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" "So we vaccinate more than anyone Made decisions on our own that have paid off Are now finishing and bottling in uk no need to export | |||
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So we vaccinate more than anyone
Made decisions on our own that have paid off
Are now finishing and bottling in uk no need to export "But letting the virus run rampant in other countries by hording the vaccine all for ourselves which will lead to more mutations the vaccine might not cover us for. Then on top of that letting people in from these countries without quarantining. | |||
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So we vaccinate more than anyone
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Are now finishing and bottling in uk no need to export "Ermmm you do realise UK was the country with worst Covid deaths and infection rate in the world for some time right? | |||
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"Any body else think Uk doing better on its own ?" Better at what? | |||
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"Any body else think Uk doing better on its own ? Better at what? " Flags. | |||
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"Any body else think Uk doing better on its own ?" No | |||
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"Any body else think Uk doing better on its own ? Better at what? Flags. " Nah, even they're being hung upside down between two wheelie bins. | |||
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"Any body else think Uk doing better on its own ? Better at what? Flags. " Are we all gonna get a free union jack in the post with our blue passports?  | |||
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"Any body else think Uk doing better on its own ? Better at what? Flags. " Well I guess we have 5 of the things | |||
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"Any body else think Uk doing better on its own ? Better at what? Flags. Are we all gonna get a free union jack in the post with our blue passports? "Have you not got yours yet? | |||
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"Any body else think Uk doing better on its own ? Better at what? Flags. Nah, even they're being hung upside down between two wheelie bins. " But they're the flaggiest flags that ever flagged! | |||
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"Any body else think Uk doing better on its own ? Better at what? Flags. Are we all gonna get a free union jack in the post with our blue passports? "Who's we | |||
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"Any body else think Uk doing better on its own ? Better at what? Flags. " Flag shagging ? | |||
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"So I buy produce from Europe on a daily basis The Dutch put £100 on a pallet coming into uk Normally cost £100 for 10 boxes or 1000 boxes Brexit Dutch say extra paperwork ect so cost £200 per pallet Sooo we stop buying it Suddenly cost goes back down to £100 per pallet Vaccine The British government made decisions, gambles that have paid off !! Independent decisions for the benefit of the uk Couldn’t have done this in eu !! Tell me I’m wrong!" O dear, reference the vaccine rollout , we could have done and did do this whilst we were in the EU | |||
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"Not we couldn’t as a member of eu we would have had them make decisions on what to buy and from where That’s why they have the problem they’ve got now As an independent state our government made decisions that could have been wrong but as it happens have turned out right " Wrong, we could have made the exact same decision when we were on the EU, do you read the Daily Mail? | |||
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So we vaccinate more than anyone
Made decisions on our own that have paid off
Are now finishing and bottling in uk no need to export
But letting the virus run rampant in other countries by hording the vaccine all for ourselves which will lead to more mutations the vaccine might not cover us for. Then on top of that letting people in from these countries without quarantining."European countries have millions of bottles of vaccine that arnt being used either because they say it’s not safe or only for under 50 or over 50 or under 29 or what ever reason So how can that be the uk fault? | |||
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"Not we couldn’t as a member of eu we would have had them make decisions on what to buy and from where That’s why they have the problem they’ve got now As an independent state our government made decisions that could have been wrong but as it happens have turned out right Wrong, we could have made the exact same decision when we were on the EU, do you read the Daily Mail? " I don’t read the daily bollocks no | |||
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"Not we couldn’t as a member of eu we would have had them make decisions on what to buy and from where That’s why they have the problem they’ve got now As an independent state our government made decisions that could have been wrong but as it happens have turned out right Wrong, we could have made the exact same decision when we were on the EU, do you read the Daily Mail? " If this is the case why have other European countries not made the same decisions the uk has ??? | |||
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"Not we couldn’t as a member of eu we would have had them make decisions on what to buy and from where That’s why they have the problem they’ve got now As an independent state our government made decisions that could have been wrong but as it happens have turned out right Wrong, we could have made the exact same decision when we were on the EU, do you read the Daily Mail? I don’t read the daily bollocks no " I am surprised, | |||
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"Not we couldn’t as a member of eu we would have had them make decisions on what to buy and from where That’s why they have the problem they’ve got now As an independent state our government made decisions that could have been wrong but as it happens have turned out right Wrong, we could have made the exact same decision when we were on the EU, do you read the Daily Mail? If this is the case why have other European countries not made the same decisions the uk has ???" Because they made a huge mistake . They put their faith in a collective EU vaccine programs which up to now has back fired. Each member state of the EU could have made the exact same decision as the UK, we obviously have the best scientists in the world over here | |||
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"Not we couldn’t as a member of eu we would have had them make decisions on what to buy and from where That’s why they have the problem they’ve got now As an independent state our government made decisions that could have been wrong but as it happens have turned out right Wrong, we could have made the exact same decision when we were on the EU, do you read the Daily Mail? If this is the case why have other European countries not made the same decisions the uk has ??? Because they made a huge mistake . They put their faith in a collective EU vaccine programs which up to now has back fired. Each member state of the EU could have made the exact same decision as the UK, we obviously have the best scientists in the world over here " I'm sure Britain is also better off out of the EU because Australia's vaccine candidate failed. Or something | |||
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"Not we couldn’t as a member of eu we would have had them make decisions on what to buy and from where That’s why they have the problem they’ve got now As an independent state our government made decisions that could have been wrong but as it happens have turned out right Wrong, we could have made the exact same decision when we were on the EU, do you read the Daily Mail? If this is the case why have other European countries not made the same decisions the uk has ??? Because they made a huge mistake . They put their faith in a collective EU vaccine programs which up to now has back fired. Each member state of the EU could have made the exact same decision as the UK, we obviously have the best scientists in the world over here I'm sure Britain is also better off out of the EU because Australia's vaccine candidate failed. Or something" ????? | |||
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"Not we couldn’t as a member of eu we would have had them make decisions on what to buy and from where That’s why they have the problem they’ve got now As an independent state our government made decisions that could have been wrong but as it happens have turned out right Wrong, we could have made the exact same decision when we were on the EU, do you read the Daily Mail? If this is the case why have other European countries not made the same decisions the uk has ??? Because they made a huge mistake . They put their faith in a collective EU vaccine programs which up to now has back fired. Each member state of the EU could have made the exact same decision as the UK, we obviously have the best scientists in the world over here " ‘’Could have ‘’ But as an independent state we did .... had too because it was down to us !!! | |||
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"Not we couldn’t as a member of eu we would have had them make decisions on what to buy and from where That’s why they have the problem they’ve got now As an independent state our government made decisions that could have been wrong but as it happens have turned out right Wrong, we could have made the exact same decision when we were on the EU, do you read the Daily Mail? If this is the case why have other European countries not made the same decisions the uk has ??? Because they made a huge mistake . They put their faith in a collective EU vaccine programs which up to now has back fired. Each member state of the EU could have made the exact same decision as the UK, we obviously have the best scientists in the world over here ‘’Could have ‘’ But as an independent state we did .... had too because it was down to us !!!" You do realise that we officially left the EU ‘after’ we made the decision on the vaccine ? We were still in the transition period and subject to EU laws | |||
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"Transition period A time where we able to make our own decisions while collaborating with our European counterparts " Bound by EU law. ‘That said, none of these successes can be chalked up to Brexit. As the chief executive of the MHRA swiftly pointed out, Mr Hancock was wrong to say that the UK could approve the vaccine early because it was no longer subject to EU rules. The MHRA’s decision was taken in accordance with the relevant EU legislation, which allows member states to grant temporary authorisation for a medicinal product in response to the spread of infectious diseases (among others). [1] This legislation still applies to the UK until the end of the transition period. Any EU member state could have used the same provision of the legislation to approve the vaccine. They decided not to for political and technical reasons, not legal ones. Similarly, the member states were in no way obliged to take part in the EU’s joint vaccine procurement scheme. The EU has very limited competences for public health under its founding treaties: it can take action only to “support, coordinate or supplement the actions of the Member States”. The EU member states in this case voluntarily decided to opt into the joint procurement scheme. If one or more of them had decided to follow the UK’s path and procure its own vaccines, no one would have stopped them’ . From the institute for government. | |||
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"So no argument then ?" O dear, you obviously can’t read . | |||
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"They could have but because if they didn’t the nana Eu would make the decisions But as the Uk was moving away they had to make the decision So there for we were and ate better off being out of the Eu " I love these posts from people who are confused about the EU and brexit. So your argument is, the UK could have chosen to do things separately from the EU with the vaccine, but since we've left we didn't have the option to work with the EU anyway. So the UK having less options is somehow a good thing. Is that right? Excellent stuff. | |||
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"They could have but because if they didn’t the nana Eu would make the decisions But as the Uk was moving away they had to make the decision So there for we were and ate better off being out of the Eu I love these posts from people who are confused about the EU and brexit. So your argument is, the UK could have chosen to do things separately from the EU with the vaccine, but since we've left we didn't have the option to work with the EU anyway. So the UK having less options is somehow a good thing. Is that right? Excellent stuff. " The thought process is hilarious.. | |||
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"Why do say we don’t have the option to work with the EU I’ve not said anything of the sort " You said. "But as the Uk was moving away they had to make the decision" Maybe you can clarify what you're saying. | |||
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So we vaccinate more than anyone
Made decisions on our own that have paid off
Are now finishing and bottling in uk no need to export
Ermmm you do realise UK was the country with worst Covid deaths and infection rate in the world for some time right?"Expect that is completely untrue as has been shown many times yes we had lots of deaths but never the worst | |||
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So we vaccinate more than anyone
Made decisions on our own that have paid off
Are now finishing and bottling in uk no need to export
Ermmm you do realise UK was the country with worst Covid deaths and infection rate in the world for some time right
Expect that is completely untrue as has been shown many times yes we had lots of deaths but never the worst "Really? | |||
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So we vaccinate more than anyone
Made decisions on our own that have paid off
Are now finishing and bottling in uk no need to export
Ermmm you do realise UK was the country with worst Covid deaths and infection rate in the world for some time right
Expect that is completely untrue as has been shown many times yes we had lots of deaths but never the worst
Really? "Yes if you look back through the figures you will see. | |||
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So we vaccinate more than anyone
Made decisions on our own that have paid off
Are now finishing and bottling in uk no need to export
Ermmm you do realise UK was the country with worst Covid deaths and infection rate in the world for some time right
Expect that is completely untrue as has been shown many times yes we had lots of deaths but never the worst
Really? "Yep And apparently we have unique world demographic of having the oldest,unfittest,big bame and badly behaved population in the world which means the death rate is absolutely nothing to do with how the pandemic has been handled. | |||
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"Why do say we don’t have the option to work with the EU I’ve not said anything of the sort You said. "But as the Uk was moving away they had to make the decision" Yes the uk could have sat tight and said oh please EU make the decisions for us but as they had the ability to make their own decisions they did and the benifits are there to be seen Maybe you can clarify what you're saying." | |||
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So we vaccinate more than anyone
Made decisions on our own that have paid off
Are now finishing and bottling in uk no need to export
Ermmm you do realise UK was the country with worst Covid deaths and infection rate in the world for some time right
Expect that is completely untrue as has been shown many times yes we had lots of deaths but never the worst
Really?
Yes if you look back through the figures you will see."I did | |||
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"Why do say we don’t have the option to work with the EU I’ve not said anything of the sort You said. "But as the Uk was moving away they had to make the decision" Yes the uk could have sat tight and said oh please EU make the decisions for us but as they had the ability to make their own decisions they did and the benifits are there to be seen Maybe you can clarify what you're saying." It's easier if you use the quote functions. Just to be clear, the UK could always have made the decision to handle the vaccine outside of the combined EU effort. | |||
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"A lot have people have died in our densely populated country We’ve never in our lifetime had a pandemic like this so all the decisions are off the cuff so to speak Asian countries who have experienced these type of things before have made decisions on experience If our government hadn’t made the decisions they did we wouldn’t be out in the sunshine this weekend " If only we would have had some sort of dry run and be given some sort of notice when it started to hit other countries. | |||
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"Yes they could have or if they remained in the Eu they could have sat around discussing the ins and outs of this and that as has happened or they could have again as has happened say Fuck all this shit let’s buy a load and if it’s right happy days if we get it wrong we’ll take the flack " If we remained in the EU. We could still have chosen to go it alone on the vaccine. This is the root of your confusion. | |||
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So we vaccinate more than anyone
Made decisions on our own that have paid off
Are now finishing and bottling in uk no need to export
Ermmm you do realise UK was the country with worst Covid deaths and infection rate in the world for some time right
Expect that is completely untrue as has been shown many times yes we had lots of deaths but never the worst
Really?
Yes if you look back through the figures you will see.
I did "Good so you know we dont have the worse death rate. | |||
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"Yes they could have or if they remained in the Eu they could have sat around discussing the ins and outs of this and that as has happened or they could have again as has happened say Fuck all this shit let’s buy a load and if it’s right happy days if we get it wrong we’ll take the flack If we remained in the EU. We could still have chosen to go it alone on the vaccine. This is the root of your confusion." So you keep saying but what makes you think the uk would have ? have you any particular reason that you think the uk would have gone against the commission if we were still in, just one sensible reason will do. | |||
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"Yes they could have or if they remained in the Eu they could have sat around discussing the ins and outs of this and that as has happened or they could have again as has happened say Fuck all this shit let’s buy a load and if it’s right happy days if we get it wrong we’ll take the flack If we remained in the EU. We could still have chosen to go it alone on the vaccine. This is the root of your confusion.So you keep saying but what makes you think the uk would have ? have you any particular reason that you think the uk would have gone against the commission if we were still in, just one sensible reason will do." No idea if we would or wouldn't. You confused "could" with "would". Happy to have been able to help. | |||
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"I’m not confused in the slightest " Then why do you keep contradicting yourself and saying things that aren't true? | |||
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"Yes they could have or if they remained in the Eu they could have sat around discussing the ins and outs of this and that as has happened or they could have again as has happened say Fuck all this shit let’s buy a load and if it’s right happy days if we get it wrong we’ll take the flack If we remained in the EU. We could still have chosen to go it alone on the vaccine. This is the root of your confusion.So you keep saying but what makes you think the uk would have ? have you any particular reason that you think the uk would have gone against the commission if we were still in, just one sensible reason will do. No idea if we would or wouldn't. You confused "could" with "would". Happy to have been able to help." so no reason why we would have then i thought not. | |||
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"If only is nonsense This came out of the blue literally like a plague Soaring over the continents I’m sad and sorry for all those who’ve passed But I am proud of our country and government and population who have and are dealing with this situation I’ve worked every day of the past year providing food to my customers locally and nationally when they couldn’t source locally I’ve been awarded a medal from the mayor I’ve raised £1000 + for local nhs I’m sick of watching people running this country down Go Great Britain And good night !! " You should post more often | |||
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So we vaccinate more than anyone
Made decisions on our own that have paid off
Are now finishing and bottling in uk no need to export
Ermmm you do realise UK was the country with worst Covid deaths and infection rate in the world for some time right
Expect that is completely untrue as has been shown many times yes we had lots of deaths but never the worst
Really?
Yes if you look back through the figures you will see.
I did
Good so you know we dont have the worse death rate."We do | |||
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"I’m not confused in the slightest Then why do you keep contradicting yourself and saying things that aren't true?" How many EU countries went their own way until the last few weeks ? Do you not think there was enormous pressure applied to work as one ? | |||
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"I’m not confused in the slightest Then why do you keep contradicting yourself and saying things that aren't true? How many EU countries went their own way until the last few weeks ? Do you not think there was enormous pressure applied to work as one ? " No idea. Why are you asking me this? | |||
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"Yes they could have or if they remained in the Eu they could have sat around discussing the ins and outs of this and that as has happened or they could have again as has happened say Fuck all this shit let’s buy a load and if it’s right happy days if we get it wrong we’ll take the flack If we remained in the EU. We could still have chosen to go it alone on the vaccine. This is the root of your confusion.So you keep saying but what makes you think the uk would have ? have you any particular reason that you think the uk would have gone against the commission if we were still in, just one sensible reason will do. No idea if we would or wouldn't. You confused "could" with "would". Happy to have been able to help.so no reason why we would have then i thought not." Do you have a reason why we would have then? I thought not. Good hustle. High fives all round. | |||
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"I’m not confused in the slightest Then why do you keep contradicting yourself and saying things that aren't true? How many EU countries went their own way until the last few weeks ? Do you not think there was enormous pressure applied to work as one ? " You are wasting your time he knows that as well as the rest of us but just doesn't want to admit to an eu failure. | |||
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"In what way have I contradicted myself and stated anything that’s not true " So now you're confused about what you're confused about. I'm not sure I can help you anymore or make it any more plain without repeating what has been said. You seem to think that if we were in the EU we would have been unable to choose to run the vaccine independently. | |||
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"I’m not confused in the slightest Then why do you keep contradicting yourself and saying things that aren't true? How many EU countries went their own way until the last few weeks ? Do you not think there was enormous pressure applied to work as one ? You are wasting your time he knows that as well as the rest of us but just doesn't want to admit to an eu failure." You can continue to ask irrelevant questions all you like. Why don't you ask eachother these questions instead of asking me. We're discussing the OPs confusion. | |||
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So we vaccinate more than anyone
Made decisions on our own that have paid off
Are now finishing and bottling in uk no need to export
Ermmm you do realise UK was the country with worst Covid deaths and infection rate in the world for some time right
Expect that is completely untrue as has been shown many times yes we had lots of deaths but never the worst
Really?
Yes if you look back through the figures you will see.
I did
Good so you know we dont have the worse death rate.
We do "126,373 | |||
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"Yes they could have or if they remained in the Eu they could have sat around discussing the ins and outs of this and that as has happened or they could have again as has happened say Fuck all this shit let’s buy a load and if it’s right happy days if we get it wrong we’ll take the flack If we remained in the EU. We could still have chosen to go it alone on the vaccine. This is the root of your confusion.So you keep saying but what makes you think the uk would have ? have you any particular reason that you think the uk would have gone against the commission if we were still in, just one sensible reason will do. No idea if we would or wouldn't. You confused "could" with "would". Happy to have been able to help.so no reason why we would have then i thought not. Do you have a reason why we would have then? I thought not. Good hustle. High fives all round." What is that supposed to mean or is it just a catch phrase to make you feel better when you dont have an answer? | |||
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So we vaccinate more than anyone
Made decisions on our own that have paid off
Are now finishing and bottling in uk no need to export
Ermmm you do realise UK was the country with worst Covid deaths and infection rate in the world for some time right
Expect that is completely untrue as has been shown many times yes we had lots of deaths but never the worst
Really?
Yes if you look back through the figures you will see.
I did
Good so you know we dont have the worse death rate.
We do "Oh dear try looking it up again we have had 1890 per million. Czech republic hungary, belgium,Bosnia and Slovenia are all above that, of course countries are counting differently. | |||
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So we vaccinate more than anyone
Made decisions on our own that have paid off
Are now finishing and bottling in uk no need to export
Ermmm you do realise UK was the country with worst Covid deaths and infection rate in the world for some time right
Expect that is completely untrue as has been shown many times yes we had lots of deaths but never the worst
Really?
Yes if you look back through the figures you will see.
I did
Good so you know we dont have the worse death rate.
We do
126,373"Oh dear death RATE not total deaths however by either measure we arent top. | |||
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"Yes they could have or if they remained in the Eu they could have sat around discussing the ins and outs of this and that as has happened or they could have again as has happened say Fuck all this shit let’s buy a load and if it’s right happy days if we get it wrong we’ll take the flack If we remained in the EU. We could still have chosen to go it alone on the vaccine. This is the root of your confusion.So you keep saying but what makes you think the uk would have ? have you any particular reason that you think the uk would have gone against the commission if we were still in, just one sensible reason will do. No idea if we would or wouldn't. You confused "could" with "would". Happy to have been able to help.so no reason why we would have then i thought not. Do you have a reason why we would have then? I thought not. Good hustle. High fives all round.What is that supposed to mean or is it just a catch phrase to make you feel better when you dont have an answer?" Am I obliged to answer every unrelated question you ask me? You demanded I answer something that had fuck all to do with the conversation. I chose not to answer because all you're trying to do is derail the thread. Something which you got upset about earlier and blamed all the wrong people for. | |||
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So we vaccinate more than anyone
Made decisions on our own that have paid off
Are now finishing and bottling in uk no need to export
Ermmm you do realise UK was the country with worst Covid deaths and infection rate in the world for some time right
Expect that is completely untrue as has been shown many times yes we had lots of deaths but never the worst
Really?
Yes if you look back through the figures you will see.
I did
Good so you know we dont have the worse death rate.
We do
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Oh dear death RATE not total deaths however by either measure we arent top."Deaths confirmed | |||
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"Yes they could have or if they remained in the Eu they could have sat around discussing the ins and outs of this and that as has happened or they could have again as has happened say Fuck all this shit let’s buy a load and if it’s right happy days if we get it wrong we’ll take the flack If we remained in the EU. We could still have chosen to go it alone on the vaccine. This is the root of your confusion.So you keep saying but what makes you think the uk would have ? have you any particular reason that you think the uk would have gone against the commission if we were still in, just one sensible reason will do. No idea if we would or wouldn't. You confused "could" with "would". Happy to have been able to help.so no reason why we would have then i thought not. Do you have a reason why we would have then? I thought not. Good hustle. High fives all round.What is that supposed to mean or is it just a catch phrase to make you feel better when you dont have an answer? Am I obliged to answer every unrelated question you ask me? You demanded I answer something that had fuck all to do with the conversation. I chose not to answer because all you're trying to do is derail the thread. Something which you got upset about earlier and blamed all the wrong people for." Its not unrelated though is it ?  | |||
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"Yes they could have or if they remained in the Eu they could have sat around discussing the ins and outs of this and that as has happened or they could have again as has happened say Fuck all this shit let’s buy a load and if it’s right happy days if we get it wrong we’ll take the flack If we remained in the EU. We could still have chosen to go it alone on the vaccine. This is the root of your confusion.So you keep saying but what makes you think the uk would have ? have you any particular reason that you think the uk would have gone against the commission if we were still in, just one sensible reason will do. No idea if we would or wouldn't. You confused "could" with "would". Happy to have been able to help.so no reason why we would have then i thought not. Do you have a reason why we would have then? I thought not. Good hustle. High fives all round.What is that supposed to mean or is it just a catch phrase to make you feel better when you dont have an answer? Am I obliged to answer every unrelated question you ask me? You demanded I answer something that had fuck all to do with the conversation. I chose not to answer because all you're trying to do is derail the thread. Something which you got upset about earlier and blamed all the wrong people for.Its not unrelated though is it ? "The other chap was saying the UK would be obliged to be a part of the EU vaccine scheme. I said we wouldn't. Your question was not related to this point. Anyhow. It's been fun as always. I'm off for a beer. | |||
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So we vaccinate more than anyone
Made decisions on our own that have paid off
Are now finishing and bottling in uk no need to export
Ermmm you do realise UK was the country with worst Covid deaths and infection rate in the world for some time right
Expect that is completely untrue as has been shown many times yes we had lots of deaths but never the worst
Really?
Yes if you look back through the figures you will see.
I did
Good so you know we dont have the worse death rate.
We do
126,373
Oh dear death RATE not total deaths however by either measure we arent top.
Deaths confirmed "Ok so we have more confirmed deaths than the USA, Brazil and Mexico? | |||
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So we vaccinate more than anyone
Made decisions on our own that have paid off
Are now finishing and bottling in uk no need to export
Ermmm you do realise UK was the country with worst Covid deaths and infection rate in the world for some time right
Expect that is completely untrue as has been shown many times yes we had lots of deaths but never the worst
Really?
Yes if you look back through the figures you will see.
I did
Good so you know we dont have the worse death rate.
We do
126,373
Oh dear death RATE not total deaths however by either measure we arent top.
Deaths confirmed
Ok so we have more confirmed deaths than the USA, Brazil and Mexico? "Should correct myself in Europe . I misread the thread | |||
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So we vaccinate more than anyone
Made decisions on our own that have paid off
Are now finishing and bottling in uk no need to export
Ermmm you do realise UK was the country with worst Covid deaths and infection rate in the world for some time right
Expect that is completely untrue as has been shown many times yes we had lots of deaths but never the worst
Really?
Yes if you look back through the figures you will see.
I did
Good so you know we dont have the worse death rate.
We do
126,373
Oh dear death RATE not total deaths however by either measure we arent top.
Deaths confirmed
Ok so we have more confirmed deaths than the USA, Brazil and Mexico?
Should correct myself in Europe . I misread the thread
"So we dont have the highest death rate in the world or europe nor the highest total deaths in the world. Glad you admit you were wrong. | |||
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So we vaccinate more than anyone
Made decisions on our own that have paid off
Are now finishing and bottling in uk no need to export
Ermmm you do realise UK was the country with worst Covid deaths and infection rate in the world for some time right
Expect that is completely untrue as has been shown many times yes we had lots of deaths but never the worst
Really?
Yes if you look back through the figures you will see.
I did
Good so you know we dont have the worse death rate.
We do
126,373
Oh dear death RATE not total deaths however by either measure we arent top.
Deaths confirmed
Ok so we have more confirmed deaths than the USA, Brazil and Mexico? "U.S pooulation 300,000,000 population - 550,000 covid deaths deaths Brazil popualtion 211,000,000 population - 314,000 covid deaths Mexico population 127,600,000-202,000 covid deaths India 1,366, 000,000 population - 162,000 covid deaths Deaths per per 100k the uk tops that list you provided . It is only recently behind Belgium , Czech republic & Slovenia due to vaccines ( all 3 are world leaders in comparison to the uk ? ) Uk 66,500,000 population - 127,000 deaths | |||
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So we vaccinate more than anyone
Made decisions on our own that have paid off
Are now finishing and bottling in uk no need to export
Ermmm you do realise UK was the country with worst Covid deaths and infection rate in the world for some time right
Expect that is completely untrue as has been shown many times yes we had lots of deaths but never the worst
Really?
Yes if you look back through the figures you will see.
I did
Good so you know we dont have the worse death rate.
We do
126,373
Oh dear death RATE not total deaths however by either measure we arent top.
Deaths confirmed
Ok so we have more confirmed deaths than the USA, Brazil and Mexico?
Should correct myself in Europe . I misread the thread
"They are creamong themselves because have the 6th worse death rate in the world You genuinley couldnt make it up. | |||
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"Any body else think Uk doing better on its own ?" Yes  | |||
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So we vaccinate more than anyone
Made decisions on our own that have paid off
Are now finishing and bottling in uk no need to export
Ermmm you do realise UK was the country with worst Covid deaths and infection rate in the world for some time right
Expect that is completely untrue as has been shown many times yes we had lots of deaths but never the worst
Really?
Yes if you look back through the figures you will see.
I did
Good so you know we dont have the worse death rate.
We do
126,373
Oh dear death RATE not total deaths however by either measure we arent top.
Deaths confirmed
Ok so we have more confirmed deaths than the USA, Brazil and Mexico?
U.S pooulation 300,000,000 population - 550,000 covid deaths deaths
Brazil popualtion 211,000,000 population - 314,000 covid deaths
Mexico population 127,600,000-202,000 covid deaths
India 1,366, 000,000 population - 162,000 covid deaths
Deaths per per 100k the uk tops that list you provided .
It is only recently behind Belgium , Czech republic & Slovenia due to vaccines
( all 3 are world leaders in comparison to the uk ? )
Uk 66,500,000 population - 127,000 deaths "Belgiums covid deaths is a massive 23,000 Czech is a massive 26,000 While slovenia leads the.way with an Enormous 4,024 covid deaths! | |||
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So we vaccinate more than anyone
Made decisions on our own that have paid off
Are now finishing and bottling in uk no need to export
But letting the virus run rampant in other countries by hording the vaccine all for ourselves which will lead to more mutations the vaccine might not cover us for. Then on top of that letting people in from these countries without quarantining."Rubbish you believe EU lies they lie like Hitler did | |||
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So we vaccinate more than anyone
Made decisions on our own that have paid off
Are now finishing and bottling in uk no need to export
But letting the virus run rampant in other countries by hording the vaccine all for ourselves which will lead to more mutations the vaccine might not cover us for. Then on top of that letting people in from these countries without quarantining.Rubbish you believe EU lies they lie like Hitler did"
Yeah that was his big downfall Adolf
All those lies he told. | |||
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So we vaccinate more than anyone
Made decisions on our own that have paid off
Are now finishing and bottling in uk no need to export
But letting the virus run rampant in other countries by hording the vaccine all for ourselves which will lead to more mutations the vaccine might not cover us for. Then on top of that letting people in from these countries without quarantining.Rubbish you believe EU lies they lie like Hitler did"Boris lied to the Queen He lied to his ex wife He lied to his ex wife , he lied to the population & the Electorate ! | |||
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So we vaccinate more than anyone
Made decisions on our own that have paid off
Are now finishing and bottling in uk no need to export
Ermmm you do realise UK was the country with worst Covid deaths and infection rate in the world for some time right
Expect that is completely untrue as has been shown many times yes we had lots of deaths but never the worst
Really?
Yes if you look back through the figures you will see.
I did
Good so you know we dont have the worse death rate.
We do
126,373
Oh dear death RATE not total deaths however by either measure we arent top.
Deaths confirmed
Ok so we have more confirmed deaths than the USA, Brazil and Mexico?
U.S pooulation 300,000,000 population - 550,000 covid deaths deaths
Brazil popualtion 211,000,000 population - 314,000 covid deaths
Mexico population 127,600,000-202,000 covid deaths
India 1,366, 000,000 population - 162,000 covid deaths
Deaths per per 100k the uk tops that list you provided .
It is only recently behind Belgium , Czech republic & Slovenia due to vaccines
( all 3 are world leaders in comparison to the uk ? )
Uk 66,500,000 population - 127,000 deaths
Belgiums covid deaths is a massive 23,000
Czech is a massive 26,000
While slovenia leads the.way with an Enormous 4,024 covid deaths!"Yeah and Belgium is massive. Oh Hang on No it’s not. It’s tiny apparently. | |||
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"I’m not confused in the slightest Then why do you keep contradicting yourself and saying things that aren't true? How many EU countries went their own way until the last few weeks ? Do you not think there was enormous pressure applied to work as one ? " Nope, they must have tonight it was the best approach, they were wrong, none of this detracts from the fact that any country in the EU could have done what the UK has done . | |||
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So we vaccinate more than anyone
Made decisions on our own that have paid off
Are now finishing and bottling in uk no need to export
Ermmm you do realise UK was the country with worst Covid deaths and infection rate in the world for some time right
Expect that is completely untrue as has been shown many times yes we had lots of deaths but never the worst
Really?
Yes if you look back through the figures you will see.
I did
Good so you know we dont have the worse death rate.
We do
126,373
Oh dear death RATE not total deaths however by either measure we arent top.
Deaths confirmed
Ok so we have more confirmed deaths than the USA, Brazil and Mexico?
U.S pooulation 300,000,000 population - 550,000 covid deaths deaths
Brazil popualtion 211,000,000 population - 314,000 covid deaths
Mexico population 127,600,000-202,000 covid deaths
India 1,366, 000,000 population - 162,000 covid deaths
Deaths per per 100k the uk tops that list you provided .
It is only recently behind Belgium , Czech republic & Slovenia due to vaccines
( all 3 are world leaders in comparison to the uk ? )
Uk 66,500,000 population - 127,000 deaths
Belgiums covid deaths is a massive 23,000
Czech is a massive 26,000
While slovenia leads the.way with an Enormous 4,024 covid deaths!
Yeah and Belgium is massive.
Oh
Hang on
No it’s not. It’s tiny apparently."Do you have the covid death rate figures for the entire EU ? | |||
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So we vaccinate more than anyone
Made decisions on our own that have paid off
Are now finishing and bottling in uk no need to export
Ermmm you do realise UK was the country with worst Covid deaths and infection rate in the world for some time right
Expect that is completely untrue as has been shown many times yes we had lots of deaths but never the worst
Really?
Yes if you look back through the figures you will see.
I did
Good so you know we dont have the worse death rate.
We do
126,373
Oh dear death RATE not total deaths however by either measure we arent top.
Deaths confirmed
Ok so we have more confirmed deaths than the USA, Brazil and Mexico?
U.S pooulation 300,000,000 population - 550,000 covid deaths deaths
Brazil popualtion 211,000,000 population - 314,000 covid deaths
Mexico population 127,600,000-202,000 covid deaths
India 1,366, 000,000 population - 162,000 covid deaths
Deaths per per 100k the uk tops that list you provided .
It is only recently behind Belgium , Czech republic & Slovenia due to vaccines
( all 3 are world leaders in comparison to the uk ? )
Uk 66,500,000 population - 127,000 deaths
Belgiums covid deaths is a massive 23,000
Czech is a massive 26,000
While slovenia leads the.way with an Enormous 4,024 covid deaths!
Yeah and Belgium is massive.
Oh
Hang on
No it’s not. It’s tiny apparently."Bit like you fella
Hows the Riding a childs bike going ?
Nee Naw Nee Naw Neen Naw .
A grown man with a kids bike .
Just dodgy ! | |||
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So we vaccinate more than anyone
Made decisions on our own that have paid off
Are now finishing and bottling in uk no need to export
Ermmm you do realise UK was the country with worst Covid deaths and infection rate in the world for some time right
Expect that is completely untrue as has been shown many times yes we had lots of deaths but never the worst
Really?
Yes if you look back through the figures you will see.
I did
Good so you know we dont have the worse death rate.
We do
126,373
Oh dear death RATE not total deaths however by either measure we arent top.
Deaths confirmed
Ok so we have more confirmed deaths than the USA, Brazil and Mexico?
U.S pooulation 300,000,000 population - 550,000 covid deaths deaths
Brazil popualtion 211,000,000 population - 314,000 covid deaths
Mexico population 127,600,000-202,000 covid deaths
India 1,366, 000,000 population - 162,000 covid deaths
Deaths per per 100k the uk tops that list you provided .
It is only recently behind Belgium , Czech republic & Slovenia due to vaccines
( all 3 are world leaders in comparison to the uk ? )
Uk 66,500,000 population - 127,000 deaths
Belgiums covid deaths is a massive 23,000
Czech is a massive 26,000
While slovenia leads the.way with an Enormous 4,024 covid deaths!
Yeah and Belgium is massive.
Oh
Hang on
No it’s not. It’s tiny apparently.
Do you have the covid death rate figures for the entire EU ? "Who me ? | |||
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So we vaccinate more than anyone
Made decisions on our own that have paid off
Are now finishing and bottling in uk no need to export
Ermmm you do realise UK was the country with worst Covid deaths and infection rate in the world for some time right
Expect that is completely untrue as has been shown many times yes we had lots of deaths but never the worst
Really?
Yes if you look back through the figures you will see.
I did
Good so you know we dont have the worse death rate.
We do
126,373
Oh dear death RATE not total deaths however by either measure we arent top.
Deaths confirmed
Ok so we have more confirmed deaths than the USA, Brazil and Mexico?
U.S pooulation 300,000,000 population - 550,000 covid deaths deaths
Brazil popualtion 211,000,000 population - 314,000 covid deaths
Mexico population 127,600,000-202,000 covid deaths
India 1,366, 000,000 population - 162,000 covid deaths
Deaths per per 100k the uk tops that list you provided .
It is only recently behind Belgium , Czech republic & Slovenia due to vaccines
( all 3 are world leaders in comparison to the uk ? )
Uk 66,500,000 population - 127,000 deaths
Belgiums covid deaths is a massive 23,000
Czech is a massive 26,000
While slovenia leads the.way with an Enormous 4,024 covid deaths!
Yeah and Belgium is massive.
Oh
Hang on
No it’s not. It’s tiny apparently.
Do you have the covid death rate figures for the entire EU ?
Who me ?"No, Professor Chris. | |||
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"So I buy produce from Europe on a daily basis The Dutch put £100 on a pallet coming into uk Normally cost £100 for 10 boxes or 1000 boxes Brexit Dutch say extra paperwork ect so cost £200 per pallet Sooo we stop buying it Suddenly cost goes back down to £100 per pallet Vaccine The British government made decisions, gambles that have paid off !! Independent decisions for the benefit of the uk Couldn’t have done this in eu !! Tell me I’m wrong!" We could have made our own vaccine choices in the EU, another Brexit lie. We had a lot of freedom in the EU, in many ways we had more than we will going forward. We have less power and influence as a small nation of 66m - US trade sanctions on tech levy for instance.  | |||
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"So I buy produce from Europe on a daily basis The Dutch put £100 on a pallet coming into uk Normally cost £100 for 10 boxes or 1000 boxes Brexit Dutch say extra paperwork ect so cost £200 per pallet Sooo we stop buying it Suddenly cost goes back down to £100 per pallet Vaccine The British government made decisions, gambles that have paid off !! Independent decisions for the benefit of the uk Couldn’t have done this in eu !! Tell me I’m wrong! We could have made our own vaccine choices in the EU, another Brexit lie. We had a lot of freedom in the EU, in many ways we had more than we will going forward. We have less power and influence as a small nation of 66m - US trade sanctions on tech levy for instance. "Any particular reason why you think the uk would have just out of interest? because i cant and no one envisaged the total fuck up of the eu procurement are you telling me the uk government would have? | |||
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"So I buy produce from Europe on a daily basis The Dutch put £100 on a pallet coming into uk Normally cost £100 for 10 boxes or 1000 boxes Brexit Dutch say extra paperwork ect so cost £200 per pallet Sooo we stop buying it Suddenly cost goes back down to £100 per pallet Vaccine The British government made decisions, gambles that have paid off !! Independent decisions for the benefit of the uk Couldn’t have done this in eu !! Tell me I’m wrong! We could have made our own vaccine choices in the EU, another Brexit lie. We had a lot of freedom in the EU, in many ways we had more than we will going forward. We have less power and influence as a small nation of 66m - US trade sanctions on tech levy for instance. Any particular reason why you think the uk would have just out of interest? because i cant and no one envisaged the total fuck up of the eu procurement are you telling me the uk government would have? "It was not mandatory to follow the EU procurement rules, so it is unlikely we would have done anyway. | |||
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"So I buy produce from Europe on a daily basis The Dutch put £100 on a pallet coming into uk Normally cost £100 for 10 boxes or 1000 boxes Brexit Dutch say extra paperwork ect so cost £200 per pallet Sooo we stop buying it Suddenly cost goes back down to £100 per pallet Vaccine The British government made decisions, gambles that have paid off !! Independent decisions for the benefit of the uk Couldn’t have done this in eu !! Tell me I’m wrong! We could have made our own vaccine choices in the EU, another Brexit lie. We had a lot of freedom in the EU, in many ways we had more than we will going forward. We have less power and influence as a small nation of 66m - US trade sanctions on tech levy for instance. Any particular reason why you think the uk would have just out of interest? because i cant and no one envisaged the total fuck up of the eu procurement are you telling me the uk government would have?
It was not mandatory to follow the EU procurement rules, so it is unlikely we would have done anyway. "Sorry you are not making yourself very clear why would it have been unlikely we would have followed the eu? personally i think if we were in we would have gone along with the other 27. | |||
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"So I buy produce from Europe on a daily basis The Dutch put £100 on a pallet coming into uk Normally cost £100 for 10 boxes or 1000 boxes Brexit Dutch say extra paperwork ect so cost £200 per pallet Sooo we stop buying it Suddenly cost goes back down to £100 per pallet Vaccine The British government made decisions, gambles that have paid off !! Independent decisions for the benefit of the uk Couldn’t have done this in eu !! Tell me I’m wrong! We could have made our own vaccine choices in the EU, another Brexit lie. We had a lot of freedom in the EU, in many ways we had more than we will going forward. We have less power and influence as a small nation of 66m - US trade sanctions on tech levy for instance. Any particular reason why you think the uk would have just out of interest? because i cant and no one envisaged the total fuck up of the eu procurement are you telling me the uk government would have?
It was not mandatory to follow the EU procurement rules, so it is unlikely we would have done anyway. Sorry you are not making yourself very clear why would it have been unlikely we would have followed the eu? personally i think if we were in we would have gone along with the other 27."We have the best scientists and medical experts in the world, | |||
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"So I buy produce from Europe on a daily basis The Dutch put £100 on a pallet coming into uk Normally cost £100 for 10 boxes or 1000 boxes Brexit Dutch say extra paperwork ect so cost £200 per pallet Sooo we stop buying it Suddenly cost goes back down to £100 per pallet Vaccine The British government made decisions, gambles that have paid off !! Independent decisions for the benefit of the uk Couldn’t have done this in eu !! Tell me I’m wrong! We could have made our own vaccine choices in the EU, another Brexit lie. We had a lot of freedom in the EU, in many ways we had more than we will going forward. We have less power and influence as a small nation of 66m - US trade sanctions on tech levy for instance. Any particular reason why you think the uk would have just out of interest? because i cant and no one envisaged the total fuck up of the eu procurement are you telling me the uk government would have?
It was not mandatory to follow the EU procurement rules, so it is unlikely we would have done anyway. Sorry you are not making yourself very clear why would it have been unlikely we would have followed the eu? personally i think if we were in we would have gone along with the other 27."Well, given we have been arguing about Brexit for 5 years, it is an obvious area where we would have chosen to differ. We also did with PPE purchasing. Are you saying ‘had we not had the Brexit vote, we’d have followed the EU offer?’ Again, it was optional & not mandatory. Indeed had Farage not been an arse as an MEP for 20 years, would we have been able to have shaped a better EU, no doubt | |||
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"So I buy produce from Europe on a daily basis The Dutch put £100 on a pallet coming into uk Normally cost £100 for 10 boxes or 1000 boxes Brexit Dutch say extra paperwork ect so cost £200 per pallet Sooo we stop buying it Suddenly cost goes back down to £100 per pallet Vaccine The British government made decisions, gambles that have paid off !! Independent decisions for the benefit of the uk Couldn’t have done this in eu !! Tell me I’m wrong! We could have made our own vaccine choices in the EU, another Brexit lie. We had a lot of freedom in the EU, in many ways we had more than we will going forward. We have less power and influence as a small nation of 66m - US trade sanctions on tech levy for instance. Any particular reason why you think the uk would have just out of interest? because i cant and no one envisaged the total fuck up of the eu procurement are you telling me the uk government would have?
It was not mandatory to follow the EU procurement rules, so it is unlikely we would have done anyway. Sorry you are not making yourself very clear why would it have been unlikely we would have followed the eu? personally i think if we were in we would have gone along with the other 27.
Well, given we have been arguing about Brexit for 5 years, it is an obvious area where we would have chosen to differ. We also did with PPE purchasing. Are you saying ‘had we not had the Brexit vote, we’d have followed the EU offer?’
Again, it was optional & not mandatory. Indeed had Farage not been an arse as an MEP for 20 years, would we have been able to have shaped a better EU, no doubt "The statement was we could have gone our own way if still in Europe what makes you think we would have if we were ? its a simple question what hindsight do you think the uk would have had over the other 27 countries to do that.I would have thought it was right to go along with the eu if we were still in and i didnt trust them one bit and heres you a remainer saying we would have gone it alone.All i want is for you to explain why you think that would have happened. | |||
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"So I buy produce from Europe on a daily basis The Dutch put £100 on a pallet coming into uk Normally cost £100 for 10 boxes or 1000 boxes Brexit Dutch say extra paperwork ect so cost £200 per pallet Sooo we stop buying it Suddenly cost goes back down to £100 per pallet Vaccine The British government made decisions, gambles that have paid off !! Independent decisions for the benefit of the uk Couldn’t have done this in eu !! Tell me I’m wrong! We could have made our own vaccine choices in the EU, another Brexit lie. We had a lot of freedom in the EU, in many ways we had more than we will going forward. We have less power and influence as a small nation of 66m - US trade sanctions on tech levy for instance. Any particular reason why you think the uk would have just out of interest? because i cant and no one envisaged the total fuck up of the eu procurement are you telling me the uk government would have?
It was not mandatory to follow the EU procurement rules, so it is unlikely we would have done anyway. Sorry you are not making yourself very clear why would it have been unlikely we would have followed the eu? personally i think if we were in we would have gone along with the other 27.
Well, given we have been arguing about Brexit for 5 years, it is an obvious area where we would have chosen to differ. We also did with PPE purchasing. Are you saying ‘had we not had the Brexit vote, we’d have followed the EU offer?’
Again, it was optional & not mandatory. Indeed had Farage not been an arse as an MEP for 20 years, would we have been able to have shaped a better EU, no doubt The statement was we could have gone our own way if still in Europe what makes you think we would have if we were ? its a simple question what hindsight do you think the uk would have had over the other 27 countries to do that.I would have thought it was right to go along with the eu if we were still in and i didnt trust them one bit and heres you a remainer saying we would have gone it alone.All i want is for you to explain why you think that would have happened."We have the best scientists and medical experts in the world, just like Boris said at the time . It is an insult to them that people only think we decided to go our own way is because we were leaving the EU. | |||
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"Have enjoyed the entertainment of the EU argument, it will never get resolved, leavers will always see positives and remainers the negatives. But to answer the questions: yes we could have done exactly as we have whilst still in the EU, would we have probably not, but that is speculation. Do we have the worst death rate or the highest number of deaths in the world, no we don't, but you can spin it any way you wish. Do I think we are better out of the EU, in the long term I believe we are, but only time will tell" When can we expect some news on the brexit positives? What do you base your optimism on? | |||
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"Have enjoyed the entertainment of the EU argument, it will never get resolved, leavers will always see positives and remainers the negatives. But to answer the questions: yes we could have done exactly as we have whilst still in the EU, would we have probably not, but that is speculation. Do we have the worst death rate or the highest number of deaths in the world, no we don't, but you can spin it any way you wish. Do I think we are better out of the EU, in the long term I believe we are, but only time will tell When can we expect some news on the brexit positives? What do you base your optimism on?" look at the vaccine rollout for a starter im sure there will be plenty more one the world is open for business again. | |||
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"Have enjoyed the entertainment of the EU argument, it will never get resolved, leavers will always see positives and remainers the negatives. But to answer the questions: yes we could have done exactly as we have whilst still in the EU, would we have probably not, but that is speculation. Do we have the worst death rate or the highest number of deaths in the world, no we don't, but you can spin it any way you wish. Do I think we are better out of the EU, in the long term I believe we are, but only time will tell When can we expect some news on the brexit positives? What do you base your optimism on?look at the vaccine rollout for a starter im sure there will be plenty more one the world is open for business again. "Indeed the vaccine roll out is going well. Is there anything we can expect in terms of brexit related good news? | |||
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"Have enjoyed the entertainment of the EU argument, it will never get resolved, leavers will always see positives and remainers the negatives. But to answer the questions: yes we could have done exactly as we have whilst still in the EU, would we have probably not, but that is speculation. Do we have the worst death rate or the highest number of deaths in the world, no we don't, but you can spin it any way you wish. Do I think we are better out of the EU, in the long term I believe we are, but only time will tell When can we expect some news on the brexit positives? What do you base your optimism on?look at the vaccine rollout for a starter im sure there will be plenty more one the world is open for business again.
Indeed the vaccine roll out is going well.
Is there anything we can expect in terms of brexit related good news?"It is getting to the point where they are now claiming non Brexit related benefits , sad to see | |||
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"Have enjoyed the entertainment of the EU argument, it will never get resolved, leavers will always see positives and remainers the negatives. But to answer the questions: yes we could have done exactly as we have whilst still in the EU, would we have probably not, but that is speculation. Do we have the worst death rate or the highest number of deaths in the world, no we don't, but you can spin it any way you wish. Do I think we are better out of the EU, in the long term I believe we are, but only time will tell When can we expect some news on the brexit positives? What do you base your optimism on?look at the vaccine rollout for a starter im sure there will be plenty more one the world is open for business again.
Indeed the vaccine roll out is going well.
Is there anything we can expect in terms of brexit related good news?
It is getting to the point where they are now claiming non Brexit related benefits , sad to see "Why do you think they are clinging onto the vaccine is much? It's a godsend for them. | |||
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" So who to blame us or the eu that are having a third wave ." I blame COVID | |||
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"Have enjoyed the entertainment of the EU argument, it will never get resolved, leavers will always see positives and remainers the negatives. But to answer the questions: yes we could have done exactly as we have whilst still in the EU, would we have probably not, but that is speculation. Do we have the worst death rate or the highest number of deaths in the world, no we don't, but you can spin it any way you wish. Do I think we are better out of the EU, in the long term I believe we are, but only time will tell When can we expect some news on the brexit positives? What do you base your optimism on?look at the vaccine rollout for a starter im sure there will be plenty more one the world is open for business again.
Indeed the vaccine roll out is going well.
Is there anything we can expect in terms of brexit related good news?"Are you another who is going to claim we would have gone our own way if we were still in the eu? | |||
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"Have enjoyed the entertainment of the EU argument, it will never get resolved, leavers will always see positives and remainers the negatives. But to answer the questions: yes we could have done exactly as we have whilst still in the EU, would we have probably not, but that is speculation. Do we have the worst death rate or the highest number of deaths in the world, no we don't, but you can spin it any way you wish. Do I think we are better out of the EU, in the long term I believe we are, but only time will tell When can we expect some news on the brexit positives? What do you base your optimism on?look at the vaccine rollout for a starter im sure there will be plenty more one the world is open for business again.
Indeed the vaccine roll out is going well.
Is there anything we can expect in terms of brexit related good news?Are you another who is going to claim we would have gone our own way if we were still in the eu? "Why are you insulting the scientists and medical experts in this country ? | |||
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"Have enjoyed the entertainment of the EU argument, it will never get resolved, leavers will always see positives and remainers the negatives. But to answer the questions: yes we could have done exactly as we have whilst still in the EU, would we have probably not, but that is speculation. Do we have the worst death rate or the highest number of deaths in the world, no we don't, but you can spin it any way you wish. Do I think we are better out of the EU, in the long term I believe we are, but only time will tell When can we expect some news on the brexit positives? What do you base your optimism on?look at the vaccine rollout for a starter im sure there will be plenty more one the world is open for business again.
Indeed the vaccine roll out is going well.
Is there anything we can expect in terms of brexit related good news?Are you another who is going to claim we would have gone our own way if we were still in the eu? "I'm not claiming anything. You're assuming things because you've backed yourself into a rather silly corner. You seem to be basing the vaccine roll out on being out of the EU, purely on the, 'we might not have gone it alone' argument. | |||
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" So who to blame us or the eu that are having a third wave ." Why are the only options "us" or "the EU"? Surely Covid is not aware of such things. | |||
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"Have enjoyed the entertainment of the EU argument, it will never get resolved, leavers will always see positives and remainers the negatives. But to answer the questions: yes we could have done exactly as we have whilst still in the EU, would we have probably not, but that is speculation. Do we have the worst death rate or the highest number of deaths in the world, no we don't, but you can spin it any way you wish. Do I think we are better out of the EU, in the long term I believe we are, but only time will tell When can we expect some news on the brexit positives? What do you base your optimism on?look at the vaccine rollout for a starter im sure there will be plenty more one the world is open for business again.
Indeed the vaccine roll out is going well.
Is there anything we can expect in terms of brexit related good news?Are you another who is going to claim we would have gone our own way if we were still in the eu?
I'm not claiming anything. You're assuming things because you've backed yourself into a rather silly corner.
You seem to be basing the vaccine roll out on being out of the EU, purely on the, 'we might not have gone it alone' argument.
"Far from it ,you seem to be the one in the corner i have not heard one valid or un valid reason why you remainers think the uk would have been the only country in the eu not to go along with the vaccine procurement.I find it highly amusing that you are arguing against your beloved eu on the "we could have gone it alone" when you, me and anyone with any sense knows we would not have as at the time no one knew how inept they would turn out to be. This pandemic could not have come at a worse time for the eu or remainers as it has shown them up to be slow, indecisive and a total bloody shamble. | |||
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" So who to blame us or the eu that are having a third wave . Why are the only options "us" or "the EU"? Surely Covid is not aware of such things. " It has been proved that COVID is anti EU, | |||
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"Have enjoyed the entertainment of the EU argument, it will never get resolved, leavers will always see positives and remainers the negatives. But to answer the questions: yes we could have done exactly as we have whilst still in the EU, would we have probably not, but that is speculation. Do we have the worst death rate or the highest number of deaths in the world, no we don't, but you can spin it any way you wish. Do I think we are better out of the EU, in the long term I believe we are, but only time will tell When can we expect some news on the brexit positives? What do you base your optimism on?look at the vaccine rollout for a starter im sure there will be plenty more one the world is open for business again.
Indeed the vaccine roll out is going well.
Is there anything we can expect in terms of brexit related good news?Are you another who is going to claim we would have gone our own way if we were still in the eu?
I'm not claiming anything. You're assuming things because you've backed yourself into a rather silly corner.
You seem to be basing the vaccine roll out on being out of the EU, purely on the, 'we might not have gone it alone' argument.
Far from it ,you seem to be the one in the corner i have not heard one valid or un valid reason why you remainers think the uk would have been the only country in the eu not to go along with the vaccine procurement.I find it highly amusing that you are arguing against your beloved eu on the "we could have gone it alone" when you, me and anyone with any sense knows we would not have as at the time no one knew how inept they would turn out to be.
This pandemic could not have come at a worse time for the eu or remainers as it has shown them up to be slow, indecisive and a total bloody shamble. "You're the one making the claim here that the UK might not have gone in with the EU on the vaccine. This is your claim. I am not making a counter claim. You're basing your pro-brexit argument based on your claim. That's it. I am not arguing against or for the EU. You're making up a load of faff to distract from the point that the Vaccine roll out is unrelated to Brexit. | |||
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"Have enjoyed the entertainment of the EU argument, it will never get resolved, leavers will always see positives and remainers the negatives. But to answer the questions: yes we could have done exactly as we have whilst still in the EU, would we have probably not, but that is speculation. Do we have the worst death rate or the highest number of deaths in the world, no we don't, but you can spin it any way you wish. Do I think we are better out of the EU, in the long term I believe we are, but only time will tell When can we expect some news on the brexit positives? What do you base your optimism on?look at the vaccine rollout for a starter im sure there will be plenty more one the world is open for business again.
Indeed the vaccine roll out is going well.
Is there anything we can expect in terms of brexit related good news?Are you another who is going to claim we would have gone our own way if we were still in the eu?
I'm not claiming anything. You're assuming things because you've backed yourself into a rather silly corner.
You seem to be basing the vaccine roll out on being out of the EU, purely on the, 'we might not have gone it alone' argument.
Far from it ,you seem to be the one in the corner i have not heard one valid or un valid reason why you remainers think the uk would have been the only country in the eu not to go along with the vaccine procurement.I find it highly amusing that you are arguing against your beloved eu on the "we could have gone it alone" when you, me and anyone with any sense knows we would not have as at the time no one knew how inept they would turn out to be.
This pandemic could not have come at a worse time for the eu or remainers as it has shown them up to be slow, indecisive and a total bloody shamble.
You're the one making the claim here that the UK might not have gone in with the EU on the vaccine. This is your claim.
I am not making a counter claim.
You're basing your pro-brexit argument based on your claim.
That's it. I am not arguing against or for the EU. You're making up a load of faff to distract from the point that the Vaccine roll out is unrelated to Brexit.
"Im not claiming that at all you do seem to have got yourself in a muddle i have said all along if we were still in the eu we would have gone along with the rest of them and been in the same boat.We were out of the eu and went our own way and have shown them up for what they are . You really should go back and read what i said. | |||
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"Have enjoyed the entertainment of the EU argument, it will never get resolved, leavers will always see positives and remainers the negatives. But to answer the questions: yes we could have done exactly as we have whilst still in the EU, would we have probably not, but that is speculation. Do we have the worst death rate or the highest number of deaths in the world, no we don't, but you can spin it any way you wish. Do I think we are better out of the EU, in the long term I believe we are, but only time will tell When can we expect some news on the brexit positives? What do you base your optimism on?look at the vaccine rollout for a starter im sure there will be plenty more one the world is open for business again.
Indeed the vaccine roll out is going well.
Is there anything we can expect in terms of brexit related good news?Are you another who is going to claim we would have gone our own way if we were still in the eu?
I'm not claiming anything. You're assuming things because you've backed yourself into a rather silly corner.
You seem to be basing the vaccine roll out on being out of the EU, purely on the, 'we might not have gone it alone' argument.
Far from it ,you seem to be the one in the corner i have not heard one valid or un valid reason why you remainers think the uk would have been the only country in the eu not to go along with the vaccine procurement.I find it highly amusing that you are arguing against your beloved eu on the "we could have gone it alone" when you, me and anyone with any sense knows we would not have as at the time no one knew how inept they would turn out to be.
This pandemic could not have come at a worse time for the eu or remainers as it has shown them up to be slow, indecisive and a total bloody shamble.
You're the one making the claim here that the UK might not have gone in with the EU on the vaccine. This is your claim.
I am not making a counter claim.
You're basing your pro-brexit argument based on your claim.
That's it. I am not arguing against or for the EU. You're making up a load of faff to distract from the point that the Vaccine roll out is unrelated to Brexit.
Im not claiming that at all you do seem to have got yourself in a muddle i have said all along if we were still in the eu we would have gone along with the rest of them and been in the same boat.We were out of the eu and went our own way and have shown them up for what they are . You really should go back and read what i said. "Uh hu. So you're basing your pro brexit argument on the premise that the UK might not have gone independent on the vaccine. That's fine. You're entitled to. That's the end. But the "maybe we wouldn't" in a hypothetical scenario is a pretty weak pro brexit argument. | |||
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"Have enjoyed the entertainment of the EU argument, it will never get resolved, leavers will always see positives and remainers the negatives. But to answer the questions: yes we could have done exactly as we have whilst still in the EU, would we have probably not, but that is speculation. Do we have the worst death rate or the highest number of deaths in the world, no we don't, but you can spin it any way you wish. Do I think we are better out of the EU, in the long term I believe we are, but only time will tell When can we expect some news on the brexit positives? What do you base your optimism on?look at the vaccine rollout for a starter im sure there will be plenty more one the world is open for business again.
Indeed the vaccine roll out is going well.
Is there anything we can expect in terms of brexit related good news?Are you another who is going to claim we would have gone our own way if we were still in the eu?
I'm not claiming anything. You're assuming things because you've backed yourself into a rather silly corner.
You seem to be basing the vaccine roll out on being out of the EU, purely on the, 'we might not have gone it alone' argument.
Far from it ,you seem to be the one in the corner i have not heard one valid or un valid reason why you remainers think the uk would have been the only country in the eu not to go along with the vaccine procurement.I find it highly amusing that you are arguing against your beloved eu on the "we could have gone it alone" when you, me and anyone with any sense knows we would not have as at the time no one knew how inept they would turn out to be.
This pandemic could not have come at a worse time for the eu or remainers as it has shown them up to be slow, indecisive and a total bloody shamble.
You're the one making the claim here that the UK might not have gone in with the EU on the vaccine. This is your claim.
I am not making a counter claim.
You're basing your pro-brexit argument based on your claim.
That's it. I am not arguing against or for the EU. You're making up a load of faff to distract from the point that the Vaccine roll out is unrelated to Brexit.
Im not claiming that at all you do seem to have got yourself in a muddle i have said all along if we were still in the eu we would have gone along with the rest of them and been in the same boat.We were out of the eu and went our own way and have shown them up for what they are . You really should go back and read what i said.
Uh hu.
So you're basing your pro brexit argument on the premise that the UK might not have gone independent on the vaccine.
That's fine. You're entitled to. That's the end.
But the "maybe we wouldn't" in a hypothetical scenario is a pretty weak pro brexit argument."Im basing it on we would have gone along with it as no one has given me a credible argument why we would have been the only country not to. This is one example of why the eu tried to keep a hold on the uk,they are being shown to be slow, indecisive and inept and this one thing has shone a light on the fact.Give it a few years when we have bespoke trade deals with the rest of the world and you will see how much the people of europe have been held back by how slow the commissions work. | |||
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"Have enjoyed the entertainment of the EU argument, it will never get resolved, leavers will always see positives and remainers the negatives. But to answer the questions: yes we could have done exactly as we have whilst still in the EU, would we have probably not, but that is speculation. Do we have the worst death rate or the highest number of deaths in the world, no we don't, but you can spin it any way you wish. Do I think we are better out of the EU, in the long term I believe we are, but only time will tell When can we expect some news on the brexit positives? What do you base your optimism on?look at the vaccine rollout for a starter im sure there will be plenty more one the world is open for business again.
Indeed the vaccine roll out is going well.
Is there anything we can expect in terms of brexit related good news?Are you another who is going to claim we would have gone our own way if we were still in the eu?
I'm not claiming anything. You're assuming things because you've backed yourself into a rather silly corner.
You seem to be basing the vaccine roll out on being out of the EU, purely on the, 'we might not have gone it alone' argument.
Far from it ,you seem to be the one in the corner i have not heard one valid or un valid reason why you remainers think the uk would have been the only country in the eu not to go along with the vaccine procurement.I find it highly amusing that you are arguing against your beloved eu on the "we could have gone it alone" when you, me and anyone with any sense knows we would not have as at the time no one knew how inept they would turn out to be.
This pandemic could not have come at a worse time for the eu or remainers as it has shown them up to be slow, indecisive and a total bloody shamble.
You're the one making the claim here that the UK might not have gone in with the EU on the vaccine. This is your claim.
I am not making a counter claim.
You're basing your pro-brexit argument based on your claim.
That's it. I am not arguing against or for the EU. You're making up a load of faff to distract from the point that the Vaccine roll out is unrelated to Brexit.
Im not claiming that at all you do seem to have got yourself in a muddle i have said all along if we were still in the eu we would have gone along with the rest of them and been in the same boat.We were out of the eu and went our own way and have shown them up for what they are . You really should go back and read what i said.
Uh hu.
So you're basing your pro brexit argument on the premise that the UK might not have gone independent on the vaccine.
That's fine. You're entitled to. That's the end.
But the "maybe we wouldn't" in a hypothetical scenario is a pretty weak pro brexit argument.Im basing it on we would have gone along with it as no one has given me a credible argument why we would have been the only country not to.
This is one example of why the eu tried to keep a hold on the uk,they are being shown to be slow, indecisive and inept and this one thing has shone a light on the fact.Give it a few years when we have bespoke trade deals with the rest of the world and you will see how much the people of europe have been held back by how slow the commissions work. "
Well, we've no choice but to wait and see if your optimism is warranted.
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"Have enjoyed the entertainment of the EU argument, it will never get resolved, leavers will always see positives and remainers the negatives. But to answer the questions: yes we could have done exactly as we have whilst still in the EU, would we have probably not, but that is speculation. Do we have the worst death rate or the highest number of deaths in the world, no we don't, but you can spin it any way you wish. Do I think we are better out of the EU, in the long term I believe we are, but only time will tell When can we expect some news on the brexit positives? What do you base your optimism on?look at the vaccine rollout for a starter im sure there will be plenty more one the world is open for business again.
Indeed the vaccine roll out is going well.
Is there anything we can expect in terms of brexit related good news?Are you another who is going to claim we would have gone our own way if we were still in the eu?
I'm not claiming anything. You're assuming things because you've backed yourself into a rather silly corner.
You seem to be basing the vaccine roll out on being out of the EU, purely on the, 'we might not have gone it alone' argument.
Far from it ,you seem to be the one in the corner i have not heard one valid or un valid reason why you remainers think the uk would have been the only country in the eu not to go along with the vaccine procurement.I find it highly amusing that you are arguing against your beloved eu on the "we could have gone it alone" when you, me and anyone with any sense knows we would not have as at the time no one knew how inept they would turn out to be.
This pandemic could not have come at a worse time for the eu or remainers as it has shown them up to be slow, indecisive and a total bloody shamble.
You're the one making the claim here that the UK might not have gone in with the EU on the vaccine. This is your claim.
I am not making a counter claim.
You're basing your pro-brexit argument based on your claim.
That's it. I am not arguing against or for the EU. You're making up a load of faff to distract from the point that the Vaccine roll out is unrelated to Brexit.
Im not claiming that at all you do seem to have got yourself in a muddle i have said all along if we were still in the eu we would have gone along with the rest of them and been in the same boat.We were out of the eu and went our own way and have shown them up for what they are . You really should go back and read what i said.
Uh hu.
So you're basing your pro brexit argument on the premise that the UK might not have gone independent on the vaccine.
That's fine. You're entitled to. That's the end.
But the "maybe we wouldn't" in a hypothetical scenario is a pretty weak pro brexit argument.Im basing it on we would have gone along with it as no one has given me a credible argument why we would have been the only country not to.
This is one example of why the eu tried to keep a hold on the uk,they are being shown to be slow, indecisive and inept and this one thing has shone a light on the fact.Give it a few years when we have bespoke trade deals with the rest of the world and you will see how much the people of europe have been held back by how slow the commissions work.
Well, we've no choice but to wait and see if your optimism is warranted.
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"So I buy produce from Europe on a daily basis The Dutch put £100 on a pallet coming into uk Normally cost £100 for 10 boxes or 1000 boxes Brexit Dutch say extra paperwork ect so cost £200 per pallet Sooo we stop buying it Suddenly cost goes back down to £100 per pallet Vaccine The British government made decisions, gambles that have paid off !! Independent decisions for the benefit of the uk Couldn’t have done this in eu !! Tell me I’m wrong! We could have made our own vaccine choices in the EU, another Brexit lie. We had a lot of freedom in the EU, in many ways we had more than we will going forward. We have less power and influence as a small nation of 66m - US trade sanctions on tech levy for instance. Any particular reason why you think the uk would have just out of interest? because i cant and no one envisaged the total fuck up of the eu procurement are you telling me the uk government would have?
It was not mandatory to follow the EU procurement rules, so it is unlikely we would have done anyway. Sorry you are not making yourself very clear why would it have been unlikely we would have followed the eu? personally i think if we were in we would have gone along with the other 27.
Well, given we have been arguing about Brexit for 5 years, it is an obvious area where we would have chosen to differ. We also did with PPE purchasing. Are you saying ‘had we not had the Brexit vote, we’d have followed the EU offer?’
Again, it was optional & not mandatory. Indeed had Farage not been an arse as an MEP for 20 years, would we have been able to have shaped a better EU, no doubt The statement was we could have gone our own way if still in Europe what makes you think we would have if we were ? its a simple question what hindsight do you think the uk would have had over the other 27 countries to do that.I would have thought it was right to go along with the eu if we were still in and i didnt trust them one bit and heres you a remainer saying we would have gone it alone.All i want is for you to explain why you think that would have happened."In your hypothetical world, I’d have ditched Farage years ago & allowed Britain to both influence the EU positively. In doing this we would not have had Brexit, we would have learned the lessons of Project Cygnus and we would have PPE stored in the right numbers and in date. We’d also have agreed with our EU partners to do the right thing, both across the EU to support smaller nations and locally. Wouldn’t this outcome be better than 150,000 Covid deaths... | |||
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"So I buy produce from Europe on a daily basis The Dutch put £100 on a pallet coming into uk Normally cost £100 for 10 boxes or 1000 boxes Brexit Dutch say extra paperwork ect so cost £200 per pallet Sooo we stop buying it Suddenly cost goes back down to £100 per pallet Vaccine The British government made decisions, gambles that have paid off !! Independent decisions for the benefit of the uk Couldn’t have done this in eu !! Tell me I’m wrong! We could have made our own vaccine choices in the EU, another Brexit lie. We had a lot of freedom in the EU, in many ways we had more than we will going forward. We have less power and influence as a small nation of 66m - US trade sanctions on tech levy for instance. Any particular reason why you think the uk would have just out of interest? because i cant and no one envisaged the total fuck up of the eu procurement are you telling me the uk government would have?
It was not mandatory to follow the EU procurement rules, so it is unlikely we would have done anyway. Sorry you are not making yourself very clear why would it have been unlikely we would have followed the eu? personally i think if we were in we would have gone along with the other 27.
Well, given we have been arguing about Brexit for 5 years, it is an obvious area where we would have chosen to differ. We also did with PPE purchasing. Are you saying ‘had we not had the Brexit vote, we’d have followed the EU offer?’
Again, it was optional & not mandatory. Indeed had Farage not been an arse as an MEP for 20 years, would we have been able to have shaped a better EU, no doubt The statement was we could have gone our own way if still in Europe what makes you think we would have if we were ? its a simple question what hindsight do you think the uk would have had over the other 27 countries to do that.I would have thought it was right to go along with the eu if we were still in and i didnt trust them one bit and heres you a remainer saying we would have gone it alone.All i want is for you to explain why you think that would have happened.
In your hypothetical world, I’d have ditched Farage years ago & allowed Britain to both influence the EU positively. In doing this we would not have had Brexit, we would have learned the lessons of Project Cygnus and we would have PPE stored in the right numbers and in date. We’d also have agreed with our EU partners to do the right thing, both across the EU to support smaller nations and locally.
Wouldn’t this outcome be better than 150,000 Covid deaths..."I like your hypothetical world, | |||
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" In your hypothetical world, I’d have ditched Farage years ago & allowed Britain to both influence the EU positively. In doing this we would not have had Brexit, we would have learned the lessons of Project Cygnus and we would have PPE stored in the right numbers and in date. We’d also have agreed with our EU partners to do the right thing, both across the EU to support smaller nations and locally. Wouldn’t this outcome be better than 150,000 Covid deaths..." I think you give NF toomuch credit, the only influence he had was to keep showing the EU up, he had no power within the government to influence the uk in either direction and why would that have any influence over the cygnus report, according to remainers we had power to do these things anyway, why would the EU need the UK to get it to do the right thing for other nations, that single sentence has just destroyed any argument you have for saying the 27 are better together if the small nations needs to fight their corner. Have you been to the Diane Abbott maths school again where have you got the 150,000deaths from, and you accuse boris of making stuff up | |||
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"So I buy produce from Europe on a daily basis The Dutch put £100 on a pallet coming into uk Normally cost £100 for 10 boxes or 1000 boxes Brexit Dutch say extra paperwork ect so cost £200 per pallet Sooo we stop buying it Suddenly cost goes back down to £100 per pallet Vaccine The British government made decisions, gambles that have paid off !! Independent decisions for the benefit of the uk Couldn’t have done this in eu !! Tell me I’m wrong! We could have made our own vaccine choices in the EU, another Brexit lie. We had a lot of freedom in the EU, in many ways we had more than we will going forward. We have less power and influence as a small nation of 66m - US trade sanctions on tech levy for instance. Any particular reason why you think the uk would have just out of interest? because i cant and no one envisaged the total fuck up of the eu procurement are you telling me the uk government would have?
It was not mandatory to follow the EU procurement rules, so it is unlikely we would have done anyway. Sorry you are not making yourself very clear why would it have been unlikely we would have followed the eu? personally i think if we were in we would have gone along with the other 27.
Well, given we have been arguing about Brexit for 5 years, it is an obvious area where we would have chosen to differ. We also did with PPE purchasing. Are you saying ‘had we not had the Brexit vote, we’d have followed the EU offer?’
Again, it was optional & not mandatory. Indeed had Farage not been an arse as an MEP for 20 years, would we have been able to have shaped a better EU, no doubt The statement was we could have gone our own way if still in Europe what makes you think we would have if we were ? its a simple question what hindsight do you think the uk would have had over the other 27 countries to do that.I would have thought it was right to go along with the eu if we were still in and i didnt trust them one bit and heres you a remainer saying we would have gone it alone.All i want is for you to explain why you think that would have happened.
In your hypothetical world, I’d have ditched Farage years ago & allowed Britain to both influence the EU positively. In doing this we would not have had Brexit, we would have learned the lessons of Project Cygnus and we would have PPE stored in the right numbers and in date. We’d also have agreed with our EU partners to do the right thing, both across the EU to support smaller nations and locally.
Wouldn’t this outcome be better than 150,000 Covid deaths..."Dont you realise its disrespectful to use deaths to points score? It's only acceptable if we are accusing the eu. | |||
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" In your hypothetical world, I’d have ditched Farage years ago & allowed Britain to both influence the EU positively. In doing this we would not have had Brexit, we would have learned the lessons of Project Cygnus and we would have PPE stored in the right numbers and in date. We’d also have agreed with our EU partners to do the right thing, both across the EU to support smaller nations and locally. Wouldn’t this outcome be better than 150,000 Covid deaths... I think you give NF toomuch credit, the only influence he had was to keep showing the EU up, he had no power within the government to influence the uk in either direction and why would that have any influence over the cygnus report, according to remainers we had power to do these things anyway, why would the EU need the UK to get it to do the right thing for other nations, that single sentence has just destroyed any argument you have for saying the 27 are better together if the small nations needs to fight their corner. Have you been to the Diane Abbott maths school again where have you got the 150,000deaths from, and you accuse boris of making stuff up " "three hundred thousand, and thirty four, nine hundred and seventy four thousand" tests for the virus. Priti Patel | |||
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" In your hypothetical world, I’d have ditched Farage years ago & allowed Britain to both influence the EU positively. In doing this we would not have had Brexit, we would have learned the lessons of Project Cygnus and we would have PPE stored in the right numbers and in date. We’d also have agreed with our EU partners to do the right thing, both across the EU to support smaller nations and locally. Wouldn’t this outcome be better than 150,000 Covid deaths... I think you give NF toomuch credit, the only influence he had was to keep showing the EU up, he had no power within the government to influence the uk in either direction and why would that have any influence over the cygnus report, according to remainers we had power to do these things anyway, why would the EU need the UK to get it to do the right thing for other nations, that single sentence has just destroyed any argument you have for saying the 27 are better together if the small nations needs to fight their corner. Have you been to the Diane Abbott maths school again where have you got the 150,000deaths from, and you accuse boris of making stuff up " Farage made European Politics a challenge for the sane, so Tory’s and Labour left him to it and didn’t call him out - just look at fishing now, having Farage on their side in the EU Commission really helped... I see nothing wrong with actually reading Project Cygnus and following its recommendations - unlike the Tories... In terms of supporting smaller countries with leverage, why not? We could have influenced the EU to accept Vaccines earlier and saved many lives... Are you saying that we do not have excess deaths of 150,000? What do you think it is then? | |||
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" In your hypothetical world, I’d have ditched Farage years ago & allowed Britain to both influence the EU positively. In doing this we would not have had Brexit, we would have learned the lessons of Project Cygnus and we would have PPE stored in the right numbers and in date. We’d also have agreed with our EU partners to do the right thing, both across the EU to support smaller nations and locally. Wouldn’t this outcome be better than 150,000 Covid deaths... I think you give NF toomuch credit, the only influence he had was to keep showing the EU up, he had no power within the government to influence the uk in either direction and why would that have any influence over the cygnus report, according to remainers we had power to do these things anyway, why would the EU need the UK to get it to do the right thing for other nations, that single sentence has just destroyed any argument you have for saying the 27 are better together if the small nations needs to fight their corner. Have you been to the Diane Abbott maths school again where have you got the 150,000deaths from, and you accuse boris of making stuff up " 149,168 taken from uk data gmnt. Or was Christopher grayling in charge? | |||
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" In your hypothetical world, I’d have ditched Farage years ago & allowed Britain to both influence the EU positively. In doing this we would not have had Brexit, we would have learned the lessons of Project Cygnus and we would have PPE stored in the right numbers and in date. We’d also have agreed with our EU partners to do the right thing, both across the EU to support smaller nations and locally. Wouldn’t this outcome be better than 150,000 Covid deaths... I think you give NF toomuch credit, the only influence he had was to keep showing the EU up, he had no power within the government to influence the uk in either direction and why would that have any influence over the cygnus report, according to remainers we had power to do these things anyway, why would the EU need the UK to get it to do the right thing for other nations, that single sentence has just destroyed any argument you have for saying the 27 are better together if the small nations needs to fight their corner. Have you been to the Diane Abbott maths school again where have you got the 150,000deaths from, and you accuse boris of making stuff up 149,168 taken from uk data gmnt. Or was Christopher grayling in charge?" Oops, silly me I rounded up to 150,000. I’m sure they were picking me up on the 832 difference
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"I’m not confused in the slightest Then why do you keep contradicting yourself and saying things that aren't true? How many EU countries went their own way until the last few weeks ? Do you not think there was enormous pressure applied to work as one ? You are wasting your time he knows that as well as the rest of us but just doesn't want to admit to an eu failure." | |||
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"I’m not confused in the slightest Then why do you keep contradicting yourself and saying things that aren't true? How many EU countries went their own way until the last few weeks ? Do you not think there was enormous pressure applied to work as one ? You are wasting your time he knows that as well as the rest of us but just doesn't want to admit to an eu failure. " | |||
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" In your hypothetical world, I’d have ditched Farage years ago & allowed Britain to both influence the EU positively. In doing this we would not have had Brexit, we would have learned the lessons of Project Cygnus and we would have PPE stored in the right numbers and in date. We’d also have agreed with our EU partners to do the right thing, both across the EU to support smaller nations and locally. Wouldn’t this outcome be better than 150,000 Covid deaths... I think you give NF toomuch credit, the only influence he had was to keep showing the EU up, he had no power within the government to influence the uk in either direction and why would that have any influence over the cygnus report, according to remainers we had power to do these things anyway, why would the EU need the UK to get it to do the right thing for other nations, that single sentence has just destroyed any argument you have for saying the 27 are better together if the small nations needs to fight their corner. Have you been to the Diane Abbott maths school again where have you got the 150,000deaths from, and you accuse boris of making stuff up Farage made European Politics a challenge for the sane, so Tory’s and Labour left him to it and didn’t call him out - just look at fishing now, having Farage on their side in the EU Commission really helped... I see nothing wrong with actually reading Project Cygnus and following its recommendations - unlike the Tories... In terms of supporting smaller countries with leverage, why not? We could have influenced the EU to accept Vaccines earlier and saved many lives... Are you saying that we do not have excess deaths of 150,000? What do you think it is then?" Oh dear YOU said 150,000 covid deaths now its excess deaths, glad you admit you were wrong and lied. How would we have influenced the eu to use the vaccines earlier the 27 waited until the ema approved them, as remainers keep pointing out in emergency situations countries can use some before approval so why would we have influenced the others ? cant they make their own mind up ? Oops no silly me they do as they are told. | |||
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So we vaccinate more than anyone
Made decisions on our own that have paid off
Are now finishing and bottling in uk no need to export
Ermmm you do realise UK was the country with worst Covid deaths and infection rate in the world for some time right
Expect that is completely untrue as has been shown many times yes we had lots of deaths but never the worst
Really?
Yes if you look back through the figures you will see.
I did
Good so you know we dont have the worse death rate.
We do
126,373
Oh dear death RATE not total deaths however by either measure we arent top."I’m sure the families will be comforted by such brilliant positive news! They can relax now knowing how well we’ve done . Excellent!! | |||
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" In your hypothetical world, I’d have ditched Farage years ago & allowed Britain to both influence the EU positively. In doing this we would not have had Brexit, we would have learned the lessons of Project Cygnus and we would have PPE stored in the right numbers and in date. We’d also have agreed with our EU partners to do the right thing, both across the EU to support smaller nations and locally. Wouldn’t this outcome be better than 150,000 Covid deaths... I think you give NF toomuch credit, the only influence he had was to keep showing the EU up, he had no power within the government to influence the uk in either direction and why would that have any influence over the cygnus report, according to remainers we had power to do these things anyway, why would the EU need the UK to get it to do the right thing for other nations, that single sentence has just destroyed any argument you have for saying the 27 are better together if the small nations needs to fight their corner. Have you been to the Diane Abbott maths school again where have you got the 150,000deaths from, and you accuse boris of making stuff up Farage made European Politics a challenge for the sane, so Tory’s and Labour left him to it and didn’t call him out - just look at fishing now, having Farage on their side in the EU Commission really helped... I see nothing wrong with actually reading Project Cygnus and following its recommendations - unlike the Tories... In terms of supporting smaller countries with leverage, why not? We could have influenced the EU to accept Vaccines earlier and saved many lives... Are you saying that we do not have excess deaths of 150,000? What do you think it is then? Oh dear YOU said 150,000 covid deaths now its excess deaths, glad you admit you were wrong and lied. How would we have influenced the eu to use the vaccines earlier the 27 waited until the ema approved them, as remainers keep pointing out in emergency situations countries can use some before approval so why would we have influenced the others ? cant they make their own mind up ? Oops no silly me they do as they are told. " & the Excess deaths aren’t Covid? Do you have a lot of Asian Killer Hornets round your way | |||
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So we vaccinate more than anyone
Made decisions on our own that have paid off
Are now finishing and bottling in uk no need to export
Ermmm you do realise UK was the country with worst Covid deaths and infection rate in the world for some time right
Expect that is completely untrue as has been shown many times yes we had lots of deaths but never the worst
Really?
Yes if you look back through the figures you will see.
I did
Good so you know we dont have the worse death rate.
We do
126,373
Oh dear death RATE not total deaths however by either measure we arent top.
I’m sure the families will be comforted by such brilliant positive news!
They can relax now knowing how well we’ve done . Excellent!! "Much like the "oh we arent the worst in the world..we are actually 4th' As if having the 4th worst death rate on the entire planet was something was to gloat about. | |||
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" In your hypothetical world, I’d have ditched Farage years ago & allowed Britain to both influence the EU positively. In doing this we would not have had Brexit, we would have learned the lessons of Project Cygnus and we would have PPE stored in the right numbers and in date. We’d also have agreed with our EU partners to do the right thing, both across the EU to support smaller nations and locally. Wouldn’t this outcome be better than 150,000 Covid deaths... I think you give NF toomuch credit, the only influence he had was to keep showing the EU up, he had no power within the government to influence the uk in either direction and why would that have any influence over the cygnus report, according to remainers we had power to do these things anyway, why would the EU need the UK to get it to do the right thing for other nations, that single sentence has just destroyed any argument you have for saying the 27 are better together if the small nations needs to fight their corner. Have you been to the Diane Abbott maths school again where have you got the 150,000deaths from, and you accuse boris of making stuff up Farage made European Politics a challenge for the sane, so Tory’s and Labour left him to it and didn’t call him out - just look at fishing now, having Farage on their side in the EU Commission really helped... I see nothing wrong with actually reading Project Cygnus and following its recommendations - unlike the Tories... In terms of supporting smaller countries with leverage, why not? We could have influenced the EU to accept Vaccines earlier and saved many lives... Are you saying that we do not have excess deaths of 150,000? What do you think it is then? Oh dear YOU said 150,000 covid deaths now its excess deaths, glad you admit you were wrong and lied. How would we have influenced the eu to use the vaccines earlier the 27 waited until the ema approved them, as remainers keep pointing out in emergency situations countries can use some before approval so why would we have influenced the others ? cant they make their own mind up ? Oops no silly me they do as they are told. & the Excess deaths aren’t Covid? Do you have a lot of Asian Killer Hornets round your way "You would think having such a staggering figure we would be the last country in the country to be trying to score political points? | |||
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" In your hypothetical world, I’d have ditched Farage years ago & allowed Britain to both influence the EU positively. In doing this we would not have had Brexit, we would have learned the lessons of Project Cygnus and we would have PPE stored in the right numbers and in date. We’d also have agreed with our EU partners to do the right thing, both across the EU to support smaller nations and locally. Wouldn’t this outcome be better than 150,000 Covid deaths... I think you give NF toomuch credit, the only influence he had was to keep showing the EU up, he had no power within the government to influence the uk in either direction and why would that have any influence over the cygnus report, according to remainers we had power to do these things anyway, why would the EU need the UK to get it to do the right thing for other nations, that single sentence has just destroyed any argument you have for saying the 27 are better together if the small nations needs to fight their corner. Have you been to the Diane Abbott maths school again where have you got the 150,000deaths from, and you accuse boris of making stuff up Farage made European Politics a challenge for the sane, so Tory’s and Labour left him to it and didn’t call him out - just look at fishing now, having Farage on their side in the EU Commission really helped... I see nothing wrong with actually reading Project Cygnus and following its recommendations - unlike the Tories... In terms of supporting smaller countries with leverage, why not? We could have influenced the EU to accept Vaccines earlier and saved many lives... Are you saying that we do not have excess deaths of 150,000? What do you think it is then? Oh dear YOU said 150,000 covid deaths now its excess deaths, glad you admit you were wrong and lied. How would we have influenced the eu to use the vaccines earlier the 27 waited until the ema approved them, as remainers keep pointing out in emergency situations countries can use some before approval so why would we have influenced the others ? cant they make their own mind up ? Oops no silly me they do as they are told. & the Excess deaths aren’t Covid? Do you have a lot of Asian Killer Hornets round your way "Oh dear dear, anyone with covid on their death certificate is in the 127 thousand so yet again you're wrong the rest had nothing to with the covid virus, they are from numerous other issues such as suicide, cancers that were missed or treatment delayed, etc, for the hundredth time countries count deaths in various ways so difficult to compare and also we are too fat consume to much sugar resulting in diabetes and have a far higher bame population in this country all of which are high risk factors. Of course it's far easier to blame boris | |||
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" In your hypothetical world, I’d have ditched Farage years ago & allowed Britain to both influence the EU positively. In doing this we would not have had Brexit, we would have learned the lessons of Project Cygnus and we would have PPE stored in the right numbers and in date. We’d also have agreed with our EU partners to do the right thing, both across the EU to support smaller nations and locally. Wouldn’t this outcome be better than 150,000 Covid deaths... I think you give NF toomuch credit, the only influence he had was to keep showing the EU up, he had no power within the government to influence the uk in either direction and why would that have any influence over the cygnus report, according to remainers we had power to do these things anyway, why would the EU need the UK to get it to do the right thing for other nations, that single sentence has just destroyed any argument you have for saying the 27 are better together if the small nations needs to fight their corner. Have you been to the Diane Abbott maths school again where have you got the 150,000deaths from, and you accuse boris of making stuff up Farage made European Politics a challenge for the sane, so Tory’s and Labour left him to it and didn’t call him out - just look at fishing now, having Farage on their side in the EU Commission really helped... I see nothing wrong with actually reading Project Cygnus and following its recommendations - unlike the Tories... In terms of supporting smaller countries with leverage, why not? We could have influenced the EU to accept Vaccines earlier and saved many lives... Are you saying that we do not have excess deaths of 150,000? What do you think it is then? Oh dear YOU said 150,000 covid deaths now its excess deaths, glad you admit you were wrong and lied. How would we have influenced the eu to use the vaccines earlier the 27 waited until the ema approved them, as remainers keep pointing out in emergency situations countries can use some before approval so why would we have influenced the others ? cant they make their own mind up ? Oops no silly me they do as they are told. & the Excess deaths aren’t Covid? Do you have a lot of Asian Killer Hornets round your way
Oh dear dear, anyone with covid on their death certificate is in the 127 thousand so yet again you're wrong the rest had nothing to with the covid virus, they are from numerous other issues such as suicide, cancers that were missed or treatment delayed, etc, for the hundredth time countries count deaths in various ways so difficult to compare and also we are too fat consume to much sugar resulting in diabetes and have a far higher bame population in this country all of which are high risk factors.
Of course it's far easier to blame boris "If I remember right , you were supporting the initial ‘herd immunity’ plan from last March | |||
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" In your hypothetical world, I’d have ditched Farage years ago & allowed Britain to both influence the EU positively. In doing this we would not have had Brexit, we would have learned the lessons of Project Cygnus and we would have PPE stored in the right numbers and in date. We’d also have agreed with our EU partners to do the right thing, both across the EU to support smaller nations and locally. Wouldn’t this outcome be better than 150,000 Covid deaths... I think you give NF toomuch credit, the only influence he had was to keep showing the EU up, he had no power within the government to influence the uk in either direction and why would that have any influence over the cygnus report, according to remainers we had power to do these things anyway, why would the EU need the UK to get it to do the right thing for other nations, that single sentence has just destroyed any argument you have for saying the 27 are better together if the small nations needs to fight their corner. Have you been to the Diane Abbott maths school again where have you got the 150,000deaths from, and you accuse boris of making stuff up Farage made European Politics a challenge for the sane, so Tory’s and Labour left him to it and didn’t call him out - just look at fishing now, having Farage on their side in the EU Commission really helped... I see nothing wrong with actually reading Project Cygnus and following its recommendations - unlike the Tories... In terms of supporting smaller countries with leverage, why not? We could have influenced the EU to accept Vaccines earlier and saved many lives... Are you saying that we do not have excess deaths of 150,000? What do you think it is then? Oh dear YOU said 150,000 covid deaths now its excess deaths, glad you admit you were wrong and lied. How would we have influenced the eu to use the vaccines earlier the 27 waited until the ema approved them, as remainers keep pointing out in emergency situations countries can use some before approval so why would we have influenced the others ? cant they make their own mind up ? Oops no silly me they do as they are told. & the Excess deaths aren’t Covid? Do you have a lot of Asian Killer Hornets round your way
Oh dear dear, anyone with covid on their death certificate is in the 127 thousand so yet again you're wrong the rest had nothing to with the covid virus, they are from numerous other issues such as suicide, cancers that were missed or treatment delayed, etc, for the hundredth time countries count deaths in various ways so difficult to compare and also we are too fat consume to much sugar resulting in diabetes and have a far higher bame population in this country all of which are high risk factors.
Of course it's far easier to blame boris "
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"A record breaking month at work retailing parts of which over 95% are UK made. Over 80% of sales are outside the UK, no problems. Still getting stupid questions from EU customers as it seems that 27 different postal systems haven't read their own EU regulations. All in all, pretty good so far. " So you say. Here is an alternative view, just as credible . Terrible month at work retailing parts that are 15% UK made. Over 80% of sales are in the EU , loads of problems due to extra red tape as we had hardly any notice regarding the new Brexit rules | |||
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" In your hypothetical world, I’d have ditched Farage years ago & allowed Britain to both influence the EU positively. In doing this we would not have had Brexit, we would have learned the lessons of Project Cygnus and we would have PPE stored in the right numbers and in date. We’d also have agreed with our EU partners to do the right thing, both across the EU to support smaller nations and locally. Wouldn’t this outcome be better than 150,000 Covid deaths... I think you give NF toomuch credit, the only influence he had was to keep showing the EU up, he had no power within the government to influence the uk in either direction and why would that have any influence over the cygnus report, according to remainers we had power to do these things anyway, why would the EU need the UK to get it to do the right thing for other nations, that single sentence has just destroyed any argument you have for saying the 27 are better together if the small nations needs to fight their corner. Have you been to the Diane Abbott maths school again where have you got the 150,000deaths from, and you accuse boris of making stuff up Farage made European Politics a challenge for the sane, so Tory’s and Labour left him to it and didn’t call him out - just look at fishing now, having Farage on their side in the EU Commission really helped... I see nothing wrong with actually reading Project Cygnus and following its recommendations - unlike the Tories... In terms of supporting smaller countries with leverage, why not? We could have influenced the EU to accept Vaccines earlier and saved many lives... Are you saying that we do not have excess deaths of 150,000? What do you think it is then? Oh dear YOU said 150,000 covid deaths now its excess deaths, glad you admit you were wrong and lied. How would we have influenced the eu to use the vaccines earlier the 27 waited until the ema approved them, as remainers keep pointing out in emergency situations countries can use some before approval so why would we have influenced the others ? cant they make their own mind up ? Oops no silly me they do as they are told. & the Excess deaths aren’t Covid? Do you have a lot of Asian Killer Hornets round your way
Oh dear dear, anyone with covid on their death certificate is in the 127 thousand so yet again you're wrong the rest had nothing to with the covid virus, they are from numerous other issues such as suicide, cancers that were missed or treatment delayed, etc, for the hundredth time countries count deaths in various ways so difficult to compare and also we are too fat consume to much sugar resulting in diabetes and have a far higher bame population in this country all of which are high risk factors.
Of course it's far easier to blame boris
Actually lost for words "You have to remember that these are the same people who supported Boris’s ‘herd immunity ‘ plan from last year | |||
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" In your hypothetical world, I’d have ditched Farage years ago & allowed Britain to both influence the EU positively. In doing this we would not have had Brexit, we would have learned the lessons of Project Cygnus and we would have PPE stored in the right numbers and in date. We’d also have agreed with our EU partners to do the right thing, both across the EU to support smaller nations and locally. Wouldn’t this outcome be better than 150,000 Covid deaths... I think you give NF toomuch credit, the only influence he had was to keep showing the EU up, he had no power within the government to influence the uk in either direction and why would that have any influence over the cygnus report, according to remainers we had power to do these things anyway, why would the EU need the UK to get it to do the right thing for other nations, that single sentence has just destroyed any argument you have for saying the 27 are better together if the small nations needs to fight their corner. Have you been to the Diane Abbott maths school again where have you got the 150,000deaths from, and you accuse boris of making stuff up Farage made European Politics a challenge for the sane, so Tory’s and Labour left him to it and didn’t call him out - just look at fishing now, having Farage on their side in the EU Commission really helped... I see nothing wrong with actually reading Project Cygnus and following its recommendations - unlike the Tories... In terms of supporting smaller countries with leverage, why not? We could have influenced the EU to accept Vaccines earlier and saved many lives... Are you saying that we do not have excess deaths of 150,000? What do you think it is then? Oh dear YOU said 150,000 covid deaths now its excess deaths, glad you admit you were wrong and lied. How would we have influenced the eu to use the vaccines earlier the 27 waited until the ema approved them, as remainers keep pointing out in emergency situations countries can use some before approval so why would we have influenced the others ? cant they make their own mind up ? Oops no silly me they do as they are told. & the Excess deaths aren’t Covid? Do you have a lot of Asian Killer Hornets round your way
Oh dear dear, anyone with covid on their death certificate is in the 127 thousand so yet again you're wrong the rest had nothing to with the covid virus, they are from numerous other issues such as suicide, cancers that were missed or treatment delayed, etc, for the hundredth time countries count deaths in various ways so difficult to compare and also we are too fat consume to much sugar resulting in diabetes and have a far higher bame population in this country all of which are high risk factors.
Of course it's far easier to blame boris
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You have to remember that these are the same people who supported Boris’s ‘herd immunity ‘ plan from last year "It actually defies belief. | |||
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"A record breaking month at work retailing parts of which over 95% are UK made. Over 80% of sales are outside the UK, no problems. Still getting stupid questions from EU customers as it seems that 27 different postal systems haven't read their own EU regulations. All in all, pretty good so far. " Good news. | |||
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" In your hypothetical world, I’d have ditched Farage years ago & allowed Britain to both influence the EU positively. In doing this we would not have had Brexit, we would have learned the lessons of Project Cygnus and we would have PPE stored in the right numbers and in date. We’d also have agreed with our EU partners to do the right thing, both across the EU to support smaller nations and locally. Wouldn’t this outcome be better than 150,000 Covid deaths... I think you give NF toomuch credit, the only influence he had was to keep showing the EU up, he had no power within the government to influence the uk in either direction and why would that have any influence over the cygnus report, according to remainers we had power to do these things anyway, why would the EU need the UK to get it to do the right thing for other nations, that single sentence has just destroyed any argument you have for saying the 27 are better together if the small nations needs to fight their corner. Have you been to the Diane Abbott maths school again where have you got the 150,000deaths from, and you accuse boris of making stuff up Farage made European Politics a challenge for the sane, so Tory’s and Labour left him to it and didn’t call him out - just look at fishing now, having Farage on their side in the EU Commission really helped... I see nothing wrong with actually reading Project Cygnus and following its recommendations - unlike the Tories... In terms of supporting smaller countries with leverage, why not? We could have influenced the EU to accept Vaccines earlier and saved many lives... Are you saying that we do not have excess deaths of 150,000? What do you think it is then? Oh dear YOU said 150,000 covid deaths now its excess deaths, glad you admit you were wrong and lied. How would we have influenced the eu to use the vaccines earlier the 27 waited until the ema approved them, as remainers keep pointing out in emergency situations countries can use some before approval so why would we have influenced the others ? cant they make their own mind up ? Oops no silly me they do as they are told. & the Excess deaths aren’t Covid? Do you have a lot of Asian Killer Hornets round your way
Oh dear dear, anyone with covid on their death certificate is in the 127 thousand so yet again you're wrong the rest had nothing to with the covid virus, they are from numerous other issues such as suicide, cancers that were missed or treatment delayed, etc, for the hundredth time countries count deaths in various ways so difficult to compare and also we are too fat consume to much sugar resulting in diabetes and have a far higher bame population in this country all of which are high risk factors.
Of course it's far easier to blame boris
If I remember right , you were supporting the initial ‘herd immunity’ plan from last March "Herd immunity is what has enabled every species to survive diseases, covid is no different a combination of infection and vaccination is moving us to that point, if you understood a single thing about disease you would understand. | |||
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" In your hypothetical world, I’d have ditched Farage years ago & allowed Britain to both influence the EU positively. In doing this we would not have had Brexit, we would have learned the lessons of Project Cygnus and we would have PPE stored in the right numbers and in date. We’d also have agreed with our EU partners to do the right thing, both across the EU to support smaller nations and locally. Wouldn’t this outcome be better than 150,000 Covid deaths... I think you give NF toomuch credit, the only influence he had was to keep showing the EU up, he had no power within the government to influence the uk in either direction and why would that have any influence over the cygnus report, according to remainers we had power to do these things anyway, why would the EU need the UK to get it to do the right thing for other nations, that single sentence has just destroyed any argument you have for saying the 27 are better together if the small nations needs to fight their corner. Have you been to the Diane Abbott maths school again where have you got the 150,000deaths from, and you accuse boris of making stuff up Farage made European Politics a challenge for the sane, so Tory’s and Labour left him to it and didn’t call him out - just look at fishing now, having Farage on their side in the EU Commission really helped... I see nothing wrong with actually reading Project Cygnus and following its recommendations - unlike the Tories... In terms of supporting smaller countries with leverage, why not? We could have influenced the EU to accept Vaccines earlier and saved many lives... Are you saying that we do not have excess deaths of 150,000? What do you think it is then? Oh dear YOU said 150,000 covid deaths now its excess deaths, glad you admit you were wrong and lied. How would we have influenced the eu to use the vaccines earlier the 27 waited until the ema approved them, as remainers keep pointing out in emergency situations countries can use some before approval so why would we have influenced the others ? cant they make their own mind up ? Oops no silly me they do as they are told. & the Excess deaths aren’t Covid? Do you have a lot of Asian Killer Hornets round your way
Oh dear dear, anyone with covid on their death certificate is in the 127 thousand so yet again you're wrong the rest had nothing to with the covid virus, they are from numerous other issues such as suicide, cancers that were missed or treatment delayed, etc, for the hundredth time countries count deaths in various ways so difficult to compare and also we are too fat consume to much sugar resulting in diabetes and have a far higher bame population in this country all of which are high risk factors.
Of course it's far easier to blame boris
If I remember right , you were supporting the initial ‘herd immunity’ plan from last March
Herd immunity is what has enabled every species to survive diseases, covid is no different a combination of infection and vaccination is moving us to that point, if you understood a single thing about disease you would understand.
"You also stated that we needed 70-80 % of the country to be infected by last winter , and lockdowns are unnecessary, how are those prediction going? | |||
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" In your hypothetical world, I’d have ditched Farage years ago & allowed Britain to both influence the EU positively. In doing this we would not have had Brexit, we would have learned the lessons of Project Cygnus and we would have PPE stored in the right numbers and in date. We’d also have agreed with our EU partners to do the right thing, both across the EU to support smaller nations and locally. Wouldn’t this outcome be better than 150,000 Covid deaths... I think you give NF toomuch credit, the only influence he had was to keep showing the EU up, he had no power within the government to influence the uk in either direction and why would that have any influence over the cygnus report, according to remainers we had power to do these things anyway, why would the EU need the UK to get it to do the right thing for other nations, that single sentence has just destroyed any argument you have for saying the 27 are better together if the small nations needs to fight their corner. Have you been to the Diane Abbott maths school again where have you got the 150,000deaths from, and you accuse boris of making stuff up " Dont you remember last year when the government used to have the daily press releases & boris stood in front of the board with italy spain & france above britain in Covid deaths . When it went to the uk being top & over 50,00? deaths due to covid they didnt like questions from laura & peston etc . Then Boris & Co decided to only count those who had tested positive within 28 days & 10,000 deaths miraculously dissapered . The UK was still top but with only 41,000 deaths . The boards dissapeared when we were hitting a 1000 deaths a day for a whole week , theyve not been back since . | |||
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" In your hypothetical world, I’d have ditched Farage years ago & allowed Britain to both influence the EU positively. In doing this we would not have had Brexit, we would have learned the lessons of Project Cygnus and we would have PPE stored in the right numbers and in date. We’d also have agreed with our EU partners to do the right thing, both across the EU to support smaller nations and locally. Wouldn’t this outcome be better than 150,000 Covid deaths... I think you give NF toomuch credit, the only influence he had was to keep showing the EU up, he had no power within the government to influence the uk in either direction and why would that have any influence over the cygnus report, according to remainers we had power to do these things anyway, why would the EU need the UK to get it to do the right thing for other nations, that single sentence has just destroyed any argument you have for saying the 27 are better together if the small nations needs to fight their corner. Have you been to the Diane Abbott maths school again where have you got the 150,000deaths from, and you accuse boris of making stuff up Farage made European Politics a challenge for the sane, so Tory’s and Labour left him to it and didn’t call him out - just look at fishing now, having Farage on their side in the EU Commission really helped... I see nothing wrong with actually reading Project Cygnus and following its recommendations - unlike the Tories... In terms of supporting smaller countries with leverage, why not? We could have influenced the EU to accept Vaccines earlier and saved many lives... Are you saying that we do not have excess deaths of 150,000? What do you think it is then? Oh dear YOU said 150,000 covid deaths now its excess deaths, glad you admit you were wrong and lied. How would we have influenced the eu to use the vaccines earlier the 27 waited until the ema approved them, as remainers keep pointing out in emergency situations countries can use some before approval so why would we have influenced the others ? cant they make their own mind up ? Oops no silly me they do as they are told. & the Excess deaths aren’t Covid? Do you have a lot of Asian Killer Hornets round your way
Oh dear dear, anyone with covid on their death certificate is in the 127 thousand so yet again you're wrong the rest had nothing to with the covid virus, they are from numerous other issues such as suicide, cancers that were missed or treatment delayed, etc, for the hundredth time countries count deaths in various ways so difficult to compare and also we are too fat consume to much sugar resulting in diabetes and have a far higher bame population in this country all of which are high risk factors.
Of course it's far easier to blame boris
If I remember right , you were supporting the initial ‘herd immunity’ plan from last March
Herd immunity is what has enabled every species to survive diseases, covid is no different a combination of infection and vaccination is moving us to that point, if you understood a single thing about disease you would understand.
You also stated that we needed 70-80 % of the country to be infected by last winter , and lockdowns are unnecessary, how are those prediction going? " | |||
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" In your hypothetical world, I’d have ditched Farage years ago & allowed Britain to both influence the EU positively. In doing this we would not have had Brexit, we would have learned the lessons of Project Cygnus and we would have PPE stored in the right numbers and in date. We’d also have agreed with our EU partners to do the right thing, both across the EU to support smaller nations and locally. Wouldn’t this outcome be better than 150,000 Covid deaths... I think you give NF toomuch credit, the only influence he had was to keep showing the EU up, he had no power within the government to influence the uk in either direction and why would that have any influence over the cygnus report, according to remainers we had power to do these things anyway, why would the EU need the UK to get it to do the right thing for other nations, that single sentence has just destroyed any argument you have for saying the 27 are better together if the small nations needs to fight their corner. Have you been to the Diane Abbott maths school again where have you got the 150,000deaths from, and you accuse boris of making stuff up Farage made European Politics a challenge for the sane, so Tory’s and Labour left him to it and didn’t call him out - just look at fishing now, having Farage on their side in the EU Commission really helped... I see nothing wrong with actually reading Project Cygnus and following its recommendations - unlike the Tories... In terms of supporting smaller countries with leverage, why not? We could have influenced the EU to accept Vaccines earlier and saved many lives... Are you saying that we do not have excess deaths of 150,000? What do you think it is then? Oh dear YOU said 150,000 covid deaths now its excess deaths, glad you admit you were wrong and lied. How would we have influenced the eu to use the vaccines earlier the 27 waited until the ema approved them, as remainers keep pointing out in emergency situations countries can use some before approval so why would we have influenced the others ? cant they make their own mind up ? Oops no silly me they do as they are told. & the Excess deaths aren’t Covid? Do you have a lot of Asian Killer Hornets round your way
Oh dear dear, anyone with covid on their death certificate is in the 127 thousand so yet again you're wrong the rest had nothing to with the covid virus, they are from numerous other issues such as suicide, cancers that were missed or treatment delayed, etc, for the hundredth time countries count deaths in various ways so difficult to compare and also we are too fat consume to much sugar resulting in diabetes and have a far higher bame population in this country all of which are high risk factors.
Of course it's far easier to blame boris
If I remember right , you were supporting the initial ‘herd immunity’ plan from last March
Herd immunity is what has enabled every species to survive diseases, covid is no different a combination of infection and vaccination is moving us to that point, if you understood a single thing about disease you would understand.
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" In your hypothetical world, I’d have ditched Farage years ago & allowed Britain to both influence the EU positively. In doing this we would not have had Brexit, we would have learned the lessons of Project Cygnus and we would have PPE stored in the right numbers and in date. We’d also have agreed with our EU partners to do the right thing, both across the EU to support smaller nations and locally. Wouldn’t this outcome be better than 150,000 Covid deaths... I think you give NF toomuch credit, the only influence he had was to keep showing the EU up, he had no power within the government to influence the uk in either direction and why would that have any influence over the cygnus report, according to remainers we had power to do these things anyway, why would the EU need the UK to get it to do the right thing for other nations, that single sentence has just destroyed any argument you have for saying the 27 are better together if the small nations needs to fight their corner. Have you been to the Diane Abbott maths school again where have you got the 150,000deaths from, and you accuse boris of making stuff up Farage made European Politics a challenge for the sane, so Tory’s and Labour left him to it and didn’t call him out - just look at fishing now, having Farage on their side in the EU Commission really helped... I see nothing wrong with actually reading Project Cygnus and following its recommendations - unlike the Tories... In terms of supporting smaller countries with leverage, why not? We could have influenced the EU to accept Vaccines earlier and saved many lives... Are you saying that we do not have excess deaths of 150,000? What do you think it is then? Oh dear YOU said 150,000 covid deaths now its excess deaths, glad you admit you were wrong and lied. How would we have influenced the eu to use the vaccines earlier the 27 waited until the ema approved them, as remainers keep pointing out in emergency situations countries can use some before approval so why would we have influenced the others ? cant they make their own mind up ? Oops no silly me they do as they are told. & the Excess deaths aren’t Covid? Do you have a lot of Asian Killer Hornets round your way
Oh dear dear, anyone with covid on their death certificate is in the 127 thousand so yet again you're wrong the rest had nothing to with the covid virus, they are from numerous other issues such as suicide, cancers that were missed or treatment delayed, etc, for the hundredth time countries count deaths in various ways so difficult to compare and also we are too fat consume to much sugar resulting in diabetes and have a far higher bame population in this country all of which are high risk factors.
Of course it's far easier to blame boris
If I remember right , you were supporting the initial ‘herd immunity’ plan from last March
Herd immunity is what has enabled every species to survive diseases, covid is no different a combination of infection and vaccination is moving us to that point, if you understood a single thing about disease you would understand.
You also stated that we needed 70-80 % of the country to be infected by last winter , and lockdowns are unnecessary, how are those prediction going? "Find the post where I said either of those things, lockdowns are only designed to slow infections to allow health services to cope,they achieved that | |||
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" In your hypothetical world, I’d have ditched Farage years ago & allowed Britain to both influence the EU positively. In doing this we would not have had Brexit, we would have learned the lessons of Project Cygnus and we would have PPE stored in the right numbers and in date. We’d also have agreed with our EU partners to do the right thing, both across the EU to support smaller nations and locally. Wouldn’t this outcome be better than 150,000 Covid deaths... I think you give NF toomuch credit, the only influence he had was to keep showing the EU up, he had no power within the government to influence the uk in either direction and why would that have any influence over the cygnus report, according to remainers we had power to do these things anyway, why would the EU need the UK to get it to do the right thing for other nations, that single sentence has just destroyed any argument you have for saying the 27 are better together if the small nations needs to fight their corner. Have you been to the Diane Abbott maths school again where have you got the 150,000deaths from, and you accuse boris of making stuff up Dont you remember last year when the government used to have the daily press releases & boris stood in front of the board with italy spain & france above britain in Covid deaths . When it went to the uk being top & over 50,00? deaths due to covid they didnt like questions from laura & peston etc . Then Boris & Co decided to only count those who had tested positive within 28 days & 10,000 deaths miraculously dissapered . The UK was still top but with only 41,000 deaths . The boards dissapeared when we were hitting a 1000 deaths a day for a whole week , theyve not been back since . " They all seem to have developed collective amnesia over that for some reason. As when you ask then why the gmnt did that, they have no answer. | |||
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" In your hypothetical world, I’d have ditched Farage years ago & allowed Britain to both influence the EU positively. In doing this we would not have had Brexit, we would have learned the lessons of Project Cygnus and we would have PPE stored in the right numbers and in date. We’d also have agreed with our EU partners to do the right thing, both across the EU to support smaller nations and locally. Wouldn’t this outcome be better than 150,000 Covid deaths... I think you give NF toomuch credit, the only influence he had was to keep showing the EU up, he had no power within the government to influence the uk in either direction and why would that have any influence over the cygnus report, according to remainers we had power to do these things anyway, why would the EU need the UK to get it to do the right thing for other nations, that single sentence has just destroyed any argument you have for saying the 27 are better together if the small nations needs to fight their corner. Have you been to the Diane Abbott maths school again where have you got the 150,000deaths from, and you accuse boris of making stuff up Dont you remember last year when the government used to have the daily press releases & boris stood in front of the board with italy spain & france above britain in Covid deaths . When it went to the uk being top & over 50,00? deaths due to covid they didnt like questions from laura & peston etc . Then Boris & Co decided to only count those who had tested positive within 28 days & 10,000 deaths miraculously dissapered . The UK was still top but with only 41,000 deaths . The boards dissapeared when we were hitting a 1000 deaths a day for a whole week , theyve not been back since . They all seem to have developed collective amnesia over that for some reason. As when you ask then why the gmnt did that, they have no answer. " It seems people are still making numbers and stories up to push their agenda. Actually figure is 5,377 not 10,000. Reason was: Ministers were forced to urgently review the methodology for reporting deaths in the UK after experts from the Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine exposed a flaw in Public Health England’s work, which recorded any death in a person who had previously tested positive for the virus in the daily total, regardless of how long after the test they had died. So the PM or the government were not the ones who came up with the idea. Try not posting so much fake news! | |||
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" In your hypothetical world, I’d have ditched Farage years ago & allowed Britain to both influence the EU positively. In doing this we would not have had Brexit, we would have learned the lessons of Project Cygnus and we would have PPE stored in the right numbers and in date. We’d also have agreed with our EU partners to do the right thing, both across the EU to support smaller nations and locally. Wouldn’t this outcome be better than 150,000 Covid deaths... I think you give NF toomuch credit, the only influence he had was to keep showing the EU up, he had no power within the government to influence the uk in either direction and why would that have any influence over the cygnus report, according to remainers we had power to do these things anyway, why would the EU need the UK to get it to do the right thing for other nations, that single sentence has just destroyed any argument you have for saying the 27 are better together if the small nations needs to fight their corner. Have you been to the Diane Abbott maths school again where have you got the 150,000deaths from, and you accuse boris of making stuff up Dont you remember last year when the government used to have the daily press releases & boris stood in front of the board with italy spain & france above britain in Covid deaths . When it went to the uk being top & over 50,00? deaths due to covid they didnt like questions from laura & peston etc . Then Boris & Co decided to only count those who had tested positive within 28 days & 10,000 deaths miraculously dissapered . The UK was still top but with only 41,000 deaths . The boards dissapeared when we were hitting a 1000 deaths a day for a whole week , theyve not been back since . They all seem to have developed collective amnesia over that for some reason. As when you ask then why the gmnt did that, they have no answer. It seems people are still making numbers and stories up to push their agenda. Actually figure is 5,377 not 10,000. Reason was: Ministers were forced to urgently review the methodology for reporting deaths in the UK after experts from the Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine exposed a flaw in Public Health England’s work, which recorded any death in a person who had previously tested positive for the virus in the daily total, regardless of how long after the test they had died. So the PM or the government were not the ones who came up with the idea. Try not posting so much fake news!" He cant help himself | |||
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" In your hypothetical world, I’d have ditched Farage years ago & allowed Britain to both influence the EU positively. In doing this we would not have had Brexit, we would have learned the lessons of Project Cygnus and we would have PPE stored in the right numbers and in date. We’d also have agreed with our EU partners to do the right thing, both across the EU to support smaller nations and locally. Wouldn’t this outcome be better than 150,000 Covid deaths... I think you give NF toomuch credit, the only influence he had was to keep showing the EU up, he had no power within the government to influence the uk in either direction and why would that have any influence over the cygnus report, according to remainers we had power to do these things anyway, why would the EU need the UK to get it to do the right thing for other nations, that single sentence has just destroyed any argument you have for saying the 27 are better together if the small nations needs to fight their corner. Have you been to the Diane Abbott maths school again where have you got the 150,000deaths from, and you accuse boris of making stuff up Dont you remember last year when the government used to have the daily press releases & boris stood in front of the board with italy spain & france above britain in Covid deaths . When it went to the uk being top & over 50,00? deaths due to covid they didnt like questions from laura & peston etc . Then Boris & Co decided to only count those who had tested positive within 28 days & 10,000 deaths miraculously dissapered . The UK was still top but with only 41,000 deaths . The boards dissapeared when we were hitting a 1000 deaths a day for a whole week , theyve not been back since . They all seem to have developed collective amnesia over that for some reason. As when you ask then why the gmnt did that, they have no answer. It seems people are still making numbers and stories up to push their agenda. Actually figure is 5,377 not 10,000. Reason was: Ministers were forced to urgently review the methodology for reporting deaths in the UK after experts from the Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine exposed a flaw in Public Health England’s work, which recorded any death in a person who had previously tested positive for the virus in the daily total, regardless of how long after the test they had died. So the PM or the government were not the ones who came up with the idea. Try not posting so much fake news!" That makes no sense. If there was an issue with the methodology they would stop releasing the figures completely. And that doesn't explain why they stopped comparing us with other countries at exatcly the same time as we started to exceed the rest of europe. | |||
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" In your hypothetical world, I’d have ditched Farage years ago & allowed Britain to both influence the EU positively. In doing this we would not have had Brexit, we would have learned the lessons of Project Cygnus and we would have PPE stored in the right numbers and in date. We’d also have agreed with our EU partners to do the right thing, both across the EU to support smaller nations and locally. Wouldn’t this outcome be better than 150,000 Covid deaths... I think you give NF toomuch credit, the only influence he had was to keep showing the EU up, he had no power within the government to influence the uk in either direction and why would that have any influence over the cygnus report, according to remainers we had power to do these things anyway, why would the EU need the UK to get it to do the right thing for other nations, that single sentence has just destroyed any argument you have for saying the 27 are better together if the small nations needs to fight their corner. Have you been to the Diane Abbott maths school again where have you got the 150,000deaths from, and you accuse boris of making stuff up Farage made European Politics a challenge for the sane, so Tory’s and Labour left him to it and didn’t call him out - just look at fishing now, having Farage on their side in the EU Commission really helped... I see nothing wrong with actually reading Project Cygnus and following its recommendations - unlike the Tories... In terms of supporting smaller countries with leverage, why not? We could have influenced the EU to accept Vaccines earlier and saved many lives... Are you saying that we do not have excess deaths of 150,000? What do you think it is then? Oh dear YOU said 150,000 covid deaths now its excess deaths, glad you admit you were wrong and lied. How would we have influenced the eu to use the vaccines earlier the 27 waited until the ema approved them, as remainers keep pointing out in emergency situations countries can use some before approval so why would we have influenced the others ? cant they make their own mind up ? Oops no silly me they do as they are told. & the Excess deaths aren’t Covid? Do you have a lot of Asian Killer Hornets round your way
Oh dear dear, anyone with covid on their death certificate is in the 127 thousand so yet again you're wrong the rest had nothing to with the covid virus, they are from numerous other issues such as suicide, cancers that were missed or treatment delayed, etc, for the hundredth time countries count deaths in various ways so difficult to compare and also we are too fat consume to much sugar resulting in diabetes and have a far higher bame population in this country all of which are high risk factors.
Of course it's far easier to blame boris "Why wouldn’t you blame Boris? 127,000 ‘official’ deaths is still obscene! The fact that his cock ups have also led (to use your example) to 23,000 further Excesscdeaths from “ suicide, cancers that were missed or treatment delayed, etc” iscequally obscene. Excess means greater than the 5 year ‘normal’ average. It means that an event of some manitude has caused this to happen. Other than Covid, what ‘event’ has caused these desths? Cheltenham Gold Cup maybe | |||
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" In your hypothetical world, I’d have ditched Farage years ago & allowed Britain to both influence the EU positively. In doing this we would not have had Brexit, we would have learned the lessons of Project Cygnus and we would have PPE stored in the right numbers and in date. We’d also have agreed with our EU partners to do the right thing, both across the EU to support smaller nations and locally. Wouldn’t this outcome be better than 150,000 Covid deaths... I think you give NF toomuch credit, the only influence he had was to keep showing the EU up, he had no power within the government to influence the uk in either direction and why would that have any influence over the cygnus report, according to remainers we had power to do these things anyway, why would the EU need the UK to get it to do the right thing for other nations, that single sentence has just destroyed any argument you have for saying the 27 are better together if the small nations needs to fight their corner. Have you been to the Diane Abbott maths school again where have you got the 150,000deaths from, and you accuse boris of making stuff up Dont you remember last year when the government used to have the daily press releases & boris stood in front of the board with italy spain & france above britain in Covid deaths . When it went to the uk being top & over 50,00? deaths due to covid they didnt like questions from laura & peston etc . Then Boris & Co decided to only count those who had tested positive within 28 days & 10,000 deaths miraculously dissapered . The UK was still top but with only 41,000 deaths . The boards dissapeared when we were hitting a 1000 deaths a day for a whole week , theyve not been back since . They all seem to have developed collective amnesia over that for some reason. As when you ask then why the gmnt did that, they have no answer. It seems people are still making numbers and stories up to push their agenda. Actually figure is 5,377 not 10,000. Reason was: Ministers were forced to urgently review the methodology for reporting deaths in the UK after experts from the Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine exposed a flaw in Public Health England’s work, which recorded any death in a person who had previously tested positive for the virus in the daily total, regardless of how long after the test they had died. So the PM or the government were not the ones who came up with the idea. Try not posting so much fake news! That makes no sense. If there was an issue with the methodology they would stop releasing the figures completely. And that doesn't explain why they stopped comparing us with other countries at exatcly the same time as we started to exceed the rest of europe." Maybe its because as they explained at the time they realized it was impossible to compare as countries report deaths in different ways and it wasnt possible to make like for like comparisons i know you love a good conspiracy theory against the government but it could be they once they found out how different countries counted theirs they didnt want to put out fake news. | |||
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" In your hypothetical world, I’d have ditched Farage years ago & allowed Britain to both influence the EU positively. In doing this we would not have had Brexit, we would have learned the lessons of Project Cygnus and we would have PPE stored in the right numbers and in date. We’d also have agreed with our EU partners to do the right thing, both across the EU to support smaller nations and locally. Wouldn’t this outcome be better than 150,000 Covid deaths... I think you give NF toomuch credit, the only influence he had was to keep showing the EU up, he had no power within the government to influence the uk in either direction and why would that have any influence over the cygnus report, according to remainers we had power to do these things anyway, why would the EU need the UK to get it to do the right thing for other nations, that single sentence has just destroyed any argument you have for saying the 27 are better together if the small nations needs to fight their corner. Have you been to the Diane Abbott maths school again where have you got the 150,000deaths from, and you accuse boris of making stuff up Farage made European Politics a challenge for the sane, so Tory’s and Labour left him to it and didn’t call him out - just look at fishing now, having Farage on their side in the EU Commission really helped... I see nothing wrong with actually reading Project Cygnus and following its recommendations - unlike the Tories... In terms of supporting smaller countries with leverage, why not? We could have influenced the EU to accept Vaccines earlier and saved many lives... Are you saying that we do not have excess deaths of 150,000? What do you think it is then? Oh dear YOU said 150,000 covid deaths now its excess deaths, glad you admit you were wrong and lied. How would we have influenced the eu to use the vaccines earlier the 27 waited until the ema approved them, as remainers keep pointing out in emergency situations countries can use some before approval so why would we have influenced the others ? cant they make their own mind up ? Oops no silly me they do as they are told. & the Excess deaths aren’t Covid? Do you have a lot of Asian Killer Hornets round your way
Oh dear dear, anyone with covid on their death certificate is in the 127 thousand so yet again you're wrong the rest had nothing to with the covid virus, they are from numerous other issues such as suicide, cancers that were missed or treatment delayed, etc, for the hundredth time countries count deaths in various ways so difficult to compare and also we are too fat consume to much sugar resulting in diabetes and have a far higher bame population in this country all of which are high risk factors.
Of course it's far easier to blame boris
Why wouldn’t you blame Boris? 127,000 ‘official’ deaths is still obscene! The fact that his cock ups have also led (to use your example) to 23,000 further Excesscdeaths from “ suicide, cancers that were missed or treatment delayed, etc” iscequally obscene.
Excess means greater than the 5 year ‘normal’ average. It means that an event of some manitude has caused this to happen. Other than Covid, what ‘event’ has caused these desths? Cheltenham Gold Cup maybe "Tbf it's quite entertaining watching them tie themselves in knots trying to absolve the bumbling idiot of any blame. | |||
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The gmnt dont want to put out fake news
Boris johnson ,the man who has been sacked twice,lied to parliament,a prime minister who lies that much that much the bbc have to fact his speeches..something that has never happened before,a man caught up in that many scandals we have lost count..
Doesnt want to put out fake news
I believe we have a winner
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The gmnt dont want to put out fake news
Boris johnson ,the man who has been sacked twice,lied to parliament,a prime minister who lies that much that much the bbc have to fact his speeches..something that has never happened before,a man caught up in that many scandals we have lost count..
Doesnt want to put out fake news
I believe we have a winner
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The gmnt dont want to put out fake news
Boris johnson ,the man who has been sacked twice,lied to parliament,a prime minister who lies that much that much the bbc have to fact his speeches..something that has never happened before,a man caught up in that many scandals we have lost count..
Doesnt want to put out fake news
I believe we have a winner
"You carry on believing what those voices in your head keep telling you and ignore the people who know. Ian Diamond, UK national statistician for the ONS, said earlier this month: “Making international comparisons is an unbelievably difficult thing to do.” Yvonne Doyle, director of health protection at Public Health England, has also previously said “countries measure in very different ways”. Chief medical officer Chris Whitty also said at a previous press conference said international comparisons should be treated with “extreme caution”. But of course you know better than these people. | |||
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"I wonder if they still have that website up the lies johnson comes out with,although tbf they probably havent got the manpower to keep track. Things that actually happened..ie boris being sacked,lying to parliament..apparently now didnt happen. Tories. Gotta love em " Mmhm | |||
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"In all fairness there should be some sort of award for such blind unthinking loyalty. I man who literally lies and breaks promises on an almost daily basis is worried about putting out fake news. Crying here.
"Agreed. If it weren't so destructive and terrifying it'd be admirable. I guess. | |||
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