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"Or so it went. Remainers said “oh no they don’t” Brexiters said “oh yes they do” So who was right? Well, on Brexit day the EU dutifully applied the appropriate non-tariff barriers to imports from the U.K. and thereby on the face of it exposed themselves to ‘massive’ losses of U.K. imports. The U.K. meanwhile have put off applying and Policing import barriers for fear of the U.K. running out of food. Looks like we actually do need them more than they need us in this instance. Are there any more ridiculous Brexit slogans that are already being proven to be more than a little bit bollocks?" "There will be no downside to Brexit, only a considerable upside." - David Davis | |||
"Or so it went. Remainers said “oh no they don’t” Brexiters said “oh yes they do” So who was right? Well, on Brexit day the EU dutifully applied the appropriate non-tariff barriers to imports from the U.K. and thereby on the face of it exposed themselves to ‘massive’ losses of U.K. imports. The U.K. meanwhile have put off applying and Policing import barriers for fear of the U.K. running out of food. Looks like we actually do need them more than they need us in this instance. Are there any more ridiculous Brexit slogans that are already being proven to be more than a little bit bollocks?" I can think of a remain bollocks saying it was flights would be grounded or wait that’s right it was you who said it lol | |||
"Or so it went. Remainers said “oh no they don’t” Brexiters said “oh yes they do” So who was right? Well, on Brexit day the EU dutifully applied the appropriate non-tariff barriers to imports from the U.K. and thereby on the face of it exposed themselves to ‘massive’ losses of U.K. imports. The U.K. meanwhile have put off applying and Policing import barriers for fear of the U.K. running out of food. Looks like we actually do need them more than they need us in this instance. Are there any more ridiculous Brexit slogans that are already being proven to be more than a little bit bollocks? I can think of a remain bollocks saying it was flights would be grounded or wait that’s right it was you who said it lol" Hi Foxy With a no deal they probably would have been. Getting a rough agreement saved the day of destruction. Our protections as customers under eu directive 261 have disappeared to be replaced by good intentions agreement hmm yes right. EasyJet is now EU based and controlled due to certain cabotage and operating restrictions. Not seen any positives yet. | |||
"Or so it went. Remainers said “oh no they don’t” Brexiters said “oh yes they do” So who was right? Well, on Brexit day the EU dutifully applied the appropriate non-tariff barriers to imports from the U.K. and thereby on the face of it exposed themselves to ‘massive’ losses of U.K. imports. The U.K. meanwhile have put off applying and Policing import barriers for fear of the U.K. running out of food. Looks like we actually do need them more than they need us in this instance. Are there any more ridiculous Brexit slogans that are already being proven to be more than a little bit bollocks? I can think of a remain bollocks saying it was flights would be grounded or wait that’s right it was you who said it lol" Under a “no deal” Brexit - that is exactly what would have happened. Your argument reminds of the people who are still ridiculing the Millennium Bug and ignoring that millions of man hours went into making sure it didn’t have the impact that it would have done with no interventions. U.K. aviation would have been fucked without a sectoral deal - that is why one was agreed. | |||
"Or so it went. Remainers said “oh no they don’t” Brexiters said “oh yes they do” So who was right? Well, on Brexit day the EU dutifully applied the appropriate non-tariff barriers to imports from the U.K. and thereby on the face of it exposed themselves to ‘massive’ losses of U.K. imports. The U.K. meanwhile have put off applying and Policing import barriers for fear of the U.K. running out of food. Looks like we actually do need them more than they need us in this instance. Are there any more ridiculous Brexit slogans that are already being proven to be more than a little bit bollocks? I can think of a remain bollocks saying it was flights would be grounded or wait that’s right it was you who said it lol Hi Foxy With a no deal they probably would have been. Getting a rough agreement saved the day of destruction. Our protections as customers under eu directive 261 have disappeared to be replaced by good intentions agreement hmm yes right. EasyJet is now EU based and controlled due to certain cabotage and operating restrictions. Not seen any positives yet. " if we had medicine and food shortages we would of had troops on the streets another remained saying but guess what it never happened this is just another brexit moan thread same shit different day | |||
"Or so it went. Remainers said “oh no they don’t” Brexiters said “oh yes they do” So who was right? Well, on Brexit day the EU dutifully applied the appropriate non-tariff barriers to imports from the U.K. and thereby on the face of it exposed themselves to ‘massive’ losses of U.K. imports. The U.K. meanwhile have put off applying and Policing import barriers for fear of the U.K. running out of food. Looks like we actually do need them more than they need us in this instance. Are there any more ridiculous Brexit slogans that are already being proven to be more than a little bit bollocks? I can think of a remain bollocks saying it was flights would be grounded or wait that’s right it was you who said it lol Under a “no deal” Brexit - that is exactly what would have happened. Your argument reminds of the people who are still ridiculing the Millennium Bug and ignoring that millions of man hours went into making sure it didn’t have the impact that it would have done with no interventions. U.K. aviation would have been fucked without a sectoral deal - that is why one was agreed." but a deal isn’t what you predicted tho you predicted flights grounded there was bullshit spouted on both sides | |||
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"Or so it went. Remainers said “oh no they don’t” Brexiters said “oh yes they do” So who was right? Well, on Brexit day the EU dutifully applied the appropriate non-tariff barriers to imports from the U.K. and thereby on the face of it exposed themselves to ‘massive’ losses of U.K. imports. The U.K. meanwhile have put off applying and Policing import barriers for fear of the U.K. running out of food. Looks like we actually do need them more than they need us in this instance. Are there any more ridiculous Brexit slogans that are already being proven to be more than a little bit bollocks? I can think of a remain bollocks saying it was flights would be grounded or wait that’s right it was you who said it lol Under a “no deal” Brexit - that is exactly what would have happened. Your argument reminds of the people who are still ridiculing the Millennium Bug and ignoring that millions of man hours went into making sure it didn’t have the impact that it would have done with no interventions. U.K. aviation would have been fucked without a sectoral deal - that is why one was agreed.but a deal isn’t what you predicted tho you predicted flights grounded there was bullshit spouted on both sides " Absolutely the opposite. Selective Brexit thinking. Why on earth would you think that I would want or expect a no deal Brexit when I know for a fact that Brexit in any form was shit and do a no deal Brexit would be shit coated with shit. Would I have been surprised with a no deal Brexit? No. Nothing that Boris Johnson would dream up would surprise me. | |||
"well there still could be a no deal the eu parliament has not done their masters bidding yet and ratified it. But we all know they will as they are only there to keep the citizens convinced they have a say in who rules when in reality they have no say whatsoever. " The purpose of this statement is simply to massage your own past decision making. It has nothing whatsoever to do with Brexit slogans that have not quite come to pass. | |||
"Or so it went. Remainers said “oh no they don’t” Brexiters said “oh yes they do” So who was right? Well, on Brexit day the EU dutifully applied the appropriate non-tariff barriers to imports from the U.K. and thereby on the face of it exposed themselves to ‘massive’ losses of U.K. imports. The U.K. meanwhile have put off applying and Policing import barriers for fear of the U.K. running out of food. Looks like we actually do need them more than they need us in this instance. Are there any more ridiculous Brexit slogans that are already being proven to be more than a little bit bollocks? I can think of a remain bollocks saying it was flights would be grounded or wait that’s right it was you who said it lol Hi Foxy With a no deal they probably would have been. Getting a rough agreement saved the day of destruction. Our protections as customers under eu directive 261 have disappeared to be replaced by good intentions agreement hmm yes right. EasyJet is now EU based and controlled due to certain cabotage and operating restrictions. Not seen any positives yet. if we had medicine and food shortages we would of had troops on the streets another remained saying but guess what it never happened this is just another brexit moan thread same shit different day " I’ll take your word for it but didn’t get involved in any dramatic stuff. I’m just counting the cost downside in a daily basis another major haulier raised their prices due to Brexit congestion which a has resulted in added costs for them. It will filter to the shops at some point. But we’ve got control of our borders ... oh wait | |||
"Or so it went. Remainers said “oh no they don’t” Brexiters said “oh yes they do” So who was right? Well, on Brexit day the EU dutifully applied the appropriate non-tariff barriers to imports from the U.K. and thereby on the face of it exposed themselves to ‘massive’ losses of U.K. imports. The U.K. meanwhile have put off applying and Policing import barriers for fear of the U.K. running out of food. Looks like we actually do need them more than they need us in this instance. Are there any more ridiculous Brexit slogans that are already being proven to be more than a little bit bollocks? I can think of a remain bollocks saying it was flights would be grounded or wait that’s right it was you who said it lol Hi Foxy With a no deal they probably would have been. Getting a rough agreement saved the day of destruction. Our protections as customers under eu directive 261 have disappeared to be replaced by good intentions agreement hmm yes right. EasyJet is now EU based and controlled due to certain cabotage and operating restrictions. Not seen any positives yet. if we had medicine and food shortages we would of had troops on the streets another remained saying but guess what it never happened this is just another brexit moan thread same shit different day " EXACTLY - We are not in a position to apply the Brexit regulations on imports that we negotiated, for fear of catastrophic consequences. A lack of food and me Ines would absolutely cause unrest - that is why the Government can’t even apply their own rules. Yet the EU can, and did. Why? Because we actually need them much more than they need us. | |||
"Or so it went. Remainers said “oh no they don’t” Brexiters said “oh yes they do” So who was right? Well, on Brexit day the EU dutifully applied the appropriate non-tariff barriers to imports from the U.K. and thereby on the face of it exposed themselves to ‘massive’ losses of U.K. imports. The U.K. meanwhile have put off applying and Policing import barriers for fear of the U.K. running out of food. Looks like we actually do need them more than they need us in this instance. Are there any more ridiculous Brexit slogans that are already being proven to be more than a little bit bollocks? I can think of a remain bollocks saying it was flights would be grounded or wait that’s right it was you who said it lol Hi Foxy With a no deal they probably would have been. Getting a rough agreement saved the day of destruction. Our protections as customers under eu directive 261 have disappeared to be replaced by good intentions agreement hmm yes right. EasyJet is now EU based and controlled due to certain cabotage and operating restrictions. Not seen any positives yet. if we had medicine and food shortages we would of had troops on the streets another remained saying but guess what it never happened this is just another brexit moan thread same shit different day EXACTLY - We are not in a position to apply the Brexit regulations on imports that we negotiated, for fear of catastrophic consequences. A lack of food and me Ines would absolutely cause unrest - that is why the Government can’t even apply their own rules. Yet the EU can, and did. Why? Because we actually need them much more than they need us." Or could it be common sense, did anything change to need vet certs from midnight 31st dec to the 1st of jan? just the rules nothing more. Of course the eu applied them immediately they are pissed off we left them but as usual the Brits decide to do the decent thing. Personally i would have preferred the uk to apply the same rules to the eu ,it would have concentrated their minds on sorting it out quicker when their trade started suffering but i guess the uk are not that petty. As a guy on the news today said who is exporting shellfish he has no problem but now has to cook the prawns 1st as most continental housewives prefer to cook them themselves its them thats suffering. | |||
"Or so it went. Remainers said “oh no they don’t” Brexiters said “oh yes they do” So who was right? Well, on Brexit day the EU dutifully applied the appropriate non-tariff barriers to imports from the U.K. and thereby on the face of it exposed themselves to ‘massive’ losses of U.K. imports. The U.K. meanwhile have put off applying and Policing import barriers for fear of the U.K. running out of food. Looks like we actually do need them more than they need us in this instance. Are there any more ridiculous Brexit slogans that are already being proven to be more than a little bit bollocks? I can think of a remain bollocks saying it was flights would be grounded or wait that’s right it was you who said it lol Hi Foxy With a no deal they probably would have been. Getting a rough agreement saved the day of destruction. Our protections as customers under eu directive 261 have disappeared to be replaced by good intentions agreement hmm yes right. EasyJet is now EU based and controlled due to certain cabotage and operating restrictions. Not seen any positives yet. if we had medicine and food shortages we would of had troops on the streets another remained saying but guess what it never happened this is just another brexit moan thread same shit different day EXACTLY - We are not in a position to apply the Brexit regulations on imports that we negotiated, for fear of catastrophic consequences. A lack of food and me Ines would absolutely cause unrest - that is why the Government can’t even apply their own rules. Yet the EU can, and did. Why? Because we actually need them much more than they need us.Or could it be common sense, did anything change to need vet certs from midnight 31st dec to the 1st of jan? just the rules nothing more. Of course the eu applied them immediately they are pissed off we left them but as usual the Brits decide to do the decent thing. Personally i would have preferred the uk to apply the same rules to the eu ,it would have concentrated their minds on sorting it out quicker when their trade started suffering but i guess the uk are not that petty. As a guy on the news today said who is exporting shellfish he has no problem but now has to cook the prawns 1st as most continental housewives prefer to cook them themselves its them thats suffering. " Do you think that these rules should also not apply to say Ukraine and Turkey and Russia or just not to the U.K.? If you think the U.K. should be treated different to any other third country - why is that? | |||
"Or so it went. Remainers said “oh no they don’t” Brexiters said “oh yes they do” So who was right? Well, on Brexit day the EU dutifully applied the appropriate non-tariff barriers to imports from the U.K. and thereby on the face of it exposed themselves to ‘massive’ losses of U.K. imports. The U.K. meanwhile have put off applying and Policing import barriers for fear of the U.K. running out of food. Looks like we actually do need them more than they need us in this instance. Are there any more ridiculous Brexit slogans that are already being proven to be more than a little bit bollocks?" Oh dear what a sad post what is the point of this? | |||
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"“We hold all the cards” Now also seen to be demonstrably untrue as in the same vein - we would be unable to feed ourselves if we chose to adhere to our own negotiated Brexit in the same way that the EU is adhering to it. U.K. manufacturers now setting up distribution centres in the EU and bulk shipping wholesale to their own distribution centres to derive cost benefits from one large single transaction instead of multiple smaller retail transactions. Retail profits are then taxed in the EU and not the U.K." Exactly what i was saying the uk should have done exactly the same and applied the rules immediately.However, experts say EU firms exporting to the UK - which currently enjoy a grace period over the imposition of some rules - will soon face the same issues. | |||
"Or so it went. Remainers said “oh no they don’t” Brexiters said “oh yes they do” So who was right? Well, on Brexit day the EU dutifully applied the appropriate non-tariff barriers to imports from the U.K. and thereby on the face of it exposed themselves to ‘massive’ losses of U.K. imports. The U.K. meanwhile have put off applying and Policing import barriers for fear of the U.K. running out of food. Looks like we actually do need them more than they need us in this instance. Are there any more ridiculous Brexit slogans that are already being proven to be more than a little bit bollocks?Oh dear what a sad post what is the point of this?" Why do you never add anything to the thread, it is just swearing and insults | |||
"Or so it went. Remainers said “oh no they don’t” Brexiters said “oh yes they do” So who was right? Well, on Brexit day the EU dutifully applied the appropriate non-tariff barriers to imports from the U.K. and thereby on the face of it exposed themselves to ‘massive’ losses of U.K. imports. The U.K. meanwhile have put off applying and Policing import barriers for fear of the U.K. running out of food. Looks like we actually do need them more than they need us in this instance. Are there any more ridiculous Brexit slogans that are already being proven to be more than a little bit bollocks?" The easiest deal in history No downsides to Brexit Northern Ireland border ‘absolutely unchanged ‘ | |||
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"It is difficult to see any valid reasons as to why the application of either import duties or customs checks could lead to food shortages. The only impact would be a marginal increase in the cost of food and marginally delayed journey times for freight being imported. In any event an increase in costs to the end consumer cancels out as the money is collected by central government via taxation. The UK should be admired for taking a pragmatic approach to the issues. On a simplistic basis the EU does need us more than we need them. We are a significant importer of their goods and iy would take them time and money to find alternative markets ( the other option would be that they would have to reduce production of the products concerned ) " Easiest deal in history ? Have a go at that one Pat | |||
"It is difficult to see any valid reasons as to why the application of either import duties or customs checks could lead to food shortages. The only impact would be a marginal increase in the cost of food and marginally delayed journey times for freight being imported. In any event an increase in costs to the end consumer cancels out as the money is collected by central government via taxation. The UK should be admired for taking a pragmatic approach to the issues. On a simplistic basis the EU does need us more than we need them. We are a significant importer of their goods and iy would take them time and money to find alternative markets ( the other option would be that they would have to reduce production of the products concerned ) " Fab has Russian bots now! WTF. | |||
"It is difficult to see any valid reasons as to why the application of either import duties or customs checks could lead to food shortages. The only impact would be a marginal increase in the cost of food and marginally delayed journey times for freight being imported. In any event an increase in costs to the end consumer cancels out as the money is collected by central government via taxation. The UK should be admired for taking a pragmatic approach to the issues. On a simplistic basis the EU does need us more than we need them. We are a significant importer of their goods and iy would take them time and money to find alternative markets ( the other option would be that they would have to reduce production of the products concerned ) Fab has Russian bots now! WTF."  | |||
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"All the hauliers are saying it now trucks come in from the the EU full and leave empty, whilst our trucks are blocked from offloading due to border controls. Retailers need to move part of their business to the EU to avoid huge costs of the exporting, where jobs will grow there and taxes will be paid into other countries coffers. Fishermen cannot sell their catches such as clams and it’s left rotting. Livestock transport costs have increase dramatically with additional red tape. And our cheese cannot sold due to EU Health certs which are the expensive making the price to sell not financially viable. Yet we still bend over and take it because we can’t survive without Europe. Also we will not get a good trade agreement with the US unless we drop legislation to tax big tech companies. We are getting screwed over totally! " It seems a bit odd that the stock market has performed strongly this year when some people are taking such a pessimistic view of the situation. I would prefer to listen to what those who invest in companies are saying as opposed to the various arguments either for or against Brexit . Companies have simply adapted to the changing circumstances. I have yet to see any company director in tears because his business collapsed due to Brexit. The more progressive companies will have picked up additional business. I have yet to see any hauliers selling off their trucks due to reduced work loads . | |||
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"Or so it went. Remainers said “oh no they don’t” Brexiters said “oh yes they do” So who was right? Well, on Brexit day the EU dutifully applied the appropriate non-tariff barriers to imports from the U.K. and thereby on the face of it exposed themselves to ‘massive’ losses of U.K. imports. The U.K. meanwhile have put off applying and Policing import barriers for fear of the U.K. running out of food. Looks like we actually do need them more than they need us in this instance. Are there any more ridiculous Brexit slogans that are already being proven to be more than a little bit bollocks? I can think of a remain bollocks saying it was flights would be grounded or wait that’s right it was you who said it lol Under a “no deal” Brexit - that is exactly what would have happened. Your argument reminds of the people who are still ridiculing the Millennium Bug and ignoring that millions of man hours went into making sure it didn’t have the impact that it would have done with no interventions. U.K. aviation would have been fucked without a sectoral deal - that is why one was agreed." Plus the couple of billion quid it.cost around the world | |||
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"It is difficult to see any valid reasons as to why the application of either import duties or customs checks could lead to food shortages. The only impact would be a marginal increase in the cost of food and marginally delayed journey times for freight being imported. In any event an increase in costs to the end consumer cancels out as the money is collected by central government via taxation. The UK should be admired for taking a pragmatic approach to the issues. On a simplistic basis the EU does need us more than we need them. We are a significant importer of their goods and iy would take them time and money to find alternative markets ( the other option would be that they would have to reduce production of the products concerned ) Easiest deal in history ? Have a go at that one Pat " I will help you with that one mate have you ever actually read what he said, the full sentence ? As usual you remainers take a few words out of context and keep chanting the mantra as if its a big stick to beat leavers with when in reality the ones who know what he actually said just laugh at either the ignorance or the pathetic attempt to justify their argument.  | |||
"It is difficult to see any valid reasons as to why the application of either import duties or customs checks could lead to food shortages. The only impact would be a marginal increase in the cost of food and marginally delayed journey times for freight being imported. In any event an increase in costs to the end consumer cancels out as the money is collected by central government via taxation. The UK should be admired for taking a pragmatic approach to the issues. On a simplistic basis the EU does need us more than we need them. We are a significant importer of their goods and iy would take them time and money to find alternative markets ( the other option would be that they would have to reduce production of the products concerned ) Easiest deal in history ? Have a go at that one Pat I will help you with that one mate have you ever actually read what he said, the full sentence ? As usual you remainers take a few words out of context and keep chanting the mantra as if its a big stick to beat leavers with when in reality the ones who know what he actually said just laugh at either the ignorance or the pathetic attempt to justify their argument. "This isn't a real account that's he's replying to. Surely! It's someone just copying and pasting crap from some pro brexit propaganda site. It's not related to the conversations at all. | |||
"It does not look like the UK has much to worry about. Shares in Wincanton Logistics hit a ten year high yesterday. It is probably just as well we live in a free society. The merchants of doom and gloom are perfectly entitled to express their views but to many others what matters is verifiable performance. If the merchants of doom and gloom were correct, Wincanton would not be hitting a ten year high as there would be less goods to move " Look at this as an example! | |||
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"It does not look like the UK has much to worry about. Shares in Wincanton Logistics hit a ten year high yesterday. It is probably just as well we live in a free society. The merchants of doom and gloom are perfectly entitled to express their views but to many others what matters is verifiable performance. If the merchants of doom and gloom were correct, Wincanton would not be hitting a ten year high as there would be less goods to move "  | |||
"It does not look like the UK has much to worry about. Shares in Wincanton Logistics hit a ten year high yesterday. It is probably just as well we live in a free society. The merchants of doom and gloom are perfectly entitled to express their views but to many others what matters is verifiable performance. If the merchants of doom and gloom were correct, Wincanton would not be hitting a ten year high as there would be less goods to move Look at this as an example! " I wouldn't even bother replying. Its clearly a wind up. | |||
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"Or so it went. Remainers said “oh no they don’t” Brexiters said “oh yes they do” So who was right? Well, on Brexit day the EU dutifully applied the appropriate non-tariff barriers to imports from the U.K. and thereby on the face of it exposed themselves to ‘massive’ losses of U.K. imports. The U.K. meanwhile have put off applying and Policing import barriers for fear of the U.K. running out of food. Looks like we actually do need them more than they need us in this instance. Are there any more ridiculous Brexit slogans that are already being proven to be more than a little bit bollocks?" Some remainers think it's all good fun to talk the country down, scaremonger, restart project fear etc etc It really grinds my gears though when they make stuff up about food security. I know some of the top farming experts and we easily produce enough food to be self sufficient. Yes the produce will be as nature intended, more seasonal, but carrots and many other foods are now grown year round. Anyway carry on with your salty tears. | |||
"I am a remainer and always will be. We were much better off being a member of the EU and we could have used our influence to improve it. We have denied ourselves the right to, work in, retire in and stay for more than 90 days in the EU!! Now I can not go and stay for an unlimited time with some of my family who live in the EU! What a massive act of self harm Brexit is! " Please name one improvement the EU has made to itself in the past 44 years. Just one. | |||
"I am a remainer and always will be. We were much better off being a member of the EU and we could have used our influence to improve it. We have denied ourselves the right to, work in, retire in and stay for more than 90 days in the EU!! Now I can not go and stay for an unlimited time with some of my family who live in the EU! What a massive act of self harm Brexit is! Please name one improvement the EU has made to itself in the past 44 years. Just one. " The U.K. devised, pursued and were instrumental in the creation of the Single Market. Arguably one of the EU’s greatest achievements. The U.K. did this of course for selfish reasons as they sought to attract international investment into an English speaking world and thereby an unfettered stepping stone into European markets. | |||
"I am a remainer and always will be. We were much better off being a member of the EU and we could have used our influence to improve it. We have denied ourselves the right to, work in, retire in and stay for more than 90 days in the EU!! Now I can not go and stay for an unlimited time with some of my family who live in the EU! What a massive act of self harm Brexit is! Please name one improvement the EU has made to itself in the past 44 years. Just one. " Vehicle safety Schengen agreement Flights Security But then you only wanted one, this could go on for ages - very Life of Brian | |||
"I am a remainer and always will be. We were much better off being a member of the EU and we could have used our influence to improve it. We have denied ourselves the right to, work in, retire in and stay for more than 90 days in the EU!! Now I can not go and stay for an unlimited time with some of my family who live in the EU! What a massive act of self harm Brexit is! Please name one improvement the EU has made to itself in the past 44 years. Just one. Vehicle safety Schengen agreement Flights Security But then you only wanted one, this could go on for ages - very Life of Brian "so apart from schengen which the uk was not part of nothing the uk government couldnt have done anyway? | |||
"I am a remainer and always will be. We were much better off being a member of the EU and we could have used our influence to improve it. We have denied ourselves the right to, work in, retire in and stay for more than 90 days in the EU!! Now I can not go and stay for an unlimited time with some of my family who live in the EU! What a massive act of self harm Brexit is! Please name one improvement the EU has made to itself in the past 44 years. Just one. Vehicle safety Schengen agreement Flights Security But then you only wanted one, this could go on for ages - very Life of Brian "Erasmus | |||
"I am a remainer and always will be. We were much better off being a member of the EU and we could have used our influence to improve it. We have denied ourselves the right to, work in, retire in and stay for more than 90 days in the EU!! Now I can not go and stay for an unlimited time with some of my family who live in the EU! What a massive act of self harm Brexit is! Please name one improvement the EU has made to itself in the past 44 years. Just one. Vehicle safety Schengen agreement Flights Security But then you only wanted one, this could go on for ages - very Life of Brian "Didnt you see that video going round of Johnson in parliament where they had done ..what have the eu ever done for us? | |||
"I am a remainer and always will be. We were much better off being a member of the EU and we could have used our influence to improve it. We have denied ourselves the right to, work in, retire in and stay for more than 90 days in the EU!! Now I can not go and stay for an unlimited time with some of my family who live in the EU! What a massive act of self harm Brexit is! Please name one improvement the EU has made to itself in the past 44 years. Just one. Vehicle safety Schengen agreement Flights Security But then you only wanted one, this could go on for ages - very Life of Brian
Erasmus"Turing. | |||
"I am a remainer and always will be. We were much better off being a member of the EU and we could have used our influence to improve it. We have denied ourselves the right to, work in, retire in and stay for more than 90 days in the EU!! Now I can not go and stay for an unlimited time with some of my family who live in the EU! What a massive act of self harm Brexit is! Please name one improvement the EU has made to itself in the past 44 years. Just one. Vehicle safety Schengen agreement Flights Security But then you only wanted one, this could go on for ages - very Life of Brian "You misunderstand the question Name one improvement the EU has done to itself. One improvement in how Brussels, the commission, the orchestra, functions. One reform that has saved taxpayer money and reduced corruption in Brussels. Anything.... At all.... In 44 years? | |||
"I am a remainer and always will be. We were much better off being a member of the EU and we could have used our influence to improve it. We have denied ourselves the right to, work in, retire in and stay for more than 90 days in the EU!! Now I can not go and stay for an unlimited time with some of my family who live in the EU! What a massive act of self harm Brexit is! Please name one improvement the EU has made to itself in the past 44 years. Just one. Vehicle safety Schengen agreement Flights Security But then you only wanted one, this could go on for ages - very Life of Brian
You misunderstand the question
Name one improvement the EU has done to itself.
One improvement in how Brussels, the commission, the orchestra, functions.
One reform that has saved taxpayer money and reduced corruption in Brussels.
Anything.... At all.... In 44 years? "Well they did change calling their private planes, private planes to air taxis maybe they thought it would make them sound cheaper. | |||
"I am a remainer and always will be. We were much better off being a member of the EU and we could have used our influence to improve it. We have denied ourselves the right to, work in, retire in and stay for more than 90 days in the EU!! Now I can not go and stay for an unlimited time with some of my family who live in the EU! What a massive act of self harm Brexit is! Please name one improvement the EU has made to itself in the past 44 years. Just one. Vehicle safety Schengen agreement Flights Security But then you only wanted one, this could go on for ages - very Life of Brian
You misunderstand the question
Name one improvement the EU has done to itself.
One improvement in how Brussels, the commission, the orchestra, functions.
One reform that has saved taxpayer money and reduced corruption in Brussels.
Anything.... At all.... In 44 years? "Would you care to explain how an organisation which has grown on size,incorporating more countries..could actually do this by spending less money? Or is that a silly question | |||
"I am a remainer and always will be. We were much better off being a member of the EU and we could have used our influence to improve it. We have denied ourselves the right to, work in, retire in and stay for more than 90 days in the EU!! Now I can not go and stay for an unlimited time with some of my family who live in the EU! What a massive act of self harm Brexit is! Please name one improvement the EU has made to itself in the past 44 years. Just one. Vehicle safety Schengen agreement Flights Security But then you only wanted one, this could go on for ages - very Life of Brian
You misunderstand the question
Name one improvement the EU has done to itself.
One improvement in how Brussels, the commission, the orchestra, functions.
One reform that has saved taxpayer money and reduced corruption in Brussels.
Anything.... At all.... In 44 years? "According to the Brussels city website, one improvement they've made to themselves is the Homegrade service. "Homegrade is the advice and guidance centre for housing in the Brussels capital region. It is aimed at all families, Tennant's and owners who want to improve the quality of their home" Are there any other unrelated questions you wish to ask? | |||
"It does not look like the UK has much to worry about. Shares in Wincanton Logistics hit a ten year high yesterday. It is probably just as well we live in a free society. The merchants of doom and gloom are perfectly entitled to express their views but to many others what matters is verifiable performance. If the merchants of doom and gloom were correct, Wincanton would not be hitting a ten year high as there would be less goods to move " | |||
"It is difficult to see any valid reasons as to why the application of either import duties or customs checks could lead to food shortages. The only impact would be a marginal increase in the cost of food and marginally delayed journey times for freight being imported. In any event an increase in costs to the end consumer cancels out as the money is collected by central government via taxation. The UK should be admired for taking a pragmatic approach to the issues. On a simplistic basis the EU does need us more than we need them. We are a significant importer of their goods and iy would take them time and money to find alternative markets ( the other option would be that they would have to reduce production of the products concerned ) Easiest deal in history ? Have a go at that one Pat I will help you with that one mate have you ever actually read what he said, the full sentence ? As usual you remainers take a few words out of context and keep chanting the mantra as if its a big stick to beat leavers with when in reality the ones who know what he actually said just laugh at either the ignorance or the pathetic attempt to justify their argument. "No downsides to Brexit, have a go at that one | |||
"It is difficult to see any valid reasons as to why the application of either import duties or customs checks could lead to food shortages. The only impact would be a marginal increase in the cost of food and marginally delayed journey times for freight being imported. In any event an increase in costs to the end consumer cancels out as the money is collected by central government via taxation. The UK should be admired for taking a pragmatic approach to the issues. On a simplistic basis the EU does need us more than we need them. We are a significant importer of their goods and iy would take them time and money to find alternative markets ( the other option would be that they would have to reduce production of the products concerned ) Easiest deal in history ? Have a go at that one Pat I will help you with that one mate have you ever actually read what he said, the full sentence ? As usual you remainers take a few words out of context and keep chanting the mantra as if its a big stick to beat leavers with when in reality the ones who know what he actually said just laugh at either the ignorance or the pathetic attempt to justify their argument.
No downsides to Brexit, have a go at that one "so you have actually read what he said now rather than just one phrase glad i could be of help educating yourself. | |||
"It does not look like the UK has much to worry about. Shares in Wincanton Logistics hit a ten year high yesterday. It is probably just as well we live in a free society. The merchants of doom and gloom are perfectly entitled to express their views but to many others what matters is verifiable performance. If the merchants of doom and gloom were correct, Wincanton would not be hitting a ten year high as there would be less goods to move
"Someone quoted me incorrectly the other day..they replied to a post someone else had made and assumed I'd said it. That got a thumbs up. Quite embarrassing. | |||
"I am a remainer and always will be. We were much better off being a member of the EU and we could have used our influence to improve it. We have denied ourselves the right to, work in, retire in and stay for more than 90 days in the EU!! Now I can not go and stay for an unlimited time with some of my family who live in the EU! What a massive act of self harm Brexit is! Please name one improvement the EU has made to itself in the past 44 years. Just one. Vehicle safety Schengen agreement Flights Security But then you only wanted one, this could go on for ages - very Life of Brian
You misunderstand the question
Name one improvement the EU has done to itself.
One improvement in how Brussels, the commission, the orchestra, functions.
One reform that has saved taxpayer money and reduced corruption in Brussels.
Anything.... At all.... In 44 years?
Would you care to explain how an organisation which has grown on size,incorporating more countries..could actually do this by spending less money?
Or is that a silly question "So as it grows bigger, we should expect even more corruption? Thank god we are out of it | |||
"I am a remainer and always will be. We were much better off being a member of the EU and we could have used our influence to improve it. We have denied ourselves the right to, work in, retire in and stay for more than 90 days in the EU!! Now I can not go and stay for an unlimited time with some of my family who live in the EU! What a massive act of self harm Brexit is! Please name one improvement the EU has made to itself in the past 44 years. Just one. Vehicle safety Schengen agreement Flights Security But then you only wanted one, this could go on for ages - very Life of Brian
You misunderstand the question
Name one improvement the EU has done to itself.
One improvement in how Brussels, the commission, the orchestra, functions.
One reform that has saved taxpayer money and reduced corruption in Brussels.
Anything.... At all.... In 44 years?
Would you care to explain how an organisation which has grown on size,incorporating more countries..could actually do this by spending less money?
Or is that a silly question
So as it grows bigger, we should expect even more corruption?
Thank god we are out of it "It grows bigger and costs more money to run..simple logistics. Are we going to start looking at corruption in this country now? | |||
"I am a remainer and always will be. We were much better off being a member of the EU and we could have used our influence to improve it. We have denied ourselves the right to, work in, retire in and stay for more than 90 days in the EU!! Now I can not go and stay for an unlimited time with some of my family who live in the EU! What a massive act of self harm Brexit is! Please name one improvement the EU has made to itself in the past 44 years. Just one. Vehicle safety Schengen agreement Flights Security But then you only wanted one, this could go on for ages - very Life of Brian
You misunderstand the question
Name one improvement the EU has done to itself.
One improvement in how Brussels, the commission, the orchestra, functions.
One reform that has saved taxpayer money and reduced corruption in Brussels.
Anything.... At all.... In 44 years?
Would you care to explain how an organisation which has grown on size,incorporating more countries..could actually do this by spending less money?
Or is that a silly question
So as it grows bigger, we should expect even more corruption?
Thank god we are out of it "This is about leave campaign claims, start your own thread if you want to make up EU corruption claims . | |||
"It is difficult to see any valid reasons as to why the application of either import duties or customs checks could lead to food shortages. The only impact would be a marginal increase in the cost of food and marginally delayed journey times for freight being imported. In any event an increase in costs to the end consumer cancels out as the money is collected by central government via taxation. The UK should be admired for taking a pragmatic approach to the issues. On a simplistic basis the EU does need us more than we need them. We are a significant importer of their goods and iy would take them time and money to find alternative markets ( the other option would be that they would have to reduce production of the products concerned ) Easiest deal in history ? Have a go at that one Pat I will help you with that one mate have you ever actually read what he said, the full sentence ? As usual you remainers take a few words out of context and keep chanting the mantra as if its a big stick to beat leavers with when in reality the ones who know what he actually said just laugh at either the ignorance or the pathetic attempt to justify their argument.
No downsides to Brexit, have a go at that one so you have actually read what he said now rather than just one phrase glad i could be of help educating yourself. "Just going through the list. ‘No downside to Brexit ‘ ?? | |||
"I am a remainer and always will be. We were much better off being a member of the EU and we could have used our influence to improve it. We have denied ourselves the right to, work in, retire in and stay for more than 90 days in the EU!! Now I can not go and stay for an unlimited time with some of my family who live in the EU! What a massive act of self harm Brexit is! Please name one improvement the EU has made to itself in the past 44 years. Just one. Vehicle safety Schengen agreement Flights Security But then you only wanted one, this could go on for ages - very Life of Brian
You misunderstand the question
Name one improvement the EU has done to itself.
One improvement in how Brussels, the commission, the orchestra, functions.
One reform that has saved taxpayer money and reduced corruption in Brussels.
Anything.... At all.... In 44 years?
Would you care to explain how an organisation which has grown on size,incorporating more countries..could actually do this by spending less money?
Or is that a silly question
So as it grows bigger, we should expect even more corruption?
Thank god we are out of it
It grows bigger and costs more money to run..simple logistics.
Are we going to start looking at corruption in this country now?"Is there an acceptable level of EU corruption to you? 6 billion? 60 billion? Eleventy trillion? | |||
"I am a remainer and always will be. We were much better off being a member of the EU and we could have used our influence to improve it. We have denied ourselves the right to, work in, retire in and stay for more than 90 days in the EU!! Now I can not go and stay for an unlimited time with some of my family who live in the EU! What a massive act of self harm Brexit is! Please name one improvement the EU has made to itself in the past 44 years. Just one. Vehicle safety Schengen agreement Flights Security But then you only wanted one, this could go on for ages - very Life of Brian
You misunderstand the question
Name one improvement the EU has done to itself.
One improvement in how Brussels, the commission, the orchestra, functions.
One reform that has saved taxpayer money and reduced corruption in Brussels.
Anything.... At all.... In 44 years?
Would you care to explain how an organisation which has grown on size,incorporating more countries..could actually do this by spending less money?
Or is that a silly question
So as it grows bigger, we should expect even more corruption?
Thank god we are out of it
It grows bigger and costs more money to run..simple logistics.
Are we going to start looking at corruption in this country now?
Is there an acceptable level of EU corruption to you? 6 billion? 60 billion? Eleventy trillion? "Wrong thread Chris, | |||
"I am a remainer and always will be. We were much better off being a member of the EU and we could have used our influence to improve it. We have denied ourselves the right to, work in, retire in and stay for more than 90 days in the EU!! Now I can not go and stay for an unlimited time with some of my family who live in the EU! What a massive act of self harm Brexit is! Please name one improvement the EU has made to itself in the past 44 years. Just one. Vehicle safety Schengen agreement Flights Security But then you only wanted one, this could go on for ages - very Life of Brian
You misunderstand the question
Name one improvement the EU has done to itself.
One improvement in how Brussels, the commission, the orchestra, functions.
One reform that has saved taxpayer money and reduced corruption in Brussels.
Anything.... At all.... In 44 years?
Would you care to explain how an organisation which has grown on size,incorporating more countries..could actually do this by spending less money?
Or is that a silly question
So as it grows bigger, we should expect even more corruption?
Thank god we are out of it
It grows bigger and costs more money to run..simple logistics.
Are we going to start looking at corruption in this country now?
Is there an acceptable level of EU corruption to you? 6 billion? 60 billion? Eleventy trillion? "No level of corruption is anywhere. Yet there seems to be a distinct lack of threads about corruption here Why is that do you think? | |||
"I am a remainer and always will be. We were much better off being a member of the EU and we could have used our influence to improve it. We have denied ourselves the right to, work in, retire in and stay for more than 90 days in the EU!! Now I can not go and stay for an unlimited time with some of my family who live in the EU! What a massive act of self harm Brexit is! Please name one improvement the EU has made to itself in the past 44 years. Just one. Vehicle safety Schengen agreement Flights Security But then you only wanted one, this could go on for ages - very Life of Brian
You misunderstand the question
Name one improvement the EU has done to itself.
One improvement in how Brussels, the commission, the orchestra, functions.
One reform that has saved taxpayer money and reduced corruption in Brussels.
Anything.... At all.... In 44 years?
Would you care to explain how an organisation which has grown on size,incorporating more countries..could actually do this by spending less money?
Or is that a silly question
So as it grows bigger, we should expect even more corruption?
Thank god we are out of it
It grows bigger and costs more money to run..simple logistics.
Are we going to start looking at corruption in this country now?
Is there an acceptable level of EU corruption to you? 6 billion? 60 billion? Eleventy trillion?
Wrong thread Chris,"Well it started off as a weak thread with an OP full of misinformation about our food self sufficiency. I feel where an OP is lacking in the actualitie, we have a bit of leeway on subsequent contributions. | |||
"I am a remainer and always will be. We were much better off being a member of the EU and we could have used our influence to improve it. We have denied ourselves the right to, work in, retire in and stay for more than 90 days in the EU!! Now I can not go and stay for an unlimited time with some of my family who live in the EU! What a massive act of self harm Brexit is! Please name one improvement the EU has made to itself in the past 44 years. Just one. Vehicle safety Schengen agreement Flights Security But then you only wanted one, this could go on for ages - very Life of Brian
You misunderstand the question
Name one improvement the EU has done to itself.
One improvement in how Brussels, the commission, the orchestra, functions.
One reform that has saved taxpayer money and reduced corruption in Brussels.
Anything.... At all.... In 44 years?
Would you care to explain how an organisation which has grown on size,incorporating more countries..could actually do this by spending less money?
Or is that a silly question
So as it grows bigger, we should expect even more corruption?
Thank god we are out of it
It grows bigger and costs more money to run..simple logistics.
Are we going to start looking at corruption in this country now?
Is there an acceptable level of EU corruption to you? 6 billion? 60 billion? Eleventy trillion?
Wrong thread Chris,
Well it started off as a weak thread with an OP full of misinformation about our food self sufficiency.
I feel where an OP is lacking in the actualitie, we have a bit of leeway on subsequent contributions. "I'm fairness. You've posting lots of unrelated rhubarb on this thread. So you can hardly complain. | |||
"I am a remainer and always will be. We were much better off being a member of the EU and we could have used our influence to improve it. We have denied ourselves the right to, work in, retire in and stay for more than 90 days in the EU!! Now I can not go and stay for an unlimited time with some of my family who live in the EU! What a massive act of self harm Brexit is! Please name one improvement the EU has made to itself in the past 44 years. Just one. Vehicle safety Schengen agreement Flights Security But then you only wanted one, this could go on for ages - very Life of Brian
You misunderstand the question
Name one improvement the EU has done to itself.
One improvement in how Brussels, the commission, the orchestra, functions.
One reform that has saved taxpayer money and reduced corruption in Brussels.
Anything.... At all.... In 44 years?
Would you care to explain how an organisation which has grown on size,incorporating more countries..could actually do this by spending less money?
Or is that a silly question
So as it grows bigger, we should expect even more corruption?
Thank god we are out of it
It grows bigger and costs more money to run..simple logistics.
Are we going to start looking at corruption in this country now?
Is there an acceptable level of EU corruption to you? 6 billion? 60 billion? Eleventy trillion?
Wrong thread Chris,
Well it started off as a weak thread with an OP full of misinformation about our food self sufficiency.
I feel where an OP is lacking in the actualitie, we have a bit of leeway on subsequent contributions. "Stick to the thread Chris, ‘no downsides to Brexit ‘ have a go at that one | |||
"I am a remainer and always will be. We were much better off being a member of the EU and we could have used our influence to improve it. We have denied ourselves the right to, work in, retire in and stay for more than 90 days in the EU!! Now I can not go and stay for an unlimited time with some of my family who live in the EU! What a massive act of self harm Brexit is! Please name one improvement the EU has made to itself in the past 44 years. Just one. Vehicle safety Schengen agreement Flights Security But then you only wanted one, this could go on for ages - very Life of Brian
You misunderstand the question
Name one improvement the EU has done to itself.
One improvement in how Brussels, the commission, the orchestra, functions.
One reform that has saved taxpayer money and reduced corruption in Brussels.
Anything.... At all.... In 44 years?
Would you care to explain how an organisation which has grown on size,incorporating more countries..could actually do this by spending less money?
Or is that a silly question
So as it grows bigger, we should expect even more corruption?
Thank god we are out of it
It grows bigger and costs more money to run..simple logistics.
Are we going to start looking at corruption in this country now?
Is there an acceptable level of EU corruption to you? 6 billion? 60 billion? Eleventy trillion?
Wrong thread Chris,
Well it started off as a weak thread with an OP full of misinformation about our food self sufficiency.
I feel where an OP is lacking in the actualitie, we have a bit of leeway on subsequent contributions.
Stick to the thread Chris, ‘no downsides to Brexit ‘ have a go at that one "Are you again quoting a man who had no part in the final brexit deal.  | |||
"I am a remainer and always will be. We were much better off being a member of the EU and we could have used our influence to improve it. We have denied ourselves the right to, work in, retire in and stay for more than 90 days in the EU!! Now I can not go and stay for an unlimited time with some of my family who live in the EU! What a massive act of self harm Brexit is! Please name one improvement the EU has made to itself in the past 44 years. Just one. Vehicle safety Schengen agreement Flights Security But then you only wanted one, this could go on for ages - very Life of Brian
You misunderstand the question
Name one improvement the EU has done to itself.
One improvement in how Brussels, the commission, the orchestra, functions.
One reform that has saved taxpayer money and reduced corruption in Brussels.
Anything.... At all.... In 44 years?
Would you care to explain how an organisation which has grown on size,incorporating more countries..could actually do this by spending less money?
Or is that a silly question
So as it grows bigger, we should expect even more corruption?
Thank god we are out of it
It grows bigger and costs more money to run..simple logistics.
Are we going to start looking at corruption in this country now?
Is there an acceptable level of EU corruption to you? 6 billion? 60 billion? Eleventy trillion?
Wrong thread Chris,
Well it started off as a weak thread with an OP full of misinformation about our food self sufficiency.
I feel where an OP is lacking in the actualitie, we have a bit of leeway on subsequent contributions.
Stick to the thread Chris, ‘no downsides to Brexit ‘ have a go at that one Are you again quoting a man who had no part in the final brexit deal. "Maybe you can give us a comprehensive list of which brexiteers were trustworthy, and which weren't. Then we can look at what the ones you personally select for us. David Davis was the governments chief Brexit negotiator for a while, so if he's full of shit, then there aren't many more places left. | |||
"I am a remainer and always will be. We were much better off being a member of the EU and we could have used our influence to improve it. We have denied ourselves the right to, work in, retire in and stay for more than 90 days in the EU!! Now I can not go and stay for an unlimited time with some of my family who live in the EU! What a massive act of self harm Brexit is! Please name one improvement the EU has made to itself in the past 44 years. Just one. Vehicle safety Schengen agreement Flights Security But then you only wanted one, this could go on for ages - very Life of Brian
You misunderstand the question
Name one improvement the EU has done to itself.
One improvement in how Brussels, the commission, the orchestra, functions.
One reform that has saved taxpayer money and reduced corruption in Brussels.
Anything.... At all.... In 44 years?
Would you care to explain how an organisation which has grown on size,incorporating more countries..could actually do this by spending less money?
Or is that a silly question
So as it grows bigger, we should expect even more corruption?
Thank god we are out of it
It grows bigger and costs more money to run..simple logistics.
Are we going to start looking at corruption in this country now?
Is there an acceptable level of EU corruption to you? 6 billion? 60 billion? Eleventy trillion?
Wrong thread Chris,
Well it started off as a weak thread with an OP full of misinformation about our food self sufficiency.
I feel where an OP is lacking in the actualitie, we have a bit of leeway on subsequent contributions.
Stick to the thread Chris, ‘no downsides to Brexit ‘ have a go at that one "No worries easy one that: If you are a tax dodger (amazon importers, ex pats living in holiday homes) then Brexit is a disaster for you. If you are in the EU and you're still waiting on your jab, Brexit is a disaster for you. Can't see any other downsides, business has never been better. | |||
"I am a remainer and always will be. We were much better off being a member of the EU and we could have used our influence to improve it. We have denied ourselves the right to, work in, retire in and stay for more than 90 days in the EU!! Now I can not go and stay for an unlimited time with some of my family who live in the EU! What a massive act of self harm Brexit is! Please name one improvement the EU has made to itself in the past 44 years. Just one. Vehicle safety Schengen agreement Flights Security But then you only wanted one, this could go on for ages - very Life of Brian
You misunderstand the question
Name one improvement the EU has done to itself.
One improvement in how Brussels, the commission, the orchestra, functions.
One reform that has saved taxpayer money and reduced corruption in Brussels.
Anything.... At all.... In 44 years?
Would you care to explain how an organisation which has grown on size,incorporating more countries..could actually do this by spending less money?
Or is that a silly question
So as it grows bigger, we should expect even more corruption?
Thank god we are out of it
It grows bigger and costs more money to run..simple logistics.
Are we going to start looking at corruption in this country now?
Is there an acceptable level of EU corruption to you? 6 billion? 60 billion? Eleventy trillion?
Wrong thread Chris,
Well it started off as a weak thread with an OP full of misinformation about our food self sufficiency.
I feel where an OP is lacking in the actualitie, we have a bit of leeway on subsequent contributions.
Stick to the thread Chris, ‘no downsides to Brexit ‘ have a go at that one Are you again quoting a man who had no part in the final brexit deal. "These are about Brexit slogans. How about this one from the chief , Boris , there will be no border in Ireland | |||
"I am a remainer and always will be. We were much better off being a member of the EU and we could have used our influence to improve it. We have denied ourselves the right to, work in, retire in and stay for more than 90 days in the EU!! Now I can not go and stay for an unlimited time with some of my family who live in the EU! What a massive act of self harm Brexit is! Please name one improvement the EU has made to itself in the past 44 years. Just one. Vehicle safety Schengen agreement Flights Security But then you only wanted one, this could go on for ages - very Life of Brian
You misunderstand the question
Name one improvement the EU has done to itself.
One improvement in how Brussels, the commission, the orchestra, functions.
One reform that has saved taxpayer money and reduced corruption in Brussels.
Anything.... At all.... In 44 years?
Would you care to explain how an organisation which has grown on size,incorporating more countries..could actually do this by spending less money?
Or is that a silly question
So as it grows bigger, we should expect even more corruption?
Thank god we are out of it
It grows bigger and costs more money to run..simple logistics.
Are we going to start looking at corruption in this country now?
Is there an acceptable level of EU corruption to you? 6 billion? 60 billion? Eleventy trillion?
Wrong thread Chris,
Well it started off as a weak thread with an OP full of misinformation about our food self sufficiency.
I feel where an OP is lacking in the actualitie, we have a bit of leeway on subsequent contributions.
Stick to the thread Chris, ‘no downsides to Brexit ‘ have a go at that one Are you again quoting a man who had no part in the final brexit deal.
Maybe you can give us a comprehensive list of which brexiteers were trustworthy, and which weren't.
Then we can look at what the ones you personally select for us.
David Davis was the governments chief Brexit negotiator for a while, so if he's full of shit, then there aren't many more places left."Paul nuttall Nigel Farage That fella who owns wethies Murdoch The sun and the mail Johnson Reece mogg More trustworthy individuals you would never hope to meet. | |||
"I am a remainer and always will be. We were much better off being a member of the EU and we could have used our influence to improve it. We have denied ourselves the right to, work in, retire in and stay for more than 90 days in the EU!! Now I can not go and stay for an unlimited time with some of my family who live in the EU! What a massive act of self harm Brexit is! Please name one improvement the EU has made to itself in the past 44 years. Just one. Vehicle safety Schengen agreement Flights Security But then you only wanted one, this could go on for ages - very Life of Brian
You misunderstand the question
Name one improvement the EU has done to itself.
One improvement in how Brussels, the commission, the orchestra, functions.
One reform that has saved taxpayer money and reduced corruption in Brussels.
Anything.... At all.... In 44 years?
Would you care to explain how an organisation which has grown on size,incorporating more countries..could actually do this by spending less money?
Or is that a silly question
So as it grows bigger, we should expect even more corruption?
Thank god we are out of it
It grows bigger and costs more money to run..simple logistics.
Are we going to start looking at corruption in this country now?
Is there an acceptable level of EU corruption to you? 6 billion? 60 billion? Eleventy trillion?
Wrong thread Chris,
Well it started off as a weak thread with an OP full of misinformation about our food self sufficiency.
I feel where an OP is lacking in the actualitie, we have a bit of leeway on subsequent contributions.
Stick to the thread Chris, ‘no downsides to Brexit ‘ have a go at that one
No worries easy one that:
If you are a tax dodger (amazon importers, ex pats living in holiday homes) then Brexit is a disaster for you.
If you are in the EU and you're still waiting on your jab, Brexit is a disaster for you.
Can't see any other downsides, business has never been better. "That made no sense and has nothing to do with Brexit but thanks for making the effort | |||
"I am a remainer and always will be. We were much better off being a member of the EU and we could have used our influence to improve it. We have denied ourselves the right to, work in, retire in and stay for more than 90 days in the EU!! Now I can not go and stay for an unlimited time with some of my family who live in the EU! What a massive act of self harm Brexit is! Please name one improvement the EU has made to itself in the past 44 years. Just one. Vehicle safety Schengen agreement Flights Security But then you only wanted one, this could go on for ages - very Life of Brian
You misunderstand the question
Name one improvement the EU has done to itself.
One improvement in how Brussels, the commission, the orchestra, functions.
One reform that has saved taxpayer money and reduced corruption in Brussels.
Anything.... At all.... In 44 years?
Would you care to explain how an organisation which has grown on size,incorporating more countries..could actually do this by spending less money?
Or is that a silly question
So as it grows bigger, we should expect even more corruption?
Thank god we are out of it
It grows bigger and costs more money to run..simple logistics.
Are we going to start looking at corruption in this country now?
Is there an acceptable level of EU corruption to you? 6 billion? 60 billion? Eleventy trillion?
Wrong thread Chris,
Well it started off as a weak thread with an OP full of misinformation about our food self sufficiency.
I feel where an OP is lacking in the actualitie, we have a bit of leeway on subsequent contributions.
Stick to the thread Chris, ‘no downsides to Brexit ‘ have a go at that one Are you again quoting a man who had no part in the final brexit deal.
Maybe you can give us a comprehensive list of which brexiteers were trustworthy, and which weren't.
Then we can look at what the ones you personally select for us.
David Davis was the governments chief Brexit negotiator for a while, so if he's full of shit, then there aren't many more places left."yeah for T May until he resigned over the crap deal she wanted.
I suggest lord frost he was the one who did it.  tbh i cant be arsed to quote all the remain slogans and how they ended up being lies that has been done to death a long time ago but you carry on as thats all you have to hold on to. | |||
"I am a remainer and always will be. We were much better off being a member of the EU and we could have used our influence to improve it. We have denied ourselves the right to, work in, retire in and stay for more than 90 days in the EU!! Now I can not go and stay for an unlimited time with some of my family who live in the EU! What a massive act of self harm Brexit is! Please name one improvement the EU has made to itself in the past 44 years. Just one. Vehicle safety Schengen agreement Flights Security But then you only wanted one, this could go on for ages - very Life of Brian
You misunderstand the question
Name one improvement the EU has done to itself.
One improvement in how Brussels, the commission, the orchestra, functions.
One reform that has saved taxpayer money and reduced corruption in Brussels.
Anything.... At all.... In 44 years?
Would you care to explain how an organisation which has grown on size,incorporating more countries..could actually do this by spending less money?
Or is that a silly question
So as it grows bigger, we should expect even more corruption?
Thank god we are out of it
It grows bigger and costs more money to run..simple logistics.
Are we going to start looking at corruption in this country now?
Is there an acceptable level of EU corruption to you? 6 billion? 60 billion? Eleventy trillion?
Wrong thread Chris,
Well it started off as a weak thread with an OP full of misinformation about our food self sufficiency.
I feel where an OP is lacking in the actualitie, we have a bit of leeway on subsequent contributions.
Stick to the thread Chris, ‘no downsides to Brexit ‘ have a go at that one Are you again quoting a man who had no part in the final brexit deal.
Maybe you can give us a comprehensive list of which brexiteers were trustworthy, and which weren't.
Then we can look at what the ones you personally select for us.
David Davis was the governments chief Brexit negotiator for a while, so if he's full of shit, then there aren't many more places left.yeah for T May until he resigned over the crap deal she wanted.
I suggest lord frost he was the one who did it. tbh i cant be arsed to quote all the remain slogans and how they ended up being lies that has been done to death a long time ago but you carry on as thats all you have to hold on to."So which leavers can we trust then? Lord Frost, anyone else? The gist of the remain campaign was, leaving will be bad for the country and the economy. 100% correct. | |||
"I am a remainer and always will be. We were much better off being a member of the EU and we could have used our influence to improve it. We have denied ourselves the right to, work in, retire in and stay for more than 90 days in the EU!! Now I can not go and stay for an unlimited time with some of my family who live in the EU! What a massive act of self harm Brexit is! Please name one improvement the EU has made to itself in the past 44 years. Just one. Vehicle safety Schengen agreement Flights Security But then you only wanted one, this could go on for ages - very Life of Brian
You misunderstand the question
Name one improvement the EU has done to itself.
One improvement in how Brussels, the commission, the orchestra, functions.
One reform that has saved taxpayer money and reduced corruption in Brussels.
Anything.... At all.... In 44 years?
Would you care to explain how an organisation which has grown on size,incorporating more countries..could actually do this by spending less money?
Or is that a silly question
So as it grows bigger, we should expect even more corruption?
Thank god we are out of it
It grows bigger and costs more money to run..simple logistics.
Are we going to start looking at corruption in this country now?
Is there an acceptable level of EU corruption to you? 6 billion? 60 billion? Eleventy trillion?
Wrong thread Chris,
Well it started off as a weak thread with an OP full of misinformation about our food self sufficiency.
I feel where an OP is lacking in the actualitie, we have a bit of leeway on subsequent contributions.
Stick to the thread Chris, ‘no downsides to Brexit ‘ have a go at that one Are you again quoting a man who had no part in the final brexit deal.
Maybe you can give us a comprehensive list of which brexiteers were trustworthy, and which weren't.
Then we can look at what the ones you personally select for us.
David Davis was the governments chief Brexit negotiator for a while, so if he's full of shit, then there aren't many more places left.yeah for T May until he resigned over the crap deal she wanted.
I suggest lord frost he was the one who did it. tbh i cant be arsed to quote all the remain slogans and how they ended up being lies that has been done to death a long time ago but you carry on as thats all you have to hold on to.
So which leavers can we trust then? Lord Frost, anyone else?
The gist of the remain campaign was, leaving will be bad for the country and the economy. 100% correct. "100% false | |||
"I am a remainer and always will be. We were much better off being a member of the EU and we could have used our influence to improve it. We have denied ourselves the right to, work in, retire in and stay for more than 90 days in the EU!! Now I can not go and stay for an unlimited time with some of my family who live in the EU! What a massive act of self harm Brexit is! Please name one improvement the EU has made to itself in the past 44 years. Just one. Vehicle safety Schengen agreement Flights Security But then you only wanted one, this could go on for ages - very Life of Brian
You misunderstand the question
Name one improvement the EU has done to itself.
One improvement in how Brussels, the commission, the orchestra, functions.
One reform that has saved taxpayer money and reduced corruption in Brussels.
Anything.... At all.... In 44 years?
Would you care to explain how an organisation which has grown on size,incorporating more countries..could actually do this by spending less money?
Or is that a silly question
So as it grows bigger, we should expect even more corruption?
Thank god we are out of it
It grows bigger and costs more money to run..simple logistics.
Are we going to start looking at corruption in this country now?
Is there an acceptable level of EU corruption to you? 6 billion? 60 billion? Eleventy trillion?
Wrong thread Chris,
Well it started off as a weak thread with an OP full of misinformation about our food self sufficiency.
I feel where an OP is lacking in the actualitie, we have a bit of leeway on subsequent contributions.
Stick to the thread Chris, ‘no downsides to Brexit ‘ have a go at that one Are you again quoting a man who had no part in the final brexit deal.
Maybe you can give us a comprehensive list of which brexiteers were trustworthy, and which weren't.
Then we can look at what the ones you personally select for us.
David Davis was the governments chief Brexit negotiator for a while, so if he's full of shit, then there aren't many more places left.yeah for T May until he resigned over the crap deal she wanted.
I suggest lord frost he was the one who did it. tbh i cant be arsed to quote all the remain slogans and how they ended up being lies that has been done to death a long time ago but you carry on as thats all you have to hold on to.
So which leavers can we trust then? Lord Frost, anyone else?
The gist of the remain campaign was, leaving will be bad for the country and the economy. 100% correct.
100% false"Just to clarify. Your confusion about brexit, is unrelated to the reality of life. | |||
"I am a remainer and always will be. We were much better off being a member of the EU and we could have used our influence to improve it. We have denied ourselves the right to, work in, retire in and stay for more than 90 days in the EU!! Now I can not go and stay for an unlimited time with some of my family who live in the EU! What a massive act of self harm Brexit is! Please name one improvement the EU has made to itself in the past 44 years. Just one. Vehicle safety Schengen agreement Flights Security But then you only wanted one, this could go on for ages - very Life of Brian
You misunderstand the question
Name one improvement the EU has done to itself.
One improvement in how Brussels, the commission, the orchestra, functions.
One reform that has saved taxpayer money and reduced corruption in Brussels.
Anything.... At all.... In 44 years?
Would you care to explain how an organisation which has grown on size,incorporating more countries..could actually do this by spending less money?
Or is that a silly question
So as it grows bigger, we should expect even more corruption?
Thank god we are out of it
It grows bigger and costs more money to run..simple logistics.
Are we going to start looking at corruption in this country now?
Is there an acceptable level of EU corruption to you? 6 billion? 60 billion? Eleventy trillion?
Wrong thread Chris,
Well it started off as a weak thread with an OP full of misinformation about our food self sufficiency.
I feel where an OP is lacking in the actualitie, we have a bit of leeway on subsequent contributions.
Stick to the thread Chris, ‘no downsides to Brexit ‘ have a go at that one Are you again quoting a man who had no part in the final brexit deal.
Maybe you can give us a comprehensive list of which brexiteers were trustworthy, and which weren't.
Then we can look at what the ones you personally select for us.
David Davis was the governments chief Brexit negotiator for a while, so if he's full of shit, then there aren't many more places left.yeah for T May until he resigned over the crap deal she wanted.
I suggest lord frost he was the one who did it. tbh i cant be arsed to quote all the remain slogans and how they ended up being lies that has been done to death a long time ago but you carry on as thats all you have to hold on to.
So which leavers can we trust then? Lord Frost, anyone else?
The gist of the remain campaign was, leaving will be bad for the country and the economy. 100% correct.
100% false
Just to clarify. Your confusion about brexit, is unrelated to the reality of life."No confusion here, complete clarity. I am happy to announce I have achieved the clear. | |||
"Or so it went. Remainers said “oh no they don’t” Brexiters said “oh yes they do” So who was right? Well, on Brexit day the EU dutifully applied the appropriate non-tariff barriers to imports from the U.K. and thereby on the face of it exposed themselves to ‘massive’ losses of U.K. imports. The U.K. meanwhile have put off applying and Policing import barriers for fear of the U.K. running out of food. Looks like we actually do need them more than they need us in this instance. Are there any more ridiculous Brexit slogans that are already being proven to be more than a little bit bollocks?" Erm that one with 350 million on the side of a coach springs to mind...........  | |||
"Or so it went. Remainers said “oh no they don’t” Brexiters said “oh yes they do” So who was right? Well, on Brexit day the EU dutifully applied the appropriate non-tariff barriers to imports from the U.K. and thereby on the face of it exposed themselves to ‘massive’ losses of U.K. imports. The U.K. meanwhile have put off applying and Policing import barriers for fear of the U.K. running out of food. Looks like we actually do need them more than they need us in this instance. Are there any more ridiculous Brexit slogans that are already being proven to be more than a little bit bollocks? Erm that one with 350 million on the side of a coach springs to mind........... "Well that was true so | |||
"I am a remainer and always will be. We were much better off being a member of the EU and we could have used our influence to improve it. We have denied ourselves the right to, work in, retire in and stay for more than 90 days in the EU!! Now I can not go and stay for an unlimited time with some of my family who live in the EU! What a massive act of self harm Brexit is! Please name one improvement the EU has made to itself in the past 44 years. Just one. Vehicle safety Schengen agreement Flights Security But then you only wanted one, this could go on for ages - very Life of Brian
You misunderstand the question
Name one improvement the EU has done to itself.
One improvement in how Brussels, the commission, the orchestra, functions.
One reform that has saved taxpayer money and reduced corruption in Brussels.
Anything.... At all.... In 44 years?
Would you care to explain how an organisation which has grown on size,incorporating more countries..could actually do this by spending less money?
Or is that a silly question
So as it grows bigger, we should expect even more corruption?
Thank god we are out of it
It grows bigger and costs more money to run..simple logistics.
Are we going to start looking at corruption in this country now?
Is there an acceptable level of EU corruption to you? 6 billion? 60 billion? Eleventy trillion?
Wrong thread Chris,
Well it started off as a weak thread with an OP full of misinformation about our food self sufficiency.
I feel where an OP is lacking in the actualitie, we have a bit of leeway on subsequent contributions.
Stick to the thread Chris, ‘no downsides to Brexit ‘ have a go at that one Are you again quoting a man who had no part in the final brexit deal.
Maybe you can give us a comprehensive list of which brexiteers were trustworthy, and which weren't.
Then we can look at what the ones you personally select for us.
David Davis was the governments chief Brexit negotiator for a while, so if he's full of shit, then there aren't many more places left.yeah for T May until he resigned over the crap deal she wanted.
I suggest lord frost he was the one who did it. tbh i cant be arsed to quote all the remain slogans and how they ended up being lies that has been done to death a long time ago but you carry on as thats all you have to hold on to.
So which leavers can we trust then? Lord Frost, anyone else?
The gist of the remain campaign was, leaving will be bad for the country and the economy. 100% correct.
100% false"So “100% False”, what was it about then? I could imagine an argument for 1-2% false, but the rest? What have your Professors been feeding you?  | |||
"Or so it went. Remainers said “oh no they don’t” Brexiters said “oh yes they do” So who was right? Well, on Brexit day the EU dutifully applied the appropriate non-tariff barriers to imports from the U.K. and thereby on the face of it exposed themselves to ‘massive’ losses of U.K. imports. The U.K. meanwhile have put off applying and Policing import barriers for fear of the U.K. running out of food. Looks like we actually do need them more than they need us in this instance. Are there any more ridiculous Brexit slogans that are already being proven to be more than a little bit bollocks? Erm that one with 350 million on the side of a coach springs to mind...........
Well that was true so "£350 million x 52 is £18.2 billion, try again Chris | |||
"Or so it went. Remainers said “oh no they don’t” Brexiters said “oh yes they do” So who was right? Well, on Brexit day the EU dutifully applied the appropriate non-tariff barriers to imports from the U.K. and thereby on the face of it exposed themselves to ‘massive’ losses of U.K. imports. The U.K. meanwhile have put off applying and Policing import barriers for fear of the U.K. running out of food. Looks like we actually do need them more than they need us in this instance. Are there any more ridiculous Brexit slogans that are already being proven to be more than a little bit bollocks? Erm that one with 350 million on the side of a coach springs to mind...........
Well that was true so
£350 million x 52 is £18.2 billion, try again Chris "Well it was 19 billion so close ebough | |||
"Or so it went. Remainers said “oh no they don’t” Brexiters said “oh yes they do” So who was right? Well, on Brexit day the EU dutifully applied the appropriate non-tariff barriers to imports from the U.K. and thereby on the face of it exposed themselves to ‘massive’ losses of U.K. imports. The U.K. meanwhile have put off applying and Policing import barriers for fear of the U.K. running out of food. Looks like we actually do need them more than they need us in this instance. Are there any more ridiculous Brexit slogans that are already being proven to be more than a little bit bollocks? Erm that one with 350 million on the side of a coach springs to mind...........
Well that was true so
£350 million x 52 is £18.2 billion, try again Chris
Well it was 19 billion so close ebough"We have never paid £19 billion, try again Chris | |||
"Or so it went. Remainers said “oh no they don’t” Brexiters said “oh yes they do” So who was right? Well, on Brexit day the EU dutifully applied the appropriate non-tariff barriers to imports from the U.K. and thereby on the face of it exposed themselves to ‘massive’ losses of U.K. imports. The U.K. meanwhile have put off applying and Policing import barriers for fear of the U.K. running out of food. Looks like we actually do need them more than they need us in this instance. Are there any more ridiculous Brexit slogans that are already being proven to be more than a little bit bollocks? Erm that one with 350 million on the side of a coach springs to mind...........
Well that was true so
£350 million x 52 is £18.2 billion, try again Chris
Well it was 19 billion so close ebough
We have never paid £19 billion, try again Chris "I prefer the term "been chiseled out of" to paid and I want it all back. | |||
"Or so it went. Remainers said “oh no they don’t” Brexiters said “oh yes they do” So who was right? Well, on Brexit day the EU dutifully applied the appropriate non-tariff barriers to imports from the U.K. and thereby on the face of it exposed themselves to ‘massive’ losses of U.K. imports. The U.K. meanwhile have put off applying and Policing import barriers for fear of the U.K. running out of food. Looks like we actually do need them more than they need us in this instance. Are there any more ridiculous Brexit slogans that are already being proven to be more than a little bit bollocks? Erm that one with 350 million on the side of a coach springs to mind...........
Well that was true so
£350 million x 52 is £18.2 billion, try again Chris
Well it was 19 billion so close ebough
We have never paid £19 billion, try again Chris
I prefer the term "been chiseled out of" to paid and I want it all back. "Would that be a 100% lie Chris? | |||
"Or so it went. Remainers said “oh no they don’t” Brexiters said “oh yes they do” So who was right? Well, on Brexit day the EU dutifully applied the appropriate non-tariff barriers to imports from the U.K. and thereby on the face of it exposed themselves to ‘massive’ losses of U.K. imports. The U.K. meanwhile have put off applying and Policing import barriers for fear of the U.K. running out of food. Looks like we actually do need them more than they need us in this instance. Are there any more ridiculous Brexit slogans that are already being proven to be more than a little bit bollocks? Erm that one with 350 million on the side of a coach springs to mind...........
Well that was true so
£350 million x 52 is £18.2 billion, try again Chris
Well it was 19 billion so close ebough
We have never paid £19 billion, try again Chris
I prefer the term "been chiseled out of" to paid and I want it all back.
Would that be a 100% lie Chris? "I think there's a case for asking for all our contributions over 44 years to be paid back, I think that's about 260 billion, on the basis that the EU has achieved nothing and its a declining percentage of world trade. | |||
"Or so it went. Remainers said “oh no they don’t” Brexiters said “oh yes they do” So who was right? Well, on Brexit day the EU dutifully applied the appropriate non-tariff barriers to imports from the U.K. and thereby on the face of it exposed themselves to ‘massive’ losses of U.K. imports. The U.K. meanwhile have put off applying and Policing import barriers for fear of the U.K. running out of food. Looks like we actually do need them more than they need us in this instance. Are there any more ridiculous Brexit slogans that are already being proven to be more than a little bit bollocks? Erm that one with 350 million on the side of a coach springs to mind...........
Well that was true so
£350 million x 52 is £18.2 billion, try again Chris
Well it was 19 billion so close ebough
We have never paid £19 billion, try again Chris
I prefer the term "been chiseled out of" to paid and I want it all back.
Would that be a 100% lie Chris?
I think there's a case for asking for all our contributions over 44 years to be paid back, I think that's about 260 billion, on the basis that the EU has achieved nothing and its a declining percentage of world trade. "Start a petition, arrange a protest, send a message to Boris , or is that to much like hard work ? | |||
"Or so it went. Remainers said “oh no they don’t” Brexiters said “oh yes they do” So who was right? Well, on Brexit day the EU dutifully applied the appropriate non-tariff barriers to imports from the U.K. and thereby on the face of it exposed themselves to ‘massive’ losses of U.K. imports. The U.K. meanwhile have put off applying and Policing import barriers for fear of the U.K. running out of food. Looks like we actually do need them more than they need us in this instance. Are there any more ridiculous Brexit slogans that are already being proven to be more than a little bit bollocks? Erm that one with 350 million on the side of a coach springs to mind...........
Well that was true so
£350 million x 52 is £18.2 billion, try again Chris
Well it was 19 billion so close ebough
We have never paid £19 billion, try again Chris
I prefer the term "been chiseled out of" to paid and I want it all back.
Would that be a 100% lie Chris?
I think there's a case for asking for all our contributions over 44 years to be paid back, I think that's about 260 billion, on the basis that the EU has achieved nothing and its a declining percentage of world trade.
Start a petition, arrange a protest, send a message to Boris , or is that to much like hard work ? "I'm bouncing it off sensible members of the forum first | |||
"I am a remainer and always will be. We were much better off being a member of the EU and we could have used our influence to improve it. We have denied ourselves the right to, work in, retire in and stay for more than 90 days in the EU!! Now I can not go and stay for an unlimited time with some of my family who live in the EU! What a massive act of self harm Brexit is! Please name one improvement the EU has made to itself in the past 44 years. Just one. Vehicle safety Schengen agreement Flights Security But then you only wanted one, this could go on for ages - very Life of Brian
You misunderstand the question
Name one improvement the EU has done to itself.
One improvement in how Brussels, the commission, the orchestra, functions.
One reform that has saved taxpayer money and reduced corruption in Brussels.
Anything.... At all.... In 44 years?
Would you care to explain how an organisation which has grown on size,incorporating more countries..could actually do this by spending less money?
Or is that a silly question
So as it grows bigger, we should expect even more corruption?
Thank god we are out of it
It grows bigger and costs more money to run..simple logistics.
Are we going to start looking at corruption in this country now?
Is there an acceptable level of EU corruption to you? 6 billion? 60 billion? Eleventy trillion?
Wrong thread Chris,
Well it started off as a weak thread with an OP full of misinformation about our food self sufficiency.
I feel where an OP is lacking in the actualitie, we have a bit of leeway on subsequent contributions.
Stick to the thread Chris, ‘no downsides to Brexit ‘ have a go at that one
No worries easy one that:
If you are a tax dodger (amazon importers, ex pats living in holiday homes) then Brexit is a disaster for you.
If you are in the EU and you're still waiting on your jab, Brexit is a disaster for you.
Can't see any other downsides, business has never been better. " | |||
"Or so it went. Remainers said “oh no they don’t” Brexiters said “oh yes they do” So who was right? Well, on Brexit day the EU dutifully applied the appropriate non-tariff barriers to imports from the U.K. and thereby on the face of it exposed themselves to ‘massive’ losses of U.K. imports. The U.K. meanwhile have put off applying and Policing import barriers for fear of the U.K. running out of food. Looks like we actually do need them more than they need us in this instance. Are there any more ridiculous Brexit slogans that are already being proven to be more than a little bit bollocks? Erm that one with 350 million on the side of a coach springs to mind...........
Well that was true so
£350 million x 52 is £18.2 billion, try again Chris
Well it was 19 billion so close ebough
We have never paid £19 billion, try again Chris
I prefer the term "been chiseled out of" to paid and I want it all back.
Would that be a 100% lie Chris?
I think there's a case for asking for all our contributions over 44 years to be paid back, I think that's about 260 billion, on the basis that the EU has achieved nothing and its a declining percentage of world trade.
Start a petition, arrange a protest, send a message to Boris , or is that to much like hard work ?
I'm bouncing it off sensible members of the forum first "I can’t see any sensible people signing it, have you added the money we are still paying to that total? | |||
"Or so it went. Remainers said “oh no they don’t” Brexiters said “oh yes they do” So who was right? Well, on Brexit day the EU dutifully applied the appropriate non-tariff barriers to imports from the U.K. and thereby on the face of it exposed themselves to ‘massive’ losses of U.K. imports. The U.K. meanwhile have put off applying and Policing import barriers for fear of the U.K. running out of food. Looks like we actually do need them more than they need us in this instance. Are there any more ridiculous Brexit slogans that are already being proven to be more than a little bit bollocks? Erm that one with 350 million on the side of a coach springs to mind...........
Well that was true so
£350 million x 52 is £18.2 billion, try again Chris
Well it was 19 billion so close ebough
We have never paid £19 billion, try again Chris
I prefer the term "been chiseled out of" to paid and I want it all back.
Would that be a 100% lie Chris?
I think there's a case for asking for all our contributions over 44 years to be paid back, I think that's about 260 billion, on the basis that the EU has achieved nothing and its a declining percentage of world trade. "Don’t you think the EU might ask for all the funds they ploughed into the UK to be paid back? I can’t see Boris replicating Regional Development Funds | |||
"Or so it went. Remainers said “oh no they don’t” Brexiters said “oh yes they do” So who was right? Well, on Brexit day the EU dutifully applied the appropriate non-tariff barriers to imports from the U.K. and thereby on the face of it exposed themselves to ‘massive’ losses of U.K. imports. The U.K. meanwhile have put off applying and Policing import barriers for fear of the U.K. running out of food. Looks like we actually do need them more than they need us in this instance. Are there any more ridiculous Brexit slogans that are already being proven to be more than a little bit bollocks? Erm that one with 350 million on the side of a coach springs to mind...........
Well that was true so
£350 million x 52 is £18.2 billion, try again Chris
Well it was 19 billion so close ebough
We have never paid £19 billion, try again Chris
I prefer the term "been chiseled out of" to paid and I want it all back.
Would that be a 100% lie Chris?
I think there's a case for asking for all our contributions over 44 years to be paid back, I think that's about 260 billion, on the basis that the EU has achieved nothing and its a declining percentage of world trade.
Don’t you think the EU might ask for all the funds they ploughed into the UK to be paid back? I can’t see Boris replicating Regional Development Funds "Nope because the EU directed the spending, eg on silly tram systems and Welsh pottery workshops. The money that wasn’t stolen that is. | |||
"Or so it went. Remainers said “oh no they don’t” Brexiters said “oh yes they do” So who was right? Well, on Brexit day the EU dutifully applied the appropriate non-tariff barriers to imports from the U.K. and thereby on the face of it exposed themselves to ‘massive’ losses of U.K. imports. The U.K. meanwhile have put off applying and Policing import barriers for fear of the U.K. running out of food. Looks like we actually do need them more than they need us in this instance. Are there any more ridiculous Brexit slogans that are already being proven to be more than a little bit bollocks? Erm that one with 350 million on the side of a coach springs to mind...........
Well that was true so
£350 million x 52 is £18.2 billion, try again Chris
Well it was 19 billion so close ebough
We have never paid £19 billion, try again Chris
I prefer the term "been chiseled out of" to paid and I want it all back.
Would that be a 100% lie Chris?
I think there's a case for asking for all our contributions over 44 years to be paid back, I think that's about 260 billion, on the basis that the EU has achieved nothing and its a declining percentage of world trade.
Don’t you think the EU might ask for all the funds they ploughed into the UK to be paid back? I can’t see Boris replicating Regional Development Funds
Nope because the EU directed the spending, eg on silly tram systems and Welsh pottery workshops. The money that wasn’t stolen that is."I like welsh pottery, | |||
"All the hauliers are saying it now trucks come in from the the EU full and leave empty, whilst our trucks are blocked from offloading due to border controls. Retailers need to move part of their business to the EU to avoid huge costs of the exporting, where jobs will grow there and taxes will be paid into other countries coffers. Fishermen cannot sell their catches such as clams and it’s left rotting. Livestock transport costs have increase dramatically with additional red tape. And our cheese cannot sold due to EU Health certs which are the expensive making the price to sell not financially viable. Yet we still bend over and take it because we can’t survive without Europe. Also we will not get a good trade agreement with the US unless we drop legislation to tax big tech companies. We are getting screwed over totally! It seems a bit odd that the stock market has performed strongly this year when some people are taking such a pessimistic view of the situation. I would prefer to listen to what those who invest in companies are saying as opposed to the various arguments either for or against Brexit . Companies have simply adapted to the changing circumstances. I have yet to see any company director in tears because his business collapsed due to Brexit. The more progressive companies will have picked up additional business. I have yet to see any hauliers selling off their trucks due to reduced work loads . " Of course, tory boom and bust. Just like the 90’s, wait for it. | |||
"Or so it went. Remainers said “oh no they don’t” Brexiters said “oh yes they do” So who was right? Well, on Brexit day the EU dutifully applied the appropriate non-tariff barriers to imports from the U.K. and thereby on the face of it exposed themselves to ‘massive’ losses of U.K. imports. The U.K. meanwhile have put off applying and Policing import barriers for fear of the U.K. running out of food. Looks like we actually do need them more than they need us in this instance. Are there any more ridiculous Brexit slogans that are already being proven to be more than a little bit bollocks? Erm that one with 350 million on the side of a coach springs to mind...........
Well that was true so
£350 million x 52 is £18.2 billion, try again Chris
Well it was 19 billion so close ebough
We have never paid £19 billion, try again Chris
I prefer the term "been chiseled out of" to paid and I want it all back.
Would that be a 100% lie Chris?
I think there's a case for asking for all our contributions over 44 years to be paid back, I think that's about 260 billion, on the basis that the EU has achieved nothing and its a declining percentage of world trade.
Don’t you think the EU might ask for all the funds they ploughed into the UK to be paid back? I can’t see Boris replicating Regional Development Funds
Nope because the EU directed the spending, eg on silly tram systems and Welsh pottery workshops. The money that wasn’t stolen that is."We were part of the EU, at the time. Even being President with Margaret Thatcher, John Major and Tony Blair. So we directed the spending. More Brexiteer lies. | |||
"Or so it went. Remainers said “oh no they don’t” Brexiters said “oh yes they do” So who was right? Well, on Brexit day the EU dutifully applied the appropriate non-tariff barriers to imports from the U.K. and thereby on the face of it exposed themselves to ‘massive’ losses of U.K. imports. The U.K. meanwhile have put off applying and Policing import barriers for fear of the U.K. running out of food. Looks like we actually do need them more than they need us in this instance. Are there any more ridiculous Brexit slogans that are already being proven to be more than a little bit bollocks? Erm that one with 350 million on the side of a coach springs to mind...........
Well that was true so
£350 million x 52 is £18.2 billion, try again Chris
Well it was 19 billion so close ebough
We have never paid £19 billion, try again Chris
I prefer the term "been chiseled out of" to paid and I want it all back.
Would that be a 100% lie Chris?
I think there's a case for asking for all our contributions over 44 years to be paid back, I think that's about 260 billion, on the basis that the EU has achieved nothing and its a declining percentage of world trade.
Don’t you think the EU might ask for all the funds they ploughed into the UK to be paid back? I can’t see Boris replicating Regional Development Funds
Nope because the EU directed the spending, eg on silly tram systems and Welsh pottery workshops. The money that wasn’t stolen that is.
We were part of the EU, at the time. Even being President with Margaret Thatcher, John Major and Tony Blair. So we directed the spending. More Brexiteer lies."6 month presidency terms rotated among 28 members lol come on let’s get the discussion back down to Earth. I want our 260 billion back. | |||
"Or so it went. Remainers said “oh no they don’t” Brexiters said “oh yes they do” So who was right? Well, on Brexit day the EU dutifully applied the appropriate non-tariff barriers to imports from the U.K. and thereby on the face of it exposed themselves to ‘massive’ losses of U.K. imports. The U.K. meanwhile have put off applying and Policing import barriers for fear of the U.K. running out of food. Looks like we actually do need them more than they need us in this instance. Are there any more ridiculous Brexit slogans that are already being proven to be more than a little bit bollocks? Erm that one with 350 million on the side of a coach springs to mind...........
Well that was true so
£350 million x 52 is £18.2 billion, try again Chris
Well it was 19 billion so close ebough
We have never paid £19 billion, try again Chris
I prefer the term "been chiseled out of" to paid and I want it all back.
Would that be a 100% lie Chris?
I think there's a case for asking for all our contributions over 44 years to be paid back, I think that's about 260 billion, on the basis that the EU has achieved nothing and its a declining percentage of world trade.
Don’t you think the EU might ask for all the funds they ploughed into the UK to be paid back? I can’t see Boris replicating Regional Development Funds
Nope because the EU directed the spending, eg on silly tram systems and Welsh pottery workshops. The money that wasn’t stolen that is.
We were part of the EU, at the time. Even being President with Margaret Thatcher, John Major and Tony Blair. So we directed the spending. More Brexiteer lies.
6 month presidency terms rotated among 28 members lol come on let’s get the discussion back down to Earth.
I want our 260 billion back."Did you see that on the side of a bus, or did an Oxford Don suggest it? | |||
"Or so it went. Remainers said “oh no they don’t” Brexiters said “oh yes they do” So who was right? Well, on Brexit day the EU dutifully applied the appropriate non-tariff barriers to imports from the U.K. and thereby on the face of it exposed themselves to ‘massive’ losses of U.K. imports. The U.K. meanwhile have put off applying and Policing import barriers for fear of the U.K. running out of food. Looks like we actually do need them more than they need us in this instance. Are there any more ridiculous Brexit slogans that are already being proven to be more than a little bit bollocks? Erm that one with 350 million on the side of a coach springs to mind...........
Well that was true so
£350 million x 52 is £18.2 billion, try again Chris
Well it was 19 billion so close ebough
We have never paid £19 billion, try again Chris
I prefer the term "been chiseled out of" to paid and I want it all back.
Would that be a 100% lie Chris?
I think there's a case for asking for all our contributions over 44 years to be paid back, I think that's about 260 billion, on the basis that the EU has achieved nothing and its a declining percentage of world trade.
Don’t you think the EU might ask for all the funds they ploughed into the UK to be paid back? I can’t see Boris replicating Regional Development Funds
Nope because the EU directed the spending, eg on silly tram systems and Welsh pottery workshops. The money that wasn’t stolen that is.
We were part of the EU, at the time. Even being President with Margaret Thatcher, John Major and Tony Blair. So we directed the spending. More Brexiteer lies.
6 month presidency terms rotated among 28 members lol come on let’s get the discussion back down to Earth.
I want our 260 billion back."I like trams, | |||
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"The UK leaving the EU was the best move without a doubt, this will be far more apparent to the skeptics with time, even though they probably will never admit it lol. The UK is strong enough to stand on it's own feet again, they just forgot how for awhile. There will be others who will remember they can stand on their own feet again too, and they will leave the EU as well, just wait and see." Slogans aside. Can you give a real life example of why it was a good move to leave the UK? Preferably something that offsets the job losses, business closures, businesses relocating to the EU, our loss of freedom to live and work in EU countries, the devaluation of the pound and the long term impact to the economy. | |||
"It does not look like the UK has much to worry about. Shares in Wincanton Logistics hit a ten year high yesterday. It is probably just as well we live in a free society. The merchants of doom and gloom are perfectly entitled to express their views but to many others what matters is verifiable performance. If the merchants of doom and gloom were correct, Wincanton would not be hitting a ten year high as there would be less goods to move " Interesting that Wincanton operations concentrate mostly in the U.K. and Ireland so not sure what your point is. The warehouses their main income will benefit due to the need for more storage now just in time is harder. Their transport accounts for around just 10% of their income. They are not an international operator so not particularly affected by Brexit. | |||
"Or so it went. Remainers said “oh no they don’t” Brexiters said “oh yes they do” So who was right? Well, on Brexit day the EU dutifully applied the appropriate non-tariff barriers to imports from the U.K. and thereby on the face of it exposed themselves to ‘massive’ losses of U.K. imports. The U.K. meanwhile have put off applying and Policing import barriers for fear of the U.K. running out of food. Looks like we actually do need them more than they need us in this instance. Are there any more ridiculous Brexit slogans that are already being proven to be more than a little bit bollocks? Some remainers think it's all good fun to talk the country down, scaremonger, restart project fear etc etc It really grinds my gears though when they make stuff up about food security. I know some of the top farming experts and we easily produce enough food to be self sufficient. Yes the produce will be as nature intended, more seasonal, but carrots and many other foods are now grown year round. Anyway carry on with your salty tears. "Actually we are capable of 64% self sufficiency at the moment according to the NFU. I’m pretty sure they are the experts. | |||
"Or so it went. Remainers said “oh no they don’t” Brexiters said “oh yes they do” So who was right? Well, on Brexit day the EU dutifully applied the appropriate non-tariff barriers to imports from the U.K. and thereby on the face of it exposed themselves to ‘massive’ losses of U.K. imports. The U.K. meanwhile have put off applying and Policing import barriers for fear of the U.K. running out of food. Looks like we actually do need them more than they need us in this instance. Are there any more ridiculous Brexit slogans that are already being proven to be more than a little bit bollocks? Some remainers think it's all good fun to talk the country down, scaremonger, restart project fear etc etc It really grinds my gears though when they make stuff up about food security. I know some of the top farming experts and we easily produce enough food to be self sufficient. Yes the produce will be as nature intended, more seasonal, but carrots and many other foods are now grown year round. Anyway carry on with your salty tears.
Actually we are capable of 64% self sufficiency at the moment according to the NFU. I’m pretty sure they are the experts.
"Sadly, Brexiteers have never been strong on facts | |||
"The UK leaving the EU was the best move without a doubt, this will be far more apparent to the skeptics with time, even though they probably will never admit it lol. The UK is strong enough to stand on it's own feet again, they just forgot how for awhile. There will be others who will remember they can stand on their own feet again too, and they will leave the EU as well, just wait and see. Slogans aside. Can you give a real life example of why it was a good move to leave the UK? Preferably something that offsets the job losses, business closures, businesses relocating to the EU, our loss of freedom to live and work in EU countries, the devaluation of the pound and the long term impact to the economy. " Business start ups. | |||
"Or so it went. Remainers said “oh no they don’t” Brexiters said “oh yes they do” So who was right? Well, on Brexit day the EU dutifully applied the appropriate non-tariff barriers to imports from the U.K. and thereby on the face of it exposed themselves to ‘massive’ losses of U.K. imports. The U.K. meanwhile have put off applying and Policing import barriers for fear of the U.K. running out of food. Looks like we actually do need them more than they need us in this instance. Are there any more ridiculous Brexit slogans that are already being proven to be more than a little bit bollocks? Erm that one with 350 million on the side of a coach springs to mind...........
Well that was true so
£350 million x 52 is £18.2 billion, try again Chris
Well it was 19 billion so close ebough
We have never paid £19 billion, try again Chris
I prefer the term "been chiseled out of" to paid and I want it all back.
Would that be a 100% lie Chris?
I think there's a case for asking for all our contributions over 44 years to be paid back, I think that's about 260 billion, on the basis that the EU has achieved nothing and its a declining percentage of world trade.
Don’t you think the EU might ask for all the funds they ploughed into the UK to be paid back? I can’t see Boris replicating Regional Development Funds ". Boris is attempting to initiate massive infrastructure development. A good example is the floating tunnel between Northern Ireland and the UK. | |||
"The UK leaving the EU was the best move without a doubt, this will be far more apparent to the skeptics with time, even though they probably will never admit it lol. The UK is strong enough to stand on it's own feet again, they just forgot how for awhile. There will be others who will remember they can stand on their own feet again too, and they will leave the EU as well, just wait and see. Slogans aside. Can you give a real life example of why it was a good move to leave the UK? Preferably something that offsets the job losses, business closures, businesses relocating to the EU, our loss of freedom to live and work in EU countries, the devaluation of the pound and the long term impact to the economy. Business start ups. " Feels like there was going to be something there. Do you want to elaborate? | |||
"Or so it went. Remainers said “oh no they don’t” Brexiters said “oh yes they do” So who was right? Well, on Brexit day the EU dutifully applied the appropriate non-tariff barriers to imports from the U.K. and thereby on the face of it exposed themselves to ‘massive’ losses of U.K. imports. The U.K. meanwhile have put off applying and Policing import barriers for fear of the U.K. running out of food. Looks like we actually do need them more than they need us in this instance. Are there any more ridiculous Brexit slogans that are already being proven to be more than a little bit bollocks? Erm that one with 350 million on the side of a coach springs to mind...........
Well that was true so
£350 million x 52 is £18.2 billion, try again Chris
Well it was 19 billion so close ebough
We have never paid £19 billion, try again Chris
I prefer the term "been chiseled out of" to paid and I want it all back.
Would that be a 100% lie Chris?
I think there's a case for asking for all our contributions over 44 years to be paid back, I think that's about 260 billion, on the basis that the EU has achieved nothing and its a declining percentage of world trade.
Don’t you think the EU might ask for all the funds they ploughed into the UK to be paid back? I can’t see Boris replicating Regional Development Funds . Boris is attempting to initiate massive infrastructure development. A good example is the floating tunnel between Northern Ireland and the UK. "It will be a bit like every other one of his idiotic ideas - Thames Garden Bridge, Thames Estuary Airport - his only history in this space is waffle & BS. He isnot credible in doing anything | |||
"Or so it went. Remainers said “oh no they don’t” Brexiters said “oh yes they do” So who was right? Well, on Brexit day the EU dutifully applied the appropriate non-tariff barriers to imports from the U.K. and thereby on the face of it exposed themselves to ‘massive’ losses of U.K. imports. The U.K. meanwhile have put off applying and Policing import barriers for fear of the U.K. running out of food. Looks like we actually do need them more than they need us in this instance. Are there any more ridiculous Brexit slogans that are already being proven to be more than a little bit bollocks? Some remainers think it's all good fun to talk the country down, scaremonger, restart project fear etc etc It really grinds my gears though when they make stuff up about food security. I know some of the top farming experts and we easily produce enough food to be self sufficient. Yes the produce will be as nature intended, more seasonal, but carrots and many other foods are now grown year round. Anyway carry on with your salty tears.
Actually we are capable of 64% self sufficiency at the moment according to the NFU. I’m pretty sure they are the experts.
Sadly, Brexiteers have never been strong on facts "Sadly this is the danger of the Hoi polloi being given access to stats, complete misunderstanding and inability to process. I will try to explain in laymen’s terms. The NFU 64% figure is simply a measure of how much food is currently imported, 36% by value, for example French foie gras, Spanish oranges, Bolivian chickens. A reflection of seasonal demand and EU overproduction incentives if you like. It is NOT a measure of UK food production capacity. Total calorific value production capacity of the UK is at least 120 to 140% of the UK’s needs. Thought provoking, isn’t it. | |||
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"Or so it went. Remainers said “oh no they don’t” Brexiters said “oh yes they do” So who was right? Well, on Brexit day the EU dutifully applied the appropriate non-tariff barriers to imports from the U.K. and thereby on the face of it exposed themselves to ‘massive’ losses of U.K. imports. The U.K. meanwhile have put off applying and Policing import barriers for fear of the U.K. running out of food. Looks like we actually do need them more than they need us in this instance. Are there any more ridiculous Brexit slogans that are already being proven to be more than a little bit bollocks? Erm that one with 350 million on the side of a coach springs to mind...........
Well that was true so
£350 million x 52 is £18.2 billion, try again Chris
Well it was 19 billion so close ebough
We have never paid £19 billion, try again Chris
I prefer the term "been chiseled out of" to paid and I want it all back.
Would that be a 100% lie Chris?
I think there's a case for asking for all our contributions over 44 years to be paid back, I think that's about 260 billion, on the basis that the EU has achieved nothing and its a declining percentage of world trade.
Don’t you think the EU might ask for all the funds they ploughed into the UK to be paid back? I can’t see Boris replicating Regional Development Funds . Boris is attempting to initiate massive infrastructure development. A good example is the floating tunnel between Northern Ireland and the UK.
It will be a bit like every other one of his idiotic ideas - Thames Garden Bridge, Thames Estuary Airport - his only history in this space is waffle & BS. He isnot credible in doing anything ". I would be surprised if the residents of either Northern Ireland or Scotland agreed with you. Technology has moved on and a floating tunnel is now feasible. Hence the current feasibility study now being undertaken. | |||
"Or so it went. Remainers said “oh no they don’t” Brexiters said “oh yes they do” So who was right? Well, on Brexit day the EU dutifully applied the appropriate non-tariff barriers to imports from the U.K. and thereby on the face of it exposed themselves to ‘massive’ losses of U.K. imports. The U.K. meanwhile have put off applying and Policing import barriers for fear of the U.K. running out of food. Looks like we actually do need them more than they need us in this instance. Are there any more ridiculous Brexit slogans that are already being proven to be more than a little bit bollocks? Erm that one with 350 million on the side of a coach springs to mind...........
Well that was true so
£350 million x 52 is £18.2 billion, try again Chris
Well it was 19 billion so close ebough
We have never paid £19 billion, try again Chris
I prefer the term "been chiseled out of" to paid and I want it all back.
Would that be a 100% lie Chris?
I think there's a case for asking for all our contributions over 44 years to be paid back, I think that's about 260 billion, on the basis that the EU has achieved nothing and its a declining percentage of world trade.
Don’t you think the EU might ask for all the funds they ploughed into the UK to be paid back? I can’t see Boris replicating Regional Development Funds . Boris is attempting to initiate massive infrastructure development. A good example is the floating tunnel between Northern Ireland and the UK.
It will be a bit like every other one of his idiotic ideas - Thames Garden Bridge, Thames Estuary Airport - his only history in this space is waffle & BS. He isnot credible in doing anything . I would be surprised if the residents of either Northern Ireland or Scotland agreed with you. Technology has moved on and a floating tunnel is now feasible. Hence the current feasibility study now being undertaken. "It is neither feasible, nor necessary. The R Navy put a load of Nuclear Submarines through this gap, putting a submerged floating tunnel in the way is stupid in the extreme. Another stupid idea | |||
"Or so it went. Remainers said “oh no they don’t” Brexiters said “oh yes they do” So who was right? Well, on Brexit day the EU dutifully applied the appropriate non-tariff barriers to imports from the U.K. and thereby on the face of it exposed themselves to ‘massive’ losses of U.K. imports. The U.K. meanwhile have put off applying and Policing import barriers for fear of the U.K. running out of food. Looks like we actually do need them more than they need us in this instance. Are there any more ridiculous Brexit slogans that are already being proven to be more than a little bit bollocks? Some remainers think it's all good fun to talk the country down, scaremonger, restart project fear etc etc It really grinds my gears though when they make stuff up about food security. I know some of the top farming experts and we easily produce enough food to be self sufficient. Yes the produce will be as nature intended, more seasonal, but carrots and many other foods are now grown year round. Anyway carry on with your salty tears.
Actually we are capable of 64% self sufficiency at the moment according to the NFU. I’m pretty sure they are the experts.
Sadly, Brexiteers have never been strong on facts "There are some products we produce more than we consume,lamb being one plus some particular cereals, some products we are short of, such as dairy products. Some products we cant produce here, soya being the main one, a few try but our climate isn't good enough, some years we dont get the weather to produce enough quality milling wheat, some of this could be addressed but there are too many idiots in charge and influencing ag policy . | |||
"Or so it went. Remainers said “oh no they don’t” Brexiters said “oh yes they do” So who was right? Well, on Brexit day the EU dutifully applied the appropriate non-tariff barriers to imports from the U.K. and thereby on the face of it exposed themselves to ‘massive’ losses of U.K. imports. The U.K. meanwhile have put off applying and Policing import barriers for fear of the U.K. running out of food. Looks like we actually do need them more than they need us in this instance. Are there any more ridiculous Brexit slogans that are already being proven to be more than a little bit bollocks? Some remainers think it's all good fun to talk the country down, scaremonger, restart project fear etc etc It really grinds my gears though when they make stuff up about food security. I know some of the top farming experts and we easily produce enough food to be self sufficient. Yes the produce will be as nature intended, more seasonal, but carrots and many other foods are now grown year round. Anyway carry on with your salty tears.
Actually we are capable of 64% self sufficiency at the moment according to the NFU. I’m pretty sure they are the experts.
Sadly, Brexiteers have never been strong on facts
Sadly this is the danger of the Hoi polloi being given access to stats, complete misunderstanding and inability to process.
I will try to explain in laymen’s terms.
The NFU 64% figure is simply a measure of how much food is currently imported, 36% by value, for example French foie gras, Spanish oranges, Bolivian chickens. A reflection of seasonal demand and EU overproduction incentives if you like.
It is NOT a measure of UK food production capacity. Total calorific value production capacity of the UK is at least 120 to 140% of the UK’s needs. Thought provoking, isn’t it.
"Only if you wish to turn out lights and stop chemical production . A large swathe of land on the U.K. is industrial production and actually crops for power stations such as Miscanthus grass. Much bigger is the amount of crops for the manufacturing industry. So if we turn all the land to food which is seasonal let’s not forget, (very limited choice in tne winter) we will be stopping industrial production putting tens of thousands of jobs at risk. But hey we will have potatoes and a few hundred farm contractors . Economy sorted then!! Your economics professors must be on holiday! | |||
"Or so it went. Remainers said “oh no they don’t” Brexiters said “oh yes they do” So who was right? Well, on Brexit day the EU dutifully applied the appropriate non-tariff barriers to imports from the U.K. and thereby on the face of it exposed themselves to ‘massive’ losses of U.K. imports. The U.K. meanwhile have put off applying and Policing import barriers for fear of the U.K. running out of food. Looks like we actually do need them more than they need us in this instance. Are there any more ridiculous Brexit slogans that are already being proven to be more than a little bit bollocks? Erm that one with 350 million on the side of a coach springs to mind...........
Well that was true so
£350 million x 52 is £18.2 billion, try again Chris
Well it was 19 billion so close ebough
We have never paid £19 billion, try again Chris
I prefer the term "been chiseled out of" to paid and I want it all back.
Would that be a 100% lie Chris?
I think there's a case for asking for all our contributions over 44 years to be paid back, I think that's about 260 billion, on the basis that the EU has achieved nothing and its a declining percentage of world trade.
Don’t you think the EU might ask for all the funds they ploughed into the UK to be paid back? I can’t see Boris replicating Regional Development Funds . Boris is attempting to initiate massive infrastructure development. A good example is the floating tunnel between Northern Ireland and the UK.
It will be a bit like every other one of his idiotic ideas - Thames Garden Bridge, Thames Estuary Airport - his only history in this space is waffle & BS. He isnot credible in doing anything . I would be surprised if the residents of either Northern Ireland or Scotland agreed with you. Technology has moved on and a floating tunnel is now feasible. Hence the current feasibility study now being undertaken. "Technically we can build a footbridge from Norwich to Bristol but that would also be an economic disaster . | |||
"Or so it went. Remainers said “oh no they don’t” Brexiters said “oh yes they do” So who was right? Well, on Brexit day the EU dutifully applied the appropriate non-tariff barriers to imports from the U.K. and thereby on the face of it exposed themselves to ‘massive’ losses of U.K. imports. The U.K. meanwhile have put off applying and Policing import barriers for fear of the U.K. running out of food. Looks like we actually do need them more than they need us in this instance. Are there any more ridiculous Brexit slogans that are already being proven to be more than a little bit bollocks? Erm that one with 350 million on the side of a coach springs to mind...........
Well that was true so
£350 million x 52 is £18.2 billion, try again Chris
Well it was 19 billion so close ebough
We have never paid £19 billion, try again Chris
I prefer the term "been chiseled out of" to paid and I want it all back.
Would that be a 100% lie Chris?
I think there's a case for asking for all our contributions over 44 years to be paid back, I think that's about 260 billion, on the basis that the EU has achieved nothing and its a declining percentage of world trade.
Don’t you think the EU might ask for all the funds they ploughed into the UK to be paid back? I can’t see Boris replicating Regional Development Funds . Boris is attempting to initiate massive infrastructure development. A good example is the floating tunnel between Northern Ireland and the UK.
It will be a bit like every other one of his idiotic ideas - Thames Garden Bridge, Thames Estuary Airport - his only history in this space is waffle & BS. He isnot credible in doing anything . I would be surprised if the residents of either Northern Ireland or Scotland agreed with you. Technology has moved on and a floating tunnel is now feasible. Hence the current feasibility study now being undertaken. "This clusterfuck of an idea for wasting billions on a pointless tunnel is being floated as an example of Brexit being a good idea? Amazing. | |||
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"Manufacturing PMI at a decade high in March as "growth of output, new orders and employment gather pace", with "export orders bouncing back across the board, including from the EU" "The index hit 58.9 , the highest since February 2011. Any reading over 50 indicates growth. Bussiness optimism hit a seven year high while employment in manufacturing rose at its fastest rate for seven years. Just as well we do not pay too much attention to the merchants of doom and gloom. Had we done so , we would have cashed in our pension funds and savings and would now be siting on massive losses ( in addition to missing out on the best performing stock market in January for 20 years ). | |||
"Manufacturing PMI at a decade high in March as "growth of output, new orders and employment gather pace", with "export orders bouncing back across the board, including from the EU" "So the 17% of our economy is growing back after Covid great. As this was actually 18-19% of our economy 10 years ago the figure is still less. Now how’s the 71% which is services doing? Interesting given banking restrictions in the EU now. Looks like that part of the oven ready deal isn’t going to happen. Boris lies and devotees think all’s well with the world. I’m pleased manufacturing is doing better genuinely but given the tories have based our future for the last 40 years on services it’s a mute point. | |||
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"Or so it went. Remainers said “oh no they don’t” Brexiters said “oh yes they do” So who was right? Well, on Brexit day the EU dutifully applied the appropriate non-tariff barriers to imports from the U.K. and thereby on the face of it exposed themselves to ‘massive’ losses of U.K. imports. The U.K. meanwhile have put off applying and Policing import barriers for fear of the U.K. running out of food. Looks like we actually do need them more than they need us in this instance. Are there any more ridiculous Brexit slogans that are already being proven to be more than a little bit bollocks? Some remainers think it's all good fun to talk the country down, scaremonger, restart project fear etc etc It really grinds my gears though when they make stuff up about food security. I know some of the top farming experts and we easily produce enough food to be self sufficient. Yes the produce will be as nature intended, more seasonal, but carrots and many other foods are now grown year round. Anyway carry on with your salty tears.
Actually we are capable of 64% self sufficiency at the moment according to the NFU. I’m pretty sure they are the experts.
Sadly, Brexiteers have never been strong on facts
Sadly this is the danger of the Hoi polloi being given access to stats, complete misunderstanding and inability to process.
I will try to explain in laymen’s terms.
The NFU 64% figure is simply a measure of how much food is currently imported, 36% by value, for example French foie gras, Spanish oranges, Bolivian chickens. A reflection of seasonal demand and EU overproduction incentives if you like.
It is NOT a measure of UK food production capacity. Total calorific value production capacity of the UK is at least 120 to 140% of the UK’s needs. Thought provoking, isn’t it.
Only if you wish to turn out lights and stop chemical production .
A large swathe of land on the U.K. is industrial production and actually crops for power stations such as Miscanthus grass.
Much bigger is the amount of crops for the manufacturing industry.
So if we turn all the land to food which is seasonal let’s not forget, (very limited choice in tne winter) we will be stopping industrial production putting tens of thousands of jobs at risk. But hey we will have potatoes and a few hundred farm contractors . Economy sorted then!!
Your economics professors must be on holiday!
"What crops for manufacturing? | |||
"Or so it went. Remainers said “oh no they don’t” Brexiters said “oh yes they do” So who was right? Well, on Brexit day the EU dutifully applied the appropriate non-tariff barriers to imports from the U.K. and thereby on the face of it exposed themselves to ‘massive’ losses of U.K. imports. The U.K. meanwhile have put off applying and Policing import barriers for fear of the U.K. running out of food. Looks like we actually do need them more than they need us in this instance. Are there any more ridiculous Brexit slogans that are already being proven to be more than a little bit bollocks? Some remainers think it's all good fun to talk the country down, scaremonger, restart project fear etc etc It really grinds my gears though when they make stuff up about food security. I know some of the top farming experts and we easily produce enough food to be self sufficient. Yes the produce will be as nature intended, more seasonal, but carrots and many other foods are now grown year round. Anyway carry on with your salty tears.
Actually we are capable of 64% self sufficiency at the moment according to the NFU. I’m pretty sure they are the experts.
Sadly, Brexiteers have never been strong on facts
Sadly this is the danger of the Hoi polloi being given access to stats, complete misunderstanding and inability to process.
I will try to explain in laymen’s terms.
The NFU 64% figure is simply a measure of how much food is currently imported, 36% by value, for example French foie gras, Spanish oranges, Bolivian chickens. A reflection of seasonal demand and EU overproduction incentives if you like.
It is NOT a measure of UK food production capacity. Total calorific value production capacity of the UK is at least 120 to 140% of the UK’s needs. Thought provoking, isn’t it.
Only if you wish to turn out lights and stop chemical production .
A large swathe of land on the U.K. is industrial production and actually crops for power stations such as Miscanthus grass.
Much bigger is the amount of crops for the manufacturing industry.
So if we turn all the land to food which is seasonal let’s not forget, (very limited choice in tne winter) we will be stopping industrial production putting tens of thousands of jobs at risk. But hey we will have potatoes and a few hundred farm contractors . Economy sorted then!!
Your economics professors must be on holiday!
What crops for manufacturing?"Quote from Gov website to help Non-food crops can be used to make a wide range of products, such as: lubricants and waxes surfactants, ie wetting agents surface/paper coatings printing inks pharmaceuticals and nutritional supplements cosmetics essential oils fragrances flavourings dyes adhesives packaging/compostable plastics building materials biocomposites Bio fuels is fast growing too. It’s a bit like pig farming is used for far more than pork. Interesting reading . | |||
"Or so it went. Remainers said “oh no they don’t” Brexiters said “oh yes they do” So who was right? Well, on Brexit day the EU dutifully applied the appropriate non-tariff barriers to imports from the U.K. and thereby on the face of it exposed themselves to ‘massive’ losses of U.K. imports. The U.K. meanwhile have put off applying and Policing import barriers for fear of the U.K. running out of food. Looks like we actually do need them more than they need us in this instance. Are there any more ridiculous Brexit slogans that are already being proven to be more than a little bit bollocks? Some remainers think it's all good fun to talk the country down, scaremonger, restart project fear etc etc It really grinds my gears though when they make stuff up about food security. I know some of the top farming experts and we easily produce enough food to be self sufficient. Yes the produce will be as nature intended, more seasonal, but carrots and many other foods are now grown year round. Anyway carry on with your salty tears.
Actually we are capable of 64% self sufficiency at the moment according to the NFU. I’m pretty sure they are the experts.
Sadly, Brexiteers have never been strong on facts
Sadly this is the danger of the Hoi polloi being given access to stats, complete misunderstanding and inability to process.
I will try to explain in laymen’s terms.
The NFU 64% figure is simply a measure of how much food is currently imported, 36% by value, for example French foie gras, Spanish oranges, Bolivian chickens. A reflection of seasonal demand and EU overproduction incentives if you like.
It is NOT a measure of UK food production capacity. Total calorific value production capacity of the UK is at least 120 to 140% of the UK’s needs. Thought provoking, isn’t it.
Only if you wish to turn out lights and stop chemical production .
A large swathe of land on the U.K. is industrial production and actually crops for power stations such as Miscanthus grass.
Much bigger is the amount of crops for the manufacturing industry.
So if we turn all the land to food which is seasonal let’s not forget, (very limited choice in tne winter) we will be stopping industrial production putting tens of thousands of jobs at risk. But hey we will have potatoes and a few hundred farm contractors . Economy sorted then!!
Your economics professors must be on holiday!
What crops for manufacturing?
Quote from Gov website to help
Non-food crops can be used to make a wide range of products, such as:
lubricants and waxes
surfactants, ie wetting agents
surface/paper coatings
printing inks
pharmaceuticals and nutritional supplements
cosmetics
essential oils
fragrances
flavourings
dyes
adhesives
packaging/compostable plastics
building materials
biocomposites
Bio fuels is fast growing too.
It’s a bit like pig farming is used for far more than pork. Interesting reading . "They are all very niche products. | |||
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"Bio fuels arent going to grow with wheat prices where they are and bio diesel is going backwards osr is near impossible to grow now due to flea and pollen beetle " Wheat is short team . Bio digestion is 10 year deals . Food waste is becoming valuable. Bio diesel isn’t the market . Hydrogen is. | |||
"Or so it went. Remainers said “oh no they don’t” Brexiters said “oh yes they do” So who was right? Well, on Brexit day the EU dutifully applied the appropriate non-tariff barriers to imports from the U.K. and thereby on the face of it exposed themselves to ‘massive’ losses of U.K. imports. The U.K. meanwhile have put off applying and Policing import barriers for fear of the U.K. running out of food. Looks like we actually do need them more than they need us in this instance. Are there any more ridiculous Brexit slogans that are already being proven to be more than a little bit bollocks? Some remainers think it's all good fun to talk the country down, scaremonger, restart project fear etc etc It really grinds my gears though when they make stuff up about food security. I know some of the top farming experts and we easily produce enough food to be self sufficient. Yes the produce will be as nature intended, more seasonal, but carrots and many other foods are now grown year round. Anyway carry on with your salty tears.
Actually we are capable of 64% self sufficiency at the moment according to the NFU. I’m pretty sure they are the experts.
Sadly, Brexiteers have never been strong on facts
Sadly this is the danger of the Hoi polloi being given access to stats, complete misunderstanding and inability to process.
I will try to explain in laymen’s terms.
The NFU 64% figure is simply a measure of how much food is currently imported, 36% by value, for example French foie gras, Spanish oranges, Bolivian chickens. A reflection of seasonal demand and EU overproduction incentives if you like.
It is NOT a measure of UK food production capacity. Total calorific value production capacity of the UK is at least 120 to 140% of the UK’s needs. Thought provoking, isn’t it.
Only if you wish to turn out lights and stop chemical production .
A large swathe of land on the U.K. is industrial production and actually crops for power stations such as Miscanthus grass.
Much bigger is the amount of crops for the manufacturing industry.
So if we turn all the land to food which is seasonal let’s not forget, (very limited choice in tne winter) we will be stopping industrial production putting tens of thousands of jobs at risk. But hey we will have potatoes and a few hundred farm contractors . Economy sorted then!!
Your economics professors must be on holiday!
What crops for manufacturing?
Quote from Gov website to help
Non-food crops can be used to make a wide range of products, such as:
lubricants and waxes
surfactants, ie wetting agents
surface/paper coatings
printing inks
pharmaceuticals and nutritional supplements
cosmetics
essential oils
fragrances
flavourings
dyes
adhesives
packaging/compostable plastics
building materials
biocomposites
Bio fuels is fast growing too.
It’s a bit like pig farming is used for far more than pork. Interesting reading .
They are all very niche products."They are valuable and contractible unlike food crops. | |||
"Or so it went. Remainers said “oh no they don’t” Brexiters said “oh yes they do” So who was right? Well, on Brexit day the EU dutifully applied the appropriate non-tariff barriers to imports from the U.K. and thereby on the face of it exposed themselves to ‘massive’ losses of U.K. imports. The U.K. meanwhile have put off applying and Policing import barriers for fear of the U.K. running out of food. Looks like we actually do need them more than they need us in this instance. Are there any more ridiculous Brexit slogans that are already being proven to be more than a little bit bollocks? Some remainers think it's all good fun to talk the country down, scaremonger, restart project fear etc etc It really grinds my gears though when they make stuff up about food security. I know some of the top farming experts and we easily produce enough food to be self sufficient. Yes the produce will be as nature intended, more seasonal, but carrots and many other foods are now grown year round. Anyway carry on with your salty tears.
Actually we are capable of 64% self sufficiency at the moment according to the NFU. I’m pretty sure they are the experts.
Sadly, Brexiteers have never been strong on facts
Sadly this is the danger of the Hoi polloi being given access to stats, complete misunderstanding and inability to process.
I will try to explain in laymen’s terms.
The NFU 64% figure is simply a measure of how much food is currently imported, 36% by value, for example French foie gras, Spanish oranges, Bolivian chickens. A reflection of seasonal demand and EU overproduction incentives if you like.
It is NOT a measure of UK food production capacity. Total calorific value production capacity of the UK is at least 120 to 140% of the UK’s needs. Thought provoking, isn’t it.
Only if you wish to turn out lights and stop chemical production .
A large swathe of land on the U.K. is industrial production and actually crops for power stations such as Miscanthus grass.
Much bigger is the amount of crops for the manufacturing industry.
So if we turn all the land to food which is seasonal let’s not forget, (very limited choice in tne winter) we will be stopping industrial production putting tens of thousands of jobs at risk. But hey we will have potatoes and a few hundred farm contractors . Economy sorted then!!
Your economics professors must be on holiday!
What crops for manufacturing?
Quote from Gov website to help
Non-food crops can be used to make a wide range of products, such as:
lubricants and waxes
surfactants, ie wetting agents
surface/paper coatings
printing inks
pharmaceuticals and nutritional supplements
cosmetics
essential oils
fragrances
flavourings
dyes
adhesives
packaging/compostable plastics
building materials
biocomposites
Bio fuels is fast growing too.
It’s a bit like pig farming is used for far more than pork. Interesting reading .
They are all very niche products.
They are valuable and contractible unlike food crops.
"Any crop is contractible, the wheat we grow is contracted to warburtons among others, most crops are contracted via our central store which uses a farmer owned selling group handling a large percentage of uk crops, all the ones you mention are grown on a tiny acreage in comparison, although some have potential as break crops, bio digestors using mainly maize are profitable but not very environmentally friendly especially in wet autumns. Most of the things you mention use by products of food production, cosmetics for instance, not many ladies know that chicken guts are used in make up, but as I said they are niche | |||
"Or so it went. Remainers said “oh no they don’t” Brexiters said “oh yes they do” So who was right? Well, on Brexit day the EU dutifully applied the appropriate non-tariff barriers to imports from the U.K. and thereby on the face of it exposed themselves to ‘massive’ losses of U.K. imports. The U.K. meanwhile have put off applying and Policing import barriers for fear of the U.K. running out of food. Looks like we actually do need them more than they need us in this instance. Are there any more ridiculous Brexit slogans that are already being proven to be more than a little bit bollocks? Some remainers think it's all good fun to talk the country down, scaremonger, restart project fear etc etc It really grinds my gears though when they make stuff up about food security. I know some of the top farming experts and we easily produce enough food to be self sufficient. Yes the produce will be as nature intended, more seasonal, but carrots and many other foods are now grown year round. Anyway carry on with your salty tears.
Actually we are capable of 64% self sufficiency at the moment according to the NFU. I’m pretty sure they are the experts.
Sadly, Brexiteers have never been strong on facts
Sadly this is the danger of the Hoi polloi being given access to stats, complete misunderstanding and inability to process.
I will try to explain in laymen’s terms.
The NFU 64% figure is simply a measure of how much food is currently imported, 36% by value, for example French foie gras, Spanish oranges, Bolivian chickens. A reflection of seasonal demand and EU overproduction incentives if you like.
It is NOT a measure of UK food production capacity. Total calorific value production capacity of the UK is at least 120 to 140% of the UK’s needs. Thought provoking, isn’t it.
Only if you wish to turn out lights and stop chemical production .
A large swathe of land on the U.K. is industrial production and actually crops for power stations such as Miscanthus grass.
Much bigger is the amount of crops for the manufacturing industry.
So if we turn all the land to food which is seasonal let’s not forget, (very limited choice in tne winter) we will be stopping industrial production putting tens of thousands of jobs at risk. But hey we will have potatoes and a few hundred farm contractors . Economy sorted then!!
Your economics professors must be on holiday!
What crops for manufacturing?
Quote from Gov website to help
Non-food crops can be used to make a wide range of products, such as:
lubricants and waxes
surfactants, ie wetting agents
surface/paper coatings
printing inks
pharmaceuticals and nutritional supplements
cosmetics
essential oils
fragrances
flavourings
dyes
adhesives
packaging/compostable plastics
building materials
biocomposites
Bio fuels is fast growing too.
It’s a bit like pig farming is used for far more than pork. Interesting reading .
They are all very niche products.
They are valuable and contractible unlike food crops.
Any crop is contractible, the wheat we grow is contracted to warburtons among others, most crops are contracted via our central store which uses a farmer owned selling group handling a large percentage of uk crops, all the ones you mention are grown on a tiny acreage in comparison, although some have potential as break crops, bio digestors using mainly maize are profitable but not very environmentally friendly especially in wet autumns.
Most of the things you mention use by products of food production, cosmetics for instance, not many ladies know that chicken guts are used in make up, but as I said they are niche "Any crop is contractable true but tell if Warburtons guarantee the price or guarantee to buy? Now tell me how many people are employed in farming then tell me how many are employed in the “niche” industries? If their production moves its a lot of jobs. Maize is becoming too expensive for large scale bio digesters so you’re talking small scale localised production aren’t you? Sugar beet has high tonnage yields but some waste crops such as rice husks give a better return but are again being priced out of the general market in bio fuels. . Over the next three years you will see a huge scale up of the size of plants which will use wood, paper, general food wastes. It’s not to produce what you expect. It’s for specialist fuels not bulk general. | |||
"Or so it went. Remainers said “oh no they don’t” Brexiters said “oh yes they do” So who was right? Well, on Brexit day the EU dutifully applied the appropriate non-tariff barriers to imports from the U.K. and thereby on the face of it exposed themselves to ‘massive’ losses of U.K. imports. The U.K. meanwhile have put off applying and Policing import barriers for fear of the U.K. running out of food. Looks like we actually do need them more than they need us in this instance. Are there any more ridiculous Brexit slogans that are already being proven to be more than a little bit bollocks? Some remainers think it's all good fun to talk the country down, scaremonger, restart project fear etc etc It really grinds my gears though when they make stuff up about food security. I know some of the top farming experts and we easily produce enough food to be self sufficient. Yes the produce will be as nature intended, more seasonal, but carrots and many other foods are now grown year round. Anyway carry on with your salty tears.
Actually we are capable of 64% self sufficiency at the moment according to the NFU. I’m pretty sure they are the experts.
"Happy with 64%? ONLY! It should be 100% typical right wing brexit bullshit, making you feel happy with a lot less fuck that! | |||
"Or so it went. Remainers said “oh no they don’t” Brexiters said “oh yes they do” So who was right? Well, on Brexit day the EU dutifully applied the appropriate non-tariff barriers to imports from the U.K. and thereby on the face of it exposed themselves to ‘massive’ losses of U.K. imports. The U.K. meanwhile have put off applying and Policing import barriers for fear of the U.K. running out of food. Looks like we actually do need them more than they need us in this instance. Are there any more ridiculous Brexit slogans that are already being proven to be more than a little bit bollocks? Some remainers think it's all good fun to talk the country down, scaremonger, restart project fear etc etc It really grinds my gears though when they make stuff up about food security. I know some of the top farming experts and we easily produce enough food to be self sufficient. Yes the produce will be as nature intended, more seasonal, but carrots and many other foods are now grown year round. Anyway carry on with your salty tears.
Actually we are capable of 64% self sufficiency at the moment according to the NFU. I’m pretty sure they are the experts.
Sadly, Brexiteers have never been strong on facts
Sadly this is the danger of the Hoi polloi being given access to stats, complete misunderstanding and inability to process.
I will try to explain in laymen’s terms.
The NFU 64% figure is simply a measure of how much food is currently imported, 36% by value, for example French foie gras, Spanish oranges, Bolivian chickens. A reflection of seasonal demand and EU overproduction incentives if you like.
It is NOT a measure of UK food production capacity. Total calorific value production capacity of the UK is at least 120 to 140% of the UK’s needs. Thought provoking, isn’t it.
Only if you wish to turn out lights and stop chemical production .
A large swathe of land on the U.K. is industrial production and actually crops for power stations such as Miscanthus grass.
Much bigger is the amount of crops for the manufacturing industry.
So if we turn all the land to food which is seasonal let’s not forget, (very limited choice in tne winter) we will be stopping industrial production putting tens of thousands of jobs at risk. But hey we will have potatoes and a few hundred farm contractors . Economy sorted then!!
Your economics professors must be on holiday!
What crops for manufacturing?
Quote from Gov website to help
Non-food crops can be used to make a wide range of products, such as:
lubricants and waxes
surfactants, ie wetting agents
surface/paper coatings
printing inks
pharmaceuticals and nutritional supplements
cosmetics
essential oils
fragrances
flavourings
dyes
adhesives
packaging/compostable plastics
building materials
biocomposites
Bio fuels is fast growing too.
It’s a bit like pig farming is used for far more than pork. Interesting reading .
They are all very niche products.
They are valuable and contractible unlike food crops.
Any crop is contractible, the wheat we grow is contracted to warburtons among others, most crops are contracted via our central store which uses a farmer owned selling group handling a large percentage of uk crops, all the ones you mention are grown on a tiny acreage in comparison, although some have potential as break crops, bio digestors using mainly maize are profitable but not very environmentally friendly especially in wet autumns.
Most of the things you mention use by products of food production, cosmetics for instance, not many ladies know that chicken guts are used in make up, but as I said they are niche
Any crop is contractable true but tell if Warburtons guarantee the price or guarantee to buy?
Now tell me how many people are employed in farming then tell me how many are employed in the “niche” industries? If their production moves its a lot of jobs.
Maize is becoming too expensive for large scale bio digesters so you’re talking small scale localised production aren’t you?
Sugar beet has high tonnage yields but some waste crops such as rice husks give a better return but are again being priced out of the general market in bio fuels. .
Over the next three years you will see a huge scale up of the size of plants which will use wood, paper, general food wastes. It’s not to produce what you expect. It’s for specialist fuels not bulk general. "Yes warburtons buy the agreed contract, that's the whole point of it, when I say niche I mean farm production wise not the businesses they sell the product into which often take small amounts of product and turn it into high price end products, some require specialised kit and agronomy, we dont have the natural climate for some of these such as soya where there would be a large market if/when varieties are capable of dealing with our maritime climate, at the moment they struggle. I think you are confused as to the maize that goes into digestors | |||
"Or so it went. Remainers said “oh no they don’t” Brexiters said “oh yes they do” So who was right? Well, on Brexit day the EU dutifully applied the appropriate non-tariff barriers to imports from the U.K. and thereby on the face of it exposed themselves to ‘massive’ losses of U.K. imports. The U.K. meanwhile have put off applying and Policing import barriers for fear of the U.K. running out of food. Looks like we actually do need them more than they need us in this instance. Are there any more ridiculous Brexit slogans that are already being proven to be more than a little bit bollocks? Some remainers think it's all good fun to talk the country down, scaremonger, restart project fear etc etc It really grinds my gears though when they make stuff up about food security. I know some of the top farming experts and we easily produce enough food to be self sufficient. Yes the produce will be as nature intended, more seasonal, but carrots and many other foods are now grown year round. Anyway carry on with your salty tears.
Actually we are capable of 64% self sufficiency at the moment according to the NFU. I’m pretty sure they are the experts.
Happy with 64%? ONLY! It should be 100% typical right wing brexit bullshit, making you feel happy with a lot less fuck that!"How are we going to increase that rate ? | |||
"Or so it went. Remainers said “oh no they don’t” Brexiters said “oh yes they do” So who was right? Well, on Brexit day the EU dutifully applied the appropriate non-tariff barriers to imports from the U.K. and thereby on the face of it exposed themselves to ‘massive’ losses of U.K. imports. The U.K. meanwhile have put off applying and Policing import barriers for fear of the U.K. running out of food. Looks like we actually do need them more than they need us in this instance. Are there any more ridiculous Brexit slogans that are already being proven to be more than a little bit bollocks? Some remainers think it's all good fun to talk the country down, scaremonger, restart project fear etc etc It really grinds my gears though when they make stuff up about food security. I know some of the top farming experts and we easily produce enough food to be self sufficient. Yes the produce will be as nature intended, more seasonal, but carrots and many other foods are now grown year round. Anyway carry on with your salty tears.
Actually we are capable of 64% self sufficiency at the moment according to the NFU. I’m pretty sure they are the experts.
Sadly, Brexiteers have never been strong on facts
Sadly this is the danger of the Hoi polloi being given access to stats, complete misunderstanding and inability to process.
I will try to explain in laymen’s terms.
The NFU 64% figure is simply a measure of how much food is currently imported, 36% by value, for example French foie gras, Spanish oranges, Bolivian chickens. A reflection of seasonal demand and EU overproduction incentives if you like.
It is NOT a measure of UK food production capacity. Total calorific value production capacity of the UK is at least 120 to 140% of the UK’s needs. Thought provoking, isn’t it.
Only if you wish to turn out lights and stop chemical production .
A large swathe of land on the U.K. is industrial production and actually crops for power stations such as Miscanthus grass.
Much bigger is the amount of crops for the manufacturing industry.
So if we turn all the land to food which is seasonal let’s not forget, (very limited choice in tne winter) we will be stopping industrial production putting tens of thousands of jobs at risk. But hey we will have potatoes and a few hundred farm contractors . Economy sorted then!!
Your economics professors must be on holiday!
What crops for manufacturing?
Quote from Gov website to help
Non-food crops can be used to make a wide range of products, such as:
lubricants and waxes
surfactants, ie wetting agents
surface/paper coatings
printing inks
pharmaceuticals and nutritional supplements
cosmetics
essential oils
fragrances
flavourings
dyes
adhesives
packaging/compostable plastics
building materials
biocomposites
Bio fuels is fast growing too.
It’s a bit like pig farming is used for far more than pork. Interesting reading .
They are all very niche products.
They are valuable and contractible unlike food crops.
Any crop is contractible, the wheat we grow is contracted to warburtons among others, most crops are contracted via our central store which uses a farmer owned selling group handling a large percentage of uk crops, all the ones you mention are grown on a tiny acreage in comparison, although some have potential as break crops, bio digestors using mainly maize are profitable but not very environmentally friendly especially in wet autumns.
Most of the things you mention use by products of food production, cosmetics for instance, not many ladies know that chicken guts are used in make up, but as I said they are niche
Any crop is contractable true but tell if Warburtons guarantee the price or guarantee to buy?
Now tell me how many people are employed in farming then tell me how many are employed in the “niche” industries? If their production moves its a lot of jobs.
Maize is becoming too expensive for large scale bio digesters so you’re talking small scale localised production aren’t you?
Sugar beet has high tonnage yields but some waste crops such as rice husks give a better return but are again being priced out of the general market in bio fuels. .
Over the next three years you will see a huge scale up of the size of plants which will use wood, paper, general food wastes. It’s not to produce what you expect. It’s for specialist fuels not bulk general.
Yes warburtons buy the agreed contract, that's the whole point of it, when I say niche I mean farm production wise not the businesses they sell the product into which often take small amounts of product and turn it into high price end products, some require specialised kit and agronomy, we dont have the natural climate for some of these such as soya where there would be a large market if/when varieties are capable of dealing with our maritime climate, at the moment they struggle.
I think you are confused as to the maize that goes into digestors
"Warburtons but yearly so they not?? | |||
"Or so it went. Remainers said “oh no they don’t” Brexiters said “oh yes they do” So who was right? Well, on Brexit day the EU dutifully applied the appropriate non-tariff barriers to imports from the U.K. and thereby on the face of it exposed themselves to ‘massive’ losses of U.K. imports. The U.K. meanwhile have put off applying and Policing import barriers for fear of the U.K. running out of food. Looks like we actually do need them more than they need us in this instance. Are there any more ridiculous Brexit slogans that are already being proven to be more than a little bit bollocks? Some remainers think it's all good fun to talk the country down, scaremonger, restart project fear etc etc It really grinds my gears though when they make stuff up about food security. I know some of the top farming experts and we easily produce enough food to be self sufficient. Yes the produce will be as nature intended, more seasonal, but carrots and many other foods are now grown year round. Anyway carry on with your salty tears.
Actually we are capable of 64% self sufficiency at the moment according to the NFU. I’m pretty sure they are the experts.
Sadly, Brexiteers have never been strong on facts
Sadly this is the danger of the Hoi polloi being given access to stats, complete misunderstanding and inability to process.
I will try to explain in laymen’s terms.
The NFU 64% figure is simply a measure of how much food is currently imported, 36% by value, for example French foie gras, Spanish oranges, Bolivian chickens. A reflection of seasonal demand and EU overproduction incentives if you like.
It is NOT a measure of UK food production capacity. Total calorific value production capacity of the UK is at least 120 to 140% of the UK’s needs. Thought provoking, isn’t it.
Only if you wish to turn out lights and stop chemical production .
A large swathe of land on the U.K. is industrial production and actually crops for power stations such as Miscanthus grass.
Much bigger is the amount of crops for the manufacturing industry.
So if we turn all the land to food which is seasonal let’s not forget, (very limited choice in tne winter) we will be stopping industrial production putting tens of thousands of jobs at risk. But hey we will have potatoes and a few hundred farm contractors . Economy sorted then!!
Your economics professors must be on holiday!
What crops for manufacturing?
Quote from Gov website to help
Non-food crops can be used to make a wide range of products, such as:
lubricants and waxes
surfactants, ie wetting agents
surface/paper coatings
printing inks
pharmaceuticals and nutritional supplements
cosmetics
essential oils
fragrances
flavourings
dyes
adhesives
packaging/compostable plastics
building materials
biocomposites
Bio fuels is fast growing too.
It’s a bit like pig farming is used for far more than pork. Interesting reading .
They are all very niche products.
They are valuable and contractible unlike food crops.
Any crop is contractible, the wheat we grow is contracted to warburtons among others, most crops are contracted via our central store which uses a farmer owned selling group handling a large percentage of uk crops, all the ones you mention are grown on a tiny acreage in comparison, although some have potential as break crops, bio digestors using mainly maize are profitable but not very environmentally friendly especially in wet autumns.
Most of the things you mention use by products of food production, cosmetics for instance, not many ladies know that chicken guts are used in make up, but as I said they are niche
Any crop is contractable true but tell if Warburtons guarantee the price or guarantee to buy?
Now tell me how many people are employed in farming then tell me how many are employed in the “niche” industries? If their production moves its a lot of jobs.
Maize is becoming too expensive for large scale bio digesters so you’re talking small scale localised production aren’t you?
Sugar beet has high tonnage yields but some waste crops such as rice husks give a better return but are again being priced out of the general market in bio fuels. .
Over the next three years you will see a huge scale up of the size of plants which will use wood, paper, general food wastes. It’s not to produce what you expect. It’s for specialist fuels not bulk general.
Yes warburtons buy the agreed contract, that's the whole point of it, when I say niche I mean farm production wise not the businesses they sell the product into which often take small amounts of product and turn it into high price end products, some require specialised kit and agronomy, we dont have the natural climate for some of these such as soya where there would be a large market if/when varieties are capable of dealing with our maritime climate, at the moment they struggle.
I think you are confused as to the maize that goes into digestors
"PS look up the uses for Linseed. Big crop production . Who knew ..oh yes lots of farmers. | |||
"Or so it went. Remainers said “oh no they don’t” Brexiters said “oh yes they do” So who was right? Well, on Brexit day the EU dutifully applied the appropriate non-tariff barriers to imports from the U.K. and thereby on the face of it exposed themselves to ‘massive’ losses of U.K. imports. The U.K. meanwhile have put off applying and Policing import barriers for fear of the U.K. running out of food. Looks like we actually do need them more than they need us in this instance. Are there any more ridiculous Brexit slogans that are already being proven to be more than a little bit bollocks? Some remainers think it's all good fun to talk the country down, scaremonger, restart project fear etc etc It really grinds my gears though when they make stuff up about food security. I know some of the top farming experts and we easily produce enough food to be self sufficient. Yes the produce will be as nature intended, more seasonal, but carrots and many other foods are now grown year round. Anyway carry on with your salty tears.
Actually we are capable of 64% self sufficiency at the moment according to the NFU. I’m pretty sure they are the experts.
Sadly, Brexiteers have never been strong on facts
Sadly this is the danger of the Hoi polloi being given access to stats, complete misunderstanding and inability to process.
I will try to explain in laymen’s terms.
The NFU 64% figure is simply a measure of how much food is currently imported, 36% by value, for example French foie gras, Spanish oranges, Bolivian chickens. A reflection of seasonal demand and EU overproduction incentives if you like.
It is NOT a measure of UK food production capacity. Total calorific value production capacity of the UK is at least 120 to 140% of the UK’s needs. Thought provoking, isn’t it.
Only if you wish to turn out lights and stop chemical production .
A large swathe of land on the U.K. is industrial production and actually crops for power stations such as Miscanthus grass.
Much bigger is the amount of crops for the manufacturing industry.
So if we turn all the land to food which is seasonal let’s not forget, (very limited choice in tne winter) we will be stopping industrial production putting tens of thousands of jobs at risk. But hey we will have potatoes and a few hundred farm contractors . Economy sorted then!!
Your economics professors must be on holiday!
What crops for manufacturing?
Quote from Gov website to help
Non-food crops can be used to make a wide range of products, such as:
lubricants and waxes
surfactants, ie wetting agents
surface/paper coatings
printing inks
pharmaceuticals and nutritional supplements
cosmetics
essential oils
fragrances
flavourings
dyes
adhesives
packaging/compostable plastics
building materials
biocomposites
Bio fuels is fast growing too.
It’s a bit like pig farming is used for far more than pork. Interesting reading .
They are all very niche products.
They are valuable and contractible unlike food crops.
Any crop is contractible, the wheat we grow is contracted to warburtons among others, most crops are contracted via our central store which uses a farmer owned selling group handling a large percentage of uk crops, all the ones you mention are grown on a tiny acreage in comparison, although some have potential as break crops, bio digestors using mainly maize are profitable but not very environmentally friendly especially in wet autumns.
Most of the things you mention use by products of food production, cosmetics for instance, not many ladies know that chicken guts are used in make up, but as I said they are niche
Any crop is contractable true but tell if Warburtons guarantee the price or guarantee to buy?
Now tell me how many people are employed in farming then tell me how many are employed in the “niche” industries? If their production moves its a lot of jobs.
Maize is becoming too expensive for large scale bio digesters so you’re talking small scale localised production aren’t you?
Sugar beet has high tonnage yields but some waste crops such as rice husks give a better return but are again being priced out of the general market in bio fuels. .
Over the next three years you will see a huge scale up of the size of plants which will use wood, paper, general food wastes. It’s not to produce what you expect. It’s for specialist fuels not bulk general.
Yes warburtons buy the agreed contract, that's the whole point of it, when I say niche I mean farm production wise not the businesses they sell the product into which often take small amounts of product and turn it into high price end products, some require specialised kit and agronomy, we dont have the natural climate for some of these such as soya where there would be a large market if/when varieties are capable of dealing with our maritime climate, at the moment they struggle.
I think you are confused as to the maize that goes into digestors
Warburtons but yearly so they not?? "Sorry two typos . They buy on a yearly contract so play the market . Industrial crops can sign a secure price for 10 years. | |||
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"Linseed is a tiny acerage, I've grown it a couple of times, but you need the right weather at harvest if you grow spring crops, winter is ok as long as you font get very cold winter, also you need ground that diesnt have a high black grass seed bank as it is a open growing crop that allows too much later season in, first year we grew it we had a great yield and very high price second year poor weather at harvest meant lots of seed shed and little profit, we havent grown any since 2013 as the straw is worthless, even drax doesnt buy it because it burns _oo hot, straw is our main profit area as we sell direct to the end user. I am not aware of a single crop that you can get a ten year contract on,these niche crops might sound like large areas but in comparison to mainstream crops they are tiny, the markets are small and any over supply can turn a profitable crop into a big loss. Agricultural production is unlike any other industry in that production can vary enormously from one year to another due to many factors including the weather, it's a very complex business, one I know very well. As for warburtons, price is not the main driver to the contracts our central store has with them, it's about variety pureness etc to make the correct mix for the grists they require for each product they make, each variety has different characteristics millers want thousands of tonnes that are exactly the same, "playing" the market to save a fraction of a penny per loaf is nothing compared to the savings made by having a consistent raw material. Look up camgrain colour sorter to see how high tech wheat production storage and grading is." Yes you’re right compared to wheat etc it is only around 25-30000 tons a year. It a good break crop isn’t it and can improve the follow on crops yield. Given it only produces aroun1-3 to per acre why would anyone bother? It’s because it’s a useful crop and gives the end user high value. ( not always the farmer ) Regarding Miscanthus, Lincolnshire has recently turned over huge acreage to producing this bio crop. It been contracted for 10 years to the Ferrybridge power plants. So an example of proper contracted production which is safer financially than the high risk of poor quality food crops which you mention. This reinforces my comment that industrial crops are more and more attractive to farmers. The changes now are that industry is contracting farmers directly to produce for industry. Given the complete lack of clarity over subsidies now we have left the EU business is having no problems convincing growers to sign up. | |||
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"very complex business, one I know very well. As for warburtons, price is not the main driver to the contracts our central store has with them, it's about variety pureness etc to make the correct mix for the grists they require for each product they make, each variety has different characteristics millers want thousands of tonnes that are exactly the same, "playing" the market to save a fraction of a penny per loaf is nothing compared to the savings made by having a consistent raw material. Look up camgrain colour sorter to see how high tech wheat production storage and grading is." Yes you’re right compared to wheat etc it is only around 25-30000 tons a year. It a good break crop isn’t it and can improve the follow on crops yield. Given it only produces aroun1-3 to per acre why would anyone bother? It’s because it’s a useful crop and gives the end user high value. ( not always the farmer ) Regarding Miscanthus, Lincolnshire has recently turned over huge acreage to producing this bio crop. It been contracted for 10 years to the Ferrybridge power plants. So an example of proper contracted production which is safer financially than the high risk of poor quality food crops which you mention. This reinforces my comment that industrial crops are more and more attractive to farmers. The changes now are that industry is contracting farmers directly to produce for industry. Given the complete lack of clarity over subsidies now we have left the EU business is having no problems convincing growers to sign up. Yes linseed is a good break crop and the following wheat crop will be better, linseed yields between 1 and 3 tonnes a hectare not an acre, normally there are about 25thousand acres of it grown compared to 2 million of wheat so it is tiny, miscanthus isnt a normal crop once planted it is the ground for a very long time, it doesnt produce a crop worth cutting for three years normally and wont cover its planting cost for around five , hence the longer term agreements, quite often they are more like a lease of the ground rather than crop contract, I looked at it 17 years ago to use it for horse bedding as it would suit out business for various reasons our research showed at the time customers didnt like it so we didnt grow any, it is a very interesting crop and can be used for many more profitable outlets than burning it, crop prices are very sensitive to over production,if say linseed production went up very far prices would slump, the same as if car manufacturers produce more than the market wants prices slump, we have to produce crops the market wants, not what on paper makes money,there are opportunities of course, some will take them others are stuck in the old ways same as other industries " You obviously have knowledge Robka so won’t argue with your view I just come at this from a different angle which is the industrial production side. | |||
"I am a remainer and always will be. We were much better off being a member of the EU and we could have used our influence to improve it. We have denied ourselves the right to, work in, retire in and stay for more than 90 days in the EU!! Now I can not go and stay for an unlimited time with some of my family who live in the EU! What a massive act of self harm Brexit is! Please name one improvement the EU has made to itself in the past 44 years. Just one. Vehicle safety Schengen agreement Flights Security But then you only wanted one, this could go on for ages - very Life of Brian
ErasmusTuring. "Hahahaha absolutely pathetic. I actually helped a relative assess whether the Turing scheme is worth it. Cost is way more than Erasmus. If I was a grad or MA student looking to study abroad or do a year in industry outside of the UK now, I just would not be able to afford it. Please, actually consider what you're saying given that in Erasmus, working class students actually got a shot at studying abroad. | |||
"I am a remainer and always will be. We were much better off being a member of the EU and we could have used our influence to improve it. We have denied ourselves the right to, work in, retire in and stay for more than 90 days in the EU!! Now I can not go and stay for an unlimited time with some of my family who live in the EU! What a massive act of self harm Brexit is! Please name one improvement the EU has made to itself in the past 44 years. Just one. Vehicle safety Schengen agreement Flights Security But then you only wanted one, this could go on for ages - very Life of Brian
ErasmusTuring.
Hahahaha absolutely pathetic.
I actually helped a relative assess whether the Turing scheme is worth it.
Cost is way more than Erasmus. If I was a grad or MA student looking to study abroad or do a year in industry outside of the UK now, I just would not be able to afford it.
Please, actually consider what you're saying given that in Erasmus, working class students actually got a shot at studying abroad."Only to European Universities not one of which is in the top 100 worldwide. It was a terrible scheme. | |||
"I am a remainer and always will be. We were much better off being a member of the EU and we could have used our influence to improve it. We have denied ourselves the right to, work in, retire in and stay for more than 90 days in the EU!! Now I can not go and stay for an unlimited time with some of my family who live in the EU! What a massive act of self harm Brexit is! Please name one improvement the EU has made to itself in the past 44 years. Just one. Vehicle safety Schengen agreement Flights Security But then you only wanted one, this could go on for ages - very Life of Brian
ErasmusTuring.
Hahahaha absolutely pathetic.
I actually helped a relative assess whether the Turing scheme is worth it.
Cost is way more than Erasmus. If I was a grad or MA student looking to study abroad or do a year in industry outside of the UK now, I just would not be able to afford it.
Please, actually consider what you're saying given that in Erasmus, working class students actually got a shot at studying abroad.
Only to European Universities not one of which is in the top 100 worldwide. It was a terrible scheme. "By what metric? Research output? Research impact ranking? Research investment? Student experience? Student post study mobility? - economic or welfare based? Averages overall? Come on, be specific? | |||
"I am a remainer and always will be. We were much better off being a member of the EU and we could have used our influence to improve it. We have denied ourselves the right to, work in, retire in and stay for more than 90 days in the EU!! Now I can not go and stay for an unlimited time with some of my family who live in the EU! What a massive act of self harm Brexit is! Please name one improvement the EU has made to itself in the past 44 years. Just one. Vehicle safety Schengen agreement Flights Security But then you only wanted one, this could go on for ages - very Life of Brian
ErasmusTuring.
Hahahaha absolutely pathetic.
I actually helped a relative assess whether the Turing scheme is worth it.
Cost is way more than Erasmus. If I was a grad or MA student looking to study abroad or do a year in industry outside of the UK now, I just would not be able to afford it.
Please, actually consider what you're saying given that in Erasmus, working class students actually got a shot at studying abroad.
Only to European Universities not one of which is in the top 100 worldwide. It was a terrible scheme. "Furthermore, you're not really getting it. It offers students skills, and industrial placement opportunities which for financial reasons they would usually struggle to access. Unless you like university being strictly something for middle class and upward demographics? | |||
"I am a remainer and always will be. We were much better off being a member of the EU and we could have used our influence to improve it. We have denied ourselves the right to, work in, retire in and stay for more than 90 days in the EU!! Now I can not go and stay for an unlimited time with some of my family who live in the EU! What a massive act of self harm Brexit is! Please name one improvement the EU has made to itself in the past 44 years. Just one. Vehicle safety Schengen agreement Flights Security But then you only wanted one, this could go on for ages - very Life of Brian
ErasmusTuring.
Hahahaha absolutely pathetic.
I actually helped a relative assess whether the Turing scheme is worth it.
Cost is way more than Erasmus. If I was a grad or MA student looking to study abroad or do a year in industry outside of the UK now, I just would not be able to afford it.
Please, actually consider what you're saying given that in Erasmus, working class students actually got a shot at studying abroad.
Only to European Universities not one of which is in the top 100 worldwide. It was a terrible scheme. "Did you ask your Oxford Don friends? Remind them they lost the boat race by the way | |||
"I am a remainer and always will be. We were much better off being a member of the EU and we could have used our influence to improve it. We have denied ourselves the right to, work in, retire in and stay for more than 90 days in the EU!! Now I can not go and stay for an unlimited time with some of my family who live in the EU! What a massive act of self harm Brexit is! Please name one improvement the EU has made to itself in the past 44 years. Just one. Vehicle safety Schengen agreement Flights Security But then you only wanted one, this could go on for ages - very Life of Brian
ErasmusTuring.
Hahahaha absolutely pathetic.
I actually helped a relative assess whether the Turing scheme is worth it.
Cost is way more than Erasmus. If I was a grad or MA student looking to study abroad or do a year in industry outside of the UK now, I just would not be able to afford it.
Please, actually consider what you're saying given that in Erasmus, working class students actually got a shot at studying abroad.
Only to European Universities not one of which is in the top 100 worldwide. It was a terrible scheme.
By what metric?
Research output?
Research impact ranking?
Research investment?
Student experience?
Student post study mobility? - economic or welfare based?
Averages overall?
Come on, be specific?"You’re not seriously querying University rankings are you? You may not be aware, but I’m acknowledged as quite a big deal on here with expertise on a range of subjects. | |||
"I am a remainer and always will be. We were much better off being a member of the EU and we could have used our influence to improve it. We have denied ourselves the right to, work in, retire in and stay for more than 90 days in the EU!! Now I can not go and stay for an unlimited time with some of my family who live in the EU! What a massive act of self harm Brexit is! Please name one improvement the EU has made to itself in the past 44 years. Just one. Vehicle safety Schengen agreement Flights Security But then you only wanted one, this could go on for ages - very Life of Brian
ErasmusTuring.
Hahahaha absolutely pathetic.
I actually helped a relative assess whether the Turing scheme is worth it.
Cost is way more than Erasmus. If I was a grad or MA student looking to study abroad or do a year in industry outside of the UK now, I just would not be able to afford it.
Please, actually consider what you're saying given that in Erasmus, working class students actually got a shot at studying abroad.
Only to European Universities not one of which is in the top 100 worldwide. It was a terrible scheme.
By what metric?
Research output?
Research impact ranking?
Research investment?
Student experience?
Student post study mobility? - economic or welfare based?
Averages overall?
Come on, be specific?
You’re not seriously querying University rankings are you? You may not be aware, but I’m acknowledged as quite a big deal on here with expertise on a range of subjects. "No your not | |||
