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"Only one reason these maniacs turn up.. A punch-up.. and I am not talking about the police .." Those darn protesters keep smashing their faces against the police shields. | |||
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"Only one reason these maniacs turn up.. A punch-up.. and I am not talking about the police .. Those darn protesters keep smashing their faces against the police shields." Police brutality at its worst... These people need to get a focus in life.. they are the dregs of the dregs | |||
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"Only one reason these maniacs turn up.. A punch-up.. and I am not talking about the police .. Those darn protesters keep smashing their faces against the police shields. Police brutality at its worst... These people need to get a focus in life.. they are the dregs of the dregs " The majority of people who turn up are peacefully protesting what the believe is a bill to take away our freedoms. | |||
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"Only one reason these maniacs turn up.. A punch-up.. and I am not talking about the police .. Those darn protesters keep smashing their faces against the police shields. Police brutality at its worst... These people need to get a focus in life.. they are the dregs of the dregs The majority of people who turn up are peacefully protesting what the believe is a bill to take away our freedoms." Yeah right.. | |||
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"Only one reason these maniacs turn up.. A punch-up.. and I am not talking about the police .."  | |||
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"100 peaceful protesters arrested in London today.. Yeah right " Really  | |||
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"One of the women arrested yesterday at the "peaceful" protest, was in possession of a knife. " Yep and they moan when women are cuffed.. they could easily stab a police man .. | |||
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"One of the women arrested yesterday at the "peaceful" protest, was in possession of a knife. " That's because of crime! Women aren't safe! I am joking.... but it ain't funny! Women should be allowed to stab people... jeez that's another protest lol | |||
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"And that's why the police don't take chances.. male female .. they all could have a knife.. " Good point. All people should all be cuffed and licked up. Protesters, non-protestors. All of them could have a knife. | |||
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"And that's why the police don't take chances.. male female .. they all could have a knife.. Good point. All people should all be cuffed and licked up. Protesters, non-protestors. All of them could have a knife." Everyone arrested should be cuffed.. | |||
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"And that's why the police don't take chances.. male female .. they all could have a knife.. Good point. All people should all be cuffed and licked up. Protesters, non-protestors. All of them could have a knife. Everyone arrested should be cuffed.. " Everyone protesting should be arrested and cuffed? | |||
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"And that's why the police don't take chances.. male female .. they all could have a knife.. Good point. All people should all be cuffed and licked up. Protesters, non-protestors. All of them could have a knife. Everyone arrested should be cuffed.. Everyone protesting should be arrested and cuffed?" If you prefer.. I say everyone arrested should be cuffed .. | |||
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"And that's why the police don't take chances.. male female .. they all could have a knife.. Good point. All people should all be cuffed and licked up. Protesters, non-protestors. All of them could have a knife. Everyone arrested should be cuffed.. Everyone protesting should be arrested and cuffed?" Everyone protesting with a knife should be arrested and cuffed... everyone protesting about people carrying knives shouldn't unless they are carrying one while protesting about it ! | |||
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"Don't think you will find any Counter Terrorism police on the front line of public order policing..completely different units..and a very offensive comment mate btw..." no, just the officers who are members of proscribed terroist groups then | |||
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"Don't think you will find any Counter Terrorism police on the front line of public order policing..completely different units..and a very offensive comment mate btw... no, just the officers who are members of proscribed terroist groups then" That will be one then.... | |||
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"If brains were dynamite then this anarchist mob would not have enough to blow their hats off... I have seen them up close and ugly many many times.. Class War and all that.. If we ever get water cannon in this country I just hope they put some shampoo in the water.. the great unwashed .. All rebels without a cause .." Why do you feel the need to ridicule people who want to protest for what they think is an important cause? | |||
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"If brains were dynamite then this anarchist mob would not have enough to blow their hats off... I have seen them up close and ugly many many times.. Class War and all that.. If we ever get water cannon in this country I just hope they put some shampoo in the water.. the great unwashed .. All rebels without a cause .. Why do you feel the need to ridicule people who want to protest for what they think is an important cause?" Protest is fine.. rioting is not.. Protest is lawful.. rioting is not.. | |||
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"If brains were dynamite then this anarchist mob would not have enough to blow their hats off... I have seen them up close and ugly many many times.. Class War and all that.. If we ever get water cannon in this country I just hope they put some shampoo in the water.. the great unwashed .. All rebels without a cause .. Why do you feel the need to ridicule people who want to protest for what they think is an important cause? Protest is fine.. rioting is not.. Protest is lawful.. rioting is not.." Yes! Now we're getting somewhere. Maybe you could consider not lumping all protestors into the same bracket as the rioters? If you paused for a moment, you'd see that the vast majority of people protested peacefully and went home. A small number stayed on and there was trouble. | |||
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"Don't think you will find any Counter Terrorism police on the front line of public order policing..completely different units..and a very offensive comment mate btw..." | |||
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"If brains were dynamite then this anarchist mob would not have enough to blow their hats off... I have seen them up close and ugly many many times.. Class War and all that.. If we ever get water cannon in this country I just hope they put some shampoo in the water.. the great unwashed .. All rebels without a cause .. Why do you feel the need to ridicule people who want to protest for what they think is an important cause? Protest is fine.. rioting is not.. Protest is lawful.. rioting is not.. Yes! Now we're getting somewhere. Maybe you could consider not lumping all protestors into the same bracket as the rioters? If you paused for a moment, you'd see that the vast majority of people protested peacefully and went home. A small number stayed on and there was trouble." Exactly.. The peaceful protesters had their day in the sun and went home.. the Class War morons stay for. Punchup ... Then always claim police brutality.. And the Chief of Police I am sure has better things to to with his officers... | |||
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"If brains were dynamite then this anarchist mob would not have enough to blow their hats off... I have seen them up close and ugly many many times.. Class War and all that.. If we ever get water cannon in this country I just hope they put some shampoo in the water.. the great unwashed .. All rebels without a cause .. Why do you feel the need to ridicule people who want to protest for what they think is an important cause? Protest is fine.. rioting is not.. Protest is lawful.. rioting is not.. Yes! Now we're getting somewhere. Maybe you could consider not lumping all protestors into the same bracket as the rioters? If you paused for a moment, you'd see that the vast majority of people protested peacefully and went home. A small number stayed on and there was trouble. Exactly.. The peaceful protesters had their day in the sun and went home.. the Class War morons stay for. Punchup ... Then always claim police brutality.. And the Chief of Police I am sure has better things to to with his officers... " 10 police officers guarding a statue, is that necessary? | |||
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"If brains were dynamite then this anarchist mob would not have enough to blow their hats off... I have seen them up close and ugly many many times.. Class War and all that.. If we ever get water cannon in this country I just hope they put some shampoo in the water.. the great unwashed .. All rebels without a cause .. Why do you feel the need to ridicule people who want to protest for what they think is an important cause? Protest is fine.. rioting is not.. Protest is lawful.. rioting is not.. Yes! Now we're getting somewhere. Maybe you could consider not lumping all protestors into the same bracket as the rioters? If you paused for a moment, you'd see that the vast majority of people protested peacefully and went home. A small number stayed on and there was trouble. Exactly.. The peaceful protesters had their day in the sun and went home.. the Class War morons stay for. Punchup ... Then always claim police brutality.. And the Chief of Police I am sure has better things to to with his officers... 10 police officers guarding a statue, is that necessary? " How many would it have taken to stop those people taking down the Bristol statue? 5 ? 20? You name the figure.. | |||
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"If brains were dynamite then this anarchist mob would not have enough to blow their hats off... I have seen them up close and ugly many many times.. Class War and all that.. If we ever get water cannon in this country I just hope they put some shampoo in the water.. the great unwashed .. All rebels without a cause .. Why do you feel the need to ridicule people who want to protest for what they think is an important cause? Protest is fine.. rioting is not.. Protest is lawful.. rioting is not.. Yes! Now we're getting somewhere. Maybe you could consider not lumping all protestors into the same bracket as the rioters? If you paused for a moment, you'd see that the vast majority of people protested peacefully and went home. A small number stayed on and there was trouble. Exactly.. The peaceful protesters had their day in the sun and went home.. the Class War morons stay for. Punchup ... Then always claim police brutality.. And the Chief of Police I am sure has better things to to with his officers... 10 police officers guarding a statue, is that necessary? How many would it have taken to stop those people taking down the Bristol statue? 5 ? 20? You name the figure.." Who cares, it is a statue . | |||
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"If brains were dynamite then this anarchist mob would not have enough to blow their hats off... I have seen them up close and ugly many many times.. Class War and all that.. If we ever get water cannon in this country I just hope they put some shampoo in the water.. the great unwashed .. All rebels without a cause .. Why do you feel the need to ridicule people who want to protest for what they think is an important cause? Protest is fine.. rioting is not.. Protest is lawful.. rioting is not.. Yes! Now we're getting somewhere. Maybe you could consider not lumping all protestors into the same bracket as the rioters? If you paused for a moment, you'd see that the vast majority of people protested peacefully and went home. A small number stayed on and there was trouble. Exactly.. The peaceful protesters had their day in the sun and went home.. the Class War morons stay for. Punchup ... Then always claim police brutality.. And the Chief of Police I am sure has better things to to with his officers... 10 police officers guarding a statue, is that necessary? How many would it have taken to stop those people taking down the Bristol statue? 5 ? 20? You name the figure.. Who cares, it is a statue . " Sums up an attitude .. Some might share it, many will not,.. But then again, why not vandalise them for the 5 minutes of fame and sod anyone else in society that values them... | |||
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"If brains were dynamite then this anarchist mob would not have enough to blow their hats off... I have seen them up close and ugly many many times.. Class War and all that.. If we ever get water cannon in this country I just hope they put some shampoo in the water.. the great unwashed .. All rebels without a cause .. Why do you feel the need to ridicule people who want to protest for what they think is an important cause? Protest is fine.. rioting is not.. Protest is lawful.. rioting is not.. Yes! Now we're getting somewhere. Maybe you could consider not lumping all protestors into the same bracket as the rioters? If you paused for a moment, you'd see that the vast majority of people protested peacefully and went home. A small number stayed on and there was trouble. Exactly.. The peaceful protesters had their day in the sun and went home.. the Class War morons stay for. Punchup ... Then always claim police brutality.. And the Chief of Police I am sure has better things to to with his officers... 10 police officers guarding a statue, is that necessary? How many would it have taken to stop those people taking down the Bristol statue? 5 ? 20? You name the figure.. Who cares, it is a statue . Sums up an attitude .. Some might share it, many will not,.. But then again, why not vandalise them for the 5 minutes of fame and sod anyone else in society that values them... " Why don’t they use the police elsewhere , I am sure they have better things to do? How many statues do are there in the vicinity of the protest ? | |||
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"Who cares, it is a statue . " bristol agrees ... the plinthe rightly remains vacant of racist staues despite robert jenrick's attempts to 'make britain racist again' | |||
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"If brains were dynamite then this anarchist mob would not have enough to blow their hats off... I have seen them up close and ugly many many times.. Class War and all that.. If we ever get water cannon in this country I just hope they put some shampoo in the water.. the great unwashed .. All rebels without a cause .. Why do you feel the need to ridicule people who want to protest for what they think is an important cause? Protest is fine.. rioting is not.. Protest is lawful.. rioting is not.. Yes! Now we're getting somewhere. Maybe you could consider not lumping all protestors into the same bracket as the rioters? If you paused for a moment, you'd see that the vast majority of people protested peacefully and went home. A small number stayed on and there was trouble. Exactly.. The peaceful protesters had their day in the sun and went home.. the Class War morons stay for. Punchup ... Then always claim police brutality.. And the Chief of Police I am sure has better things to to with his officers... 10 police officers guarding a statue, is that necessary? How many would it have taken to stop those people taking down the Bristol statue? 5 ? 20? You name the figure.. Who cares, it is a statue . Sums up an attitude .. Some might share it, many will not,.. But then again, why not vandalise them for the 5 minutes of fame and sod anyone else in society that values them... Why don’t they use the police elsewhere , I am sure they have better things to do? How many statues do are there in the vicinity of the protest ? " I didn't bring up statues.. someone asked why there were ten police guarding it.. I asked how many you think should be deployed to guard it.. justifying the removal of a Bristol statue is one thing. Doing do with an angry mob is quite another.. Does anyone seriously suggest that we have mob rule.. ? The anarchists yes,Class War definitly yes.. Does anyone seriously condone rioting and violence? Or are peaceful means better ? | |||
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"If brains were dynamite then this anarchist mob would not have enough to blow their hats off... I have seen them up close and ugly many many times.. Class War and all that.. If we ever get water cannon in this country I just hope they put some shampoo in the water.. the great unwashed .. All rebels without a cause .. Why do you feel the need to ridicule people who want to protest for what they think is an important cause? Protest is fine.. rioting is not.. Protest is lawful.. rioting is not.. Yes! Now we're getting somewhere. Maybe you could consider not lumping all protestors into the same bracket as the rioters? If you paused for a moment, you'd see that the vast majority of people protested peacefully and went home. A small number stayed on and there was trouble. Exactly.. The peaceful protesters had their day in the sun and went home.. the Class War morons stay for. Punchup ... Then always claim police brutality.. And the Chief of Police I am sure has better things to to with his officers... 10 police officers guarding a statue, is that necessary? How many would it have taken to stop those people taking down the Bristol statue? 5 ? 20? You name the figure.. Who cares, it is a statue . Sums up an attitude .. Some might share it, many will not,.. But then again, why not vandalise them for the 5 minutes of fame and sod anyone else in society that values them... Why don’t they use the police elsewhere , I am sure they have better things to do? How many statues do are there in the vicinity of the protest ? I didn't bring up statues.. someone asked why there were ten police guarding it.. I asked how many you think should be deployed to guard it.. justifying the removal of a Bristol statue is one thing. Doing do with an angry mob is quite another.. Does anyone seriously suggest that we have mob rule.. ? The anarchists yes,Class War definitly yes.. Does anyone seriously condone rioting and violence? Or are peaceful means better ?" Of course peaceful is better, I will ask again, why did they need over 10 police officers to guard one statue? | |||
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"If brains were dynamite then this anarchist mob would not have enough to blow their hats off... I have seen them up close and ugly many many times.. Class War and all that.. If we ever get water cannon in this country I just hope they put some shampoo in the water.. the great unwashed .. All rebels without a cause .. Why do you feel the need to ridicule people who want to protest for what they think is an important cause? Protest is fine.. rioting is not.. Protest is lawful.. rioting is not.. Yes! Now we're getting somewhere. Maybe you could consider not lumping all protestors into the same bracket as the rioters? If you paused for a moment, you'd see that the vast majority of people protested peacefully and went home. A small number stayed on and there was trouble. Exactly.. The peaceful protesters had their day in the sun and went home.. the Class War morons stay for. Punchup ... Then always claim police brutality.. And the Chief of Police I am sure has better things to to with his officers... 10 police officers guarding a statue, is that necessary? How many would it have taken to stop those people taking down the Bristol statue? 5 ? 20? You name the figure.. Who cares, it is a statue . Sums up an attitude .. Some might share it, many will not,.. But then again, why not vandalise them for the 5 minutes of fame and sod anyone else in society that values them... Why don’t they use the police elsewhere , I am sure they have better things to do? How many statues do are there in the vicinity of the protest ? I didn't bring up statues.. someone asked why there were ten police guarding it.. I asked how many you think should be deployed to guard it.. justifying the removal of a Bristol statue is one thing. Doing do with an angry mob is quite another.. Does anyone seriously suggest that we have mob rule.. ? The anarchists yes,Class War definitly yes.. Does anyone seriously condone rioting and violence? Or are peaceful means better ? Of course peaceful is better, I will ask again, why did they need over 10 police officers to guard one statue? " Well it takes one officer to arrest. Two minimum to lead away. If the protestor plays dead weight or struggles it could take four officers to lead them away. Within minutes your ten officers are down to zero. If it started with violence you need a good ten to stand any chance until reinforcement arrives.. Can I make it any simpler for you.. If your point is around whether they should be guarded at all and 'its only a statue' then refer to my earlier answer.. Let's put it another way.. Winston Churchill statue often targeted over the years and the Cenotaph. Do you think the Cenotaph should be vandalized. What about the new statue of Greta Thundberg? Nelson Mandela? Please share your wisdom.. | |||
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"If brains were dynamite then this anarchist mob would not have enough to blow their hats off... I have seen them up close and ugly many many times.. Class War and all that.. If we ever get water cannon in this country I just hope they put some shampoo in the water.. the great unwashed .. All rebels without a cause .. Why do you feel the need to ridicule people who want to protest for what they think is an important cause? Protest is fine.. rioting is not.. Protest is lawful.. rioting is not.. Yes! Now we're getting somewhere. Maybe you could consider not lumping all protestors into the same bracket as the rioters? If you paused for a moment, you'd see that the vast majority of people protested peacefully and went home. A small number stayed on and there was trouble. Exactly.. The peaceful protesters had their day in the sun and went home.. the Class War morons stay for. Punchup ... Then always claim police brutality.. And the Chief of Police I am sure has better things to to with his officers... 10 police officers guarding a statue, is that necessary? How many would it have taken to stop those people taking down the Bristol statue? 5 ? 20? You name the figure.. Who cares, it is a statue . Sums up an attitude .. Some might share it, many will not,.. But then again, why not vandalise them for the 5 minutes of fame and sod anyone else in society that values them... Why don’t they use the police elsewhere , I am sure they have better things to do? How many statues do are there in the vicinity of the protest ? I didn't bring up statues.. someone asked why there were ten police guarding it.. I asked how many you think should be deployed to guard it.. justifying the removal of a Bristol statue is one thing. Doing do with an angry mob is quite another.. Does anyone seriously suggest that we have mob rule.. ? The anarchists yes,Class War definitly yes.. Does anyone seriously condone rioting and violence? Or are peaceful means better ? Of course peaceful is better, I will ask again, why did they need over 10 police officers to guard one statue? Well it takes one officer to arrest. Two minimum to lead away. If the protestor plays dead weight or struggles it could take four officers to lead them away. Within minutes your ten officers are down to zero. If it started with violence you need a good ten to stand any chance until reinforcement arrives.. Can I make it any simpler for you.. If your point is around whether they should be guarded at all and 'its only a statue' then refer to my earlier answer.. Let's put it another way.. Winston Churchill statue often targeted over the years and the Cenotaph. Do you think the Cenotaph should be vandalized. What about the new statue of Greta Thundberg? Nelson Mandela? Please share your wisdom.. " They are statues, who cares? If they are vandalised the people responsible should be prosecuted, how many statues do you think should be guarded by 10 police officers? | |||
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"The question is that the new statue of Greta cost a reported 24K to commission. I am sure that the university would be well pleased to have it damaged or thrown in the canal am sure the artist would be delighted. It may be only a statue but it's someone's property. Surely you don't condone criminal damage. As for resourcing demonstrations then the person best placed to answer is the Chief of Police on the day.." I couldn’t care less how much the statue cost, | |||
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"The question is that the new statue of Greta cost a reported 24K to commission. I am sure that the university would be well pleased to have it damaged or thrown in the canal am sure the artist would be delighted. It may be only a statue but it's someone's property. Surely you don't condone criminal damage. As for resourcing demonstrations then the person best placed to answer is the Chief of Police on the day.. I couldn’t care less how much the statue cost," Well to be fair it's not your money so why would you? Maybe you have a motor worth 24K. I am sure there are people who would not care if that was trashed. But I may be old fashioned. I respect other people's property. To wantonly destroy statues is simply vandalism or do you condone that. | |||
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"The question is that the new statue of Greta cost a reported 24K to commission. I am sure that the university would be well pleased to have it damaged or thrown in the canal am sure the artist would be delighted. It may be only a statue but it's someone's property. Surely you don't condone criminal damage. As for resourcing demonstrations then the person best placed to answer is the Chief of Police on the day.. I couldn’t care less how much the statue cost, Well to be fair it's not your money so why would you? Maybe you have a motor worth 24K. I am sure there are people who would not care if that was trashed. But I may be old fashioned. I respect other people's property. To wantonly destroy statues is simply vandalism or do you condone that. " I would expect 10 police officers to guard my car. | |||
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"The question is that the new statue of Greta cost a reported 24K to commission. I am sure that the university would be well pleased to have it damaged or thrown in the canal am sure the artist would be delighted. It may be only a statue but it's someone's property. Surely you don't condone criminal damage. As for resourcing demonstrations then the person best placed to answer is the Chief of Police on the day.. I couldn’t care less how much the statue cost, Well to be fair it's not your money so why would you? Maybe you have a motor worth 24K. I am sure there are people who would not care if that was trashed. But I may be old fashioned. I respect other people's property. To wantonly destroy statues is simply vandalism or do you condone that. I would expect 10 police officers to guard my car. " Wouldn’t  | |||
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"yet oddly the karl marx grave being repeatedly attacked and defaced for decades doesn't cause gammon outrage " Or Jewish & Muslim graves, I guess they aren’t important either | |||
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"yet oddly the karl marx grave being repeatedly attacked and defaced for decades doesn't cause gammon outrage Or Jewish & Muslim graves, I guess they aren’t important either " i suppose we ask too much for people to prefer to find stephen lawrence's murderer than to gaol someone who put a piece of green grass on winston's bonce | |||
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"yet oddly the karl marx grave being repeatedly attacked and defaced for decades doesn't cause gammon outrage Or Jewish & Muslim graves, I guess they aren’t important either " Do you have a hierarchy of monuments that you feel that some deserve protection and some not. My simple question to you is this. Do you condone criminal damage and violence to achieve political means ? | |||
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"yet oddly the karl marx grave being repeatedly attacked and defaced for decades doesn't cause gammon outrage Or Jewish & Muslim graves, I guess they aren’t important either Do you have a hierarchy of monuments that you feel that some deserve protection and some not. My simple question to you is this. Do you condone criminal damage and violence to achieve political means ?" They should all be treated the same, do you agree? | |||
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"Or is this just anti police rhetoric?" Is this just anti protesters rhetoric? | |||
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"Or is this just anti police rhetoric? Is this just anti protesters rhetoric? " Well I am on record as supporting peaceful protest and against violent protest. You seem reluctant to take the same stance as is your right and people may draw conclusions from that. I won't bore you with my knowledge of police tactics but I was heavily involved in peaceful protest through the late 80s and was never arrested once. I can say that the police treated us with respect and us them. Rent a mob would turn up then .. same old faces, same hatred.. What I can say to you is this.. has it even occurred to you that Police Commanders station their officers at visible points like statues so that they are visible to other police units and use them as RV points so they can muster when they are needed to be deployed somewhere else.. No. Probably not ? | |||
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"Or is this just anti police rhetoric? Is this just anti protesters rhetoric? Well I am on record as supporting peaceful protest and against violent protest. You seem reluctant to take the same stance as is your right and people may draw conclusions from that. I won't bore you with my knowledge of police tactics but I was heavily involved in peaceful protest through the late 80s and was never arrested once. I can say that the police treated us with respect and us them. Rent a mob would turn up then .. same old faces, same hatred.. What I can say to you is this.. has it even occurred to you that Police Commanders station their officers at visible points like statues so that they are visible to other police units and use them as RV points so they can muster when they are needed to be deployed somewhere else.. No. Probably not ? " Over 10 officers guarding 1 statue, necessary or not? | |||
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"Or is this just anti police rhetoric? Is this just anti protesters rhetoric? Well I am on record as supporting peaceful protest and against violent protest. You seem reluctant to take the same stance as is your right and people may draw conclusions from that. I won't bore you with my knowledge of police tactics but I was heavily involved in peaceful protest through the late 80s and was never arrested once. I can say that the police treated us with respect and us them. Rent a mob would turn up then .. same old faces, same hatred.. What I can say to you is this.. has it even occurred to you that Police Commanders station their officers at visible points like statues so that they are visible to other police units and use them as RV points so they can muster when they are needed to be deployed somewhere else.. No. Probably not ? Over 10 officers guarding 1 statue, necessary or not? " Well that depends on many factors that neither of us a privy too. It will be the Police decision to look at the threat, the risk assessment, the intelligence and the dynamics of what unfolds during the protest. Now if the police intelligence suggests that those 'protestors' turning up refuse to condone criminal damage and violence then I guess he may just put more than one on s statue previously targeted.. but then.. I am no expert.. Think of me as a gifted amateur.. | |||
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"yet oddly the karl marx grave being repeatedly attacked and defaced for decades doesn't cause gammon outrage Or Jewish & Muslim graves, I guess they aren’t important either Do you have a hierarchy of monuments that you feel that some deserve protection and some not. My simple question to you is this. Do you condone criminal damage and violence to achieve political means ? They should all be treated the same, do you agree? " when you say they should be treated the same do you mean they should all be attacked or none should be attacked? | |||
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"Or is this just anti police rhetoric? Is this just anti protesters rhetoric? Well I am on record as supporting peaceful protest and against violent protest. You seem reluctant to take the same stance as is your right and people may draw conclusions from that. I won't bore you with my knowledge of police tactics but I was heavily involved in peaceful protest through the late 80s and was never arrested once. I can say that the police treated us with respect and us them. Rent a mob would turn up then .. same old faces, same hatred.. What I can say to you is this.. has it even occurred to you that Police Commanders station their officers at visible points like statues so that they are visible to other police units and use them as RV points so they can muster when they are needed to be deployed somewhere else.. No. Probably not ? Over 10 officers guarding 1 statue, necessary or not? Well that depends on many factors that neither of us a privy too. It will be the Police decision to look at the threat, the risk assessment, the intelligence and the dynamics of what unfolds during the protest. Now if the police intelligence suggests that those 'protestors' turning up refuse to condone criminal damage and violence then I guess he may just put more than one on s statue previously targeted.. but then.. I am no expert.. Think of me as a gifted amateur.." You're wasting your time on this one  | |||
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"Or is this just anti police rhetoric? Is this just anti protesters rhetoric? Well I am on record as supporting peaceful protest and against violent protest. You seem reluctant to take the same stance as is your right and people may draw conclusions from that. I won't bore you with my knowledge of police tactics but I was heavily involved in peaceful protest through the late 80s and was never arrested once. I can say that the police treated us with respect and us them. Rent a mob would turn up then .. same old faces, same hatred.. What I can say to you is this.. has it even occurred to you that Police Commanders station their officers at visible points like statues so that they are visible to other police units and use them as RV points so they can muster when they are needed to be deployed somewhere else.. No. Probably not ? Over 10 officers guarding 1 statue, necessary or not? Well that depends on many factors that neither of us a privy too. It will be the Police decision to look at the threat, the risk assessment, the intelligence and the dynamics of what unfolds during the protest. Now if the police intelligence suggests that those 'protestors' turning up refuse to condone criminal damage and violence then I guess he may just put more than one on s statue previously targeted.. but then.. I am no expert.. Think of me as a gifted amateur.. You're wasting your time on this one "You mean.. With this one.. I never subscribe to the ACAB brigade.. They can never even justify their hatred.. They just do.. Oh well, we are all different.. Vivre La Difference.. I don't hate anybody.. Only walnuts .. I do hate those buggers... | |||
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"Or is this just anti police rhetoric? Is this just anti protesters rhetoric? Well I am on record as supporting peaceful protest and against violent protest. You seem reluctant to take the same stance as is your right and people may draw conclusions from that. I won't bore you with my knowledge of police tactics but I was heavily involved in peaceful protest through the late 80s and was never arrested once. I can say that the police treated us with respect and us them. Rent a mob would turn up then .. same old faces, same hatred.. What I can say to you is this.. has it even occurred to you that Police Commanders station their officers at visible points like statues so that they are visible to other police units and use them as RV points so they can muster when they are needed to be deployed somewhere else.. No. Probably not ? Over 10 officers guarding 1 statue, necessary or not? Well that depends on many factors that neither of us a privy too. It will be the Police decision to look at the threat, the risk assessment, the intelligence and the dynamics of what unfolds during the protest. Now if the police intelligence suggests that those 'protestors' turning up refuse to condone criminal damage and violence then I guess he may just put more than one on s statue previously targeted.. but then.. I am no expert.. Think of me as a gifted amateur.. You're wasting your time on this one
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I never subscribe to the ACAB brigade..
They can never even justify their hatred..
They just do..
Oh well, we are all different.. Vivre La Difference..
I don't hate anybody..
Only walnuts .. I do hate those buggers..."So do you stand by the original statement? "Only one reason these maniacs turn up.. A punch-up.. and I am not talking about the police .." Or do you now agree that the majority are peacefully protesting then going home? | |||
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"yet oddly the karl marx grave being repeatedly attacked and defaced for decades doesn't cause gammon outrage Or Jewish & Muslim graves, I guess they aren’t important either Do you have a hierarchy of monuments that you feel that some deserve protection and some not. My simple question to you is this. Do you condone criminal damage and violence to achieve political means ? They should all be treated the same, do you agree? when you say they should be treated the same do you mean they should all be attacked or none should be attacked?" They should have the same police protection | |||
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"yet oddly the karl marx grave being repeatedly attacked and defaced for decades doesn't cause gammon outrage Or Jewish & Muslim graves, I guess they aren’t important either Do you have a hierarchy of monuments that you feel that some deserve protection and some not. My simple question to you is this. Do you condone criminal damage and violence to achieve political means ?" | |||
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"So it seems we agree that people should have thecright to peacefully protest. Surely then we don’t need this Bill to increase Police powers to stop peaceful protest? Or am I missing something?" Violent protest, destruction of property etc is already illegal. The new bill makes it illegal to make noise and get in the way. IE to protests. So effectively the police can arrest anyone protesting, whenever they wish to. Plus it gives more protections to statues than it does to humans. | |||
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"yet oddly the karl marx grave being repeatedly attacked and defaced for decades doesn't cause gammon outrage Or Jewish & Muslim graves, I guess they aren’t important either Do you have a hierarchy of monuments that you feel that some deserve protection and some not. My simple question to you is this. Do you condone criminal damage and violence to achieve political means ? They should all be treated the same, do you agree? when you say they should be treated the same do you mean they should all be attacked or none should be attacked? They should have the same police protection " so is attacking all statues ok? (so they are treated the same) | |||
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"So it seems we agree that people should have thecright to peacefully protest. Surely then we don’t need this Bill to increase Police powers to stop peaceful protest? Or am I missing something? Violent protest, destruction of property etc is already illegal. The new bill makes it illegal to make noise and get in the way. IE to protests. So effectively the police can arrest anyone protesting, whenever they wish to. Plus it gives more protections to statues than it does to humans." I understand all this, so it seems we don’t need this Bill. It would be nice if the Police didn’t arrest Journalists and Protest Observers - I mean we might start to look like a despotic Police State otherwise... | |||
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"So it seems we agree that people should have thecright to peacefully protest. Surely then we don’t need this Bill to increase Police powers to stop peaceful protest? Or am I missing something? Violent protest, destruction of property etc is already illegal. The new bill makes it illegal to make noise and get in the way. IE to protests. So effectively the police can arrest anyone protesting, whenever they wish to. Plus it gives more protections to statues than it does to humans. I understand all this, so it seems we don’t need this Bill. It would be nice if the Police didn’t arrest Journalists and Protest Observers - I mean we might start to look like a despotic Police State otherwise..." An interesting point. Journalists and observers must obey the law and just because someone is there in a yellow jacket means nothing. Many Incidents are encouraged by some rogue journalists to get the video and print they want. | |||
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"yet oddly the karl marx grave being repeatedly attacked and defaced for decades doesn't cause gammon outrage Or Jewish & Muslim graves, I guess they aren’t important either Do you have a hierarchy of monuments that you feel that some deserve protection and some not. My simple question to you is this. Do you condone criminal damage and violence to achieve political means ? They should all be treated the same, do you agree? when you say they should be treated the same do you mean they should all be attacked or none should be attacked? They should have the same police protection so is attacking all statues ok? (so they are treated the same)" Nope, all statues should be treated the same, do you agree? | |||
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"yet oddly the karl marx grave being repeatedly attacked and defaced for decades doesn't cause gammon outrage Or Jewish & Muslim graves, I guess they aren’t important either Do you have a hierarchy of monuments that you feel that some deserve protection and some not. My simple question to you is this. Do you condone criminal damage and violence to achieve political means ? "What are the thumbs up for? It was a question not an answer | |||
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"yet oddly the karl marx grave being repeatedly attacked and defaced for decades doesn't cause gammon outrage Or Jewish & Muslim graves, I guess they aren’t important either Do you have a hierarchy of monuments that you feel that some deserve protection and some not. My simple question to you is this. Do you condone criminal damage and violence to achieve political means ? They should all be treated the same, do you agree? when you say they should be treated the same do you mean they should all be attacked or none should be attacked? They should have the same police protection so is attacking all statues ok? (so they are treated the same) Nope, all statues should be treated the same, do you agree? " so your against people attacking statues now? before that did not seem the case | |||
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"yet oddly the karl marx grave being repeatedly attacked and defaced for decades doesn't cause gammon outrage Or Jewish & Muslim graves, I guess they aren’t important either Do you have a hierarchy of monuments that you feel that some deserve protection and some not. My simple question to you is this. Do you condone criminal damage and violence to achieve political means ? They should all be treated the same, do you agree? when you say they should be treated the same do you mean they should all be attacked or none should be attacked? They should have the same police protection so is attacking all statues ok? (so they are treated the same) Nope, all statues should be treated the same, do you agree? so your against people attacking statues now? before that did not seem the case" I can paraphrase.. smash up all of the statues because I don't care but leave my motor alone or words to that effect ! | |||
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"yet oddly the karl marx grave being repeatedly attacked and defaced for decades doesn't cause gammon outrage Or Jewish & Muslim graves, I guess they aren’t important either Do you have a hierarchy of monuments that you feel that some deserve protection and some not. My simple question to you is this. Do you condone criminal damage and violence to achieve political means ? They should all be treated the same, do you agree? when you say they should be treated the same do you mean they should all be attacked or none should be attacked? They should have the same police protection so is attacking all statues ok? (so they are treated the same) Nope, all statues should be treated the same, do you agree? so your against people attacking statues now? before that did not seem the case" Always have been against vandalism, it is a shame that some memorial, graves and statues don’t seem to be as important as others | |||
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"And if you can't put ten cops on every statue in the land then why bother.... " Was it necessary? Could those 10 officers be better used elsewhere? | |||
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"And if you can't put ten cops on every statue in the land then why bother.... " What about humans, should the police consider protecting people as well as inanimate objects? | |||
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"yet oddly the karl marx grave being repeatedly attacked and defaced for decades doesn't cause gammon outrage Or Jewish & Muslim graves, I guess they aren’t important either Do you have a hierarchy of monuments that you feel that some deserve protection and some not. My simple question to you is this. Do you condone criminal damage and violence to achieve political means ? They should all be treated the same, do you agree? when you say they should be treated the same do you mean they should all be attacked or none should be attacked? They should have the same police protection so is attacking all statues ok? (so they are treated the same) Nope, all statues should be treated the same, do you agree? so your against people attacking statues now? before that did not seem the case I can paraphrase.. smash up all of the statues because I don't care but leave my motor alone or words to that effect !" You should learn how to read, it might help you understand what I have been saying . | |||
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"Or not saying as the case maybe.. ! Just read it, it’s not difficult . "Please facilitate my ignorance and difficulty to grasp facts.. Once and for all.. do you condone violent protest against the police and criminal damage to property including statues? Do you reject violence and disorder ? | |||
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"So it seems we agree that people should have thecright to peacefully protest. Surely then we don’t need this Bill to increase Police powers to stop peaceful protest? Or am I missing something? Violent protest, destruction of property etc is already illegal. The new bill makes it illegal to make noise and get in the way. IE to protests. So effectively the police can arrest anyone protesting, whenever they wish to. Plus it gives more protections to statues than it does to humans. I understand all this, so it seems we don’t need this Bill. It would be nice if the Police didn’t arrest Journalists and Protest Observers - I mean we might start to look like a despotic Police State otherwise... An interesting point. Journalists and observers must obey the law and just because someone is there in a yellow jacket means nothing. Many Incidents are encouraged by some rogue journalists to get the video and print they want. " Well I believe the Police should obey the law also, do you agree with that? Not all journalists are provocateurs, so report whatvthey see - innocent until proven guilty I believe are our rules - your suggestion is closer to a Police State. | |||
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"So it seems we agree that people should have thecright to peacefully protest. Surely then we don’t need this Bill to increase Police powers to stop peaceful protest? Or am I missing something? Violent protest, destruction of property etc is already illegal. The new bill makes it illegal to make noise and get in the way. IE to protests. So effectively the police can arrest anyone protesting, whenever they wish to. Plus it gives more protections to statues than it does to humans. I understand all this, so it seems we don’t need this Bill. It would be nice if the Police didn’t arrest Journalists and Protest Observers - I mean we might start to look like a despotic Police State otherwise... An interesting point. Journalists and observers must obey the law and just because someone is there in a yellow jacket means nothing. Many Incidents are encouraged by some rogue journalists to get the video and print they want. Well I believe the Police should obey the law also, do you agree with that? Not all journalists are provocateurs, so report whatvthey see - innocent until proven guilty I believe are our rules - your suggestion is closer to a Police State." Au contraire .. The rule of law applies to all regardless of position, status, occupation, colour, race or creed.. | |||
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"So it seems we agree that people should have thecright to peacefully protest. Surely then we don’t need this Bill to increase Police powers to stop peaceful protest? Or am I missing something? Violent protest, destruction of property etc is already illegal. The new bill makes it illegal to make noise and get in the way. IE to protests. So effectively the police can arrest anyone protesting, whenever they wish to. Plus it gives more protections to statues than it does to humans. I understand all this, so it seems we don’t need this Bill. It would be nice if the Police didn’t arrest Journalists and Protest Observers - I mean we might start to look like a despotic Police State otherwise... An interesting point. Journalists and observers must obey the law and just because someone is there in a yellow jacket means nothing. Many Incidents are encouraged by some rogue journalists to get the video and print they want. Well I believe the Police should obey the law also, do you agree with that? Not all journalists are provocateurs, so report whatvthey see - innocent until proven guilty I believe are our rules - your suggestion is closer to a Police State. Au contraire .. The rule of law applies to all regardless of position, status, occupation, colour, race or creed.. " Innocent until proven guilty applies even more. The Police do not & should not have the right to arrest the Press for just being there - Police State... | |||
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"So it seems we agree that people should have thecright to peacefully protest. Surely then we don’t need this Bill to increase Police powers to stop peaceful protest? Or am I missing something? Violent protest, destruction of property etc is already illegal. The new bill makes it illegal to make noise and get in the way. IE to protests. So effectively the police can arrest anyone protesting, whenever they wish to. Plus it gives more protections to statues than it does to humans. I understand all this, so it seems we don’t need this Bill. It would be nice if the Police didn’t arrest Journalists and Protest Observers - I mean we might start to look like a despotic Police State otherwise... An interesting point. Journalists and observers must obey the law and just because someone is there in a yellow jacket means nothing. Many Incidents are encouraged by some rogue journalists to get the video and print they want. Well I believe the Police should obey the law also, do you agree with that? Not all journalists are provocateurs, so report whatvthey see - innocent until proven guilty I believe are our rules - your suggestion is closer to a Police State." Not all.. but the ones who incite incidents for gain, tap phones of celebrities and missing children... Not a lot of time for them to be honest but a free press is at the heart of a free democracy.. Good with the bad do to speak.. | |||
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"So it seems we agree that people should have thecright to peacefully protest. Surely then we don’t need this Bill to increase Police powers to stop peaceful protest? Or am I missing something? Violent protest, destruction of property etc is already illegal. The new bill makes it illegal to make noise and get in the way. IE to protests. So effectively the police can arrest anyone protesting, whenever they wish to. Plus it gives more protections to statues than it does to humans. I understand all this, so it seems we don’t need this Bill. It would be nice if the Police didn’t arrest Journalists and Protest Observers - I mean we might start to look like a despotic Police State otherwise... An interesting point. Journalists and observers must obey the law and just because someone is there in a yellow jacket means nothing. Many Incidents are encouraged by some rogue journalists to get the video and print they want. Well I believe the Police should obey the law also, do you agree with that? Not all journalists are provocateurs, so report whatvthey see - innocent until proven guilty I believe are our rules - your suggestion is closer to a Police State. Au contraire .. The rule of law applies to all regardless of position, status, occupation, colour, race or creed.. Innocent until proven guilty applies even more. The Police do not & should not have the right to arrest the Press for just being there - Police State..." Any evidence for your presumption.. detail please | |||
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"Or not saying as the case maybe.. ! Just read it, it’s not difficult .
Please facilitate my ignorance and difficulty to grasp facts..
Once and for all.. do you condone violent protest against the police and criminal damage to property including statues? Do you reject violence and disorder ?
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"Or not saying as the case maybe.. ! Just read it, it’s not difficult .
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Once and for all.. do you condone violent protest against the police and criminal damage to property including statues? Do you reject violence and disorder ?
Yes, I condone violence and vandalism, do you condone heavy handed and unnecessary force by the police against protestors "Well your position is clear.. if you know what condone means.. You approve of violence and criminal damage... you do not believe in peaceful protest.. you are ambivalent to defacing statues and monuments unless it's your BMW.. I do not judge you as a human but others will on here I am sure.. I prefer to go back to my sharks and octopus threads.. good night Sir.. Sleep well.. My apologies if I have misinterpreted your position or beliefs .. | |||
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"And let's be clear.. any officer suspected of illegal force or wrongdoing will be held to account.. let's not pre judge " And any protestor suspected of vandalism and violence will be held to account, let’s not prejudge | |||
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"And let's be clear.. any officer suspected of illegal force or wrongdoing will be held to account.. let's not pre judge I admire your confidence in the system. Many do not share your confidence." Its the only system we have.. Better than violent disorder don't you think.. Or another who does respect peaceful protest, the rule of law and due process.. | |||
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"Or not saying as the case maybe.. ! Just read it, it’s not difficult .
Please facilitate my ignorance and difficulty to grasp facts..
Once and for all.. do you condone violent protest against the police and criminal damage to property including statues? Do you reject violence and disorder ?
Yes, I condone violence and vandalism, do you condone heavy handed and unnecessary force by the police against protestors
Well your position is clear.. if you know what condone means..
You approve of violence and criminal damage... you do not believe in peaceful protest.. you are ambivalent to defacing statues and monuments unless it's your BMW..
I do not judge you as a human but others will on here I am sure.. I prefer to go back to my sharks and octopus threads.. good night Sir..
Sleep well..
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"And let's be clear.. any officer suspected of illegal force or wrongdoing will be held to account.. let's not pre judge And any protestor suspected of vandalism and violence will be held to account, let’s not prejudge " Absolutely.. you have stated your position to condone violence and criminal damage.. I no longer wish to converse with you so begone.. | |||
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"And let's be clear.. any officer suspected of illegal force or wrongdoing will be held to account.. let's not pre judge I admire your confidence in the system. Many do not share your confidence. Its the only system we have.. Better than violent disorder don't you think.. Or another who does respect peaceful protest, the rule of law and due process.. " I just suggested that some people have less confidence that any police who used inappropriate force will face any consequences. | |||
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"And let's be clear.. any officer suspected of illegal force or wrongdoing will be held to account.. let's not pre judge And any protestor suspected of vandalism and violence will be held to account, let’s not prejudge Absolutely.. you have stated your position to condone violence and criminal damage.. I no longer wish to converse with you so begone.. " think most people come to the same conclusion | |||
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"And let's be clear.. any officer suspected of illegal force or wrongdoing will be held to account.. let's not pre judge And any protestor suspected of vandalism and violence will be held to account, let’s not prejudge Absolutely.. you have stated your position to condone violence and criminal damage.. I no longer wish to converse with you so begone.. think most people come to the same conclusion " | |||
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"And let's be clear.. any officer suspected of illegal force or wrongdoing will be held to account.. let's not pre judge And any protestor suspected of vandalism and violence will be held to account, let’s not prejudge Absolutely.. you have stated your position to condone violence and criminal damage.. I no longer wish to converse with you so begone.. think most people come to the same conclusion " | |||
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"Or not saying as the case maybe.. ! Just read it, it’s not difficult .
Please facilitate my ignorance and difficulty to grasp facts..
Once and for all.. do you condone violent protest against the police and criminal damage to property including statues? Do you reject violence and disorder ?
Yes, I condone violence and vandalism, do you condone heavy handed and unnecessary force by the police against protestors "You actually condone violence and vandalism whilst shouting that the police do not have the right to use force? I think this is the funniest thing I've seen you write on here, and there's been a few whoppers | |||
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"Or not saying as the case maybe.. ! Just read it, it’s not difficult .
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"Or not saying as the case maybe.. ! Just read it, it’s not difficult .
Please facilitate my ignorance and difficulty to grasp facts..
Once and for all.. do you condone violent protest against the police and criminal damage to property including statues? Do you reject violence and disorder ?
Yes, I condone violence and vandalism, do you condone heavy handed and unnecessary force by the police against protestors
You actually condone violence and vandalism whilst shouting that the police do not have the right to use force?
I think this is the funniest thing I've seen you write on here, and there's been a few whoppers "Where did I say that they can’t use force? I think you need to join Tom in learning how to read | |||
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Once and for all.. do you condone violent protest against the police and criminal damage to property including statues? Do you reject violence and disorder ?
Yes, I condone violence and vandalism, do you condone heavy handed and unnecessary force by the police against protestors
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"Or not saying as the case maybe.. ! Just read it, it’s not difficult .
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Once and for all.. do you condone violent protest against the police and criminal damage to property including statues? Do you reject violence and disorder ?
Yes, I condone violence and vandalism, do you condone heavy handed and unnecessary force by the police against protestors
You actually condone violence and vandalism whilst shouting that the police do not have the right to use force?
I think this is the funniest thing I've seen you write on here, and there's been a few whoppers
Where did I say that they can’t use force? I think you need to join Tom in learning how to read "When you say condone do you really mean condemn? | |||
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Once and for all.. do you condone violent protest against the police and criminal damage to property including statues? Do you reject violence and disorder ?
Yes, I condone violence and vandalism, do you condone heavy handed and unnecessary force by the police against protestors
You actually condone violence and vandalism whilst shouting that the police do not have the right to use force?
I think this is the funniest thing I've seen you write on here, and there's been a few whoppers
Where did I say that they can’t use force? I think you need to join Tom in learning how to read "You haven't said it in this thread but if you wish I will go and fetch it for you | |||
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Once and for all.. do you condone violent protest against the police and criminal damage to property including statues? Do you reject violence and disorder ?
Yes, I condone violence and vandalism, do you condone heavy handed and unnecessary force by the police against protestors
You actually condone violence and vandalism whilst shouting that the police do not have the right to use force?
I think this is the funniest thing I've seen you write on here, and there's been a few whoppers
Where did I say that they can’t use force? I think you need to join Tom in learning how to read
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Once and for all.. do you condone violent protest against the police and criminal damage to property including statues? Do you reject violence and disorder ?
Yes, I condone violence and vandalism, do you condone heavy handed and unnecessary force by the police against protestors
You actually condone violence and vandalism whilst shouting that the police do not have the right to use force?
I think this is the funniest thing I've seen you write on here, and there's been a few whoppers
Where did I say that they can’t use force? I think you need to join Tom in learning how to read
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Please facilitate my ignorance and difficulty to grasp facts..
Once and for all.. do you condone violent protest against the police and criminal damage to property including statues? Do you reject violence and disorder ?
Yes, I condone violence and vandalism, do you condone heavy handed and unnecessary force by the police against protestors
You actually condone violence and vandalism whilst shouting that the police do not have the right to use force?
I think this is the funniest thing I've seen you write on here, and there's been a few whoppers
Where did I say that they can’t use force? I think you need to join Tom in learning how to read
When you say condone do you really mean condemn?
Yes I did, it was a school boy error "Perhaps not be so quick to have a go at people’s reading skills. We are all subject to human error after all. | |||
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"Or not saying as the case maybe.. ! Just read it, it’s not difficult .
Please facilitate my ignorance and difficulty to grasp facts..
Once and for all.. do you condone violent protest against the police and criminal damage to property including statues? Do you reject violence and disorder ?
Yes, I condone violence and vandalism, do you condone heavy handed and unnecessary force by the police against protestors
You actually condone violence and vandalism whilst shouting that the police do not have the right to use force?
I think this is the funniest thing I've seen you write on here, and there's been a few whoppers
Where did I say that they can’t use force? I think you need to join Tom in learning how to read
You haven't said it in this thread but if you wish I
will go and fetch it for you
Yeah, got for it, have a search "I guess there's no need to now as you've suddenly changed your stance | |||
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"Or not saying as the case maybe.. ! Just read it, it’s not difficult .
Please facilitate my ignorance and difficulty to grasp facts..
Once and for all.. do you condone violent protest against the police and criminal damage to property including statues? Do you reject violence and disorder ?
Yes, I condone violence and vandalism, do you condone heavy handed and unnecessary force by the police against protestors
You actually condone violence and vandalism whilst shouting that the police do not have the right to use force?
I think this is the funniest thing I've seen you write on here, and there's been a few whoppers
Where did I say that they can’t use force? I think you need to join Tom in learning how to read
When you say condone do you really mean condemn?
Yes I did, it was a school boy error
Perhaps not be so quick to have a go at people’s reading skills.
We are all subject to human error after all. "We are, have a look at the thread though, it seems that the word condone has been misused a few times . | |||
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"Or not saying as the case maybe.. ! Just read it, it’s not difficult .
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Once and for all.. do you condone violent protest against the police and criminal damage to property including statues? Do you reject violence and disorder ?
Yes, I condone violence and vandalism, do you condone heavy handed and unnecessary force by the police against protestors
You actually condone violence and vandalism whilst shouting that the police do not have the right to use force?
I think this is the funniest thing I've seen you write on here, and there's been a few whoppers
Where did I say that they can’t use force? I think you need to join Tom in learning how to read
You haven't said it in this thread but if you wish I
will go and fetch it for you
Yeah, got for it, have a search
I guess there's no need to now as you've suddenly changed your stance "I made an error in which I have acknowledged, I am sure you can find examples on other threads though ?? | |||
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Once and for all.. do you condone violent protest against the police and criminal damage to property including statues? Do you reject violence and disorder ?
Yes, I condone violence and vandalism, do you condone heavy handed and unnecessary force by the police against protestors
You actually condone violence and vandalism whilst shouting that the police do not have the right to use force?
I think this is the funniest thing I've seen you write on here, and there's been a few whoppers
Where did I say that they can’t use force? I think you need to join Tom in learning how to read
You haven't said it in this thread but if you wish I
will go and fetch it for you
Yeah, got for it, have a search
I guess there's no need to now as you've suddenly changed your stance
I made an error in which I have acknowledged, I am sure you can find examples on other threads though ?? "Some may see it as acknowledged, some may see it as changing your stance to suit | |||
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"Or not saying as the case maybe.. ! Just read it, it’s not difficult .
Please facilitate my ignorance and difficulty to grasp facts..
Once and for all.. do you condone violent protest against the police and criminal damage to property including statues? Do you reject violence and disorder ?
Yes, I condone violence and vandalism, do you condone heavy handed and unnecessary force by the police against protestors
You actually condone violence and vandalism whilst shouting that the police do not have the right to use force?
I think this is the funniest thing I've seen you write on here, and there's been a few whoppers
Where did I say that they can’t use force? I think you need to join Tom in learning how to read
You haven't said it in this thread but if you wish I
will go and fetch it for you
Yeah, got for it, have a search
I guess there's no need to now as you've suddenly changed your stance
I made an error in which I have acknowledged, I am sure you can find examples on other threads though ??
Some may see it as acknowledged, some may see it as changing your stance to suit "Your a mind reader? Have a look , see if you can find any evidence that I have changed my stance on other threads. When you don’t I will accept your apology | |||
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Please facilitate my ignorance and difficulty to grasp facts..
Once and for all.. do you condone violent protest against the police and criminal damage to property including statues? Do you reject violence and disorder ?
Yes, I condone violence and vandalism, do you condone heavy handed and unnecessary force by the police against protestors
You actually condone violence and vandalism whilst shouting that the police do not have the right to use force?
I think this is the funniest thing I've seen you write on here, and there's been a few whoppers
Where did I say that they can’t use force? I think you need to join Tom in learning how to read
You haven't said it in this thread but if you wish I
will go and fetch it for you
Yeah, got for it, have a search
I guess there's no need to now as you've suddenly changed your stance
I made an error in which I have acknowledged, I am sure you can find examples on other threads though ??
Some may see it as acknowledged, some may see it as changing your stance to suit
Your a mind reader? Have a look , see if you can find any evidence that I have changed my stance on other threads. When you don’t I will accept your apology "I'm speaking about this thread. You've gone from condone to condemn. Why would I need to read your mind when I can read your words? | |||
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"Or not saying as the case maybe.. ! Just read it, it’s not difficult .
Please facilitate my ignorance and difficulty to grasp facts..
Once and for all.. do you condone violent protest against the police and criminal damage to property including statues? Do you reject violence and disorder ?
Yes, I condone violence and vandalism, do you condone heavy handed and unnecessary force by the police against protestors
You actually condone violence and vandalism whilst shouting that the police do not have the right to use force?
I think this is the funniest thing I've seen you write on here, and there's been a few whoppers
Where did I say that they can’t use force? I think you need to join Tom in learning how to read
You haven't said it in this thread but if you wish I
will go and fetch it for you
Yeah, got for it, have a search
I guess there's no need to now as you've suddenly changed your stance
I made an error in which I have acknowledged, I am sure you can find examples on other threads though ??
Some may see it as acknowledged, some may see it as changing your stance to suit
Your a mind reader? Have a look , see if you can find any evidence that I have changed my stance on other threads. When you don’t I will accept your apology
I'm speaking about this thread. You've gone from condone to condemn.
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"Or not saying as the case maybe.. ! Just read it, it’s not difficult .
Please facilitate my ignorance and difficulty to grasp facts..
Once and for all.. do you condone violent protest against the police and criminal damage to property including statues? Do you reject violence and disorder ?
Yes, I condone violence and vandalism, do you condone heavy handed and unnecessary force by the police against protestors
You actually condone violence and vandalism whilst shouting that the police do not have the right to use force?
I think this is the funniest thing I've seen you write on here, and there's been a few whoppers
Where did I say that they can’t use force? I think you need to join Tom in learning how to read
You haven't said it in this thread but if you wish I
will go and fetch it for you
Yeah, got for it, have a search
I guess there's no need to now as you've suddenly changed your stance
I made an error in which I have acknowledged, I am sure you can find examples on other threads though ??
Some may see it as acknowledged, some may see it as changing your stance to suit
Your a mind reader? Have a look , see if you can find any evidence that I have changed my stance on other threads. When you don’t I will accept your apology
I'm speaking about this thread. You've gone from condone to condemn.
Why would I need to read your mind when I can read your words?
I have acknowledged I made a error, do you accept that ? "Why would I need to accept it? Doea it matter that much to you? | |||
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"Or not saying as the case maybe.. ! Just read it, it’s not difficult .
Please facilitate my ignorance and difficulty to grasp facts..
Once and for all.. do you condone violent protest against the police and criminal damage to property including statues? Do you reject violence and disorder ?
Yes, I condone violence and vandalism, do you condone heavy handed and unnecessary force by the police against protestors
You actually condone violence and vandalism whilst shouting that the police do not have the right to use force?
I think this is the funniest thing I've seen you write on here, and there's been a few whoppers
Where did I say that they can’t use force? I think you need to join Tom in learning how to read
You haven't said it in this thread but if you wish I
will go and fetch it for you
Yeah, got for it, have a search
I guess there's no need to now as you've suddenly changed your stance
I made an error in which I have acknowledged, I am sure you can find examples on other threads though ??
Some may see it as acknowledged, some may see it as changing your stance to suit
Your a mind reader? Have a look , see if you can find any evidence that I have changed my stance on other threads. When you don’t I will accept your apology
I'm speaking about this thread. You've gone from condone to condemn.
Why would I need to read your mind when I can read your words?
I have acknowledged I made a error, do you accept that ?
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"Is there an old proverb about a drowning man clutching at straws... " No , there is this proverb ‘there are no mistakes, only lessons ‘ | |||
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"Is there an old proverb about a drowning man clutching at straws... No , there is this proverb ‘there are no mistakes, only lessons ‘ " So I have taught you a lesson.. here endeth that lesson.. Only the first one is free .. | |||
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"The man who never makes mistakes always takes orders from one who does " I give forgiveness to a man who makes one mistake or even two or three but read back this whole thread and the truth is as bare as a badgers arse.. the octopus makes more sense.. you cannot recover your position .. let others be your judge not me.. All I have done is expose a twisted ideology ... The rule of law applies to all.. the law of stupidity I reserve for you.. | |||
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"Mistakes are our teachers, they help us learn " And you have do much to learn.. nobody is buying into it tho.. you stated your case repeatedly and often.. Buyee... | |||
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"Anyone who has never made a mistake has never tried anything new " In the words of Ronan Keating.. You say it best when you say nothing at all... Right back to my sharks ... | |||
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"The Police should be held to a higher standard than the ordinary person. They know the laws and the consequence of mis applying the law better than we do. Should they transgress, they should feel the full weight of the law. " They are.. | |||
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"The Police should be held to a higher standard than the ordinary person. They know the laws and the consequence of mis applying the law better than we do. Should they transgress, they should feel the full weight of the law. They are.. " Really... | |||
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"The Police should be held to a higher standard than the ordinary person. They know the laws and the consequence of mis applying the law better than we do. Should they transgress, they should feel the full weight of the law. They are.. Really..." Yes they can be sacked just for breaching the police code of ethics on integrity.. happens all the time .. They then get put on a register that means they can't join another police force.. even if they have not committy a criminal offence they can be sacked | |||
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"The Police should be held to a higher standard than the ordinary person. They know the laws and the consequence of mis applying the law better than we do. Should they transgress, they should feel the full weight of the law. They are.. Really... Yes they can be sacked just for breaching the police code of ethics on integrity.. happens all the time .. They then get put on a register that means they can't join another police force.. even if they have not committy a criminal offence they can be sacked " How often does this happen, it seems that Policemen can resign and avoid being punished- seems quite wrong. | |||
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"The Police should be held to a higher standard than the ordinary person. They know the laws and the consequence of mis applying the law better than we do. Should they transgress, they should feel the full weight of the law. They are.. Really... Yes they can be sacked just for breaching the police code of ethics on integrity.. happens all the time .. They then get put on a register that means they can't join another police force.. even if they have not committy a criminal offence they can be sacked How often does this happen, it seems that Policemen can resign and avoid being punished- seems quite wrong." Those days are long gone.. if they are charged with gross misconduct then the press can attend the disciplinary process.. they can report on it.. sure they can resign but then mostly found guilty in their absence.. pension deducted etc etc.. any more questions I can help with or dispel a few myths.. In Scotland if a policeman is charged with a criminal offence then it's classed as an aggravated offence and the sentence often 'harsher' than if he were a member of the public. Anything else you would like to ask ? | |||
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"The Police should be held to a higher standard than the ordinary person. They know the laws and the consequence of mis applying the law better than we do. Should they transgress, they should feel the full weight of the law. They are.. Really... Yes they can be sacked just for breaching the police code of ethics on integrity.. happens all the time .. They then get put on a register that means they can't join another police force.. even if they have not committy a criminal offence they can be sacked How often does this happen, it seems that Policemen can resign and avoid being punished- seems quite wrong. Those days are long gone.. if they are charged with gross misconduct then the press can attend the disciplinary process.. they can report on it.. sure they can resign but then mostly found guilty in their absence.. pension deducted etc etc.. any more questions I can help with or dispel a few myths.. In Scotland if a policeman is charged with a criminal offence then it's classed as an aggravated offence and the sentence often 'harsher' than if he were a member of the public. Anything else you would like to ask ?" Of course if it's criminal they face the courts. Years ago they would lose their whole pension for an offence such as drink driving.. that changed after a judgement because you are then also punishing the spouse who is innocent and has pension rights after the death of the police officer.. they can now lose a percentage.. Does that help ? | |||
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"There was an old game called, Pin the Tail on the Donkey... Perhaps unfair to Donkeys but we have one here... An innocent mistake guvnor.. I think not.. Caught Out, Bowled Out and every Umpire in the land calls you out.. you Condone violent Protest, Vandalising statues and now trying damage limitation.. best you toddle off dear boy.. credibility is hard earned and easily lost.. " | |||
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"There was an old game called, Pin the Tail on the Donkey... Perhaps unfair to Donkeys but we have one here... An innocent mistake guvnor.. I think not.. Caught Out, Bowled Out and every Umpire in the land calls you out.. you Condone violent Protest, Vandalising statues and now trying damage limitation.. best you toddle off dear boy.. credibility is hard earned and easily lost.. " | |||
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"The legitimacy of government has never been founded on the silence of its people. Muted protests, curbed by growing police powers, are anathema to both democracy and freedom. If the UK is to avoid a descent into narrow nationalism and repression, it needs to strengthen human rights, not diminish them. Here, history is a lesson. Protests have been vital to achieving change. If society is to make progress on issues such as violence against women, racism, poverty and the climate crisis, we must defend the rights of peaceful protesters. Written by Kirsty Brimelow, a QC and barrister at Doughty Street Chambers If you want to read more of her article https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/apr/05/government-freedom-expression-police-crime-bill-legislation-uk?" Nail on the head.. peaceful protesters he says.. | |||
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"The legitimacy of government has never been founded on the silence of its people. Muted protests, curbed by growing police powers, are anathema to both democracy and freedom. If the UK is to avoid a descent into narrow nationalism and repression, it needs to strengthen human rights, not diminish them. Here, history is a lesson. Protests have been vital to achieving change. If society is to make progress on issues such as violence against women, racism, poverty and the climate crisis, we must defend the rights of peaceful protesters. Written by Kirsty Brimelow, a QC and barrister at Doughty Street Chambers If you want to read more of her article https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/apr/05/government-freedom-expression-police-crime-bill-legislation-uk? Nail on the head.. peaceful protesters he says.. " Just for clarity Kirsty is a lady & not a man. I’m glad you agree with everything she says | |||
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"Only one reason these maniacs turn up.. A punch-up.. and I am not talking about the police .. Those darn protesters keep smashing their faces against the police shields." Really ....?? | |||
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"The legitimacy of government has never been founded on the silence of its people. Muted protests, curbed by growing police powers, are anathema to both democracy and freedom. If the UK is to avoid a descent into narrow nationalism and repression, it needs to strengthen human rights, not diminish them. Here, history is a lesson. Protests have been vital to achieving change. If society is to make progress on issues such as violence against women, racism, poverty and the climate crisis, we must defend the rights of peaceful protesters. Written by Kirsty Brimelow, a QC and barrister at Doughty Street Chambers If you want to read more of her article https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/apr/05/government-freedom-expression-police-crime-bill-legislation-uk? Nail on the head.. peaceful protesters he says.. " Yep don't think anyone has a problem with peaceful protests with the emphasis on peaceful | |||
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"The legitimacy of government has never been founded on the silence of its people. Muted protests, curbed by growing police powers, are anathema to both democracy and freedom. If the UK is to avoid a descent into narrow nationalism and repression, it needs to strengthen human rights, not diminish them. Here, history is a lesson. Protests have been vital to achieving change. If society is to make progress on issues such as violence against women, racism, poverty and the climate crisis, we must defend the rights of peaceful protesters. Written by Kirsty Brimelow, a QC and barrister at Doughty Street Chambers If you want to read more of her article https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/apr/05/government-freedom-expression-police-crime-bill-legislation-uk? Nail on the head.. peaceful protesters he says.. Yep don't think anyone has a problem with peaceful protests with the emphasis on peaceful " Who gets to decide what is peaceful? With the new Bill ‘wearing a loud shirt in a quiet neighbourhood’ counts if the Police want it to. I feel that they have been given way too much latitude on what now counts as a transfression. | |||
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"The legitimacy of government has never been founded on the silence of its people. Muted protests, curbed by growing police powers, are anathema to both democracy and freedom. If the UK is to avoid a descent into narrow nationalism and repression, it needs to strengthen human rights, not diminish them. Here, history is a lesson. Protests have been vital to achieving change. If society is to make progress on issues such as violence against women, racism, poverty and the climate crisis, we must defend the rights of peaceful protesters. Written by Kirsty Brimelow, a QC and barrister at Doughty Street Chambers If you want to read more of her article https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/apr/05/government-freedom-expression-police-crime-bill-legislation-uk? Nail on the head.. peaceful protesters he says.. Yep don't think anyone has a problem with peaceful protests with the emphasis on peaceful Who gets to decide what is peaceful? With the new Bill ‘wearing a loud shirt in a quiet neighbourhood’ counts if the Police want it to. I feel that they have been given way too much latitude on what now counts as a transfression." Wearing a loud shirt is against the rules? Not heard that before, maybe it's the fashion police that will patrol instead | |||
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"The legitimacy of government has never been founded on the silence of its people. Muted protests, curbed by growing police powers, are anathema to both democracy and freedom. If the UK is to avoid a descent into narrow nationalism and repression, it needs to strengthen human rights, not diminish them. Here, history is a lesson. Protests have been vital to achieving change. If society is to make progress on issues such as violence against women, racism, poverty and the climate crisis, we must defend the rights of peaceful protesters. Written by Kirsty Brimelow, a QC and barrister at Doughty Street Chambers If you want to read more of her article https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/apr/05/government-freedom-expression-police-crime-bill-legislation-uk? Nail on the head.. peaceful protesters he says.. Yep don't think anyone has a problem with peaceful protests with the emphasis on peaceful Who gets to decide what is peaceful? With the new Bill ‘wearing a loud shirt in a quiet neighbourhood’ counts if the Police want it to. I feel that they have been given way too much latitude on what now counts as a transfression. Wearing a loud shirt is against the rules? Not heard that before, maybe it's the fashion police that will patrol instead" Who Police’s the Police with this Bill? They have been given the freedom to stop any group of people they feel are ‘demonstrating’. This feels more like a Putin Law than a British one - who wants to live in a Police State...  | |||
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"Are women safer in a police state ? " No. But statues are safer. | |||
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"Do protests actually work anyway does anyone listen " Some examples off the top of my head for changes that came as a result of protests, or where protests contributed to change. Poll tax. Abolition of Slav.ery. Women having the vote. People who don't own land having the vote. The general strike in the 1840s Kinder Scout mass trespass in 1932. Protests have given us a lot. | |||
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"I think statues would be safer or you would be off to the gulag.. but would women ealkingby the streets feel safer knowing the police are strong and visible .. " Are you suggesting a police state is a good idea? | |||
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"I think statues would be safer or you would be off to the gulag.. but would women ealkingby the streets feel safer knowing the police are strong and visible .. Are you suggesting a police state is a good idea?" I asked a question. I did not make a statement...keep up. | |||
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"I think statues would be safer or you would be off to the gulag.. but would women ealkingby the streets feel safer knowing the police are strong and visible .. Are you suggesting a police state is a good idea? I asked a question. I did not make a statement...keep up." You made a statement. I asked a question about your statement. No need to be rude. | |||
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"Are women in a police state safer? I don't know the answer but that was my question.." And this was the statement you rudely told me was a question. "I think statues would be safer or you would be off to the gulag.. but would women ealkingby the streets feel safer knowing the police are strong and visible .." | |||
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"Do protests actually work anyway does anyone listen Some examples off the top of my head for changes that came as a result of protests, or where protests contributed to change. Poll tax. Abolition of Slav.ery. Women having the vote. People who don't own land having the vote. The general strike in the 1840s Kinder Scout mass trespass in 1932. Protests have given us a lot." well poll tax was in my lifetime so I’ll give you that but may of been people just refused to pay it I should of asked as any worked in the last few decades lol | |||
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"The legitimacy of government has never been founded on the silence of its people. Muted protests, curbed by growing police powers, are anathema to both democracy and freedom. If the UK is to avoid a descent into narrow nationalism and repression, it needs to strengthen human rights, not diminish them. Here, history is a lesson. Protests have been vital to achieving change. If society is to make progress on issues such as violence against women, racism, poverty and the climate crisis, we must defend the rights of peaceful protesters. Written by Kirsty Brimelow, a QC and barrister at Doughty Street Chambers If you want to read more of her article https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/apr/05/government-freedom-expression-police-crime-bill-legislation-uk? Nail on the head.. peaceful protesters he says.. Yep don't think anyone has a problem with peaceful protests with the emphasis on peaceful Who gets to decide what is peaceful? With the new Bill ‘wearing a loud shirt in a quiet neighbourhood’ counts if the Police want it to. I feel that they have been given way too much latitude on what now counts as a transfression." The Home Secretary decides from what I’ve seen of it. Dead easy to attack police for enforcing laws your elected politicians have put in place. | |||
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"Do protests actually work anyway does anyone listen Some examples off the top of my head for changes that came as a result of protests, or where protests contributed to change. Poll tax. Abolition of Slav.ery. Women having the vote. People who don't own land having the vote. The general strike in the 1840s Kinder Scout mass trespass in 1932. Protests have given us a lot." Stop throwing facts in here & making the children look stupid | |||
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"Do protests actually work anyway does anyone listen Some examples off the top of my head for changes that came as a result of protests, or where protests contributed to change. Poll tax. Abolition of Slav.ery. Women having the vote. People who don't own land having the vote. The general strike in the 1840s Kinder Scout mass trespass in 1932. Protests have given us a lot. Stop throwing facts in here & making the children look stupid "5 protests of note in over 200 years, whats that about 0.01%, and what are children doing on a sex site, you best get off it lol bang bang bang | |||
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"Do protests actually work anyway does anyone listen Some examples off the top of my head for changes that came as a result of protests, or where protests contributed to change. Poll tax. Abolition of Slav.ery. Women having the vote. People who don't own land having the vote. The general strike in the 1840s Kinder Scout mass trespass in 1932. Protests have given us a lot. Stop throwing facts in here & making the children look stupid
5 protests of note in over 200 years, whats that about 0.01%,
and what are children doing on a sex site, you best get off it lol bang bang bang"What a stupid comment. This is clearly a couple of examples off the top of my head. As stated. | |||
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