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By *hagTonight OP   Man  over a year ago

From the land of haribos.

I am not sure about the whole story, but I think that the main thing is the trade deals post brexit separating the region from the rest of the uk, it comes after 3 days of violence there between the loyalists and the police, what do you think will happen and how long could this last for? I hope they can resolve it quick there.

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan  over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

probably so long as the protestors in NI keep waving the union flag then priti repellent won't use her new soviet block laws against them, unlike the protestors in bristol who foolishly haven't been waving the union flag and have now been sent to the salt mines and gulags as a result.

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By *loughing the landMan  over a year ago

Cambridge

These protests were by a very small minority and not representative of the residents of NI. Most protesters were young people. The current situation in NI could easily have been avoided had the EU taken a more tolerant approach towards the border and customs checks. It is ridiculous that cross Channel hauliers are having to undergo custom checks at the four main ports . These are totally unnecessary and to date have achieved nothing. The EU should have taken a pragmatic approach and recognised that Northern Ireland is part of the UK and the majority of its residents wish to be treated in exactly the same manner as any other resident of the UK.

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By *estivalMan  over a year ago

borehamwood

From what i can gather its to do with the border down the sea and also sinn fein mp.s going to a huge funeral a few weeks back breaking covid laws and the police not taking action against them for doing so.where as if it had been joe bloggs breaking the rules they would of been hit with fines.again one law for the public and another law for those who make the rules

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By *estivalMan  over a year ago

borehamwood


"probably so long as the protestors in NI keep waving the union flag then priti repellent won't use her new soviet block laws against them, unlike the protestors in bristol who foolishly haven't been waving the union flag and have now been sent to the salt mines and gulags as a result."

Wow salt mines and the gulags you really are a drama queen

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan  over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan  over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney


"From what i can gather its to do with the border down the sea and also sinn fein mp.s going to a huge funeral a few weeks back breaking covid laws and the police not taking action against them for doing so.where as if it had been joe bloggs breaking the rules they would of been hit with fines.again one law for the public and another law for those who make the rules"

are you absolutely sure that attending a funeral in northern ireland is/was against the law?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"These protests were by a very small minority and not representative of the residents of NI. Most protesters were young people. The current situation in NI could easily have been avoided had the EU taken a more tolerant approach towards the border and customs checks. It is ridiculous that cross Channel hauliers are having to undergo custom checks at the four main ports . These are totally unnecessary and to date have achieved nothing. The EU should have taken a pragmatic approach and recognised that Northern Ireland is part of the UK and the majority of its residents wish to be treated in exactly the same manner as any other resident of the UK."

Exactly. Nothing to do with brexit.

100% the fault of the EU/Remainers/Corbyn/Blair/The Green Party

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By *renzMan  over a year ago

Between Chichester and Havant

I refer back to my post in an earlier thread.

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By *estivalMan  over a year ago

borehamwood


"From what i can gather its to do with the border down the sea and also sinn fein mp.s going to a huge funeral a few weeks back breaking covid laws and the police not taking action against them for doing so.where as if it had been joe bloggs breaking the rules they would of been hit with fines.again one law for the public and another law for those who make the rules

are you absolutely sure that attending a funeral in northern ireland is/was against the law? "

peetty sure your not allowed as many as attended

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

The DUP who fully supported the NI Protocol and scuppered Mays deal which wouldn’t have seen a border down the Irish Sea

Are doing what they usually do and have done since Paisleys time,marching working class loyalist teenagers to the top of the hill,where they get nothing more than criminal records to go with their lack of prospects.

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan  over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

the silent majority voted at the last election for the deal that was done and are very happy with remaining as part of europe. the vocal minority of criminal types are rioting, smashing up homes and business and attacking the police because they lost in the elections and can't have their own way.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple  over a year ago

in Lancashire


"These protests were by a very small minority and not representative of the residents of NI. Most protesters were young people. The current situation in NI could easily have been avoided had the EU taken a more tolerant approach towards the border and customs checks. It is ridiculous that cross Channel hauliers are having to undergo custom checks at the four main ports . These are totally unnecessary and to date have achieved nothing. The EU should have taken a pragmatic approach and recognised that Northern Ireland is part of the UK and the majority of its residents wish to be treated in exactly the same manner as any other resident of the UK."

Pat your being delusional again, it's all down to Boris..

Bolstered by the gullible and duped who elected him..

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"These protests were by a very small minority and not representative of the residents of NI. Most protesters were young people. The current situation in NI could easily have been avoided had the EU taken a more tolerant approach towards the border and customs checks. It is ridiculous that cross Channel hauliers are having to undergo custom checks at the four main ports . These are totally unnecessary and to date have achieved nothing. The EU should have taken a pragmatic approach and recognised that Northern Ireland is part of the UK and the majority of its residents wish to be treated in exactly the same manner as any other resident of the UK."

The majority?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"These protests were by a very small minority and not representative of the residents of NI. Most protesters were young people. The current situation in NI could easily have been avoided had the EU taken a more tolerant approach towards the border and customs checks. It is ridiculous that cross Channel hauliers are having to undergo custom checks at the four main ports . These are totally unnecessary and to date have achieved nothing. The EU should have taken a pragmatic approach and recognised that Northern Ireland is part of the UK and the majority of its residents wish to be treated in exactly the same manner as any other resident of the UK."

The UK Government negotiated the NI protocol with the EU

Which correct me,if I’m wrong was debated and voted in favor of in your parliament.

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By *ethnmelvCouple  over a year ago

Chudleigh

The violence and the cause of the violence is owned by Boris. He screwed us all over Brexit & did even worse to NI - can’t believe the DUP were so stupid to support the Tory’s

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By *hagTonight OP   Man  over a year ago

From the land of haribos.


"The violence and the cause of the violence is owned by Boris. He screwed us all over Brexit & did even worse to NI - can’t believe the DUP were so stupid to support the Tory’s "
You are right there, this is on the torys so to speak, do you think that this violence could spark the troubles back again?

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By *9alMan  over a year ago

Bridgend

if the government is stupid enough to send the army in we could see history repeating itself

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By *DFriendly FolkCouple  over a year ago

Redditch

You will never have full peace in N. Ireland simply because neither side will give way. The Brexit brake away in theory should have put a hard border between the North and the south. This was not exceptable as it was in breach of the Good Friday agreement and put peace at risk. However those who support the union (loyalist) feel betrayed. There are free borders between country's such as Switzerland but the EU refused to agree to the same principles with the UK. Thus today's Irish sea border which us proving totally unworkable. The EU will continue to create problems in trade and commerce in retaliation for Brexit in an attempt to stop other EU countries following the UK. Look at their attitudes with the AZ Covid jab as an example

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By *ice_chocolateMan  over a year ago

Bilston

Well said the only thing I would like to add. The EU never leave the UK, The UK leave the EU so don't expect to have your cake and eat it. The EU will make it has hard has possible for the UK to survive on it's own simple to preserve the union. Like I said before Brexit is self imposed sanction.

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By *ethnmelvCouple  over a year ago

Chudleigh


"You will never have full peace in N. Ireland simply because neither side will give way. The Brexit brake away in theory should have put a hard border between the North and the south. This was not exceptable as it was in breach of the Good Friday agreement and put peace at risk. However those who support the union (loyalist) feel betrayed. There are free borders between country's such as Switzerland but the EU refused to agree to the same principles with the UK. Thus today's Irish sea border which us proving totally unworkable. The EU will continue to create problems in trade and commerce in retaliation for Brexit in an attempt to stop other EU countries following the UK. Look at their attitudes with the AZ Covid jab as an example"

The thing is that the Good Friday Agreement brought peace. Sadly the Tory Party have ridden a coach & horses through another International Treaty. These idiots do not actually read any of the things we have agreed to. It is no wondervthey keep tripping up. Boris shall be remembered for the fool he is, lets hope it is not in blood.

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By *hagTonight OP   Man  over a year ago

From the land of haribos.


"if the government is stupid enough to send the army in we could see history repeating itself "
Yes, history could repeat itself, lets hope they dont do that.

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By *hagTonight OP   Man  over a year ago

From the land of haribos.


"Well said the only thing I would like to add. The EU never leave the UK, The UK leave the EU so don't expect to have your cake and eat it. The EU will make it has hard has possible for the UK to survive on it's own simple to preserve the union. Like I said before Brexit is self imposed sanction. "
That is right, it is not eus fault, by leaving the club, uk knew what would happen with northern ireland as one cant have the same trade deals when they are not a member anymore.

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By *illbillMan  over a year ago

dublin


"These protests were by a very small minority and not representative of the residents of NI. Most protesters were young people. The current situation in NI could easily have been avoided had the EU taken a more tolerant approach towards the border and customs checks. It is ridiculous that cross Channel hauliers are having to undergo custom checks at the four main ports . These are totally unnecessary and to date have achieved nothing. The EU should have taken a pragmatic approach and recognised that Northern Ireland is part of the UK and the majority of its residents wish to be treated in exactly the same manner as any other resident of the UK."

The gfa ensured frictionless trade and movement of people. That was voted in by an all ireland vote. The brexit vote undermined that.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"if the government is stupid enough to send the army in we could see history repeating itself Yes, history could repeat itself, lets hope they dont do that."

Let’s hope history doesn’t repeat itself I grew up with the troubles and for the majority of people we never want that bloodshed on our streets again, watching it unfold again certainly is unsettling. Why oh why do politicians think it’s acceptable to break the Good Friday Agreement is beyond me.

Mrs

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Love to read the thoughts of fab experts. Most of whom have never set foot on god's country.

Population of NI approx 1.8 million.

Number of rioters approx 1.8 hundred country-wide. Most aged 13-21yo. Kids off school out for shits 'n' giggles.

Watch the news and it looks like Armageddon. It really isn't.... Let the telly do your thinking for you! Works on every level

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By *ioloCouple  over a year ago

Basingstoke

I hope the UK government is not that stupid to support those so called Unionist. If 50 years ago UK was still a big power and managed to label Sin Fein a terrorist organisation I am afraid nowadays they will only manage to get some sanctions from the EU and USA for such support. The last thing this country needs after brexit is to land in the same select club with Russia , China, Turkey etc.

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By *ubal1Man  over a year ago

Newry Down

There is an angry undercurrent regarding the protocol that is bubbling to the surface in loyalist working class areas.

Furthermore the long lockdown has caused a festering anger and frustrations amongst disaffected protestant youth.

Sinister elements are fomenting discontent and riots; for the vast majority life continues as normally as it does evertwhere else on these islands.

Loyalists do not want to be railroaded into a United Ireland by stealth.

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By *ethnmelvCouple  over a year ago

Chudleigh


"There is an angry undercurrent regarding the protocol that is bubbling to the surface in loyalist working class areas.

Furthermore the long lockdown has caused a festering anger and frustrations amongst disaffected protestant youth.

Sinister elements are fomenting discontent and riots; for the vast majority life continues as normally as it does evertwhere else on these islands.

Loyalists do not want to be railroaded into a United Ireland by stealth."

Apparently it will all be ok, Boris will build a floating tunnel that will solve the GFA problem. Magic (uninvented yet) software will ensure that an open border can continue to exist and everyone will be happy. What a complete moron Boris is.

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By *uliaChrisCouple  over a year ago

westerham

And yet no one can explain why Europe suddenly wants a border at all. What practical purpose is served by it that wasn't the case since the fudge of the GFA?

Brussels couldn't just be playing politics could they?

It's perfectly clear we will just kick the can down the road until Brussels get tired of their own nonsense.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"And yet no one can explain why Europe suddenly wants a border at all. What practical purpose is served by it that wasn't the case since the fudge of the GFA?

Brussels couldn't just be playing politics could they?

It's perfectly clear we will just kick the can down the road until Brussels get tired of their own nonsense. "

Excellent confusion. Some of your best work.

More of this kind of thing.

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By *uliaChrisCouple  over a year ago

westerham


"And yet no one can explain why Europe suddenly wants a border at all. What practical purpose is served by it that wasn't the case since the fudge of the GFA?

Brussels couldn't just be playing politics could they?

It's perfectly clear we will just kick the can down the road until Brussels get tired of their own nonsense.

Excellent confusion. Some of your best work.

More of this kind of thing."

Yet you're unable to answer.

Makes you think doesn't it? What's the border for?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"And yet no one can explain why Europe suddenly wants a border at all. What practical purpose is served by it that wasn't the case since the fudge of the GFA?

Brussels couldn't just be playing politics could they?

It's perfectly clear we will just kick the can down the road until Brussels get tired of their own nonsense.

Excellent confusion. Some of your best work.

More of this kind of thing.

Yet you're unable to answer.

Makes you think doesn't it? What's the border for? "

Are you asking why the EU has a customs border between themselves and the rest of the world?

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By *uliaChrisCouple  over a year ago

westerham


"And yet no one can explain why Europe suddenly wants a border at all. What practical purpose is served by it that wasn't the case since the fudge of the GFA?

Brussels couldn't just be playing politics could they?

It's perfectly clear we will just kick the can down the road until Brussels get tired of their own nonsense.

Excellent confusion. Some of your best work.

More of this kind of thing.

Yet you're unable to answer.

Makes you think doesn't it? What's the border for?

Are you asking why the EU has a customs border between themselves and the rest of the world?"

Let me put it as simply as possible :

Why does the EU want a hard border with NI when it doesn't have one with Switzerland?

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By *ethnmelvCouple  over a year ago

Chudleigh


"And yet no one can explain why Europe suddenly wants a border at all. What practical purpose is served by it that wasn't the case since the fudge of the GFA?

Brussels couldn't just be playing politics could they?

It's perfectly clear we will just kick the can down the road until Brussels get tired of their own nonsense.

Excellent confusion. Some of your best work.

More of this kind of thing.

Yet you're unable to answer.

Makes you think doesn't it? What's the border for?

Are you asking why the EU has a customs border between themselves and the rest of the world?

Let me put it as simply as possible :

Why does the EU want a hard border with NI when it doesn't have one with Switzerland? "

Well, where do we start. We are now a ‘third country’ (many of these rules proposed by the UK when we were in the EU). We negotiated a ‘British Style’ deal and not a Swiss one.

It all comes back to Boris, it is no one elses fault - own it for a change...

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"And yet no one can explain why Europe suddenly wants a border at all. What practical purpose is served by it that wasn't the case since the fudge of the GFA?

Brussels couldn't just be playing politics could they?

It's perfectly clear we will just kick the can down the road until Brussels get tired of their own nonsense.

Excellent confusion. Some of your best work.

More of this kind of thing.

Yet you're unable to answer.

Makes you think doesn't it? What's the border for?

Are you asking why the EU has a customs border between themselves and the rest of the world?

Let me put it as simply as possible :

Why does the EU want a hard border with NI when it doesn't have one with Switzerland? "

The EU has a specific arrangement with Switzerland that they negotiated together.

The UK is out, same as the rest of the world.

There can't be a hard border on the Island of Ireland, as per the GFA.

This was highlighted prior to the referendum and written off as "project fear".

I don't know what it is that you're pretending not to understand.

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By *uliaChrisCouple  over a year ago

westerham


"And yet no one can explain why Europe suddenly wants a border at all. What practical purpose is served by it that wasn't the case since the fudge of the GFA?

Brussels couldn't just be playing politics could they?

It's perfectly clear we will just kick the can down the road until Brussels get tired of their own nonsense.

Excellent confusion. Some of your best work.

More of this kind of thing.

Yet you're unable to answer.

Makes you think doesn't it? What's the border for?

Are you asking why the EU has a customs border between themselves and the rest of the world?

Let me put it as simply as possible :

Why does the EU want a hard border with NI when it doesn't have one with Switzerland?

Well, where do we start. We are now a ‘third country’ (many of these rules proposed by the UK when we were in the EU). We negotiated a ‘British Style’ deal and not a Swiss one.

It all comes back to Boris, it is no one elses fault - own it for a change..."

I don't even know what that means, sorry

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By *uliaChrisCouple  over a year ago

westerham


"And yet no one can explain why Europe suddenly wants a border at all. What practical purpose is served by it that wasn't the case since the fudge of the GFA?

Brussels couldn't just be playing politics could they?

It's perfectly clear we will just kick the can down the road until Brussels get tired of their own nonsense.

Excellent confusion. Some of your best work.

More of this kind of thing.

Yet you're unable to answer.

Makes you think doesn't it? What's the border for?

Are you asking why the EU has a customs border between themselves and the rest of the world?

Let me put it as simply as possible :

Why does the EU want a hard border with NI when it doesn't have one with Switzerland?

The EU has a specific arrangement with Switzerland that they negotiated together.

The UK is out, same as the rest of the world.

There can't be a hard border on the Island of Ireland, as per the GFA.

This was highlighted prior to the referendum and written off as "project fear".

I don't know what it is that you're pretending not to understand.

"

Yes, I think we all understand specific countries have negotiated specific agreements. Great.

My question is, last attempt, what PURPOSE is served by a hard border?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"And yet no one can explain why Europe suddenly wants a border at all. What practical purpose is served by it that wasn't the case since the fudge of the GFA?

Brussels couldn't just be playing politics could they?

It's perfectly clear we will just kick the can down the road until Brussels get tired of their own nonsense.

Excellent confusion. Some of your best work.

More of this kind of thing.

Yet you're unable to answer.

Makes you think doesn't it? What's the border for?

Are you asking why the EU has a customs border between themselves and the rest of the world?

Let me put it as simply as possible :

Why does the EU want a hard border with NI when it doesn't have one with Switzerland?

The EU has a specific arrangement with Switzerland that they negotiated together.

The UK is out, same as the rest of the world.

There can't be a hard border on the Island of Ireland, as per the GFA.

This was highlighted prior to the referendum and written off as "project fear".

I don't know what it is that you're pretending not to understand.

Yes, I think we all understand specific countries have negotiated specific agreements. Great.

My question is, last attempt, what PURPOSE is served by a hard border? "

To control the movement of goods and people in and out of the EU.

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By *uliaChrisCouple  over a year ago

westerham


"And yet no one can explain why Europe suddenly wants a border at all. What practical purpose is served by it that wasn't the case since the fudge of the GFA?

Brussels couldn't just be playing politics could they?

It's perfectly clear we will just kick the can down the road until Brussels get tired of their own nonsense.

Excellent confusion. Some of your best work.

More of this kind of thing.

Yet you're unable to answer.

Makes you think doesn't it? What's the border for?

Are you asking why the EU has a customs border between themselves and the rest of the world?

Let me put it as simply as possible :

Why does the EU want a hard border with NI when it doesn't have one with Switzerland?

The EU has a specific arrangement with Switzerland that they negotiated together.

The UK is out, same as the rest of the world.

There can't be a hard border on the Island of Ireland, as per the GFA.

This was highlighted prior to the referendum and written off as "project fear".

I don't know what it is that you're pretending not to understand.

Yes, I think we all understand specific countries have negotiated specific agreements. Great.

My question is, last attempt, what PURPOSE is served by a hard border?

To control the movement of goods and people in and out of the EU."

But they've tolerated enormous scale drugs, alcohol and diesel smuggling across Ireland since 1994. Bit weird surely?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"And yet no one can explain why Europe suddenly wants a border at all. What practical purpose is served by it that wasn't the case since the fudge of the GFA?

Brussels couldn't just be playing politics could they?

It's perfectly clear we will just kick the can down the road until Brussels get tired of their own nonsense.

Excellent confusion. Some of your best work.

More of this kind of thing.

Yet you're unable to answer.

Makes you think doesn't it? What's the border for?

Are you asking why the EU has a customs border between themselves and the rest of the world?

Let me put it as simply as possible :

Why does the EU want a hard border with NI when it doesn't have one with Switzerland?

The EU has a specific arrangement with Switzerland that they negotiated together.

The UK is out, same as the rest of the world.

There can't be a hard border on the Island of Ireland, as per the GFA.

This was highlighted prior to the referendum and written off as "project fear".

I don't know what it is that you're pretending not to understand.

Yes, I think we all understand specific countries have negotiated specific agreements. Great.

My question is, last attempt, what PURPOSE is served by a hard border?

To control the movement of goods and people in and out of the EU.

But they've tolerated enormous scale drugs, alcohol and diesel smuggling across Ireland since 1994. Bit weird surely? "

Bit weird that you've veered off track from the conversation randomly with this unrelated nugget, yeah definitely.

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By *uliaChrisCouple  over a year ago

westerham


"And yet no one can explain why Europe suddenly wants a border at all. What practical purpose is served by it that wasn't the case since the fudge of the GFA?

Brussels couldn't just be playing politics could they?

It's perfectly clear we will just kick the can down the road until Brussels get tired of their own nonsense.

Excellent confusion. Some of your best work.

More of this kind of thing.

Yet you're unable to answer.

Makes you think doesn't it? What's the border for?

Are you asking why the EU has a customs border between themselves and the rest of the world?

Let me put it as simply as possible :

Why does the EU want a hard border with NI when it doesn't have one with Switzerland?

The EU has a specific arrangement with Switzerland that they negotiated together.

The UK is out, same as the rest of the world.

There can't be a hard border on the Island of Ireland, as per the GFA.

This was highlighted prior to the referendum and written off as "project fear".

I don't know what it is that you're pretending not to understand.

Yes, I think we all understand specific countries have negotiated specific agreements. Great.

My question is, last attempt, what PURPOSE is served by a hard border?

To control the movement of goods and people in and out of the EU.

But they've tolerated enormous scale drugs, alcohol and diesel smuggling across Ireland since 1994. Bit weird surely?

Bit weird that you've veered off track from the conversation randomly with this unrelated nugget, yeah definitely."

OP is about trouble in Northern Ireland.

My post fits into the OP precisely, like a gudgeon pin into a screwed clevis.

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By *ethnmelvCouple  over a year ago

Chudleigh


"And yet no one can explain why Europe suddenly wants a border at all. What practical purpose is served by it that wasn't the case since the fudge of the GFA?

Brussels couldn't just be playing politics could they?

It's perfectly clear we will just kick the can down the road until Brussels get tired of their own nonsense.

Excellent confusion. Some of your best work.

More of this kind of thing.

Yet you're unable to answer.

Makes you think doesn't it? What's the border for?

Are you asking why the EU has a customs border between themselves and the rest of the world?

Let me put it as simply as possible :

Why does the EU want a hard border with NI when it doesn't have one with Switzerland?

The EU has a specific arrangement with Switzerland that they negotiated together.

The UK is out, same as the rest of the world.

There can't be a hard border on the Island of Ireland, as per the GFA.

This was highlighted prior to the referendum and written off as "project fear".

I don't know what it is that you're pretending not to understand.

Yes, I think we all understand specific countries have negotiated specific agreements. Great.

My question is, last attempt, what PURPOSE is served by a hard border?

To control the movement of goods and people in and out of the EU.

But they've tolerated enormous scale drugs, alcohol and diesel smuggling across Ireland since 1994. Bit weird surely?

Bit weird that you've veered off track from the conversation randomly with this unrelated nugget, yeah definitely.

OP is about trouble in Northern Ireland.

My post fits into the OP precisely, like a gudgeon pin into a screwed clevis. "

As usual when you see you are wrong you change the subject. Maybe one day you will consider all the areas you have been wrong & realise Brexit is rubbish.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"And yet no one can explain why Europe suddenly wants a border at all. What practical purpose is served by it that wasn't the case since the fudge of the GFA?

Brussels couldn't just be playing politics could they?

It's perfectly clear we will just kick the can down the road until Brussels get tired of their own nonsense.

Excellent confusion. Some of your best work.

More of this kind of thing.

Yet you're unable to answer.

Makes you think doesn't it? What's the border for?

Are you asking why the EU has a customs border between themselves and the rest of the world?

Let me put it as simply as possible :

Why does the EU want a hard border with NI when it doesn't have one with Switzerland?

The EU has a specific arrangement with Switzerland that they negotiated together.

The UK is out, same as the rest of the world.

There can't be a hard border on the Island of Ireland, as per the GFA.

This was highlighted prior to the referendum and written off as "project fear".

I don't know what it is that you're pretending not to understand.

Yes, I think we all understand specific countries have negotiated specific agreements. Great.

My question is, last attempt, what PURPOSE is served by a hard border?

To control the movement of goods and people in and out of the EU.

But they've tolerated enormous scale drugs, alcohol and diesel smuggling across Ireland since 1994. Bit weird surely?

Bit weird that you've veered off track from the conversation randomly with this unrelated nugget, yeah definitely.

OP is about trouble in Northern Ireland.

My post fits into the OP precisely, like a gudgeon pin into a screwed clevis. "

How did it fit to the answer to your question on the purpose of a border?

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By *uliaChrisCouple  over a year ago

westerham


"And yet no one can explain why Europe suddenly wants a border at all. What practical purpose is served by it that wasn't the case since the fudge of the GFA?

Brussels couldn't just be playing politics could they?

It's perfectly clear we will just kick the can down the road until Brussels get tired of their own nonsense.

Excellent confusion. Some of your best work.

More of this kind of thing.

Yet you're unable to answer.

Makes you think doesn't it? What's the border for?

Are you asking why the EU has a customs border between themselves and the rest of the world?

Let me put it as simply as possible :

Why does the EU want a hard border with NI when it doesn't have one with Switzerland?

The EU has a specific arrangement with Switzerland that they negotiated together.

The UK is out, same as the rest of the world.

There can't be a hard border on the Island of Ireland, as per the GFA.

This was highlighted prior to the referendum and written off as "project fear".

I don't know what it is that you're pretending not to understand.

Yes, I think we all understand specific countries have negotiated specific agreements. Great.

My question is, last attempt, what PURPOSE is served by a hard border?

To control the movement of goods and people in and out of the EU.

But they've tolerated enormous scale drugs, alcohol and diesel smuggling across Ireland since 1994. Bit weird surely?

Bit weird that you've veered off track from the conversation randomly with this unrelated nugget, yeah definitely.

OP is about trouble in Northern Ireland.

My post fits into the OP precisely, like a gudgeon pin into a screwed clevis.

How did it fit to the answer to your question on the purpose of a border?"

Uh? I’ve said smuggling has been tolerated. Across the Ireland / Northern Ireland border.

How could I be any more on topic? Comedians in here today.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"And yet no one can explain why Europe suddenly wants a border at all. What practical purpose is served by it that wasn't the case since the fudge of the GFA?

Brussels couldn't just be playing politics could they?

It's perfectly clear we will just kick the can down the road until Brussels get tired of their own nonsense.

Excellent confusion. Some of your best work.

More of this kind of thing.

Yet you're unable to answer.

Makes you think doesn't it? What's the border for?

Are you asking why the EU has a customs border between themselves and the rest of the world?

Let me put it as simply as possible :

Why does the EU want a hard border with NI when it doesn't have one with Switzerland?

The EU has a specific arrangement with Switzerland that they negotiated together.

The UK is out, same as the rest of the world.

There can't be a hard border on the Island of Ireland, as per the GFA.

This was highlighted prior to the referendum and written off as "project fear".

I don't know what it is that you're pretending not to understand.

Yes, I think we all understand specific countries have negotiated specific agreements. Great.

My question is, last attempt, what PURPOSE is served by a hard border?

To control the movement of goods and people in and out of the EU.

But they've tolerated enormous scale drugs, alcohol and diesel smuggling across Ireland since 1994. Bit weird surely?

Bit weird that you've veered off track from the conversation randomly with this unrelated nugget, yeah definitely.

OP is about trouble in Northern Ireland.

My post fits into the OP precisely, like a gudgeon pin into a screwed clevis.

How did it fit to the answer to your question on the purpose of a border?

Uh? I’ve said smuggling has been tolerated. Across the Ireland / Northern Ireland border.

How could I be any more on topic? Comedians in here today. "

You did say that. Moments earlier you asked the purpose of the border.

How is your misconceptions about someone tolerating smuggling in any way related to the problems caused by brexit with a border between NI and the rest of the UK?

Spoiler, it's not, it's completely irrelevant to the point.

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By *uliaChrisCouple  over a year ago

westerham


"And yet no one can explain why Europe suddenly wants a border at all. What practical purpose is served by it that wasn't the case since the fudge of the GFA?

Brussels couldn't just be playing politics could they?

It's perfectly clear we will just kick the can down the road until Brussels get tired of their own nonsense.

Excellent confusion. Some of your best work.

More of this kind of thing.

Yet you're unable to answer.

Makes you think doesn't it? What's the border for?

Are you asking why the EU has a customs border between themselves and the rest of the world?

Let me put it as simply as possible :

Why does the EU want a hard border with NI when it doesn't have one with Switzerland?

The EU has a specific arrangement with Switzerland that they negotiated together.

The UK is out, same as the rest of the world.

There can't be a hard border on the Island of Ireland, as per the GFA.

This was highlighted prior to the referendum and written off as "project fear".

I don't know what it is that you're pretending not to understand.

Yes, I think we all understand specific countries have negotiated specific agreements. Great.

My question is, last attempt, what PURPOSE is served by a hard border?

To control the movement of goods and people in and out of the EU.

But they've tolerated enormous scale drugs, alcohol and diesel smuggling across Ireland since 1994. Bit weird surely?

Bit weird that you've veered off track from the conversation randomly with this unrelated nugget, yeah definitely.

OP is about trouble in Northern Ireland.

My post fits into the OP precisely, like a gudgeon pin into a screwed clevis.

How did it fit to the answer to your question on the purpose of a border?

Uh? I’ve said smuggling has been tolerated. Across the Ireland / Northern Ireland border.

How could I be any more on topic? Comedians in here today.

You did say that. Moments earlier you asked the purpose of the border.

How is your misconceptions about someone tolerating smuggling in any way related to the problems caused by brexit with a border between NI and the rest of the UK?

Spoiler, it's not, it's completely irrelevant to the point."

Baffles me. You should ask Brussels, they’re the ones who want it.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"And yet no one can explain why Europe suddenly wants a border at all. What practical purpose is served by it that wasn't the case since the fudge of the GFA?

Brussels couldn't just be playing politics could they?

It's perfectly clear we will just kick the can down the road until Brussels get tired of their own nonsense.

Excellent confusion. Some of your best work.

More of this kind of thing.

Yet you're unable to answer.

Makes you think doesn't it? What's the border for?

Are you asking why the EU has a customs border between themselves and the rest of the world?

Let me put it as simply as possible :

Why does the EU want a hard border with NI when it doesn't have one with Switzerland?

The EU has a specific arrangement with Switzerland that they negotiated together.

The UK is out, same as the rest of the world.

There can't be a hard border on the Island of Ireland, as per the GFA.

This was highlighted prior to the referendum and written off as "project fear".

I don't know what it is that you're pretending not to understand.

Yes, I think we all understand specific countries have negotiated specific agreements. Great.

My question is, last attempt, what PURPOSE is served by a hard border?

To control the movement of goods and people in and out of the EU.

But they've tolerated enormous scale drugs, alcohol and diesel smuggling across Ireland since 1994. Bit weird surely? "

Yet another wild and baseless claim in relation to Ireland

The DUP were fully behind and supportive of the NI protocol despite everyone else on the Island of every political shade and hue warning them of the consequences,they didn’t listen.

The British Government negotiated and passed the protocol because bottom line NI is of little impact either politically or economically to the Tory Government.

And now it seems when the consequences become apparent to the DUP and there’s an shift in opinion polls or the likes of the TUV,they decide to fire up a few disaffected teenagers to attack the police

A majority in NI voted to stay in the EU

And something that’s often overlooked also,there are more foreign born people on the island of ireland than there are now Unionists who constitute 13/14% of the population of this island.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"And yet no one can explain why Europe suddenly wants a border at all. What practical purpose is served by it that wasn't the case since the fudge of the GFA?

Brussels couldn't just be playing politics could they?

It's perfectly clear we will just kick the can down the road until Brussels get tired of their own nonsense.

Excellent confusion. Some of your best work.

More of this kind of thing.

Yet you're unable to answer.

Makes you think doesn't it? What's the border for?

Are you asking why the EU has a customs border between themselves and the rest of the world?

Let me put it as simply as possible :

Why does the EU want a hard border with NI when it doesn't have one with Switzerland?

The EU has a specific arrangement with Switzerland that they negotiated together.

The UK is out, same as the rest of the world.

There can't be a hard border on the Island of Ireland, as per the GFA.

This was highlighted prior to the referendum and written off as "project fear".

I don't know what it is that you're pretending not to understand.

Yes, I think we all understand specific countries have negotiated specific agreements. Great.

My question is, last attempt, what PURPOSE is served by a hard border?

To control the movement of goods and people in and out of the EU.

But they've tolerated enormous scale drugs, alcohol and diesel smuggling across Ireland since 1994. Bit weird surely?

Bit weird that you've veered off track from the conversation randomly with this unrelated nugget, yeah definitely.

OP is about trouble in Northern Ireland.

My post fits into the OP precisely, like a gudgeon pin into a screwed clevis.

How did it fit to the answer to your question on the purpose of a border?

Uh? I’ve said smuggling has been tolerated. Across the Ireland / Northern Ireland border.

How could I be any more on topic? Comedians in here today.

You did say that. Moments earlier you asked the purpose of the border.

How is your misconceptions about someone tolerating smuggling in any way related to the problems caused by brexit with a border between NI and the rest of the UK?

Spoiler, it's not, it's completely irrelevant to the point.

Baffles me. You should ask Brussels, they’re the ones who want it. "

I can see you're baffled. It's a very basic concept though.

I don't know what you're not understanding.

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By *uliaChrisCouple  over a year ago

westerham


"And yet no one can explain why Europe suddenly wants a border at all. What practical purpose is served by it that wasn't the case since the fudge of the GFA?

Brussels couldn't just be playing politics could they?

It's perfectly clear we will just kick the can down the road until Brussels get tired of their own nonsense.

Excellent confusion. Some of your best work.

More of this kind of thing.

Yet you're unable to answer.

Makes you think doesn't it? What's the border for?

Are you asking why the EU has a customs border between themselves and the rest of the world?

Let me put it as simply as possible :

Why does the EU want a hard border with NI when it doesn't have one with Switzerland?

The EU has a specific arrangement with Switzerland that they negotiated together.

The UK is out, same as the rest of the world.

There can't be a hard border on the Island of Ireland, as per the GFA.

This was highlighted prior to the referendum and written off as "project fear".

I don't know what it is that you're pretending not to understand.

Yes, I think we all understand specific countries have negotiated specific agreements. Great.

My question is, last attempt, what PURPOSE is served by a hard border?

To control the movement of goods and people in and out of the EU.

But they've tolerated enormous scale drugs, alcohol and diesel smuggling across Ireland since 1994. Bit weird surely?

Yet another wild and baseless claim in relation to Ireland

The DUP were fully behind and supportive of the NI protocol despite everyone else on the Island of every political shade and hue warning them of the consequences,they didn’t listen.

The British Government negotiated and passed the protocol because bottom line NI is of little impact either politically or economically to the Tory Government.

And now it seems when the consequences become apparent to the DUP and there’s an shift in opinion polls or the likes of the TUV,they decide to fire up a few disaffected teenagers to attack the police

A majority in NI voted to stay in the EU

And something that’s often overlooked also,there are more foreign born people on the island of ireland than there are now Unionists who constitute 13/14% of the population of this island.

"

Don't know why the DUP keeps getting mentioned they're irrelevant. It's Brussels causing the problem.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"And yet no one can explain why Europe suddenly wants a border at all. What practical purpose is served by it that wasn't the case since the fudge of the GFA?

Brussels couldn't just be playing politics could they?

It's perfectly clear we will just kick the can down the road until Brussels get tired of their own nonsense.

Excellent confusion. Some of your best work.

More of this kind of thing.

Yet you're unable to answer.

Makes you think doesn't it? What's the border for?

Are you asking why the EU has a customs border between themselves and the rest of the world?

Let me put it as simply as possible :

Why does the EU want a hard border with NI when it doesn't have one with Switzerland?

The EU has a specific arrangement with Switzerland that they negotiated together.

The UK is out, same as the rest of the world.

There can't be a hard border on the Island of Ireland, as per the GFA.

This was highlighted prior to the referendum and written off as "project fear".

I don't know what it is that you're pretending not to understand.

Yes, I think we all understand specific countries have negotiated specific agreements. Great.

My question is, last attempt, what PURPOSE is served by a hard border?

To control the movement of goods and people in and out of the EU.

But they've tolerated enormous scale drugs, alcohol and diesel smuggling across Ireland since 1994. Bit weird surely?

Yet another wild and baseless claim in relation to Ireland

The DUP were fully behind and supportive of the NI protocol despite everyone else on the Island of every political shade and hue warning them of the consequences,they didn’t listen.

The British Government negotiated and passed the protocol because bottom line NI is of little impact either politically or economically to the Tory Government.

And now it seems when the consequences become apparent to the DUP and there’s an shift in opinion polls or the likes of the TUV,they decide to fire up a few disaffected teenagers to attack the police

A majority in NI voted to stay in the EU

And something that’s often overlooked also,there are more foreign born people on the island of ireland than there are now Unionists who constitute 13/14% of the population of this island.

Don't know why the DUP keeps getting mentioned they're irrelevant. It's Brussels causing the problem. "

Stop blaming the capital of Belgium, it has nothing to do with them

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"And yet no one can explain why Europe suddenly wants a border at all. What practical purpose is served by it that wasn't the case since the fudge of the GFA?

Brussels couldn't just be playing politics could they?

It's perfectly clear we will just kick the can down the road until Brussels get tired of their own nonsense.

Excellent confusion. Some of your best work.

More of this kind of thing.

Yet you're unable to answer.

Makes you think doesn't it? What's the border for?

Are you asking why the EU has a customs border between themselves and the rest of the world?

Let me put it as simply as possible :

Why does the EU want a hard border with NI when it doesn't have one with Switzerland?

The EU has a specific arrangement with Switzerland that they negotiated together.

The UK is out, same as the rest of the world.

There can't be a hard border on the Island of Ireland, as per the GFA.

This was highlighted prior to the referendum and written off as "project fear".

I don't know what it is that you're pretending not to understand.

Yes, I think we all understand specific countries have negotiated specific agreements. Great.

My question is, last attempt, what PURPOSE is served by a hard border?

To control the movement of goods and people in and out of the EU.

But they've tolerated enormous scale drugs, alcohol and diesel smuggling across Ireland since 1994. Bit weird surely?

Yet another wild and baseless claim in relation to Ireland

The DUP were fully behind and supportive of the NI protocol despite everyone else on the Island of every political shade and hue warning them of the consequences,they didn’t listen.

The British Government negotiated and passed the protocol because bottom line NI is of little impact either politically or economically to the Tory Government.

And now it seems when the consequences become apparent to the DUP and there’s an shift in opinion polls or the likes of the TUV,they decide to fire up a few disaffected teenagers to attack the police

A majority in NI voted to stay in the EU

And something that’s often overlooked also,there are more foreign born people on the island of ireland than there are now Unionists who constitute 13/14% of the population of this island.

Don't know why the DUP keeps getting mentioned they're irrelevant. It's Brussels causing the problem. "

It’s fairly clear that you don’t have a clue yet again what you are talking about

Yet again

Your fixation with Brussels is tiresome at this stage

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"And yet no one can explain why Europe suddenly wants a border at all. What practical purpose is served by it that wasn't the case since the fudge of the GFA?

Brussels couldn't just be playing politics could they?

It's perfectly clear we will just kick the can down the road until Brussels get tired of their own nonsense.

Excellent confusion. Some of your best work.

More of this kind of thing.

Yet you're unable to answer.

Makes you think doesn't it? What's the border for?

Are you asking why the EU has a customs border between themselves and the rest of the world?

Let me put it as simply as possible :

Why does the EU want a hard border with NI when it doesn't have one with Switzerland?

The EU has a specific arrangement with Switzerland that they negotiated together.

The UK is out, same as the rest of the world.

There can't be a hard border on the Island of Ireland, as per the GFA.

This was highlighted prior to the referendum and written off as "project fear".

I don't know what it is that you're pretending not to understand.

Yes, I think we all understand specific countries have negotiated specific agreements. Great.

My question is, last attempt, what PURPOSE is served by a hard border?

To control the movement of goods and people in and out of the EU.

But they've tolerated enormous scale drugs, alcohol and diesel smuggling across Ireland since 1994. Bit weird surely?

Yet another wild and baseless claim in relation to Ireland

The DUP were fully behind and supportive of the NI protocol despite everyone else on the Island of every political shade and hue warning them of the consequences,they didn’t listen.

The British Government negotiated and passed the protocol because bottom line NI is of little impact either politically or economically to the Tory Government.

And now it seems when the consequences become apparent to the DUP and there’s an shift in opinion polls or the likes of the TUV,they decide to fire up a few disaffected teenagers to attack the police

A majority in NI voted to stay in the EU

And something that’s often overlooked also,there are more foreign born people on the island of ireland than there are now Unionists who constitute 13/14% of the population of this island.

Don't know why the DUP keeps getting mentioned they're irrelevant. It's Brussels causing the problem.

It’s fairly clear that you don’t have a clue yet again what you are talking about

Yet again

Your fixation with Brussels is tiresome at this stage

"

The reality is, this chap is playing a character, or finds it easier to try to blame everyone else than admit that Brexit is causing all these problems.

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By *eparrain1Man  over a year ago

Stone


"And yet no one can explain why Europe suddenly wants a border at all. What practical purpose is served by it that wasn't the case since the fudge of the GFA?

Brussels couldn't just be playing politics could they?

It's perfectly clear we will just kick the can down the road until Brussels get tired of their own nonsense.

Excellent confusion. Some of your best work.

More of this kind of thing.

Yet you're unable to answer.

Makes you think doesn't it? What's the border for?

Are you asking why the EU has a customs border between themselves and the rest of the world?

Let me put it as simply as possible :

Why does the EU want a hard border with NI when it doesn't have one with Switzerland?

The EU has a specific arrangement with Switzerland that they negotiated together.

The UK is out, same as the rest of the world.

There can't be a hard border on the Island of Ireland, as per the GFA.

This was highlighted prior to the referendum and written off as "project fear".

I don't know what it is that you're pretending not to understand.

Yes, I think we all understand specific countries have negotiated specific agreements. Great.

My question is, last attempt, what PURPOSE is served by a hard border?

To control the movement of goods and people in and out of the EU.

But they've tolerated enormous scale drugs, alcohol and diesel smuggling across Ireland since 1994. Bit weird surely?

Yet another wild and baseless claim in relation to Ireland

The DUP were fully behind and supportive of the NI protocol despite everyone else on the Island of every political shade and hue warning them of the consequences,they didn’t listen.

The British Government negotiated and passed the protocol because bottom line NI is of little impact either politically or economically to the Tory Government.

And now it seems when the consequences become apparent to the DUP and there’s an shift in opinion polls or the likes of the TUV,they decide to fire up a few disaffected teenagers to attack the police

A majority in NI voted to stay in the EU

And something that’s often overlooked also,there are more foreign born people on the island of ireland than there are now Unionists who constitute 13/14% of the population of this island.

Don't know why the DUP keeps getting mentioned they're irrelevant. It's Brussels causing the problem.

It’s fairly clear that you don’t have a clue yet again what you are talking about

Yet again

Your fixation with Brussels is tiresome at this stage

"

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By *uliaChrisCouple  over a year ago

westerham


"And yet no one can explain why Europe suddenly wants a border at all. What practical purpose is served by it that wasn't the case since the fudge of the GFA?

Brussels couldn't just be playing politics could they?

It's perfectly clear we will just kick the can down the road until Brussels get tired of their own nonsense.

Excellent confusion. Some of your best work.

More of this kind of thing.

Yet you're unable to answer.

Makes you think doesn't it? What's the border for?

Are you asking why the EU has a customs border between themselves and the rest of the world?

Let me put it as simply as possible :

Why does the EU want a hard border with NI when it doesn't have one with Switzerland?

The EU has a specific arrangement with Switzerland that they negotiated together.

The UK is out, same as the rest of the world.

There can't be a hard border on the Island of Ireland, as per the GFA.

This was highlighted prior to the referendum and written off as "project fear".

I don't know what it is that you're pretending not to understand.

Yes, I think we all understand specific countries have negotiated specific agreements. Great.

My question is, last attempt, what PURPOSE is served by a hard border?

To control the movement of goods and people in and out of the EU.

But they've tolerated enormous scale drugs, alcohol and diesel smuggling across Ireland since 1994. Bit weird surely?

Yet another wild and baseless claim in relation to Ireland

The DUP were fully behind and supportive of the NI protocol despite everyone else on the Island of every political shade and hue warning them of the consequences,they didn’t listen.

The British Government negotiated and passed the protocol because bottom line NI is of little impact either politically or economically to the Tory Government.

And now it seems when the consequences become apparent to the DUP and there’s an shift in opinion polls or the likes of the TUV,they decide to fire up a few disaffected teenagers to attack the police

A majority in NI voted to stay in the EU

And something that’s often overlooked also,there are more foreign born people on the island of ireland than there are now Unionists who constitute 13/14% of the population of this island.

Don't know why the DUP keeps getting mentioned they're irrelevant. It's Brussels causing the problem.

It’s fairly clear that you don’t have a clue yet again what you are talking about

Yet again

Your fixation with Brussels is tiresome at this stage

"

All I'm doing is proposing solutions. Seems like so may people don't want to face reality.

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By *ethnmelvCouple  over a year ago

Chudleigh


"And yet no one can explain why Europe suddenly wants a border at all. What practical purpose is served by it that wasn't the case since the fudge of the GFA?

Brussels couldn't just be playing politics could they?

It's perfectly clear we will just kick the can down the road until Brussels get tired of their own nonsense.

Excellent confusion. Some of your best work.

More of this kind of thing.

Yet you're unable to answer.

Makes you think doesn't it? What's the border for?

Are you asking why the EU has a customs border between themselves and the rest of the world?

Let me put it as simply as possible :

Why does the EU want a hard border with NI when it doesn't have one with Switzerland?

The EU has a specific arrangement with Switzerland that they negotiated together.

The UK is out, same as the rest of the world.

There can't be a hard border on the Island of Ireland, as per the GFA.

This was highlighted prior to the referendum and written off as "project fear".

I don't know what it is that you're pretending not to understand.

Yes, I think we all understand specific countries have negotiated specific agreements. Great.

My question is, last attempt, what PURPOSE is served by a hard border?

To control the movement of goods and people in and out of the EU.

But they've tolerated enormous scale drugs, alcohol and diesel smuggling across Ireland since 1994. Bit weird surely?

Yet another wild and baseless claim in relation to Ireland

The DUP were fully behind and supportive of the NI protocol despite everyone else on the Island of every political shade and hue warning them of the consequences,they didn’t listen.

The British Government negotiated and passed the protocol because bottom line NI is of little impact either politically or economically to the Tory Government.

And now it seems when the consequences become apparent to the DUP and there’s an shift in opinion polls or the likes of the TUV,they decide to fire up a few disaffected teenagers to attack the police

A majority in NI voted to stay in the EU

And something that’s often overlooked also,there are more foreign born people on the island of ireland than there are now Unionists who constitute 13/14% of the population of this island.

Don't know why the DUP keeps getting mentioned they're irrelevant. It's Brussels causing the problem.

It’s fairly clear that you don’t have a clue yet again what you are talking about

Yet again

Your fixation with Brussels is tiresome at this stage

All I'm doing is proposing solutions. Seems like so may people don't want to face reality. "

How about we roll back Brexit and most people will be a lot happier - that is a more plausible solution

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By *ethnmelvCouple  over a year ago

Chudleigh


"And yet no one can explain why Europe suddenly wants a border at all. What practical purpose is served by it that wasn't the case since the fudge of the GFA?

Brussels couldn't just be playing politics could they?

It's perfectly clear we will just kick the can down the road until Brussels get tired of their own nonsense.

Excellent confusion. Some of your best work.

More of this kind of thing.

Yet you're unable to answer.

Makes you think doesn't it? What's the border for?

Are you asking why the EU has a customs border between themselves and the rest of the world?

Let me put it as simply as possible :

Why does the EU want a hard border with NI when it doesn't have one with Switzerland?

The EU has a specific arrangement with Switzerland that they negotiated together.

The UK is out, same as the rest of the world.

There can't be a hard border on the Island of Ireland, as per the GFA.

This was highlighted prior to the referendum and written off as "project fear".

I don't know what it is that you're pretending not to understand.

Yes, I think we all understand specific countries have negotiated specific agreements. Great.

My question is, last attempt, what PURPOSE is served by a hard border?

To control the movement of goods and people in and out of the EU.

But they've tolerated enormous scale drugs, alcohol and diesel smuggling across Ireland since 1994. Bit weird surely?

Yet another wild and baseless claim in relation to Ireland

The DUP were fully behind and supportive of the NI protocol despite everyone else on the Island of every political shade and hue warning them of the consequences,they didn’t listen.

The British Government negotiated and passed the protocol because bottom line NI is of little impact either politically or economically to the Tory Government.

And now it seems when the consequences become apparent to the DUP and there’s an shift in opinion polls or the likes of the TUV,they decide to fire up a few disaffected teenagers to attack the police

A majority in NI voted to stay in the EU

And something that’s often overlooked also,there are more foreign born people on the island of ireland than there are now Unionists who constitute 13/14% of the population of this island.

Don't know why the DUP keeps getting mentioned they're irrelevant. It's Brussels causing the problem.

It’s fairly clear that you don’t have a clue yet again what you are talking about

Yet again

Your fixation with Brussels is tiresome at this stage

All I'm doing is proposing solutions. Seems like so may people don't want to face reality.

How about we roll back Brexit and most people will be a lot happier - that is a more plausible solution "

I note that whilst 41 Police persons have been injured in NI over the past 3 nights, the resumption of ‘the troubles’ isn’t enough for the loony right to say adhere to the GFA?

I so want NI to be peaceful, but it seems this is a price they are willing to pay! None of this is the fault of the EU, Boris reneged on the deal with Ireland & the EU (& the US). This is serious & too many people have been killed already

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By *loughing the landMan  over a year ago

Cambridge


"And yet no one can explain why Europe suddenly wants a border at all. What practical purpose is served by it that wasn't the case since the fudge of the GFA?

Brussels couldn't just be playing politics could they?

It's perfectly clear we will just kick the can down the road until Brussels get tired of their own nonsense.

Excellent confusion. Some of your best work.

More of this kind of thing.

Yet you're unable to answer.

Makes you think doesn't it? What's the border for?

Are you asking why the EU has a customs border between themselves and the rest of the world?

Let me put it as simply as possible :

Why does the EU want a hard border with NI when it doesn't have one with Switzerland?

The EU has a specific arrangement with Switzerland that they negotiated together.

The UK is out, same as the rest of the world.

There can't be a hard border on the Island of Ireland, as per the GFA.

This was highlighted prior to the referendum and written off as "project fear".

I don't know what it is that you're pretending not to understand.

Yes, I think we all understand specific countries have negotiated specific agreements. Great.

My question is, last attempt, what PURPOSE is served by a hard border?

To control the movement of goods and people in and out of the EU.

But they've tolerated enormous scale drugs, alcohol and diesel smuggling across Ireland since 1994. Bit weird surely?

Yet another wild and baseless claim in relation to Ireland

The DUP were fully behind and supportive of the NI protocol despite everyone else on the Island of every political shade and hue warning them of the consequences,they didn’t listen.

The British Government negotiated and passed the protocol because bottom line NI is of little impact either politically or economically to the Tory Government.

And now it seems when the consequences become apparent to the DUP and there’s an shift in opinion polls or the likes of the TUV,they decide to fire up a few disaffected teenagers to attack the police

A majority in NI voted to stay in the EU

And something that’s often overlooked also,there are more foreign born people on the island of ireland than there are now Unionists who constitute 13/14% of the population of this island.

Don't know why the DUP keeps getting mentioned they're irrelevant. It's Brussels causing the problem.

It’s fairly clear that you don’t have a clue yet again what you are talking about

Yet again

Your fixation with Brussels is tiresome at this stage

All I'm doing is proposing solutions. Seems like so may people don't want to face reality.

How about we roll back Brexit and most people will be a lot happier - that is a more plausible solution

I note that whilst 41 Police persons have been injured in NI over the past 3 nights, the resumption of ‘the troubles’ isn’t enough for the loony right to say adhere to the GFA?

I so want NI to be peaceful, but it seems this is a price they are willing to pay! None of this is the fault of the EU, Boris reneged on the deal with Ireland & the EU (& the US). This is serious & too many people have been killed already "

It is difficult to see what relevance the GFA has to this scenario. It was drawn up 25 years ago when Brexit was not even being considered. Had the EU chosen to take a pragmatic approach to the border issue , the border issue would not have arisen. As things stand the current controls are making life more difficult for cross channel hauliers. Boris has never at any stage indicated that he wanted a border in Ireland. This appears to be an EU requirement. If anything? Boris has indicated his unconditional support for the people of Northern Ireland by supporting the structure of a floating bridge between Belfast and Scotland.

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By *oo hotCouple  over a year ago

North West


"And yet no one can explain why Europe suddenly wants a border at all. What practical purpose is served by it that wasn't the case since the fudge of the GFA?

Brussels couldn't just be playing politics could they?

It's perfectly clear we will just kick the can down the road until Brussels get tired of their own nonsense.

Excellent confusion. Some of your best work.

More of this kind of thing.

Yet you're unable to answer.

Makes you think doesn't it? What's the border for?

Are you asking why the EU has a customs border between themselves and the rest of the world?

Let me put it as simply as possible :

Why does the EU want a hard border with NI when it doesn't have one with Switzerland?

The EU has a specific arrangement with Switzerland that they negotiated together.

The UK is out, same as the rest of the world.

There can't be a hard border on the Island of Ireland, as per the GFA.

This was highlighted prior to the referendum and written off as "project fear".

I don't know what it is that you're pretending not to understand.

Yes, I think we all understand specific countries have negotiated specific agreements. Great.

My question is, last attempt, what PURPOSE is served by a hard border?

To control the movement of goods and people in and out of the EU.

But they've tolerated enormous scale drugs, alcohol and diesel smuggling across Ireland since 1994. Bit weird surely?

Yet another wild and baseless claim in relation to Ireland

The DUP were fully behind and supportive of the NI protocol despite everyone else on the Island of every political shade and hue warning them of the consequences,they didn’t listen.

The British Government negotiated and passed the protocol because bottom line NI is of little impact either politically or economically to the Tory Government.

And now it seems when the consequences become apparent to the DUP and there’s an shift in opinion polls or the likes of the TUV,they decide to fire up a few disaffected teenagers to attack the police

A majority in NI voted to stay in the EU

And something that’s often overlooked also,there are more foreign born people on the island of ireland than there are now Unionists who constitute 13/14% of the population of this island.

Don't know why the DUP keeps getting mentioned they're irrelevant. It's Brussels causing the problem.

It’s fairly clear that you don’t have a clue yet again what you are talking about

Yet again

Your fixation with Brussels is tiresome at this stage

All I'm doing is proposing solutions. Seems like so may people don't want to face reality.

How about we roll back Brexit and most people will be a lot happier - that is a more plausible solution

I note that whilst 41 Police persons have been injured in NI over the past 3 nights, the resumption of ‘the troubles’ isn’t enough for the loony right to say adhere to the GFA?

I so want NI to be peaceful, but it seems this is a price they are willing to pay! None of this is the fault of the EU, Boris reneged on the deal with Ireland & the EU (& the US). This is serious & too many people have been killed already It is difficult to see what relevance the GFA has to this scenario. It was drawn up 25 years ago when Brexit was not even being considered. Had the EU chosen to take a pragmatic approach to the border issue , the border issue would not have arisen. As things stand the current controls are making life more difficult for cross channel hauliers. Boris has never at any stage indicated that he wanted a border in Ireland. This appears to be an EU requirement. If anything? Boris has indicated his unconditional support for the people of Northern Ireland by supporting the structure of a floating bridge between Belfast and Scotland. "

Pat,

Do you you understand the asymmetric relationship that we have with the EU? They happen to value rules, regulations snd transparent order as a means of protecting the Single Market (ironically the brainchild of Margaret Thatcher - but I digress). The asymmetric relationship is what matters.

You must surely accept that “Leaving the eu” was aggressively promoted as doing our own thing outside of the EU and Theresa May’s backstop compromise was kicked into touch by Boris Johnson and other fervent Brextremists.

So here we are hoping/moaning/complaining that the massively bigger economy across the English Channel is not doing what we want them to do. C’est la vie, we voted to leave and now we can’t even influence the thought processes of the EU because we are the junior partner in that relationship with no inside influence.

A massive strategic loss, wrapped up in a Union Jack and no doubt revered by some in the future as important as Dunkirk was in the past.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"And yet no one can explain why Europe suddenly wants a border at all. What practical purpose is served by it that wasn't the case since the fudge of the GFA?

Brussels couldn't just be playing politics could they?

It's perfectly clear we will just kick the can down the road until Brussels get tired of their own nonsense.

Excellent confusion. Some of your best work.

More of this kind of thing.

Yet you're unable to answer.

Makes you think doesn't it? What's the border for?

Are you asking why the EU has a customs border between themselves and the rest of the world?

Let me put it as simply as possible :

Why does the EU want a hard border with NI when it doesn't have one with Switzerland?

The EU has a specific arrangement with Switzerland that they negotiated together.

The UK is out, same as the rest of the world.

There can't be a hard border on the Island of Ireland, as per the GFA.

This was highlighted prior to the referendum and written off as "project fear".

I don't know what it is that you're pretending not to understand.

Yes, I think we all understand specific countries have negotiated specific agreements. Great.

My question is, last attempt, what PURPOSE is served by a hard border?

To control the movement of goods and people in and out of the EU.

But they've tolerated enormous scale drugs, alcohol and diesel smuggling across Ireland since 1994. Bit weird surely?

Yet another wild and baseless claim in relation to Ireland

The DUP were fully behind and supportive of the NI protocol despite everyone else on the Island of every political shade and hue warning them of the consequences,they didn’t listen.

The British Government negotiated and passed the protocol because bottom line NI is of little impact either politically or economically to the Tory Government.

And now it seems when the consequences become apparent to the DUP and there’s an shift in opinion polls or the likes of the TUV,they decide to fire up a few disaffected teenagers to attack the police

A majority in NI voted to stay in the EU

And something that’s often overlooked also,there are more foreign born people on the island of ireland than there are now Unionists who constitute 13/14% of the population of this island.

Don't know why the DUP keeps getting mentioned they're irrelevant. It's Brussels causing the problem.

It’s fairly clear that you don’t have a clue yet again what you are talking about

Yet again

Your fixation with Brussels is tiresome at this stage

All I'm doing is proposing solutions. Seems like so may people don't want to face reality.

How about we roll back Brexit and most people will be a lot happier - that is a more plausible solution

I note that whilst 41 Police persons have been injured in NI over the past 3 nights, the resumption of ‘the troubles’ isn’t enough for the loony right to say adhere to the GFA?

I so want NI to be peaceful, but it seems this is a price they are willing to pay! None of this is the fault of the EU, Boris reneged on the deal with Ireland & the EU (& the US). This is serious & too many people have been killed already It is difficult to see what relevance the GFA has to this scenario. It was drawn up 25 years ago when Brexit was not even being considered. Had the EU chosen to take a pragmatic approach to the border issue , the border issue would not have arisen. As things stand the current controls are making life more difficult for cross channel hauliers. Boris has never at any stage indicated that he wanted a border in Ireland. This appears to be an EU requirement. If anything? Boris has indicated his unconditional support for the people of Northern Ireland by supporting the structure of a floating bridge between Belfast and Scotland. "

“Boris has shown his unconditional support for the people of NI supporting the structure of a floating bridge between Belfast and Scotland”

Boris has ludicrous idea and you think that equals support for the people of NI?

A floating bridge no less

You should read up on the sea conditions on the north channel nevermind the munitions dumped there

This proposed piece of lunacy would cost cost £20bn plus

And yet there’s no motorway between Belfast and Dublin on the NI side

There’s a cattle track between Derry and Belfast

The rail system is archaic in NI into the bargain

For £2bn you’d get a state of the art rail system that would serve the whole of NI,that’s a tenth of Boris back of an envelope proposal

Unconditional support my arse

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By *loughing the landMan  over a year ago

Cambridge


"And yet no one can explain why Europe suddenly wants a border at all. What practical purpose is served by it that wasn't the case since the fudge of the GFA?

Brussels couldn't just be playing politics could they?

It's perfectly clear we will just kick the can down the road until Brussels get tired of their own nonsense.

Excellent confusion. Some of your best work.

More of this kind of thing.

Yet you're unable to answer.

Makes you think doesn't it? What's the border for?

Are you asking why the EU has a customs border between themselves and the rest of the world?

Let me put it as simply as possible :

Why does the EU want a hard border with NI when it doesn't have one with Switzerland?

The EU has a specific arrangement with Switzerland that they negotiated together.

The UK is out, same as the rest of the world.

There can't be a hard border on the Island of Ireland, as per the GFA.

This was highlighted prior to the referendum and written off as "project fear".

I don't know what it is that you're pretending not to understand.

Yes, I think we all understand specific countries have negotiated specific agreements. Great.

My question is, last attempt, what PURPOSE is served by a hard border?

To control the movement of goods and people in and out of the EU.

But they've tolerated enormous scale drugs, alcohol and diesel smuggling across Ireland since 1994. Bit weird surely?

Yet another wild and baseless claim in relation to Ireland

The DUP were fully behind and supportive of the NI protocol despite everyone else on the Island of every political shade and hue warning them of the consequences,they didn’t listen.

The British Government negotiated and passed the protocol because bottom line NI is of little impact either politically or economically to the Tory Government.

And now it seems when the consequences become apparent to the DUP and there’s an shift in opinion polls or the likes of the TUV,they decide to fire up a few disaffected teenagers to attack the police

A majority in NI voted to stay in the EU

And something that’s often overlooked also,there are more foreign born people on the island of ireland than there are now Unionists who constitute 13/14% of the population of this island.

Don't know why the DUP keeps getting mentioned they're irrelevant. It's Brussels causing the problem.

It’s fairly clear that you don’t have a clue yet again what you are talking about

Yet again

Your fixation with Brussels is tiresome at this stage

All I'm doing is proposing solutions. Seems like so may people don't want to face reality.

How about we roll back Brexit and most people will be a lot happier - that is a more plausible solution

I note that whilst 41 Police persons have been injured in NI over the past 3 nights, the resumption of ‘the troubles’ isn’t enough for the loony right to say adhere to the GFA?

I so want NI to be peaceful, but it seems this is a price they are willing to pay! None of this is the fault of the EU, Boris reneged on the deal with Ireland & the EU (& the US). This is serious & too many people have been killed already It is difficult to see what relevance the GFA has to this scenario. It was drawn up 25 years ago when Brexit was not even being considered. Had the EU chosen to take a pragmatic approach to the border issue , the border issue would not have arisen. As things stand the current controls are making life more difficult for cross channel hauliers. Boris has never at any stage indicated that he wanted a border in Ireland. This appears to be an EU requirement. If anything? Boris has indicated his unconditional support for the people of Northern Ireland by supporting the structure of a floating bridge between Belfast and Scotland.

“Boris has shown his unconditional support for the people of NI supporting the structure of a floating bridge between Belfast and Scotland”

Boris has ludicrous idea and you think that equals support for the people of NI?

A floating bridge no less

You should read up on the sea conditions on the north channel nevermind the munitions dumped there

This proposed piece of lunacy would cost cost £20bn plus

And yet there’s no motorway between Belfast and Dublin on the NI side

There’s a cattle track between Derry and Belfast

The rail system is archaic in NI into the bargain

For £2bn you’d get a state of the art rail system that would serve the whole of NI,that’s a tenth of Boris back of an envelope proposal

Unconditional support my arse "

The journey from Belfast to Londonderry is 71 miles , of which at least 50 miles will either be motorway or dual carriageways by 2022. This is hardly what you describe as being a cattle track. The sections not yet upgraded are in less use and have where appropriate climbing lanes .

The tunnel or floating bridge between Belfast and NI has been discussed on a number of occasions. It may seem a ridiculous idea to some but the more progressive members of society prefer to move forwards and progress with modern technology. It would be a boost to the NI economy .

At least Boris Johnson and his government can think beyond the middle class elite of Islington and take into account the needs and concerns of every area of the UK.

Yet despite all this consideration people are criticising him for proposing what would be a fantastic engineering achievement.

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By *oo hotCouple  over a year ago

North West


"And yet no one can explain why Europe suddenly wants a border at all. What practical purpose is served by it that wasn't the case since the fudge of the GFA?

Brussels couldn't just be playing politics could they?

It's perfectly clear we will just kick the can down the road until Brussels get tired of their own nonsense.

Excellent confusion. Some of your best work.

More of this kind of thing.

Yet you're unable to answer.

Makes you think doesn't it? What's the border for?

Are you asking why the EU has a customs border between themselves and the rest of the world?

Let me put it as simply as possible :

Why does the EU want a hard border with NI when it doesn't have one with Switzerland?

The EU has a specific arrangement with Switzerland that they negotiated together.

The UK is out, same as the rest of the world.

There can't be a hard border on the Island of Ireland, as per the GFA.

This was highlighted prior to the referendum and written off as "project fear".

I don't know what it is that you're pretending not to understand.

Yes, I think we all understand specific countries have negotiated specific agreements. Great.

My question is, last attempt, what PURPOSE is served by a hard border?

To control the movement of goods and people in and out of the EU.

But they've tolerated enormous scale drugs, alcohol and diesel smuggling across Ireland since 1994. Bit weird surely?

Yet another wild and baseless claim in relation to Ireland

The DUP were fully behind and supportive of the NI protocol despite everyone else on the Island of every political shade and hue warning them of the consequences,they didn’t listen.

The British Government negotiated and passed the protocol because bottom line NI is of little impact either politically or economically to the Tory Government.

And now it seems when the consequences become apparent to the DUP and there’s an shift in opinion polls or the likes of the TUV,they decide to fire up a few disaffected teenagers to attack the police

A majority in NI voted to stay in the EU

And something that’s often overlooked also,there are more foreign born people on the island of ireland than there are now Unionists who constitute 13/14% of the population of this island.

Don't know why the DUP keeps getting mentioned they're irrelevant. It's Brussels causing the problem.

It’s fairly clear that you don’t have a clue yet again what you are talking about

Yet again

Your fixation with Brussels is tiresome at this stage

All I'm doing is proposing solutions. Seems like so may people don't want to face reality.

How about we roll back Brexit and most people will be a lot happier - that is a more plausible solution

I note that whilst 41 Police persons have been injured in NI over the past 3 nights, the resumption of ‘the troubles’ isn’t enough for the loony right to say adhere to the GFA?

I so want NI to be peaceful, but it seems this is a price they are willing to pay! None of this is the fault of the EU, Boris reneged on the deal with Ireland & the EU (& the US). This is serious & too many people have been killed already It is difficult to see what relevance the GFA has to this scenario. It was drawn up 25 years ago when Brexit was not even being considered. Had the EU chosen to take a pragmatic approach to the border issue , the border issue would not have arisen. As things stand the current controls are making life more difficult for cross channel hauliers. Boris has never at any stage indicated that he wanted a border in Ireland. This appears to be an EU requirement. If anything? Boris has indicated his unconditional support for the people of Northern Ireland by supporting the structure of a floating bridge between Belfast and Scotland.

“Boris has shown his unconditional support for the people of NI supporting the structure of a floating bridge between Belfast and Scotland”

Boris has ludicrous idea and you think that equals support for the people of NI?

A floating bridge no less

You should read up on the sea conditions on the north channel nevermind the munitions dumped there

This proposed piece of lunacy would cost cost £20bn plus

And yet there’s no motorway between Belfast and Dublin on the NI side

There’s a cattle track between Derry and Belfast

The rail system is archaic in NI into the bargain

For £2bn you’d get a state of the art rail system that would serve the whole of NI,that’s a tenth of Boris back of an envelope proposal

Unconditional support my arse The journey from Belfast to Londonderry is 71 miles , of which at least 50 miles will either be motorway or dual carriageways by 2022. This is hardly what you describe as being a cattle track. The sections not yet upgraded are in less use and have where appropriate climbing lanes .

The tunnel or floating bridge between Belfast and NI has been discussed on a number of occasions. It may seem a ridiculous idea to some but the more progressive members of society prefer to move forwards and progress with modern technology. It would be a boost to the NI economy .

At least Boris Johnson and his government can think beyond the middle class elite of Islington and take into account the needs and concerns of every area of the UK.

Yet despite all this consideration people are criticising him for proposing what would be a fantastic engineering achievement. "

The bridge idea, just like it’s predecessor - the tunnel is nothing more than a dog whistle to the Loyalists. Whilst he is sticking a knife in their back he is promising them a rosy future.

It is beyond belief that anyone can think that this is even remotely viable. Boris is gesturing that N Ireland remains important to him whilst he is simultaneously offering the people of N Ireland up as sacrificial lambs at the Altar of Brexit.

It’s a gesture to distract from the fact that with his Brexit protocols, Boris has finally accepted that the future of N Ireland is inevitably going to be with Eire and not with the U.K.

Loyalist goons are easily distracted.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"And yet no one can explain why Europe suddenly wants a border at all. What practical purpose is served by it that wasn't the case since the fudge of the GFA?

Brussels couldn't just be playing politics could they?

It's perfectly clear we will just kick the can down the road until Brussels get tired of their own nonsense.

Excellent confusion. Some of your best work.

More of this kind of thing.

Yet you're unable to answer.

Makes you think doesn't it? What's the border for?

Are you asking why the EU has a customs border between themselves and the rest of the world?

Let me put it as simply as possible :

Why does the EU want a hard border with NI when it doesn't have one with Switzerland?

The EU has a specific arrangement with Switzerland that they negotiated together.

The UK is out, same as the rest of the world.

There can't be a hard border on the Island of Ireland, as per the GFA.

This was highlighted prior to the referendum and written off as "project fear".

I don't know what it is that you're pretending not to understand.

Yes, I think we all understand specific countries have negotiated specific agreements. Great.

My question is, last attempt, what PURPOSE is served by a hard border?

To control the movement of goods and people in and out of the EU.

But they've tolerated enormous scale drugs, alcohol and diesel smuggling across Ireland since 1994. Bit weird surely?

Yet another wild and baseless claim in relation to Ireland

The DUP were fully behind and supportive of the NI protocol despite everyone else on the Island of every political shade and hue warning them of the consequences,they didn’t listen.

The British Government negotiated and passed the protocol because bottom line NI is of little impact either politically or economically to the Tory Government.

And now it seems when the consequences become apparent to the DUP and there’s an shift in opinion polls or the likes of the TUV,they decide to fire up a few disaffected teenagers to attack the police

A majority in NI voted to stay in the EU

And something that’s often overlooked also,there are more foreign born people on the island of ireland than there are now Unionists who constitute 13/14% of the population of this island.

Don't know why the DUP keeps getting mentioned they're irrelevant. It's Brussels causing the problem.

It’s fairly clear that you don’t have a clue yet again what you are talking about

Yet again

Your fixation with Brussels is tiresome at this stage

All I'm doing is proposing solutions. Seems like so may people don't want to face reality.

How about we roll back Brexit and most people will be a lot happier - that is a more plausible solution

I note that whilst 41 Police persons have been injured in NI over the past 3 nights, the resumption of ‘the troubles’ isn’t enough for the loony right to say adhere to the GFA?

I so want NI to be peaceful, but it seems this is a price they are willing to pay! None of this is the fault of the EU, Boris reneged on the deal with Ireland & the EU (& the US). This is serious & too many people have been killed already It is difficult to see what relevance the GFA has to this scenario. It was drawn up 25 years ago when Brexit was not even being considered. Had the EU chosen to take a pragmatic approach to the border issue , the border issue would not have arisen. As things stand the current controls are making life more difficult for cross channel hauliers. Boris has never at any stage indicated that he wanted a border in Ireland. This appears to be an EU requirement. If anything? Boris has indicated his unconditional support for the people of Northern Ireland by supporting the structure of a floating bridge between Belfast and Scotland.

“Boris has shown his unconditional support for the people of NI supporting the structure of a floating bridge between Belfast and Scotland”

Boris has ludicrous idea and you think that equals support for the people of NI?

A floating bridge no less

You should read up on the sea conditions on the north channel nevermind the munitions dumped there

This proposed piece of lunacy would cost cost £20bn plus

And yet there’s no motorway between Belfast and Dublin on the NI side

There’s a cattle track between Derry and Belfast

The rail system is archaic in NI into the bargain

For £2bn you’d get a state of the art rail system that would serve the whole of NI,that’s a tenth of Boris back of an envelope proposal

Unconditional support my arse The journey from Belfast to Londonderry is 71 miles , of which at least 50 miles will either be motorway or dual carriageways by 2022. This is hardly what you describe as being a cattle track. The sections not yet upgraded are in less use and have where appropriate climbing lanes .

The tunnel or floating bridge between Belfast and NI has been discussed on a number of occasions. It may seem a ridiculous idea to some but the more progressive members of society prefer to move forwards and progress with modern technology. It would be a boost to the NI economy .

At least Boris Johnson and his government can think beyond the middle class elite of Islington and take into account the needs and concerns of every area of the UK.

Yet despite all this consideration people are criticising him for proposing what would be a fantastic engineering achievement. "

This is a wind up right?

Surely no human would think wasting billions on a pointless tunnel is a good idea?

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple  over a year ago

in Lancashire


"And yet no one can explain why Europe suddenly wants a border at all. What practical purpose is served by it that wasn't the case since the fudge of the GFA?

Brussels couldn't just be playing politics could they?

It's perfectly clear we will just kick the can down the road until Brussels get tired of their own nonsense.

Excellent confusion. Some of your best work.

More of this kind of thing.

Yet you're unable to answer.

Makes you think doesn't it? What's the border for?

Are you asking why the EU has a customs border between themselves and the rest of the world?

Let me put it as simply as possible :

Why does the EU want a hard border with NI when it doesn't have one with Switzerland?

The EU has a specific arrangement with Switzerland that they negotiated together.

The UK is out, same as the rest of the world.

There can't be a hard border on the Island of Ireland, as per the GFA.

This was highlighted prior to the referendum and written off as "project fear".

I don't know what it is that you're pretending not to understand.

Yes, I think we all understand specific countries have negotiated specific agreements. Great.

My question is, last attempt, what PURPOSE is served by a hard border?

To control the movement of goods and people in and out of the EU.

But they've tolerated enormous scale drugs, alcohol and diesel smuggling across Ireland since 1994. Bit weird surely?

Yet another wild and baseless claim in relation to Ireland

The DUP were fully behind and supportive of the NI protocol despite everyone else on the Island of every political shade and hue warning them of the consequences,they didn’t listen.

The British Government negotiated and passed the protocol because bottom line NI is of little impact either politically or economically to the Tory Government.

And now it seems when the consequences become apparent to the DUP and there’s an shift in opinion polls or the likes of the TUV,they decide to fire up a few disaffected teenagers to attack the police

A majority in NI voted to stay in the EU

And something that’s often overlooked also,there are more foreign born people on the island of ireland than there are now Unionists who constitute 13/14% of the population of this island.

Don't know why the DUP keeps getting mentioned they're irrelevant. It's Brussels causing the problem.

It’s fairly clear that you don’t have a clue yet again what you are talking about

Yet again

Your fixation with Brussels is tiresome at this stage

All I'm doing is proposing solutions. Seems like so may people don't want to face reality.

How about we roll back Brexit and most people will be a lot happier - that is a more plausible solution

I note that whilst 41 Police persons have been injured in NI over the past 3 nights, the resumption of ‘the troubles’ isn’t enough for the loony right to say adhere to the GFA?

I so want NI to be peaceful, but it seems this is a price they are willing to pay! None of this is the fault of the EU, Boris reneged on the deal with Ireland & the EU (& the US). This is serious & too many people have been killed already It is difficult to see what relevance the GFA has to this scenario. It was drawn up 25 years ago when Brexit was not even being considered. Had the EU chosen to take a pragmatic approach to the border issue , the border issue would not have arisen. As things stand the current controls are making life more difficult for cross channel hauliers. Boris has never at any stage indicated that he wanted a border in Ireland. This appears to be an EU requirement. If anything? Boris has indicated his unconditional support for the people of Northern Ireland by supporting the structure of a floating bridge between Belfast and Scotland.

“Boris has shown his unconditional support for the people of NI supporting the structure of a floating bridge between Belfast and Scotland”

Boris has ludicrous idea and you think that equals support for the people of NI?

A floating bridge no less

You should read up on the sea conditions on the north channel nevermind the munitions dumped there

This proposed piece of lunacy would cost cost £20bn plus

And yet there’s no motorway between Belfast and Dublin on the NI side

There’s a cattle track between Derry and Belfast

The rail system is archaic in NI into the bargain

For £2bn you’d get a state of the art rail system that would serve the whole of NI,that’s a tenth of Boris back of an envelope proposal

Unconditional support my arse The journey from Belfast to Londonderry is 71 miles , of which at least 50 miles will either be motorway or dual carriageways by 2022. This is hardly what you describe as being a cattle track. The sections not yet upgraded are in less use and have where appropriate climbing lanes .

The tunnel or floating bridge between Belfast and NI has been discussed on a number of occasions. It may seem a ridiculous idea to some but the more progressive members of society prefer to move forwards and progress with modern technology. It would be a boost to the NI economy .

At least Boris Johnson and his government can think beyond the middle class elite of Islington and take into account the needs and concerns of every area of the UK.

Yet despite all this consideration people are criticising him for proposing what would be a fantastic engineering achievement. "

Garden bridge..

Thames estuary airport..

Other deflectors by Boris, both given the consideration they deserved by the experts in..

The garden bridge cost millions, how much has and will his mess with brexit cost and not just in monetary terms..

Wake up pat..

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By *uliaChrisCouple  over a year ago

westerham


"And yet no one can explain why Europe suddenly wants a border at all. What practical purpose is served by it that wasn't the case since the fudge of the GFA?

Brussels couldn't just be playing politics could they?

It's perfectly clear we will just kick the can down the road until Brussels get tired of their own nonsense.

Excellent confusion. Some of your best work.

More of this kind of thing.

Yet you're unable to answer.

Makes you think doesn't it? What's the border for?

Are you asking why the EU has a customs border between themselves and the rest of the world?

Let me put it as simply as possible :

Why does the EU want a hard border with NI when it doesn't have one with Switzerland?

The EU has a specific arrangement with Switzerland that they negotiated together.

The UK is out, same as the rest of the world.

There can't be a hard border on the Island of Ireland, as per the GFA.

This was highlighted prior to the referendum and written off as "project fear".

I don't know what it is that you're pretending not to understand.

Yes, I think we all understand specific countries have negotiated specific agreements. Great.

My question is, last attempt, what PURPOSE is served by a hard border?

To control the movement of goods and people in and out of the EU.

But they've tolerated enormous scale drugs, alcohol and diesel smuggling across Ireland since 1994. Bit weird surely?

Yet another wild and baseless claim in relation to Ireland

The DUP were fully behind and supportive of the NI protocol despite everyone else on the Island of every political shade and hue warning them of the consequences,they didn’t listen.

The British Government negotiated and passed the protocol because bottom line NI is of little impact either politically or economically to the Tory Government.

And now it seems when the consequences become apparent to the DUP and there’s an shift in opinion polls or the likes of the TUV,they decide to fire up a few disaffected teenagers to attack the police

A majority in NI voted to stay in the EU

And something that’s often overlooked also,there are more foreign born people on the island of ireland than there are now Unionists who constitute 13/14% of the population of this island.

Don't know why the DUP keeps getting mentioned they're irrelevant. It's Brussels causing the problem.

It’s fairly clear that you don’t have a clue yet again what you are talking about

Yet again

Your fixation with Brussels is tiresome at this stage

All I'm doing is proposing solutions. Seems like so may people don't want to face reality.

How about we roll back Brexit and most people will be a lot happier - that is a more plausible solution

I note that whilst 41 Police persons have been injured in NI over the past 3 nights, the resumption of ‘the troubles’ isn’t enough for the loony right to say adhere to the GFA?

I so want NI to be peaceful, but it seems this is a price they are willing to pay! None of this is the fault of the EU, Boris reneged on the deal with Ireland & the EU (& the US). This is serious & too many people have been killed already It is difficult to see what relevance the GFA has to this scenario. It was drawn up 25 years ago when Brexit was not even being considered. Had the EU chosen to take a pragmatic approach to the border issue , the border issue would not have arisen. As things stand the current controls are making life more difficult for cross channel hauliers. Boris has never at any stage indicated that he wanted a border in Ireland. This appears to be an EU requirement. If anything? Boris has indicated his unconditional support for the people of Northern Ireland by supporting the structure of a floating bridge between Belfast and Scotland.

“Boris has shown his unconditional support for the people of NI supporting the structure of a floating bridge between Belfast and Scotland”

Boris has ludicrous idea and you think that equals support for the people of NI?

A floating bridge no less

You should read up on the sea conditions on the north channel nevermind the munitions dumped there

This proposed piece of lunacy would cost cost £20bn plus

And yet there’s no motorway between Belfast and Dublin on the NI side

There’s a cattle track between Derry and Belfast

The rail system is archaic in NI into the bargain

For £2bn you’d get a state of the art rail system that would serve the whole of NI,that’s a tenth of Boris back of an envelope proposal

Unconditional support my arse The journey from Belfast to Londonderry is 71 miles , of which at least 50 miles will either be motorway or dual carriageways by 2022. This is hardly what you describe as being a cattle track. The sections not yet upgraded are in less use and have where appropriate climbing lanes .

The tunnel or floating bridge between Belfast and NI has been discussed on a number of occasions. It may seem a ridiculous idea to some but the more progressive members of society prefer to move forwards and progress with modern technology. It would be a boost to the NI economy .

At least Boris Johnson and his government can think beyond the middle class elite of Islington and take into account the needs and concerns of every area of the UK.

Yet despite all this consideration people are criticising him for proposing what would be a fantastic engineering achievement.

This is a wind up right?

Surely no human would think wasting billions on a pointless tunnel is a good idea?"

I pity your lack of imagination.

Channel Tunnel you probably nayed that as well.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"And yet no one can explain why Europe suddenly wants a border at all. What practical purpose is served by it that wasn't the case since the fudge of the GFA?

Brussels couldn't just be playing politics could they?

It's perfectly clear we will just kick the can down the road until Brussels get tired of their own nonsense.

Excellent confusion. Some of your best work.

More of this kind of thing.

Yet you're unable to answer.

Makes you think doesn't it? What's the border for?

Are you asking why the EU has a customs border between themselves and the rest of the world?

Let me put it as simply as possible :

Why does the EU want a hard border with NI when it doesn't have one with Switzerland?

The EU has a specific arrangement with Switzerland that they negotiated together.

The UK is out, same as the rest of the world.

There can't be a hard border on the Island of Ireland, as per the GFA.

This was highlighted prior to the referendum and written off as "project fear".

I don't know what it is that you're pretending not to understand.

Yes, I think we all understand specific countries have negotiated specific agreements. Great.

My question is, last attempt, what PURPOSE is served by a hard border?

To control the movement of goods and people in and out of the EU.

But they've tolerated enormous scale drugs, alcohol and diesel smuggling across Ireland since 1994. Bit weird surely?

Yet another wild and baseless claim in relation to Ireland

The DUP were fully behind and supportive of the NI protocol despite everyone else on the Island of every political shade and hue warning them of the consequences,they didn’t listen.

The British Government negotiated and passed the protocol because bottom line NI is of little impact either politically or economically to the Tory Government.

And now it seems when the consequences become apparent to the DUP and there’s an shift in opinion polls or the likes of the TUV,they decide to fire up a few disaffected teenagers to attack the police

A majority in NI voted to stay in the EU

And something that’s often overlooked also,there are more foreign born people on the island of ireland than there are now Unionists who constitute 13/14% of the population of this island.

Don't know why the DUP keeps getting mentioned they're irrelevant. It's Brussels causing the problem.

It’s fairly clear that you don’t have a clue yet again what you are talking about

Yet again

Your fixation with Brussels is tiresome at this stage

All I'm doing is proposing solutions. Seems like so may people don't want to face reality.

How about we roll back Brexit and most people will be a lot happier - that is a more plausible solution

I note that whilst 41 Police persons have been injured in NI over the past 3 nights, the resumption of ‘the troubles’ isn’t enough for the loony right to say adhere to the GFA?

I so want NI to be peaceful, but it seems this is a price they are willing to pay! None of this is the fault of the EU, Boris reneged on the deal with Ireland & the EU (& the US). This is serious & too many people have been killed already It is difficult to see what relevance the GFA has to this scenario. It was drawn up 25 years ago when Brexit was not even being considered. Had the EU chosen to take a pragmatic approach to the border issue , the border issue would not have arisen. As things stand the current controls are making life more difficult for cross channel hauliers. Boris has never at any stage indicated that he wanted a border in Ireland. This appears to be an EU requirement. If anything? Boris has indicated his unconditional support for the people of Northern Ireland by supporting the structure of a floating bridge between Belfast and Scotland.

“Boris has shown his unconditional support for the people of NI supporting the structure of a floating bridge between Belfast and Scotland”

Boris has ludicrous idea and you think that equals support for the people of NI?

A floating bridge no less

You should read up on the sea conditions on the north channel nevermind the munitions dumped there

This proposed piece of lunacy would cost cost £20bn plus

And yet there’s no motorway between Belfast and Dublin on the NI side

There’s a cattle track between Derry and Belfast

The rail system is archaic in NI into the bargain

For £2bn you’d get a state of the art rail system that would serve the whole of NI,that’s a tenth of Boris back of an envelope proposal

Unconditional support my arse The journey from Belfast to Londonderry is 71 miles , of which at least 50 miles will either be motorway or dual carriageways by 2022. This is hardly what you describe as being a cattle track. The sections not yet upgraded are in less use and have where appropriate climbing lanes .

The tunnel or floating bridge between Belfast and NI has been discussed on a number of occasions. It may seem a ridiculous idea to some but the more progressive members of society prefer to move forwards and progress with modern technology. It would be a boost to the NI economy .

At least Boris Johnson and his government can think beyond the middle class elite of Islington and take into account the needs and concerns of every area of the UK.

Yet despite all this consideration people are criticising him for proposing what would be a fantastic engineering achievement.

This is a wind up right?

Surely no human would think wasting billions on a pointless tunnel is a good idea?

I pity your lack of imagination.

Channel Tunnel you probably nayed that as well. "

Just because someone can imagine it, doesn't mean it's a good idea.

Also, this moronic proposed tunnel project has nothing to do with the problems caused by brexit for NI.

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By *uliaChrisCouple  over a year ago

westerham

Thank goodness the luddites weren't given as much airtime when Brunel and Stevenson and Watt were around.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Thank goodness the luddites weren't given as much airtime when Brunel and Stevenson and Watt were around.

"

Any chance of a discussion of the issues, or is it easier to throw insults at people?

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By *uliaChrisCouple  over a year ago

westerham


"Thank goodness the luddites weren't given as much airtime when Brunel and Stevenson and Watt were around.

Any chance of a discussion of the issues, or is it easier to throw insults at people? "

I didn't raise the issue of a fixed link, I'm just using my expertise to advise those who are confused on the engineering and keep the thread factual.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Thank goodness the luddites weren't given as much airtime when Brunel and Stevenson and Watt were around.

Any chance of a discussion of the issues, or is it easier to throw insults at people?

I didn't raise the issue of a fixed link, I'm just using my expertise to advise those who are confused on the engineering and keep the thread factual. "

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple  over a year ago

in Lancashire


"Thank goodness the luddites weren't given as much airtime when Brunel and Stevenson and Watt were around.

Any chance of a discussion of the issues, or is it easier to throw insults at people?

I didn't raise the issue of a fixed link, I'm just using my expertise to advise those who are confused on the engineering and keep the thread factual.

"

Truly we are blessed to be gifted such expertise in so many, many areas..

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By *loughing the landMan  over a year ago

Cambridge


"And yet no one can explain why Europe suddenly wants a border at all. What practical purpose is served by it that wasn't the case since the fudge of the GFA?

Brussels couldn't just be playing politics could they?

It's perfectly clear we will just kick the can down the road until Brussels get tired of their own nonsense.

Excellent confusion. Some of your best work.

More of this kind of thing.

Yet you're unable to answer.

Makes you think doesn't it? What's the border for?

Are you asking why the EU has a customs border between themselves and the rest of the world?

Let me put it as simply as possible :

Why does the EU want a hard border with NI when it doesn't have one with Switzerland?

The EU has a specific arrangement with Switzerland that they negotiated together.

The UK is out, same as the rest of the world.

There can't be a hard border on the Island of Ireland, as per the GFA.

This was highlighted prior to the referendum and written off as "project fear".

I don't know what it is that you're pretending not to understand.

Yes, I think we all understand specific countries have negotiated specific agreements. Great.

My question is, last attempt, what PURPOSE is served by a hard border?

To control the movement of goods and people in and out of the EU.

But they've tolerated enormous scale drugs, alcohol and diesel smuggling across Ireland since 1994. Bit weird surely?

Yet another wild and baseless claim in relation to Ireland

The DUP were fully behind and supportive of the NI protocol despite everyone else on the Island of every political shade and hue warning them of the consequences,they didn’t listen.

The British Government negotiated and passed the protocol because bottom line NI is of little impact either politically or economically to the Tory Government.

And now it seems when the consequences become apparent to the DUP and there’s an shift in opinion polls or the likes of the TUV,they decide to fire up a few disaffected teenagers to attack the police

A majority in NI voted to stay in the EU

And something that’s often overlooked also,there are more foreign born people on the island of ireland than there are now Unionists who constitute 13/14% of the population of this island.

Don't know why the DUP keeps getting mentioned they're irrelevant. It's Brussels causing the problem.

It’s fairly clear that you don’t have a clue yet again what you are talking about

Yet again

Your fixation with Brussels is tiresome at this stage

All I'm doing is proposing solutions. Seems like so may people don't want to face reality.

How about we roll back Brexit and most people will be a lot happier - that is a more plausible solution

I note that whilst 41 Police persons have been injured in NI over the past 3 nights, the resumption of ‘the troubles’ isn’t enough for the loony right to say adhere to the GFA?

I so want NI to be peaceful, but it seems this is a price they are willing to pay! None of this is the fault of the EU, Boris reneged on the deal with Ireland & the EU (& the US). This is serious & too many people have been killed already It is difficult to see what relevance the GFA has to this scenario. It was drawn up 25 years ago when Brexit was not even being considered. Had the EU chosen to take a pragmatic approach to the border issue , the border issue would not have arisen. As things stand the current controls are making life more difficult for cross channel hauliers. Boris has never at any stage indicated that he wanted a border in Ireland. This appears to be an EU requirement. If anything? Boris has indicated his unconditional support for the people of Northern Ireland by supporting the structure of a floating bridge between Belfast and Scotland.

“Boris has shown his unconditional support for the people of NI supporting the structure of a floating bridge between Belfast and Scotland”

Boris has ludicrous idea and you think that equals support for the people of NI?

A floating bridge no less

You should read up on the sea conditions on the north channel nevermind the munitions dumped there

This proposed piece of lunacy would cost cost £20bn plus

And yet there’s no motorway between Belfast and Dublin on the NI side

There’s a cattle track between Derry and Belfast

The rail system is archaic in NI into the bargain

For £2bn you’d get a state of the art rail system that would serve the whole of NI,that’s a tenth of Boris back of an envelope proposal

Unconditional support my arse The journey from Belfast to Londonderry is 71 miles , of which at least 50 miles will either be motorway or dual carriageways by 2022. This is hardly what you describe as being a cattle track. The sections not yet upgraded are in less use and have where appropriate climbing lanes .

The tunnel or floating bridge between Belfast and NI has been discussed on a number of occasions. It may seem a ridiculous idea to some but the more progressive members of society prefer to move forwards and progress with modern technology. It would be a boost to the NI economy .

At least Boris Johnson and his government can think beyond the middle class elite of Islington and take into account the needs and concerns of every area of the UK.

Yet despite all this consideration people are criticising him for proposing what would be a fantastic engineering achievement.

Garden bridge..

Thames estuary airport..

Other deflectors by Boris, both given the consideration they deserved by the experts in..

The garden bridge cost millions, how much has and will his mess with brexit cost and not just in monetary terms..

Wake up pat.. "

I prefer to judge people by their successes in life. Anyone who has succeeded in life will have encountered failures along the way.

The important thing is to learn from failure and use your strengths for future success .

A floating bridge would be of enormous benefit to the people of Northern Ireland and would overcome some of the problems faced by cross channel hauliers. With reduced transit times and easier movement it should be possible to create additional jobs which is for the benefit of every citizen in Northern Ireland.

If the project is completed successfully it would be viewed as one of engineering excellence throughout the world .

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple  over a year ago

in Lancashire


"And yet no one can explain why Europe suddenly wants a border at all. What practical purpose is served by it that wasn't the case since the fudge of the GFA?

Brussels couldn't just be playing politics could they?

It's perfectly clear we will just kick the can down the road until Brussels get tired of their own nonsense.

Excellent confusion. Some of your best work.

More of this kind of thing.

Yet you're unable to answer.

Makes you think doesn't it? What's the border for?

Are you asking why the EU has a customs border between themselves and the rest of the world?

Let me put it as simply as possible :

Why does the EU want a hard border with NI when it doesn't have one with Switzerland?

The EU has a specific arrangement with Switzerland that they negotiated together.

The UK is out, same as the rest of the world.

There can't be a hard border on the Island of Ireland, as per the GFA.

This was highlighted prior to the referendum and written off as "project fear".

I don't know what it is that you're pretending not to understand.

Yes, I think we all understand specific countries have negotiated specific agreements. Great.

My question is, last attempt, what PURPOSE is served by a hard border?

To control the movement of goods and people in and out of the EU.

But they've tolerated enormous scale drugs, alcohol and diesel smuggling across Ireland since 1994. Bit weird surely?

Yet another wild and baseless claim in relation to Ireland

The DUP were fully behind and supportive of the NI protocol despite everyone else on the Island of every political shade and hue warning them of the consequences,they didn’t listen.

The British Government negotiated and passed the protocol because bottom line NI is of little impact either politically or economically to the Tory Government.

And now it seems when the consequences become apparent to the DUP and there’s an shift in opinion polls or the likes of the TUV,they decide to fire up a few disaffected teenagers to attack the police

A majority in NI voted to stay in the EU

And something that’s often overlooked also,there are more foreign born people on the island of ireland than there are now Unionists who constitute 13/14% of the population of this island.

Don't know why the DUP keeps getting mentioned they're irrelevant. It's Brussels causing the problem.

It’s fairly clear that you don’t have a clue yet again what you are talking about

Yet again

Your fixation with Brussels is tiresome at this stage

All I'm doing is proposing solutions. Seems like so may people don't want to face reality.

How about we roll back Brexit and most people will be a lot happier - that is a more plausible solution

I note that whilst 41 Police persons have been injured in NI over the past 3 nights, the resumption of ‘the troubles’ isn’t enough for the loony right to say adhere to the GFA?

I so want NI to be peaceful, but it seems this is a price they are willing to pay! None of this is the fault of the EU, Boris reneged on the deal with Ireland & the EU (& the US). This is serious & too many people have been killed already It is difficult to see what relevance the GFA has to this scenario. It was drawn up 25 years ago when Brexit was not even being considered. Had the EU chosen to take a pragmatic approach to the border issue , the border issue would not have arisen. As things stand the current controls are making life more difficult for cross channel hauliers. Boris has never at any stage indicated that he wanted a border in Ireland. This appears to be an EU requirement. If anything? Boris has indicated his unconditional support for the people of Northern Ireland by supporting the structure of a floating bridge between Belfast and Scotland.

“Boris has shown his unconditional support for the people of NI supporting the structure of a floating bridge between Belfast and Scotland”

Boris has ludicrous idea and you think that equals support for the people of NI?

A floating bridge no less

You should read up on the sea conditions on the north channel nevermind the munitions dumped there

This proposed piece of lunacy would cost cost £20bn plus

And yet there’s no motorway between Belfast and Dublin on the NI side

There’s a cattle track between Derry and Belfast

The rail system is archaic in NI into the bargain

For £2bn you’d get a state of the art rail system that would serve the whole of NI,that’s a tenth of Boris back of an envelope proposal

Unconditional support my arse The journey from Belfast to Londonderry is 71 miles , of which at least 50 miles will either be motorway or dual carriageways by 2022. This is hardly what you describe as being a cattle track. The sections not yet upgraded are in less use and have where appropriate climbing lanes .

The tunnel or floating bridge between Belfast and NI has been discussed on a number of occasions. It may seem a ridiculous idea to some but the more progressive members of society prefer to move forwards and progress with modern technology. It would be a boost to the NI economy .

At least Boris Johnson and his government can think beyond the middle class elite of Islington and take into account the needs and concerns of every area of the UK.

Yet despite all this consideration people are criticising him for proposing what would be a fantastic engineering achievement.

Garden bridge..

Thames estuary airport..

Other deflectors by Boris, both given the consideration they deserved by the experts in..

The garden bridge cost millions, how much has and will his mess with brexit cost and not just in monetary terms..

Wake up pat.. I prefer to judge people by their successes in life. Anyone who has succeeded in life will have encountered failures along the way.

The important thing is to learn from failure and use your strengths for future success .

A floating bridge would be of enormous benefit to the people of Northern Ireland and would overcome some of the problems faced by cross channel hauliers. With reduced transit times and easier movement it should be possible to create additional jobs which is for the benefit of every citizen in Northern Ireland.

If the project is completed successfully it would be viewed as one of engineering excellence throughout the world . "

It's a vanity idea, another failed one from someone with a track record of..

The costs simply do not relate to imaginary savings, economically naive..

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By *ane DTV/TS  over a year ago

Harrow (for now)

No point in building the bridge without upgrading the A75.

Search dualtheA75

This would probably need to be done before you could contemplate building a bridge.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"And yet no one can explain why Europe suddenly wants a border at all. What practical purpose is served by it that wasn't the case since the fudge of the GFA?

Brussels couldn't just be playing politics could they?

It's perfectly clear we will just kick the can down the road until Brussels get tired of their own nonsense.

Excellent confusion. Some of your best work.

More of this kind of thing.

Yet you're unable to answer.

Makes you think doesn't it? What's the border for?

Are you asking why the EU has a customs border between themselves and the rest of the world?

Let me put it as simply as possible :

Why does the EU want a hard border with NI when it doesn't have one with Switzerland?

The EU has a specific arrangement with Switzerland that they negotiated together.

The UK is out, same as the rest of the world.

There can't be a hard border on the Island of Ireland, as per the GFA.

This was highlighted prior to the referendum and written off as "project fear".

I don't know what it is that you're pretending not to understand.

Yes, I think we all understand specific countries have negotiated specific agreements. Great.

My question is, last attempt, what PURPOSE is served by a hard border?

To control the movement of goods and people in and out of the EU.

But they've tolerated enormous scale drugs, alcohol and diesel smuggling across Ireland since 1994. Bit weird surely?

Yet another wild and baseless claim in relation to Ireland

The DUP were fully behind and supportive of the NI protocol despite everyone else on the Island of every political shade and hue warning them of the consequences,they didn’t listen.

The British Government negotiated and passed the protocol because bottom line NI is of little impact either politically or economically to the Tory Government.

And now it seems when the consequences become apparent to the DUP and there’s an shift in opinion polls or the likes of the TUV,they decide to fire up a few disaffected teenagers to attack the police

A majority in NI voted to stay in the EU

And something that’s often overlooked also,there are more foreign born people on the island of ireland than there are now Unionists who constitute 13/14% of the population of this island.

Don't know why the DUP keeps getting mentioned they're irrelevant. It's Brussels causing the problem.

It’s fairly clear that you don’t have a clue yet again what you are talking about

Yet again

Your fixation with Brussels is tiresome at this stage

All I'm doing is proposing solutions. Seems like so may people don't want to face reality.

How about we roll back Brexit and most people will be a lot happier - that is a more plausible solution

I note that whilst 41 Police persons have been injured in NI over the past 3 nights, the resumption of ‘the troubles’ isn’t enough for the loony right to say adhere to the GFA?

I so want NI to be peaceful, but it seems this is a price they are willing to pay! None of this is the fault of the EU, Boris reneged on the deal with Ireland & the EU (& the US). This is serious & too many people have been killed already It is difficult to see what relevance the GFA has to this scenario. It was drawn up 25 years ago when Brexit was not even being considered. Had the EU chosen to take a pragmatic approach to the border issue , the border issue would not have arisen. As things stand the current controls are making life more difficult for cross channel hauliers. Boris has never at any stage indicated that he wanted a border in Ireland. This appears to be an EU requirement. If anything? Boris has indicated his unconditional support for the people of Northern Ireland by supporting the structure of a floating bridge between Belfast and Scotland.

“Boris has shown his unconditional support for the people of NI supporting the structure of a floating bridge between Belfast and Scotland”

Boris has ludicrous idea and you think that equals support for the people of NI?

A floating bridge no less

You should read up on the sea conditions on the north channel nevermind the munitions dumped there

This proposed piece of lunacy would cost cost £20bn plus

And yet there’s no motorway between Belfast and Dublin on the NI side

There’s a cattle track between Derry and Belfast

The rail system is archaic in NI into the bargain

For £2bn you’d get a state of the art rail system that would serve the whole of NI,that’s a tenth of Boris back of an envelope proposal

Unconditional support my arse The journey from Belfast to Londonderry is 71 miles , of which at least 50 miles will either be motorway or dual carriageways by 2022. This is hardly what you describe as being a cattle track. The sections not yet upgraded are in less use and have where appropriate climbing lanes .

The tunnel or floating bridge between Belfast and NI has been discussed on a number of occasions. It may seem a ridiculous idea to some but the more progressive members of society prefer to move forwards and progress with modern technology. It would be a boost to the NI economy .

At least Boris Johnson and his government can think beyond the middle class elite of Islington and take into account the needs and concerns of every area of the UK.

Yet despite all this consideration people are criticising him for proposing what would be a fantastic engineering achievement.

Garden bridge..

Thames estuary airport..

Other deflectors by Boris, both given the consideration they deserved by the experts in..

The garden bridge cost millions, how much has and will his mess with brexit cost and not just in monetary terms..

Wake up pat.. I prefer to judge people by their successes in life. Anyone who has succeeded in life will have encountered failures along the way.

The important thing is to learn from failure and use your strengths for future success .

A floating bridge would be of enormous benefit to the people of Northern Ireland and would overcome some of the problems faced by cross channel hauliers. With reduced transit times and easier movement it should be possible to create additional jobs which is for the benefit of every citizen in Northern Ireland.

If the project is completed successfully it would be viewed as one of engineering excellence throughout the world .

It's a vanity idea, another failed one from someone with a track record of..

The costs simply do not relate to imaginary savings, economically naive.."

Absolutely. But it served its purpose of distracting people from all the problems created in NI by brexit.

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By *uliaChrisCouple  over a year ago

westerham


"And yet no one can explain why Europe suddenly wants a border at all. What practical purpose is served by it that wasn't the case since the fudge of the GFA?

Brussels couldn't just be playing politics could they?

It's perfectly clear we will just kick the can down the road until Brussels get tired of their own nonsense.

Excellent confusion. Some of your best work.

More of this kind of thing.

Yet you're unable to answer.

Makes you think doesn't it? What's the border for?

Are you asking why the EU has a customs border between themselves and the rest of the world?

Let me put it as simply as possible :

Why does the EU want a hard border with NI when it doesn't have one with Switzerland?

The EU has a specific arrangement with Switzerland that they negotiated together.

The UK is out, same as the rest of the world.

There can't be a hard border on the Island of Ireland, as per the GFA.

This was highlighted prior to the referendum and written off as "project fear".

I don't know what it is that you're pretending not to understand.

Yes, I think we all understand specific countries have negotiated specific agreements. Great.

My question is, last attempt, what PURPOSE is served by a hard border?

To control the movement of goods and people in and out of the EU.

But they've tolerated enormous scale drugs, alcohol and diesel smuggling across Ireland since 1994. Bit weird surely?

Yet another wild and baseless claim in relation to Ireland

The DUP were fully behind and supportive of the NI protocol despite everyone else on the Island of every political shade and hue warning them of the consequences,they didn’t listen.

The British Government negotiated and passed the protocol because bottom line NI is of little impact either politically or economically to the Tory Government.

And now it seems when the consequences become apparent to the DUP and there’s an shift in opinion polls or the likes of the TUV,they decide to fire up a few disaffected teenagers to attack the police

A majority in NI voted to stay in the EU

And something that’s often overlooked also,there are more foreign born people on the island of ireland than there are now Unionists who constitute 13/14% of the population of this island.

Don't know why the DUP keeps getting mentioned they're irrelevant. It's Brussels causing the problem.

It’s fairly clear that you don’t have a clue yet again what you are talking about

Yet again

Your fixation with Brussels is tiresome at this stage

All I'm doing is proposing solutions. Seems like so may people don't want to face reality.

How about we roll back Brexit and most people will be a lot happier - that is a more plausible solution

I note that whilst 41 Police persons have been injured in NI over the past 3 nights, the resumption of ‘the troubles’ isn’t enough for the loony right to say adhere to the GFA?

I so want NI to be peaceful, but it seems this is a price they are willing to pay! None of this is the fault of the EU, Boris reneged on the deal with Ireland & the EU (& the US). This is serious & too many people have been killed already It is difficult to see what relevance the GFA has to this scenario. It was drawn up 25 years ago when Brexit was not even being considered. Had the EU chosen to take a pragmatic approach to the border issue , the border issue would not have arisen. As things stand the current controls are making life more difficult for cross channel hauliers. Boris has never at any stage indicated that he wanted a border in Ireland. This appears to be an EU requirement. If anything? Boris has indicated his unconditional support for the people of Northern Ireland by supporting the structure of a floating bridge between Belfast and Scotland.

“Boris has shown his unconditional support for the people of NI supporting the structure of a floating bridge between Belfast and Scotland”

Boris has ludicrous idea and you think that equals support for the people of NI?

A floating bridge no less

You should read up on the sea conditions on the north channel nevermind the munitions dumped there

This proposed piece of lunacy would cost cost £20bn plus

And yet there’s no motorway between Belfast and Dublin on the NI side

There’s a cattle track between Derry and Belfast

The rail system is archaic in NI into the bargain

For £2bn you’d get a state of the art rail system that would serve the whole of NI,that’s a tenth of Boris back of an envelope proposal

Unconditional support my arse The journey from Belfast to Londonderry is 71 miles , of which at least 50 miles will either be motorway or dual carriageways by 2022. This is hardly what you describe as being a cattle track. The sections not yet upgraded are in less use and have where appropriate climbing lanes .

The tunnel or floating bridge between Belfast and NI has been discussed on a number of occasions. It may seem a ridiculous idea to some but the more progressive members of society prefer to move forwards and progress with modern technology. It would be a boost to the NI economy .

At least Boris Johnson and his government can think beyond the middle class elite of Islington and take into account the needs and concerns of every area of the UK.

Yet despite all this consideration people are criticising him for proposing what would be a fantastic engineering achievement.

Garden bridge..

Thames estuary airport..

Other deflectors by Boris, both given the consideration they deserved by the experts in..

The garden bridge cost millions, how much has and will his mess with brexit cost and not just in monetary terms..

Wake up pat.. I prefer to judge people by their successes in life. Anyone who has succeeded in life will have encountered failures along the way.

The important thing is to learn from failure and use your strengths for future success .

A floating bridge would be of enormous benefit to the people of Northern Ireland and would overcome some of the problems faced by cross channel hauliers. With reduced transit times and easier movement it should be possible to create additional jobs which is for the benefit of every citizen in Northern Ireland.

If the project is completed successfully it would be viewed as one of engineering excellence throughout the world .

It's a vanity idea, another failed one from someone with a track record of..

The costs simply do not relate to imaginary savings, economically naive..

Absolutely. But it served its purpose of distracting people from all the problems created in NI by brexit.

"

Created by Brussels for political reasons

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"And yet no one can explain why Europe suddenly wants a border at all. What practical purpose is served by it that wasn't the case since the fudge of the GFA?

Brussels couldn't just be playing politics could they?

It's perfectly clear we will just kick the can down the road until Brussels get tired of their own nonsense.

Excellent confusion. Some of your best work.

More of this kind of thing.

Yet you're unable to answer.

Makes you think doesn't it? What's the border for?

Are you asking why the EU has a customs border between themselves and the rest of the world?

Let me put it as simply as possible :

Why does the EU want a hard border with NI when it doesn't have one with Switzerland?

The EU has a specific arrangement with Switzerland that they negotiated together.

The UK is out, same as the rest of the world.

There can't be a hard border on the Island of Ireland, as per the GFA.

This was highlighted prior to the referendum and written off as "project fear".

I don't know what it is that you're pretending not to understand.

Yes, I think we all understand specific countries have negotiated specific agreements. Great.

My question is, last attempt, what PURPOSE is served by a hard border?

To control the movement of goods and people in and out of the EU.

But they've tolerated enormous scale drugs, alcohol and diesel smuggling across Ireland since 1994. Bit weird surely?

Yet another wild and baseless claim in relation to Ireland

The DUP were fully behind and supportive of the NI protocol despite everyone else on the Island of every political shade and hue warning them of the consequences,they didn’t listen.

The British Government negotiated and passed the protocol because bottom line NI is of little impact either politically or economically to the Tory Government.

And now it seems when the consequences become apparent to the DUP and there’s an shift in opinion polls or the likes of the TUV,they decide to fire up a few disaffected teenagers to attack the police

A majority in NI voted to stay in the EU

And something that’s often overlooked also,there are more foreign born people on the island of ireland than there are now Unionists who constitute 13/14% of the population of this island.

Don't know why the DUP keeps getting mentioned they're irrelevant. It's Brussels causing the problem.

It’s fairly clear that you don’t have a clue yet again what you are talking about

Yet again

Your fixation with Brussels is tiresome at this stage

All I'm doing is proposing solutions. Seems like so may people don't want to face reality.

How about we roll back Brexit and most people will be a lot happier - that is a more plausible solution

I note that whilst 41 Police persons have been injured in NI over the past 3 nights, the resumption of ‘the troubles’ isn’t enough for the loony right to say adhere to the GFA?

I so want NI to be peaceful, but it seems this is a price they are willing to pay! None of this is the fault of the EU, Boris reneged on the deal with Ireland & the EU (& the US). This is serious & too many people have been killed already It is difficult to see what relevance the GFA has to this scenario. It was drawn up 25 years ago when Brexit was not even being considered. Had the EU chosen to take a pragmatic approach to the border issue , the border issue would not have arisen. As things stand the current controls are making life more difficult for cross channel hauliers. Boris has never at any stage indicated that he wanted a border in Ireland. This appears to be an EU requirement. If anything? Boris has indicated his unconditional support for the people of Northern Ireland by supporting the structure of a floating bridge between Belfast and Scotland.

“Boris has shown his unconditional support for the people of NI supporting the structure of a floating bridge between Belfast and Scotland”

Boris has ludicrous idea and you think that equals support for the people of NI?

A floating bridge no less

You should read up on the sea conditions on the north channel nevermind the munitions dumped there

This proposed piece of lunacy would cost cost £20bn plus

And yet there’s no motorway between Belfast and Dublin on the NI side

There’s a cattle track between Derry and Belfast

The rail system is archaic in NI into the bargain

For £2bn you’d get a state of the art rail system that would serve the whole of NI,that’s a tenth of Boris back of an envelope proposal

Unconditional support my arse The journey from Belfast to Londonderry is 71 miles , of which at least 50 miles will either be motorway or dual carriageways by 2022. This is hardly what you describe as being a cattle track. The sections not yet upgraded are in less use and have where appropriate climbing lanes .

The tunnel or floating bridge between Belfast and NI has been discussed on a number of occasions. It may seem a ridiculous idea to some but the more progressive members of society prefer to move forwards and progress with modern technology. It would be a boost to the NI economy .

At least Boris Johnson and his government can think beyond the middle class elite of Islington and take into account the needs and concerns of every area of the UK.

Yet despite all this consideration people are criticising him for proposing what would be a fantastic engineering achievement.

Garden bridge..

Thames estuary airport..

Other deflectors by Boris, both given the consideration they deserved by the experts in..

The garden bridge cost millions, how much has and will his mess with brexit cost and not just in monetary terms..

Wake up pat.. I prefer to judge people by their successes in life. Anyone who has succeeded in life will have encountered failures along the way.

The important thing is to learn from failure and use your strengths for future success .

A floating bridge would be of enormous benefit to the people of Northern Ireland and would overcome some of the problems faced by cross channel hauliers. With reduced transit times and easier movement it should be possible to create additional jobs which is for the benefit of every citizen in Northern Ireland.

If the project is completed successfully it would be viewed as one of engineering excellence throughout the world .

It's a vanity idea, another failed one from someone with a track record of..

The costs simply do not relate to imaginary savings, economically naive..

Absolutely. But it served its purpose of distracting people from all the problems created in NI by brexit.

Created by Brussels for political reasons "

The capital of Belgium created this stupid tunnel plan as distraction from the NI brexit related issues!

Bizarre claim. Even by your standards.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple  over a year ago

in Lancashire


"And yet no one can explain why Europe suddenly wants a border at all. What practical purpose is served by it that wasn't the case since the fudge of the GFA?

Brussels couldn't just be playing politics could they?

It's perfectly clear we will just kick the can down the road until Brussels get tired of their own nonsense.

Excellent confusion. Some of your best work.

More of this kind of thing.

Yet you're unable to answer.

Makes you think doesn't it? What's the border for?

Are you asking why the EU has a customs border between themselves and the rest of the world?

Let me put it as simply as possible :

Why does the EU want a hard border with NI when it doesn't have one with Switzerland?

The EU has a specific arrangement with Switzerland that they negotiated together.

The UK is out, same as the rest of the world.

There can't be a hard border on the Island of Ireland, as per the GFA.

This was highlighted prior to the referendum and written off as "project fear".

I don't know what it is that you're pretending not to understand.

Yes, I think we all understand specific countries have negotiated specific agreements. Great.

My question is, last attempt, what PURPOSE is served by a hard border?

To control the movement of goods and people in and out of the EU.

But they've tolerated enormous scale drugs, alcohol and diesel smuggling across Ireland since 1994. Bit weird surely?

Yet another wild and baseless claim in relation to Ireland

The DUP were fully behind and supportive of the NI protocol despite everyone else on the Island of every political shade and hue warning them of the consequences,they didn’t listen.

The British Government negotiated and passed the protocol because bottom line NI is of little impact either politically or economically to the Tory Government.

And now it seems when the consequences become apparent to the DUP and there’s an shift in opinion polls or the likes of the TUV,they decide to fire up a few disaffected teenagers to attack the police

A majority in NI voted to stay in the EU

And something that’s often overlooked also,there are more foreign born people on the island of ireland than there are now Unionists who constitute 13/14% of the population of this island.

Don't know why the DUP keeps getting mentioned they're irrelevant. It's Brussels causing the problem.

It’s fairly clear that you don’t have a clue yet again what you are talking about

Yet again

Your fixation with Brussels is tiresome at this stage

All I'm doing is proposing solutions. Seems like so may people don't want to face reality.

How about we roll back Brexit and most people will be a lot happier - that is a more plausible solution

I note that whilst 41 Police persons have been injured in NI over the past 3 nights, the resumption of ‘the troubles’ isn’t enough for the loony right to say adhere to the GFA?

I so want NI to be peaceful, but it seems this is a price they are willing to pay! None of this is the fault of the EU, Boris reneged on the deal with Ireland & the EU (& the US). This is serious & too many people have been killed already It is difficult to see what relevance the GFA has to this scenario. It was drawn up 25 years ago when Brexit was not even being considered. Had the EU chosen to take a pragmatic approach to the border issue , the border issue would not have arisen. As things stand the current controls are making life more difficult for cross channel hauliers. Boris has never at any stage indicated that he wanted a border in Ireland. This appears to be an EU requirement. If anything? Boris has indicated his unconditional support for the people of Northern Ireland by supporting the structure of a floating bridge between Belfast and Scotland.

“Boris has shown his unconditional support for the people of NI supporting the structure of a floating bridge between Belfast and Scotland”

Boris has ludicrous idea and you think that equals support for the people of NI?

A floating bridge no less

You should read up on the sea conditions on the north channel nevermind the munitions dumped there

This proposed piece of lunacy would cost cost £20bn plus

And yet there’s no motorway between Belfast and Dublin on the NI side

There’s a cattle track between Derry and Belfast

The rail system is archaic in NI into the bargain

For £2bn you’d get a state of the art rail system that would serve the whole of NI,that’s a tenth of Boris back of an envelope proposal

Unconditional support my arse The journey from Belfast to Londonderry is 71 miles , of which at least 50 miles will either be motorway or dual carriageways by 2022. This is hardly what you describe as being a cattle track. The sections not yet upgraded are in less use and have where appropriate climbing lanes .

The tunnel or floating bridge between Belfast and NI has been discussed on a number of occasions. It may seem a ridiculous idea to some but the more progressive members of society prefer to move forwards and progress with modern technology. It would be a boost to the NI economy .

At least Boris Johnson and his government can think beyond the middle class elite of Islington and take into account the needs and concerns of every area of the UK.

Yet despite all this consideration people are criticising him for proposing what would be a fantastic engineering achievement.

Garden bridge..

Thames estuary airport..

Other deflectors by Boris, both given the consideration they deserved by the experts in..

The garden bridge cost millions, how much has and will his mess with brexit cost and not just in monetary terms..

Wake up pat.. I prefer to judge people by their successes in life. Anyone who has succeeded in life will have encountered failures along the way.

The important thing is to learn from failure and use your strengths for future success .

A floating bridge would be of enormous benefit to the people of Northern Ireland and would overcome some of the problems faced by cross channel hauliers. With reduced transit times and easier movement it should be possible to create additional jobs which is for the benefit of every citizen in Northern Ireland.

If the project is completed successfully it would be viewed as one of engineering excellence throughout the world .

It's a vanity idea, another failed one from someone with a track record of..

The costs simply do not relate to imaginary savings, economically naive..

Absolutely. But it served its purpose of distracting people from all the problems created in NI by brexit.

Created by Brussels for political reasons

The capital of Belgium created this stupid tunnel plan as distraction from the NI brexit related issues!

Bizarre claim. Even by your standards. "

Boris is in many pockets ..

Not just the oligarchs pulling his strings..

Who knew..

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"And yet no one can explain why Europe suddenly wants a border at all. What practical purpose is served by it that wasn't the case since the fudge of the GFA?

Brussels couldn't just be playing politics could they?

It's perfectly clear we will just kick the can down the road until Brussels get tired of their own nonsense.

Excellent confusion. Some of your best work.

More of this kind of thing.

Yet you're unable to answer.

Makes you think doesn't it? What's the border for?

Are you asking why the EU has a customs border between themselves and the rest of the world?

Let me put it as simply as possible :

Why does the EU want a hard border with NI when it doesn't have one with Switzerland?

The EU has a specific arrangement with Switzerland that they negotiated together.

The UK is out, same as the rest of the world.

There can't be a hard border on the Island of Ireland, as per the GFA.

This was highlighted prior to the referendum and written off as "project fear".

I don't know what it is that you're pretending not to understand.

Yes, I think we all understand specific countries have negotiated specific agreements. Great.

My question is, last attempt, what PURPOSE is served by a hard border?

To control the movement of goods and people in and out of the EU.

But they've tolerated enormous scale drugs, alcohol and diesel smuggling across Ireland since 1994. Bit weird surely?

Yet another wild and baseless claim in relation to Ireland

The DUP were fully behind and supportive of the NI protocol despite everyone else on the Island of every political shade and hue warning them of the consequences,they didn’t listen.

The British Government negotiated and passed the protocol because bottom line NI is of little impact either politically or economically to the Tory Government.

And now it seems when the consequences become apparent to the DUP and there’s an shift in opinion polls or the likes of the TUV,they decide to fire up a few disaffected teenagers to attack the police

A majority in NI voted to stay in the EU

And something that’s often overlooked also,there are more foreign born people on the island of ireland than there are now Unionists who constitute 13/14% of the population of this island.

Don't know why the DUP keeps getting mentioned they're irrelevant. It's Brussels causing the problem.

It’s fairly clear that you don’t have a clue yet again what you are talking about

Yet again

Your fixation with Brussels is tiresome at this stage

All I'm doing is proposing solutions. Seems like so may people don't want to face reality.

How about we roll back Brexit and most people will be a lot happier - that is a more plausible solution

I note that whilst 41 Police persons have been injured in NI over the past 3 nights, the resumption of ‘the troubles’ isn’t enough for the loony right to say adhere to the GFA?

I so want NI to be peaceful, but it seems this is a price they are willing to pay! None of this is the fault of the EU, Boris reneged on the deal with Ireland & the EU (& the US). This is serious & too many people have been killed already It is difficult to see what relevance the GFA has to this scenario. It was drawn up 25 years ago when Brexit was not even being considered. Had the EU chosen to take a pragmatic approach to the border issue , the border issue would not have arisen. As things stand the current controls are making life more difficult for cross channel hauliers. Boris has never at any stage indicated that he wanted a border in Ireland. This appears to be an EU requirement. If anything? Boris has indicated his unconditional support for the people of Northern Ireland by supporting the structure of a floating bridge between Belfast and Scotland.

“Boris has shown his unconditional support for the people of NI supporting the structure of a floating bridge between Belfast and Scotland”

Boris has ludicrous idea and you think that equals support for the people of NI?

A floating bridge no less

You should read up on the sea conditions on the north channel nevermind the munitions dumped there

This proposed piece of lunacy would cost cost £20bn plus

And yet there’s no motorway between Belfast and Dublin on the NI side

There’s a cattle track between Derry and Belfast

The rail system is archaic in NI into the bargain

For £2bn you’d get a state of the art rail system that would serve the whole of NI,that’s a tenth of Boris back of an envelope proposal

Unconditional support my arse The journey from Belfast to Londonderry is 71 miles , of which at least 50 miles will either be motorway or dual carriageways by 2022. This is hardly what you describe as being a cattle track. The sections not yet upgraded are in less use and have where appropriate climbing lanes .

The tunnel or floating bridge between Belfast and NI has been discussed on a number of occasions. It may seem a ridiculous idea to some but the more progressive members of society prefer to move forwards and progress with modern technology. It would be a boost to the NI economy .

At least Boris Johnson and his government can think beyond the middle class elite of Islington and take into account the needs and concerns of every area of the UK.

Yet despite all this consideration people are criticising him for proposing what would be a fantastic engineering achievement.

Garden bridge..

Thames estuary airport..

Other deflectors by Boris, both given the consideration they deserved by the experts in..

The garden bridge cost millions, how much has and will his mess with brexit cost and not just in monetary terms..

Wake up pat.. I prefer to judge people by their successes in life. Anyone who has succeeded in life will have encountered failures along the way.

The important thing is to learn from failure and use your strengths for future success .

A floating bridge would be of enormous benefit to the people of Northern Ireland and would overcome some of the problems faced by cross channel hauliers. With reduced transit times and easier movement it should be possible to create additional jobs which is for the benefit of every citizen in Northern Ireland.

If the project is completed successfully it would be viewed as one of engineering excellence throughout the world . "

A floating bridge? PMSL

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple  over a year ago

in Lancashire


"And yet no one can explain why Europe suddenly wants a border at all. What practical purpose is served by it that wasn't the case since the fudge of the GFA?

Brussels couldn't just be playing politics could they?

It's perfectly clear we will just kick the can down the road until Brussels get tired of their own nonsense.

Excellent confusion. Some of your best work.

More of this kind of thing.

Yet you're unable to answer.

Makes you think doesn't it? What's the border for?

Are you asking why the EU has a customs border between themselves and the rest of the world?

Let me put it as simply as possible :

Why does the EU want a hard border with NI when it doesn't have one with Switzerland?

The EU has a specific arrangement with Switzerland that they negotiated together.

The UK is out, same as the rest of the world.

There can't be a hard border on the Island of Ireland, as per the GFA.

This was highlighted prior to the referendum and written off as "project fear".

I don't know what it is that you're pretending not to understand.

Yes, I think we all understand specific countries have negotiated specific agreements. Great.

My question is, last attempt, what PURPOSE is served by a hard border?

To control the movement of goods and people in and out of the EU.

But they've tolerated enormous scale drugs, alcohol and diesel smuggling across Ireland since 1994. Bit weird surely?

Yet another wild and baseless claim in relation to Ireland

The DUP were fully behind and supportive of the NI protocol despite everyone else on the Island of every political shade and hue warning them of the consequences,they didn’t listen.

The British Government negotiated and passed the protocol because bottom line NI is of little impact either politically or economically to the Tory Government.

And now it seems when the consequences become apparent to the DUP and there’s an shift in opinion polls or the likes of the TUV,they decide to fire up a few disaffected teenagers to attack the police

A majority in NI voted to stay in the EU

And something that’s often overlooked also,there are more foreign born people on the island of ireland than there are now Unionists who constitute 13/14% of the population of this island.

Don't know why the DUP keeps getting mentioned they're irrelevant. It's Brussels causing the problem.

It’s fairly clear that you don’t have a clue yet again what you are talking about

Yet again

Your fixation with Brussels is tiresome at this stage

All I'm doing is proposing solutions. Seems like so may people don't want to face reality.

How about we roll back Brexit and most people will be a lot happier - that is a more plausible solution

I note that whilst 41 Police persons have been injured in NI over the past 3 nights, the resumption of ‘the troubles’ isn’t enough for the loony right to say adhere to the GFA?

I so want NI to be peaceful, but it seems this is a price they are willing to pay! None of this is the fault of the EU, Boris reneged on the deal with Ireland & the EU (& the US). This is serious & too many people have been killed already It is difficult to see what relevance the GFA has to this scenario. It was drawn up 25 years ago when Brexit was not even being considered. Had the EU chosen to take a pragmatic approach to the border issue , the border issue would not have arisen. As things stand the current controls are making life more difficult for cross channel hauliers. Boris has never at any stage indicated that he wanted a border in Ireland. This appears to be an EU requirement. If anything? Boris has indicated his unconditional support for the people of Northern Ireland by supporting the structure of a floating bridge between Belfast and Scotland.

“Boris has shown his unconditional support for the people of NI supporting the structure of a floating bridge between Belfast and Scotland”

Boris has ludicrous idea and you think that equals support for the people of NI?

A floating bridge no less

You should read up on the sea conditions on the north channel nevermind the munitions dumped there

This proposed piece of lunacy would cost cost £20bn plus

And yet there’s no motorway between Belfast and Dublin on the NI side

There’s a cattle track between Derry and Belfast

The rail system is archaic in NI into the bargain

For £2bn you’d get a state of the art rail system that would serve the whole of NI,that’s a tenth of Boris back of an envelope proposal

Unconditional support my arse The journey from Belfast to Londonderry is 71 miles , of which at least 50 miles will either be motorway or dual carriageways by 2022. This is hardly what you describe as being a cattle track. The sections not yet upgraded are in less use and have where appropriate climbing lanes .

The tunnel or floating bridge between Belfast and NI has been discussed on a number of occasions. It may seem a ridiculous idea to some but the more progressive members of society prefer to move forwards and progress with modern technology. It would be a boost to the NI economy .

At least Boris Johnson and his government can think beyond the middle class elite of Islington and take into account the needs and concerns of every area of the UK.

Yet despite all this consideration people are criticising him for proposing what would be a fantastic engineering achievement.

Garden bridge..

Thames estuary airport..

Other deflectors by Boris, both given the consideration they deserved by the experts in..

The garden bridge cost millions, how much has and will his mess with brexit cost and not just in monetary terms..

Wake up pat.. I prefer to judge people by their successes in life. Anyone who has succeeded in life will have encountered failures along the way.

The important thing is to learn from failure and use your strengths for future success .

A floating bridge would be of enormous benefit to the people of Northern Ireland and would overcome some of the problems faced by cross channel hauliers. With reduced transit times and easier movement it should be possible to create additional jobs which is for the benefit of every citizen in Northern Ireland.

If the project is completed successfully it would be viewed as one of engineering excellence throughout the world .

A floating bridge? PMSL "

We've still got plenty of bailey lying about, might have to buy in the pontoons..

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By *ethnmelvCouple  over a year ago

Chudleigh


"And yet no one can explain why Europe suddenly wants a border at all. What practical purpose is served by it that wasn't the case since the fudge of the GFA?

Brussels couldn't just be playing politics could they?

It's perfectly clear we will just kick the can down the road until Brussels get tired of their own nonsense.

Excellent confusion. Some of your best work.

More of this kind of thing.

Yet you're unable to answer.

Makes you think doesn't it? What's the border for?

Are you asking why the EU has a customs border between themselves and the rest of the world?

Let me put it as simply as possible :

Why does the EU want a hard border with NI when it doesn't have one with Switzerland?

The EU has a specific arrangement with Switzerland that they negotiated together.

The UK is out, same as the rest of the world.

There can't be a hard border on the Island of Ireland, as per the GFA.

This was highlighted prior to the referendum and written off as "project fear".

I don't know what it is that you're pretending not to understand.

Yes, I think we all understand specific countries have negotiated specific agreements. Great.

My question is, last attempt, what PURPOSE is served by a hard border?

To control the movement of goods and people in and out of the EU.

But they've tolerated enormous scale drugs, alcohol and diesel smuggling across Ireland since 1994. Bit weird surely?

Yet another wild and baseless claim in relation to Ireland

The DUP were fully behind and supportive of the NI protocol despite everyone else on the Island of every political shade and hue warning them of the consequences,they didn’t listen.

The British Government negotiated and passed the protocol because bottom line NI is of little impact either politically or economically to the Tory Government.

And now it seems when the consequences become apparent to the DUP and there’s an shift in opinion polls or the likes of the TUV,they decide to fire up a few disaffected teenagers to attack the police

A majority in NI voted to stay in the EU

And something that’s often overlooked also,there are more foreign born people on the island of ireland than there are now Unionists who constitute 13/14% of the population of this island.

Don't know why the DUP keeps getting mentioned they're irrelevant. It's Brussels causing the problem.

It’s fairly clear that you don’t have a clue yet again what you are talking about

Yet again

Your fixation with Brussels is tiresome at this stage

All I'm doing is proposing solutions. Seems like so may people don't want to face reality.

How about we roll back Brexit and most people will be a lot happier - that is a more plausible solution

I note that whilst 41 Police persons have been injured in NI over the past 3 nights, the resumption of ‘the troubles’ isn’t enough for the loony right to say adhere to the GFA?

I so want NI to be peaceful, but it seems this is a price they are willing to pay! None of this is the fault of the EU, Boris reneged on the deal with Ireland & the EU (& the US). This is serious & too many people have been killed already It is difficult to see what relevance the GFA has to this scenario. It was drawn up 25 years ago when Brexit was not even being considered. Had the EU chosen to take a pragmatic approach to the border issue , the border issue would not have arisen. As things stand the current controls are making life more difficult for cross channel hauliers. Boris has never at any stage indicated that he wanted a border in Ireland. This appears to be an EU requirement. If anything? Boris has indicated his unconditional support for the people of Northern Ireland by supporting the structure of a floating bridge between Belfast and Scotland.

“Boris has shown his unconditional support for the people of NI supporting the structure of a floating bridge between Belfast and Scotland”

Boris has ludicrous idea and you think that equals support for the people of NI?

A floating bridge no less

You should read up on the sea conditions on the north channel nevermind the munitions dumped there

This proposed piece of lunacy would cost cost £20bn plus

And yet there’s no motorway between Belfast and Dublin on the NI side

There’s a cattle track between Derry and Belfast

The rail system is archaic in NI into the bargain

For £2bn you’d get a state of the art rail system that would serve the whole of NI,that’s a tenth of Boris back of an envelope proposal

Unconditional support my arse The journey from Belfast to Londonderry is 71 miles , of which at least 50 miles will either be motorway or dual carriageways by 2022. This is hardly what you describe as being a cattle track. The sections not yet upgraded are in less use and have where appropriate climbing lanes .

The tunnel or floating bridge between Belfast and NI has been discussed on a number of occasions. It may seem a ridiculous idea to some but the more progressive members of society prefer to move forwards and progress with modern technology. It would be a boost to the NI economy .

At least Boris Johnson and his government can think beyond the middle class elite of Islington and take into account the needs and concerns of every area of the UK.

Yet despite all this consideration people are criticising him for proposing what would be a fantastic engineering achievement.

This is a wind up right?

Surely no human would think wasting billions on a pointless tunnel is a good idea?

I pity your lack of imagination.

Channel Tunnel you probably nayed that as well. "

Nuclear subs based in Faslane would only have a single route out to the Atlantic should this idiocy prevail. So on the one hand we have a tunnel below the biggest ammo dump in UK waters, or a floating tunnel above said ammo dump and nuclea subs - it will not happen. It is another ludicrous waste of time & money - it would be cheaper & easier to provide free ferries instead (which we have discussed before).

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"And yet no one can explain why Europe suddenly wants a border at all. What practical purpose is served by it that wasn't the case since the fudge of the GFA?

Brussels couldn't just be playing politics could they?

It's perfectly clear we will just kick the can down the road until Brussels get tired of their own nonsense.

Excellent confusion. Some of your best work.

More of this kind of thing.

Yet you're unable to answer.

Makes you think doesn't it? What's the border for?

Are you asking why the EU has a customs border between themselves and the rest of the world?

Let me put it as simply as possible :

Why does the EU want a hard border with NI when it doesn't have one with Switzerland?

The EU has a specific arrangement with Switzerland that they negotiated together.

The UK is out, same as the rest of the world.

There can't be a hard border on the Island of Ireland, as per the GFA.

This was highlighted prior to the referendum and written off as "project fear".

I don't know what it is that you're pretending not to understand.

Yes, I think we all understand specific countries have negotiated specific agreements. Great.

My question is, last attempt, what PURPOSE is served by a hard border?

To control the movement of goods and people in and out of the EU.

But they've tolerated enormous scale drugs, alcohol and diesel smuggling across Ireland since 1994. Bit weird surely?

Yet another wild and baseless claim in relation to Ireland

The DUP were fully behind and supportive of the NI protocol despite everyone else on the Island of every political shade and hue warning them of the consequences,they didn’t listen.

The British Government negotiated and passed the protocol because bottom line NI is of little impact either politically or economically to the Tory Government.

And now it seems when the consequences become apparent to the DUP and there’s an shift in opinion polls or the likes of the TUV,they decide to fire up a few disaffected teenagers to attack the police

A majority in NI voted to stay in the EU

And something that’s often overlooked also,there are more foreign born people on the island of ireland than there are now Unionists who constitute 13/14% of the population of this island.

Don't know why the DUP keeps getting mentioned they're irrelevant. It's Brussels causing the problem.

It’s fairly clear that you don’t have a clue yet again what you are talking about

Yet again

Your fixation with Brussels is tiresome at this stage

All I'm doing is proposing solutions. Seems like so may people don't want to face reality.

How about we roll back Brexit and most people will be a lot happier - that is a more plausible solution

I note that whilst 41 Police persons have been injured in NI over the past 3 nights, the resumption of ‘the troubles’ isn’t enough for the loony right to say adhere to the GFA?

I so want NI to be peaceful, but it seems this is a price they are willing to pay! None of this is the fault of the EU, Boris reneged on the deal with Ireland & the EU (& the US). This is serious & too many people have been killed already It is difficult to see what relevance the GFA has to this scenario. It was drawn up 25 years ago when Brexit was not even being considered. Had the EU chosen to take a pragmatic approach to the border issue , the border issue would not have arisen. As things stand the current controls are making life more difficult for cross channel hauliers. Boris has never at any stage indicated that he wanted a border in Ireland. This appears to be an EU requirement. If anything? Boris has indicated his unconditional support for the people of Northern Ireland by supporting the structure of a floating bridge between Belfast and Scotland.

“Boris has shown his unconditional support for the people of NI supporting the structure of a floating bridge between Belfast and Scotland”

Boris has ludicrous idea and you think that equals support for the people of NI?

A floating bridge no less

You should read up on the sea conditions on the north channel nevermind the munitions dumped there

This proposed piece of lunacy would cost cost £20bn plus

And yet there’s no motorway between Belfast and Dublin on the NI side

There’s a cattle track between Derry and Belfast

The rail system is archaic in NI into the bargain

For £2bn you’d get a state of the art rail system that would serve the whole of NI,that’s a tenth of Boris back of an envelope proposal

Unconditional support my arse The journey from Belfast to Londonderry is 71 miles , of which at least 50 miles will either be motorway or dual carriageways by 2022. This is hardly what you describe as being a cattle track. The sections not yet upgraded are in less use and have where appropriate climbing lanes .

The tunnel or floating bridge between Belfast and NI has been discussed on a number of occasions. It may seem a ridiculous idea to some but the more progressive members of society prefer to move forwards and progress with modern technology. It would be a boost to the NI economy .

At least Boris Johnson and his government can think beyond the middle class elite of Islington and take into account the needs and concerns of every area of the UK.

Yet despite all this consideration people are criticising him for proposing what would be a fantastic engineering achievement. "

Interesting to see you focused on the Belfast-Derry road being 2/3rds finished as some sort of a win

This road should have been a motorway decades ago and even still doesn’t address the area around the glenshane pass which is most in need of improvement

You also chose to ignore the lack of a motorway between the two largest cities (Dublin-Belfast)on the island,on the NI side

Nevermind the NI Railway system which is in dire need of funding

Your hero is proposing spending £20bn plus on a floating bridge which will be closed half the year for starters and that’s before we even start talking about his other idea of turning the Isle of Man into some sort of an all island roundabout with tunnels shooting off in 2/3 directions

Here’s the reality

£2bn sorts the railway system

Another £3bn sorts the roads infrastructure

And the reminder then can be used to buy each loyalist their own ferry who believes this piece of patronizing distraction politics guff.

It might actually open your eyes if you were to read this article which shows up the sorry state of NI’s infrastructure

https://sluggerotoole.com/2021/03/18/tackling-northern-irelands-infrastructure-apartheid-part-1-the-problem/

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I can guarantee OP that the youngsters out on the streets would read the majority of what's been posted here and ask wtf they're going on about.

Way back up there Jubal hit the nail on the head. And the catalyst for it kicking off now was the recent decision by the PPS not to prosecute anyone in relation to breaches of covid regs at the funeral of IRA man Bobby Storey last year, which included prominent members of Sinn Fein and most notably our deputy First Minister Michelle O'Neill.

The ones out on the streets are nothing but wee scrotes who are being egged on by people who should no better.

They are also in the minority. Most of us here think they're wee dicks who should be dragged home by the scruff of their necks by their ma. It'll die down - everyone's back to school next week.

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS  over a year ago

Notts


"I can guarantee OP that the youngsters out on the streets would read the majority of what's been posted here and ask wtf they're going on about.

Way back up there Jubal hit the nail on the head. And the catalyst for it kicking off now was the recent decision by the PPS not to prosecute anyone in relation to breaches of covid regs at the funeral of IRA man Bobby Storey last year, which included prominent members of Sinn Fein and most notably our deputy First Minister Michelle O'Neill.

The ones out on the streets are nothing but wee scrotes who are being egged on by people who should no better.

They are also in the minority. Most of us here think they're wee dicks who should be dragged home by the scruff of their necks by their ma. It'll die down - everyone's back to school next week.

"

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"And yet no one can explain why Europe suddenly wants a border at all. What practical purpose is served by it that wasn't the case since the fudge of the GFA?

Brussels couldn't just be playing politics could they?

It's perfectly clear we will just kick the can down the road until Brussels get tired of their own nonsense.

Excellent confusion. Some of your best work.

More of this kind of thing.

Yet you're unable to answer.

Makes you think doesn't it? What's the border for?

Are you asking why the EU has a customs border between themselves and the rest of the world?

Let me put it as simply as possible :

Why does the EU want a hard border with NI when it doesn't have one with Switzerland?

The EU has a specific arrangement with Switzerland that they negotiated together.

The UK is out, same as the rest of the world.

There can't be a hard border on the Island of Ireland, as per the GFA.

This was highlighted prior to the referendum and written off as "project fear".

I don't know what it is that you're pretending not to understand.

Yes, I think we all understand specific countries have negotiated specific agreements. Great.

My question is, last attempt, what PURPOSE is served by a hard border?

To control the movement of goods and people in and out of the EU.

But they've tolerated enormous scale drugs, alcohol and diesel smuggling across Ireland since 1994. Bit weird surely?

Yet another wild and baseless claim in relation to Ireland

The DUP were fully behind and supportive of the NI protocol despite everyone else on the Island of every political shade and hue warning them of the consequences,they didn’t listen.

The British Government negotiated and passed the protocol because bottom line NI is of little impact either politically or economically to the Tory Government.

And now it seems when the consequences become apparent to the DUP and there’s an shift in opinion polls or the likes of the TUV,they decide to fire up a few disaffected teenagers to attack the police

A majority in NI voted to stay in the EU

And something that’s often overlooked also,there are more foreign born people on the island of ireland than there are now Unionists who constitute 13/14% of the population of this island.

Don't know why the DUP keeps getting mentioned they're irrelevant. It's Brussels causing the problem.

It’s fairly clear that you don’t have a clue yet again what you are talking about

Yet again

Your fixation with Brussels is tiresome at this stage

All I'm doing is proposing solutions. Seems like so may people don't want to face reality.

How about we roll back Brexit and most people will be a lot happier - that is a more plausible solution "

Best Solution yet .

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I can guarantee OP that the youngsters out on the streets would read the majority of what's been posted here and ask wtf they're going on about.

Way back up there Jubal hit the nail on the head. And the catalyst for it kicking off now was the recent decision by the PPS not to prosecute anyone in relation to breaches of covid regs at the funeral of IRA man Bobby Storey last year, which included prominent members of Sinn Fein and most notably our deputy First Minister Michelle O'Neill.

The ones out on the streets are nothing but wee scrotes who are being egged on by people who should no better.

They are also in the minority. Most of us here think they're wee dicks who should be dragged home by the scruff of their necks by their ma. It'll die down - everyone's back to school next week.

"

Cant really say its that alone .

The parties & March along the Shankhill for 55

By The Blue noses from Glasgow . You cant be inicking or prosecuting for funerals & not be knicking & prosecuting

A football club winning a title for the 1st time in 10 years .

https://youtu.be/p57nxG2z_us

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By *uliaChrisCouple  over a year ago

westerham


"And yet no one can explain why Europe suddenly wants a border at all. What practical purpose is served by it that wasn't the case since the fudge of the GFA?

Brussels couldn't just be playing politics could they?

It's perfectly clear we will just kick the can down the road until Brussels get tired of their own nonsense.

Excellent confusion. Some of your best work.

More of this kind of thing.

Yet you're unable to answer.

Makes you think doesn't it? What's the border for?

Are you asking why the EU has a customs border between themselves and the rest of the world?

Let me put it as simply as possible :

Why does the EU want a hard border with NI when it doesn't have one with Switzerland?

The EU has a specific arrangement with Switzerland that they negotiated together.

The UK is out, same as the rest of the world.

There can't be a hard border on the Island of Ireland, as per the GFA.

This was highlighted prior to the referendum and written off as "project fear".

I don't know what it is that you're pretending not to understand.

Yes, I think we all understand specific countries have negotiated specific agreements. Great.

My question is, last attempt, what PURPOSE is served by a hard border?

To control the movement of goods and people in and out of the EU.

But they've tolerated enormous scale drugs, alcohol and diesel smuggling across Ireland since 1994. Bit weird surely?

Yet another wild and baseless claim in relation to Ireland

The DUP were fully behind and supportive of the NI protocol despite everyone else on the Island of every political shade and hue warning them of the consequences,they didn’t listen.

The British Government negotiated and passed the protocol because bottom line NI is of little impact either politically or economically to the Tory Government.

And now it seems when the consequences become apparent to the DUP and there’s an shift in opinion polls or the likes of the TUV,they decide to fire up a few disaffected teenagers to attack the police

A majority in NI voted to stay in the EU

And something that’s often overlooked also,there are more foreign born people on the island of ireland than there are now Unionists who constitute 13/14% of the population of this island.

Don't know why the DUP keeps getting mentioned they're irrelevant. It's Brussels causing the problem.

It’s fairly clear that you don’t have a clue yet again what you are talking about

Yet again

Your fixation with Brussels is tiresome at this stage

All I'm doing is proposing solutions. Seems like so may people don't want to face reality.

How about we roll back Brexit and most people will be a lot happier - that is a more plausible solution

I note that whilst 41 Police persons have been injured in NI over the past 3 nights, the resumption of ‘the troubles’ isn’t enough for the loony right to say adhere to the GFA?

I so want NI to be peaceful, but it seems this is a price they are willing to pay! None of this is the fault of the EU, Boris reneged on the deal with Ireland & the EU (& the US). This is serious & too many people have been killed already It is difficult to see what relevance the GFA has to this scenario. It was drawn up 25 years ago when Brexit was not even being considered. Had the EU chosen to take a pragmatic approach to the border issue , the border issue would not have arisen. As things stand the current controls are making life more difficult for cross channel hauliers. Boris has never at any stage indicated that he wanted a border in Ireland. This appears to be an EU requirement. If anything? Boris has indicated his unconditional support for the people of Northern Ireland by supporting the structure of a floating bridge between Belfast and Scotland.

“Boris has shown his unconditional support for the people of NI supporting the structure of a floating bridge between Belfast and Scotland”

Boris has ludicrous idea and you think that equals support for the people of NI?

A floating bridge no less

You should read up on the sea conditions on the north channel nevermind the munitions dumped there

This proposed piece of lunacy would cost cost £20bn plus

And yet there’s no motorway between Belfast and Dublin on the NI side

There’s a cattle track between Derry and Belfast

The rail system is archaic in NI into the bargain

For £2bn you’d get a state of the art rail system that would serve the whole of NI,that’s a tenth of Boris back of an envelope proposal

Unconditional support my arse The journey from Belfast to Londonderry is 71 miles , of which at least 50 miles will either be motorway or dual carriageways by 2022. This is hardly what you describe as being a cattle track. The sections not yet upgraded are in less use and have where appropriate climbing lanes .

The tunnel or floating bridge between Belfast and NI has been discussed on a number of occasions. It may seem a ridiculous idea to some but the more progressive members of society prefer to move forwards and progress with modern technology. It would be a boost to the NI economy .

At least Boris Johnson and his government can think beyond the middle class elite of Islington and take into account the needs and concerns of every area of the UK.

Yet despite all this consideration people are criticising him for proposing what would be a fantastic engineering achievement.

This is a wind up right?

Surely no human would think wasting billions on a pointless tunnel is a good idea?

I pity your lack of imagination.

Channel Tunnel you probably nayed that as well.

Nuclear subs based in Faslane would only have a single route out to the Atlantic should this idiocy prevail. So on the one hand we have a tunnel below the biggest ammo dump in UK waters, or a floating tunnel above said ammo dump and nuclea subs - it will not happen. It is another ludicrous waste of time & money - it would be cheaper & easier to provide free ferries instead (which we have discussed before)."

Yes we have discussed your misunderstanding of the concept of "free" before

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By *uliaChrisCouple  over a year ago

westerham


"And yet no one can explain why Europe suddenly wants a border at all. What practical purpose is served by it that wasn't the case since the fudge of the GFA?

Brussels couldn't just be playing politics could they?

It's perfectly clear we will just kick the can down the road until Brussels get tired of their own nonsense.

Excellent confusion. Some of your best work.

More of this kind of thing.

Yet you're unable to answer.

Makes you think doesn't it? What's the border for?

Are you asking why the EU has a customs border between themselves and the rest of the world?

Let me put it as simply as possible :

Why does the EU want a hard border with NI when it doesn't have one with Switzerland?

The EU has a specific arrangement with Switzerland that they negotiated together.

The UK is out, same as the rest of the world.

There can't be a hard border on the Island of Ireland, as per the GFA.

This was highlighted prior to the referendum and written off as "project fear".

I don't know what it is that you're pretending not to understand.

Yes, I think we all understand specific countries have negotiated specific agreements. Great.

My question is, last attempt, what PURPOSE is served by a hard border?

To control the movement of goods and people in and out of the EU.

But they've tolerated enormous scale drugs, alcohol and diesel smuggling across Ireland since 1994. Bit weird surely?

Yet another wild and baseless claim in relation to Ireland

The DUP were fully behind and supportive of the NI protocol despite everyone else on the Island of every political shade and hue warning them of the consequences,they didn’t listen.

The British Government negotiated and passed the protocol because bottom line NI is of little impact either politically or economically to the Tory Government.

And now it seems when the consequences become apparent to the DUP and there’s an shift in opinion polls or the likes of the TUV,they decide to fire up a few disaffected teenagers to attack the police

A majority in NI voted to stay in the EU

And something that’s often overlooked also,there are more foreign born people on the island of ireland than there are now Unionists who constitute 13/14% of the population of this island.

Don't know why the DUP keeps getting mentioned they're irrelevant. It's Brussels causing the problem.

It’s fairly clear that you don’t have a clue yet again what you are talking about

Yet again

Your fixation with Brussels is tiresome at this stage

All I'm doing is proposing solutions. Seems like so may people don't want to face reality.

How about we roll back Brexit and most people will be a lot happier - that is a more plausible solution

I note that whilst 41 Police persons have been injured in NI over the past 3 nights, the resumption of ‘the troubles’ isn’t enough for the loony right to say adhere to the GFA?

I so want NI to be peaceful, but it seems this is a price they are willing to pay! None of this is the fault of the EU, Boris reneged on the deal with Ireland & the EU (& the US). This is serious & too many people have been killed already It is difficult to see what relevance the GFA has to this scenario. It was drawn up 25 years ago when Brexit was not even being considered. Had the EU chosen to take a pragmatic approach to the border issue , the border issue would not have arisen. As things stand the current controls are making life more difficult for cross channel hauliers. Boris has never at any stage indicated that he wanted a border in Ireland. This appears to be an EU requirement. If anything? Boris has indicated his unconditional support for the people of Northern Ireland by supporting the structure of a floating bridge between Belfast and Scotland.

“Boris has shown his unconditional support for the people of NI supporting the structure of a floating bridge between Belfast and Scotland”

Boris has ludicrous idea and you think that equals support for the people of NI?

A floating bridge no less

You should read up on the sea conditions on the north channel nevermind the munitions dumped there

This proposed piece of lunacy would cost cost £20bn plus

And yet there’s no motorway between Belfast and Dublin on the NI side

There’s a cattle track between Derry and Belfast

The rail system is archaic in NI into the bargain

For £2bn you’d get a state of the art rail system that would serve the whole of NI,that’s a tenth of Boris back of an envelope proposal

Unconditional support my arse The journey from Belfast to Londonderry is 71 miles , of which at least 50 miles will either be motorway or dual carriageways by 2022. This is hardly what you describe as being a cattle track. The sections not yet upgraded are in less use and have where appropriate climbing lanes .

The tunnel or floating bridge between Belfast and NI has been discussed on a number of occasions. It may seem a ridiculous idea to some but the more progressive members of society prefer to move forwards and progress with modern technology. It would be a boost to the NI economy .

At least Boris Johnson and his government can think beyond the middle class elite of Islington and take into account the needs and concerns of every area of the UK.

Yet despite all this consideration people are criticising him for proposing what would be a fantastic engineering achievement.

This is a wind up right?

Surely no human would think wasting billions on a pointless tunnel is a good idea?

I pity your lack of imagination.

Channel Tunnel you probably nayed that as well.

Nuclear subs based in Faslane would only have a single route out to the Atlantic should this idiocy prevail. So on the one hand we have a tunnel below the biggest ammo dump in UK waters, or a floating tunnel above said ammo dump and nuclea subs - it will not happen. It is another ludicrous waste of time & money - it would be cheaper & easier to provide free ferries instead (which we have discussed before)."

And I assure you that our subs do not spend their time piddling up and down the Irish Sea that's just ridiculous

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I can guarantee OP that the youngsters out on the streets would read the majority of what's been posted here and ask wtf they're going on about.

Way back up there Jubal hit the nail on the head. And the catalyst for it kicking off now was the recent decision by the PPS not to prosecute anyone in relation to breaches of covid regs at the funeral of IRA man Bobby Storey last year, which included prominent members of Sinn Fein and most notably our deputy First Minister Michelle O'Neill.

The ones out on the streets are nothing but wee scrotes who are being egged on by people who should no better.

They are also in the minority. Most of us here think they're wee dicks who should be dragged home by the scruff of their necks by their ma. It'll die down - everyone's back to school next week.

Cant really say its that alone .

The parties & March along the Shankhill for 55

By The Blue noses from Glasgow . You cant be inicking or prosecuting for funerals & not be knicking & prosecuting

A football club winning a title for the 1st time in 10 years .

https://youtu.be/p57nxG2z_us"

I didn't say it was that alone, as I already referred to Jubal's post further up the thread. I said the catalyst now was the PPS decision. Given that the majority of the current trouble is taking place in loyalist areas, I can assure you that they're not rioting because the police failed to arrest anyone for celebrating Rangers winning the title And the irony will be totally lost on them because everything here is partisan. They will justify it by saying "Well if Michelle O'Neill was able to breach the guidelines last June without any apology and comeback, then we can breach the guidelines too" because that's what it's like here. And those fires are being stoked left, right and centre. People with influence from the top down are rolling the snowballs and handing them to the wee millies to fire for them.

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By *ethnmelvCouple  over a year ago

Chudleigh


"And yet no one can explain why Europe suddenly wants a border at all. What practical purpose is served by it that wasn't the case since the fudge of the GFA?

Brussels couldn't just be playing politics could they?

It's perfectly clear we will just kick the can down the road until Brussels get tired of their own nonsense.

Excellent confusion. Some of your best work.

More of this kind of thing.

Yet you're unable to answer.

Makes you think doesn't it? What's the border for?

Are you asking why the EU has a customs border between themselves and the rest of the world?

Let me put it as simply as possible :

Why does the EU want a hard border with NI when it doesn't have one with Switzerland?

The EU has a specific arrangement with Switzerland that they negotiated together.

The UK is out, same as the rest of the world.

There can't be a hard border on the Island of Ireland, as per the GFA.

This was highlighted prior to the referendum and written off as "project fear".

I don't know what it is that you're pretending not to understand.

Yes, I think we all understand specific countries have negotiated specific agreements. Great.

My question is, last attempt, what PURPOSE is served by a hard border?

To control the movement of goods and people in and out of the EU.

But they've tolerated enormous scale drugs, alcohol and diesel smuggling across Ireland since 1994. Bit weird surely?

Yet another wild and baseless claim in relation to Ireland

The DUP were fully behind and supportive of the NI protocol despite everyone else on the Island of every political shade and hue warning them of the consequences,they didn’t listen.

The British Government negotiated and passed the protocol because bottom line NI is of little impact either politically or economically to the Tory Government.

And now it seems when the consequences become apparent to the DUP and there’s an shift in opinion polls or the likes of the TUV,they decide to fire up a few disaffected teenagers to attack the police

A majority in NI voted to stay in the EU

And something that’s often overlooked also,there are more foreign born people on the island of ireland than there are now Unionists who constitute 13/14% of the population of this island.

Don't know why the DUP keeps getting mentioned they're irrelevant. It's Brussels causing the problem.

It’s fairly clear that you don’t have a clue yet again what you are talking about

Yet again

Your fixation with Brussels is tiresome at this stage

All I'm doing is proposing solutions. Seems like so may people don't want to face reality.

How about we roll back Brexit and most people will be a lot happier - that is a more plausible solution

I note that whilst 41 Police persons have been injured in NI over the past 3 nights, the resumption of ‘the troubles’ isn’t enough for the loony right to say adhere to the GFA?

I so want NI to be peaceful, but it seems this is a price they are willing to pay! None of this is the fault of the EU, Boris reneged on the deal with Ireland & the EU (& the US). This is serious & too many people have been killed already It is difficult to see what relevance the GFA has to this scenario. It was drawn up 25 years ago when Brexit was not even being considered. Had the EU chosen to take a pragmatic approach to the border issue , the border issue would not have arisen. As things stand the current controls are making life more difficult for cross channel hauliers. Boris has never at any stage indicated that he wanted a border in Ireland. This appears to be an EU requirement. If anything? Boris has indicated his unconditional support for the people of Northern Ireland by supporting the structure of a floating bridge between Belfast and Scotland.

“Boris has shown his unconditional support for the people of NI supporting the structure of a floating bridge between Belfast and Scotland”

Boris has ludicrous idea and you think that equals support for the people of NI?

A floating bridge no less

You should read up on the sea conditions on the north channel nevermind the munitions dumped there

This proposed piece of lunacy would cost cost £20bn plus

And yet there’s no motorway between Belfast and Dublin on the NI side

There’s a cattle track between Derry and Belfast

The rail system is archaic in NI into the bargain

For £2bn you’d get a state of the art rail system that would serve the whole of NI,that’s a tenth of Boris back of an envelope proposal

Unconditional support my arse The journey from Belfast to Londonderry is 71 miles , of which at least 50 miles will either be motorway or dual carriageways by 2022. This is hardly what you describe as being a cattle track. The sections not yet upgraded are in less use and have where appropriate climbing lanes .

The tunnel or floating bridge between Belfast and NI has been discussed on a number of occasions. It may seem a ridiculous idea to some but the more progressive members of society prefer to move forwards and progress with modern technology. It would be a boost to the NI economy .

At least Boris Johnson and his government can think beyond the middle class elite of Islington and take into account the needs and concerns of every area of the UK.

Yet despite all this consideration people are criticising him for proposing what would be a fantastic engineering achievement.

This is a wind up right?

Surely no human would think wasting billions on a pointless tunnel is a good idea?

I pity your lack of imagination.

Channel Tunnel you probably nayed that as well.

Nuclear subs based in Faslane would only have a single route out to the Atlantic should this idiocy prevail. So on the one hand we have a tunnel below the biggest ammo dump in UK waters, or a floating tunnel above said ammo dump and nuclea subs - it will not happen. It is another ludicrous waste of time & money - it would be cheaper & easier to provide free ferries instead (which we have discussed before).

Yes we have discussed your misunderstanding of the concept of "free" before "

Instead of wasting £40bn plus on an idiotic tunnel that will inevitably leak, bring in a fleet of ferries and don’t charge people to use them. That should appeal to you - more traffic, easier to control and can be increased or decreased based on demand. A way better solution than a full tunnel, a floating tunnel or a bridge - at least this way the Royal Navy can still use the Irish Sea

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By *uliaChrisCouple  over a year ago

westerham


"And yet no one can explain why Europe suddenly wants a border at all. What practical purpose is served by it that wasn't the case since the fudge of the GFA?

Brussels couldn't just be playing politics could they?

It's perfectly clear we will just kick the can down the road until Brussels get tired of their own nonsense.

Excellent confusion. Some of your best work.

More of this kind of thing.

Yet you're unable to answer.

Makes you think doesn't it? What's the border for?

Are you asking why the EU has a customs border between themselves and the rest of the world?

Let me put it as simply as possible :

Why does the EU want a hard border with NI when it doesn't have one with Switzerland?

The EU has a specific arrangement with Switzerland that they negotiated together.

The UK is out, same as the rest of the world.

There can't be a hard border on the Island of Ireland, as per the GFA.

This was highlighted prior to the referendum and written off as "project fear".

I don't know what it is that you're pretending not to understand.

Yes, I think we all understand specific countries have negotiated specific agreements. Great.

My question is, last attempt, what PURPOSE is served by a hard border?

To control the movement of goods and people in and out of the EU.

But they've tolerated enormous scale drugs, alcohol and diesel smuggling across Ireland since 1994. Bit weird surely?

Yet another wild and baseless claim in relation to Ireland

The DUP were fully behind and supportive of the NI protocol despite everyone else on the Island of every political shade and hue warning them of the consequences,they didn’t listen.

The British Government negotiated and passed the protocol because bottom line NI is of little impact either politically or economically to the Tory Government.

And now it seems when the consequences become apparent to the DUP and there’s an shift in opinion polls or the likes of the TUV,they decide to fire up a few disaffected teenagers to attack the police

A majority in NI voted to stay in the EU

And something that’s often overlooked also,there are more foreign born people on the island of ireland than there are now Unionists who constitute 13/14% of the population of this island.

Don't know why the DUP keeps getting mentioned they're irrelevant. It's Brussels causing the problem.

It’s fairly clear that you don’t have a clue yet again what you are talking about

Yet again

Your fixation with Brussels is tiresome at this stage

All I'm doing is proposing solutions. Seems like so may people don't want to face reality.

How about we roll back Brexit and most people will be a lot happier - that is a more plausible solution

I note that whilst 41 Police persons have been injured in NI over the past 3 nights, the resumption of ‘the troubles’ isn’t enough for the loony right to say adhere to the GFA?

I so want NI to be peaceful, but it seems this is a price they are willing to pay! None of this is the fault of the EU, Boris reneged on the deal with Ireland & the EU (& the US). This is serious & too many people have been killed already It is difficult to see what relevance the GFA has to this scenario. It was drawn up 25 years ago when Brexit was not even being considered. Had the EU chosen to take a pragmatic approach to the border issue , the border issue would not have arisen. As things stand the current controls are making life more difficult for cross channel hauliers. Boris has never at any stage indicated that he wanted a border in Ireland. This appears to be an EU requirement. If anything? Boris has indicated his unconditional support for the people of Northern Ireland by supporting the structure of a floating bridge between Belfast and Scotland.

“Boris has shown his unconditional support for the people of NI supporting the structure of a floating bridge between Belfast and Scotland”

Boris has ludicrous idea and you think that equals support for the people of NI?

A floating bridge no less

You should read up on the sea conditions on the north channel nevermind the munitions dumped there

This proposed piece of lunacy would cost cost £20bn plus

And yet there’s no motorway between Belfast and Dublin on the NI side

There’s a cattle track between Derry and Belfast

The rail system is archaic in NI into the bargain

For £2bn you’d get a state of the art rail system that would serve the whole of NI,that’s a tenth of Boris back of an envelope proposal

Unconditional support my arse The journey from Belfast to Londonderry is 71 miles , of which at least 50 miles will either be motorway or dual carriageways by 2022. This is hardly what you describe as being a cattle track. The sections not yet upgraded are in less use and have where appropriate climbing lanes .

The tunnel or floating bridge between Belfast and NI has been discussed on a number of occasions. It may seem a ridiculous idea to some but the more progressive members of society prefer to move forwards and progress with modern technology. It would be a boost to the NI economy .

At least Boris Johnson and his government can think beyond the middle class elite of Islington and take into account the needs and concerns of every area of the UK.

Yet despite all this consideration people are criticising him for proposing what would be a fantastic engineering achievement.

This is a wind up right?

Surely no human would think wasting billions on a pointless tunnel is a good idea?

I pity your lack of imagination.

Channel Tunnel you probably nayed that as well.

Nuclear subs based in Faslane would only have a single route out to the Atlantic should this idiocy prevail. So on the one hand we have a tunnel below the biggest ammo dump in UK waters, or a floating tunnel above said ammo dump and nuclea subs - it will not happen. It is another ludicrous waste of time & money - it would be cheaper & easier to provide free ferries instead (which we have discussed before).

Yes we have discussed your misunderstanding of the concept of "free" before

Instead of wasting £40bn plus on an idiotic tunnel that will inevitably leak, bring in a fleet of ferries and don’t charge people to use them. That should appeal to you - more traffic, easier to control and can be increased or decreased based on demand. A way better solution than a full tunnel, a floating tunnel or a bridge - at least this way the Royal Navy can still use the Irish Sea "

Maybe you ought to tell Sweden and Macau that their new submerged tunnels are going to leak before they have a disaster.

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By *ethnmelvCouple  over a year ago

Chudleigh


"And yet no one can explain why Europe suddenly wants a border at all. What practical purpose is served by it that wasn't the case since the fudge of the GFA?

Brussels couldn't just be playing politics could they?

It's perfectly clear we will just kick the can down the road until Brussels get tired of their own nonsense.

Excellent confusion. Some of your best work.

More of this kind of thing.

Yet you're unable to answer.

Makes you think doesn't it? What's the border for?

Are you asking why the EU has a customs border between themselves and the rest of the world?

Let me put it as simply as possible :

Why does the EU want a hard border with NI when it doesn't have one with Switzerland?

The EU has a specific arrangement with Switzerland that they negotiated together.

The UK is out, same as the rest of the world.

There can't be a hard border on the Island of Ireland, as per the GFA.

This was highlighted prior to the referendum and written off as "project fear".

I don't know what it is that you're pretending not to understand.

Yes, I think we all understand specific countries have negotiated specific agreements. Great.

My question is, last attempt, what PURPOSE is served by a hard border?

To control the movement of goods and people in and out of the EU.

But they've tolerated enormous scale drugs, alcohol and diesel smuggling across Ireland since 1994. Bit weird surely?

Yet another wild and baseless claim in relation to Ireland

The DUP were fully behind and supportive of the NI protocol despite everyone else on the Island of every political shade and hue warning them of the consequences,they didn’t listen.

The British Government negotiated and passed the protocol because bottom line NI is of little impact either politically or economically to the Tory Government.

And now it seems when the consequences become apparent to the DUP and there’s an shift in opinion polls or the likes of the TUV,they decide to fire up a few disaffected teenagers to attack the police

A majority in NI voted to stay in the EU

And something that’s often overlooked also,there are more foreign born people on the island of ireland than there are now Unionists who constitute 13/14% of the population of this island.

Don't know why the DUP keeps getting mentioned they're irrelevant. It's Brussels causing the problem.

It’s fairly clear that you don’t have a clue yet again what you are talking about

Yet again

Your fixation with Brussels is tiresome at this stage

All I'm doing is proposing solutions. Seems like so may people don't want to face reality.

How about we roll back Brexit and most people will be a lot happier - that is a more plausible solution

I note that whilst 41 Police persons have been injured in NI over the past 3 nights, the resumption of ‘the troubles’ isn’t enough for the loony right to say adhere to the GFA?

I so want NI to be peaceful, but it seems this is a price they are willing to pay! None of this is the fault of the EU, Boris reneged on the deal with Ireland & the EU (& the US). This is serious & too many people have been killed already It is difficult to see what relevance the GFA has to this scenario. It was drawn up 25 years ago when Brexit was not even being considered. Had the EU chosen to take a pragmatic approach to the border issue , the border issue would not have arisen. As things stand the current controls are making life more difficult for cross channel hauliers. Boris has never at any stage indicated that he wanted a border in Ireland. This appears to be an EU requirement. If anything? Boris has indicated his unconditional support for the people of Northern Ireland by supporting the structure of a floating bridge between Belfast and Scotland.

“Boris has shown his unconditional support for the people of NI supporting the structure of a floating bridge between Belfast and Scotland”

Boris has ludicrous idea and you think that equals support for the people of NI?

A floating bridge no less

You should read up on the sea conditions on the north channel nevermind the munitions dumped there

This proposed piece of lunacy would cost cost £20bn plus

And yet there’s no motorway between Belfast and Dublin on the NI side

There’s a cattle track between Derry and Belfast

The rail system is archaic in NI into the bargain

For £2bn you’d get a state of the art rail system that would serve the whole of NI,that’s a tenth of Boris back of an envelope proposal

Unconditional support my arse The journey from Belfast to Londonderry is 71 miles , of which at least 50 miles will either be motorway or dual carriageways by 2022. This is hardly what you describe as being a cattle track. The sections not yet upgraded are in less use and have where appropriate climbing lanes .

The tunnel or floating bridge between Belfast and NI has been discussed on a number of occasions. It may seem a ridiculous idea to some but the more progressive members of society prefer to move forwards and progress with modern technology. It would be a boost to the NI economy .

At least Boris Johnson and his government can think beyond the middle class elite of Islington and take into account the needs and concerns of every area of the UK.

Yet despite all this consideration people are criticising him for proposing what would be a fantastic engineering achievement.

This is a wind up right?

Surely no human would think wasting billions on a pointless tunnel is a good idea?

I pity your lack of imagination.

Channel Tunnel you probably nayed that as well.

Nuclear subs based in Faslane would only have a single route out to the Atlantic should this idiocy prevail. So on the one hand we have a tunnel below the biggest ammo dump in UK waters, or a floating tunnel above said ammo dump and nuclea subs - it will not happen. It is another ludicrous waste of time & money - it would be cheaper & easier to provide free ferries instead (which we have discussed before).

Yes we have discussed your misunderstanding of the concept of "free" before

Instead of wasting £40bn plus on an idiotic tunnel that will inevitably leak, bring in a fleet of ferries and don’t charge people to use them. That should appeal to you - more traffic, easier to control and can be increased or decreased based on demand. A way better solution than a full tunnel, a floating tunnel or a bridge - at least this way the Royal Navy can still use the Irish Sea

Maybe you ought to tell Sweden and Macau that their new submerged tunnels are going to leak before they have a disaster. "

Do they have fleets of nuclear submarines needing to go past them? Have a look at the depth contours and the options for the RN, it is a complete non starter.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"And yet no one can explain why Europe suddenly wants a border at all. What practical purpose is served by it that wasn't the case since the fudge of the GFA?

Brussels couldn't just be playing politics could they?

It's perfectly clear we will just kick the can down the road until Brussels get tired of their own nonsense.

Excellent confusion. Some of your best work.

More of this kind of thing.

Yet you're unable to answer.

Makes you think doesn't it? What's the border for?

Are you asking why the EU has a customs border between themselves and the rest of the world?

Let me put it as simply as possible :

Why does the EU want a hard border with NI when it doesn't have one with Switzerland?

The EU has a specific arrangement with Switzerland that they negotiated together.

The UK is out, same as the rest of the world.

There can't be a hard border on the Island of Ireland, as per the GFA.

This was highlighted prior to the referendum and written off as "project fear".

I don't know what it is that you're pretending not to understand.

Yes, I think we all understand specific countries have negotiated specific agreements. Great.

My question is, last attempt, what PURPOSE is served by a hard border?

To control the movement of goods and people in and out of the EU.

But they've tolerated enormous scale drugs, alcohol and diesel smuggling across Ireland since 1994. Bit weird surely?

Yet another wild and baseless claim in relation to Ireland

The DUP were fully behind and supportive of the NI protocol despite everyone else on the Island of every political shade and hue warning them of the consequences,they didn’t listen.

The British Government negotiated and passed the protocol because bottom line NI is of little impact either politically or economically to the Tory Government.

And now it seems when the consequences become apparent to the DUP and there’s an shift in opinion polls or the likes of the TUV,they decide to fire up a few disaffected teenagers to attack the police

A majority in NI voted to stay in the EU

And something that’s often overlooked also,there are more foreign born people on the island of ireland than there are now Unionists who constitute 13/14% of the population of this island.

Don't know why the DUP keeps getting mentioned they're irrelevant. It's Brussels causing the problem.

It’s fairly clear that you don’t have a clue yet again what you are talking about

Yet again

Your fixation with Brussels is tiresome at this stage

All I'm doing is proposing solutions. Seems like so may people don't want to face reality.

How about we roll back Brexit and most people will be a lot happier - that is a more plausible solution

I note that whilst 41 Police persons have been injured in NI over the past 3 nights, the resumption of ‘the troubles’ isn’t enough for the loony right to say adhere to the GFA?

I so want NI to be peaceful, but it seems this is a price they are willing to pay! None of this is the fault of the EU, Boris reneged on the deal with Ireland & the EU (& the US). This is serious & too many people have been killed already It is difficult to see what relevance the GFA has to this scenario. It was drawn up 25 years ago when Brexit was not even being considered. Had the EU chosen to take a pragmatic approach to the border issue , the border issue would not have arisen. As things stand the current controls are making life more difficult for cross channel hauliers. Boris has never at any stage indicated that he wanted a border in Ireland. This appears to be an EU requirement. If anything? Boris has indicated his unconditional support for the people of Northern Ireland by supporting the structure of a floating bridge between Belfast and Scotland.

“Boris has shown his unconditional support for the people of NI supporting the structure of a floating bridge between Belfast and Scotland”

Boris has ludicrous idea and you think that equals support for the people of NI?

A floating bridge no less

You should read up on the sea conditions on the north channel nevermind the munitions dumped there

This proposed piece of lunacy would cost cost £20bn plus

And yet there’s no motorway between Belfast and Dublin on the NI side

There’s a cattle track between Derry and Belfast

The rail system is archaic in NI into the bargain

For £2bn you’d get a state of the art rail system that would serve the whole of NI,that’s a tenth of Boris back of an envelope proposal

Unconditional support my arse The journey from Belfast to Londonderry is 71 miles , of which at least 50 miles will either be motorway or dual carriageways by 2022. This is hardly what you describe as being a cattle track. The sections not yet upgraded are in less use and have where appropriate climbing lanes .

The tunnel or floating bridge between Belfast and NI has been discussed on a number of occasions. It may seem a ridiculous idea to some but the more progressive members of society prefer to move forwards and progress with modern technology. It would be a boost to the NI economy .

At least Boris Johnson and his government can think beyond the middle class elite of Islington and take into account the needs and concerns of every area of the UK.

Yet despite all this consideration people are criticising him for proposing what would be a fantastic engineering achievement.

This is a wind up right?

Surely no human would think wasting billions on a pointless tunnel is a good idea?

I pity your lack of imagination.

Channel Tunnel you probably nayed that as well.

Nuclear subs based in Faslane would only have a single route out to the Atlantic should this idiocy prevail. So on the one hand we have a tunnel below the biggest ammo dump in UK waters, or a floating tunnel above said ammo dump and nuclea subs - it will not happen. It is another ludicrous waste of time & money - it would be cheaper & easier to provide free ferries instead (which we have discussed before).

Yes we have discussed your misunderstanding of the concept of "free" before

Instead of wasting £40bn plus on an idiotic tunnel that will inevitably leak, bring in a fleet of ferries and don’t charge people to use them. That should appeal to you - more traffic, easier to control and can be increased or decreased based on demand. A way better solution than a full tunnel, a floating tunnel or a bridge - at least this way the Royal Navy can still use the Irish Sea

Maybe you ought to tell Sweden and Macau that their new submerged tunnels are going to leak before they have a disaster. "

Maybe you should get them in to clear the area of the WW2 munitions which was dumped there

Theres also no actual record of what was actually dumped there

And there’s also the slight engineering problem of the sea bed being 300m deep in places

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By *uliaChrisCouple  over a year ago

westerham

Meanwhile, back on planet earth, the "free ferry" option looks worse and worse re submarines:

"A ferry carrying hundreds of passengers narrowly avoided smashing into a British nuclear-powered submarine killing many and sparking a maritime disaster.

A ferry officer spotted the nuke sub's periscope at the last minute and took action to avoid the collision in the Irish Sea two years ago, an investigation has discovered.

The near-disaster happened in 2018 but the results of a two year probe into what could have been the worst sea disaster to hit Ireland and the UK in many years was released only last night."

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By *uliaChrisCouple  over a year ago

westerham

Oh and er, 287m deep was achieved a few years ago:

"The 7,765m long Eiksund road tunnel is, to date, the world’s deepest undersea tunnel, reaching a depth of 287m below mean sea level at its deepest point."

You'll find I'm usually right about this stuff

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Oh and er, 287m deep was achieved a few years ago:

"The 7,765m long Eiksund road tunnel is, to date, the world’s deepest undersea tunnel, reaching a depth of 287m below mean sea level at its deepest point."

You'll find I'm usually right about this stuff "

And the munitions

How do you propose to clear them?

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By *uliaChrisCouple  over a year ago

westerham


"Oh and er, 287m deep was achieved a few years ago:

"The 7,765m long Eiksund road tunnel is, to date, the world’s deepest undersea tunnel, reaching a depth of 287m below mean sea level at its deepest point."

You'll find I'm usually right about this stuff

And the munitions

How do you propose to clear them?"

The likely restriction was about drilling pilings for a bridge which was one of the earlier suggestions, the engineering assessment now is for a submerged tunnel as lots of other countries have done, which would not likely require such pilings, even if some are required they would be done as for the the Troll A Northsea platform, drilled and filled entirely remotely.

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS  over a year ago

Notts


"Meanwhile, back on planet earth, the "free ferry" option looks worse and worse re submarines:

"A ferry carrying hundreds of passengers narrowly avoided smashing into a British nuclear-powered submarine killing many and sparking a maritime disaster.

A ferry officer spotted the nuke sub's periscope at the last minute and took action to avoid the collision in the Irish Sea two years ago, an investigation has discovered.

The near-disaster happened in 2018 but the results of a two year probe into what could have been the worst sea disaster to hit Ireland and the UK in many years was released only last night.""

shouldnt the ferries have sails? we dont want to pollute the planet... think about the badgers.... sorry... just saying lol

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By *aid backMan  over a year ago

by a lake with my rod out

Im just wondering why the army haven't shot and injured with rubber bullets these rioters ? Isn't that the normal response or is that just for nationalist ?

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By *estivalMan  over a year ago

borehamwood

Are the army still there?? I thought it was the old bill who do the policing now

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By *oo hotCouple  over a year ago

North West


"Are the army still there?? I thought it was the old bill who do the policing now"

There are barracks in N Ireland but there is little chance at the moment of them being called out. That would be an action of absolute last resort because the repercussions would be catastrophic.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Are the army still there?? I thought it was the old bill who do the policing now"

There are approximately 5000 troops garrisoned here though they are largely non-operational.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I can guarantee OP that the youngsters out on the streets would read the majority of what's been posted here and ask wtf they're going on about.

Way back up there Jubal hit the nail on the head. And the catalyst for it kicking off now was the recent decision by the PPS not to prosecute anyone in relation to breaches of covid regs at the funeral of IRA man Bobby Storey last year, which included prominent members of Sinn Fein and most notably our deputy First Minister Michelle O'Neill.

The ones out on the streets are nothing but wee scrotes who are being egged on by people who should no better.

They are also in the minority. Most of us here think they're wee dicks who should be dragged home by the scruff of their necks by their ma. It'll die down - everyone's back to school next week.

Cant really say its that alone .

The parties & March along the Shankhill for 55

By The Blue noses from Glasgow . You cant be inicking or prosecuting for funerals & not be knicking & prosecuting

A football club winning a title for the 1st time in 10 years .

https://youtu.be/p57nxG2z_us

I didn't say it was that alone, as I already referred to Jubal's post further up the thread. I said the catalyst now was the PPS decision. Given that the majority of the current trouble is taking place in loyalist areas, I can assure you that they're not rioting because the police failed to arrest anyone for celebrating Rangers winning the title And the irony will be totally lost on them because everything here is partisan. They will justify it by saying "Well if Michelle O'Neill was able to breach the guidelines last June without any apology and comeback, then we can breach the guidelines too" because that's what it's like here. And those fires are being stoked left, right and centre. People with influence from the top down are rolling the snowballs and handing them to the wee millies to fire for them.

"

You really font need to tell me what its like

I was born in Belfast , i know what its like .

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Then you'll know they aren't rioting because the police didn't arrest anyone for celebrating Rangers' title win.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Then you'll know they aren't rioting because the police didn't arrest anyone for celebrating Rangers' title win.

"

I never said they were .

I said you cant call for arrests because some people went to a funeral & not call for arrests of people who went out celebrating a football team from another country celebrating .

Double standards .

For Big Arlene to be calling out Michelle O'Neill & ignoring

Those who celebrated 55 is a typical D.U.P response .

It wasnt us who did things wrong It was them .

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Oh I totally agree with you. It's the way it's always been...totally partisan. Them 'uns and whataboutery.

I doubt the wee lads out on the streets have much nous at all about anything. They're out doing the dirty work for those intent on creating trouble. Wee boys easy to rile up, nothing better to do with themselves and parents that don't give a flying fook where they are or what they're doing.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Oh I totally agree with you. It's the way it's always been...totally partisan. Them 'uns and whataboutery.

I doubt the wee lads out on the streets have much nous at all about anything. They're out doing the dirty work for those intent on creating trouble. Wee boys easy to rile up, nothing better to do with themselves and parents that don't give a flying fook where they are or what they're doing.

"

The Real problem is that in Britain

Nobody really cares , if they are told to hate the

Catholic Nationalists they will ,

If now they get told to hate the Protestant Unionists

They will .

Unfortunately people there have known this for far too long

Just as unfortunate is that People here in General

Dont care Either .

They might claim too, but really they dont .

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Oh I totally agree with you. It's the way it's always been...totally partisan. Them 'uns and whataboutery.

I doubt the wee lads out on the streets have much nous at all about anything. They're out doing the dirty work for those intent on creating trouble. Wee boys easy to rile up, nothing better to do with themselves and parents that don't give a flying fook where they are or what they're doing.

The Real problem is that in Britain

Nobody really cares , if they are told to hate the

Catholic Nationalists they will ,

If now they get told to hate the Protestant Unionists

They will .

Unfortunately people there have known this for far too long

Just as unfortunate is that People here in General

Dont care Either .

They might claim too, but really they dont ."

We're agreed on that too

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