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"As an Irishman I can’t see how the UK has benefited from Brexit. The economic cost of Brexit 2016-19 exceeded what the UK paid into Europe over 47 years (Bloomberg), your currency has devalued by 25% and as for the deal...... You’ve lost the right to move freely abroad and your qualifications are no longer recognised . Your money and service industry can’t access ours nor can most of your security and if you move away from our EU standards we’ll impose tariffs on you. Not to mention giving us 75% of your fish and the whole of Northern Ireland. It’s a real shame you left us and we’ll lose out too but really was it all worth it!" Boris seems to think so! | |||
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"As an Irishman I can’t see how the UK has benefited from Brexit. The economic cost of Brexit 2016-19 exceeded what the UK paid into Europe over 47 years (Bloomberg), your currency has devalued by 25% and as for the deal...... You’ve lost the right to move freely abroad and your qualifications are no longer recognised . Your money and service industry can’t access ours nor can most of your security and if you move away from our EU standards we’ll impose tariffs on you. Not to mention giving us 75% of your fish and the whole of Northern Ireland. It’s a real shame you left us and we’ll lose out too but really was it all worth it!" We can still move freely abroad. Just if we want more than 3 months, then we have to get a visa. | |||
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"As an Irishman I can’t see how the UK has benefited from Brexit. The economic cost of Brexit 2016-19 exceeded what the UK paid into Europe over 47 years (Bloomberg), your currency has devalued by 25% and as for the deal...... You’ve lost the right to move freely abroad and your qualifications are no longer recognised . Your money and service industry can’t access ours nor can most of your security and if you move away from our EU standards we’ll impose tariffs on you. Not to mention giving us 75% of your fish and the whole of Northern Ireland. It’s a real shame you left us and we’ll lose out too but really was it all worth it!" Even leaving aside the implications for the Union, it is truly gobsmacking to negotiate your way into a having a free-trade zone smaller than your own actual borders. | |||
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"The world doesn't end at Europe the uk has agreed 53 deals with more to come across the world.This is the benefit of leaving a shrinking market. " With the EU deal it is actually 59 I belive. | |||
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"As an Irishman I can’t see how the UK has benefited from Brexit. The economic cost of Brexit 2016-19 exceeded what the UK paid into Europe over 47 years (Bloomberg), your currency has devalued by 25% and as for the deal...... You’ve lost the right to move freely abroad and your qualifications are no longer recognised . Your money and service industry can’t access ours nor can most of your security and if you move away from our EU standards we’ll impose tariffs on you. Not to mention giving us 75% of your fish and the whole of Northern Ireland. It’s a real shame you left us and we’ll lose out too but really was it all worth it! Even leaving aside the implications for the Union, it is truly gobsmacking to negotiate your way into a having a free-trade zone smaller than your own actual borders." We are still in a free trade zone with the EU. | |||
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"We can now buy bendy bananas"
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"As an Irishman I can’t see how the UK has benefited from Brexit. The economic cost of Brexit 2016-19 exceeded what the UK paid into Europe over 47 years (Bloomberg), your currency has devalued by 25% and as for the deal...... You’ve lost the right to move freely abroad and your qualifications are no longer recognised . Your money and service industry can’t access ours nor can most of your security and if you move away from our EU standards we’ll impose tariffs on you. Not to mention giving us 75% of your fish and the whole of Northern Ireland. It’s a real shame you left us and we’ll lose out too but really was it all worth it! We can still move freely abroad. Just if we want more than 3 months, then we have to get a visa. " Yes. A great brexit benefit. Free movement with lots of restrictions, instead of the shitty free movement without these restrictions we had before. | |||
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"As an Irishman I can’t see how the UK has benefited from Brexit. The economic cost of Brexit 2016-19 exceeded what the UK paid into Europe over 47 years (Bloomberg), your currency has devalued by 25% and as for the deal...... You’ve lost the right to move freely abroad and your qualifications are no longer recognised . Your money and service industry can’t access ours nor can most of your security and if you move away from our EU standards we’ll impose tariffs on you. Not to mention giving us 75% of your fish and the whole of Northern Ireland. It’s a real shame you left us and we’ll lose out too but really was it all worth it!" Brexit wasn't about any of this. The purpose was to move more wealth and power from ordinary people to those already at the top. Objective achieved. Those behind it don't give a fuck about how it effects the country. But as you can see from this thread, people are so taken in by the right wing media narrative that the EU, and not their own government, caused all their problems, that they still argue that brexit is a good idea. What can you do! | |||
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"As an Irishman I can’t see how the UK has benefited from Brexit. The economic cost of Brexit 2016-19 exceeded what the UK paid into Europe over 47 years (Bloomberg), your currency has devalued by 25% and as for the deal...... You’ve lost the right to move freely abroad and your qualifications are no longer recognised . Your money and service industry can’t access ours nor can most of your security and if you move away from our EU standards we’ll impose tariffs on you. Not to mention giving us 75% of your fish and the whole of Northern Ireland. It’s a real shame you left us and we’ll lose out too but really was it all worth it! Even leaving aside the implications for the Union, it is truly gobsmacking to negotiate your way into a having a free-trade zone smaller than your own actual borders. We are still in a free trade zone with the EU." You're don't a free trade zone within your own national borders!! | |||
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"As an Irishman I can’t see how the UK has benefited from Brexit. The economic cost of Brexit 2016-19 exceeded what the UK paid into Europe over 47 years (Bloomberg), your currency has devalued by 25% and as for the deal...... You’ve lost the right to move freely abroad and your qualifications are no longer recognised . Your money and service industry can’t access ours nor can most of your security and if you move away from our EU standards we’ll impose tariffs on you. Not to mention giving us 75% of your fish and the whole of Northern Ireland. It’s a real shame you left us and we’ll lose out too but really was it all worth it!" So I'm curious as to where you got giving up 75% of fish. The deal is to gain 25% over 5 years. To gain is to add to what you already have. According to the current CFP the UK gets 30% of the fish. So 30% plus 25% gain becomes 55% total. The UK will having the majority number of fish. A bit like the leave vote had the majority percentage.! | |||
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"As an Irishman I can’t see how the UK has benefited from Brexit. The economic cost of Brexit 2016-19 exceeded what the UK paid into Europe over 47 years (Bloomberg), your currency has devalued by 25% and as for the deal...... You’ve lost the right to move freely abroad and your qualifications are no longer recognised . Your money and service industry can’t access ours nor can most of your security and if you move away from our EU standards we’ll impose tariffs on you. Not to mention giving us 75% of your fish and the whole of Northern Ireland. It’s a real shame you left us and we’ll lose out too but really was it all worth it! So I'm curious as to where you got giving up 75% of fish. The deal is to gain 25% over 5 years. To gain is to add to what you already have. According to the current CFP the UK gets 30% of the fish. So 30% plus 25% gain becomes 55% total. The UK will having the majority number of fish. A bit like the leave vote had the majority percentage.!" Why are the fishermen saying thet have been sold out? | |||
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"As an Irishman I can’t see how the UK has benefited from Brexit. The economic cost of Brexit 2016-19 exceeded what the UK paid into Europe over 47 years (Bloomberg), your currency has devalued by 25% and as for the deal...... You’ve lost the right to move freely abroad and your qualifications are no longer recognised . Your money and service industry can’t access ours nor can most of your security and if you move away from our EU standards we’ll impose tariffs on you. Not to mention giving us 75% of your fish and the whole of Northern Ireland. It’s a real shame you left us and we’ll lose out too but really was it all worth it! So I'm curious as to where you got giving up 75% of fish. The deal is to gain 25% over 5 years. To gain is to add to what you already have. According to the current CFP the UK gets 30% of the fish. So 30% plus 25% gain becomes 55% total. The UK will having the majority number of fish. A bit like the leave vote had the majority percentage.! Why are the fishermen saying thet have been sold out?" Because fishing was kicked down the road for 5 years and UK services has lost access to the single market. But in economic terms, fishing is half of fuck all. | |||
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"As an Irishman I can’t see how the UK has benefited from Brexit. The economic cost of Brexit 2016-19 exceeded what the UK paid into Europe over 47 years (Bloomberg), your currency has devalued by 25% and as for the deal...... You’ve lost the right to move freely abroad and your qualifications are no longer recognised . Your money and service industry can’t access ours nor can most of your security and if you move away from our EU standards we’ll impose tariffs on you. Not to mention giving us 75% of your fish and the whole of Northern Ireland. It’s a real shame you left us and we’ll lose out too but really was it all worth it! So I'm curious as to where you got giving up 75% of fish. The deal is to gain 25% over 5 years. To gain is to add to what you already have. According to the current CFP the UK gets 30% of the fish. So 30% plus 25% gain becomes 55% total. The UK will having the majority number of fish. A bit like the leave vote had the majority percentage.! Why are the fishermen saying thet have been sold out? Because fishing was kicked down the road for 5 years and UK services has lost access to the single market. But in economic terms, fishing is half of fuck all." So the last few months has been about getting a better deal for fishing rights..we claim victory..but they say they have been sold out. Am I missing something? | |||
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"As an Irishman I can’t see how the UK has benefited from Brexit. The economic cost of Brexit 2016-19 exceeded what the UK paid into Europe over 47 years (Bloomberg), your currency has devalued by 25% and as for the deal...... You’ve lost the right to move freely abroad and your qualifications are no longer recognised . Your money and service industry can’t access ours nor can most of your security and if you move away from our EU standards we’ll impose tariffs on you. Not to mention giving us 75% of your fish and the whole of Northern Ireland. It’s a real shame you left us and we’ll lose out too but really was it all worth it! So I'm curious as to where you got giving up 75% of fish. The deal is to gain 25% over 5 years. To gain is to add to what you already have. According to the current CFP the UK gets 30% of the fish. So 30% plus 25% gain becomes 55% total. The UK will having the majority number of fish. A bit like the leave vote had the majority percentage.! Why are the fishermen saying thet have been sold out?" Because they were told they would be getting it all, despite the fact we neither CURRENTLY have the capacity to catch it or a tariff free market, obviously the 100% was a negotiation starting point, just as the EU said we would never get tariff and quota free access | |||
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"You seem to get a lot of Irishmen in here moaning about Brexit. Ah well, the politics of envy I guess "When you say moaning..you mean commenting.? And you realise your gmnt practically bribed the DUP? | |||
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"As an Irishman I can’t see how the UK has benefited from Brexit. The economic cost of Brexit 2016-19 exceeded what the UK paid into Europe over 47 years (Bloomberg), your currency has devalued by 25% and as for the deal...... You’ve lost the right to move freely abroad and your qualifications are no longer recognised . Your money and service industry can’t access ours nor can most of your security and if you move away from our EU standards we’ll impose tariffs on you. Not to mention giving us 75% of your fish and the whole of Northern Ireland. It’s a real shame you left us and we’ll lose out too but really was it all worth it! So I'm curious as to where you got giving up 75% of fish. The deal is to gain 25% over 5 years. To gain is to add to what you already have. According to the current CFP the UK gets 30% of the fish. So 30% plus 25% gain becomes 55% total. The UK will having the majority number of fish. A bit like the leave vote had the majority percentage.! Why are the fishermen saying thet have been sold out? Because they were told they would be getting it all, despite the fact we neither CURRENTLY have the capacity to catch it or a tariff free market, obviously the 100% was a negotiation starting point, just as the EU said we would never get tariff and quota free access" So they were lied too? | |||
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"As an Irishman I can’t see how the UK has benefited from Brexit. The economic cost of Brexit 2016-19 exceeded what the UK paid into Europe over 47 years (Bloomberg), your currency has devalued by 25% and as for the deal...... You’ve lost the right to move freely abroad and your qualifications are no longer recognised . Your money and service industry can’t access ours nor can most of your security and if you move away from our EU standards we’ll impose tariffs on you. Not to mention giving us 75% of your fish and the whole of Northern Ireland. It’s a real shame you left us and we’ll lose out too but really was it all worth it! So I'm curious as to where you got giving up 75% of fish. The deal is to gain 25% over 5 years. To gain is to add to what you already have. According to the current CFP the UK gets 30% of the fish. So 30% plus 25% gain becomes 55% total. The UK will having the majority number of fish. A bit like the leave vote had the majority percentage.! Why are the fishermen saying thet have been sold out? Because fishing was kicked down the road for 5 years and UK services has lost access to the single market. But in economic terms, fishing is half of fuck all. So the last few months has been about getting a better deal for fishing rights..we claim victory..but they say they have been sold out. Am I missing something?" Like the DUP that Boris once held so dear, the UK fishing industry was thrown under a (Boris) bus. | |||
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"As an Irishman I can’t see how the UK has benefited from Brexit. The economic cost of Brexit 2016-19 exceeded what the UK paid into Europe over 47 years (Bloomberg), your currency has devalued by 25% and as for the deal...... You’ve lost the right to move freely abroad and your qualifications are no longer recognised . Your money and service industry can’t access ours nor can most of your security and if you move away from our EU standards we’ll impose tariffs on you. Not to mention giving us 75% of your fish and the whole of Northern Ireland. It’s a real shame you left us and we’ll lose out too but really was it all worth it! So I'm curious as to where you got giving up 75% of fish. The deal is to gain 25% over 5 years. To gain is to add to what you already have. According to the current CFP the UK gets 30% of the fish. So 30% plus 25% gain becomes 55% total. The UK will having the majority number of fish. A bit like the leave vote had the majority percentage.! Why are the fishermen saying thet have been sold out? Because fishing was kicked down the road for 5 years and UK services has lost access to the single market. But in economic terms, fishing is half of fuck all. So the last few months has been about getting a better deal for fishing rights..we claim victory..but they say they have been sold out. Am I missing something? Like the DUP that Boris once held so dear, the UK fishing industry was thrown under a (Boris) bus." Wait. A big fuck off feather has blown me over. | |||
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"As an Irishman I can’t see how the UK has benefited from Brexit. The economic cost of Brexit 2016-19 exceeded what the UK paid into Europe over 47 years (Bloomberg), your currency has devalued by 25% and as for the deal...... You’ve lost the right to move freely abroad and your qualifications are no longer recognised . Your money and service industry can’t access ours nor can most of your security and if you move away from our EU standards we’ll impose tariffs on you. Not to mention giving us 75% of your fish and the whole of Northern Ireland. It’s a real shame you left us and we’ll lose out too but really was it all worth it! So I'm curious as to where you got giving up 75% of fish. The deal is to gain 25% over 5 years. To gain is to add to what you already have. According to the current CFP the UK gets 30% of the fish. So 30% plus 25% gain becomes 55% total. The UK will having the majority number of fish. A bit like the leave vote had the majority percentage.! Why are the fishermen saying thet have been sold out? Because fishing was kicked down the road for 5 years and UK services has lost access to the single market. But in economic terms, fishing is half of fuck all. So the last few months has been about getting a better deal for fishing rights..we claim victory..but they say they have been sold out. Am I missing something? Like the DUP that Boris once held so dear, the UK fishing industry was thrown under a (Boris) bus. Wait. A big fuck off feather has blown me over." I suppose this isn't a good time to mention the 1/3 (ish) drop in the £ since the 2016 vote. Bloomberg estimates Brexit has cost the UK £200 Billion so far (ouch). Still there's £350 million a week more for the NHS, so that's nice. I suppose I should mention J Cox as well, hard to put a value on that. | |||
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"As an Irishman I can’t see how the UK has benefited from Brexit. The economic cost of Brexit 2016-19 exceeded what the UK paid into Europe over 47 years (Bloomberg), your currency has devalued by 25% and as for the deal...... You’ve lost the right to move freely abroad and your qualifications are no longer recognised . Your money and service industry can’t access ours nor can most of your security and if you move away from our EU standards we’ll impose tariffs on you. Not to mention giving us 75% of your fish and the whole of Northern Ireland. It’s a real shame you left us and we’ll lose out too but really was it all worth it! So I'm curious as to where you got giving up 75% of fish. The deal is to gain 25% over 5 years. To gain is to add to what you already have. According to the current CFP the UK gets 30% of the fish. So 30% plus 25% gain becomes 55% total. The UK will having the majority number of fish. A bit like the leave vote had the majority percentage.! Why are the fishermen saying thet have been sold out? Because fishing was kicked down the road for 5 years and UK services has lost access to the single market. But in economic terms, fishing is half of fuck all. So the last few months has been about getting a better deal for fishing rights..we claim victory..but they say they have been sold out. Am I missing something? Like the DUP that Boris once held so dear, the UK fishing industry was thrown under a (Boris) bus. Wait. A big fuck off feather has blown me over. I suppose this isn't a good time to mention the 1/3 (ish) drop in the £ since the 2016 vote. Bloomberg estimates Brexit has cost the UK £200 Billion so far (ouch). Still there's £350 million a week more for the NHS, so that's nice. I suppose I should mention J Cox as well, hard to put a value on that. " so boris is responsible for jo Cox's death now, the pound is down 20% from it's high in 2016 not 30ish, and in 2010 it was lower than it is now, but hey why let facts get in the way | |||
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"As an Irishman I can’t see how the UK has benefited from Brexit. The economic cost of Brexit 2016-19 exceeded what the UK paid into Europe over 47 years (Bloomberg), your currency has devalued by 25% and as for the deal...... You’ve lost the right to move freely abroad and your qualifications are no longer recognised . Your money and service industry can’t access ours nor can most of your security and if you move away from our EU standards we’ll impose tariffs on you. Not to mention giving us 75% of your fish and the whole of Northern Ireland. It’s a real shame you left us and we’ll lose out too but really was it all worth it! So I'm curious as to where you got giving up 75% of fish. The deal is to gain 25% over 5 years. To gain is to add to what you already have. According to the current CFP the UK gets 30% of the fish. So 30% plus 25% gain becomes 55% total. The UK will having the majority number of fish. A bit like the leave vote had the majority percentage.! Why are the fishermen saying thet have been sold out? Because they were told they would be getting it all, despite the fact we neither CURRENTLY have the capacity to catch it or a tariff free market, obviously the 100% was a negotiation starting point, just as the EU said we would never get tariff and quota free access So they were lied too?" Were they? Was it not take back control of our waters? No longer in the CFP from 1st Jan means taking back control. 55% of fish means the majority of the catch in our waters. Good negotiating and helped to get a deal. Plus the £100M to be spent in the fishing community as well dont forget. | |||
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"As an Irishman I can’t see how the UK has benefited from Brexit. The economic cost of Brexit 2016-19 exceeded what the UK paid into Europe over 47 years (Bloomberg), your currency has devalued by 25% and as for the deal...... You’ve lost the right to move freely abroad and your qualifications are no longer recognised . Your money and service industry can’t access ours nor can most of your security and if you move away from our EU standards we’ll impose tariffs on you. Not to mention giving us 75% of your fish and the whole of Northern Ireland. It’s a real shame you left us and we’ll lose out too but really was it all worth it! So I'm curious as to where you got giving up 75% of fish. The deal is to gain 25% over 5 years. To gain is to add to what you already have. According to the current CFP the UK gets 30% of the fish. So 30% plus 25% gain becomes 55% total. The UK will having the majority number of fish. A bit like the leave vote had the majority percentage.! Why are the fishermen saying thet have been sold out? Because they were told they would be getting it all, despite the fact we neither CURRENTLY have the capacity to catch it or a tariff free market, obviously the 100% was a negotiation starting point, just as the EU said we would never get tariff and quota free access So they were lied too? Were they? Was it not take back control of our waters? No longer in the CFP from 1st Jan means taking back control. 55% of fish means the majority of the catch in our waters. Good negotiating and helped to get a deal. Plus the £100M to be spent in the fishing community as well dont forget. " Well they dont seem particularly happy https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/26/fishing-chiefs-cry-betrayal-as-mps-fear-rush-to-ratify-brexit-deal | |||
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"So the uk gets 25% extra whereas the EU fishermen are losing that amount, guess which side is unhappier ? Of course your favourite propaganda machine wont mention that." Well as you seem more informed than the uk fisheries executive, I'll bow to your greater knowledge. | |||
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"So the conclusion seems to be some % of the fishing quotas is worth sacrificing everything mentioned by the OP for. There's your answer bud." Not at all, I voted to leave to stop free movement and that's a win. | |||
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"So the conclusion seems to be some % of the fishing quotas is worth sacrificing everything mentioned by the OP for. There's your answer bud. Not at all, I voted to leave to stop free movement and that's a win." So there's another answer. Some people believed the right wing media and Tory party distraction tactics/propaganda. And sacrificed everything above for it. | |||
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"The world doesn't end at Europe the uk has agreed 53 deals with more to come across the world.This is the benefit of leaving a shrinking market. " | |||
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"You seem to get a lot of Irishmen in here moaning about Brexit. Ah well, the politics of envy I guess "Looking at their GDP to ours I think we are more likely to be envious! | |||
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"So the uk gets 25% extra whereas the EU fishermen are losing that amount, guess which side is unhappier ? Of course your favourite propaganda machine wont mention that." How many other large countries outside the EU give half their fishing to another country? | |||
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"As an Irishman I can’t see how the UK has benefited from Brexit. The economic cost of Brexit 2016-19 exceeded what the UK paid into Europe over 47 years (Bloomberg), your currency has devalued by 25% and as for the deal...... You’ve lost the right to move freely abroad and your qualifications are no longer recognised . Your money and service industry can’t access ours nor can most of your security and if you move away from our EU standards we’ll impose tariffs on you. Not to mention giving us 75% of your fish and the whole of Northern Ireland. It’s a real shame you left us and we’ll lose out too but really was it all worth it! We can still move freely abroad. Just if we want more than 3 months, then we have to get a visa. " Remember that in the “other passport” Queue if you ever travel! Or if you fancy retiring to the sun for the winter months. Oh you can’t sorry .. | |||
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"The majority of the Tory party and the government backed remain " Eh? | |||
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"As an Irishman I can’t see how the UK has benefited from Brexit. The economic cost of Brexit 2016-19 exceeded what the UK paid into Europe over 47 years (Bloomberg), your currency has devalued by 25% and as for the deal...... You’ve lost the right to move freely abroad and your qualifications are no longer recognised . Your money and service industry can’t access ours nor can most of your security and if you move away from our EU standards we’ll impose tariffs on you. Not to mention giving us 75% of your fish and the whole of Northern Ireland. It’s a real shame you left us and we’ll lose out too but really was it all worth it! Even leaving aside the implications for the Union, it is truly gobsmacking to negotiate your way into a having a free-trade zone smaller than your own actual borders. We are still in a free trade zone with the EU." Erm only for certain production. Services are yet to be agreed which is 80% of our economy. Also don’t forget the extra cost of new regulations we have to pay for in the U.K. The chemical association say this will take years. and then the customs costs and the cost of funding VAT cash flow. so not very FREE trade is it. Look into the detail not the sound bites . Boris knows you won’t! | |||
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"UK has gained nothing and lost a continent." Did it get roaming charges or is that tbc? | |||
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"The majority of the Tory party and the government backed remain Eh?" Eh what? Did you not get the leaflet? | |||
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"UK has gained nothing and lost a continent." Wow another Irish person, had no idea you are all interested so much in the UK.! | |||
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"The majority of the Tory party and the government backed remain Eh? Eh what? Did you not get the leaflet? " The leaflet that the government was legally obliged to produce and distribute to the citizens. | |||
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"UK has gained nothing and lost a continent. Wow another Irish person, had no idea you are all interested so much in the UK.!" The UK self sabotaging impacts Ireland. | |||
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"UK has gained nothing and lost a continent. Did it get roaming charges or is that tbc?" Not in agreement but gov say we will be told when we go over our set limits ???? | |||
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"So the uk gets 25% extra whereas the EU fishermen are losing that amount, guess which side is unhappier ? Of course your favourite propaganda machine wont mention that. How many other large countries outside the EU give half their fishing to another country? " You talk so much about buisness I would have thought you would know the difference of 50% and 45%. Do you round all you percentages up at work? | |||
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"UK has gained nothing and lost a continent. Wow another Irish person, had no idea you are all interested so much in the UK.!" Put simply, Brexit had serious implications for all of Ireland, both sides of the border. Boris thought he could use Ireland as his hostage in negotiations. That did not work as he hoped. | |||
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"UK has gained nothing and lost a continent. Wow another Irish person, had no idea you are all interested so much in the UK.!" Just too easy. | |||
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"So the uk gets 25% extra whereas the EU fishermen are losing that amount, guess which side is unhappier ? Of course your favourite propaganda machine wont mention that. How many other large countries outside the EU give half their fishing to another country? You talk so much about buisness I would have thought you would know the difference of 50% and 45%. Do you round all you percentages up at work?" Is that the best you’ve got? Come on try harder . Did we get control back of our fishing grounds? The answer is no! Unless we want to pay tariffs. You can grasp as many straws as you like. It’s the EU putting Boris in his place but sadly the workers in the country are the ones who’ll pay. | |||
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"This is just confirming Boris overwhelming success! Writing in the Daily Mail, Mr Farage said: "I am sorry to say that for all the tough talk of Mr Johnson and his chief negotiator, Lord Frost, some major concessions have been made. "Northern Ireland has been cut off from the rest of the UK; the European Human Rights regime will remain in place here; our coastal communities have been saddled with a rotten fishing deal; and EU firms will still be allowed to tender for UK government contracts. "In regulatory terms, the EU will hold a Sword of Damocles over Britain with the threat of immediate tariffs if they judge that Britain is being too competitive. Fucking winning all hands down with Nigel. When was Brexit ever going to be a good thing? " I thought that reptile was happy with it? | |||
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"This is just confirming Boris overwhelming success! Writing in the Daily Mail, Mr Farage said: "I am sorry to say that for all the tough talk of Mr Johnson and his chief negotiator, Lord Frost, some major concessions have been made. "Northern Ireland has been cut off from the rest of the UK; the European Human Rights regime will remain in place here; our coastal communities have been saddled with a rotten fishing deal; and EU firms will still be allowed to tender for UK government contracts. "In regulatory terms, the EU will hold a Sword of Damocles over Britain with the threat of immediate tariffs if they judge that Britain is being too competitive. Fucking winning all hands down with Nigel. When was Brexit ever going to be a good thing? I thought that reptile was happy with it?" Seems unlike us lot he’s read it now . | |||
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"This is just confirming Boris overwhelming success! Writing in the Daily Mail, Mr Farage said: "I am sorry to say that for all the tough talk of Mr Johnson and his chief negotiator, Lord Frost, some major concessions have been made. "Northern Ireland has been cut off from the rest of the UK; the European Human Rights regime will remain in place here; our coastal communities have been saddled with a rotten fishing deal; and EU firms will still be allowed to tender for UK government contracts. "In regulatory terms, the EU will hold a Sword of Damocles over Britain with the threat of immediate tariffs if they judge that Britain is being too competitive. Fucking winning all hands down with Nigel. When was Brexit ever going to be a good thing? I thought that reptile was happy with it? Seems unlike us lot he’s read it now ." Ha ha. Standard. So apart from boris and his loyal following on here..who is happy with it? | |||
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"UK has gained nothing and lost a continent. Wow another Irish person, had no idea you are all interested so much in the UK.!" Erm, decisions made by the UK gov have great implications on the security of the Island of Ireland. Have you been living under a rock? | |||
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"So the uk gets 25% extra whereas the EU fishermen are losing that amount, guess which side is unhappier ? Of course your favourite propaganda machine wont mention that. How many other large countries outside the EU give half their fishing to another country? You talk so much about buisness I would have thought you would know the difference of 50% and 45%. Do you round all you percentages up at work? Is that the best you’ve got? Come on try harder . Did we get control back of our fishing grounds? The answer is no! Unless we want to pay tariffs. You can grasp as many straws as you like. It’s the EU putting Boris in his place but sadly the workers in the country are the ones who’ll pay. " Ok fair enough you don’t know the difference between 45% and 50%. Looks like I gave you too much credit.! | |||
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"So the uk gets 25% extra whereas the EU fishermen are losing that amount, guess which side is unhappier ? Of course your favourite propaganda machine wont mention that. How many other large countries outside the EU give half their fishing to another country? You talk so much about buisness I would have thought you would know the difference of 50% and 45%. Do you round all you percentages up at work? Is that the best you’ve got? Come on try harder . Did we get control back of our fishing grounds? The answer is no! Unless we want to pay tariffs. You can grasp as many straws as you like. It’s the EU putting Boris in his place but sadly the workers in the country are the ones who’ll pay. Ok fair enough you don’t know the difference between 45% and 50%. Looks like I gave you too much credit.!" Do you want to answer the question or is that to difficult? I’ll give you a vague easy to answer question like my “half” comment. When Boris said “get Brexit done”. What does that actually mean? From where I’m looking it’s neither out or in the EU. but with added costs and restrictions and definitely no say in the direction of the EU. What was you understanding of the detail behind that statement. Come on show me how to do clarity! | |||
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"The majority of the Tory party and the government backed remain Eh? Eh what? Did you not get the leaflet? The leaflet that the government was legally obliged to produce and distribute to the citizens. " Strongly advising them to do what? And you duly obliged like a good boy | |||
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"UK has gained nothing and lost a continent. Wow another Irish person, had no idea you are all interested so much in the UK.! Erm, decisions made by the UK gov have great implications on the security of the Island of Ireland. Have you been living under a rock? " The damage done by threatening to renege on the withdrawal agreement is going to stay with Boris as the UK now looks for new trade agreements. | |||
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"This is just confirming Boris overwhelming success! Writing in the Daily Mail, Mr Farage said: "I am sorry to say that for all the tough talk of Mr Johnson and his chief negotiator, Lord Frost, some major concessions have been made. "Northern Ireland has been cut off from the rest of the UK; the European Human Rights regime will remain in place here; our coastal communities have been saddled with a rotten fishing deal; and EU firms will still be allowed to tender for UK government contracts. "In regulatory terms, the EU will hold a Sword of Damocles over Britain with the threat of immediate tariffs if they judge that Britain is being too competitive. Fucking winning all hands down with Nigel. When was Brexit ever going to be a good thing? " That's what the EU wanted but failed to get. They warned to be able to immediately impose sanctions but instead any problems have to go through international arbitration. Of course it's a 2 way thing too meaning the UK can do the same | |||
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"This is just confirming Boris overwhelming success! Writing in the Daily Mail, Mr Farage said: "I am sorry to say that for all the tough talk of Mr Johnson and his chief negotiator, Lord Frost, some major concessions have been made. "Northern Ireland has been cut off from the rest of the UK; the European Human Rights regime will remain in place here; our coastal communities have been saddled with a rotten fishing deal; and EU firms will still be allowed to tender for UK government contracts. "In regulatory terms, the EU will hold a Sword of Damocles over Britain with the threat of immediate tariffs if they judge that Britain is being too competitive. Fucking winning all hands down with Nigel. When was Brexit ever going to be a good thing? That's what the EU wanted but failed to get. They warned to be able to immediately impose sanctions but instead any problems have to go through international arbitration. Of course it's a 2 way thing too meaning the UK can do the same" So we are better off how exactly? We played by the rules before and got fined. We now play by the rules or pay tariffs. It’s not much of a win is it. And international arbitration?. I thought Brexit meant we had control over everything and didn’t have to answer to anyone.?.. So it’s now called arbitration instead of the EU commission! Oh right! Again I’m struggling to see a win financially. | |||
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"This is just confirming Boris overwhelming success! Writing in the Daily Mail, Mr Farage said: "I am sorry to say that for all the tough talk of Mr Johnson and his chief negotiator, Lord Frost, some major concessions have been made. "Northern Ireland has been cut off from the rest of the UK; the European Human Rights regime will remain in place here; our coastal communities have been saddled with a rotten fishing deal; and EU firms will still be allowed to tender for UK government contracts. "In regulatory terms, the EU will hold a Sword of Damocles over Britain with the threat of immediate tariffs if they judge that Britain is being too competitive. Fucking winning all hands down with Nigel. When was Brexit ever going to be a good thing? That's what the EU wanted but failed to get. They warned to be able to immediately impose sanctions but instead any problems have to go through international arbitration. Of course it's a 2 way thing too meaning the UK can do the same So we are better off how exactly? We played by the rules before and got fined. We now play by the rules or pay tariffs. It’s not much of a win is it. And international arbitration?. I thought Brexit meant we had control over everything and didn’t have to answer to anyone.?.. So it’s now called arbitration instead of the EU commission! Oh right! Again I’m struggling to see a win financially. " We have to play by the rules, but no longer have a say on the rules. We walked away from the decision making table. | |||
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"This is just confirming Boris overwhelming success! Writing in the Daily Mail, Mr Farage said: "I am sorry to say that for all the tough talk of Mr Johnson and his chief negotiator, Lord Frost, some major concessions have been made. "Northern Ireland has been cut off from the rest of the UK; the European Human Rights regime will remain in place here; our coastal communities have been saddled with a rotten fishing deal; and EU firms will still be allowed to tender for UK government contracts. "In regulatory terms, the EU will hold a Sword of Damocles over Britain with the threat of immediate tariffs if they judge that Britain is being too competitive. Fucking winning all hands down with Nigel. When was Brexit ever going to be a good thing? That's what the EU wanted but failed to get. They warned to be able to immediately impose sanctions but instead any problems have to go through international arbitration. Of course it's a 2 way thing too meaning the UK can do the same So we are better off how exactly? We played by the rules before and got fined. We now play by the rules or pay tariffs. It’s not much of a win is it. And international arbitration?. I thought Brexit meant we had control over everything and didn’t have to answer to anyone.?.. So it’s now called arbitration instead of the EU commission! Oh right! Again I’m struggling to see a win financially. " I was just pointing out the previous claim was incorrect. It was the opening position of the EU but not the end result. The difference between international arbitration and the EU court is not just what its called | |||
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"As an Irishman I can’t see how the UK has benefited from Brexit. The economic cost of Brexit 2016-19 exceeded what the UK paid into Europe over 47 years (Bloomberg), your currency has devalued by 25% and as for the deal...... You’ve lost the right to move freely abroad and your qualifications are no longer recognised . Your money and service industry can’t access ours nor can most of your security and if you move away from our EU standards we’ll impose tariffs on you. Not to mention giving us 75% of your fish and the whole of Northern Ireland. It’s a real shame you left us and we’ll lose out too but really was it all worth it!" Whereas Ireland fully embraced being part of the EU, the UK did, but being a old superpower it could not shake off the nostalgia of being a power within its own right. Even though it the UK is now a diminished power it still feels that it should be a power in its own right. Ireland never had that problem, it was a nation which which was subjugated by the British, therefore it does not have the nostalgic empire Hang up that many Brits still have. For them it was the shock of seeing many former enemies living in the UK. The Irish don’t have that real problem as they are quite accepting of immigrants. Also Ireland had more to benefit from being in the EU, whilst the UK living standard was comparable to either Germans or France. | |||
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"You seem to get a lot of Irishmen in here moaning about Brexit. Ah well, the politics of envy I guess "If I moan it’s because I love so many things about the UK and now feel sad. When I was a child in the 60’s on a farm in the far west of Ireland, we had no toilet, no running water, food cooked over an open fire and still some children bare footed, absolute poverty. Today, Ireland has the 4th largest GDP per capita in the world and of countries with over 3 million people, Ireland is the 2nd behind only Singapore. All this started with our alignment with Europe away from solely the UK, As for ‘the politics of envy’........seriously! | |||
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"You seem to get a lot of Irishmen in here moaning about Brexit. Ah well, the politics of envy I guess
If I moan it’s because I love so many things about the UK and now feel sad.
When I was a child in the 60’s on a farm in the far west of Ireland, we had no toilet, no running water, food cooked over an open fire and still some children bare footed, absolute poverty.
Today, Ireland has the 4th largest GDP per capita in the world and of countries with over 3 million people, Ireland is the 2nd behind only Singapore.
All this started with our alignment with Europe away from solely the UK,
As for ‘the politics of envy’........seriously!
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"So the uk gets 25% extra whereas the EU fishermen are losing that amount, guess which side is unhappier ? Of course your favourite propaganda machine wont mention that. How many other large countries outside the EU give half their fishing to another country? You talk so much about buisness I would have thought you would know the difference of 50% and 45%. Do you round all you percentages up at work? Is that the best you’ve got? Come on try harder . Did we get control back of our fishing grounds? The answer is no! Unless we want to pay tariffs. You can grasp as many straws as you like. It’s the EU putting Boris in his place but sadly the workers in the country are the ones who’ll pay. " The answer is yes you yourself was so keen to point out a while back that the uk didnt have enough boats to catch all the fish and people like myself pointed out that the uk did not want all the fish just the control over the right to fish.This has been achieved with reduced eu catches over the next 5 years then the uk decides.Its not that hard to understand. | |||
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"So the uk gets 25% extra whereas the EU fishermen are losing that amount, guess which side is unhappier ? Of course your favourite propaganda machine wont mention that. How many other large countries outside the EU give half their fishing to another country? You talk so much about buisness I would have thought you would know the difference of 50% and 45%. Do you round all you percentages up at work? Is that the best you’ve got? Come on try harder . Did we get control back of our fishing grounds? The answer is no! Unless we want to pay tariffs. You can grasp as many straws as you like. It’s the EU putting Boris in his place but sadly the workers in the country are the ones who’ll pay. The answer is yes you yourself was so keen to point out a while back that the uk didnt have enough boats to catch all the fish and people like myself pointed out that the uk did not want all the fish just the control over the right to fish.This has been achieved with reduced eu catches over the next 5 years then the uk decides.Its not that hard to understand." Indeed we can’t catch the fish which was my point to that to avoid a no deal we should sacrifice the fishing fantasy which is exactly what’s happened. Posters here claimed we should and will take 100% control and fuck the French and Spanish. Oh and the Danish. Did we take 100% of our fishing quota back on leaving the EU as promised by vote leave and Boris? Is that too hard to understand? Yes the U.K. decides if it wants to sell its fish in 5 years or not. It’s a very large kick down the road of that can. It’s another watered down result claimed as victory when you know only too well unless there’s a massive industry uplift will stay where it is today. £100m investment is a drop in the ocean ( pun intended) I’m happy the quotas have been increased for foreign owned U.K. boats. Let’s hope they can catch the quota. The government still have no mechanism to return the ownership of boats hence my comment above on boats registered to Panama. We will have flags of convenience on these trawlers as we do today. That is international law at its finest. Our government give out MOD survey work in the seas around our British coast. The contracts are worth millions. The only stipulation our government have to be awarded a contract is that the captain must be British. So all the crews are foreign based. The new system I fear will be similar because in 5 years Boris will be gone and it like normal the British will forget about the cottage industry. | |||
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"Even this year London is still ranked number one or two of world financial centres by both size and service ranking. No other European city is in the top ten, Frankfurt and Paris 13th and 15th respectively. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Financial_Centres_Index If European companies list stocks, sell debt etc they do it in London and will continue to do so. The EU is the slowest growing continent on Earth, now represents just 15% of the world economy. 90% of global growth is in the rest of the world. Fish? We sold our quotas and boats WHEN WE WERE IN THE EU. The deal simply maintains our current quota level (we don’t have the boats to do more) this year then increases our quota as our fleet increases. The EU is a busted flush, it’s over." Whilst some EU linked City jobs left London, the top 24 financial institutions in the City of London increased their headcount. | |||
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"Even this year London is still ranked number one or two of world financial centres by both size and service ranking. No other European city is in the top ten, Frankfurt and Paris 13th and 15th respectively. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Financial_Centres_Index If European companies list stocks, sell debt etc they do it in London and will continue to do so. The EU is the slowest growing continent on Earth, now represents just 15% of the world economy. 90% of global growth is in the rest of the world. Fish? We sold our quotas and boats WHEN WE WERE IN THE EU. The deal simply maintains our current quota level (we don’t have the boats to do more) this year then increases our quota as our fleet increases. The EU is a busted flush, it’s over." You need to do better homework. You’re claiming that the U.K. losing any banking to the EU is a good thing? This is a fact that business and funds have moved. not all but again do your homework. The EU and U.K. have not agreed the arrangements for finance. This even Boris admits to being less than he hoped for. The banking and investment companies need access both ways to continue trade. There are four models for conducting financial services trade with the EU and I’ll give you a clue. No1 is best No3 Second With number three which is our aim we have to follow EU rules rules. Again we follow the rules still and lose. Copy and paste from here as this describes the options well Passporting: Firms based in EU member states, and non-EU states that are members of the European Economic Area (EEA), can sell their services freely within the bloc under a system known as ‘passporting’. World Trade Organization (WTO) terms:States outside the EEA, or ‘third countries’, typically do business with Europe on the terms outlined in the WTO’s General Agreement on Trade in Services (GATS). Equivalence: Some third countries receive preferable market access rights regarding certain services, on the basis that their laws and supervisory frameworks are deemed ‘equivalent’ to the EU’s by the European Commission and a committee of experts from member states. Free trade agreement (FTA): Other third countries have attempted to cover financial services as part of a broader FTA with the EU. The Comprehensive Economic and Trade Agreement (CETA) between the EU and Canada is the most recent example of this. On your point regarding the EU is done. Their growth next year as predicted by our own government is 4% whereas the U.K. will be lucky to get to 2%. Again figures provide by U.K. government. Most financial institutions predict 1.7 - 2% growth so I’m picking the high figure. So I can’t see the EU imploding just yet. | |||
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"So the uk gets 25% extra whereas the EU fishermen are losing that amount, guess which side is unhappier ? Of course your favourite propaganda machine wont mention that. How many other large countries outside the EU give half their fishing to another country? You talk so much about buisness I would have thought you would know the difference of 50% and 45%. Do you round all you percentages up at work? Is that the best you’ve got? Come on try harder . Did we get control back of our fishing grounds? The answer is no! Unless we want to pay tariffs. You can grasp as many straws as you like. It’s the EU putting Boris in his place but sadly the workers in the country are the ones who’ll pay. The answer is yes you yourself was so keen to point out a while back that the uk didnt have enough boats to catch all the fish and people like myself pointed out that the uk did not want all the fish just the control over the right to fish.This has been achieved with reduced eu catches over the next 5 years then the uk decides.Its not that hard to understand." by using the fish that as many say we don't ( currently) have enough boats to catch it helped get the EU to back down on things like instant tariffs and the rule of the ECJ. Also it gives the UK the option if needed to take the EU to arbitration if member States break the rules | |||
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"And funny you should mention Singapore OP, isn't that what Farage wanted us to become? " If you’re a standard average income worker you better hope we don’t. Look at the mode income in Singapore. It’s bloody terrible. I’m sure Boris would love their PM’s salary of over $2.5m Singapore is the world centre for cronyism. It’s rife and the poor are definitely staying poor. | |||
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"So the uk gets 25% extra whereas the EU fishermen are losing that amount, guess which side is unhappier ? Of course your favourite propaganda machine wont mention that. How many other large countries outside the EU give half their fishing to another country? You talk so much about buisness I would have thought you would know the difference of 50% and 45%. Do you round all you percentages up at work? Is that the best you’ve got? Come on try harder . Did we get control back of our fishing grounds? The answer is no! Unless we want to pay tariffs. You can grasp as many straws as you like. It’s the EU putting Boris in his place but sadly the workers in the country are the ones who’ll pay. The answer is yes you yourself was so keen to point out a while back that the uk didnt have enough boats to catch all the fish and people like myself pointed out that the uk did not want all the fish just the control over the right to fish.This has been achieved with reduced eu catches over the next 5 years then the uk decides.Its not that hard to understand. Indeed we can’t catch the fish which was my point to that to avoid a no deal we should sacrifice the fishing fantasy which is exactly what’s happened. Posters here claimed we should and will take 100% control and fuck the French and Spanish. Oh and the Danish. Did we take 100% of our fishing quota back on leaving the EU as promised by vote leave and Boris? Is that too hard to understand? Yes the U.K. decides if it wants to sell its fish in 5 years or not. It’s a very large kick down the road of that can. It’s another watered down result claimed as victory when you know only too well unless there’s a massive industry uplift will stay where it is today. £100m investment is a drop in the ocean ( pun intended) I’m happy the quotas have been increased for foreign owned U.K. boats. Let’s hope they can catch the quota. The government still have no mechanism to return the ownership of boats hence my comment above on boats registered to Panama. We will have flags of convenience on these trawlers as we do today. That is international law at its finest. Our government give out MOD survey work in the seas around our British coast. The contracts are worth millions. The only stipulation our government have to be awarded a contract is that the captain must be British. So all the crews are foreign based. The new system I fear will be similar because in 5 years Boris will be gone and it like normal the British will forget about the cottage industry. " You’ve lost me, that’s just a word soup. What are you trying to say? | |||
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"You seem to get a lot of Irishmen in here moaning about Brexit. Ah well, the politics of envy I guess
If I moan it’s because I love so many things about the UK and now feel sad.
When I was a child in the 60’s on a farm in the far west of Ireland, we had no toilet, no running water, food cooked over an open fire and still some children bare footed, absolute poverty.
Today, Ireland has the 4th largest GDP per capita in the world and of countries with over 3 million people, Ireland is the 2nd behind only Singapore.
All this started with our alignment with Europe away from solely the UK,
As for ‘the politics of envy’........seriously!
Being the world's biggest tax haven helped "Second . The U.K. has the fine privilege as number 1 Ireland’s low population against Apple, Google and Amazon’s income is making the country wealthy. Our tax haven status is designed to protect the rich from paying their due to us as well as the rest of the world. At least Ireland makes the mega corporations pay tax. it’s just a lower rate. | |||
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"Even this year London is still ranked number one or two of world financial centres by both size and service ranking. No other European city is in the top ten, Frankfurt and Paris 13th and 15th respectively. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Financial_Centres_Index If European companies list stocks, sell debt etc they do it in London and will continue to do so. The EU is the slowest growing continent on Earth, now represents just 15% of the world economy. 90% of global growth is in the rest of the world. Fish? We sold our quotas and boats WHEN WE WERE IN THE EU. The deal simply maintains our current quota level (we don’t have the boats to do more) this year then increases our quota as our fleet increases. The EU is a busted flush, it’s over. You need to do better homework. You’re claiming that the U.K. losing any banking to the EU is a good thing? This is a fact that business and funds have moved. not all but again do your homework. The EU and U.K. have not agreed the arrangements for finance. This even Boris admits to being less than he hoped for. The banking and investment companies need access both ways to continue trade. There are four models for conducting financial services trade with the EU and I’ll give you a clue. No1 is best No3 Second With number three which is our aim we have to follow EU rules rules. Again we follow the rules still and lose. Copy and paste from here as this describes the options well Passporting: Firms based in EU member states, and non-EU states that are members of the European Economic Area (EEA), can sell their services freely within the bloc under a system known as ‘passporting’. World Trade Organization (WTO) terms:States outside the EEA, or ‘third countries’, typically do business with Europe on the terms outlined in the WTO’s General Agreement on Trade in Services (GATS). Equivalence: Some third countries receive preferable market access rights regarding certain services, on the basis that their laws and supervisory frameworks are deemed ‘equivalent’ to the EU’s by the European Commission and a committee of experts from member states. Free trade agreement (FTA): Other third countries have attempted to cover financial services as part of a broader FTA with the EU. The Comprehensive Economic and Trade Agreement (CETA) between the EU and Canada is the most recent example of this. On your point regarding the EU is done. Their growth next year as predicted by our own government is 4% whereas the U.K. will be lucky to get to 2%. Again figures provide by U.K. government. Most financial institutions predict 1.7 - 2% growth so I’m picking the high figure. So I can’t see the EU imploding just yet. " I’d suggest reading back things to yourself before posting them, and asking - does that make sense? For example, what on earth in your third paragraph does “ No1 is best No3 Second” mean? | |||
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"So the uk gets 25% extra whereas the EU fishermen are losing that amount, guess which side is unhappier ? Of course your favourite propaganda machine wont mention that. How many other large countries outside the EU give half their fishing to another country? You talk so much about buisness I would have thought you would know the difference of 50% and 45%. Do you round all you percentages up at work? Is that the best you’ve got? Come on try harder . Did we get control back of our fishing grounds? The answer is no! Unless we want to pay tariffs. You can grasp as many straws as you like. It’s the EU putting Boris in his place but sadly the workers in the country are the ones who’ll pay. The answer is yes you yourself was so keen to point out a while back that the uk didnt have enough boats to catch all the fish and people like myself pointed out that the uk did not want all the fish just the control over the right to fish.This has been achieved with reduced eu catches over the next 5 years then the uk decides.Its not that hard to understand. Indeed we can’t catch the fish which was my point to that to avoid a no deal we should sacrifice the fishing fantasy which is exactly what’s happened. Posters here claimed we should and will take 100% control and fuck the French and Spanish. Oh and the Danish. Did we take 100% of our fishing quota back on leaving the EU as promised by vote leave and Boris? Is that too hard to understand? Yes the U.K. decides if it wants to sell its fish in 5 years or not. It’s a very large kick down the road of that can. It’s another watered down result claimed as victory when you know only too well unless there’s a massive industry uplift will stay where it is today. £100m investment is a drop in the ocean ( pun intended) I’m happy the quotas have been increased for foreign owned U.K. boats. Let’s hope they can catch the quota. The government still have no mechanism to return the ownership of boats hence my comment above on boats registered to Panama. We will have flags of convenience on these trawlers as we do today. That is international law at its finest. Our government give out MOD survey work in the seas around our British coast. The contracts are worth millions. The only stipulation our government have to be awarded a contract is that the captain must be British. So all the crews are foreign based. The new system I fear will be similar because in 5 years Boris will be gone and it like normal the British will forget about the cottage industry. " What some posters on here posted is irrelevant, a gradual reduction of eu boats was the sensible way to go as we firstly dont have the boats to catch all the fish and it has negated the threat of tariffs on fish, whats not to like? In 2026 the new negotiations will take place by which time with government backing we will have more boats and with trade deals around the world the uk will have found cheaper alternatives to the eu and they will become less relevent. | |||
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"Even this year London is still ranked number one or two of world financial centres by both size and service ranking. No other European city is in the top ten, Frankfurt and Paris 13th and 15th respectively. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Financial_Centres_Index If European companies list stocks, sell debt etc they do it in London and will continue to do so. The EU is the slowest growing continent on Earth, now represents just 15% of the world economy. 90% of global growth is in the rest of the world. Fish? We sold our quotas and boats WHEN WE WERE IN THE EU. The deal simply maintains our current quota level (we don’t have the boats to do more) this year then increases our quota as our fleet increases. The EU is a busted flush, it’s over. You need to do better homework. You’re claiming that the U.K. losing any banking to the EU is a good thing? This is a fact that business and funds have moved. not all but again do your homework. The EU and U.K. have not agreed the arrangements for finance. This even Boris admits to being less than he hoped for. The banking and investment companies need access both ways to continue trade. There are four models for conducting financial services trade with the EU and I’ll give you a clue. No1 is best No3 Second With number three which is our aim we have to follow EU rules rules. Again we follow the rules still and lose. Copy and paste from here as this describes the options well Passporting: Firms based in EU member states, and non-EU states that are members of the European Economic Area (EEA), can sell their services freely within the bloc under a system known as ‘passporting’. World Trade Organization (WTO) terms:States outside the EEA, or ‘third countries’, typically do business with Europe on the terms outlined in the WTO’s General Agreement on Trade in Services (GATS). Equivalence: Some third countries receive preferable market access rights regarding certain services, on the basis that their laws and supervisory frameworks are deemed ‘equivalent’ to the EU’s by the European Commission and a committee of experts from member states. Free trade agreement (FTA): Other third countries have attempted to cover financial services as part of a broader FTA with the EU. The Comprehensive Economic and Trade Agreement (CETA) between the EU and Canada is the most recent example of this. On your point regarding the EU is done. Their growth next year as predicted by our own government is 4% whereas the U.K. will be lucky to get to 2%. Again figures provide by U.K. government. Most financial institutions predict 1.7 - 2% growth so I’m picking the high figure. So I can’t see the EU imploding just yet. I’d suggest reading back things to yourself before posting them, and asking - does that make sense? For example, what on earth in your third paragraph does “ No1 is best No3 Second” mean?" Comprehension not your thing? Lets see if I can help you. Four options were outlined, Option one is the best, while option three is the second best. I hope that helps you understand. | |||
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"So the uk gets 25% extra whereas the EU fishermen are losing that amount, guess which side is unhappier ? Of course your favourite propaganda machine wont mention that. How many other large countries outside the EU give half their fishing to another country? You talk so much about buisness I would have thought you would know the difference of 50% and 45%. Do you round all you percentages up at work? Is that the best you’ve got? Come on try harder . Did we get control back of our fishing grounds? The answer is no! Unless we want to pay tariffs. You can grasp as many straws as you like. It’s the EU putting Boris in his place but sadly the workers in the country are the ones who’ll pay. The answer is yes you yourself was so keen to point out a while back that the uk didnt have enough boats to catch all the fish and people like myself pointed out that the uk did not want all the fish just the control over the right to fish.This has been achieved with reduced eu catches over the next 5 years then the uk decides.Its not that hard to understand. Indeed we can’t catch the fish which was my point to that to avoid a no deal we should sacrifice the fishing fantasy which is exactly what’s happened. Posters here claimed we should and will take 100% control and fuck the French and Spanish. Oh and the Danish. Did we take 100% of our fishing quota back on leaving the EU as promised by vote leave and Boris? Is that too hard to understand? Yes the U.K. decides if it wants to sell its fish in 5 years or not. It’s a very large kick down the road of that can. It’s another watered down result claimed as victory when you know only too well unless there’s a massive industry uplift will stay where it is today. £100m investment is a drop in the ocean ( pun intended) I’m happy the quotas have been increased for foreign owned U.K. boats. Let’s hope they can catch the quota. The government still have no mechanism to return the ownership of boats hence my comment above on boats registered to Panama. We will have flags of convenience on these trawlers as we do today. That is international law at its finest. Our government give out MOD survey work in the seas around our British coast. The contracts are worth millions. The only stipulation our government have to be awarded a contract is that the captain must be British. So all the crews are foreign based. The new system I fear will be similar because in 5 years Boris will be gone and it like normal the British will forget about the cottage industry. What some posters on here posted is irrelevant, a gradual reduction of eu boats was the sensible way to go as we firstly dont have the boats to catch all the fish and it has negated the threat of tariffs on fish, whats not to like? In 2026 the new negotiations will take place by which time with government backing we will have more boats and with trade deals around the world the uk will have found cheaper alternatives to the eu and they will become less relevent. " So you won’t answer my question about the definite 100% promises, and just add a comment about blue sky thinking. Global shipping rates to the world are hardening as the major fleets are scrapping ships this time around rather than selling so reducing capacity and therefore keeping margins up. If this continues then the cheaper alternative deals will be very hard to supply economically as opposed to the EU trade on our doorstep. Also fresh fish is demanded around the world whereas we eat any old frozen shit. Valuable fish is airfreighted. Sadly most of what’s caught in the U.K. waters isn’t valuable apart from shellfish which is mostly exported already and the sea probably can’t take much more of a higher catch. Farming is the answer. | |||
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"Even this year London is still ranked number one or two of world financial centres by both size and service ranking. No other European city is in the top ten, Frankfurt and Paris 13th and 15th respectively. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Financial_Centres_Index If European companies list stocks, sell debt etc they do it in London and will continue to do so. The EU is the slowest growing continent on Earth, now represents just 15% of the world economy. 90% of global growth is in the rest of the world. Fish? We sold our quotas and boats WHEN WE WERE IN THE EU. The deal simply maintains our current quota level (we don’t have the boats to do more) this year then increases our quota as our fleet increases. The EU is a busted flush, it’s over. You need to do better homework. You’re claiming that the U.K. losing any banking to the EU is a good thing? This is a fact that business and funds have moved. not all but again do your homework. The EU and U.K. have not agreed the arrangements for finance. This even Boris admits to being less than he hoped for. The banking and investment companies need access both ways to continue trade. There are four models for conducting financial services trade with the EU and I’ll give you a clue. No1 is best No3 Second With number three which is our aim we have to follow EU rules rules. Again we follow the rules still and lose. Copy and paste from here as this describes the options well Passporting: Firms based in EU member states, and non-EU states that are members of the European Economic Area (EEA), can sell their services freely within the bloc under a system known as ‘passporting’. World Trade Organization (WTO) terms:States outside the EEA, or ‘third countries’, typically do business with Europe on the terms outlined in the WTO’s General Agreement on Trade in Services (GATS). Equivalence: Some third countries receive preferable market access rights regarding certain services, on the basis that their laws and supervisory frameworks are deemed ‘equivalent’ to the EU’s by the European Commission and a committee of experts from member states. Free trade agreement (FTA): Other third countries have attempted to cover financial services as part of a broader FTA with the EU. The Comprehensive Economic and Trade Agreement (CETA) between the EU and Canada is the most recent example of this. On your point regarding the EU is done. Their growth next year as predicted by our own government is 4% whereas the U.K. will be lucky to get to 2%. Again figures provide by U.K. government. Most financial institutions predict 1.7 - 2% growth so I’m picking the high figure. So I can’t see the EU imploding just yet. I’d suggest reading back things to yourself before posting them, and asking - does that make sense? For example, what on earth in your third paragraph does “ No1 is best No3 Second” mean? Comprehension not your thing? Lets see if I can help you. Four options were outlined, Option one is the best, while option three is the second best. I hope that helps you understand." | |||
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" It's over, the UK got pretty much everything it wanted and the majority of the country are happy with it
I hope you're right and I guess we'll know more after Wednesday "There's a song by prefab sprout with the line "the lies we tell, they only serve to fool ourselves" | |||
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"As an Irishman I can’t see how the UK has benefited from Brexit. The economic cost of Brexit 2016-19 exceeded what the UK paid into Europe over 47 years (Bloomberg), your currency has devalued by 25% and as for the deal...... You’ve lost the right to move freely abroad and your qualifications are no longer recognised . Your money and service industry can’t access ours nor can most of your security and if you move away from our EU standards we’ll impose tariffs on you. Not to mention giving us 75% of your fish and the whole of Northern Ireland. It’s a real shame you left us and we’ll lose out too but really was it all worth it!" Is it a good deal.... depends on what the comparison is! Compared to no deal..... sure Compared to what we had.... nope.... and even no deal economists admit that the GDP of the economy will shrink | |||
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"You seem to get a lot of Irishmen in here moaning about Brexit. Ah well, the politics of envy I guess
If I moan it’s because I love so many things about the UK and now feel sad.
When I was a child in the 60’s on a farm in the far west of Ireland, we had no toilet, no running water, food cooked over an open fire and still some children bare footed, absolute poverty.
Today, Ireland has the 4th largest GDP per capita in the world and of countries with over 3 million people, Ireland is the 2nd behind only Singapore.
All this started with our alignment with Europe away from solely the UK,
As for ‘the politics of envy’........seriously!
Being the world's biggest tax haven helped
Second . The U.K. has the fine privilege as number 1
Ireland’s low population against Apple, Google and Amazon’s income is making the country wealthy.
Our tax haven status is designed to protect the rich from paying their due to us as well as the rest of the world. At least Ireland makes the mega corporations pay tax. it’s just a lower rate. "You only have to Google the world's biggest tax haven Can you not remember a few years ago when Ireland was one of the PIGS and had to be bailed out with the help of the UK? Any success since then has been down to the low tax regime rather than EU membership but the EU will put a stop to that one way or another | |||
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" I’d suggest reading back things to yourself before posting them, and asking - does that make sense? For example, what on earth in your third paragraph does “ No1 is best No3 Second” mean? Comprehension not your thing? Lets see if I can help you. Four options were outlined, Option one is the best, while option three is the second best. I hope that helps you understand." It can’t mean that because his next line was: “With number three which is our aim we have to follow EU rules rules. Again we follow the rules still and lose.“ People need to put their case succinctly and if you’re going to make numbered points to stick to those numbers in order. Otherwise it’s just a word soup. | |||
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"According to this article the Irish fishermen aren’t happy??? https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/irish-fishing-communities-will-be-disappointed-by-brexit-deal-taoiseach-says-1.4445321" Its quite amusing how they have all gone quiet on the fishing front | |||
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"And funny you should mention Singapore OP, isn't that what Farage wanted us to become? If you’re a standard average income worker you better hope we don’t. Look at the mode income in Singapore. It’s bloody terrible. I’m sure Boris would love their PM’s salary of over $2.5m Singapore is the world centre for cronyism. It’s rife and the poor are definitely staying poor. " Sounds like a tory wet dream | |||
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"According to this article the Irish fishermen aren’t happy??? https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/irish-fishing-communities-will-be-disappointed-by-brexit-deal-taoiseach-says-1.4445321 Its quite amusing how they have all gone quiet on the fishing front " | |||
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"As an Irishman I can’t see how the UK has benefited from Brexit. The economic cost of Brexit 2016-19 exceeded what the UK paid into Europe over 47 years (Bloomberg), your currency has devalued by 25% and as for the deal...... You’ve lost the right to move freely abroad and your qualifications are no longer recognised . Your money and service industry can’t access ours nor can most of your security and if you move away from our EU standards we’ll impose tariffs on you. Not to mention giving us 75% of your fish and the whole of Northern Ireland. It’s a real shame you left us and we’ll lose out too but really was it all worth it! Is it a good deal.... depends on what the comparison is! Compared to no deal..... sure Compared to what we had.... nope.... and even no deal economists admit that the GDP of the economy will shrink " As we voted to leave and then voted in a GE for a government committed to leaving you have to compare it to the available options. It's a lot harder brexit than some wanted but we have free trade, no ECJ, maintaining current standards with no obligations to follow future standards, independent arbitration that works BOTH ways, increased fishing with regular reviews not the decade's long agreement the EU wanted.all this without paying for membership. Seems like a normal agreement. Of course we must hold judgment for the fine details but on the face of it for a pathetic little country we are supposed to be it looks good | |||
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"And funny you should mention Singapore OP, isn't that what Farage wanted us to become? If you’re a standard average income worker you better hope we don’t. Look at the mode income in Singapore. It’s bloody terrible. I’m sure Boris would love their PM’s salary of over $2.5m Singapore is the world centre for cronyism. It’s rife and the poor are definitely staying poor. Sounds like a tory wet dream " But the OP was saying how high the GDP per capita was there. Which is it? | |||
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"You seem to get a lot of Irishmen in here moaning about Brexit. Ah well, the politics of envy I guess
If I moan it’s because I love so many things about the UK and now feel sad.
When I was a child in the 60’s on a farm in the far west of Ireland, we had no toilet, no running water, food cooked over an open fire and still some children bare footed, absolute poverty.
Today, Ireland has the 4th largest GDP per capita in the world and of countries with over 3 million people, Ireland is the 2nd behind only Singapore.
All this started with our alignment with Europe away from solely the UK,
As for ‘the politics of envy’........seriously!
Being the world's biggest tax haven helped
Second . The U.K. has the fine privilege as number 1
Ireland’s low population against Apple, Google and Amazon’s income is making the country wealthy.
Our tax haven status is designed to protect the rich from paying their due to us as well as the rest of the world. At least Ireland makes the mega corporations pay tax. it’s just a lower rate.
You only have to Google the world's biggest tax haven
Can you not remember a few years ago when Ireland was one of the PIGS and had to be bailed out with the help of the UK? Any success since then has been down to the low tax regime rather than EU membership but the EU will put a stop to that one way or another "Sorry I didn’t explain well. You pay low tax in Ireland at 12% hense Amazon etc In the U.K. you didn’t pay any as a non domicile or if you register in the British Virgin isles which are a U.K. controlled dominion. That tax haven is managed mostly through London. According to the world bank they can visibly see $450B of legally avoided tax in the world of which 65% is managed through London. The invisible could be 5-10 times more. Ireland makes you pay tax but at a much lower rate than can be found anywhere in a stable western country. Stable is key . They could register in Dubai and pay no tax at all but the Prince there can change his mind after breakfast and make you pay 90% tax. Amazon is too big to try tax evasion. So has to show where the money goes. | |||
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"And funny you should mention Singapore OP, isn't that what Farage wanted us to become? If you’re a standard average income worker you better hope we don’t. Look at the mode income in Singapore. It’s bloody terrible. I’m sure Boris would love their PM’s salary of over $2.5m Singapore is the world centre for cronyism. It’s rife and the poor are definitely staying poor. Sounds like a tory wet dream But the OP was saying how high the GDP per capita was there. Which is it? " The number is an average so if in a country of 100 people 10 of them earn a million pounds a year but 90 earn 1000 pounds a year the average ie GDP Is 10,090,000 divided by 100 which equals £100,900 per person GDP There are a lot more factors to include but it explains the point So the number looks great per person but in reality the actual earnings is crap for 90% of the people . Does that help? Mode is “most common” so the most common wage in Singapore is very low indeed. They have a very very rich elite . | |||
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"According to this article the Irish fishermen aren’t happy??? https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/irish-fishing-communities-will-be-disappointed-by-brexit-deal-taoiseach-says-1.4445321 Its quite amusing how they have all gone quiet on the fishing front " What have we been debating on here oh wait a minute fishing put the xmas sherry away mate. | |||
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"Apple is still being challenged about its tax affairs in ROI. " Yes and the EU are bringing legislation in, that would have challenged London’s tax evaders too. . We in this country would have got that tax paid to the U.K. government not the EU. But amazingly some rich backers paid for the leave campaign. So generous of them. We’ve been had ! The rich keep their money and we the population are worse off in virtually every way. I bet Boris will be in a nice few earners as a non executive board member as soon as the Tories turn on him. | |||
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"The worst foreign policy decision made by this country since the Second World War. " Why care to back it up with some facts or are you just another random soundbite poster? | |||
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"Apple is still being challenged about its tax affairs in ROI. Yes and the EU are bringing legislation in, that would have challenged London’s tax evaders too. . We in this country would have got that tax paid to the U.K. government not the EU. But amazingly some rich backers paid for the leave campaign. So generous of them. We’ve been had ! The rich keep their money and we the population are worse off in virtually every way. I bet Boris will be in a nice few earners as a non executive board member as soon as the Tories turn on him. " Aren't the EU ATAD tax laws already in our laws?  | |||
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"You seem to get a lot of Irishmen in here moaning about Brexit. Ah well, the politics of envy I guess
If I moan it’s because I love so many things about the UK and now feel sad.
When I was a child in the 60’s on a farm in the far west of Ireland, we had no toilet, no running water, food cooked over an open fire and still some children bare footed, absolute poverty.
Today, Ireland has the 4th largest GDP per capita in the world and of countries with over 3 million people, Ireland is the 2nd behind only Singapore.
All this started with our alignment with Europe away from solely the UK,
As for ‘the politics of envy’........seriously!
Being the world's biggest tax haven helped
Second . The U.K. has the fine privilege as number 1
Ireland’s low population against Apple, Google and Amazon’s income is making the country wealthy.
Our tax haven status is designed to protect the rich from paying their due to us as well as the rest of the world. At least Ireland makes the mega corporations pay tax. it’s just a lower rate.
You only have to Google the world's biggest tax haven
Can you not remember a few years ago when Ireland was one of the PIGS and had to be bailed out with the help of the UK? Any success since then has been down to the low tax regime rather than EU membership but the EU will put a stop to that one way or another
Sorry I didn’t explain well.
You pay low tax in Ireland at 12% hense Amazon etc
In the U.K. you didn’t pay any as a non domicile or if you register in the British Virgin isles which are a U.K. controlled dominion. That tax haven is managed mostly through London.
According to the world bank they can visibly see $450B of legally avoided tax in the world of which 65% is managed through London.
The invisible could be 5-10 times more.
Ireland makes you pay tax but at a much lower rate than can be found anywhere in a stable western country.
Stable is key .
They could register in Dubai and pay no tax at all but the Prince there can change his mind after breakfast and make you pay 90% tax.
Amazon is too big to try tax evasion. So has to show where the money goes.
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"You seem to get a lot of Irishmen in here moaning about Brexit. Ah well, the politics of envy I guess
If I moan it’s because I love so many things about the UK and now feel sad.
When I was a child in the 60’s on a farm in the far west of Ireland, we had no toilet, no running water, food cooked over an open fire and still some children bare footed, absolute poverty.
Today, Ireland has the 4th largest GDP per capita in the world and of countries with over 3 million people, Ireland is the 2nd behind only Singapore.
All this started with our alignment with Europe away from solely the UK,
As for ‘the politics of envy’........seriously!
Being the world's biggest tax haven helped
Second . The U.K. has the fine privilege as number 1
Ireland’s low population against Apple, Google and Amazon’s income is making the country wealthy.
Our tax haven status is designed to protect the rich from paying their due to us as well as the rest of the world. At least Ireland makes the mega corporations pay tax. it’s just a lower rate.
You only have to Google the world's biggest tax haven
Can you not remember a few years ago when Ireland was one of the PIGS and had to be bailed out with the help of the UK? Any success since then has been down to the low tax regime rather than EU membership but the EU will put a stop to that one way or another
Sorry I didn’t explain well.
You pay low tax in Ireland at 12% hense Amazon etc
In the U.K. you didn’t pay any as a non domicile or if you register in the British Virgin isles which are a U.K. controlled dominion. That tax haven is managed mostly through London.
According to the world bank they can visibly see $450B of legally avoided tax in the world of which 65% is managed through London.
The invisible could be 5-10 times more.
Ireland makes you pay tax but at a much lower rate than can be found anywhere in a stable western country.
Stable is key .
They could register in Dubai and pay no tax at all but the Prince there can change his mind after breakfast and make you pay 90% tax.
Amazon is too big to try tax evasion. So has to show where the money goes.
I would not be surprised to see the UK lower its taxes to match or even undercut ROI now. The chancellor was hinting at changes yesterday for the financial sector"So lower taxes for the rich? | |||
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"You seem to get a lot of Irishmen in here moaning about Brexit. Ah well, the politics of envy I guess
If I moan it’s because I love so many things about the UK and now feel sad.
When I was a child in the 60’s on a farm in the far west of Ireland, we had no toilet, no running water, food cooked over an open fire and still some children bare footed, absolute poverty.
Today, Ireland has the 4th largest GDP per capita in the world and of countries with over 3 million people, Ireland is the 2nd behind only Singapore.
All this started with our alignment with Europe away from solely the UK,
As for ‘the politics of envy’........seriously!
Being the world's biggest tax haven helped
Second . The U.K. has the fine privilege as number 1
Ireland’s low population against Apple, Google and Amazon’s income is making the country wealthy.
Our tax haven status is designed to protect the rich from paying their due to us as well as the rest of the world. At least Ireland makes the mega corporations pay tax. it’s just a lower rate.
You only have to Google the world's biggest tax haven
Can you not remember a few years ago when Ireland was one of the PIGS and had to be bailed out with the help of the UK? Any success since then has been down to the low tax regime rather than EU membership but the EU will put a stop to that one way or another
Sorry I didn’t explain well.
You pay low tax in Ireland at 12% hense Amazon etc
In the U.K. you didn’t pay any as a non domicile or if you register in the British Virgin isles which are a U.K. controlled dominion. That tax haven is managed mostly through London.
According to the world bank they can visibly see $450B of legally avoided tax in the world of which 65% is managed through London.
The invisible could be 5-10 times more.
Ireland makes you pay tax but at a much lower rate than can be found anywhere in a stable western country.
Stable is key .
They could register in Dubai and pay no tax at all but the Prince there can change his mind after breakfast and make you pay 90% tax.
Amazon is too big to try tax evasion. So has to show where the money goes.
I would not be surprised to see the UK lower its taxes to match or even undercut ROI now. The chancellor was hinting at changes yesterday for the financial sector"If they don’t get the access in full to the EU the city will start moving if they start to lose business . Being a low tax regime will help in the short term but close the door to the EU a little more. I wouldn’t want Sunak’s job right now. On another thing for you all. You will start to see the quantitive easing being mentioned by the government and the Bank of England. This is basically printing money to keep the economy moving after Covid and Brexit have seen us suffering and increasing debt. The result of this method reduces the value of currency in real terms in the U.K. so if you have savings you might be better buying property rather than savings. Property is set to fall but if it doesn’t recover over the next two years our economy will be in the toilet so all government effort will be on keeping houses valuable. If houses don’t recover tell your kids to emigrate. Just an update from one of the big four accountancy firms last night so not my advice just repeating. | |||
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"You seem to get a lot of Irishmen in here moaning about Brexit. Ah well, the politics of envy I guess
If I moan it’s because I love so many things about the UK and now feel sad.
When I was a child in the 60’s on a farm in the far west of Ireland, we had no toilet, no running water, food cooked over an open fire and still some children bare footed, absolute poverty.
Today, Ireland has the 4th largest GDP per capita in the world and of countries with over 3 million people, Ireland is the 2nd behind only Singapore.
All this started with our alignment with Europe away from solely the UK,
As for ‘the politics of envy’........seriously!
Being the world's biggest tax haven helped
Second . The U.K. has the fine privilege as number 1
Ireland’s low population against Apple, Google and Amazon’s income is making the country wealthy.
Our tax haven status is designed to protect the rich from paying their due to us as well as the rest of the world. At least Ireland makes the mega corporations pay tax. it’s just a lower rate.
You only have to Google the world's biggest tax haven
Can you not remember a few years ago when Ireland was one of the PIGS and had to be bailed out with the help of the UK? Any success since then has been down to the low tax regime rather than EU membership but the EU will put a stop to that one way or another
Sorry I didn’t explain well.
You pay low tax in Ireland at 12% hense Amazon etc
In the U.K. you didn’t pay any as a non domicile or if you register in the British Virgin isles which are a U.K. controlled dominion. That tax haven is managed mostly through London.
According to the world bank they can visibly see $450B of legally avoided tax in the world of which 65% is managed through London.
The invisible could be 5-10 times more.
Ireland makes you pay tax but at a much lower rate than can be found anywhere in a stable western country.
Stable is key .
They could register in Dubai and pay no tax at all but the Prince there can change his mind after breakfast and make you pay 90% tax.
Amazon is too big to try tax evasion. So has to show where the money goes.
I would not be surprised to see the UK lower its taxes to match or even undercut ROI now. The chancellor was hinting at changes yesterday for the financial sector
So lower taxes for the rich?"No sorry I should have been clearer. I mean business rates not income tax. He seemed to be saying they will make changes and I was thinking levelling to match Ireland or even undercut them | |||
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"You seem to get a lot of Irishmen in here moaning about Brexit. Ah well, the politics of envy I guess
If I moan it’s because I love so many things about the UK and now feel sad.
When I was a child in the 60’s on a farm in the far west of Ireland, we had no toilet, no running water, food cooked over an open fire and still some children bare footed, absolute poverty.
Today, Ireland has the 4th largest GDP per capita in the world and of countries with over 3 million people, Ireland is the 2nd behind only Singapore.
All this started with our alignment with Europe away from solely the UK,
As for ‘the politics of envy’........seriously!
Being the world's biggest tax haven helped
Second . The U.K. has the fine privilege as number 1
Ireland’s low population against Apple, Google and Amazon’s income is making the country wealthy.
Our tax haven status is designed to protect the rich from paying their due to us as well as the rest of the world. At least Ireland makes the mega corporations pay tax. it’s just a lower rate.
You only have to Google the world's biggest tax haven
Can you not remember a few years ago when Ireland was one of the PIGS and had to be bailed out with the help of the UK? Any success since then has been down to the low tax regime rather than EU membership but the EU will put a stop to that one way or another
Sorry I didn’t explain well.
You pay low tax in Ireland at 12% hense Amazon etc
In the U.K. you didn’t pay any as a non domicile or if you register in the British Virgin isles which are a U.K. controlled dominion. That tax haven is managed mostly through London.
According to the world bank they can visibly see $450B of legally avoided tax in the world of which 65% is managed through London.
The invisible could be 5-10 times more.
Ireland makes you pay tax but at a much lower rate than can be found anywhere in a stable western country.
Stable is key .
They could register in Dubai and pay no tax at all but the Prince there can change his mind after breakfast and make you pay 90% tax.
Amazon is too big to try tax evasion. So has to show where the money goes.
I would not be surprised to see the UK lower its taxes to match or even undercut ROI now. The chancellor was hinting at changes yesterday for the financial sector
If they don’t get the access in full to the EU the city will start moving if they start to lose business . Being a low tax regime will help in the short term but close the door to the EU a little more. I wouldn’t want Sunak’s job right now.
On another thing for you all. You will start to see the quantitive easing being mentioned by the government and the Bank of England.
This is basically printing money to keep the economy moving after Covid and Brexit have seen us suffering and increasing debt.
The result of this method reduces the value of currency in real terms in the U.K. so if you have savings you might be better buying property rather than savings.
Property is set to fall but if it doesn’t recover over the next two years our economy will be in the toilet so all government effort will be on keeping houses valuable. If houses don’t recover tell your kids to emigrate.
Just an update from one of the big four accountancy firms last night so not my advice just repeating. "That’s weird I thought QE started with the financial crash of 2008 WHEN WE WERE IN THE EU I thought the last house price crashes were in 1995 and 1992 WHEN WE WERE IN THE EU I though we sold our fishing quotas and boats WHEN WE WERE IN THE EU Let me check...l Oh yes that’s all true. | |||
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"You seem to get a lot of Irishmen in here moaning about Brexit. Ah well, the politics of envy I guess
If I moan it’s because I love so many things about the UK and now feel sad.
When I was a child in the 60’s on a farm in the far west of Ireland, we had no toilet, no running water, food cooked over an open fire and still some children bare footed, absolute poverty.
Today, Ireland has the 4th largest GDP per capita in the world and of countries with over 3 million people, Ireland is the 2nd behind only Singapore.
All this started with our alignment with Europe away from solely the UK,
As for ‘the politics of envy’........seriously!
Being the world's biggest tax haven helped
Second . The U.K. has the fine privilege as number 1
Ireland’s low population against Apple, Google and Amazon’s income is making the country wealthy.
Our tax haven status is designed to protect the rich from paying their due to us as well as the rest of the world. At least Ireland makes the mega corporations pay tax. it’s just a lower rate.
You only have to Google the world's biggest tax haven
Can you not remember a few years ago when Ireland was one of the PIGS and had to be bailed out with the help of the UK? Any success since then has been down to the low tax regime rather than EU membership but the EU will put a stop to that one way or another
Sorry I didn’t explain well.
You pay low tax in Ireland at 12% hense Amazon etc
In the U.K. you didn’t pay any as a non domicile or if you register in the British Virgin isles which are a U.K. controlled dominion. That tax haven is managed mostly through London.
According to the world bank they can visibly see $450B of legally avoided tax in the world of which 65% is managed through London.
The invisible could be 5-10 times more.
Ireland makes you pay tax but at a much lower rate than can be found anywhere in a stable western country.
Stable is key .
They could register in Dubai and pay no tax at all but the Prince there can change his mind after breakfast and make you pay 90% tax.
Amazon is too big to try tax evasion. So has to show where the money goes.
I would not be surprised to see the UK lower its taxes to match or even undercut ROI now. The chancellor was hinting at changes yesterday for the financial sector
So lower taxes for the rich?
No sorry I should have been clearer. I mean business rates not income tax. He seemed to be saying they will make changes and I was thinking levelling to match Ireland or even undercut them"If we do that we have to be very careful as that will send a massive negative nod to the EU and they may close the door to our financial services. The city needs to be the worlds bank and we can’t afford to lose that. That’s not me, that’s financial facts as it’s a huge part of our economy in respect of balance of payments and jobs. £4Billion a month positive income for the U.K. | |||
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"You seem to get a lot of Irishmen in here moaning about Brexit. Ah well, the politics of envy I guess
If I moan it’s because I love so many things about the UK and now feel sad.
When I was a child in the 60’s on a farm in the far west of Ireland, we had no toilet, no running water, food cooked over an open fire and still some children bare footed, absolute poverty.
Today, Ireland has the 4th largest GDP per capita in the world and of countries with over 3 million people, Ireland is the 2nd behind only Singapore.
All this started with our alignment with Europe away from solely the UK,
As for ‘the politics of envy’........seriously!
Being the world's biggest tax haven helped
Second . The U.K. has the fine privilege as number 1
Ireland’s low population against Apple, Google and Amazon’s income is making the country wealthy.
Our tax haven status is designed to protect the rich from paying their due to us as well as the rest of the world. At least Ireland makes the mega corporations pay tax. it’s just a lower rate.
You only have to Google the world's biggest tax haven
Can you not remember a few years ago when Ireland was one of the PIGS and had to be bailed out with the help of the UK? Any success since then has been down to the low tax regime rather than EU membership but the EU will put a stop to that one way or another
Sorry I didn’t explain well.
You pay low tax in Ireland at 12% hense Amazon etc
In the U.K. you didn’t pay any as a non domicile or if you register in the British Virgin isles which are a U.K. controlled dominion. That tax haven is managed mostly through London.
According to the world bank they can visibly see $450B of legally avoided tax in the world of which 65% is managed through London.
The invisible could be 5-10 times more.
Ireland makes you pay tax but at a much lower rate than can be found anywhere in a stable western country.
Stable is key .
They could register in Dubai and pay no tax at all but the Prince there can change his mind after breakfast and make you pay 90% tax.
Amazon is too big to try tax evasion. So has to show where the money goes.
I would not be surprised to see the UK lower its taxes to match or even undercut ROI now. The chancellor was hinting at changes yesterday for the financial sector
So lower taxes for the rich?
No sorry I should have been clearer. I mean business rates not income tax. He seemed to be saying they will make changes and I was thinking levelling to match Ireland or even undercut them
If we do that we have to be very careful as that will send a massive negative nod to the EU and they may close the door to our financial services.
The city needs to be the worlds bank and we can’t afford to lose that. That’s not me, that’s financial facts as it’s a huge part of our economy in respect of balance of payments and jobs.
£4Billion a month positive income for the U.K."It was an observation after hearing the chancellor. As some on here say the financial sector is not covered by the deal so not sure it is relevant. If it is making it the same as Ireland cannot be complained about as they are in the EU | |||
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"Is this the same QE that the EU use pumping trillions of euros in the the economy" Probably I’m not arguing against it I’m repeating the warning from the big accountancy houses. | |||
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"You seem to get a lot of Irishmen in here moaning about Brexit. Ah well, the politics of envy I guess
If I moan it’s because I love so many things about the UK and now feel sad.
When I was a child in the 60’s on a farm in the far west of Ireland, we had no toilet, no running water, food cooked over an open fire and still some children bare footed, absolute poverty.
Today, Ireland has the 4th largest GDP per capita in the world and of countries with over 3 million people, Ireland is the 2nd behind only Singapore.
All this started with our alignment with Europe away from solely the UK,
As for ‘the politics of envy’........seriously!
Being the world's biggest tax haven helped
Second . The U.K. has the fine privilege as number 1
Ireland’s low population against Apple, Google and Amazon’s income is making the country wealthy.
Our tax haven status is designed to protect the rich from paying their due to us as well as the rest of the world. At least Ireland makes the mega corporations pay tax. it’s just a lower rate.
You only have to Google the world's biggest tax haven
Can you not remember a few years ago when Ireland was one of the PIGS and had to be bailed out with the help of the UK? Any success since then has been down to the low tax regime rather than EU membership but the EU will put a stop to that one way or another
Sorry I didn’t explain well.
You pay low tax in Ireland at 12% hense Amazon etc
In the U.K. you didn’t pay any as a non domicile or if you register in the British Virgin isles which are a U.K. controlled dominion. That tax haven is managed mostly through London.
According to the world bank they can visibly see $450B of legally avoided tax in the world of which 65% is managed through London.
The invisible could be 5-10 times more.
Ireland makes you pay tax but at a much lower rate than can be found anywhere in a stable western country.
Stable is key .
They could register in Dubai and pay no tax at all but the Prince there can change his mind after breakfast and make you pay 90% tax.
Amazon is too big to try tax evasion. So has to show where the money goes.
I would not be surprised to see the UK lower its taxes to match or even undercut ROI now. The chancellor was hinting at changes yesterday for the financial sector
So lower taxes for the rich?
No sorry I should have been clearer. I mean business rates not income tax. He seemed to be saying they will make changes and I was thinking levelling to match Ireland or even undercut them
If we do that we have to be very careful as that will send a massive negative nod to the EU and they may close the door to our financial services.
The city needs to be the worlds bank and we can’t afford to lose that. That’s not me, that’s financial facts as it’s a huge part of our economy in respect of balance of payments and jobs.
£4Billion a month positive income for the U.K.
It was an observation after hearing the chancellor. As some on here say the financial sector is not covered by the deal so not sure it is relevant. If it is making it the same as Ireland cannot be complained about as they are in the EU"And we’re not in the EU anymore. So the the point is the EU are trying to stop the low tax regimes. So they are going after Amazon etc. Ireland are resisting but not too much. The EU can just tell us to fuck off once they get control of the incomes in the EU and stop tax avoidance . The principal is if like Starbucks you make a profit in the U.K. you pay it in the U.K. not in a low tax regime country. It’s basically the EU trying to clean up the tax avoidance regimes . Which would have included ours. | |||
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"Is this the same QE that the EU use pumping trillions of euros in the the economy Probably I’m not arguing against it I’m repeating the warning from the big accountancy houses." Thought it was odd to argue against a policy the EU uses themselves. I take it the risks you quote is the same for the EU | |||
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"You seem to get a lot of Irishmen in here moaning about Brexit. Ah well, the politics of envy I guess
If I moan it’s because I love so many things about the UK and now feel sad.
When I was a child in the 60’s on a farm in the far west of Ireland, we had no toilet, no running water, food cooked over an open fire and still some children bare footed, absolute poverty.
Today, Ireland has the 4th largest GDP per capita in the world and of countries with over 3 million people, Ireland is the 2nd behind only Singapore.
All this started with our alignment with Europe away from solely the UK,
As for ‘the politics of envy’........seriously!
Being the world's biggest tax haven helped
Second . The U.K. has the fine privilege as number 1
Ireland’s low population against Apple, Google and Amazon’s income is making the country wealthy.
Our tax haven status is designed to protect the rich from paying their due to us as well as the rest of the world. At least Ireland makes the mega corporations pay tax. it’s just a lower rate.
You only have to Google the world's biggest tax haven
Can you not remember a few years ago when Ireland was one of the PIGS and had to be bailed out with the help of the UK? Any success since then has been down to the low tax regime rather than EU membership but the EU will put a stop to that one way or another
Sorry I didn’t explain well.
You pay low tax in Ireland at 12% hense Amazon etc
In the U.K. you didn’t pay any as a non domicile or if you register in the British Virgin isles which are a U.K. controlled dominion. That tax haven is managed mostly through London.
According to the world bank they can visibly see $450B of legally avoided tax in the world of which 65% is managed through London.
The invisible could be 5-10 times more.
Ireland makes you pay tax but at a much lower rate than can be found anywhere in a stable western country.
Stable is key .
They could register in Dubai and pay no tax at all but the Prince there can change his mind after breakfast and make you pay 90% tax.
Amazon is too big to try tax evasion. So has to show where the money goes.
I would not be surprised to see the UK lower its taxes to match or even undercut ROI now. The chancellor was hinting at changes yesterday for the financial sector
So lower taxes for the rich?
No sorry I should have been clearer. I mean business rates not income tax. He seemed to be saying they will make changes and I was thinking levelling to match Ireland or even undercut them
If we do that we have to be very careful as that will send a massive negative nod to the EU and they may close the door to our financial services.
The city needs to be the worlds bank and we can’t afford to lose that. That’s not me, that’s financial facts as it’s a huge part of our economy in respect of balance of payments and jobs.
£4Billion a month positive income for the U.K.
It was an observation after hearing the chancellor. As some on here say the financial sector is not covered by the deal so not sure it is relevant. If it is making it the same as Ireland cannot be complained about as they are in the EU
And we’re not in the EU anymore.
So the the point is the EU are trying to stop the low tax regimes. So they are going after Amazon etc. Ireland are resisting but not too much.
The EU can just tell us to fuck off once they get control of the incomes in the EU and stop tax avoidance .
The principal is if like Starbucks you make a profit in the U.K. you pay it in the U.K. not in a low tax regime country.
It’s basically the EU trying to clean up the tax avoidance regimes . Which would have included ours.
"I'm sure that the UK has already adopted the EU tax avoidance rules. I'm also sure that many of our laws were already equivalent or above those being put forward by the EU | |||
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"You seem to get a lot of Irishmen in here moaning about Brexit. Ah well, the politics of envy I guess
If I moan it’s because I love so many things about the UK and now feel sad.
When I was a child in the 60’s on a farm in the far west of Ireland, we had no toilet, no running water, food cooked over an open fire and still some children bare footed, absolute poverty.
Today, Ireland has the 4th largest GDP per capita in the world and of countries with over 3 million people, Ireland is the 2nd behind only Singapore.
All this started with our alignment with Europe away from solely the UK,
As for ‘the politics of envy’........seriously!
Being the world's biggest tax haven helped
Second . The U.K. has the fine privilege as number 1
Ireland’s low population against Apple, Google and Amazon’s income is making the country wealthy.
Our tax haven status is designed to protect the rich from paying their due to us as well as the rest of the world. At least Ireland makes the mega corporations pay tax. it’s just a lower rate.
You only have to Google the world's biggest tax haven
Can you not remember a few years ago when Ireland was one of the PIGS and had to be bailed out with the help of the UK? Any success since then has been down to the low tax regime rather than EU membership but the EU will put a stop to that one way or another
Sorry I didn’t explain well.
You pay low tax in Ireland at 12% hense Amazon etc
In the U.K. you didn’t pay any as a non domicile or if you register in the British Virgin isles which are a U.K. controlled dominion. That tax haven is managed mostly through London.
According to the world bank they can visibly see $450B of legally avoided tax in the world of which 65% is managed through London.
The invisible could be 5-10 times more.
Ireland makes you pay tax but at a much lower rate than can be found anywhere in a stable western country.
Stable is key .
They could register in Dubai and pay no tax at all but the Prince there can change his mind after breakfast and make you pay 90% tax.
Amazon is too big to try tax evasion. So has to show where the money goes.
I would not be surprised to see the UK lower its taxes to match or even undercut ROI now. The chancellor was hinting at changes yesterday for the financial sector
If they don’t get the access in full to the EU the city will start moving if they start to lose business . Being a low tax regime will help in the short term but close the door to the EU a little more. I wouldn’t want Sunak’s job right now.
On another thing for you all. You will start to see the quantitive easing being mentioned by the government and the Bank of England.
This is basically printing money to keep the economy moving after Covid and Brexit have seen us suffering and increasing debt.
The result of this method reduces the value of currency in real terms in the U.K. so if you have savings you might be better buying property rather than savings.
Property is set to fall but if it doesn’t recover over the next two years our economy will be in the toilet so all government effort will be on keeping houses valuable. If houses don’t recover tell your kids to emigrate.
Just an update from one of the big four accountancy firms last night so not my advice just repeating.
That’s weird I thought QE started with the financial crash of 2008 WHEN WE WERE IN THE EU
I thought the last house price crashes were in 1995 and 1992 WHEN WE WERE IN THE EU
I though we sold our fishing quotas and boats WHEN WE WERE IN THE EU
Let me check...l
Oh yes that’s all true."So you’re agreeing with my point ! The QE is used when we are in the shit. It’s controlled by our own bank not the EU and always was. My point is nothing to do with the EU other than we are worse off with Brexit and mostly Covid. This year. On each occasion the houses are protected in the U.K. The EU are trying to sort it as a group where it’s needed most but we are on our own with how it’s done. They are not as reliant on house prices as we are in the U.K. Why did Sunak suspend stamp duty. That wasn’t saving jobs. maybe a few estate agents but they could use furlough just like everyone else. It was because our wealth is based on property and we are fucked if it drops in value. Supply and demand will always be out of cinque intentionally because if there’s enough houses the prices will drop. | |||
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"You seem to get a lot of Irishmen in here moaning about Brexit. Ah well, the politics of envy I guess
If I moan it’s because I love so many things about the UK and now feel sad.
When I was a child in the 60’s on a farm in the far west of Ireland, we had no toilet, no running water, food cooked over an open fire and still some children bare footed, absolute poverty.
Today, Ireland has the 4th largest GDP per capita in the world and of countries with over 3 million people, Ireland is the 2nd behind only Singapore.
All this started with our alignment with Europe away from solely the UK,
As for ‘the politics of envy’........seriously!
Being the world's biggest tax haven helped
Second . The U.K. has the fine privilege as number 1
Ireland’s low population against Apple, Google and Amazon’s income is making the country wealthy.
Our tax haven status is designed to protect the rich from paying their due to us as well as the rest of the world. At least Ireland makes the mega corporations pay tax. it’s just a lower rate.
You only have to Google the world's biggest tax haven
Can you not remember a few years ago when Ireland was one of the PIGS and had to be bailed out with the help of the UK? Any success since then has been down to the low tax regime rather than EU membership but the EU will put a stop to that one way or another
Sorry I didn’t explain well.
You pay low tax in Ireland at 12% hense Amazon etc
In the U.K. you didn’t pay any as a non domicile or if you register in the British Virgin isles which are a U.K. controlled dominion. That tax haven is managed mostly through London.
According to the world bank they can visibly see $450B of legally avoided tax in the world of which 65% is managed through London.
The invisible could be 5-10 times more.
Ireland makes you pay tax but at a much lower rate than can be found anywhere in a stable western country.
Stable is key .
They could register in Dubai and pay no tax at all but the Prince there can change his mind after breakfast and make you pay 90% tax.
Amazon is too big to try tax evasion. So has to show where the money goes.
I would not be surprised to see the UK lower its taxes to match or even undercut ROI now. The chancellor was hinting at changes yesterday for the financial sector
So lower taxes for the rich?
No sorry I should have been clearer. I mean business rates not income tax. He seemed to be saying they will make changes and I was thinking levelling to match Ireland or even undercut them
If we do that we have to be very careful as that will send a massive negative nod to the EU and they may close the door to our financial services.
The city needs to be the worlds bank and we can’t afford to lose that. That’s not me, that’s financial facts as it’s a huge part of our economy in respect of balance of payments and jobs.
£4Billion a month positive income for the U.K.
It was an observation after hearing the chancellor. As some on here say the financial sector is not covered by the deal so not sure it is relevant. If it is making it the same as Ireland cannot be complained about as they are in the EU
And we’re not in the EU anymore.
So the the point is the EU are trying to stop the low tax regimes. So they are going after Amazon etc. Ireland are resisting but not too much.
The EU can just tell us to fuck off once they get control of the incomes in the EU and stop tax avoidance .
The principal is if like Starbucks you make a profit in the U.K. you pay it in the U.K. not in a low tax regime country.
It’s basically the EU trying to clean up the tax avoidance regimes . Which would have included ours.
I'm sure that the UK has already adopted the EU tax avoidance rules. I'm also sure that many of our laws were already equivalent or above those being put forward by the EU "No the legislation on this isn’t ratified yet. It’s new and was started to be talked about around 2011 I believe. We have avoided being included . | |||
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"You seem to get a lot of Irishmen in here moaning about Brexit. Ah well, the politics of envy I guess
If I moan it’s because I love so many things about the UK and now feel sad.
When I was a child in the 60’s on a farm in the far west of Ireland, we had no toilet, no running water, food cooked over an open fire and still some children bare footed, absolute poverty.
Today, Ireland has the 4th largest GDP per capita in the world and of countries with over 3 million people, Ireland is the 2nd behind only Singapore.
All this started with our alignment with Europe away from solely the UK,
As for ‘the politics of envy’........seriously!
Being the world's biggest tax haven helped
Second . The U.K. has the fine privilege as number 1
Ireland’s low population against Apple, Google and Amazon’s income is making the country wealthy.
Our tax haven status is designed to protect the rich from paying their due to us as well as the rest of the world. At least Ireland makes the mega corporations pay tax. it’s just a lower rate.
You only have to Google the world's biggest tax haven
Can you not remember a few years ago when Ireland was one of the PIGS and had to be bailed out with the help of the UK? Any success since then has been down to the low tax regime rather than EU membership but the EU will put a stop to that one way or another
Sorry I didn’t explain well.
You pay low tax in Ireland at 12% hense Amazon etc
In the U.K. you didn’t pay any as a non domicile or if you register in the British Virgin isles which are a U.K. controlled dominion. That tax haven is managed mostly through London.
According to the world bank they can visibly see $450B of legally avoided tax in the world of which 65% is managed through London.
The invisible could be 5-10 times more.
Ireland makes you pay tax but at a much lower rate than can be found anywhere in a stable western country.
Stable is key .
They could register in Dubai and pay no tax at all but the Prince there can change his mind after breakfast and make you pay 90% tax.
Amazon is too big to try tax evasion. So has to show where the money goes.
I would not be surprised to see the UK lower its taxes to match or even undercut ROI now. The chancellor was hinting at changes yesterday for the financial sector
So lower taxes for the rich?
No sorry I should have been clearer. I mean business rates not income tax. He seemed to be saying they will make changes and I was thinking levelling to match Ireland or even undercut them
If we do that we have to be very careful as that will send a massive negative nod to the EU and they may close the door to our financial services.
The city needs to be the worlds bank and we can’t afford to lose that. That’s not me, that’s financial facts as it’s a huge part of our economy in respect of balance of payments and jobs.
£4Billion a month positive income for the U.K.
It was an observation after hearing the chancellor. As some on here say the financial sector is not covered by the deal so not sure it is relevant. If it is making it the same as Ireland cannot be complained about as they are in the EU
And we’re not in the EU anymore.
So the the point is the EU are trying to stop the low tax regimes. So they are going after Amazon etc. Ireland are resisting but not too much.
The EU can just tell us to fuck off once they get control of the incomes in the EU and stop tax avoidance .
The principal is if like Starbucks you make a profit in the U.K. you pay it in the U.K. not in a low tax regime country.
It’s basically the EU trying to clean up the tax avoidance regimes . Which would have included ours.
"Yes this is what I'm thinking. As we are no longer in the EU and the deal does not cover the financial sector then the EU have no jurisdiction on what rates we use. I can imagine Ireland will not be happy about the proposed changes by the EU as they have done well from it. Bit of a decision to make as doing the right thing tax wise damages a member country | |||
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"Is this the same QE that the EU use pumping trillions of euros in the the economy Probably I’m not arguing against it I’m repeating the warning from the big accountancy houses. Thought it was odd to argue against a policy the EU uses themselves. I take it the risks you quote is the same for the EU" Yes they are and it depends on how much real cash each country has. Covid has fucked most economies but the wealthier will be fine like Germany as they sell more than they buy so have reserves. We just have debt like Greece. Covid means most countries will have to do this but I suspect our debts means it’s more risky. It’s needed so I’m not arguing against it at all. If we had kept the oil money like Norway we wouldn’t have any worries . Sadly our economy is always in debt these days so that revenue bonus has been squandered on propping us up. | |||
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"You seem to get a lot of Irishmen in here moaning about Brexit. Ah well, the politics of envy I guess
If I moan it’s because I love so many things about the UK and now feel sad.
When I was a child in the 60’s on a farm in the far west of Ireland, we had no toilet, no running water, food cooked over an open fire and still some children bare footed, absolute poverty.
Today, Ireland has the 4th largest GDP per capita in the world and of countries with over 3 million people, Ireland is the 2nd behind only Singapore.
All this started with our alignment with Europe away from solely the UK,
As for ‘the politics of envy’........seriously!
Being the world's biggest tax haven helped
Second . The U.K. has the fine privilege as number 1
Ireland’s low population against Apple, Google and Amazon’s income is making the country wealthy.
Our tax haven status is designed to protect the rich from paying their due to us as well as the rest of the world. At least Ireland makes the mega corporations pay tax. it’s just a lower rate.
You only have to Google the world's biggest tax haven
Can you not remember a few years ago when Ireland was one of the PIGS and had to be bailed out with the help of the UK? Any success since then has been down to the low tax regime rather than EU membership but the EU will put a stop to that one way or another
Sorry I didn’t explain well.
You pay low tax in Ireland at 12% hense Amazon etc
In the U.K. you didn’t pay any as a non domicile or if you register in the British Virgin isles which are a U.K. controlled dominion. That tax haven is managed mostly through London.
According to the world bank they can visibly see $450B of legally avoided tax in the world of which 65% is managed through London.
The invisible could be 5-10 times more.
Ireland makes you pay tax but at a much lower rate than can be found anywhere in a stable western country.
Stable is key .
They could register in Dubai and pay no tax at all but the Prince there can change his mind after breakfast and make you pay 90% tax.
Amazon is too big to try tax evasion. So has to show where the money goes.
I would not be surprised to see the UK lower its taxes to match or even undercut ROI now. The chancellor was hinting at changes yesterday for the financial sector
So lower taxes for the rich?
No sorry I should have been clearer. I mean business rates not income tax. He seemed to be saying they will make changes and I was thinking levelling to match Ireland or even undercut them
If we do that we have to be very careful as that will send a massive negative nod to the EU and they may close the door to our financial services.
The city needs to be the worlds bank and we can’t afford to lose that. That’s not me, that’s financial facts as it’s a huge part of our economy in respect of balance of payments and jobs.
£4Billion a month positive income for the U.K.
It was an observation after hearing the chancellor. As some on here say the financial sector is not covered by the deal so not sure it is relevant. If it is making it the same as Ireland cannot be complained about as they are in the EU
And we’re not in the EU anymore.
So the the point is the EU are trying to stop the low tax regimes. So they are going after Amazon etc. Ireland are resisting but not too much.
The EU can just tell us to fuck off once they get control of the incomes in the EU and stop tax avoidance .
The principal is if like Starbucks you make a profit in the U.K. you pay it in the U.K. not in a low tax regime country.
It’s basically the EU trying to clean up the tax avoidance regimes . Which would have included ours.
Yes this is what I'm thinking. As we are no longer in the EU and the deal does not cover the financial sector then the EU have no jurisdiction on what rates we use. I can imagine Ireland will not be happy about the proposed changes by the EU as they have done well from it. Bit of a decision to make as doing the right thing tax wise damages a member country"Yes of course Ireland are pissed but they are taking other countries tax payments so out of order. They know this so haven’t run to defend Amazon. | |||
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"Is this the same QE that the EU use pumping trillions of euros in the the economy Probably I’m not arguing against it I’m repeating the warning from the big accountancy houses. Thought it was odd to argue against a policy the EU uses themselves. I take it the risks you quote is the same for the EU Yes they are and it depends on how much real cash each country has. Covid has fucked most economies but the wealthier will be fine like Germany as they sell more than they buy so have reserves. We just have debt like Greece. Covid means most countries will have to do this but I suspect our debts means it’s more risky. It’s needed so I’m not arguing against it at all. If we had kept the oil money like Norway we wouldn’t have any worries . Sadly our economy is always in debt these days so that revenue bonus has been squandered on propping us up. " Which country isn't in debt? | |||
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"You seem to get a lot of Irishmen in here moaning about Brexit. Ah well, the politics of envy I guess
If I moan it’s because I love so many things about the UK and now feel sad.
When I was a child in the 60’s on a farm in the far west of Ireland, we had no toilet, no running water, food cooked over an open fire and still some children bare footed, absolute poverty.
Today, Ireland has the 4th largest GDP per capita in the world and of countries with over 3 million people, Ireland is the 2nd behind only Singapore.
All this started with our alignment with Europe away from solely the UK,
As for ‘the politics of envy’........seriously!
Being the world's biggest tax haven helped
Second . The U.K. has the fine privilege as number 1
Ireland’s low population against Apple, Google and Amazon’s income is making the country wealthy.
Our tax haven status is designed to protect the rich from paying their due to us as well as the rest of the world. At least Ireland makes the mega corporations pay tax. it’s just a lower rate.
You only have to Google the world's biggest tax haven
Can you not remember a few years ago when Ireland was one of the PIGS and had to be bailed out with the help of the UK? Any success since then has been down to the low tax regime rather than EU membership but the EU will put a stop to that one way or another
Sorry I didn’t explain well.
You pay low tax in Ireland at 12% hense Amazon etc
In the U.K. you didn’t pay any as a non domicile or if you register in the British Virgin isles which are a U.K. controlled dominion. That tax haven is managed mostly through London.
According to the world bank they can visibly see $450B of legally avoided tax in the world of which 65% is managed through London.
The invisible could be 5-10 times more.
Ireland makes you pay tax but at a much lower rate than can be found anywhere in a stable western country.
Stable is key .
They could register in Dubai and pay no tax at all but the Prince there can change his mind after breakfast and make you pay 90% tax.
Amazon is too big to try tax evasion. So has to show where the money goes.
I would not be surprised to see the UK lower its taxes to match or even undercut ROI now. The chancellor was hinting at changes yesterday for the financial sector
If they don’t get the access in full to the EU the city will start moving if they start to lose business . Being a low tax regime will help in the short term but close the door to the EU a little more. I wouldn’t want Sunak’s job right now.
On another thing for you all. You will start to see the quantitive easing being mentioned by the government and the Bank of England.
This is basically printing money to keep the economy moving after Covid and Brexit have seen us suffering and increasing debt.
The result of this method reduces the value of currency in real terms in the U.K. so if you have savings you might be better buying property rather than savings.
Property is set to fall but if it doesn’t recover over the next two years our economy will be in the toilet so all government effort will be on keeping houses valuable. If houses don’t recover tell your kids to emigrate.
Just an update from one of the big four accountancy firms last night so not my advice just repeating.
That’s weird I thought QE started with the financial crash of 2008 WHEN WE WERE IN THE EU
I thought the last house price crashes were in 1995 and 1992 WHEN WE WERE IN THE EU
I though we sold our fishing quotas and boats WHEN WE WERE IN THE EU
Let me check...l
Oh yes that’s all true.
So you’re agreeing with my point !
The QE is used when we are in the shit.
It’s controlled by our own bank not the EU and always was. My point is nothing to do with the EU other than we are worse off with Brexit and mostly Covid. This year.
On each occasion the houses are protected in the U.K.
The EU are trying to sort it as a group where it’s needed most but we are on our own with how it’s done. They are not as reliant on house prices as we are in the U.K.
Why did Sunak suspend stamp duty. That wasn’t saving jobs. maybe a few estate agents but they could use furlough just like everyone else.
It was because our wealth is based on property and we are fucked if it drops in value.
Supply and demand will always be out of cinque intentionally because if there’s enough houses the prices will drop.
"If you’re arguing that the EU is uncompetitive and unable for decades to sort out issues like tax avoidance in its member countries, then yes, I agree with you, the EU is finished. Glad you’ve realised that eventually. | |||
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"You seem to get a lot of Irishmen in here moaning about Brexit. Ah well, the politics of envy I guess
If I moan it’s because I love so many things about the UK and now feel sad.
When I was a child in the 60’s on a farm in the far west of Ireland, we had no toilet, no running water, food cooked over an open fire and still some children bare footed, absolute poverty.
Today, Ireland has the 4th largest GDP per capita in the world and of countries with over 3 million people, Ireland is the 2nd behind only Singapore.
All this started with our alignment with Europe away from solely the UK,
As for ‘the politics of envy’........seriously!
Being the world's biggest tax haven helped
Second . The U.K. has the fine privilege as number 1
Ireland’s low population against Apple, Google and Amazon’s income is making the country wealthy.
Our tax haven status is designed to protect the rich from paying their due to us as well as the rest of the world. At least Ireland makes the mega corporations pay tax. it’s just a lower rate.
You only have to Google the world's biggest tax haven
Can you not remember a few years ago when Ireland was one of the PIGS and had to be bailed out with the help of the UK? Any success since then has been down to the low tax regime rather than EU membership but the EU will put a stop to that one way or another "The Worlds biggest tax haven is the UK with a third of the total corporate tax avoidance. The top 10 most corrosive corporate tax havens in the world Have a read of the Corporate Tax avoidance Index Report for 2020 The first ever study of its size and scope, the Corporate Tax Haven Index ranks countries by their complicity in global corporate tax havenry. The index scores each country’s tax system based on the degree to which it enables corporate tax avoidance. Each country’s corporate tax haven score is then combined with the scale of corporate activity in the country to determine the share of global corporate activity put at risk of tax avoidance by the country. The greater the share of global corporate activity jeopardised by the country’s tax system, the higher it ranks on the index. The Corporate Tax Haven Index complements the Tax Justice Network’s Financial Secrecy Index, which ranks countries by their contribution to global financial secrecy with a focus on individuals, as opposed to multinational corporations. The top 10 countries that have done the most to proliferate corporate tax avoidance and break down the global corporate tax system are: 1. British Virgin Islands (British territory) 2. Bermuda (British territory) 3. Cayman Islands (British territory) 4. Netherlands 5. Switzerland 6. Luxembourg 7. Jersey (British dependency) 8. Singapore 9. Bahamas 10. Hong Kong These 10 jurisdictions alone are responsible for over half (52 per cent) of the world’s corporate tax avoidance risks as measured by the Corporate Tax Haven Index. Over two fifths of global foreign direct investment4 reported by the International Monetary Fund is booked in these 10 countries, where the lowest available corporate tax rates averaged 0.54 per cent. The top three ranked jurisdictions are part of the British-controlled network of satellite jurisdictions to which the UK has outsourced some of its corporate tax havenry. The top 10 jurisdictions have dealt the global corporate tax system a devastating double blow. First, the colossal scale at which the jurisdictions have enabled corporate tax avoidance risks to woo multinational corporations has made countries’ statutory corporate tax rates meaningless. Second, the jurisdictions have triggered a ‘race to the bottom’ across the globe that will further deplete tax revenues as countries desperate to claw back foreign investment engage in the false economy of ‘tax competitiveness’ and increase their complicity in corporate tax havenry. The corporate tax avoidance risks and corrosive lose-lose outcomes documented by the new index illustrate that what is often referred to as ‘tax competition’ is more aptly described as ‘tax war’.5 World Tax War: The UK is responsible for over a third of the world’s corporate tax avoidance risk The Corporate Tax Haven Index documents a corrosive corporate tax war waged by the UK against the ordinary citizens of rich and poor countries through a network of satellite jurisdictions to which the UK has outsourced some of its corporate tax havenry.6 While the UK ranks 13th on the index, its Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies dominate the top of index. The British Virgin Islands, Bermuda, the Cayman Islands and Jersey ranked 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 7th respectively. Bahamas, a British Commonwealth territory, ranks in 9th. The UK with its corporate tax haven network is by far the world’s greatest enabler of corporate tax avoidance and has single-handedly done the most to break down the global corporate tax system, accounting for over a third of the world’s corporate tax avoidance risks as measured by the Corporate Tax Haven Index. That’s four times more than the next greatest contributor of corporate tax avoidance risks, the Netherlands, which accounts for less than 7 per cent. Nearly 14 per cent of foreign direct investment reported by the International Monetary Fund – over $6 trillion – is booked in the UK network, where the lowest available corporate tax rates averaged 1.73 per cent. Of the 10 jurisdictions whose tax systems received the highest corporate tax haven scores for enabling corporate tax avoidance, 8 are part of the UK network: the British Virgin Islands, Bermuda, the Cayman Islands, the Isle of Man, Turks and Caicos, Anguilla, Jersey, and Guernsey. | |||
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"You seem to get a lot of Irishmen in here moaning about Brexit. Ah well, the politics of envy I guess
If I moan it’s because I love so many things about the UK and now feel sad.
When I was a child in the 60’s on a farm in the far west of Ireland, we had no toilet, no running water, food cooked over an open fire and still some children bare footed, absolute poverty.
Today, Ireland has the 4th largest GDP per capita in the world and of countries with over 3 million people, Ireland is the 2nd behind only Singapore.
All this started with our alignment with Europe away from solely the UK,
As for ‘the politics of envy’........seriously!
Being the world's biggest tax haven helped
Second . The U.K. has the fine privilege as number 1
Ireland’s low population against Apple, Google and Amazon’s income is making the country wealthy.
Our tax haven status is designed to protect the rich from paying their due to us as well as the rest of the world. At least Ireland makes the mega corporations pay tax. it’s just a lower rate.
You only have to Google the world's biggest tax haven
Can you not remember a few years ago when Ireland was one of the PIGS and had to be bailed out with the help of the UK? Any success since then has been down to the low tax regime rather than EU membership but the EU will put a stop to that one way or another
The Worlds biggest tax haven is the UK with a third of the total corporate tax avoidance.
The top 10 most corrosive corporate tax havens in the world
Have a read of the Corporate Tax avoidance Index Report for 2020
The first ever study of its size and scope, the Corporate Tax Haven Index ranks countries by their complicity in global corporate tax havenry. The index scores each country’s tax system based on the degree to which it enables corporate tax avoidance. Each country’s corporate tax haven score is then combined with the scale of corporate activity in the country to determine the share of global corporate activity put at risk of tax avoidance by the country. The greater the share of global corporate activity jeopardised by the country’s tax system, the higher it ranks on the index.
The Corporate Tax Haven Index complements the Tax Justice Network’s Financial Secrecy Index, which ranks countries by their contribution to global financial secrecy with a focus on individuals, as opposed to multinational corporations.
The top 10 countries that have done the most to proliferate corporate tax avoidance and break down the global corporate tax system are:
1. British Virgin Islands (British territory)
2. Bermuda (British territory)
3. Cayman Islands (British territory)
4. Netherlands
5. Switzerland
6. Luxembourg
7. Jersey (British dependency)
8. Singapore
9. Bahamas
10. Hong Kong
These 10 jurisdictions alone are responsible for over half (52 per cent) of the world’s corporate tax avoidance risks as measured by the Corporate Tax Haven Index. Over two fifths of global foreign direct investment4 reported by the International Monetary Fund is booked in these 10 countries, where the lowest available corporate tax rates averaged 0.54 per cent. The top three ranked jurisdictions are part of the British-controlled network of satellite jurisdictions to which the UK has outsourced some of its corporate tax havenry.
The top 10 jurisdictions have dealt the global corporate tax system a devastating double blow. First, the colossal scale at which the jurisdictions have enabled corporate tax avoidance risks to woo multinational corporations has made countries’ statutory corporate tax rates meaningless. Second, the jurisdictions have triggered a ‘race to the bottom’ across the globe that will further deplete tax revenues as countries desperate to claw back foreign investment engage in the false economy of ‘tax competitiveness’ and increase their complicity in corporate tax havenry. The corporate tax avoidance risks and corrosive lose-lose outcomes documented by the new index illustrate that what is often referred to as ‘tax competition’ is more aptly described as ‘tax war’.5
World Tax War: The UK is responsible for over a third of the world’s corporate tax avoidance risk
The Corporate Tax Haven Index documents a corrosive corporate tax war waged by the UK against the ordinary citizens of rich and poor countries through a network of satellite jurisdictions to which the UK has outsourced some of its corporate tax havenry.6 While the UK ranks 13th on the index, its Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies dominate the top of index. The British Virgin Islands, Bermuda, the Cayman Islands and Jersey ranked 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 7th respectively. Bahamas, a British Commonwealth territory, ranks in 9th.
The UK with its corporate tax haven network is by far the world’s greatest enabler of corporate tax avoidance and has single-handedly done the most to break down the global corporate tax system, accounting for over a third of the world’s corporate tax avoidance risks as measured by the Corporate Tax Haven Index. That’s four times more than the next greatest contributor of corporate tax avoidance risks, the Netherlands, which accounts for less than 7 per cent.
Nearly 14 per cent of foreign direct investment reported by the International Monetary Fund – over $6 trillion – is booked in the UK network, where the lowest available corporate tax rates averaged 1.73 per cent.
Of the 10 jurisdictions whose tax systems received the highest corporate tax haven scores for enabling corporate tax avoidance, 8 are part of the UK network: the British Virgin Islands, Bermuda, the Cayman Islands, the Isle of Man, Turks and Caicos, Anguilla, Jersey, and Guernsey."Tell me again Brexit has nothing to do with tax. Scary stuff What’s even scarier is we suck it up all day every day. Because those tax avoidance users own our media. | |||
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"You seem to get a lot of Irishmen in here moaning about Brexit. Ah well, the politics of envy I guess
If I moan it’s because I love so many things about the UK and now feel sad.
When I was a child in the 60’s on a farm in the far west of Ireland, we had no toilet, no running water, food cooked over an open fire and still some children bare footed, absolute poverty.
Today, Ireland has the 4th largest GDP per capita in the world and of countries with over 3 million people, Ireland is the 2nd behind only Singapore.
All this started with our alignment with Europe away from solely the UK,
As for ‘the politics of envy’........seriously!
Being the world's biggest tax haven helped
Second . The U.K. has the fine privilege as number 1
Ireland’s low population against Apple, Google and Amazon’s income is making the country wealthy.
Our tax haven status is designed to protect the rich from paying their due to us as well as the rest of the world. At least Ireland makes the mega corporations pay tax. it’s just a lower rate.
You only have to Google the world's biggest tax haven
Can you not remember a few years ago when Ireland was one of the PIGS and had to be bailed out with the help of the UK? Any success since then has been down to the low tax regime rather than EU membership but the EU will put a stop to that one way or another
The Worlds biggest tax haven is the UK with a third of the total corporate tax avoidance.
The top 10 most corrosive corporate tax havens in the world
Have a read of the Corporate Tax avoidance Index Report for 2020
The first ever study of its size and scope, the Corporate Tax Haven Index ranks countries by their complicity in global corporate tax havenry. The index scores each country’s tax system based on the degree to which it enables corporate tax avoidance. Each country’s corporate tax haven score is then combined with the scale of corporate activity in the country to determine the share of global corporate activity put at risk of tax avoidance by the country. The greater the share of global corporate activity jeopardised by the country’s tax system, the higher it ranks on the index.
The Corporate Tax Haven Index complements the Tax Justice Network’s Financial Secrecy Index, which ranks countries by their contribution to global financial secrecy with a focus on individuals, as opposed to multinational corporations.
The top 10 countries that have done the most to proliferate corporate tax avoidance and break down the global corporate tax system are:
1. British Virgin Islands (British territory)
2. Bermuda (British territory)
3. Cayman Islands (British territory)
4. Netherlands
5. Switzerland
6. Luxembourg
7. Jersey (British dependency)
8. Singapore
9. Bahamas
10. Hong Kong
These 10 jurisdictions alone are responsible for over half (52 per cent) of the world’s corporate tax avoidance risks as measured by the Corporate Tax Haven Index. Over two fifths of global foreign direct investment4 reported by the International Monetary Fund is booked in these 10 countries, where the lowest available corporate tax rates averaged 0.54 per cent. The top three ranked jurisdictions are part of the British-controlled network of satellite jurisdictions to which the UK has outsourced some of its corporate tax havenry.
The top 10 jurisdictions have dealt the global corporate tax system a devastating double blow. First, the colossal scale at which the jurisdictions have enabled corporate tax avoidance risks to woo multinational corporations has made countries’ statutory corporate tax rates meaningless. Second, the jurisdictions have triggered a ‘race to the bottom’ across the globe that will further deplete tax revenues as countries desperate to claw back foreign investment engage in the false economy of ‘tax competitiveness’ and increase their complicity in corporate tax havenry. The corporate tax avoidance risks and corrosive lose-lose outcomes documented by the new index illustrate that what is often referred to as ‘tax competition’ is more aptly described as ‘tax war’.5
World Tax War: The UK is responsible for over a third of the world’s corporate tax avoidance risk
The Corporate Tax Haven Index documents a corrosive corporate tax war waged by the UK against the ordinary citizens of rich and poor countries through a network of satellite jurisdictions to which the UK has outsourced some of its corporate tax havenry.6 While the UK ranks 13th on the index, its Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies dominate the top of index. The British Virgin Islands, Bermuda, the Cayman Islands and Jersey ranked 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 7th respectively. Bahamas, a British Commonwealth territory, ranks in 9th.
The UK with its corporate tax haven network is by far the world’s greatest enabler of corporate tax avoidance and has single-handedly done the most to break down the global corporate tax system, accounting for over a third of the world’s corporate tax avoidance risks as measured by the Corporate Tax Haven Index. That’s four times more than the next greatest contributor of corporate tax avoidance risks, the Netherlands, which accounts for less than 7 per cent.
Nearly 14 per cent of foreign direct investment reported by the International Monetary Fund – over $6 trillion – is booked in the UK network, where the lowest available corporate tax rates averaged 1.73 per cent.
Of the 10 jurisdictions whose tax systems received the highest corporate tax haven scores for enabling corporate tax avoidance, 8 are part of the UK network: the British Virgin Islands, Bermuda, the Cayman Islands, the Isle of Man, Turks and Caicos, Anguilla, Jersey, and Guernsey.
Tell me again Brexit has nothing to do with tax. Scary stuff
What’s even scarier is we suck it up all day every day. Because those tax avoidance users own our media.
"The most important address in the UK https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/55_Tufton_Street | |||
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"You seem to get a lot of Irishmen in here moaning about Brexit. Ah well, the politics of envy I guess
If I moan it’s because I love so many things about the UK and now feel sad.
When I was a child in the 60’s on a farm in the far west of Ireland, we had no toilet, no running water, food cooked over an open fire and still some children bare footed, absolute poverty.
Today, Ireland has the 4th largest GDP per capita in the world and of countries with over 3 million people, Ireland is the 2nd behind only Singapore.
All this started with our alignment with Europe away from solely the UK,
As for ‘the politics of envy’........seriously!
Being the world's biggest tax haven helped
Second . The U.K. has the fine privilege as number 1
Ireland’s low population against Apple, Google and Amazon’s income is making the country wealthy.
Our tax haven status is designed to protect the rich from paying their due to us as well as the rest of the world. At least Ireland makes the mega corporations pay tax. it’s just a lower rate.
You only have to Google the world's biggest tax haven
Can you not remember a few years ago when Ireland was one of the PIGS and had to be bailed out with the help of the UK? Any success since then has been down to the low tax regime rather than EU membership but the EU will put a stop to that one way or another
The Worlds biggest tax haven is the UK with a third of the total corporate tax avoidance.
The top 10 most corrosive corporate tax havens in the world
Have a read of the Corporate Tax avoidance Index Report for 2020
The first ever study of its size and scope, the Corporate Tax Haven Index ranks countries by their complicity in global corporate tax havenry. The index scores each country’s tax system based on the degree to which it enables corporate tax avoidance. Each country’s corporate tax haven score is then combined with the scale of corporate activity in the country to determine the share of global corporate activity put at risk of tax avoidance by the country. The greater the share of global corporate activity jeopardised by the country’s tax system, the higher it ranks on the index.
The Corporate Tax Haven Index complements the Tax Justice Network’s Financial Secrecy Index, which ranks countries by their contribution to global financial secrecy with a focus on individuals, as opposed to multinational corporations.
The top 10 countries that have done the most to proliferate corporate tax avoidance and break down the global corporate tax system are:
1. British Virgin Islands (British territory)
2. Bermuda (British territory)
3. Cayman Islands (British territory)
4. Netherlands
5. Switzerland
6. Luxembourg
7. Jersey (British dependency)
8. Singapore
9. Bahamas
10. Hong Kong
These 10 jurisdictions alone are responsible for over half (52 per cent) of the world’s corporate tax avoidance risks as measured by the Corporate Tax Haven Index. Over two fifths of global foreign direct investment4 reported by the International Monetary Fund is booked in these 10 countries, where the lowest available corporate tax rates averaged 0.54 per cent. The top three ranked jurisdictions are part of the British-controlled network of satellite jurisdictions to which the UK has outsourced some of its corporate tax havenry.
The top 10 jurisdictions have dealt the global corporate tax system a devastating double blow. First, the colossal scale at which the jurisdictions have enabled corporate tax avoidance risks to woo multinational corporations has made countries’ statutory corporate tax rates meaningless. Second, the jurisdictions have triggered a ‘race to the bottom’ across the globe that will further deplete tax revenues as countries desperate to claw back foreign investment engage in the false economy of ‘tax competitiveness’ and increase their complicity in corporate tax havenry. The corporate tax avoidance risks and corrosive lose-lose outcomes documented by the new index illustrate that what is often referred to as ‘tax competition’ is more aptly described as ‘tax war’.5
World Tax War: The UK is responsible for over a third of the world’s corporate tax avoidance risk
The Corporate Tax Haven Index documents a corrosive corporate tax war waged by the UK against the ordinary citizens of rich and poor countries through a network of satellite jurisdictions to which the UK has outsourced some of its corporate tax havenry.6 While the UK ranks 13th on the index, its Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies dominate the top of index. The British Virgin Islands, Bermuda, the Cayman Islands and Jersey ranked 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 7th respectively. Bahamas, a British Commonwealth territory, ranks in 9th.
The UK with its corporate tax haven network is by far the world’s greatest enabler of corporate tax avoidance and has single-handedly done the most to break down the global corporate tax system, accounting for over a third of the world’s corporate tax avoidance risks as measured by the Corporate Tax Haven Index. That’s four times more than the next greatest contributor of corporate tax avoidance risks, the Netherlands, which accounts for less than 7 per cent.
Nearly 14 per cent of foreign direct investment reported by the International Monetary Fund – over $6 trillion – is booked in the UK network, where the lowest available corporate tax rates averaged 1.73 per cent.
Of the 10 jurisdictions whose tax systems received the highest corporate tax haven scores for enabling corporate tax avoidance, 8 are part of the UK network: the British Virgin Islands, Bermuda, the Cayman Islands, the Isle of Man, Turks and Caicos, Anguilla, Jersey, and Guernsey.
Tell me again Brexit has nothing to do with tax. Scary stuff
What’s even scarier is we suck it up all day every day. Because those tax avoidance users own our media.
"Tell me again why we needed Brexit then? And why the banks, business organisations, the establishment etc backed remain? | |||
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"You seem to get a lot of Irishmen in here moaning about Brexit. Ah well, the politics of envy I guess
If I moan it’s because I love so many things about the UK and now feel sad.
When I was a child in the 60’s on a farm in the far west of Ireland, we had no toilet, no running water, food cooked over an open fire and still some children bare footed, absolute poverty.
Today, Ireland has the 4th largest GDP per capita in the world and of countries with over 3 million people, Ireland is the 2nd behind only Singapore.
All this started with our alignment with Europe away from solely the UK,
As for ‘the politics of envy’........seriously!
Being the world's biggest tax haven helped
Second . The U.K. has the fine privilege as number 1
Ireland’s low population against Apple, Google and Amazon’s income is making the country wealthy.
Our tax haven status is designed to protect the rich from paying their due to us as well as the rest of the world. At least Ireland makes the mega corporations pay tax. it’s just a lower rate.
You only have to Google the world's biggest tax haven
Can you not remember a few years ago when Ireland was one of the PIGS and had to be bailed out with the help of the UK? Any success since then has been down to the low tax regime rather than EU membership but the EU will put a stop to that one way or another
The Worlds biggest tax haven is the UK with a third of the total corporate tax avoidance.
The top 10 most corrosive corporate tax havens in the world
Have a read of the Corporate Tax avoidance Index Report for 2020
The first ever study of its size and scope, the Corporate Tax Haven Index ranks countries by their complicity in global corporate tax havenry. The index scores each country’s tax system based on the degree to which it enables corporate tax avoidance. Each country’s corporate tax haven score is then combined with the scale of corporate activity in the country to determine the share of global corporate activity put at risk of tax avoidance by the country. The greater the share of global corporate activity jeopardised by the country’s tax system, the higher it ranks on the index.
The Corporate Tax Haven Index complements the Tax Justice Network’s Financial Secrecy Index, which ranks countries by their contribution to global financial secrecy with a focus on individuals, as opposed to multinational corporations.
The top 10 countries that have done the most to proliferate corporate tax avoidance and break down the global corporate tax system are:
1. British Virgin Islands (British territory)
2. Bermuda (British territory)
3. Cayman Islands (British territory)
4. Netherlands
5. Switzerland
6. Luxembourg
7. Jersey (British dependency)
8. Singapore
9. Bahamas
10. Hong Kong
These 10 jurisdictions alone are responsible for over half (52 per cent) of the world’s corporate tax avoidance risks as measured by the Corporate Tax Haven Index. Over two fifths of global foreign direct investment4 reported by the International Monetary Fund is booked in these 10 countries, where the lowest available corporate tax rates averaged 0.54 per cent. The top three ranked jurisdictions are part of the British-controlled network of satellite jurisdictions to which the UK has outsourced some of its corporate tax havenry.
The top 10 jurisdictions have dealt the global corporate tax system a devastating double blow. First, the colossal scale at which the jurisdictions have enabled corporate tax avoidance risks to woo multinational corporations has made countries’ statutory corporate tax rates meaningless. Second, the jurisdictions have triggered a ‘race to the bottom’ across the globe that will further deplete tax revenues as countries desperate to claw back foreign investment engage in the false economy of ‘tax competitiveness’ and increase their complicity in corporate tax havenry. The corporate tax avoidance risks and corrosive lose-lose outcomes documented by the new index illustrate that what is often referred to as ‘tax competition’ is more aptly described as ‘tax war’.5
World Tax War: The UK is responsible for over a third of the world’s corporate tax avoidance risk
The Corporate Tax Haven Index documents a corrosive corporate tax war waged by the UK against the ordinary citizens of rich and poor countries through a network of satellite jurisdictions to which the UK has outsourced some of its corporate tax havenry.6 While the UK ranks 13th on the index, its Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies dominate the top of index. The British Virgin Islands, Bermuda, the Cayman Islands and Jersey ranked 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 7th respectively. Bahamas, a British Commonwealth territory, ranks in 9th.
The UK with its corporate tax haven network is by far the world’s greatest enabler of corporate tax avoidance and has single-handedly done the most to break down the global corporate tax system, accounting for over a third of the world’s corporate tax avoidance risks as measured by the Corporate Tax Haven Index. That’s four times more than the next greatest contributor of corporate tax avoidance risks, the Netherlands, which accounts for less than 7 per cent.
Nearly 14 per cent of foreign direct investment reported by the International Monetary Fund – over $6 trillion – is booked in the UK network, where the lowest available corporate tax rates averaged 1.73 per cent.
Of the 10 jurisdictions whose tax systems received the highest corporate tax haven scores for enabling corporate tax avoidance, 8 are part of the UK network: the British Virgin Islands, Bermuda, the Cayman Islands, the Isle of Man, Turks and Caicos, Anguilla, Jersey, and Guernsey.
Tell me again Brexit has nothing to do with tax. Scary stuff
What’s even scarier is we suck it up all day every day. Because those tax avoidance users own our media.
The most important address in the UK https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/55_Tufton_Street
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"You seem to get a lot of Irishmen in here moaning about Brexit. Ah well, the politics of envy I guess
If I moan it’s because I love so many things about the UK and now feel sad.
When I was a child in the 60’s on a farm in the far west of Ireland, we had no toilet, no running water, food cooked over an open fire and still some children bare footed, absolute poverty.
Today, Ireland has the 4th largest GDP per capita in the world and of countries with over 3 million people, Ireland is the 2nd behind only Singapore.
All this started with our alignment with Europe away from solely the UK,
As for ‘the politics of envy’........seriously!
Being the world's biggest tax haven helped
Second . The U.K. has the fine privilege as number 1
Ireland’s low population against Apple, Google and Amazon’s income is making the country wealthy.
Our tax haven status is designed to protect the rich from paying their due to us as well as the rest of the world. At least Ireland makes the mega corporations pay tax. it’s just a lower rate.
You only have to Google the world's biggest tax haven
Can you not remember a few years ago when Ireland was one of the PIGS and had to be bailed out with the help of the UK? Any success since then has been down to the low tax regime rather than EU membership but the EU will put a stop to that one way or another
The Worlds biggest tax haven is the UK with a third of the total corporate tax avoidance.
The top 10 most corrosive corporate tax havens in the world
Have a read of the Corporate Tax avoidance Index Report for 2020
The first ever study of its size and scope, the Corporate Tax Haven Index ranks countries by their complicity in global corporate tax havenry. The index scores each country’s tax system based on the degree to which it enables corporate tax avoidance. Each country’s corporate tax haven score is then combined with the scale of corporate activity in the country to determine the share of global corporate activity put at risk of tax avoidance by the country. The greater the share of global corporate activity jeopardised by the country’s tax system, the higher it ranks on the index.
The Corporate Tax Haven Index complements the Tax Justice Network’s Financial Secrecy Index, which ranks countries by their contribution to global financial secrecy with a focus on individuals, as opposed to multinational corporations.
The top 10 countries that have done the most to proliferate corporate tax avoidance and break down the global corporate tax system are:
1. British Virgin Islands (British territory)
2. Bermuda (British territory)
3. Cayman Islands (British territory)
4. Netherlands
5. Switzerland
6. Luxembourg
7. Jersey (British dependency)
8. Singapore
9. Bahamas
10. Hong Kong
These 10 jurisdictions alone are responsible for over half (52 per cent) of the world’s corporate tax avoidance risks as measured by the Corporate Tax Haven Index. Over two fifths of global foreign direct investment4 reported by the International Monetary Fund is booked in these 10 countries, where the lowest available corporate tax rates averaged 0.54 per cent. The top three ranked jurisdictions are part of the British-controlled network of satellite jurisdictions to which the UK has outsourced some of its corporate tax havenry.
The top 10 jurisdictions have dealt the global corporate tax system a devastating double blow. First, the colossal scale at which the jurisdictions have enabled corporate tax avoidance risks to woo multinational corporations has made countries’ statutory corporate tax rates meaningless. Second, the jurisdictions have triggered a ‘race to the bottom’ across the globe that will further deplete tax revenues as countries desperate to claw back foreign investment engage in the false economy of ‘tax competitiveness’ and increase their complicity in corporate tax havenry. The corporate tax avoidance risks and corrosive lose-lose outcomes documented by the new index illustrate that what is often referred to as ‘tax competition’ is more aptly described as ‘tax war’.5
World Tax War: The UK is responsible for over a third of the world’s corporate tax avoidance risk
The Corporate Tax Haven Index documents a corrosive corporate tax war waged by the UK against the ordinary citizens of rich and poor countries through a network of satellite jurisdictions to which the UK has outsourced some of its corporate tax havenry.6 While the UK ranks 13th on the index, its Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies dominate the top of index. The British Virgin Islands, Bermuda, the Cayman Islands and Jersey ranked 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 7th respectively. Bahamas, a British Commonwealth territory, ranks in 9th.
The UK with its corporate tax haven network is by far the world’s greatest enabler of corporate tax avoidance and has single-handedly done the most to break down the global corporate tax system, accounting for over a third of the world’s corporate tax avoidance risks as measured by the Corporate Tax Haven Index. That’s four times more than the next greatest contributor of corporate tax avoidance risks, the Netherlands, which accounts for less than 7 per cent.
Nearly 14 per cent of foreign direct investment reported by the International Monetary Fund – over $6 trillion – is booked in the UK network, where the lowest available corporate tax rates averaged 1.73 per cent.
Of the 10 jurisdictions whose tax systems received the highest corporate tax haven scores for enabling corporate tax avoidance, 8 are part of the UK network: the British Virgin Islands, Bermuda, the Cayman Islands, the Isle of Man, Turks and Caicos, Anguilla, Jersey, and Guernsey.
Tell me again Brexit has nothing to do with tax. Scary stuff
What’s even scarier is we suck it up all day every day. Because those tax avoidance users own our media.
Tell me again why we needed Brexit then?
And why the banks, business organisations, the establishment etc backed remain? "Banks who’s clients hide millions with them ? Hmmm let me think. The CBI is non political in its constitution so can’t argue either way . They do however clearly state it’s bad for business to add customs and bureaucracy to business and hinder market access. The establishment? Ok well use the House of Lords The lords is full of former ministers, diplomats, economists and business leaders and Boris regards them as the epitome of the “Remainer establishment” . So who in the establishment wanted leave? Oh yes Reece Mogg and co. Not your average jobbing plasterer eh. Reece Mogg has moved his company out of the U.K. to avoid any losses. The poor plasterer has to suck it up. The point is the money launderers can afford to pay to influence people to think differently. As shown with the us election and Cambridge analytics. The fact so many people believe what they read daily right is what’s so scary. Have you heard anymore about Russian Interference in our elections and referendum? That’s gone quiet hasn’t it. There was clearly something going on but the government decided to look the other way. I wonder why? Nothing to do with the Russian financiers who Boris partied with on the day the referendum result came out ? Yes those guys are non domicile too! | |||
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"Silver horn Look into this stuff and make your own judgment. I don’t need to persuade you it’s just the deeper you dig the more crooked it gets. A link for you to add to the Grafton Street one. https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/opinion/we-shouldnt-laud-rich-people-who-pay-tax-we-should-shame-those-who-dont/29/01/ Interesting comment on JCB who backed Boris. " A valiant effort. | |||
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"I've looked into all this shit, you're just getting more and more hysterical and like I said, howling at the moon, it's done "Of course Brexits done. I’m commenting on the twats still not paying their way re tax in the U.K. Are you ok with that? | |||
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"Silver horn Look into this stuff and make your own judgment. I don’t need to persuade you it’s just the deeper you dig the more crooked it gets. A link for you to add to the Grafton Street one. https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/opinion/we-shouldnt-laud-rich-people-who-pay-tax-we-should-shame-those-who-dont/29/01/ Interesting comment on JCB who backed Boris. A valiant effort." That was just somebody's opinion in a paper and funny how Jackel didn't mention Branson or Peter Coates, who backed remain | |||
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"Silver horn Look into this stuff and make your own judgment. I don’t need to persuade you it’s just the deeper you dig the more crooked it gets. A link for you to add to the Grafton Street one. https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/opinion/we-shouldnt-laud-rich-people-who-pay-tax-we-should-shame-those-who-dont/29/01/ Interesting comment on JCB who backed Boris. A valiant effort. That was just somebody's opinion in a paper and funny how Jackel didn't mention Branson or Peter Coates, who backed remain "It was opinion but balanced and this is why. Branson’s only worry was losing his airline cash cow. He’s left the U.K. like Dyson and not coming back. Whenever you see the Virgin brand it’s not his money it’s always someone else’s as well as paying for the name and his fame. He’s a Trump like brand but more trustworthy persona. Yes right. Once the airline question was sorted he’s gone quiet. Self interest. Peter Coates is a large exporter and tariffs would hurt his Stoke based operations which in turn are a large proportion of U.K. manufacturing bizarrely. Who knew with ceramics. His exports to the EU are large so tariffs would have hurt. The Coates family paid more tax than Amazon last year and are among the highest tax payers in the country. They do have offshore accounts which look to siphon off 25% of their tax liability but not as excessive as most. So maybe they were in for balanced comparison to the tax avoiders. Again only my opinion. So back to my point. Do you think we should all pay tax rates at least proportionally the same? | |||
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"I have worked with a few self employed Irish men over the years they all seem to go back to Ireland owing tax & our tax system seems incapable of finding them. so they push wages down in this country & dont pay tax, freedom of movement was a disaster for the British worker " Won’t Brexit be brilliant for you You won’t have to blame the Irish or any other EU for driving down wages with freedom of movement now gone You will be coining it with a minimum of 3 jobs picking fruit,working in a care home and investment banking. | |||
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"Silver horn Look into this stuff and make your own judgment. I don’t need to persuade you it’s just the deeper you dig the more crooked it gets. A link for you to add to the Grafton Street one. https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/opinion/we-shouldnt-laud-rich-people-who-pay-tax-we-should-shame-those-who-dont/29/01/ Interesting comment on JCB who backed Boris. A valiant effort. That was just somebody's opinion in a paper and funny how Jackel didn't mention Branson or Peter Coates, who backed remain
It was opinion but balanced and this is why.
Branson’s only worry was losing his airline cash cow. He’s left the U.K. like Dyson and not coming back. Whenever you see the Virgin brand it’s not his money it’s always someone else’s as well as paying for the name and his fame. He’s a Trump like brand but more trustworthy persona. Yes right.
Once the airline question was sorted he’s gone quiet. Self interest.
Peter Coates is a large exporter and tariffs would hurt his Stoke based operations which in turn are a large proportion of U.K. manufacturing bizarrely. Who knew with ceramics.
His exports to the EU are large so tariffs would have hurt.
The Coates family paid more tax than Amazon last year and are among the highest tax payers in the country. They do have offshore accounts which look to siphon off 25% of their tax liability but not as excessive as most. So maybe they were in for balanced comparison to the tax avoiders.
Again only my opinion.
So back to my point. Do you think we should all pay tax rates at least proportionally the same?
"Why don’t you start a thread on tax then, none of your rants today have got anything to do with Brexit | |||
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"Silver horn Look into this stuff and make your own judgment. I don’t need to persuade you it’s just the deeper you dig the more crooked it gets. A link for you to add to the Grafton Street one. https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/opinion/we-shouldnt-laud-rich-people-who-pay-tax-we-should-shame-those-who-dont/29/01/ Interesting comment on JCB who backed Boris. A valiant effort. That was just somebody's opinion in a paper and funny how Jackel didn't mention Branson or Peter Coates, who backed remain
It was opinion but balanced and this is why.
Branson’s only worry was losing his airline cash cow. He’s left the U.K. like Dyson and not coming back. Whenever you see the Virgin brand it’s not his money it’s always someone else’s as well as paying for the name and his fame. He’s a Trump like brand but more trustworthy persona. Yes right.
Once the airline question was sorted he’s gone quiet. Self interest.
Peter Coates is a large exporter and tariffs would hurt his Stoke based operations which in turn are a large proportion of U.K. manufacturing bizarrely. Who knew with ceramics.
His exports to the EU are large so tariffs would have hurt.
The Coates family paid more tax than Amazon last year and are among the highest tax payers in the country. They do have offshore accounts which look to siphon off 25% of their tax liability but not as excessive as most. So maybe they were in for balanced comparison to the tax avoiders.
Again only my opinion.
So back to my point. Do you think we should all pay tax rates at least proportionally the same?
"To be honest I don't know enough about tax. Oh and don't like being picky but the Coates family have nothing to do with ceramics (30,000 jobs lost since the EU was formed by the way) they own Bet365 | |||
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"Silver horn Look into this stuff and make your own judgment. I don’t need to persuade you it’s just the deeper you dig the more crooked it gets. A link for you to add to the Grafton Street one. https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/opinion/we-shouldnt-laud-rich-people-who-pay-tax-we-should-shame-those-who-dont/29/01/ Interesting comment on JCB who backed Boris. A valiant effort. That was just somebody's opinion in a paper and funny how Jackel didn't mention Branson or Peter Coates, who backed remain
It was opinion but balanced and this is why.
Branson’s only worry was losing his airline cash cow. He’s left the U.K. like Dyson and not coming back. Whenever you see the Virgin brand it’s not his money it’s always someone else’s as well as paying for the name and his fame. He’s a Trump like brand but more trustworthy persona. Yes right.
Once the airline question was sorted he’s gone quiet. Self interest.
Peter Coates is a large exporter and tariffs would hurt his Stoke based operations which in turn are a large proportion of U.K. manufacturing bizarrely. Who knew with ceramics.
His exports to the EU are large so tariffs would have hurt.
The Coates family paid more tax than Amazon last year and are among the highest tax payers in the country. They do have offshore accounts which look to siphon off 25% of their tax liability but not as excessive as most. So maybe they were in for balanced comparison to the tax avoiders.
Again only my opinion.
So back to my point. Do you think we should all pay tax rates at least proportionally the same?
To be honest I don't know enough about tax.
Oh and don't like being picky but the Coates family have nothing to do with ceramics (30,000 jobs lost since the EU was formed by the way) they own Bet365 "I thought they have factories in the lotteries as well as bet 355 which is the wife or daughters company? Happy to be corrected ? | |||
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"Silver horn Look into this stuff and make your own judgment. I don’t need to persuade you it’s just the deeper you dig the more crooked it gets. A link for you to add to the Grafton Street one. https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/opinion/we-shouldnt-laud-rich-people-who-pay-tax-we-should-shame-those-who-dont/29/01/ Interesting comment on JCB who backed Boris. A valiant effort. That was just somebody's opinion in a paper and funny how Jackel didn't mention Branson or Peter Coates, who backed remain
It was opinion but balanced and this is why.
Branson’s only worry was losing his airline cash cow. He’s left the U.K. like Dyson and not coming back. Whenever you see the Virgin brand it’s not his money it’s always someone else’s as well as paying for the name and his fame. He’s a Trump like brand but more trustworthy persona. Yes right.
Once the airline question was sorted he’s gone quiet. Self interest.
Peter Coates is a large exporter and tariffs would hurt his Stoke based operations which in turn are a large proportion of U.K. manufacturing bizarrely. Who knew with ceramics.
His exports to the EU are large so tariffs would have hurt.
The Coates family paid more tax than Amazon last year and are among the highest tax payers in the country. They do have offshore accounts which look to siphon off 25% of their tax liability but not as excessive as most. So maybe they were in for balanced comparison to the tax avoiders.
Again only my opinion.
So back to my point. Do you think we should all pay tax rates at least proportionally the same?
To be honest I don't know enough about tax.
Oh and don't like being picky but the Coates family have nothing to do with ceramics (30,000 jobs lost since the EU was formed by the way) they own Bet365
I thought they have factories in the lotteries as well as bet 355 which is the wife or daughters company?
Happy to be corrected ? "No, nothing to do with pots, he's chairman of Stoke City and he passed the the betting business on to his daughter, think she paid herself €500 million last year. Not bad eh. Typical Remainer | |||
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"Silver horn Look into this stuff and make your own judgment. I don’t need to persuade you it’s just the deeper you dig the more crooked it gets. A link for you to add to the Grafton Street one. https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/opinion/we-shouldnt-laud-rich-people-who-pay-tax-we-should-shame-those-who-dont/29/01/ Interesting comment on JCB who backed Boris. A valiant effort. That was just somebody's opinion in a paper and funny how Jackel didn't mention Branson or Peter Coates, who backed remain
It was opinion but balanced and this is why.
Branson’s only worry was losing his airline cash cow. He’s left the U.K. like Dyson and not coming back. Whenever you see the Virgin brand it’s not his money it’s always someone else’s as well as paying for the name and his fame. He’s a Trump like brand but more trustworthy persona. Yes right.
Once the airline question was sorted he’s gone quiet. Self interest.
Peter Coates is a large exporter and tariffs would hurt his Stoke based operations which in turn are a large proportion of U.K. manufacturing bizarrely. Who knew with ceramics.
His exports to the EU are large so tariffs would have hurt.
The Coates family paid more tax than Amazon last year and are among the highest tax payers in the country. They do have offshore accounts which look to siphon off 25% of their tax liability but not as excessive as most. So maybe they were in for balanced comparison to the tax avoiders.
Again only my opinion.
So back to my point. Do you think we should all pay tax rates at least proportionally the same?
To be honest I don't know enough about tax.
Oh and don't like being picky but the Coates family have nothing to do with ceramics (30,000 jobs lost since the EU was formed by the way) they own Bet365
I thought they have factories in the lotteries as well as bet 355 which is the wife or daughters company?
Happy to be corrected ?
No, nothing to do with pots, he's chairman of Stoke City and he passed the the betting business on to his daughter, think she paid herself €500 million last year. Not bad eh. Typical Remainer "The betting shops were run by his daughter and she set up bet365 with a £15m loan. You’ve got to have money to get a loan like that. I just looked her up and it was £330million pay packet but you were right it’s mostly betting and football. She paid 45% tax but also has given away a fortune in charity payments so at least sharing her fortune. Which is to her credit. ( apart from that 25% ) The pottery connection was my mistake as it was companies they have supported but don’t own. Happy to be corrected as I said. If a typical remainer is worth £7Billion I’m falling well short damn it. | |||
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"I have worked with a few self employed Irish men over the years they all seem to go back to Ireland owing tax & our tax system seems incapable of finding them. so they push wages down in this country & dont pay tax, freedom of movement was a disaster for the British worker " They were just over getting back some of what we're owed | |||
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"I have worked with a few self employed Irish men over the years they all seem to go back to Ireland owing tax & our tax system seems incapable of finding them. so they push wages down in this country & dont pay tax, freedom of movement was a disaster for the British worker Won’t Brexit be brilliant for you You won’t have to blame the Irish or any other EU for driving down wages with freedom of movement now gone You will be coining it with a minimum of 3 jobs picking fruit,working in a care home and investment banking." haha | |||
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"I forgot to respond to the 30000 jobs losses Was that due to manufacturing moving to China ? Remember that’s where we all buy our stuff from. This country is its own worst enemy. " Yes manufacturing moved east partly because of wages but partly because of energy costs, the pottery industry is very energy intensive because every piece of pottery has to be fired twice and green levies and taxes imposed/enforced by the EU on energy made many businesses unviable. The UK government are now free to redress the balance with tax relief on energy or whatever, who knows | |||
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"I have worked with a few self employed Irish men over the years they all seem to go back to Ireland owing tax & our tax system seems incapable of finding them. so they push wages down in this country & dont pay tax, freedom of movement was a disaster for the British worker " I wonder where the blame will go once FoM ends? The UK Gov and austerity is to blame for regional inequality and the underfunded NHS. Foreign workers were an easy scape goat. People will see that their problems wont go away with Brexit. Who will they blame now? Remain voters? Labour? The 'left' wing? Tories who aren't Eurosceptic enough? The 'establishment'? Boris? May? | |||
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"I have worked with a few self employed Irish men over the years they all seem to go back to Ireland owing tax & our tax system seems incapable of finding them. so they push wages down in this country & dont pay tax, freedom of movement was a disaster for the British worker I wonder where the blame will go once FoM ends? The UK Gov and austerity is to blame for regional inequality and the underfunded NHS. Foreign workers were an easy scape goat. People will see that their problems wont go away with Brexit. Who will they blame now? Remain voters? Labour? The 'left' wing? Tories who aren't Eurosceptic enough? The 'establishment'? Boris? May? " The good thing is now they have no one to blame so they will have to up their game otherwise the people will simply elect another government | |||
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"I have worked with a few self employed Irish men over the years they all seem to go back to Ireland owing tax & our tax system seems incapable of finding them. so they push wages down in this country & dont pay tax, freedom of movement was a disaster for the British worker I wonder where the blame will go once FoM ends? The UK Gov and austerity is to blame for regional inequality and the underfunded NHS. Foreign workers were an easy scape goat. People will see that their problems wont go away with Brexit. Who will they blame now? Remain voters? Labour? The 'left' wing? Tories who aren't Eurosceptic enough? The 'establishment'? Boris? May? " So far they've blamed: - Remainers - Socialists/communists (as if they were some kind of single entity) - Corbyn - Still the EU - Few lads in a dinghy in the channel. | |||
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"I have worked with a few self employed Irish men over the years they all seem to go back to Ireland owing tax & our tax system seems incapable of finding them. so they push wages down in this country & dont pay tax, freedom of movement was a disaster for the British worker I wonder where the blame will go once FoM ends? The UK Gov and austerity is to blame for regional inequality and the underfunded NHS. Foreign workers were an easy scape goat. People will see that their problems wont go away with Brexit. Who will they blame now? Remain voters? Labour? The 'left' wing? Tories who aren't Eurosceptic enough? The 'establishment'? Boris? May? So far they've blamed: - Remainers - Socialists/communists (as if they were some kind of single entity) - Corbyn - Still the EU - Few lads in a dinghy in the channel. " - The Judicary - John Bercow - Gina Miller - Ireland | |||
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"I forgot to respond to the 30000 jobs losses Was that due to manufacturing moving to China ? Remember that’s where we all buy our stuff from. This country is its own worst enemy. Yes manufacturing moved east partly because of wages but partly because of energy costs, the pottery industry is very energy intensive because every piece of pottery has to be fired twice and green levies and taxes imposed/enforced by the EU on energy made many businesses unviable. The UK government are now free to redress the balance with tax relief on energy or whatever, who knows "I think it was mostly wages to be truthful. So basically there is an 8% levy imposed by our own government to support grants to renewables. Those grants were given amongst others Cameron’s father in law who received an “extra” half million a year for the wind farms on his land and to other land owners across the country. ( they can still keep their electricity payments too.). The increase in grants was passed by Cameron and could have been spent on saving jobs in Stoke. So rather than just subsidising energy it’s generously given to support already rich people. You can’t make this stuff up. Pottery Cement and steel seem to be the biggest losers. Not many of those around London so don’t get attention. Yet again the northern industries lose to a handful of rich elite. | |||
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"I forgot to respond to the 30000 jobs losses Was that due to manufacturing moving to China ? Remember that’s where we all buy our stuff from. This country is its own worst enemy. Yes manufacturing moved east partly because of wages but partly because of energy costs, the pottery industry is very energy intensive because every piece of pottery has to be fired twice and green levies and taxes imposed/enforced by the EU on energy made many businesses unviable. The UK government are now free to redress the balance with tax relief on energy or whatever, who knows
I think it was mostly wages to be truthful.
So basically there is an 8% levy imposed by our own government to support grants to renewables. Those grants were given amongst others Cameron’s father in law who received an “extra” half million a year for the wind farms on his land and to other land owners across the country. ( they can still keep their electricity payments too.). The increase in grants was passed by Cameron and could have been spent on saving jobs in Stoke. So rather than just subsidising energy it’s generously given to support already rich people.
You can’t make this stuff up.
Pottery Cement and steel seem to be the biggest losers. Not many of those around London so don’t get attention.
Yet again the northern industries lose to a handful of rich elite.
"nothing new there then aslong as London’s ok tho eh lol | |||
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"I forgot to respond to the 30000 jobs losses Was that due to manufacturing moving to China ? Remember that’s where we all buy our stuff from. This country is its own worst enemy. Yes manufacturing moved east partly because of wages but partly because of energy costs, the pottery industry is very energy intensive because every piece of pottery has to be fired twice and green levies and taxes imposed/enforced by the EU on energy made many businesses unviable. The UK government are now free to redress the balance with tax relief on energy or whatever, who knows
I think it was mostly wages to be truthful.
So basically there is an 8% levy imposed by our own government to support grants to renewables. Those grants were given amongst others Cameron’s father in law who received an “extra” half million a year for the wind farms on his land and to other land owners across the country. ( they can still keep their electricity payments too.). The increase in grants was passed by Cameron and could have been spent on saving jobs in Stoke. So rather than just subsidising energy it’s generously given to support already rich people.
You can’t make this stuff up.
Pottery Cement and steel seem to be the biggest losers. Not many of those around London so don’t get attention.
Yet again the northern industries lose to a handful of rich elite.
nothing new there then aslong as London’s ok tho eh lol"You just posted investment in London as a good thing before, I mean you couldn't provide any context or detail when questioned but you were selling it as a bonus. | |||
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"I forgot to respond to the 30000 jobs losses Was that due to manufacturing moving to China ? Remember that’s where we all buy our stuff from. This country is its own worst enemy. Yes manufacturing moved east partly because of wages but partly because of energy costs, the pottery industry is very energy intensive because every piece of pottery has to be fired twice and green levies and taxes imposed/enforced by the EU on energy made many businesses unviable. The UK government are now free to redress the balance with tax relief on energy or whatever, who knows
I think it was mostly wages to be truthful.
So basically there is an 8% levy imposed by our own government to support grants to renewables. Those grants were given amongst others Cameron’s father in law who received an “extra” half million a year for the wind farms on his land and to other land owners across the country. ( they can still keep their electricity payments too.). The increase in grants was passed by Cameron and could have been spent on saving jobs in Stoke. So rather than just subsidising energy it’s generously given to support already rich people.
You can’t make this stuff up.
Pottery Cement and steel seem to be the biggest losers. Not many of those around London so don’t get attention.
Yet again the northern industries lose to a handful of rich elite.
nothing new there then aslong as London’s ok tho eh lol"Ye, was that Cameron bloke a Remainer by any chance? | |||
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"I forgot to respond to the 30000 jobs losses Was that due to manufacturing moving to China ? Remember that’s where we all buy our stuff from. This country is its own worst enemy. Yes manufacturing moved east partly because of wages but partly because of energy costs, the pottery industry is very energy intensive because every piece of pottery has to be fired twice and green levies and taxes imposed/enforced by the EU on energy made many businesses unviable. The UK government are now free to redress the balance with tax relief on energy or whatever, who knows
I think it was mostly wages to be truthful.
So basically there is an 8% levy imposed by our own government to support grants to renewables. Those grants were given amongst others Cameron’s father in law who received an “extra” half million a year for the wind farms on his land and to other land owners across the country. ( they can still keep their electricity payments too.). The increase in grants was passed by Cameron and could have been spent on saving jobs in Stoke. So rather than just subsidising energy it’s generously given to support already rich people.
You can’t make this stuff up.
Pottery Cement and steel seem to be the biggest losers. Not many of those around London so don’t get attention.
Yet again the northern industries lose to a handful of rich elite.
nothing new there then aslong as London’s ok tho eh lol
You just posted investment in London as a good thing before, I mean you couldn't provide any context or detail when questioned but you were selling it as a bonus."what are you talking about it was on bbc1 news I caught the back end of it get it up on internet see for yeself ffs it’s good news for the country I’m from the northeast mate couldn’t care less about London tbh so what’s ye point | |||
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"I forgot to respond to the 30000 jobs losses Was that due to manufacturing moving to China ? Remember that’s where we all buy our stuff from. This country is its own worst enemy. Yes manufacturing moved east partly because of wages but partly because of energy costs, the pottery industry is very energy intensive because every piece of pottery has to be fired twice and green levies and taxes imposed/enforced by the EU on energy made many businesses unviable. The UK government are now free to redress the balance with tax relief on energy or whatever, who knows
I think it was mostly wages to be truthful.
So basically there is an 8% levy imposed by our own government to support grants to renewables. Those grants were given amongst others Cameron’s father in law who received an “extra” half million a year for the wind farms on his land and to other land owners across the country. ( they can still keep their electricity payments too.). The increase in grants was passed by Cameron and could have been spent on saving jobs in Stoke. So rather than just subsidising energy it’s generously given to support already rich people.
You can’t make this stuff up.
Pottery Cement and steel seem to be the biggest losers. Not many of those around London so don’t get attention.
Yet again the northern industries lose to a handful of rich elite.
nothing new there then aslong as London’s ok tho eh lol
You just posted investment in London as a good thing before, I mean you couldn't provide any context or detail when questioned but you were selling it as a bonus.what are you talking about it was on bbc1 news I caught the back end of it get it up on internet see for yeself ffs it’s good news for the country I’m from the northeast mate couldn’t care less about London tbh so what’s ye point "Why did you mention it then? It was about London! What time was it on at approximately? | |||
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"I forgot to respond to the 30000 jobs losses Was that due to manufacturing moving to China ? Remember that’s where we all buy our stuff from. This country is its own worst enemy. Yes manufacturing moved east partly because of wages but partly because of energy costs, the pottery industry is very energy intensive because every piece of pottery has to be fired twice and green levies and taxes imposed/enforced by the EU on energy made many businesses unviable. The UK government are now free to redress the balance with tax relief on energy or whatever, who knows
I think it was mostly wages to be truthful.
So basically there is an 8% levy imposed by our own government to support grants to renewables. Those grants were given amongst others Cameron’s father in law who received an “extra” half million a year for the wind farms on his land and to other land owners across the country. ( they can still keep their electricity payments too.). The increase in grants was passed by Cameron and could have been spent on saving jobs in Stoke. So rather than just subsidising energy it’s generously given to support already rich people.
You can’t make this stuff up.
Pottery Cement and steel seem to be the biggest losers. Not many of those around London so don’t get attention.
Yet again the northern industries lose to a handful of rich elite.
nothing new there then aslong as London’s ok tho eh lol
You just posted investment in London as a good thing before, I mean you couldn't provide any context or detail when questioned but you were selling it as a bonus.what are you talking about it was on bbc1 news I caught the back end of it get it up on internet see for yeself ffs it’s good news for the country I’m from the northeast mate couldn’t care less about London tbh so what’s ye point
Why did you mention it then? It was about London! What time was it on at approximately?"it’s the city of London so it’s good news for the economy isn’t it ? 6 ocklock news bbc1 it’s on every night it’s the 6 o’clock news should wach it sometimes then you won’t be thinking people are making shit up ffs | |||
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"I forgot to respond to the 30000 jobs losses Was that due to manufacturing moving to China ? Remember that’s where we all buy our stuff from. This country is its own worst enemy. Yes manufacturing moved east partly because of wages but partly because of energy costs, the pottery industry is very energy intensive because every piece of pottery has to be fired twice and green levies and taxes imposed/enforced by the EU on energy made many businesses unviable. The UK government are now free to redress the balance with tax relief on energy or whatever, who knows
I think it was mostly wages to be truthful.
So basically there is an 8% levy imposed by our own government to support grants to renewables. Those grants were given amongst others Cameron’s father in law who received an “extra” half million a year for the wind farms on his land and to other land owners across the country. ( they can still keep their electricity payments too.). The increase in grants was passed by Cameron and could have been spent on saving jobs in Stoke. So rather than just subsidising energy it’s generously given to support already rich people.
You can’t make this stuff up.
Pottery Cement and steel seem to be the biggest losers. Not many of those around London so don’t get attention.
Yet again the northern industries lose to a handful of rich elite.
nothing new there then aslong as London’s ok tho eh lol
You just posted investment in London as a good thing before, I mean you couldn't provide any context or detail when questioned but you were selling it as a bonus.what are you talking about it was on bbc1 news I caught the back end of it get it up on internet see for yeself ffs it’s good news for the country I’m from the northeast mate couldn’t care less about London tbh so what’s ye point
Why did you mention it then? It was about London! What time was it on at approximately?it’s the city of London so it’s good news for the economy isn’t it ? 6 ocklock news bbc1 it’s on every night it’s the 6 o’clock news should wach it sometimes then you won’t be thinking people are making shit up ffs "You have been unable to provide any real context, so it's hard to find what you are on about. You also claim not to care about London but then post about it when it suits, even if you can't really back it up with anything. | |||
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"I forgot to respond to the 30000 jobs losses Was that due to manufacturing moving to China ? Remember that’s where we all buy our stuff from. This country is its own worst enemy. Yes manufacturing moved east partly because of wages but partly because of energy costs, the pottery industry is very energy intensive because every piece of pottery has to be fired twice and green levies and taxes imposed/enforced by the EU on energy made many businesses unviable. The UK government are now free to redress the balance with tax relief on energy or whatever, who knows
I think it was mostly wages to be truthful.
So basically there is an 8% levy imposed by our own government to support grants to renewables. Those grants were given amongst others Cameron’s father in law who received an “extra” half million a year for the wind farms on his land and to other land owners across the country. ( they can still keep their electricity payments too.). The increase in grants was passed by Cameron and could have been spent on saving jobs in Stoke. So rather than just subsidising energy it’s generously given to support already rich people.
You can’t make this stuff up.
Pottery Cement and steel seem to be the biggest losers. Not many of those around London so don’t get attention.
Yet again the northern industries lose to a handful of rich elite.
nothing new there then aslong as London’s ok tho eh lol
You just posted investment in London as a good thing before, I mean you couldn't provide any context or detail when questioned but you were selling it as a bonus.what are you talking about it was on bbc1 news I caught the back end of it get it up on internet see for yeself ffs it’s good news for the country I’m from the northeast mate couldn’t care less about London tbh so what’s ye point
Why did you mention it then? It was about London! What time was it on at approximately?it’s the city of London so it’s good news for the economy isn’t it ? 6 ocklock news bbc1 it’s on every night it’s the 6 o’clock news should wach it sometimes then you won’t be thinking people are making shit up ffs
You have been unable to provide any real context, so it's hard to find what you are on about.
You also claim not to care about London but then post about it when it suits, even if you can't really back it up with anything."ffs get a grip mate have you not got cathup wach it god knows how many must of seen it then you don’t have to accuse me of lying bud I don’t care about London I care about my country tho so good news is good news to me prefer money to drip into the north more tho | |||
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"I forgot to respond to the 30000 jobs losses Was that due to manufacturing moving to China ? Remember that’s where we all buy our stuff from. This country is its own worst enemy. Yes manufacturing moved east partly because of wages but partly because of energy costs, the pottery industry is very energy intensive because every piece of pottery has to be fired twice and green levies and taxes imposed/enforced by the EU on energy made many businesses unviable. The UK government are now free to redress the balance with tax relief on energy or whatever, who knows
I think it was mostly wages to be truthful.
So basically there is an 8% levy imposed by our own government to support grants to renewables. Those grants were given amongst others Cameron’s father in law who received an “extra” half million a year for the wind farms on his land and to other land owners across the country. ( they can still keep their electricity payments too.). The increase in grants was passed by Cameron and could have been spent on saving jobs in Stoke. So rather than just subsidising energy it’s generously given to support already rich people.
You can’t make this stuff up.
Pottery Cement and steel seem to be the biggest losers. Not many of those around London so don’t get attention.
Yet again the northern industries lose to a handful of rich elite.
nothing new there then aslong as London’s ok tho eh lol
You just posted investment in London as a good thing before, I mean you couldn't provide any context or detail when questioned but you were selling it as a bonus.what are you talking about it was on bbc1 news I caught the back end of it get it up on internet see for yeself ffs it’s good news for the country I’m from the northeast mate couldn’t care less about London tbh so what’s ye point
Why did you mention it then? It was about London! What time was it on at approximately?it’s the city of London so it’s good news for the economy isn’t it ? 6 ocklock news bbc1 it’s on every night it’s the 6 o’clock news should wach it sometimes then you won’t be thinking people are making shit up ffs
You have been unable to provide any real context, so it's hard to find what you are on about.
You also claim not to care about London but then post about it when it suits, even if you can't really back it up with anything.ffs get a grip mate have you not got cathup wach it god knows how many must of seen it then you don’t have to accuse me of lying bud I don’t care about London I care about my country tho so good news is good news to me prefer money to drip into the north more tho ""I’m from the northeast mate couldn’t care less about London tbh so what’s ye point" | |||
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"I forgot to respond to the 30000 jobs losses Was that due to manufacturing moving to China ? Remember that’s where we all buy our stuff from. This country is its own worst enemy. Yes manufacturing moved east partly because of wages but partly because of energy costs, the pottery industry is very energy intensive because every piece of pottery has to be fired twice and green levies and taxes imposed/enforced by the EU on energy made many businesses unviable. The UK government are now free to redress the balance with tax relief on energy or whatever, who knows
I think it was mostly wages to be truthful.
So basically there is an 8% levy imposed by our own government to support grants to renewables. Those grants were given amongst others Cameron’s father in law who received an “extra” half million a year for the wind farms on his land and to other land owners across the country. ( they can still keep their electricity payments too.). The increase in grants was passed by Cameron and could have been spent on saving jobs in Stoke. So rather than just subsidising energy it’s generously given to support already rich people.
You can’t make this stuff up.
Pottery Cement and steel seem to be the biggest losers. Not many of those around London so don’t get attention.
Yet again the northern industries lose to a handful of rich elite.
nothing new there then aslong as London’s ok tho eh lol"I’ve mostly been a conservative voter until Boris but I’m really getting fed up with the divide in this country. Yes I’ve done very nicely but I also have friends around the country who I’ve made on my journey who’ve had no chance to succeed. Not because they’re not hard working or smart enough but because of being in such shit areas of the country and having both poor education options and lack of investment in jobs. London where there were jobs was too expensive to live. Ok if you have family there. We should invest in manufacturing and hi tech going forward, From the mining communities to the steel and engineering works they have all been shafted by everything being centred on London for too long. It’s why I bang on about tax so much and the elite still getting the best deal. | |||
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