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over a year ago
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"If Iran have her on house arrest, what can the government do?
By that I mean, do you want them to arrange to go take her by force?
Do you know why she is being held? That's a genuine question."
Well I know why they say they are holding her. That's most likely bullshit but still, should we take her by force because that seems like the only option right now.
Iran aren't exactly known for being diplomatic in situations like this. |
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"If Iran have her on house arrest, what can the government do?
By that I mean, do you want them to arrange to go take her by force?
Do you know why she is being held? That's a genuine question.
Well I know why they say they are holding her. That's most likely bullshit but still, should we take her by force because that seems like the only option right now.
Iran aren't exactly known for being diplomatic in situations like this."
She is being held as Britain broke a contract with Iran for tanks, we wouldn't hand them over (challenger I tanks). Iran said "right we'll have our money back then"
Britain said no.
This has been going backwards and forwards for about 40
years.
We lost in the arbitration process, and have only just acknowledged we owed the money.
That's why Iran is very pissed off with Britain.
If we pay what we owe, it would be a huge stride in sorting out diplomatic relations. |
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over a year ago
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"If Iran have her on house arrest, what can the government do?
By that I mean, do you want them to arrange to go take her by force?
Do you know why she is being held? That's a genuine question.
Well I know why they say they are holding her. That's most likely bullshit but still, should we take her by force because that seems like the only option right now.
Iran aren't exactly known for being diplomatic in situations like this.
She is being held as Britain broke a contract with Iran for tanks, we wouldn't hand them over (challenger I tanks). Iran said "right we'll have our money back then"
Britain said no.
This has been going backwards and forwards for about 40
years.
We lost in the arbitration process, and have only just acknowledged we owed the money.
That's why Iran is very pissed off with Britain.
If we pay what we owe, it would be a huge stride in sorting out diplomatic relations. "
So we should pay Iran for a citizen?
I don't dispute that money is owed but that is not the reason they are holding her (according to them). |
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"If Iran have her on house arrest, what can the government do?
By that I mean, do you want them to arrange to go take her by force?
Do you know why she is being held? That's a genuine question.
Well I know why they say they are holding her. That's most likely bullshit but still, should we take her by force because that seems like the only option right now.
Iran aren't exactly known for being diplomatic in situations like this.
She is being held as Britain broke a contract with Iran for tanks, we wouldn't hand them over (challenger I tanks). Iran said "right we'll have our money back then"
Britain said no.
This has been going backwards and forwards for about 40
years.
We lost in the arbitration process, and have only just acknowledged we owed the money.
That's why Iran is very pissed off with Britain.
If we pay what we owe, it would be a huge stride in sorting out diplomatic relations.
So we should pay Iran for a citizen?
I don't dispute that money is owed but that is not the reason they are holding her (according to them)."
They are holding her on trumped up charges as she was on the wrong place at the wrong time.
Pay the £400 million and I think we'd all be please to observe what happens.
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"If Iran have her on house arrest, what can the government do?
By that I mean, do you want them to arrange to go take her by force?
Do you know why she is being held? That's a genuine question.
Well I know why they say they are holding her. That's most likely bullshit but still, should we take her by force because that seems like the only option right now.
Iran aren't exactly known for being diplomatic in situations like this.
She is being held as Britain broke a contract with Iran for tanks, we wouldn't hand them over (challenger I tanks). Iran said "right we'll have our money back then"
Britain said no.
This has been going backwards and forwards for about 40
years.
We lost in the arbitration process, and have only just acknowledged we owed the money.
That's why Iran is very pissed off with Britain.
If we pay what we owe, it would be a huge stride in sorting out diplomatic relations.
So we should pay Iran for a citizen?
I don't dispute that money is owed but that is not the reason they are holding her (according to them).
They are holding her on trumped up charges as she was on the wrong place at the wrong time.
Pay the £400 million and I think we'd all be please to observe what happens.
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That's what we should do. We should pay for hostage release  |
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"If Iran have her on house arrest, what can the government do?
By that I mean, do you want them to arrange to go take her by force?
Do you know why she is being held? That's a genuine question.
Well I know why they say they are holding her. That's most likely bullshit but still, should we take her by force because that seems like the only option right now.
Iran aren't exactly known for being diplomatic in situations like this.
She is being held as Britain broke a contract with Iran for tanks, we wouldn't hand them over (challenger I tanks). Iran said "right we'll have our money back then"
Britain said no.
This has been going backwards and forwards for about 40
years.
We lost in the arbitration process, and have only just acknowledged we owed the money.
That's why Iran is very pissed off with Britain.
If we pay what we owe, it would be a huge stride in sorting out diplomatic relations.
So we should pay Iran for a citizen?
I don't dispute that money is owed but that is not the reason they are holding her (according to them).
They are holding her on trumped up charges as she was on the wrong place at the wrong time.
Pay the £400 million and I think we'd all be please to observe what happens.
That's what we should do. We should pay for hostage release "
If we'd honoured our contracts we wouldn't be in this position.
We've had 12 years since losing the arbitration.
The government needs to get round the table and come to a mutually acceptable agreement.
In the meantime we should be putting the pressure on the government to do this.
She has done nothing wrong. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"If Iran have her on house arrest, what can the government do?
By that I mean, do you want them to arrange to go take her by force?
Do you know why she is being held? That's a genuine question.
Well I know why they say they are holding her. That's most likely bullshit but still, should we take her by force because that seems like the only option right now.
Iran aren't exactly known for being diplomatic in situations like this.
She is being held as Britain broke a contract with Iran for tanks, we wouldn't hand them over (challenger I tanks). Iran said "right we'll have our money back then"
Britain said no.
This has been going backwards and forwards for about 40
years.
We lost in the arbitration process, and have only just acknowledged we owed the money.
That's why Iran is very pissed off with Britain.
If we pay what we owe, it would be a huge stride in sorting out diplomatic relations.
So we should pay Iran for a citizen?
I don't dispute that money is owed but that is not the reason they are holding her (according to them).
They are holding her on trumped up charges as she was on the wrong place at the wrong time.
Pay the £400 million and I think we'd all be please to observe what happens.
That's what we should do. We should pay for hostage release
If we'd honoured our contracts we wouldn't be in this position.
We've had 12 years since losing the arbitration.
The government needs to get round the table and come to a mutually acceptable agreement.
In the meantime we should be putting the pressure on the government to do this.
She has done nothing wrong."
As you said, it's been going on for 40 years. Why is the government of that day getting the heat? It just seems like you wanna bash them at any opportunity.
Pay them the money we owe them.
I'd be asking for release first though, I would never pay for release of a hostage.
On a final note, do we actually know for sure she has done nothing wrong? I personally don't think she has but isn't that for the courts to decide. |
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"If Iran have her on house arrest, what can the government do?
By that I mean, do you want them to arrange to go take her by force?
Do you know why she is being held? That's a genuine question.
Well I know why they say they are holding her. That's most likely bullshit but still, should we take her by force because that seems like the only option right now.
Iran aren't exactly known for being diplomatic in situations like this.
She is being held as Britain broke a contract with Iran for tanks, we wouldn't hand them over (challenger I tanks). Iran said "right we'll have our money back then"
Britain said no.
This has been going backwards and forwards for about 40
years.
We lost in the arbitration process, and have only just acknowledged we owed the money.
That's why Iran is very pissed off with Britain.
If we pay what we owe, it would be a huge stride in sorting out diplomatic relations.
So we should pay Iran for a citizen?
I don't dispute that money is owed but that is not the reason they are holding her (according to them).
They are holding her on trumped up charges as she was on the wrong place at the wrong time.
Pay the £400 million and I think we'd all be please to observe what happens.
That's what we should do. We should pay for hostage release
If we'd honoured our contracts we wouldn't be in this position.
We've had 12 years since losing the arbitration.
The government needs to get round the table and come to a mutually acceptable agreement.
In the meantime we should be putting the pressure on the government to do this.
She has done nothing wrong.
As you said, it's been going on for 40 years. Why is the government of that day getting the heat? It just seems like you wanna bash them at any opportunity.
Pay them the money we owe them.
I'd be asking for release first though, I would never pay for release of a hostage.
On a final note, do we actually know for sure she has done nothing wrong? I personally don't think she has but isn't that for the courts to decide."
If memory serves it was the Thatcher government that embargoed the tanks. Other governments have been left trying to sort the mess out.
The "handover" should be relatively easy to sort out:
Money goes into escrow
She is released
Money released from escrow
It takes state craft and desire.
Both seem to be lacking. |
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"If Iran have her on house arrest, what can the government do?
By that I mean, do you want them to arrange to go take her by force?
Do you know why she is being held? That's a genuine question.
Well I know why they say they are holding her. That's most likely bullshit but still, should we take her by force because that seems like the only option right now.
Iran aren't exactly known for being diplomatic in situations like this.
She is being held as Britain broke a contract with Iran for tanks, we wouldn't hand them over (challenger I tanks). Iran said "right we'll have our money back then"
Britain said no.
This has been going backwards and forwards for about 40
years.
We lost in the arbitration process, and have only just acknowledged we owed the money.
That's why Iran is very pissed off with Britain.
If we pay what we owe, it would be a huge stride in sorting out diplomatic relations.
So we should pay Iran for a citizen?
I don't dispute that money is owed but that is not the reason they are holding her (according to them).
They are holding her on trumped up charges as she was on the wrong place at the wrong time.
Pay the £400 million and I think we'd all be please to observe what happens.
That's what we should do. We should pay for hostage release
If we'd honoured our contracts we wouldn't be in this position.
We've had 12 years since losing the arbitration.
The government needs to get round the table and come to a mutually acceptable agreement.
In the meantime we should be putting the pressure on the government to do this.
She has done nothing wrong.
As you said, it's been going on for 40 years. Why is the government of that day getting the heat? It just seems like you wanna bash them at any opportunity.
Pay them the money we owe them.
I'd be asking for release first though, I would never pay for release of a hostage.
On a final note, do we actually know for sure she has done nothing wrong? I personally don't think she has but isn't that for the courts to decide."
Definitely this ^^^^
Needs to be done through back channels and hushed up on both sides, no way we can be seen paying for hostage release that’s total madness. |
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"If Iran have her on house arrest, what can the government do?
By that I mean, do you want them to arrange to go take her by force?
Do you know why she is being held? That's a genuine question.
Well I know why they say they are holding her. That's most likely bullshit but still, should we take her by force because that seems like the only option right now.
Iran aren't exactly known for being diplomatic in situations like this.
She is being held as Britain broke a contract with Iran for tanks, we wouldn't hand them over (challenger I tanks). Iran said "right we'll have our money back then"
Britain said no.
This has been going backwards and forwards for about 40
years.
We lost in the arbitration process, and have only just acknowledged we owed the money.
That's why Iran is very pissed off with Britain.
If we pay what we owe, it would be a huge stride in sorting out diplomatic relations.
So we should pay Iran for a citizen?
I don't dispute that money is owed but that is not the reason they are holding her (according to them).
They are holding her on trumped up charges as she was on the wrong place at the wrong time.
Pay the £400 million and I think we'd all be please to observe what happens.
That's what we should do. We should pay for hostage release
If we'd honoured our contracts we wouldn't be in this position.
We've had 12 years since losing the arbitration.
The government needs to get round the table and come to a mutually acceptable agreement.
In the meantime we should be putting the pressure on the government to do this.
She has done nothing wrong.
As you said, it's been going on for 40 years. Why is the government of that day getting the heat? It just seems like you wanna bash them at any opportunity.
Pay them the money we owe them.
I'd be asking for release first though, I would never pay for release of a hostage.
On a final note, do we actually know for sure she has done nothing wrong? I personally don't think she has but isn't that for the courts to decide.
Definitely this ^^^^
Needs to be done through back channels and hushed up on both sides, no way we can be seen paying for hostage release that’s total madness."
The courts did decide. She was found guilty.
She is due back in court for further charges to be presented.
Government simply not acting |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"If Iran have her on house arrest, what can the government do?
By that I mean, do you want them to arrange to go take her by force?
Do you know why she is being held? That's a genuine question.
Well I know why they say they are holding her. That's most likely bullshit but still, should we take her by force because that seems like the only option right now.
Iran aren't exactly known for being diplomatic in situations like this.
She is being held as Britain broke a contract with Iran for tanks, we wouldn't hand them over (challenger I tanks). Iran said "right we'll have our money back then"
Britain said no.
This has been going backwards and forwards for about 40
years.
We lost in the arbitration process, and have only just acknowledged we owed the money.
That's why Iran is very pissed off with Britain.
If we pay what we owe, it would be a huge stride in sorting out diplomatic relations.
So we should pay Iran for a citizen?
I don't dispute that money is owed but that is not the reason they are holding her (according to them).
They are holding her on trumped up charges as she was on the wrong place at the wrong time.
Pay the £400 million and I think we'd all be please to observe what happens.
That's what we should do. We should pay for hostage release
If we'd honoured our contracts we wouldn't be in this position.
We've had 12 years since losing the arbitration.
The government needs to get round the table and come to a mutually acceptable agreement.
In the meantime we should be putting the pressure on the government to do this.
She has done nothing wrong.
As you said, it's been going on for 40 years. Why is the government of that day getting the heat? It just seems like you wanna bash them at any opportunity.
Pay them the money we owe them.
I'd be asking for release first though, I would never pay for release of a hostage.
On a final note, do we actually know for sure she has done nothing wrong? I personally don't think she has but isn't that for the courts to decide.
If memory serves it was the Thatcher government that embargoed the tanks. Other governments have been left trying to sort the mess out.
The "handover" should be relatively easy to sort out:
Money goes into escrow
She is released
Money released from escrow
It takes state craft and desire.
Both seem to be lacking."
Escrow would be one way of doing it yes. From what I understand though, there is still a dispute over the figure (interest).
Sounds relatively easy but in reality it's not so simple. For a start who will act as escrow? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"If Iran have her on house arrest, what can the government do?
By that I mean, do you want them to arrange to go take her by force?
Do you know why she is being held? That's a genuine question.
Well I know why they say they are holding her. That's most likely bullshit but still, should we take her by force because that seems like the only option right now.
Iran aren't exactly known for being diplomatic in situations like this.
She is being held as Britain broke a contract with Iran for tanks, we wouldn't hand them over (challenger I tanks). Iran said "right we'll have our money back then"
Britain said no.
This has been going backwards and forwards for about 40
years.
We lost in the arbitration process, and have only just acknowledged we owed the money.
That's why Iran is very pissed off with Britain.
If we pay what we owe, it would be a huge stride in sorting out diplomatic relations.
So we should pay Iran for a citizen?
I don't dispute that money is owed but that is not the reason they are holding her (according to them).
They are holding her on trumped up charges as she was on the wrong place at the wrong time.
Pay the £400 million and I think we'd all be please to observe what happens.
That's what we should do. We should pay for hostage release
If we'd honoured our contracts we wouldn't be in this position.
We've had 12 years since losing the arbitration.
The government needs to get round the table and come to a mutually acceptable agreement.
In the meantime we should be putting the pressure on the government to do this.
She has done nothing wrong.
As you said, it's been going on for 40 years. Why is the government of that day getting the heat? It just seems like you wanna bash them at any opportunity.
Pay them the money we owe them.
I'd be asking for release first though, I would never pay for release of a hostage.
On a final note, do we actually know for sure she has done nothing wrong? I personally don't think she has but isn't that for the courts to decide.
Definitely this ^^^^
Needs to be done through back channels and hushed up on both sides, no way we can be seen paying for hostage release that’s total madness.
The courts did decide. She was found guilty.
She is due back in court for further charges to be presented.
Government simply not acting "
The courts decided she was guilty of espionage but you said she has done nothing wrong.
The new charges haven't been found either way yet. |
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"If Iran have her on house arrest, what can the government do?
By that I mean, do you want them to arrange to go take her by force?
Do you know why she is being held? That's a genuine question.
Well I know why they say they are holding her. That's most likely bullshit but still, should we take her by force because that seems like the only option right now.
Iran aren't exactly known for being diplomatic in situations like this.
She is being held as Britain broke a contract with Iran for tanks, we wouldn't hand them over (challenger I tanks). Iran said "right we'll have our money back then"
Britain said no.
This has been going backwards and forwards for about 40
years.
We lost in the arbitration process, and have only just acknowledged we owed the money.
That's why Iran is very pissed off with Britain.
If we pay what we owe, it would be a huge stride in sorting out diplomatic relations.
So we should pay Iran for a citizen?
I don't dispute that money is owed but that is not the reason they are holding her (according to them).
They are holding her on trumped up charges as she was on the wrong place at the wrong time.
Pay the £400 million and I think we'd all be please to observe what happens.
That's what we should do. We should pay for hostage release
If we'd honoured our contracts we wouldn't be in this position.
We've had 12 years since losing the arbitration.
The government needs to get round the table and come to a mutually acceptable agreement.
In the meantime we should be putting the pressure on the government to do this.
She has done nothing wrong.
As you said, it's been going on for 40 years. Why is the government of that day getting the heat? It just seems like you wanna bash them at any opportunity.
Pay them the money we owe them.
I'd be asking for release first though, I would never pay for release of a hostage.
On a final note, do we actually know for sure she has done nothing wrong? I personally don't think she has but isn't that for the courts to decide.
Definitely this ^^^^
Needs to be done through back channels and hushed up on both sides, no way we can be seen paying for hostage release that’s total madness.
The courts did decide. She was found guilty.
She is due back in court for further charges to be presented.
Government simply not acting
The courts decided she was guilty of espionage but you said she has done nothing wrong.
The new charges haven't been found either way yet."
Earlier poster said courts should decide. They did. Iranian courts have jurisdiction.
We shouldn't have put her in this situation.
We should honour our international contracts and agreements |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"If Iran have her on house arrest, what can the government do?
By that I mean, do you want them to arrange to go take her by force?
Do you know why she is being held? That's a genuine question.
Well I know why they say they are holding her. That's most likely bullshit but still, should we take her by force because that seems like the only option right now.
Iran aren't exactly known for being diplomatic in situations like this.
She is being held as Britain broke a contract with Iran for tanks, we wouldn't hand them over (challenger I tanks). Iran said "right we'll have our money back then"
Britain said no.
This has been going backwards and forwards for about 40
years.
We lost in the arbitration process, and have only just acknowledged we owed the money.
That's why Iran is very pissed off with Britain.
If we pay what we owe, it would be a huge stride in sorting out diplomatic relations.
So we should pay Iran for a citizen?
I don't dispute that money is owed but that is not the reason they are holding her (according to them).
They are holding her on trumped up charges as she was on the wrong place at the wrong time.
Pay the £400 million and I think we'd all be please to observe what happens.
That's what we should do. We should pay for hostage release
If we'd honoured our contracts we wouldn't be in this position.
We've had 12 years since losing the arbitration.
The government needs to get round the table and come to a mutually acceptable agreement.
In the meantime we should be putting the pressure on the government to do this.
She has done nothing wrong.
As you said, it's been going on for 40 years. Why is the government of that day getting the heat? It just seems like you wanna bash them at any opportunity.
Pay them the money we owe them.
I'd be asking for release first though, I would never pay for release of a hostage.
On a final note, do we actually know for sure she has done nothing wrong? I personally don't think she has but isn't that for the courts to decide.
Definitely this ^^^^
Needs to be done through back channels and hushed up on both sides, no way we can be seen paying for hostage release that’s total madness.
The courts did decide. She was found guilty.
She is due back in court for further charges to be presented.
Government simply not acting
The courts decided she was guilty of espionage but you said she has done nothing wrong.
The new charges haven't been found either way yet.
Earlier poster said courts should decide. They did. Iranian courts have jurisdiction.
We shouldn't have put her in this situation.
We should honour our international contracts and agreements "
I think you're getting it twisted. I said the courts should decide after you had said she has done nothing wrong.
'We' didn't put her in the situation. A contractual obligation does not translate to hostage taking however hard you try to say it does. |
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"We should honour our international contracts and agreements "
i agree.
also our then foreign secretary shouldn't have worsened the situation imeasurably by lying followed by making flippant and derisory comments, then topping it all off by refusing to appologise. |
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"johnson messed this up terribly ...
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-nazanin-zaghari-ratcliffe-iran-refuse-apology-prison-sentence-a8042296.html"
Completely out of character that
I'm not sure am out all war would be a great idea
Surely in the past,this would be something the foreign diplomats would sort out with some behind The scenes deal? |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
They would be Chieftan tanks and armoured vehicles that weren't delivered.
Both sides have expressed a desire to settle but there is a but. EU sanctions against Iran, wouldn't allow for the payment to be made.
Iran have upped the stakes since the Referendum, now believing that they can get the money now we are out of the EU. |
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"They would be Chieftan tanks and armoured vehicles that weren't delivered.
Both sides have expressed a desire to settle but there is a but. EU sanctions against Iran, wouldn't allow for the payment to be made.
Iran have upped the stakes since the Referendum, now believing that they can get the money now we are out of the EU. "
There's also US and I believe ( might be wrong) UN sanctions.
Do you think it's the sanctions or lack of desire? |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
"They would be Chieftan tanks and armoured vehicles that weren't delivered.
Both sides have expressed a desire to settle but there is a but. EU sanctions against Iran, wouldn't allow for the payment to be made.
Iran have upped the stakes since the Referendum, now believing that they can get the money now we are out of the EU.
There's also US and I believe ( might be wrong) UN sanctions.
Do you think it's the sanctions or lack of desire?"
Its interesting because the US under Obama, paid back 1.7 billion dollars that they owed Iran for undelivered military hardware, principally fighter jets.
Trump and his Iranian sanctions have muddied the waters somewhat, but the UK has the money and wants to pay it back, drawing a line under this issue |
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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago
Bristol |
If the U.K. owes the money and has it to pay back then we should pay it back on the proviso that she is released and brought back to Britain and tell anyone else who travels to there if they get into trouble that are on their own  |
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