you saying they have ignored the advice from their experts too ? " Germany tested far earlier and in greater numbers at the outbreak so could identify where the virus was worse and attack that area. They had a much better built in testing regime plus a far more co-operative better educated population. | |||
"In World War 2 the civilian deaths in the UK . due to military activities and crimes against humanity amounted to 67,200 (Wikipedia) . Boris, Hancock and the rest of the Conservative Government are approaching that total in less than a year. Will they be tried for crimes against humanity? Maybe do a little investigation and you will find that quite a few other countries have high death rates as well. There are a number of other countries where the death rate is higher. With Boris having a near death experience, I think we can be certain he has put politics aside and done what he believes is best for the country and its people. The key issue is that no one knows what is the correct approach to handling the virus. I would say at the start then yes everyone apart from some countries who knew what was coming and had learned the lessons of SARS etc were learning as they went.. But and today is quite a milestone as it will show Boris has not listened to his scientific advisors properly, he should have gone further after the SEP 21 recommendations from Sage and perhaps we might have had less people on ventilation this last week or so.. France had nearly twice the cases we have despite we are testing twice the numbers, Germany has a few less cases and are testing far less, are you saying they have ignored the advice from their experts too ? Germany tested far earlier and in greater numbers at the outbreak so could identify where the virus was worse and attack that area. They had a much better built in testing regime plus a far more co-operative better educated population. " I'm not talking about what happened in March that's gone, its what's happening now, both the countries mentioned are testing far less than we are now, yet in France's case have many more positives yet only shut down this week after having some local restrictions, if our government have ignored the sage advice what advice were Germany and france getting about shutting or not shutting down earlier ? It seems that some here just want to blame the government here regardless of the facts | |||
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"In World War 2 the civilian deaths in the UK . due to military activities and crimes against humanity amounted to 67,200 (Wikipedia) . Boris, Hancock and the rest of the Conservative Government are approaching that total in less than a year. Will they be tried for crimes against humanity? Maybe do a little investigation and you will find that quite a few other countries have high death rates as well. There are a number of other countries where the death rate is higher. With Boris having a near death experience, I think we can be certain he has put politics aside and done what he believes is best for the country and its people. The key issue is that no one knows what is the correct approach to handling the virus. " Firstly the only person describing it as a near death experience is you. Second if you think BoZo Johnson has put aside politics then I would politely suggest you take more water with it. BoZo Johnson is doing, and always has done, what's best for BoZo Johnson. And lastly a lot of people know how to handle a pandemic, it's been extensively gamed and tested both in the UK and abroad. | |||
"Comparisons with other countries who are having to lockdown and asking how they have been acting in relation to their advisors to deflect from this Prime Ministers decision to not follow the advice of Sage in September is perhaps relevant if we are looking at how Europe are doing and have done.. Then again in ignoring the low fatality rate of say Germany it looks like selective deflection.. Fact is he is our prime minister so it's his performance here that's relevant.. No one is saying it's all the governments fault but pretending they haven't made mistakes doesn't wash.. And no one's saying this is not a massively big issue, unprecedented etc yes with huge decisions to be taken on the balance of health/economy.. It's pretty much accepted we locked down too late initially so lessons should have been learnt and yes they thought the tier system was a way of doing it despite the fact that areas had already been doing the tier system in all but name with rising case numbers for months but history is a fickle master and it will be the case that had he listened to Sage in September we might not be where we are now.. The devolved administrations look to have acted in time although too early to say how effective and whether they need to extend.." When the first lockdown happened many wanted to compare the speed at which other european countries went into it compared to the uk, now because we have acted at lower case numbers than those other countries they arent so keen to compare, people cant have it both ways, either dont compare at all,(which I prefer as every country is different) or compare all the time. | |||
"In World War 2 the civilian deaths in the UK . due to military activities and crimes against humanity amounted to 67,200 (Wikipedia) . Boris, Hancock and the rest of the Conservative Government are approaching that total in less than a year. Will they be tried for crimes against humanity? Maybe do a little investigation and you will find that quite a few other countries have high death rates as well. There are a number of other countries where the death rate is higher. With Boris having a near death experience, I think we can be certain he has put politics aside and done what he believes is best for the country and its people. The key issue is that no one knows what is the correct approach to handling the virus. Firstly the only person describing it as a near death experience is you. Second if you think BoZo Johnson has put aside politics then I would politely suggest you take more water with it. BoZo Johnson is doing, and always has done, what's best for BoZo Johnson. And lastly a lot of people know how to handle a pandemic, it's been extensively gamed and tested both in the UK and abroad." Can you point to any country that has dealt with a pandemic before this one ? Planning and playing games about one is a completely different thing to actually doing it for real. If they were so clever why is it running out of control in most countries ? | |||
"In World War 2 the civilian deaths in the UK . due to military activities and crimes against humanity amounted to 67,200 (Wikipedia) . Boris, Hancock and the rest of the Conservative Government are approaching that total in less than a year. Will they be tried for crimes against humanity? Maybe do a little investigation and you will find that quite a few other countries have high death rates as well. There are a number of other countries where the death rate is higher. With Boris having a near death experience, I think we can be certain he has put politics aside and done what he believes is best for the country and its people. The key issue is that no one knows what is the correct approach to handling the virus. Firstly the only person describing it as a near death experience is you. Second if you think BoZo Johnson has put aside politics then I would politely suggest you take more water with it. BoZo Johnson is doing, and always has done, what's best for BoZo Johnson. And lastly a lot of people know how to handle a pandemic, it's been extensively gamed and tested both in the UK and abroad. Can you point to any country that has dealt with a pandemic before this one ? Planning and playing games about one is a completely different thing to actually doing it for real. If they were so clever why is it running out of control in most countries ? " Funny how we compare ourselves to other countries when it suits us. | |||
"In World War 2 the civilian deaths in the UK . due to military activities and crimes against humanity amounted to 67,200 (Wikipedia) . Boris, Hancock and the rest of the Conservative Government are approaching that total in less than a year. Will they be tried for crimes against humanity? Maybe do a little investigation and you will find that quite a few other countries have high death rates as well. There are a number of other countries where the death rate is higher. With Boris having a near death experience, I think we can be certain he has put politics aside and done what he believes is best for the country and its people. The key issue is that no one knows what is the correct approach to handling the virus. Firstly the only person describing it as a near death experience is you. Second if you think BoZo Johnson has put aside politics then I would politely suggest you take more water with it. BoZo Johnson is doing, and always has done, what's best for BoZo Johnson. And lastly a lot of people know how to handle a pandemic, it's been extensively gamed and tested both in the UK and abroad. Can you point to any country that has dealt with a pandemic before this one ? Planning and playing games about one is a completely different thing to actually doing it for real. If they were so clever why is it running out of control in most countries ? " Well China and Korea and other nations had to deal with Sars in 2002 | |||
"Can you point to any country that has dealt with a pandemic before this one?" LOL Can you read history books or use Google? Pitiful stuff. | |||
"In World War 2 the civilian deaths in the UK . due to military activities and crimes against humanity amounted to 67,200 (Wikipedia) . Boris, Hancock and the rest of the Conservative Government are approaching that total in less than a year. Will they be tried for crimes against humanity? Maybe do a little investigation and you will find that quite a few other countries have high death rates as well. There are a number of other countries where the death rate is higher. With Boris having a near death experience, I think we can be certain he has put politics aside and done what he believes is best for the country and its people. The key issue is that no one knows what is the correct approach to handling the virus. Firstly the only person describing it as a near death experience is you. Second if you think BoZo Johnson has put aside politics then I would politely suggest you take more water with it. BoZo Johnson is doing, and always has done, what's best for BoZo Johnson. And lastly a lot of people know how to handle a pandemic, it's been extensively gamed and tested both in the UK and abroad. Can you point to any country that has dealt with a pandemic before this one ? Planning and playing games about one is a completely different thing to actually doing it for real. If they were so clever why is it running out of control in most countries ? Funny how we compare ourselves to other countries when it suits us." And how you do when it suits you, either do it all the time or dont do it at all. Personally I think its pointless, every country is different, they are using different means of counting deaths, have different age ranges, different health status and ethnic make ups, all of which make comparison pointless, but that didnt stop the haters doing it in March. | |||
"In World War 2 the civilian deaths in the UK . due to military activities and crimes against humanity amounted to 67,200 (Wikipedia) . Boris, Hancock and the rest of the Conservative Government are approaching that total in less than a year. Will they be tried for crimes against humanity? Maybe do a little investigation and you will find that quite a few other countries have high death rates as well. There are a number of other countries where the death rate is higher. With Boris having a near death experience, I think we can be certain he has put politics aside and done what he believes is best for the country and its people. The key issue is that no one knows what is the correct approach to handling the virus. I would say at the start then yes everyone apart from some countries who knew what was coming and had learned the lessons of SARS etc were learning as they went.. But and today is quite a milestone as it will show Boris has not listened to his scientific advisors properly, he should have gone further after the SEP 21 recommendations from Sage and perhaps we might have had less people on ventilation this last week or so.. France had nearly twice the cases we have despite we are testing twice the numbers, Germany has a few less cases and are testing far less, are you saying they have ignored the advice from their experts too ? " Since when are we comparing countries? Remember your Tory mates hates comparing us with countries that have fewer deaths! It looks like it’s ok to compare at the moment. We’re in a ‘comparing window’. 
In two months’ time comparing will be unfair and unjustified again I guess... | |||
"In World War 2 the civilian deaths in the UK . due to military activities and crimes against humanity amounted to 67,200 (Wikipedia) . Boris, Hancock and the rest of the Conservative Government are approaching that total in less than a year. Will they be tried for crimes against humanity? Maybe do a little investigation and you will find that quite a few other countries have high death rates as well. There are a number of other countries where the death rate is higher. With Boris having a near death experience, I think we can be certain he has put politics aside and done what he believes is best for the country and its people. The key issue is that no one knows what is the correct approach to handling the virus. Firstly the only person describing it as a near death experience is you. Second if you think BoZo Johnson has put aside politics then I would politely suggest you take more water with it. BoZo Johnson is doing, and always has done, what's best for BoZo Johnson. And lastly a lot of people know how to handle a pandemic, it's been extensively gamed and tested both in the UK and abroad. Can you point to any country that has dealt with a pandemic before this one ? Planning and playing games about one is a completely different thing to actually doing it for real. If they were so clever why is it running out of control in most countries ? Well China and Korea and other nations had to deal with Sars in 2002" SARS killed under 1000, not really in the same league is it | |||
"In World War 2 the civilian deaths in the UK . due to military activities and crimes against humanity amounted to 67,200 (Wikipedia) . Boris, Hancock and the rest of the Conservative Government are approaching that total in less than a year. Will they be tried for crimes against humanity? Maybe do a little investigation and you will find that quite a few other countries have high death rates as well. There are a number of other countries where the death rate is higher. With Boris having a near death experience, I think we can be certain he has put politics aside and done what he believes is best for the country and its people. The key issue is that no one knows what is the correct approach to handling the virus. I would say at the start then yes everyone apart from some countries who knew what was coming and had learned the lessons of SARS etc were learning as they went.. But and today is quite a milestone as it will show Boris has not listened to his scientific advisors properly, he should have gone further after the SEP 21 recommendations from Sage and perhaps we might have had less people on ventilation this last week or so.. France had nearly twice the cases we have despite we are testing twice the numbers, Germany has a few less cases and are testing far less, are you saying they have ignored the advice from their experts too ? Since when are we comparing countries? Remember your Tory mates hates comparing us with countries that have fewer deaths! It looks like it’s ok to compare at the moment. We’re in a ‘comparing window’.
In two months’ time comparing will be unfair and unjustified again I guess... "So either do it all the time or not at all, how many times have you boris haters said germany, france et al were so much better and quicker off the mark now they haven't been you dont want to compare, make your mind up. | |||
"In World War 2 the civilian deaths in the UK . due to military activities and crimes against humanity amounted to 67,200 (Wikipedia) . Boris, Hancock and the rest of the Conservative Government are approaching that total in less than a year. Will they be tried for crimes against humanity? Maybe do a little investigation and you will find that quite a few other countries have high death rates as well. There are a number of other countries where the death rate is higher. With Boris having a near death experience, I think we can be certain he has put politics aside and done what he believes is best for the country and its people. The key issue is that no one knows what is the correct approach to handling the virus. Firstly the only person describing it as a near death experience is you. Second if you think BoZo Johnson has put aside politics then I would politely suggest you take more water with it. BoZo Johnson is doing, and always has done, what's best for BoZo Johnson. And lastly a lot of people know how to handle a pandemic, it's been extensively gamed and tested both in the UK and abroad. Can you point to any country that has dealt with a pandemic before this one ? Planning and playing games about one is a completely different thing to actually doing it for real. If they were so clever why is it running out of control in most countries ? Funny how we compare ourselves to other countries when it suits us. And how you do when it suits you, either do it all the time or dont do it at all. Personally I think its pointless, every country is different, they are using different means of counting deaths, have different age ranges, different health status and ethnic make ups, all of which make comparison pointless, but that didnt stop the haters doing it in March." And yet you have just done it. When European countries were being overrun,the Gmnt would compare us on a daily basis. When we overtook them,this strangely stopped. Now they are struggling, the comparisons are being made again. The simple fact is that from the very beginning,missing cobra meetings,until that farce yesterday (what was it?2 and a half hours late?)the handling of this here,has bordered on criminal. Awaits someone to pop up with wee Nicola | |||
"Can you point to any country that has dealt with a pandemic before this one? LOL Can you read history books or use Google? Pitiful stuff." During the hong kong pandemic over 1 million died OF it not with it that's from a world population less than half what it is now. We just carried on then of course that's not to say covid isnt serious but in those days people kept things in proportion. Nor did the H1N1 one in the early 21st century cause such panic so no I dont see any country having dealt with a pandemic in such a way we have now perhaps its the modelling and computer projections that have caused many of the issues | |||
"In World War 2 the civilian deaths in the UK . due to military activities and crimes against humanity amounted to 67,200 (Wikipedia) . Boris, Hancock and the rest of the Conservative Government are approaching that total in less than a year. Will they be tried for crimes against humanity? Maybe do a little investigation and you will find that quite a few other countries have high death rates as well. There are a number of other countries where the death rate is higher. With Boris having a near death experience, I think we can be certain he has put politics aside and done what he believes is best for the country and its people. The key issue is that no one knows what is the correct approach to handling the virus. Firstly the only person describing it as a near death experience is you. Second if you think BoZo Johnson has put aside politics then I would politely suggest you take more water with it. BoZo Johnson is doing, and always has done, what's best for BoZo Johnson. And lastly a lot of people know how to handle a pandemic, it's been extensively gamed and tested both in the UK and abroad. Can you point to any country that has dealt with a pandemic before this one ? Planning and playing games about one is a completely different thing to actually doing it for real. If they were so clever why is it running out of control in most countries ? Funny how we compare ourselves to other countries when it suits us. And how you do when it suits you, either do it all the time or dont do it at all. Personally I think its pointless, every country is different, they are using different means of counting deaths, have different age ranges, different health status and ethnic make ups, all of which make comparison pointless, but that didnt stop the haters doing it in March. And yet you have just done it. When European countries were being overrun,the Gmnt would compare us on a daily basis. When we overtook them,this strangely stopped. Now they are struggling, the comparisons are being made again. The simple fact is that from the very beginning,missing cobra meetings,until that farce yesterday (what was it?2 and a half hours late?)the handling of this here,has bordered on criminal. Awaits someone to pop up with wee Nicola " I'm not talking about the government comparing I'm talking about the boris haters comparing when it suits them. I have never in the past said we have done better or worse than any other countries, I am saying the french have far more cases from.less testing yet only shut down this week, the point I am making is have the french ignored their expert advice, or the German government? It's not about saying who has been better or worse, all countries and governments have to balance more than just the immediate health impact, each one has different circumstances so each will do things differently, you are so filled with hate you are blind to this very simple fact, have the uk government done things perfectly? In hindsight no but who has | |||
"In World War 2 the civilian deaths in the UK . due to military activities and crimes against humanity amounted to 67,200 (Wikipedia) . Boris, Hancock and the rest of the Conservative Government are approaching that total in less than a year. Will they be tried for crimes against humanity? Maybe do a little investigation and you will find that quite a few other countries have high death rates as well. There are a number of other countries where the death rate is higher. With Boris having a near death experience, I think we can be certain he has put politics aside and done what he believes is best for the country and its people. The key issue is that no one knows what is the correct approach to handling the virus. Firstly the only person describing it as a near death experience is you. Second if you think BoZo Johnson has put aside politics then I would politely suggest you take more water with it. BoZo Johnson is doing, and always has done, what's best for BoZo Johnson. And lastly a lot of people know how to handle a pandemic, it's been extensively gamed and tested both in the UK and abroad. Can you point to any country that has dealt with a pandemic before this one ? Planning and playing games about one is a completely different thing to actually doing it for real. If they were so clever why is it running out of control in most countries ? " It's not running out of control in most countries Japan South Korea Vietnam Thailand Australia New Zealand All those doing very well thanks. The countries that have a functional track and trace system, doing well. This is all on BoZo Johnson. He's giving contracts to cronies. He's getting rid of people who don't agree with him, and placing his faith in a man who clearly felt he could ignore the restrictions placed on the rest of the country. | |||
"In World War 2 the civilian deaths in the UK . due to military activities and crimes against humanity amounted to 67,200 (Wikipedia) . Boris, Hancock and the rest of the Conservative Government are approaching that total in less than a year. Will they be tried for crimes against humanity? Maybe do a little investigation and you will find that quite a few other countries have high death rates as well. There are a number of other countries where the death rate is higher. With Boris having a near death experience, I think we can be certain he has put politics aside and done what he believes is best for the country and its people. The key issue is that no one knows what is the correct approach to handling the virus. Firstly the only person describing it as a near death experience is you. Second if you think BoZo Johnson has put aside politics then I would politely suggest you take more water with it. BoZo Johnson is doing, and always has done, what's best for BoZo Johnson. And lastly a lot of people know how to handle a pandemic, it's been extensively gamed and tested both in the UK and abroad. Can you point to any country that has dealt with a pandemic before this one ? Planning and playing games about one is a completely different thing to actually doing it for real. If they were so clever why is it running out of control in most countries ? Funny how we compare ourselves to other countries when it suits us. And how you do when it suits you, either do it all the time or dont do it at all. Personally I think its pointless, every country is different, they are using different means of counting deaths, have different age ranges, different health status and ethnic make ups, all of which make comparison pointless, but that didnt stop the haters doing it in March." You do like calling people haters, yet no one ever seems to say they hate.. Your rightly critical of other parties when they get things wrong in fact pretty full on over Corbyn during his time yet when others are equally critical of this government you can't seem to accept it.. | |||
"In World War 2 the civilian deaths in the UK . due to military activities and crimes against humanity amounted to 67,200 (Wikipedia) . Boris, Hancock and the rest of the Conservative Government are approaching that total in less than a year. Will they be tried for crimes against humanity? Maybe do a little investigation and you will find that quite a few other countries have high death rates as well. There are a number of other countries where the death rate is higher. With Boris having a near death experience, I think we can be certain he has put politics aside and done what he believes is best for the country and its people. The key issue is that no one knows what is the correct approach to handling the virus. Firstly the only person describing it as a near death experience is you. Second if you think BoZo Johnson has put aside politics then I would politely suggest you take more water with it. BoZo Johnson is doing, and always has done, what's best for BoZo Johnson. And lastly a lot of people know how to handle a pandemic, it's been extensively gamed and tested both in the UK and abroad. Can you point to any country that has dealt with a pandemic before this one ? Planning and playing games about one is a completely different thing to actually doing it for real. If they were so clever why is it running out of control in most countries ? It's not running out of control in most countries Japan South Korea Vietnam Thailand Australia New Zealand All those doing very well thanks. The countries that have a functional track and trace system, doing well. This is all on BoZo Johnson. He's giving contracts to cronies. He's getting rid of people who don't agree with him, and placing his faith in a man who clearly felt he could ignore the restrictions placed on the rest of the country." Try european countries | |||
"In World War 2 the civilian deaths in the UK . due to military activities and crimes against humanity amounted to 67,200 (Wikipedia) . Boris, Hancock and the rest of the Conservative Government are approaching that total in less than a year. Will they be tried for crimes against humanity? Maybe do a little investigation and you will find that quite a few other countries have high death rates as well. There are a number of other countries where the death rate is higher. With Boris having a near death experience, I think we can be certain he has put politics aside and done what he believes is best for the country and its people. The key issue is that no one knows what is the correct approach to handling the virus. Firstly the only person describing it as a near death experience is you. Second if you think BoZo Johnson has put aside politics then I would politely suggest you take more water with it. BoZo Johnson is doing, and always has done, what's best for BoZo Johnson. And lastly a lot of people know how to handle a pandemic, it's been extensively gamed and tested both in the UK and abroad. Can you point to any country that has dealt with a pandemic before this one ? Planning and playing games about one is a completely different thing to actually doing it for real. If they were so clever why is it running out of control in most countries ? It's not running out of control in most countries Japan South Korea Vietnam Thailand Australia New Zealand All those doing very well thanks. The countries that have a functional track and trace system, doing well. This is all on BoZo Johnson. He's giving contracts to cronies. He's getting rid of people who don't agree with him, and placing his faith in a man who clearly felt he could ignore the restrictions placed on the rest of the country. Try european countries" How many and which countries in Europe of a similar size ( please don’t compare apples to grapefruit) have a worse outcome than us, considering that we are two or three weeks behind them? | |||
"In World War 2 the civilian deaths in the UK . due to military activities and crimes against humanity amounted to 67,200 (Wikipedia) . Boris, Hancock and the rest of the Conservative Government are approaching that total in less than a year. Will they be tried for crimes against humanity? Maybe do a little investigation and you will find that quite a few other countries have high death rates as well. There are a number of other countries where the death rate is higher. With Boris having a near death experience, I think we can be certain he has put politics aside and done what he believes is best for the country and its people. The key issue is that no one knows what is the correct approach to handling the virus. Firstly the only person describing it as a near death experience is you. Second if you think BoZo Johnson has put aside politics then I would politely suggest you take more water with it. BoZo Johnson is doing, and always has done, what's best for BoZo Johnson. And lastly a lot of people know how to handle a pandemic, it's been extensively gamed and tested both in the UK and abroad. Can you point to any country that has dealt with a pandemic before this one ? Planning and playing games about one is a completely different thing to actually doing it for real. If they were so clever why is it running out of control in most countries ? Funny how we compare ourselves to other countries when it suits us. And how you do when it suits you, either do it all the time or dont do it at all. Personally I think its pointless, every country is different, they are using different means of counting deaths, have different age ranges, different health status and ethnic make ups, all of which make comparison pointless, but that didnt stop the haters doing it in March. You do like calling people haters, yet no one ever seems to say they hate.. Your rightly critical of other parties when they get things wrong in fact pretty full on over Corbyn during his time yet when others are equally critical of this government you can't seem to accept it.." As far as I know I've said nothing much about corbyn, I even said a long time ago that I wasnt sure that all the flack he took over the Jewish issue was justified but was at times OTT. Plenty of people call Boris a cunt etc is that hate or not ? I have never called a politician I disagree with any names, has the government done everything right of course not but I could win the lottery every week with hindsight. I bet every opposition politician in the world are very grateful they dont have make these decisions, it's so much easier to stand on the side and criticise that goes for the media too. | |||
"In World War 2 the civilian deaths in the UK . due to military activities and crimes against humanity amounted to 67,200 (Wikipedia) . Boris, Hancock and the rest of the Conservative Government are approaching that total in less than a year. Will they be tried for crimes against humanity? Maybe do a little investigation and you will find that quite a few other countries have high death rates as well. There are a number of other countries where the death rate is higher. With Boris having a near death experience, I think we can be certain he has put politics aside and done what he believes is best for the country and its people. The key issue is that no one knows what is the correct approach to handling the virus. Firstly the only person describing it as a near death experience is you. Second if you think BoZo Johnson has put aside politics then I would politely suggest you take more water with it. BoZo Johnson is doing, and always has done, what's best for BoZo Johnson. And lastly a lot of people know how to handle a pandemic, it's been extensively gamed and tested both in the UK and abroad. Can you point to any country that has dealt with a pandemic before this one ? Planning and playing games about one is a completely different thing to actually doing it for real. If they were so clever why is it running out of control in most countries ? Funny how we compare ourselves to other countries when it suits us. And how you do when it suits you, either do it all the time or dont do it at all. Personally I think its pointless, every country is different, they are using different means of counting deaths, have different age ranges, different health status and ethnic make ups, all of which make comparison pointless, but that didnt stop the haters doing it in March. And yet you have just done it. When European countries were being overrun,the Gmnt would compare us on a daily basis. When we overtook them,this strangely stopped. Now they are struggling, the comparisons are being made again. The simple fact is that from the very beginning,missing cobra meetings,until that farce yesterday (what was it?2 and a half hours late?)the handling of this here,has bordered on criminal. Awaits someone to pop up with wee Nicola I'm not talking about the government comparing I'm talking about the boris haters comparing when it suits them. I have never in the past said we have done better or worse than any other countries, I am saying the french have far more cases from.less testing yet only shut down this week, the point I am making is have the french ignored their expert advice, or the German government? It's not about saying who has been better or worse, all countries and governments have to balance more than just the immediate health impact, each one has different circumstances so each will do things differently, you are so filled with hate you are blind to this very simple fact, have the uk government done things perfectly? In hindsight no but who has" France has about the same population as England but is almost three times as big, so far less dense which might explain why they haven’t locked down earlier. They have made masks compulsory in schools since September for pupils ands staff. Despite the fact we are three or four weeks behind them according to Sage, our daily number of deaths has been higher than France for 5 out of the past 7 days. So yes, compare by all means but compare everything. | |||
"In World War 2 the civilian deaths in the UK . due to military activities and crimes against humanity amounted to 67,200 (Wikipedia) . Boris, Hancock and the rest of the Conservative Government are approaching that total in less than a year. Will they be tried for crimes against humanity? Maybe do a little investigation and you will find that quite a few other countries have high death rates as well. There are a number of other countries where the death rate is higher. With Boris having a near death experience, I think we can be certain he has put politics aside and done what he believes is best for the country and its people. The key issue is that no one knows what is the correct approach to handling the virus. Firstly the only person describing it as a near death experience is you. Second if you think BoZo Johnson has put aside politics then I would politely suggest you take more water with it. BoZo Johnson is doing, and always has done, what's best for BoZo Johnson. And lastly a lot of people know how to handle a pandemic, it's been extensively gamed and tested both in the UK and abroad. Can you point to any country that has dealt with a pandemic before this one ? Planning and playing games about one is a completely different thing to actually doing it for real. If they were so clever why is it running out of control in most countries ? Funny how we compare ourselves to other countries when it suits us. And how you do when it suits you, either do it all the time or dont do it at all. Personally I think its pointless, every country is different, they are using different means of counting deaths, have different age ranges, different health status and ethnic make ups, all of which make comparison pointless, but that didnt stop the haters doing it in March. You do like calling people haters, yet no one ever seems to say they hate.. Your rightly critical of other parties when they get things wrong in fact pretty full on over Corbyn during his time yet when others are equally critical of this government you can't seem to accept it.. As far as I know I've said nothing much about corbyn, I even said a long time ago that I wasnt sure that all the flack he took over the Jewish issue was justified but was at times OTT. Plenty of people call Boris a cunt etc is that hate or not ? I have never called a politician I disagree with any names, has the government done everything right of course not but I could win the lottery every week with hindsight. I bet every opposition politician in the world are very grateful they dont have make these decisions, it's so much easier to stand on the side and criticise that goes for the media too." I think you've got a short memory.. And again you totally overlook that people on here have said fair do in relation to the furlough scheme etc .. I think it obvious that we can regardless of our own leanings accept that we are in uncharted waters and for any party it would be testing,it's been said umpteen times.. If we're going to exclude criticism on the basis that we have not all been in the exact position then maybe we should close the forums down? And cancel strictly..   | |||
"In World War 2 the civilian deaths in the UK . due to military activities and crimes against humanity amounted to 67,200 (Wikipedia) . Boris, Hancock and the rest of the Conservative Government are approaching that total in less than a year. Will they be tried for crimes against humanity? Maybe do a little investigation and you will find that quite a few other countries have high death rates as well. There are a number of other countries where the death rate is higher. With Boris having a near death experience, I think we can be certain he has put politics aside and done what he believes is best for the country and its people. The key issue is that no one knows what is the correct approach to handling the virus. Firstly the only person describing it as a near death experience is you. Second if you think BoZo Johnson has put aside politics then I would politely suggest you take more water with it. BoZo Johnson is doing, and always has done, what's best for BoZo Johnson. And lastly a lot of people know how to handle a pandemic, it's been extensively gamed and tested both in the UK and abroad. Can you point to any country that has dealt with a pandemic before this one ? Planning and playing games about one is a completely different thing to actually doing it for real. If they were so clever why is it running out of control in most countries ? It's not running out of control in most countries Japan South Korea Vietnam Thailand Australia New Zealand All those doing very well thanks. The countries that have a functional track and trace system, doing well. This is all on BoZo Johnson. He's giving contracts to cronies. He's getting rid of people who don't agree with him, and placing his faith in a man who clearly felt he could ignore the restrictions placed on the rest of the country. Try european countries How many and which countries in Europe of a similar size ( please don’t compare apples to grapefruit) have a worse outcome than us, considering that we are two or three weeks behind them? " Belgium and spain to name two have a higher death rate per 100,000, as I keep repeating, every country has different issues, we have one of the fattest unfit populations in europe if not the world, that is a high risk factor, we have a larger than average bame population another high risk factor. Comparison is pointless. For the last time the point I'm making atm is we have lower/similar infection rates than both germany and france they have only just locked down again, have their leaders ignored their experts or was that advice different? That is NOT comparing countries its asking why have those two closed down with higher rates but not before, it shows there is more to making these decisions not just the medical one. But you keep hating boris if it makes you feel better I will make my mind up when it's over and can see the stats. | |||
" I bet every opposition politician in the world are very grateful they dont have make these decisions, it's so much easier to stand on the side and criticise that goes for the media too." And on this point we are talking about someone who was so wanting the job, (well he was till Cameron stepped aside and he got his mate Gove to say he was crap and gave him an out) he brought down his predecessor and probably thought only got to bluster the pup that is brexit and ya hoo.. No one dragged him into number ten.. So whilst we probably have no idea of how difficult his position is and it must be stressful etc, he wanted it badly.. | |||
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"In World War 2 the civilian deaths in the UK . due to military activities and crimes against humanity amounted to 67,200 (Wikipedia) . Boris, Hancock and the rest of the Conservative Government are approaching that total in less than a year. Will they be tried for crimes against humanity? Maybe do a little investigation and you will find that quite a few other countries have high death rates as well. There are a number of other countries where the death rate is higher. With Boris having a near death experience, I think we can be certain he has put politics aside and done what he believes is best for the country and its people. The key issue is that no one knows what is the correct approach to handling the virus. Firstly the only person describing it as a near death experience is you. Second if you think BoZo Johnson has put aside politics then I would politely suggest you take more water with it. BoZo Johnson is doing, and always has done, what's best for BoZo Johnson. And lastly a lot of people know how to handle a pandemic, it's been extensively gamed and tested both in the UK and abroad. Can you point to any country that has dealt with a pandemic before this one ? Planning and playing games about one is a completely different thing to actually doing it for real. If they were so clever why is it running out of control in most countries ? It's not running out of control in most countries Japan South Korea Vietnam Thailand Australia New Zealand All those doing very well thanks. The countries that have a functional track and trace system, doing well. This is all on BoZo Johnson. He's giving contracts to cronies. He's getting rid of people who don't agree with him, and placing his faith in a man who clearly felt he could ignore the restrictions placed on the rest of the country. Try european countries How many and which countries in Europe of a similar size ( please don’t compare apples to grapefruit) have a worse outcome than us, considering that we are two or three weeks behind them? Belgium and spain to name two have a higher death rate per 100,000, as I keep repeating, every country has different issues, we have one of the fattest unfit populations in europe if not the world, that is a high risk factor, we have a larger than average bame population another high risk factor. Comparison is pointless. For the last time the point I'm making atm is we have lower/similar infection rates than both germany and france they have only just locked down again, have their leaders ignored their experts or was that advice different? That is NOT comparing countries its asking why have those two closed down with higher rates but not before, it shows there is more to making these decisions not just the medical one. But you keep hating boris if it makes you feel better I will make my mind up when it's over and can see the stats. " There are many ways to look at stats and you choose to look at the ones that suit you. I’ll do the same. We have more than 8000 deaths than Spain despite having a smaller population. We already have more deaths than France everyday despite being two to three weeks behind them., So yes, carry on the propaganda but you’re not fooling anyone. Are you also going to tell us that the app debacle and its 12 billion price tag was a success? FYI, everybody ( including the scientists) except our Tory experts say that the app and the track and trace system is a fiasco. Take your blue blinkers off and try to look at the situation with a minimum of intellectual honesty. | |||
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"I’ll correct my point about Spain. We have a bigger population than Spain and 11000 more deaths than them. Also people would probably not make comparisons if the gvt hadn’t made them at the start of all this with their slides and if Broris wasn’t obsessed with his world beating crap. We’re only world beating in stupid rhetoric and populism. " Good graph good.. Bad graph..drop it from sight.. | |||
"In World War 2 the civilian deaths in the UK . due to military activities and crimes against humanity amounted to 67,200 (Wikipedia) . Boris, Hancock and the rest of the Conservative Government are approaching that total in less than a year. Will they be tried for crimes against humanity?" There should definitely be an investigation. I was under the impression Covid 19 was the killer...... I'm shocked. Truly shocked. E | |||
"In World War 2 the civilian deaths in the UK . due to military activities and crimes against humanity amounted to 67,200 (Wikipedia) . Boris, Hancock and the rest of the Conservative Government are approaching that total in less than a year. Will they be tried for crimes against humanity? Maybe do a little investigation and you will find that quite a few other countries have high death rates as well. There are a number of other countries where the death rate is higher. With Boris having a near death experience, I think we can be certain he has put politics aside and done what he believes is best for the country and its people. The key issue is that no one knows what is the correct approach to handling the virus. I would say at the start then yes everyone apart from some countries who knew what was coming and had learned the lessons of SARS etc were learning as they went.. But and today is quite a milestone as it will show Boris has not listened to his scientific advisors properly, he should have gone further after the SEP 21 recommendations from Sage and perhaps we might have had less people on ventilation this last week or so.. France had nearly twice the cases we have despite we are testing twice the numbers, Germany has a few less cases and are testing far less, are you saying they have ignored the advice from their experts too ? Germany tested far earlier and in greater numbers at the outbreak so could identify where the virus was worse and attack that area. They had a much better built in testing regime plus a far more co-operative better educated population. I'm not talking about what happened in March that's gone, its what's happening now, both the countries mentioned are testing far less than we are now, yet in France's case have many more positives yet only shut down this week after having some local restrictions, if our government have ignored the sage advice what advice were Germany and france getting about shutting or not shutting down earlier ? It seems that some here just want to blame the government here regardless of the facts" The number of hospital beds in the U.K. has halved in 30 years. The number of critical beds in the U.K. is less than a quarter of Germany. A little known fact is Germany took patients from a Italy and a France at the height of the pandemic earlier this year as they had so much spare capacity. They opened critical care to patience as soon as they were ill not critically ill and so the outcomes were more favourable. Basically a better care system earlier ensured less deaths. They also didn’t send sick people into care homes. The Germans will do better again as their healthcare is far better than ours. They isolated infections quicker and will do again. One more fact they were testing more when they needed to not like us months behind and I’m sure they can turn that up again. We are never going to compete with Germany but Boris fighting the lockdown again will cause more deaths in the U.K. than should be happening. | |||
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"In World War 2 the civilian deaths in the UK . due to military activities and crimes against humanity amounted to 67,200 (Wikipedia) . Boris, Hancock and the rest of the Conservative Government are approaching that total in less than a year. Will they be tried for crimes against humanity? Maybe do a little investigation and you will find that quite a few other countries have high death rates as well. There are a number of other countries where the death rate is higher. With Boris having a near death experience, I think we can be certain he has put politics aside and done what he believes is best for the country and its people. The key issue is that no one knows what is the correct approach to handling the virus. Firstly the only person describing it as a near death experience is you. Second if you think BoZo Johnson has put aside politics then I would politely suggest you take more water with it. BoZo Johnson is doing, and always has done, what's best for BoZo Johnson. And lastly a lot of people know how to handle a pandemic, it's been extensively gamed and tested both in the UK and abroad. Can you point to any country that has dealt with a pandemic before this one ? Planning and playing games about one is a completely different thing to actually doing it for real. If they were so clever why is it running out of control in most countries ? Funny how we compare ourselves to other countries when it suits us. And how you do when it suits you, either do it all the time or dont do it at all. Personally I think its pointless, every country is different, they are using different means of counting deaths, have different age ranges, different health status and ethnic make ups, all of which make comparison pointless, but that didnt stop the haters doing it in March. And yet you have just done it. When European countries were being overrun,the Gmnt would compare us on a daily basis. When we overtook them,this strangely stopped. Now they are struggling, the comparisons are being made again. The simple fact is that from the very beginning,missing cobra meetings,until that farce yesterday (what was it?2 and a half hours late?)the handling of this here,has bordered on criminal. Awaits someone to pop up with wee Nicola I'm not talking about the government comparing I'm talking about the boris haters comparing when it suits them. I have never in the past said we have done better or worse than any other countries, I am saying the french have far more cases from.less testing yet only shut down this week, the point I am making is have the french ignored their expert advice, or the German government? It's not about saying who has been better or worse, all countries and governments have to balance more than just the immediate health impact, each one has different circumstances so each will do things differently, you are so filled with hate you are blind to this very simple fact, have the uk government done things perfectly? In hindsight no but who has" Ok ..let's ignore other countries. Give me 3 examples of positives from our glorious leader during the pandemic.? | |||
"So essentially those supporting the current Governments handling of the crisis believe they should not be answerable for the deaths because other countries are in a similar situation and that if we had a different Government here (Labour) it may have been worse?" Apparently so. | |||
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"In World War 2 the civilian deaths in the UK . due to military activities and crimes against humanity amounted to 67,200 (Wikipedia) . Boris, Hancock and the rest of the Conservative Government are approaching that total in less than a year. Will they be tried for crimes against humanity? Maybe do a little investigation and you will find that quite a few other countries have high death rates as well. There are a number of other countries where the death rate is higher. With Boris having a near death experience, I think we can be certain he has put politics aside and done what he believes is best for the country and its people. The key issue is that no one knows what is the correct approach to handling the virus. Firstly the only person describing it as a near death experience is you. Second if you think BoZo Johnson has put aside politics then I would politely suggest you take more water with it. BoZo Johnson is doing, and always has done, what's best for BoZo Johnson. And lastly a lot of people know how to handle a pandemic, it's been extensively gamed and tested both in the UK and abroad. Can you point to any country that has dealt with a pandemic before this one ? Planning and playing games about one is a completely different thing to actually doing it for real. If they were so clever why is it running out of control in most countries ? Funny how we compare ourselves to other countries when it suits us. And how you do when it suits you, either do it all the time or dont do it at all. Personally I think its pointless, every country is different, they are using different means of counting deaths, have different age ranges, different health status and ethnic make ups, all of which make comparison pointless, but that didnt stop the haters doing it in March. And yet you have just done it. When European countries were being overrun,the Gmnt would compare us on a daily basis. When we overtook them,this strangely stopped. Now they are struggling, the comparisons are being made again. The simple fact is that from the very beginning,missing cobra meetings,until that farce yesterday (what was it?2 and a half hours late?)the handling of this here,has bordered on criminal. Awaits someone to pop up with wee Nicola I'm not talking about the government comparing I'm talking about the boris haters comparing when it suits them. I have never in the past said we have done better or worse than any other countries, I am saying the french have far more cases from.less testing yet only shut down this week, the point I am making is have the french ignored their expert advice, or the German government? It's not about saying who has been better or worse, all countries and governments have to balance more than just the immediate health impact, each one has different circumstances so each will do things differently, you are so filled with hate you are blind to this very simple fact, have the uk government done things perfectly? In hindsight no but who has Ok ..let's ignore other countries. Give me 3 examples of positives from our glorious leader during the pandemic.?" Clarity Unflappable Never-failing Transparency Can also be read downwards. | |||
"In World War 2 the civilian deaths in the UK . due to military activities and crimes against humanity amounted to 67,200 (Wikipedia) . Boris, Hancock and the rest of the Conservative Government are approaching that total in less than a year. Will they be tried for crimes against humanity? Maybe do a little investigation and you will find that quite a few other countries have high death rates as well. There are a number of other countries where the death rate is higher. With Boris having a near death experience, I think we can be certain he has put politics aside and done what he believes is best for the country and its people. The key issue is that no one knows what is the correct approach to handling the virus. Firstly the only person describing it as a near death experience is you. Second if you think BoZo Johnson has put aside politics then I would politely suggest you take more water with it. BoZo Johnson is doing, and always has done, what's best for BoZo Johnson. And lastly a lot of people know how to handle a pandemic, it's been extensively gamed and tested both in the UK and abroad. Can you point to any country that has dealt with a pandemic before this one ? Planning and playing games about one is a completely different thing to actually doing it for real. If they were so clever why is it running out of control in most countries ? Funny how we compare ourselves to other countries when it suits us. And how you do when it suits you, either do it all the time or dont do it at all. Personally I think its pointless, every country is different, they are using different means of counting deaths, have different age ranges, different health status and ethnic make ups, all of which make comparison pointless, but that didnt stop the haters doing it in March. And yet you have just done it. When European countries were being overrun,the Gmnt would compare us on a daily basis. When we overtook them,this strangely stopped. Now they are struggling, the comparisons are being made again. The simple fact is that from the very beginning,missing cobra meetings,until that farce yesterday (what was it?2 and a half hours late?)the handling of this here,has bordered on criminal. Awaits someone to pop up with wee Nicola I'm not talking about the government comparing I'm talking about the boris haters comparing when it suits them. I have never in the past said we have done better or worse than any other countries, I am saying the french have far more cases from.less testing yet only shut down this week, the point I am making is have the french ignored their expert advice, or the German government? It's not about saying who has been better or worse, all countries and governments have to balance more than just the immediate health impact, each one has different circumstances so each will do things differently, you are so filled with hate you are blind to this very simple fact, have the uk government done things perfectly? In hindsight no but who has Ok ..let's ignore other countries. Give me 3 examples of positives from our glorious leader during the pandemic.? Clarity Unflappable Never-failing Transparency Can also be read downwards." | |||
"I’ll correct my point about Spain. We have a bigger population than Spain and 11000 more deaths than them. Also people would probably not make comparisons if the gvt hadn’t made them at the start of all this with their slides and if Broris wasn’t obsessed with his world beating crap. We’re only world beating in stupid rhetoric and populism. " So you are now admitting that both spsin and Belgium have higher death rates per 100,000 than the UK at least thats progress. Is it good we have had do many deaths ? Of course it isnt but as I keep saying making comparisons is very hard, it's the boris haters who keep saying how shit we have handled it and like to point to others who they claim to have done it better, have they ? No one knows and probably no one will ever be able to.prove it one way or the other, far too many variables | |||
"I’ll correct my point about Spain. We have a bigger population than Spain and 11000 more deaths than them. Also people would probably not make comparisons if the gvt hadn’t made them at the start of all this with their slides and if Broris wasn’t obsessed with his world beating crap. We’re only world beating in stupid rhetoric and populism. So you are now admitting that both spsin and Belgium have higher death rates per 100,000 than the UK at least thats progress. Is it good we have had do many deaths ? Of course it isnt but as I keep saying making comparisons is very hard, it's the boris haters who keep saying how shit we have handled it and like to point to others who they claim to have done it better, have they ? No one knows and probably no one will ever be able to.prove it one way or the other, far too many variables " Yes we have handled this situation in a shit way as we had more time than Spain or other continental countries to prepare ourselves. With a gvt telling us that we are better than anyone else, it is pretty pathetic to have only two countries having done slightly worse than us. By closing airports and with more controls and quarantine we should have done better. Nothing on France or Germany? These countries don’t interest you in your comparisons? They are the countries which are comparable to us economically speaking. They are in the league as us pretty much but obviously they have better public services and hospitals than us. They also have fewer social disparities and the gap between the rich and the poor in these countries is not as wide which means we have much more deprivation here. This doesn’t help at all in a pandemic. | |||
"I’ll correct my point about Spain. We have a bigger population than Spain and 11000 more deaths than them. Also people would probably not make comparisons if the gvt hadn’t made them at the start of all this with their slides and if Broris wasn’t obsessed with his world beating crap. We’re only world beating in stupid rhetoric and populism. So you are now admitting that both spsin and Belgium have higher death rates per 100,000 than the UK at least thats progress. Is it good we have had do many deaths ? Of course it isnt but as I keep saying making comparisons is very hard, it's the boris haters who keep saying how shit we have handled it and like to point to others who they claim to have done it better, have they ? No one knows and probably no one will ever be able to.prove it one way or the other, far too many variables Yes we have handled this situation in a shit way as we had more time than Spain or other continental countries to prepare ourselves. With a gvt telling us that we are better than anyone else, it is pretty pathetic to have only two countries having done slightly worse than us. By closing airports and with more controls and quarantine we should have done better. Nothing on France or Germany? These countries don’t interest you in your comparisons? They are the countries which are comparable to us economically speaking. They are in the league as us pretty much but obviously they have better public services and hospitals than us. They also have fewer social disparities and the gap between the rich and the poor in these countries is not as wide which means we have much more deprivation here. This doesn’t help at all in a pandemic. " The problem with your point about the time we had to prepare is not correct, if you look at the time from first case in certainly France,Spain and the uk the time to lockdown were just a few days different, as I keep saying countries are measuring deaths in different ways, they have different age profiles, ethnic percentages etc etc, all you want to do is blame the UK government, carry on if it makes you happy. | |||
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"I’ll correct my point about Spain. We have a bigger population than Spain and 11000 more deaths than them. Also people would probably not make comparisons if the gvt hadn’t made them at the start of all this with their slides and if Broris wasn’t obsessed with his world beating crap. We’re only world beating in stupid rhetoric and populism. So you are now admitting that both spsin and Belgium have higher death rates per 100,000 than the UK at least thats progress. Is it good we have had do many deaths ? Of course it isnt but as I keep saying making comparisons is very hard, it's the boris haters who keep saying how shit we have handled it and like to point to others who they claim to have done it better, have they ? No one knows and probably no one will ever be able to.prove it one way or the other, far too many variables Yes we have handled this situation in a shit way as we had more time than Spain or other continental countries to prepare ourselves. With a gvt telling us that we are better than anyone else, it is pretty pathetic to have only two countries having done slightly worse than us. By closing airports and with more controls and quarantine we should have done better. Nothing on France or Germany? These countries don’t interest you in your comparisons? They are the countries which are comparable to us economically speaking. They are in the league as us pretty much but obviously they have better public services and hospitals than us. They also have fewer social disparities and the gap between the rich and the poor in these countries is not as wide which means we have much more deprivation here. This doesn’t help at all in a pandemic. The problem with your point about the time we had to prepare is not correct, if you look at the time from first case in certainly France,Spain and the uk the time to lockdown were just a few days different, as I keep saying countries are measuring deaths in different ways, they have different age profiles, ethnic percentages etc etc, all you want to do is blame the UK government, carry on if it makes you happy." Sorry for the typos and deleting messages everyone. As far as I know the French count in the same way as us and excess mortality confirms the differences between the U.K. and Germany or France. Am I mistaken or were the gvt making comparisons at some point between deaths in Europe at some point and stopped doing so when we started looking worse than everybody ekse? Were they, yes or no? Now that they’ve stopped Are you saying that the sacrosanct tories made a mistake! Surely not!!! So I will carry on criticising this gvt that hasn’t got a bloody clue! Two weeks ago a lockdown was never going to happen. Labour wanted to kill this country’s economy. Now we know that was bullshit are and we’ve wasted one week where we could have had a full lockdown with schools and businesses shut at the same time during half term. | |||
"In World War 2 the civilian deaths in the UK . due to military activities and crimes against humanity amounted to 67,200 (Wikipedia) . Boris, Hancock and the rest of the Conservative Government are approaching that total in less than a year. Will they be tried for crimes against humanity? Maybe do a little investigation and you will find that quite a few other countries have high death rates as well. There are a number of other countries where the death rate is higher. With Boris having a near death experience, I think we can be certain he has put politics aside and done what he believes is best for the country and its people. The key issue is that no one knows what is the correct approach to handling the virus. Firstly the only person describing it as a near death experience is you. Second if you think BoZo Johnson has put aside politics then I would politely suggest you take more water with it. BoZo Johnson is doing, and always has done, what's best for BoZo Johnson. And lastly a lot of people know how to handle a pandemic, it's been extensively gamed and tested both in the UK and abroad. Can you point to any country that has dealt with a pandemic before this one ? Planning and playing games about one is a completely different thing to actually doing it for real. If they were so clever why is it running out of control in most countries ? It's not running out of control in most countries Japan South Korea Vietnam Thailand Australia New Zealand All those doing very well thanks. The countries that have a functional track and trace system, doing well. This is all on BoZo Johnson. He's giving contracts to cronies. He's getting rid of people who don't agree with him, and placing his faith in a man who clearly felt he could ignore the restrictions placed on the rest of the country. Try european countries" Why? You asked for countries, you got countries. Stop whining. | |||
"I’ll correct my point about Spain. We have a bigger population than Spain and 11000 more deaths than them. Also people would probably not make comparisons if the gvt hadn’t made them at the start of all this with their slides and if Broris wasn’t obsessed with his world beating crap. We’re only world beating in stupid rhetoric and populism. So you are now admitting that both spsin and Belgium have higher death rates per 100,000 than the UK at least thats progress. Is it good we have had do many deaths ? Of course it isnt but as I keep saying making comparisons is very hard, it's the boris haters who keep saying how shit we have handled it and like to point to others who they claim to have done it better, have they ? No one knows and probably no one will ever be able to.prove it one way or the other, far too many variables Yes we have handled this situation in a shit way as we had more time than Spain or other continental countries to prepare ourselves. With a gvt telling us that we are better than anyone else, it is pretty pathetic to have only two countries having done slightly worse than us. By closing airports and with more controls and quarantine we should have done better. Nothing on France or Germany? These countries don’t interest you in your comparisons? They are the countries which are comparable to us economically speaking. They are in the league as us pretty much but obviously they have better public services and hospitals than us. They also have fewer social disparities and the gap between the rich and the poor in these countries is not as wide which means we have much more deprivation here. This doesn’t help at all in a pandemic. The problem with your point about the time we had to prepare is not correct, if you look at the time from first case in certainly France,Spain and the uk the time to lockdown were just a few days different, as I keep saying countries are measuring deaths in different ways, they have different age profiles, ethnic percentages etc etc, all you want to do is blame the UK government, carry on if it makes you happy. Sorry for the typos and deleting messages everyone. As far as I know the French count in the same way as us and excess mortality confirms the differences between the U.K. and Germany or France. Am I mistaken or were the gvt making comparisons at some point between deaths in Europe at some point and stopped doing so when we started looking worse than everybody ekse? Were they, yes or no? Now that they’ve stopped Are you saying that the sacrosanct tories made a mistake! Surely not!!! So I will carry on criticising this gvt that hasn’t got a bloody clue! Two weeks ago a lockdown was never going to happen. Labour wanted to kill this country’s economy. Now we know that was bullshit are and we’ve wasted one week where we could have had a full lockdown with schools and businesses shut at the same time during half term." Bullshit is a strange term to use when s government are trying to tackle a national crisis. We should be appreciating their efforts, not constantly trying to criticuse them . In any event all that a lockdown appears to do is delay spread and remove pressure from the NHS at a particular point in time. Ww cannot even be certain the the data provided by Sage is accurate or that their modelling is up to date. Many people are arguing that a further lockdown is unnecessary and question what it will achieve, especially if the data on which it is based is flawed . Sadly, no matter what the governmrnt do, blame will be apportioned to them regardless of what decisions they make. | |||
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"In World War 2 the civilian deaths in the UK . due to military activities and crimes against humanity amounted to 67,200 (Wikipedia) . Boris, Hancock and the rest of the Conservative Government are approaching that total in less than a year. Will they be tried for crimes against humanity? Maybe do a little investigation and you will find that quite a few other countries have high death rates as well. There are a number of other countries where the death rate is higher. With Boris having a near death experience, I think we can be certain he has put politics aside and done what he believes is best for the country and its people. The key issue is that no one knows what is the correct approach to handling the virus. Firstly the only person describing it as a near death experience is you. Second if you think BoZo Johnson has put aside politics then I would politely suggest you take more water with it. BoZo Johnson is doing, and always has done, what's best for BoZo Johnson. And lastly a lot of people know how to handle a pandemic, it's been extensively gamed and tested both in the UK and abroad. Can you point to any country that has dealt with a pandemic before this one ? Planning and playing games about one is a completely different thing to actually doing it for real. If they were so clever why is it running out of control in most countries ? Funny how we compare ourselves to other countries when it suits us. And how you do when it suits you, either do it all the time or dont do it at all. Personally I think its pointless, every country is different, they are using different means of counting deaths, have different age ranges, different health status and ethnic make ups, all of which make comparison pointless, but that didnt stop the haters doing it in March. And yet you have just done it. When European countries were being overrun,the Gmnt would compare us on a daily basis. When we overtook them,this strangely stopped. Now they are struggling, the comparisons are being made again. The simple fact is that from the very beginning,missing cobra meetings,until that farce yesterday (what was it?2 and a half hours late?)the handling of this here,has bordered on criminal. Awaits someone to pop up with wee Nicola I'm not talking about the government comparing I'm talking about the boris haters comparing when it suits them. I have never in the past said we have done better or worse than any other countries, I am saying the french have far more cases from.less testing yet only shut down this week, the point I am making is have the french ignored their expert advice, or the German government? It's not about saying who has been better or worse, all countries and governments have to balance more than just the immediate health impact, each one has different circumstances so each will do things differently, you are so filled with hate you are blind to this very simple fact, have the uk government done things perfectly? In hindsight no but who has Ok ..let's ignore other countries. Give me 3 examples of positives from our glorious leader during the pandemic.?" Taps fingers | |||
"I’ll correct my point about Spain. We have a bigger population than Spain and 11000 more deaths than them. Also people would probably not make comparisons if the gvt hadn’t made them at the start of all this with their slides and if Broris wasn’t obsessed with his world beating crap. We’re only world beating in stupid rhetoric and populism. So you are now admitting that both spsin and Belgium have higher death rates per 100,000 than the UK at least thats progress. Is it good we have had do many deaths ? Of course it isnt but as I keep saying making comparisons is very hard, it's the boris haters who keep saying how shit we have handled it and like to point to others who they claim to have done it better, have they ? No one knows and probably no one will ever be able to.prove it one way or the other, far too many variables Yes we have handled this situation in a shit way as we had more time than Spain or other continental countries to prepare ourselves. With a gvt telling us that we are better than anyone else, it is pretty pathetic to have only two countries having done slightly worse than us. By closing airports and with more controls and quarantine we should have done better. Nothing on France or Germany? These countries don’t interest you in your comparisons? They are the countries which are comparable to us economically speaking. They are in the league as us pretty much but obviously they have better public services and hospitals than us. They also have fewer social disparities and the gap between the rich and the poor in these countries is not as wide which means we have much more deprivation here. This doesn’t help at all in a pandemic. The problem with your point about the time we had to prepare is not correct, if you look at the time from first case in certainly France,Spain and the uk the time to lockdown were just a few days different, as I keep saying countries are measuring deaths in different ways, they have different age profiles, ethnic percentages etc etc, all you want to do is blame the UK government, carry on if it makes you happy." I think the point was Boris claimed we were doing better than everyone and much better than our European friends until our numbers caught up and then started exceeding theirs and all of a sudden he’s avoiding comparisons. | |||
"The only reason that these measures are being introduced is because the U.K. is an ill-disciplined society. We all now know how the virus is spread and we could very easily all avoid unnecessary social contact, wear masks when in the vicinity of others and keep their hands clean. There are two issues really. 1) The Government has lost the trust of the nation and far too many people just don’t trust them anymore and therefore social adherence to guidance is minimal. As an example, I saw fairly recently that just 18% of people told to self-isolate actually did so. 2) There are now literally millions of people who left school with very poor academic qualifications, but who believe themselves to be in possession of superior knowledge based on their choice of curated You Tube channels / Facebook Groups. This has lead to a breakdown in social cohesion as people turn on each other, rather than follow the scientifically recommended guidance. The government is only to blame in as much as they have been unable to demonstrate leadership to a sufficient degree that they are carrying the overwhelming majority of the country with them." There is also a link to you’re intelligence comment. As the government has issued so many changes to the rules in both regions and levels people have got confused and just can’t be arsed to take any notice. This island should work as one with health but we have three separate governing areas. That’s just a mess in anyone’s book. Btw Scotland 5 tiers ?? Good luck with that!, | |||
"I’ll correct my point about Spain. We have a bigger population than Spain and 11000 more deaths than them. Also people would probably not make comparisons if the gvt hadn’t made them at the start of all this with their slides and if Broris wasn’t obsessed with his world beating crap. We’re only world beating in stupid rhetoric and populism. So you are now admitting that both spsin and Belgium have higher death rates per 100,000 than the UK at least thats progress. Is it good we have had do many deaths ? Of course it isnt but as I keep saying making comparisons is very hard, it's the boris haters who keep saying how shit we have handled it and like to point to others who they claim to have done it better, have they ? No one knows and probably no one will ever be able to.prove it one way or the other, far too many variables Yes we have handled this situation in a shit way as we had more time than Spain or other continental countries to prepare ourselves. With a gvt telling us that we are better than anyone else, it is pretty pathetic to have only two countries having done slightly worse than us. By closing airports and with more controls and quarantine we should have done better. Nothing on France or Germany? These countries don’t interest you in your comparisons? They are the countries which are comparable to us economically speaking. They are in the league as us pretty much but obviously they have better public services and hospitals than us. They also have fewer social disparities and the gap between the rich and the poor in these countries is not as wide which means we have much more deprivation here. This doesn’t help at all in a pandemic. The problem with your point about the time we had to prepare is not correct, if you look at the time from first case in certainly France,Spain and the uk the time to lockdown were just a few days different, as I keep saying countries are measuring deaths in different ways, they have different age profiles, ethnic percentages etc etc, all you want to do is blame the UK government, carry on if it makes you happy. Sorry for the typos and deleting messages everyone. As far as I know the French count in the same way as us and excess mortality confirms the differences between the U.K. and Germany or France. Am I mistaken or were the gvt making comparisons at some point between deaths in Europe at some point and stopped doing so when we started looking worse than everybody ekse? Were they, yes or no? Now that they’ve stopped Are you saying that the sacrosanct tories made a mistake! Surely not!!! So I will carry on criticising this gvt that hasn’t got a bloody clue! Two weeks ago a lockdown was never going to happen. Labour wanted to kill this country’s economy. Now we know that was bullshit are and we’ve wasted one week where we could have had a full lockdown with schools and businesses shut at the same time during half term. Bullshit is a strange term to use when s government are trying to tackle a national crisis. We should be appreciating their efforts, not constantly trying to criticuse them . In any event all that a lockdown appears to do is delay spread and remove pressure from the NHS at a particular point in time. Ww cannot even be certain the the data provided by Sage is accurate or that their modelling is up to date. Many people are arguing that a further lockdown is unnecessary and question what it will achieve, especially if the data on which it is based is flawed . Sadly, no matter what the governmrnt do, blame will be apportioned to them regardless of what decisions they make. " If we don’t trust sage then go for the worse case scenario rather than delay or fudge. That’s not difficult. People will die as a result of dithering. Yes the economy is going to tank. So we have to decide lives or jobs. | |||
"I’ll correct my point about Spain. We have a bigger population than Spain and 11000 more deaths than them. Also people would probably not make comparisons if the gvt hadn’t made them at the start of all this with their slides and if Broris wasn’t obsessed with his world beating crap. We’re only world beating in stupid rhetoric and populism. So you are now admitting that both spsin and Belgium have higher death rates per 100,000 than the UK at least thats progress. Is it good we have had do many deaths ? Of course it isnt but as I keep saying making comparisons is very hard, it's the boris haters who keep saying how shit we have handled it and like to point to others who they claim to have done it better, have they ? No one knows and probably no one will ever be able to.prove it one way or the other, far too many variables Yes we have handled this situation in a shit way as we had more time than Spain or other continental countries to prepare ourselves. With a gvt telling us that we are better than anyone else, it is pretty pathetic to have only two countries having done slightly worse than us. By closing airports and with more controls and quarantine we should have done better. Nothing on France or Germany? These countries don’t interest you in your comparisons? They are the countries which are comparable to us economically speaking. They are in the league as us pretty much but obviously they have better public services and hospitals than us. They also have fewer social disparities and the gap between the rich and the poor in these countries is not as wide which means we have much more deprivation here. This doesn’t help at all in a pandemic. The problem with your point about the time we had to prepare is not correct, if you look at the time from first case in certainly France,Spain and the uk the time to lockdown were just a few days different, as I keep saying countries are measuring deaths in different ways, they have different age profiles, ethnic percentages etc etc, all you want to do is blame the UK government, carry on if it makes you happy. Sorry for the typos and deleting messages everyone. As far as I know the French count in the same way as us and excess mortality confirms the differences between the U.K. and Germany or France. Am I mistaken or were the gvt making comparisons at some point between deaths in Europe at some point and stopped doing so when we started looking worse than everybody ekse? Were they, yes or no? Now that they’ve stopped Are you saying that the sacrosanct tories made a mistake! Surely not!!! So I will carry on criticising this gvt that hasn’t got a bloody clue! Two weeks ago a lockdown was never going to happen. Labour wanted to kill this country’s economy. Now we know that was bullshit are and we’ve wasted one week where we could have had a full lockdown with schools and businesses shut at the same time during half term. Bullshit is a strange term to use when s government are trying to tackle a national crisis. We should be appreciating their efforts, not constantly trying to criticuse them . In any event all that a lockdown appears to do is delay spread and remove pressure from the NHS at a particular point in time. Ww cannot even be certain the the data provided by Sage is accurate or that their modelling is up to date. Many people are arguing that a further lockdown is unnecessary and question what it will achieve, especially if the data on which it is based is flawed . Sadly, no matter what the governmrnt do, blame will be apportioned to them regardless of what decisions they make. If we don’t trust sage then go for the worse case scenario rather than delay or fudge. That’s not difficult. People will die as a result of dithering. Yes the economy is going to tank. So we have to decide lives or jobs. " Maybe we should review what the World Health Organisation have to say. Quote. { We in the WHO do not advocate lockdowns as the primary means of control of this virus- we really do appeal to all world leaders stop using lockdown as your primary control method » | |||
"I’ll correct my point about Spain. We have a bigger population than Spain and 11000 more deaths than them. Also people would probably not make comparisons if the gvt hadn’t made them at the start of all this with their slides and if Broris wasn’t obsessed with his world beating crap. We’re only world beating in stupid rhetoric and populism. So you are now admitting that both spsin and Belgium have higher death rates per 100,000 than the UK at least thats progress. Is it good we have had do many deaths ? Of course it isnt but as I keep saying making comparisons is very hard, it's the boris haters who keep saying how shit we have handled it and like to point to others who they claim to have done it better, have they ? No one knows and probably no one will ever be able to.prove it one way or the other, far too many variables Yes we have handled this situation in a shit way as we had more time than Spain or other continental countries to prepare ourselves. With a gvt telling us that we are better than anyone else, it is pretty pathetic to have only two countries having done slightly worse than us. By closing airports and with more controls and quarantine we should have done better. Nothing on France or Germany? These countries don’t interest you in your comparisons? They are the countries which are comparable to us economically speaking. They are in the league as us pretty much but obviously they have better public services and hospitals than us. They also have fewer social disparities and the gap between the rich and the poor in these countries is not as wide which means we have much more deprivation here. This doesn’t help at all in a pandemic. The problem with your point about the time we had to prepare is not correct, if you look at the time from first case in certainly France,Spain and the uk the time to lockdown were just a few days different, as I keep saying countries are measuring deaths in different ways, they have different age profiles, ethnic percentages etc etc, all you want to do is blame the UK government, carry on if it makes you happy. Sorry for the typos and deleting messages everyone. As far as I know the French count in the same way as us and excess mortality confirms the differences between the U.K. and Germany or France. Am I mistaken or were the gvt making comparisons at some point between deaths in Europe at some point and stopped doing so when we started looking worse than everybody ekse? Were they, yes or no? Now that they’ve stopped Are you saying that the sacrosanct tories made a mistake! Surely not!!! So I will carry on criticising this gvt that hasn’t got a bloody clue! Two weeks ago a lockdown was never going to happen. Labour wanted to kill this country’s economy. Now we know that was bullshit are and we’ve wasted one week where we could have had a full lockdown with schools and businesses shut at the same time during half term. Bullshit is a strange term to use when s government are trying to tackle a national crisis. We should be appreciating their efforts, not constantly trying to criticuse them . In any event all that a lockdown appears to do is delay spread and remove pressure from the NHS at a particular point in time. Ww cannot even be certain the the data provided by Sage is accurate or that their modelling is up to date. Many people are arguing that a further lockdown is unnecessary and question what it will achieve, especially if the data on which it is based is flawed . Sadly, no matter what the governmrnt do, blame will be apportioned to them regardless of what decisions they make. If we don’t trust sage then go for the worse case scenario rather than delay or fudge. That’s not difficult. People will die as a result of dithering. Yes the economy is going to tank. So we have to decide lives or jobs. Maybe we should review what the World Health Organisation have to say. Quote. { We in the WHO do not advocate lockdowns as the primary means of control of this virus- we really do appeal to all world leaders stop using lockdown as your primary control method »" Top tip. If you want to know what the WHO says about lockdown. Go to the WHO website instead of the Sun/Mail/Express. https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/herd-immunity-lockdowns-and-covid-19 | |||
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"In World War 2 the civilian deaths in the UK . due to military activities and crimes against humanity amounted to 67,200 (Wikipedia) . Boris, Hancock and the rest of the Conservative Government are approaching that total in less than a year. Will they be tried for crimes against humanity?" Never, if they couldn’t get Tony Blair, I doubt they would do Boris over. | |||
"In World War 2 the civilian deaths in the UK . due to military activities and crimes against humanity amounted to 67,200 (Wikipedia) . Boris, Hancock and the rest of the Conservative Government are approaching that total in less than a year. Will they be tried for crimes against humanity? Never, if they couldn’t get Tony Blair, I doubt they would do Boris over." They'll just go on to make loads of easy money. Just like Blair did. | |||
"I thought the virus originated in China and has caused thousands of deaths all over the world. I didn't realise this virus was created by the Cabinet Office? " And China is where it should have stayed. | |||
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"In World War 2 the civilian deaths in the UK . due to military activities and crimes against humanity amounted to 67,200 (Wikipedia) . Boris, Hancock and the rest of the Conservative Government are approaching that total in less than a year. Will they be tried for crimes against humanity?" Just a polite suggestion. You should turn off all electronic devices and go for a walk, it's much better for your mental health. | |||
"In World War 2 the civilian deaths in the UK . due to military activities and crimes against humanity amounted to 67,200 (Wikipedia) . Boris, Hancock and the rest of the Conservative Government are approaching that total in less than a year. Will they be tried for crimes against humanity? Maybe do a little investigation and you will find that quite a few other countries have high death rates as well. There are a number of other countries where the death rate is higher. With Boris having a near death experience, I think we can be certain he has put politics aside and done what he believes is best for the country and its people. The key issue is that no one knows what is the correct approach to handling the virus. I would say at the start then yes everyone apart from some countries who knew what was coming and had learned the lessons of SARS etc were learning as they went.. But and today is quite a milestone as it will show Boris has not listened to his scientific advisors properly, he should have gone further after the SEP 21 recommendations from Sage and perhaps we might have had less people on ventilation this last week or so.. .However other people are of the opinion that he has spent to much time listening to Sage and not taking into account other factors such as the long term economic damage or deaths from other diseases such as cancer due to cancellation of hospital appointments. There is an excellent article in the national press today written by a former chief scientist at Pfizer . He has no confidence in Sage . They are wrong on three key factors as listed below 1 . Majority of the population is susceptible . 2. Only 7 % infected so far 3. Virus death rate is 1 % . It would appear that the mortality rate is about 0.2 % , 33.5 % of the population are already infected . Only 26.5 % of the population are actually susceptible to being infected. Like the author of the article, I will not be paying too much attention to Sage. So you are prepared to ignore the guidance of a number of qualified people you don't know, with the absolute conviction that they are wrong, in favour of another persons opinion, who you don't know but because they give you better sounding figures, they absolutely must be right? SSage are only one group of scientists. There are lots of other scientists whose opinions are different to Sage. The Great Barrington Declaration was signed by more than 44000 scientists , public health experts and clinicians. " Ahh, the not so Great Barrington Declaration.... A truly amazing list of signatures from "scientists" including Mr Banana Rama", "Dr Johnny Fartpants", "Dr Person Fakename", "Harold Shipman", "Professor Notaf Uckingclue", and "Prof Cominic Dummings". More than 100 psychotherapists, numerous homeopaths, physiotherapists, massage therapists, and other non-relevant people were found to be signatories, including a performer of Khoomei – a Mongolian style of overtone singing – described as a "therapeutic sound practitioner". Great | |||
