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So local hauler Edmundson of Preston on local news says “ can’t go to continent anymore to much paperwork n hassle “
Ah ha I hear the remoners say
But he goes on to say “ I’ve picked up loads of work in the uk because not so many foreign lorries coming in full of cheap desiel and undercutting me ,
So over all Bussiness is up “
Grenada reports
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"I saw that sheerness are opening up a route to Calais (one sailing each way a day) for unaccompanied freight that will give more hauliers in the uk work. "
This is both due to less foreign trucks prepared to come to the U.K. Its also to do with new legislation on restricting hazardous cargoes travelling on Ro- pax ferries so freight only ships are needed. Both will be adding costs sadly.
Another downside is there is a lack of HGV drivers in the U.K. and that’s not a quick fix as the younger generation are not interested in pissing in lay byes at night. |
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So younger drivers need to pass class 3 one year driving class 2 one year driving then take class 1 hgv
Nothing to do with not wanting to piss in lay-bys
The benefits are demand for drivers equals pay increases no cheap foreign drivers willing to work off the books for cash in hand
Got to be a benefit
Say wat you guys ???
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"So younger drivers need to pass class 3 one year driving class 2 one year driving then take class 1 hgv
Nothing to do with not wanting to piss in lay-bys
The benefits are demand for drivers equals pay increases no cheap foreign drivers willing to work off the books for cash in hand
Got to be a benefit
Say wat you guys ???
"
HGV drivers have not seen any substantial pay rise in years due to the influx of cheap foreign drivers. |
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"So younger drivers need to pass class 3 one year driving class 2 one year driving then take class 1 hgv
Nothing to do with not wanting to piss in lay-bys
The benefits are demand for drivers equals pay increases no cheap foreign drivers willing to work off the books for cash in hand
Got to be a benefit
Say wat you guys ???
HGV drivers have not seen any substantial pay rise in years due to the influx of cheap foreign drivers."
Still waiting for the 3 musketeers |
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By *rRightlyMan
over a year ago
Near Brexit dreamer |
I didn't understand half of the things you said, because of your poor english language, but I think I get the main point.
In general the increase in salary is good for the low skilled local truck drivers, but worse for the higher skilled workers. Who are those higher skilled and higher paid workers? Logistic specialists, planners, managers and so on. Reduction in the number of lower skilled jobs will affect the whole pyramid from the bottom. And who usually get the job of a salesman of new trucks, a manager of logistics operations and so on? Of course and english speaking brit.
A good example is in my country , there was a huge influx of Ukrainian low skilled workers, especially truck drivers. The local truck drivers werent happy, but it created so many more new office workplaces and so on. Even this year it is being forecast of a record number of new truck sales in the country. So yeah, local usually get to boss around those cheap workers, but now a logistics planner will have to go one step lower and become a lorry driver, because there is no one to boss around |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"So younger drivers need to pass class 3 one year driving class 2 one year driving then take class 1 hgv
Nothing to do with not wanting to piss in lay-bys
The benefits are demand for drivers equals pay increases no cheap foreign drivers willing to work off the books for cash in hand
Got to be a benefit
Say wat you guys ???
"
Just there is a shortage just shy of 50k drivers and the average age is over 50 so retiring more than recruiting .
It’s not an attractive career as the money isn’t great for the unsociable hours and if it rises too much yet more costs for consumers but that’s the way it’s going I agree . Now Eastern European drivers going home to factories in Eastern Europe so shortage getting worse .
Less and less facilities means less and less reasons to want to be a driver. |
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"I didn't understand half of the things you said, because of your poor english language, but I think I get the main point.
In general the increase in salary is good for the low skilled local truck drivers, but worse for the higher skilled workers. Who are those higher skilled and higher paid workers? Logistic specialists, planners, managers and so on. Reduction in the number of lower skilled jobs will affect the whole pyramid from the bottom. And who usually get the job of a salesman of new trucks, a manager of logistics operations and so on? Of course and english speaking brit.
A good example is in my country , there was a huge influx of Ukrainian low skilled workers, especially truck drivers. The local truck drivers werent happy, but it created so many more new office workplaces and so on. Even this year it is being forecast of a record number of new truck sales in the country. So yeah, local usually get to boss around those cheap workers, but now a logistics planner will have to go one step lower and become a lorry driver, because there is no one to boss around"
Simply nonsense
And you say my grasp of English is poor
Ps I’m dyslexic
By the way I’m an employer 10 staff
Drivers
Never employed anyone for cash
No one who is not a qualified driver will drive lorries
Your talking nonsense |
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By *rRightlyMan
over a year ago
Near Brexit dreamer |
"I didn't understand half of the things you said, because of your poor english language, but I think I get the main point.
In general the increase in salary is good for the low skilled local truck drivers, but worse for the higher skilled workers. Who are those higher skilled and higher paid workers? Logistic specialists, planners, managers and so on. Reduction in the number of lower skilled jobs will affect the whole pyramid from the bottom. And who usually get the job of a salesman of new trucks, a manager of logistics operations and so on? Of course and english speaking brit.
A good example is in my country , there was a huge influx of Ukrainian low skilled workers, especially truck drivers. The local truck drivers werent happy, but it created so many more new office workplaces and so on. Even this year it is being forecast of a record number of new truck sales in the country. So yeah, local usually get to boss around those cheap workers, but now a logistics planner will have to go one step lower and become a lorry driver, because there is no one to boss around
Simply nonsense
And you say my grasp of English is poor
Ps I’m dyslexic
By the way I’m an employer 10 staff
Drivers
Never employed anyone for cash
No one who is not a qualified driver will drive lorries
Your talking nonsense "
You are probably mixing things. I dont believe having a driver's qualification you become a high skilled worker. Maybe I just think so. But hey continue on this path, focus on low skilled workers and not the high paying jobs and we will see if it will be good for the country in the future |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"So younger drivers need to pass class 3 one year driving class 2 one year driving then take class 1 hgv
Nothing to do with not wanting to piss in lay-bys
The benefits are demand for drivers equals pay increases no cheap foreign drivers willing to work off the books for cash in hand
Got to be a benefit
Say wat you guys ???
HGV drivers have not seen any substantial pay rise in years due to the influx of cheap foreign drivers."
Rubbish the Eastern European’s were paid the same rates as U.K. drivers not cheaper and the shortage is due to the job not being popular. The astern Europeans bailed out hauliers who couldn’t recruit drivers . A lot of truck drivers prefer to drive vans or work in factories as no nights away from home . |
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By *rRightlyMan
over a year ago
Near Brexit dreamer |
"Why do you call a person who has past 4 driving test a low skilled person
Surly a professional driver is a skilled employee?"
I have a driver's license, but I dont call myself a professional race driver.
In general, the truck driver's are considered lower skilled workers, as this job is physically difficult and not that rewarding. Simple test, would a person rather choose to be a manager or a truck driver? |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"So younger drivers need to pass class 3 one year driving class 2 one year driving then take class 1 hgv
Nothing to do with not wanting to piss in lay-bys
The benefits are demand for drivers equals pay increases no cheap foreign drivers willing to work off the books for cash in hand
Got to be a benefit
Say wat you guys ???
"
What registered serious hauliers do you know who pay cash in hand ?
They would be shut down by the licensing authority . You’re maybe talking a small family business but not a serious business. |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"Why do you call a person who has past 4 driving test a low skilled person
Surly a professional driver is a skilled employee?
I have a driver's license, but I dont call myself a professional race driver.
In general, the truck driver's are considered lower skilled workers, as this job is physically difficult and not that rewarding. Simple test, would a person rather choose to be a manager or a truck driver? "
Think it’s classed semi skilled as you have to pass a test and take regular training updates but it’s only a title. |
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By *rRightlyMan
over a year ago
Near Brexit dreamer |
"So younger drivers need to pass class 3 one year driving class 2 one year driving then take class 1 hgv
Nothing to do with not wanting to piss in lay-bys
The benefits are demand for drivers equals pay increases no cheap foreign drivers willing to work off the books for cash in hand
Got to be a benefit
Say wat you guys ???
What registered serious hauliers do you know who pay cash in hand ?
They would be shut down by the licensing authority . You’re maybe talking a small family business but not a serious business. "
There are companies that try to avoid paying full salaries, as they use schemes like paying the driver in something like travel expenses and keeping the real salary on a minimum wage ( as travel expenses are taxed differently, the companies save a lot of money, but there are no taxes that go to driver's social security payments, pensions etc.).
But in general, it is still a great thing for the british to have Eastern Europeans to do the low skilled jobs, while the british take the higher paying jobs. Why try to change the system and focus on the low skilled jobs :D? |
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Not been hiding just had my tea
So
Pass car test with theory
Hgv 3
Theory test , driving test
Class 2 driving test
Class 3
Theory and test
4 examinations
Average pay for class 1 drivers minimum £500 per week
Move on to petroleum tankers and as locally British nuclear fuels drivers best part of £1000 per week
More examinations due to loads delivered
40 hrs training over every 5 years
Then you have a local hauler I won’t name names but big concern who is in a contract to deliver on time deliveries at a set cost
I know for a fact turn up show can drive class 1 back up round yard hitch up
Ok
Take this wagon an trailer to London drop off pick up empty come back
Called trunking
Don’t tell me doesn’t happen because it does ! |
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By *rRightlyMan
over a year ago
Near Brexit dreamer |
"Not been hiding just had my tea
So
Pass car test with theory
Hgv 3
Theory test , driving test
Class 2 driving test
Class 3
Theory and test
4 examinations
Average pay for class 1 drivers minimum £500 per week
Move on to petroleum tankers and as locally British nuclear fuels drivers best part of £1000 per week
More examinations due to loads delivered
40 hrs training over every 5 years
Then you have a local hauler I won’t name names but big concern who is in a contract to deliver on time deliveries at a set cost
I know for a fact turn up show can drive class 1 back up round yard hitch up
Ok
Take this wagon an trailer to London drop off pick up empty come back
Called trunking
Don’t tell me doesn’t happen because it does !"
So? It doesnt matter. Im just saying truck driver is not a desirable job.
Garbage collector also gets shitloads of money, but you probably dont consider it a high skilled carrier? |
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And by the way any driver who’s self employed can turn up at yard and say I’ll do that job for £250.00
When an employee would have to be paid £500 for hours worked
Not so many here now saying they’ll do that |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"So younger drivers need to pass class 3 one year driving class 2 one year driving then take class 1 hgv
Nothing to do with not wanting to piss in lay-bys
The benefits are demand for drivers equals pay increases no cheap foreign drivers willing to work off the books for cash in hand
Got to be a benefit
Say wat you guys ???
HGV drivers have not seen any substantial pay rise in years due to the influx of cheap foreign drivers.
Rubbish the Eastern European’s were paid the same rates as U.K. drivers not cheaper and the shortage is due to the job not being popular. The astern Europeans bailed out hauliers who couldn’t recruit drivers . A lot of truck drivers prefer to drive vans or work in factories as no nights away from home . "
Simple maths of supply and demand the more you are needed the high pay you can command the big influx of foreign drivers kept the wages virtually at a standstill for years. |
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By *rRightlyMan
over a year ago
Near Brexit dreamer |
"And by the way any driver who’s self employed can turn up at yard and say I’ll do that job for £250.00
When an employee would have to be paid £500 for hours worked
Not so many here now saying they’ll do that "
So costs will be increasing? Businesses struggling and so on? But hey you can ask more as a truck driver, which is good for you? ( and bad for everybody else?) |
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So the garbage lorry driver is capable of taking his lorry around tight rear yards roads in between parked cars and down tight ally’s ect
An unskilled driver wouldn’t be able to do this
The loaders are I would say unskilled employees as the throw waste into the back of the lorry
However if the stop their work we’d all soon be shouting about garbage backing up on the highway ect |
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By *rRightlyMan
over a year ago
Near Brexit dreamer |
"So younger drivers need to pass class 3 one year driving class 2 one year driving then take class 1 hgv
Nothing to do with not wanting to piss in lay-bys
The benefits are demand for drivers equals pay increases no cheap foreign drivers willing to work off the books for cash in hand
Got to be a benefit
Say wat you guys ???
HGV drivers have not seen any substantial pay rise in years due to the influx of cheap foreign drivers.
Rubbish the Eastern European’s were paid the same rates as U.K. drivers not cheaper and the shortage is due to the job not being popular. The astern Europeans bailed out hauliers who couldn’t recruit drivers . A lot of truck drivers prefer to drive vans or work in factories as no nights away from home . Simple maths of supply and demand the more you are needed the high pay you can command the big influx of foreign drivers kept the wages virtually at a standstill for years. "
Was it bad as a whole for the country? |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"Not been hiding just had my tea
So
Pass car test with theory
Hgv 3
Theory test , driving test
Class 2 driving test
Class 3
Theory and test
4 examinations
Average pay for class 1 drivers minimum £500 per week
Move on to petroleum tankers and as locally British nuclear fuels drivers best part of £1000 per week
More examinations due to loads delivered
40 hrs training over every 5 years
Then you have a local hauler I won’t name names but big concern who is in a contract to deliver on time deliveries at a set cost
I know for a fact turn up show can drive class 1 back up round yard hitch up
Ok
Take this wagon an trailer to London drop off pick up empty come back
Called trunking
Don’t tell me doesn’t happen because it does !"
Mostly firemen  |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"And by the way any driver who’s self employed can turn up at yard and say I’ll do that job for £250.00
When an employee would have to be paid £500 for hours worked
Not so many here now saying they’ll do that "
He will have to move around a lot as HMRC will go after haulier for unpaid tax if he’s caught . |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"So younger drivers need to pass class 3 one year driving class 2 one year driving then take class 1 hgv
Nothing to do with not wanting to piss in lay-bys
The benefits are demand for drivers equals pay increases no cheap foreign drivers willing to work off the books for cash in hand
Got to be a benefit
Say wat you guys ???
HGV drivers have not seen any substantial pay rise in years due to the influx of cheap foreign drivers.
Rubbish the Eastern European’s were paid the same rates as U.K. drivers not cheaper and the shortage is due to the job not being popular. The astern Europeans bailed out hauliers who couldn’t recruit drivers . A lot of truck drivers prefer to drive vans or work in factories as no nights away from home . Simple maths of supply and demand the more you are needed the high pay you can command the big influx of foreign drivers kept the wages virtually at a standstill for years. "
Simply not true
There is a huge shortage and was even with Foreign drivers . The industry can’t afford better wages so they don’t pay them . |
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"And by the way any driver who’s self employed can turn up at yard and say I’ll do that job for £250.00
When an employee would have to be paid £500 for hours worked
Not so many here now saying they’ll do that
So costs will be increasing? Businesses struggling and so on? But hey you can ask more as a truck driver, which is good for you? ( and bad for everybody else?) "
It’s good for the drivers as they get increased wages
Bad for business?
How can it be good for business to have a drive to the cheapest for drivers
You only get what you pay for in life
So a self employed driver may over run his hrs no rest eat on the go
Seen many accidents from foreigners not following uk drivers regulations |
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By *rRightlyMan
over a year ago
Near Brexit dreamer |
"And by the way any driver who’s self employed can turn up at yard and say I’ll do that job for £250.00
When an employee would have to be paid £500 for hours worked
Not so many here now saying they’ll do that
So costs will be increasing? Businesses struggling and so on? But hey you can ask more as a truck driver, which is good for you? ( and bad for everybody else?)
It’s good for the drivers as they get increased wages
Bad for business?
How can it be good for business to have a drive to the cheapest for drivers
You only get what you pay for in life
So a self employed driver may over run his hrs no rest eat on the go
Seen many accidents from foreigners not following uk drivers regulations "
You just talk random stuff dont you ?
Look at the bigger picture and how it will impact the economy in the long term. And not go looking for some foreigners doing traffic accidents |
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Nonsense again
Self employed can charge what they won’t
A joiner could say I’ll build that shed for £ 100 + materials
A British employee would take 2/3 days to do same would need £80 a day minimum
Unless self employed then could charge less |
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"And by the way any driver who’s self employed can turn up at yard and say I’ll do that job for £250.00
When an employee would have to be paid £500 for hours worked
Not so many here now saying they’ll do that
So costs will be increasing? Businesses struggling and so on? But hey you can ask more as a truck driver, which is good for you? ( and bad for everybody else?)
It’s good for the drivers as they get increased wages
Bad for business?
How can it be good for business to have a drive to the cheapest for drivers
You only get what you pay for in life
So a self employed driver may over run his hrs no rest eat on the go
Seen many accidents from foreigners not following uk drivers regulations
You just talk random stuff dont you ?
Look at the bigger picture and how it will impact the economy in the long term. And not go looking for some foreigners doing traffic accidents "
So in the long term as the hauler stated on granada news per my opening statement
I don’t do so much European work but have picked up a lot of British work as not so may foreigners coming over with cheap diesel and low wages
So in the long term that looks positive? |
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By *rRightlyMan
over a year ago
Near Brexit dreamer |
"And by the way any driver who’s self employed can turn up at yard and say I’ll do that job for £250.00
When an employee would have to be paid £500 for hours worked
Not so many here now saying they’ll do that
So costs will be increasing? Businesses struggling and so on? But hey you can ask more as a truck driver, which is good for you? ( and bad for everybody else?)
It’s good for the drivers as they get increased wages
Bad for business?
How can it be good for business to have a drive to the cheapest for drivers
You only get what you pay for in life
So a self employed driver may over run his hrs no rest eat on the go
Seen many accidents from foreigners not following uk drivers regulations
You just talk random stuff dont you ?
Look at the bigger picture and how it will impact the economy in the long term. And not go looking for some foreigners doing traffic accidents
So in the long term as the hauler stated on granada news per my opening statement
I don’t do so much European work but have picked up a lot of British work as not so may foreigners coming over with cheap diesel and low wages
So in the long term that looks positive?"
Again, you only looking and yourself and truck drivers only and we are talking about country and brexit as a whole. You dont really look past your nose, do you? |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"And by the way any driver who’s self employed can turn up at yard and say I’ll do that job for £250.00
When an employee would have to be paid £500 for hours worked
Not so many here now saying they’ll do that
So costs will be increasing? Businesses struggling and so on? But hey you can ask more as a truck driver, which is good for you? ( and bad for everybody else?)
It’s good for the drivers as they get increased wages
Bad for business?
How can it be good for business to have a drive to the cheapest for drivers
You only get what you pay for in life
So a self employed driver may over run his hrs no rest eat on the go
Seen many accidents from foreigners not following uk drivers regulations
You just talk random stuff dont you ?
Look at the bigger picture and how it will impact the economy in the long term. And not go looking for some foreigners doing traffic accidents
So in the long term as the hauler stated on granada news per my opening statement
I don’t do so much European work but have picked up a lot of British work as not so may foreigners coming over with cheap diesel and low wages
So in the long term that looks positive?"
He’s probably benefiting from the lack of Irish trucks as the Manx owners are not international carriers just U.K. and isle of man. Interesting how he can’t do international due to paperwork . Must be a Brexit benefit for our international hauliers eh! |
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"And by the way any driver who’s self employed can turn up at yard and say I’ll do that job for £250.00
When an employee would have to be paid £500 for hours worked
Not so many here now saying they’ll do that
So costs will be increasing? Businesses struggling and so on? But hey you can ask more as a truck driver, which is good for you? ( and bad for everybody else?)
It’s good for the drivers as they get increased wages
Bad for business?
How can it be good for business to have a drive to the cheapest for drivers
You only get what you pay for in life
So a self employed driver may over run his hrs no rest eat on the go
Seen many accidents from foreigners not following uk drivers regulations
You just talk random stuff dont you ?
Look at the bigger picture and how it will impact the economy in the long term. And not go looking for some foreigners doing traffic accidents
So in the long term as the hauler stated on granada news per my opening statement
I don’t do so much European work but have picked up a lot of British work as not so may foreigners coming over with cheap diesel and low wages
So in the long term that looks positive?
He’s probably benefiting from the lack of Irish trucks as the Manx owners are not international carriers just U.K. and isle of man. Interesting how he can’t do international due to paperwork . Must be a Brexit benefit for our international hauliers eh! "
That’s what he said google Granada news I’m not making it up
Less European work but much more uk work over all he’s on a winner |
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"And by the way any driver who’s self employed can turn up at yard and say I’ll do that job for £250.00
When an employee would have to be paid £500 for hours worked
Not so many here now saying they’ll do that
So costs will be increasing? Businesses struggling and so on? But hey you can ask more as a truck driver, which is good for you? ( and bad for everybody else?)
It’s good for the drivers as they get increased wages
Bad for business?
How can it be good for business to have a drive to the cheapest for drivers
You only get what you pay for in life
So a self employed driver may over run his hrs no rest eat on the go
Seen many accidents from foreigners not following uk drivers regulations
You just talk random stuff dont you ?
Look at the bigger picture and how it will impact the economy in the long term. And not go looking for some foreigners doing traffic accidents
So in the long term as the hauler stated on granada news per my opening statement
I don’t do so much European work but have picked up a lot of British work as not so may foreigners coming over with cheap diesel and low wages
So in the long term that looks positive?
Again, you only looking and yourself and truck drivers only and we are talking about country and brexit as a whole. You dont really look past your nose, do you? "
So as for me I pay the going rate for drivers who are qualified and trained
As for the country as a whole......
People being paid a reasonable rate for working
Can spend said money in the local economy
So for every £1 spent locally 85p is recycled around the local economy
As for every £1 given to a European to send 70p home only leave 30p to spend in uk then you have all cost to extract from this leaves coppers for uk to recycle
So again you have no argument
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"So the 3 remoaners no where to be seen and everyone else no argument?
I’d say Brexit a winner
A U.K. haulier moving stuff around the U.K. is a Brexit win?? How exactly?? "
Because it’s not a foreign hauler using cheap diesel from the continent who pays no uk tax on it or on his wages
Surely you can understand that ? |
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By *rRightlyMan
over a year ago
Near Brexit dreamer |
"And by the way any driver who’s self employed can turn up at yard and say I’ll do that job for £250.00
When an employee would have to be paid £500 for hours worked
Not so many here now saying they’ll do that
So costs will be increasing? Businesses struggling and so on? But hey you can ask more as a truck driver, which is good for you? ( and bad for everybody else?)
It’s good for the drivers as they get increased wages
Bad for business?
How can it be good for business to have a drive to the cheapest for drivers
You only get what you pay for in life
So a self employed driver may over run his hrs no rest eat on the go
Seen many accidents from foreigners not following uk drivers regulations
You just talk random stuff dont you ?
Look at the bigger picture and how it will impact the economy in the long term. And not go looking for some foreigners doing traffic accidents
So in the long term as the hauler stated on granada news per my opening statement
I don’t do so much European work but have picked up a lot of British work as not so may foreigners coming over with cheap diesel and low wages
So in the long term that looks positive?
Again, you only looking and yourself and truck drivers only and we are talking about country and brexit as a whole. You dont really look past your nose, do you?
So as for me I pay the going rate for drivers who are qualified and trained
As for the country as a whole......
People being paid a reasonable rate for working
Can spend said money in the local economy
So for every £1 spent locally 85p is recycled around the local economy
As for every £1 given to a European to send 70p home only leave 30p to spend in uk then you have all cost to extract from this leaves coppers for uk to recycle
So again you have no argument
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"And by the way any driver who’s self employed can turn up at yard and say I’ll do that job for £250.00
When an employee would have to be paid £500 for hours worked
Not so many here now saying they’ll do that
So costs will be increasing? Businesses struggling and so on? But hey you can ask more as a truck driver, which is good for you? ( and bad for everybody else?)
It’s good for the drivers as they get increased wages
Bad for business?
How can it be good for business to have a drive to the cheapest for drivers
You only get what you pay for in life
So a self employed driver may over run his hrs no rest eat on the go
Seen many accidents from foreigners not following uk drivers regulations
You just talk random stuff dont you ?
Look at the bigger picture and how it will impact the economy in the long term. And not go looking for some foreigners doing traffic accidents
So in the long term as the hauler stated on granada news per my opening statement
I don’t do so much European work but have picked up a lot of British work as not so may foreigners coming over with cheap diesel and low wages
So in the long term that looks positive?
Again, you only looking and yourself and truck drivers only and we are talking about country and brexit as a whole. You dont really look past your nose, do you?
So as for me I pay the going rate for drivers who are qualified and trained
As for the country as a whole......
People being paid a reasonable rate for working
Can spend said money in the local economy
So for every £1 spent locally 85p is recycled around the local economy
As for every £1 given to a European to send 70p home only leave 30p to spend in uk then you have all cost to extract from this leaves coppers for uk to recycle
So again you have no argument
"
You do know U.K. hauliers spend money abroad and on ferries too?
Your argument is great for U.K. only business but adds cost for exporters so loses money and jobs in the U.K. in the long run.
It’s the economics of export and import.
Good there are less foreign trucks running in the U.K. for domestic traffic but given they don’t do much of that it’s of no consequence.
U.K. hauliers can’t compete on exports due to market imbalance . But don’t let reality get in the way of theory. |
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"And by the way any driver who’s self employed can turn up at yard and say I’ll do that job for £250.00
When an employee would have to be paid £500 for hours worked
Not so many here now saying they’ll do that
So costs will be increasing? Businesses struggling and so on? But hey you can ask more as a truck driver, which is good for you? ( and bad for everybody else?)
It’s good for the drivers as they get increased wages
Bad for business?
How can it be good for business to have a drive to the cheapest for drivers
You only get what you pay for in life
So a self employed driver may over run his hrs no rest eat on the go
Seen many accidents from foreigners not following uk drivers regulations
You just talk random stuff dont you ?
Look at the bigger picture and how it will impact the economy in the long term. And not go looking for some foreigners doing traffic accidents
So in the long term as the hauler stated on granada news per my opening statement
I don’t do so much European work but have picked up a lot of British work as not so may foreigners coming over with cheap diesel and low wages
So in the long term that looks positive?
Again, you only looking and yourself and truck drivers only and we are talking about country and brexit as a whole. You dont really look past your nose, do you?
So as for me I pay the going rate for drivers who are qualified and trained
As for the country as a whole......
People being paid a reasonable rate for working
Can spend said money in the local economy
So for every £1 spent locally 85p is recycled around the local economy
As for every £1 given to a European to send 70p home only leave 30p to spend in uk then you have all cost to extract from this leaves coppers for uk to recycle
So again you have no argument
You do know U.K. hauliers spend money abroad and on ferries too?
Your argument is great for U.K. only business but adds cost for exporters so loses money and jobs in the U.K. in the long run.
It’s the economics of export and import.
Good there are less foreign trucks running in the U.K. for domestic traffic but given they don’t do much of that it’s of no consequence.
U.K. hauliers can’t compete on exports due to market imbalance . But don’t let reality get in the way of theory. "
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"So the 3 remoaners no where to be seen and everyone else no argument?
I’d say Brexit a winner
A U.K. haulier moving stuff around the U.K. is a Brexit win?? How exactly??
Because it’s not a foreign hauler using cheap diesel from the continent who pays no uk tax on it or on his wages
Surely you can understand that ?"
Cabotage business in the U.K. is minute. compared to international work so diesel savings are very limited indeed. And all hauliers pay to use U.K. roads including foreign hauliers via the U.K. vignette so they contribute the same road tax. .
The U.K. can’t supply export hauliers so to go unaccompanied from U.K. ports will cost more resulting in lower exports and costlier imports.
U.K. business will suffer.
We need the foreign hauliers to export due to our imbalance of trade. Reality trumps dreams every day!
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"And by the way any driver who’s self employed can turn up at yard and say I’ll do that job for £250.00
When an employee would have to be paid £500 for hours worked
Not so many here now saying they’ll do that
So costs will be increasing? Businesses struggling and so on? But hey you can ask more as a truck driver, which is good for you? ( and bad for everybody else?)
It’s good for the drivers as they get increased wages
Bad for business?
How can it be good for business to have a drive to the cheapest for drivers
You only get what you pay for in life
So a self employed driver may over run his hrs no rest eat on the go
Seen many accidents from foreigners not following uk drivers regulations
You just talk random stuff dont you ?
Look at the bigger picture and how it will impact the economy in the long term. And not go looking for some foreigners doing traffic accidents
So in the long term as the hauler stated on granada news per my opening statement
I don’t do so much European work but have picked up a lot of British work as not so may foreigners coming over with cheap diesel and low wages
So in the long term that looks positive?
Again, you only looking and yourself and truck drivers only and we are talking about country and brexit as a whole. You dont really look past your nose, do you?
So as for me I pay the going rate for drivers who are qualified and trained
As for the country as a whole......
People being paid a reasonable rate for working
Can spend said money in the local economy
So for every £1 spent locally 85p is recycled around the local economy
As for every £1 given to a European to send 70p home only leave 30p to spend in uk then you have all cost to extract from this leaves coppers for uk to recycle
So again you have no argument
You do know U.K. hauliers spend money abroad and on ferries too?
Your argument is great for U.K. only business but adds cost for exporters so loses money and jobs in the U.K. in the long run.
It’s the economics of export and import.
Good there are less foreign trucks running in the U.K. for domestic traffic but given they don’t do much of that it’s of no consequence.
U.K. hauliers can’t compete on exports due to market imbalance . But don’t let reality get in the way of theory.
So the money that uk haulers spend abroad is good for the uk because?"
You said U.K. haulier better than foreign but our hauliers will return the favour if they replace foreign hauliers in any small way.. They will have to buy fuel abroad to compete.
You need to speak to Boris to drop fuel tax in the U.K. . |
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"And by the way any driver who’s self employed can turn up at yard and say I’ll do that job for £250.00
When an employee would have to be paid £500 for hours worked
Not so many here now saying they’ll do that
So costs will be increasing? Businesses struggling and so on? But hey you can ask more as a truck driver, which is good for you? ( and bad for everybody else?)
It’s good for the drivers as they get increased wages
Bad for business?
How can it be good for business to have a drive to the cheapest for drivers
You only get what you pay for in life
So a self employed driver may over run his hrs no rest eat on the go
Seen many accidents from foreigners not following uk drivers regulations
You just talk random stuff dont you ?
Look at the bigger picture and how it will impact the economy in the long term. And not go looking for some foreigners doing traffic accidents
So in the long term as the hauler stated on granada news per my opening statement
I don’t do so much European work but have picked up a lot of British work as not so may foreigners coming over with cheap diesel and low wages
So in the long term that looks positive?
Again, you only looking and yourself and truck drivers only and we are talking about country and brexit as a whole. You dont really look past your nose, do you?
So as for me I pay the going rate for drivers who are qualified and trained
As for the country as a whole......
People being paid a reasonable rate for working
Can spend said money in the local economy
So for every £1 spent locally 85p is recycled around the local economy
As for every £1 given to a European to send 70p home only leave 30p to spend in uk then you have all cost to extract from this leaves coppers for uk to recycle
So again you have no argument
You do know U.K. hauliers spend money abroad and on ferries too?
Your argument is great for U.K. only business but adds cost for exporters so loses money and jobs in the U.K. in the long run.
It’s the economics of export and import.
Good there are less foreign trucks running in the U.K. for domestic traffic but given they don’t do much of that it’s of no consequence.
U.K. hauliers can’t compete on exports due to market imbalance . But don’t let reality get in the way of theory. "
So as it happens I import daily from Europe fresh produce
Used to take 16 hrs from auction to delivery
Now takes 24 hrs due to unnecessary paperwork n checks
No big deal just adjust my buying to cover time delay
Dutch said in January ahh due to extra paperwork ect cost of pallet to uk is now £200 where as it used to be £100
So all importers stopped buying
Guess what price came back down to £100
Might not sound a lot but 40 pallets per lorry extra £100 equals £4000.00 per load
They soon changed tune when no sales
As for exporters no need to raise cost just get paperwork done and no problem
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"And by the way any driver who’s self employed can turn up at yard and say I’ll do that job for £250.00
When an employee would have to be paid £500 for hours worked
Not so many here now saying they’ll do that
So costs will be increasing? Businesses struggling and so on? But hey you can ask more as a truck driver, which is good for you? ( and bad for everybody else?)
It’s good for the drivers as they get increased wages
Bad for business?
How can it be good for business to have a drive to the cheapest for drivers
You only get what you pay for in life
So a self employed driver may over run his hrs no rest eat on the go
Seen many accidents from foreigners not following uk drivers regulations
You just talk random stuff dont you ?
Look at the bigger picture and how it will impact the economy in the long term. And not go looking for some foreigners doing traffic accidents
So in the long term as the hauler stated on granada news per my opening statement
I don’t do so much European work but have picked up a lot of British work as not so may foreigners coming over with cheap diesel and low wages
So in the long term that looks positive?
Again, you only looking and yourself and truck drivers only and we are talking about country and brexit as a whole. You dont really look past your nose, do you?
So as for me I pay the going rate for drivers who are qualified and trained
As for the country as a whole......
People being paid a reasonable rate for working
Can spend said money in the local economy
So for every £1 spent locally 85p is recycled around the local economy
As for every £1 given to a European to send 70p home only leave 30p to spend in uk then you have all cost to extract from this leaves coppers for uk to recycle
So again you have no argument
You do know U.K. hauliers spend money abroad and on ferries too?
Your argument is great for U.K. only business but adds cost for exporters so loses money and jobs in the U.K. in the long run.
It’s the economics of export and import.
Good there are less foreign trucks running in the U.K. for domestic traffic but given they don’t do much of that it’s of no consequence.
U.K. hauliers can’t compete on exports due to market imbalance . But don’t let reality get in the way of theory.
So the money that uk haulers spend abroad is good for the uk because?
You said U.K. haulier better than foreign but our hauliers will return the favour if they replace foreign hauliers in any small way.. They will have to buy fuel abroad to compete.
You need to speak to Boris to drop fuel tax in the U.K. . "
So a uk hauler will go abroad to fill up to come back to uk to deliver
Mmmmm
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"And by the way any driver who’s self employed can turn up at yard and say I’ll do that job for £250.00
When an employee would have to be paid £500 for hours worked
Not so many here now saying they’ll do that
So costs will be increasing? Businesses struggling and so on? But hey you can ask more as a truck driver, which is good for you? ( and bad for everybody else?)
It’s good for the drivers as they get increased wages
Bad for business?
How can it be good for business to have a drive to the cheapest for drivers
You only get what you pay for in life
So a self employed driver may over run his hrs no rest eat on the go
Seen many accidents from foreigners not following uk drivers regulations
You just talk random stuff dont you ?
Look at the bigger picture and how it will impact the economy in the long term. And not go looking for some foreigners doing traffic accidents
So in the long term as the hauler stated on granada news per my opening statement
I don’t do so much European work but have picked up a lot of British work as not so may foreigners coming over with cheap diesel and low wages
So in the long term that looks positive?
Again, you only looking and yourself and truck drivers only and we are talking about country and brexit as a whole. You dont really look past your nose, do you?
So as for me I pay the going rate for drivers who are qualified and trained
As for the country as a whole......
People being paid a reasonable rate for working
Can spend said money in the local economy
So for every £1 spent locally 85p is recycled around the local economy
As for every £1 given to a European to send 70p home only leave 30p to spend in uk then you have all cost to extract from this leaves coppers for uk to recycle
So again you have no argument
You do know U.K. hauliers spend money abroad and on ferries too?
Your argument is great for U.K. only business but adds cost for exporters so loses money and jobs in the U.K. in the long run.
It’s the economics of export and import.
Good there are less foreign trucks running in the U.K. for domestic traffic but given they don’t do much of that it’s of no consequence.
U.K. hauliers can’t compete on exports due to market imbalance . But don’t let reality get in the way of theory.
So the money that uk haulers spend abroad is good for the uk because?
You said U.K. haulier better than foreign but our hauliers will return the favour if they replace foreign hauliers in any small way.. They will have to buy fuel abroad to compete.
You need to speak to Boris to drop fuel tax in the U.K. .
So a uk hauler will go abroad to fill up to come back to uk to deliver
Mmmmm
Think you need a lie down "
Your op said international hauliers did you read that?
The fact is if we increase export costs then we lose trade do you understand that??
Today an expiry to west Germany runs around £600 plus customs costs diverts etc in the opposite direct lion it’s nearer three times the price. If U.K. hauliers take over the price to export will at least double., clear enough for you?? |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"And by the way any driver who’s self employed can turn up at yard and say I’ll do that job for £250.00
When an employee would have to be paid £500 for hours worked
Not so many here now saying they’ll do that
So costs will be increasing? Businesses struggling and so on? But hey you can ask more as a truck driver, which is good for you? ( and bad for everybody else?)
It’s good for the drivers as they get increased wages
Bad for business?
How can it be good for business to have a drive to the cheapest for drivers
You only get what you pay for in life
So a self employed driver may over run his hrs no rest eat on the go
Seen many accidents from foreigners not following uk drivers regulations
You just talk random stuff dont you ?
Look at the bigger picture and how it will impact the economy in the long term. And not go looking for some foreigners doing traffic accidents
So in the long term as the hauler stated on granada news per my opening statement
I don’t do so much European work but have picked up a lot of British work as not so may foreigners coming over with cheap diesel and low wages
So in the long term that looks positive?
Again, you only looking and yourself and truck drivers only and we are talking about country and brexit as a whole. You dont really look past your nose, do you?
So as for me I pay the going rate for drivers who are qualified and trained
As for the country as a whole......
People being paid a reasonable rate for working
Can spend said money in the local economy
So for every £1 spent locally 85p is recycled around the local economy
As for every £1 given to a European to send 70p home only leave 30p to spend in uk then you have all cost to extract from this leaves coppers for uk to recycle
So again you have no argument
You do know U.K. hauliers spend money abroad and on ferries too?
Your argument is great for U.K. only business but adds cost for exporters so loses money and jobs in the U.K. in the long run.
It’s the economics of export and import.
Good there are less foreign trucks running in the U.K. for domestic traffic but given they don’t do much of that it’s of no consequence.
U.K. hauliers can’t compete on exports due to market imbalance . But don’t let reality get in the way of theory.
So as it happens I import daily from Europe fresh produce
Used to take 16 hrs from auction to delivery
Now takes 24 hrs due to unnecessary paperwork n checks
No big deal just adjust my buying to cover time delay
Dutch said in January ahh due to extra paperwork ect cost of pallet to uk is now £200 where as it used to be £100
So all importers stopped buying
Guess what price came back down to £100
Might not sound a lot but 40 pallets per lorry extra £100 equals £4000.00 per load
They soon changed tune when no sales
As for exporters no need to raise cost just get paperwork done and no problem
"
Plus customs, plus diverts for T1 clearance and demurrage due to delays, now an increase in haulage costs as less hauliers want to come to the U.K. . 51% rejection rate for delivering U.K. loads by Polish hauliers.
You need to wipe those rose tinted glasses.
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"And by the way any driver who’s self employed can turn up at yard and say I’ll do that job for £250.00
When an employee would have to be paid £500 for hours worked
Not so many here now saying they’ll do that
So costs will be increasing? Businesses struggling and so on? But hey you can ask more as a truck driver, which is good for you? ( and bad for everybody else?)
It’s good for the drivers as they get increased wages
Bad for business?
How can it be good for business to have a drive to the cheapest for drivers
You only get what you pay for in life
So a self employed driver may over run his hrs no rest eat on the go
Seen many accidents from foreigners not following uk drivers regulations
You just talk random stuff dont you ?
Look at the bigger picture and how it will impact the economy in the long term. And not go looking for some foreigners doing traffic accidents
So in the long term as the hauler stated on granada news per my opening statement
I don’t do so much European work but have picked up a lot of British work as not so may foreigners coming over with cheap diesel and low wages
So in the long term that looks positive?
Again, you only looking and yourself and truck drivers only and we are talking about country and brexit as a whole. You dont really look past your nose, do you?
So as for me I pay the going rate for drivers who are qualified and trained
As for the country as a whole......
People being paid a reasonable rate for working
Can spend said money in the local economy
So for every £1 spent locally 85p is recycled around the local economy
As for every £1 given to a European to send 70p home only leave 30p to spend in uk then you have all cost to extract from this leaves coppers for uk to recycle
So again you have no argument
You do know U.K. hauliers spend money abroad and on ferries too?
Your argument is great for U.K. only business but adds cost for exporters so loses money and jobs in the U.K. in the long run.
It’s the economics of export and import.
Good there are less foreign trucks running in the U.K. for domestic traffic but given they don’t do much of that it’s of no consequence.
U.K. hauliers can’t compete on exports due to market imbalance . But don’t let reality get in the way of theory.
So the money that uk haulers spend abroad is good for the uk because?
You said U.K. haulier better than foreign but our hauliers will return the favour if they replace foreign hauliers in any small way.. They will have to buy fuel abroad to compete.
You need to speak to Boris to drop fuel tax in the U.K. .
So a uk hauler will go abroad to fill up to come back to uk to deliver
Mmmmm
Think you need a lie down
Your op said international hauliers did you read that?
The fact is if we increase export costs then we lose trade do you understand that??
Today an expiry to west Germany runs around £600 plus customs costs diverts etc in the opposite direct lion it’s nearer three times the price. If U.K. hauliers take over the price to export will at least double., clear enough for you?? "
So to export my friend does to Ireland
2 defra girls turn up both with computers cars pensions offices secretaries to check his paperwork
This is totally unnecessary
Their there for about 1 hr at £150 per person
Totally unnecessary
There will come a time when it’s all smoothed out and computerised and these cost will disappear
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"And by the way any driver who’s self employed can turn up at yard and say I’ll do that job for £250.00
When an employee would have to be paid £500 for hours worked
Not so many here now saying they’ll do that
So costs will be increasing? Businesses struggling and so on? But hey you can ask more as a truck driver, which is good for you? ( and bad for everybody else?)
It’s good for the drivers as they get increased wages
Bad for business?
How can it be good for business to have a drive to the cheapest for drivers
You only get what you pay for in life
So a self employed driver may over run his hrs no rest eat on the go
Seen many accidents from foreigners not following uk drivers regulations
You just talk random stuff dont you ?
Look at the bigger picture and how it will impact the economy in the long term. And not go looking for some foreigners doing traffic accidents
So in the long term as the hauler stated on granada news per my opening statement
I don’t do so much European work but have picked up a lot of British work as not so may foreigners coming over with cheap diesel and low wages
So in the long term that looks positive?
Again, you only looking and yourself and truck drivers only and we are talking about country and brexit as a whole. You dont really look past your nose, do you?
So as for me I pay the going rate for drivers who are qualified and trained
As for the country as a whole......
People being paid a reasonable rate for working
Can spend said money in the local economy
So for every £1 spent locally 85p is recycled around the local economy
As for every £1 given to a European to send 70p home only leave 30p to spend in uk then you have all cost to extract from this leaves coppers for uk to recycle
So again you have no argument
You do know U.K. hauliers spend money abroad and on ferries too?
Your argument is great for U.K. only business but adds cost for exporters so loses money and jobs in the U.K. in the long run.
It’s the economics of export and import.
Good there are less foreign trucks running in the U.K. for domestic traffic but given they don’t do much of that it’s of no consequence.
U.K. hauliers can’t compete on exports due to market imbalance . But don’t let reality get in the way of theory.
So as it happens I import daily from Europe fresh produce
Used to take 16 hrs from auction to delivery
Now takes 24 hrs due to unnecessary paperwork n checks
No big deal just adjust my buying to cover time delay
Dutch said in January ahh due to extra paperwork ect cost of pallet to uk is now £200 where as it used to be £100
So all importers stopped buying
Guess what price came back down to £100
Might not sound a lot but 40 pallets per lorry extra £100 equals £4000.00 per load
They soon changed tune when no sales
As for exporters no need to raise cost just get paperwork done and no problem
Plus customs, plus diverts for T1 clearance and demurrage due to delays, now an increase in haulage costs as less hauliers want to come to the U.K. . 51% rejection rate for delivering U.K. loads by Polish hauliers.
You need to wipe those rose tinted glasses.
"
So rejection rates are due to paperwork ect not being in order
I have daily deliveries from Holland no rejection
The exporters do the appropriate paperwork
Same for Floweres I import from world wide supples
I simply said if you want me to buy it you do the necessary paperwork give me the price for goods I’ll either buy it or not surprisingly the cost price hasn’t altered
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"And by the way any driver who’s self employed can turn up at yard and say I’ll do that job for £250.00
When an employee would have to be paid £500 for hours worked
Not so many here now saying they’ll do that
So costs will be increasing? Businesses struggling and so on? But hey you can ask more as a truck driver, which is good for you? ( and bad for everybody else?)
It’s good for the drivers as they get increased wages
Bad for business?
How can it be good for business to have a drive to the cheapest for drivers
You only get what you pay for in life
So a self employed driver may over run his hrs no rest eat on the go
Seen many accidents from foreigners not following uk drivers regulations
You just talk random stuff dont you ?
Look at the bigger picture and how it will impact the economy in the long term. And not go looking for some foreigners doing traffic accidents
So in the long term as the hauler stated on granada news per my opening statement
I don’t do so much European work but have picked up a lot of British work as not so may foreigners coming over with cheap diesel and low wages
So in the long term that looks positive?
Again, you only looking and yourself and truck drivers only and we are talking about country and brexit as a whole. You dont really look past your nose, do you?
So as for me I pay the going rate for drivers who are qualified and trained
As for the country as a whole......
People being paid a reasonable rate for working
Can spend said money in the local economy
So for every £1 spent locally 85p is recycled around the local economy
As for every £1 given to a European to send 70p home only leave 30p to spend in uk then you have all cost to extract from this leaves coppers for uk to recycle
So again you have no argument
You do know U.K. hauliers spend money abroad and on ferries too?
Your argument is great for U.K. only business but adds cost for exporters so loses money and jobs in the U.K. in the long run.
It’s the economics of export and import.
Good there are less foreign trucks running in the U.K. for domestic traffic but given they don’t do much of that it’s of no consequence.
U.K. hauliers can’t compete on exports due to market imbalance . But don’t let reality get in the way of theory.
So the money that uk haulers spend abroad is good for the uk because?
You said U.K. haulier better than foreign but our hauliers will return the favour if they replace foreign hauliers in any small way.. They will have to buy fuel abroad to compete.
You need to speak to Boris to drop fuel tax in the U.K. .
So a uk hauler will go abroad to fill up to come back to uk to deliver
Mmmmm
Think you need a lie down
Your op said international hauliers did you read that?
The fact is if we increase export costs then we lose trade do you understand that??
Today an expiry to west Germany runs around £600 plus customs costs diverts etc in the opposite direct lion it’s nearer three times the price. If U.K. hauliers take over the price to export will at least double., clear enough for you??
So to export my friend does to Ireland
2 defra girls turn up both with computers cars pensions offices secretaries to check his paperwork
This is totally unnecessary
Their there for about 1 hr at £150 per person
Totally unnecessary
There will come a time when it’s all smoothed out and computerised and these cost will disappear
"
Multiply that by the millions of exports we do and you will confirm Brexit was the stupidest idea for U.K. business ever!!
We export deep sea which is computerised . It still costs the same fees and causes delays.
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"And by the way any driver who’s self employed can turn up at yard and say I’ll do that job for £250.00
When an employee would have to be paid £500 for hours worked
Not so many here now saying they’ll do that
So costs will be increasing? Businesses struggling and so on? But hey you can ask more as a truck driver, which is good for you? ( and bad for everybody else?)
It’s good for the drivers as they get increased wages
Bad for business?
How can it be good for business to have a drive to the cheapest for drivers
You only get what you pay for in life
So a self employed driver may over run his hrs no rest eat on the go
Seen many accidents from foreigners not following uk drivers regulations
You just talk random stuff dont you ?
Look at the bigger picture and how it will impact the economy in the long term. And not go looking for some foreigners doing traffic accidents
So in the long term as the hauler stated on granada news per my opening statement
I don’t do so much European work but have picked up a lot of British work as not so may foreigners coming over with cheap diesel and low wages
So in the long term that looks positive?
Again, you only looking and yourself and truck drivers only and we are talking about country and brexit as a whole. You dont really look past your nose, do you?
So as for me I pay the going rate for drivers who are qualified and trained
As for the country as a whole......
People being paid a reasonable rate for working
Can spend said money in the local economy
So for every £1 spent locally 85p is recycled around the local economy
As for every £1 given to a European to send 70p home only leave 30p to spend in uk then you have all cost to extract from this leaves coppers for uk to recycle
So again you have no argument
You do know U.K. hauliers spend money abroad and on ferries too?
Your argument is great for U.K. only business but adds cost for exporters so loses money and jobs in the U.K. in the long run.
It’s the economics of export and import.
Good there are less foreign trucks running in the U.K. for domestic traffic but given they don’t do much of that it’s of no consequence.
U.K. hauliers can’t compete on exports due to market imbalance . But don’t let reality get in the way of theory.
So as it happens I import daily from Europe fresh produce
Used to take 16 hrs from auction to delivery
Now takes 24 hrs due to unnecessary paperwork n checks
No big deal just adjust my buying to cover time delay
Dutch said in January ahh due to extra paperwork ect cost of pallet to uk is now £200 where as it used to be £100
So all importers stopped buying
Guess what price came back down to £100
Might not sound a lot but 40 pallets per lorry extra £100 equals £4000.00 per load
They soon changed tune when no sales
As for exporters no need to raise cost just get paperwork done and no problem
Plus customs, plus diverts for T1 clearance and demurrage due to delays, now an increase in haulage costs as less hauliers want to come to the U.K. . 51% rejection rate for delivering U.K. loads by Polish hauliers.
You need to wipe those rose tinted glasses.
So rejection rates are due to paperwork ect not being in order
I have daily deliveries from Holland no rejection
The exporters do the appropriate paperwork
Same for Floweres I import from world wide supples
I simply said if you want me to buy it you do the necessary paperwork give me the price for goods I’ll either buy it or not surprisingly the cost price hasn’t altered
"
You misunderstand the rejection rate is they don’t want to come to the U.K. they reject the work. it’s due to the delays caused by Brexit and resulting diversions on exports.
NL to U.K. does not involve T1 a ms it’s a straight forward customs process which can be done remotely . Also U.K. isn’t checking any paperwork on imports until next year. So of course no problems for you. Try exporting !!
We are a major exporter and know our shit so I’m not making this is up. It’s a bloody mess. |
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"And by the way any driver who’s self employed can turn up at yard and say I’ll do that job for £250.00
When an employee would have to be paid £500 for hours worked
Not so many here now saying they’ll do that
So costs will be increasing? Businesses struggling and so on? But hey you can ask more as a truck driver, which is good for you? ( and bad for everybody else?)
It’s good for the drivers as they get increased wages
Bad for business?
How can it be good for business to have a drive to the cheapest for drivers
You only get what you pay for in life
So a self employed driver may over run his hrs no rest eat on the go
Seen many accidents from foreigners not following uk drivers regulations
You just talk random stuff dont you ?
Look at the bigger picture and how it will impact the economy in the long term. And not go looking for some foreigners doing traffic accidents
So in the long term as the hauler stated on granada news per my opening statement
I don’t do so much European work but have picked up a lot of British work as not so may foreigners coming over with cheap diesel and low wages
So in the long term that looks positive?
Again, you only looking and yourself and truck drivers only and we are talking about country and brexit as a whole. You dont really look past your nose, do you?
So as for me I pay the going rate for drivers who are qualified and trained
As for the country as a whole......
People being paid a reasonable rate for working
Can spend said money in the local economy
So for every £1 spent locally 85p is recycled around the local economy
As for every £1 given to a European to send 70p home only leave 30p to spend in uk then you have all cost to extract from this leaves coppers for uk to recycle
So again you have no argument
You do know U.K. hauliers spend money abroad and on ferries too?
Your argument is great for U.K. only business but adds cost for exporters so loses money and jobs in the U.K. in the long run.
It’s the economics of export and import.
Good there are less foreign trucks running in the U.K. for domestic traffic but given they don’t do much of that it’s of no consequence.
U.K. hauliers can’t compete on exports due to market imbalance . But don’t let reality get in the way of theory.
So as it happens I import daily from Europe fresh produce
Used to take 16 hrs from auction to delivery
Now takes 24 hrs due to unnecessary paperwork n checks
No big deal just adjust my buying to cover time delay
Dutch said in January ahh due to extra paperwork ect cost of pallet to uk is now £200 where as it used to be £100
So all importers stopped buying
Guess what price came back down to £100
Might not sound a lot but 40 pallets per lorry extra £100 equals £4000.00 per load
They soon changed tune when no sales
As for exporters no need to raise cost just get paperwork done and no problem
Plus customs, plus diverts for T1 clearance and demurrage due to delays, now an increase in haulage costs as less hauliers want to come to the U.K. . 51% rejection rate for delivering U.K. loads by Polish hauliers.
You need to wipe those rose tinted glasses.
So rejection rates are due to paperwork ect not being in order
I have daily deliveries from Holland no rejection
The exporters do the appropriate paperwork
Same for Floweres I import from world wide supples
I simply said if you want me to buy it you do the necessary paperwork give me the price for goods I’ll either buy it or not surprisingly the cost price hasn’t altered
"
Seems you have managed to overcome problems that other are not able too. Anyway sounds good news if this chap is reporting increased work. However on fab world increased work = bad |
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"And by the way any driver who’s self employed can turn up at yard and say I’ll do that job for £250.00
When an employee would have to be paid £500 for hours worked
Not so many here now saying they’ll do that
So costs will be increasing? Businesses struggling and so on? But hey you can ask more as a truck driver, which is good for you? ( and bad for everybody else?)
It’s good for the drivers as they get increased wages
Bad for business?
How can it be good for business to have a drive to the cheapest for drivers
You only get what you pay for in life
So a self employed driver may over run his hrs no rest eat on the go
Seen many accidents from foreigners not following uk drivers regulations
You just talk random stuff dont you ?
Look at the bigger picture and how it will impact the economy in the long term. And not go looking for some foreigners doing traffic accidents
So in the long term as the hauler stated on granada news per my opening statement
I don’t do so much European work but have picked up a lot of British work as not so may foreigners coming over with cheap diesel and low wages
So in the long term that looks positive?
Again, you only looking and yourself and truck drivers only and we are talking about country and brexit as a whole. You dont really look past your nose, do you?
So as for me I pay the going rate for drivers who are qualified and trained
As for the country as a whole......
People being paid a reasonable rate for working
Can spend said money in the local economy
So for every £1 spent locally 85p is recycled around the local economy
As for every £1 given to a European to send 70p home only leave 30p to spend in uk then you have all cost to extract from this leaves coppers for uk to recycle
So again you have no argument
You do know U.K. hauliers spend money abroad and on ferries too?
Your argument is great for U.K. only business but adds cost for exporters so loses money and jobs in the U.K. in the long run.
It’s the economics of export and import.
Good there are less foreign trucks running in the U.K. for domestic traffic but given they don’t do much of that it’s of no consequence.
U.K. hauliers can’t compete on exports due to market imbalance . But don’t let reality get in the way of theory.
So the money that uk haulers spend abroad is good for the uk because?
You said U.K. haulier better than foreign but our hauliers will return the favour if they replace foreign hauliers in any small way.. They will have to buy fuel abroad to compete.
You need to speak to Boris to drop fuel tax in the U.K. .
So a uk hauler will go abroad to fill up to come back to uk to deliver
Mmmmm
Think you need a lie down
Your op said international hauliers did you read that?
The fact is if we increase export costs then we lose trade do you understand that??
Today an expiry to west Germany runs around £600 plus customs costs diverts etc in the opposite direct lion it’s nearer three times the price. If U.K. hauliers take over the price to export will at least double., clear enough for you??
So to export my friend does to Ireland
2 defra girls turn up both with computers cars pensions offices secretaries to check his paperwork
This is totally unnecessary
Their there for about 1 hr at £150 per person
Totally unnecessary
There will come a time when it’s all smoothed out and computerised and these cost will disappear
Multiply that by the millions of exports we do and you will confirm Brexit was the stupidest idea for U.K. business ever!!
We export deep sea which is computerised . It still costs the same fees and causes delays.
It’s a lose lose situation. Madness "
Why so
Put your house in order no problem
We export deep see makes no sense?
If your referring to fish surely our British fish mongers should be full off cheap fish ?
I buy fish from a local fishmongers 10 shops down from me cost an arm and a leg
So if exports costing more surely sell into uk markets at less cost
Good for British economy n shoppers
Same profits as less cost ie export cost
Same with lamb beef ect our shops should be full of good value produce!! |
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So exactly the same as our British hauler
Doesn’t want to go to Europe due to ball ach of paperwork
So bring to port
Put on ferry
Drop off in Dover back on ferry no uk entrance
Uk drivers collect and onwards
Doesn’t even have to board ferry
Trunk to ferry
Load n leave collection in uk |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
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"And by the way any driver who’s self employed can turn up at yard and say I’ll do that job for £250.00
When an employee would have to be paid £500 for hours worked
Not so many here now saying they’ll do that
So costs will be increasing? Businesses struggling and so on? But hey you can ask more as a truck driver, which is good for you? ( and bad for everybody else?)
It’s good for the drivers as they get increased wages
Bad for business?
How can it be good for business to have a drive to the cheapest for drivers
You only get what you pay for in life
So a self employed driver may over run his hrs no rest eat on the go
Seen many accidents from foreigners not following uk drivers regulations
You just talk random stuff dont you ?
Look at the bigger picture and how it will impact the economy in the long term. And not go looking for some foreigners doing traffic accidents
So in the long term as the hauler stated on granada news per my opening statement
I don’t do so much European work but have picked up a lot of British work as not so may foreigners coming over with cheap diesel and low wages
So in the long term that looks positive?
Again, you only looking and yourself and truck drivers only and we are talking about country and brexit as a whole. You dont really look past your nose, do you?
So as for me I pay the going rate for drivers who are qualified and trained
As for the country as a whole......
People being paid a reasonable rate for working
Can spend said money in the local economy
So for every £1 spent locally 85p is recycled around the local economy
As for every £1 given to a European to send 70p home only leave 30p to spend in uk then you have all cost to extract from this leaves coppers for uk to recycle
So again you have no argument
You do know U.K. hauliers spend money abroad and on ferries too?
Your argument is great for U.K. only business but adds cost for exporters so loses money and jobs in the U.K. in the long run.
It’s the economics of export and import.
Good there are less foreign trucks running in the U.K. for domestic traffic but given they don’t do much of that it’s of no consequence.
U.K. hauliers can’t compete on exports due to market imbalance . But don’t let reality get in the way of theory.
So the money that uk haulers spend abroad is good for the uk because?
You said U.K. haulier better than foreign but our hauliers will return the favour if they replace foreign hauliers in any small way.. They will have to buy fuel abroad to compete.
You need to speak to Boris to drop fuel tax in the U.K. .
So a uk hauler will go abroad to fill up to come back to uk to deliver
Mmmmm
Think you need a lie down
Your op said international hauliers did you read that?
The fact is if we increase export costs then we lose trade do you understand that??
Today an expiry to west Germany runs around £600 plus customs costs diverts etc in the opposite direct lion it’s nearer three times the price. If U.K. hauliers take over the price to export will at least double., clear enough for you??
So to export my friend does to Ireland
2 defra girls turn up both with computers cars pensions offices secretaries to check his paperwork
This is totally unnecessary
Their there for about 1 hr at £150 per person
Totally unnecessary
There will come a time when it’s all smoothed out and computerised and these cost will disappear
Multiply that by the millions of exports we do and you will confirm Brexit was the stupidest idea for U.K. business ever!!
We export deep sea which is computerised . It still costs the same fees and causes delays.
It’s a lose lose situation. Madness
Why so
Put your house in order no problem
We export deep see makes no sense?
If your referring to fish surely our British fish mongers should be full off cheap fish ?
I buy fish from a local fishmongers 10 shops down from me cost an arm and a leg
So if exports costing more surely sell into uk markets at less cost
Good for British economy n shoppers
Same profits as less cost ie export cost
Same with lamb beef ect our shops should be full of good value produce!! "
Good so you will be buying four tons of lamb next week and two ton of fish to make sure the farmer fishermen sell all their lamb fish as the excess needs eating to make those profits you mention go to the right producers. .
We are experienced exporters so know very well all about the paperwork . Do I need crayons to explain it??
Do you understand the county’s balance of payments??
The U.K. market is too small for us so we export. We’re not a fucking sweet shop!!
The house you say we need put in order is the broken HMRC processes and Brexit red tape so feel free to tell the HMRC of their fuck ups. See if they listen .
Your views are very naive in the extreme
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"I didn't understand half of the things you said, because of your poor english language, but I think I get the main point.
In general the increase in salary is good for the low skilled local truck drivers, but worse for the higher skilled workers. Who are those higher skilled and higher paid workers? Logistic specialists, planners, managers and so on. Reduction in the number of lower skilled jobs will affect the whole pyramid from the bottom. And who usually get the job of a salesman of new trucks, a manager of logistics operations and so on? Of course and english speaking brit.
A good example is in my country , there was a huge influx of Ukrainian low skilled workers, especially truck drivers. The local truck drivers werent happy, but it created so many more new office workplaces and so on. Even this year it is being forecast of a record number of new truck sales in the country. So yeah, local usually get to boss around those cheap workers, but now a logistics planner will have to go one step lower and become a lorry driver, because there is no one to boss around
Simply nonsense
And you say my grasp of English is poor
Ps I’m dyslexic
By the way I’m an employer 10 staff
Drivers
Never employed anyone for cash
No one who is not a qualified driver will drive lorries
Your talking nonsense "
it's the unskilled bit that gets me been driving for 27 yrs definitely skilled but hay any tom dick and harry can drive a 40 ft and unit enjoy |
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"And by the way any driver who’s self employed can turn up at yard and say I’ll do that job for £250.00
When an employee would have to be paid £500 for hours worked
Not so many here now saying they’ll do that
So costs will be increasing? Businesses struggling and so on? But hey you can ask more as a truck driver, which is good for you? ( and bad for everybody else?)
It’s good for the drivers as they get increased wages
Bad for business?
How can it be good for business to have a drive to the cheapest for drivers
You only get what you pay for in life
So a self employed driver may over run his hrs no rest eat on the go
Seen many accidents from foreigners not following uk drivers regulations
You just talk random stuff dont you ?
Look at the bigger picture and how it will impact the economy in the long term. And not go looking for some foreigners doing traffic accidents
So in the long term as the hauler stated on granada news per my opening statement
I don’t do so much European work but have picked up a lot of British work as not so may foreigners coming over with cheap diesel and low wages
So in the long term that looks positive?
Again, you only looking and yourself and truck drivers only and we are talking about country and brexit as a whole. You dont really look past your nose, do you?
So as for me I pay the going rate for drivers who are qualified and trained
As for the country as a whole......
People being paid a reasonable rate for working
Can spend said money in the local economy
So for every £1 spent locally 85p is recycled around the local economy
As for every £1 given to a European to send 70p home only leave 30p to spend in uk then you have all cost to extract from this leaves coppers for uk to recycle
So again you have no argument
You do know U.K. hauliers spend money abroad and on ferries too?
Your argument is great for U.K. only business but adds cost for exporters so loses money and jobs in the U.K. in the long run.
It’s the economics of export and import.
Good there are less foreign trucks running in the U.K. for domestic traffic but given they don’t do much of that it’s of no consequence.
U.K. hauliers can’t compete on exports due to market imbalance . But don’t let reality get in the way of theory.
So the money that uk haulers spend abroad is good for the uk because?
You said U.K. haulier better than foreign but our hauliers will return the favour if they replace foreign hauliers in any small way.. They will have to buy fuel abroad to compete.
You need to speak to Boris to drop fuel tax in the U.K. .
So a uk hauler will go abroad to fill up to come back to uk to deliver
Mmmmm
Think you need a lie down
Your op said international hauliers did you read that?
The fact is if we increase export costs then we lose trade do you understand that??
Today an expiry to west Germany runs around £600 plus customs costs diverts etc in the opposite direct lion it’s nearer three times the price. If U.K. hauliers take over the price to export will at least double., clear enough for you??
So to export my friend does to Ireland
2 defra girls turn up both with computers cars pensions offices secretaries to check his paperwork
This is totally unnecessary
Their there for about 1 hr at £150 per person
Totally unnecessary
There will come a time when it’s all smoothed out and computerised and these cost will disappear
Multiply that by the millions of exports we do and you will confirm Brexit was the stupidest idea for U.K. business ever!!
We export deep sea which is computerised . It still costs the same fees and causes delays.
It’s a lose lose situation. Madness
Why so
Put your house in order no problem
We export deep see makes no sense?
If your referring to fish surely our British fish mongers should be full off cheap fish ?
I buy fish from a local fishmongers 10 shops down from me cost an arm and a leg
So if exports costing more surely sell into uk markets at less cost
Good for British economy n shoppers
Same profits as less cost ie export cost
Same with lamb beef ect our shops should be full of good value produce!!
Good so you will be buying four tons of lamb next week and two ton of fish to make sure the farmer fishermen sell all their lamb fish as the excess needs eating to make those profits you mention go to the right producers. .
We are experienced exporters so know very well all about the paperwork . Do I need crayons to explain it??
Do you understand the county’s balance of payments??
The U.K. market is too small for us so we export. We’re not a fucking sweet shop!!
The house you say we need put in order is the broken HMRC processes and Brexit red tape so feel free to tell the HMRC of their fuck ups. See if they listen .
Your views are very naive in the extreme
"
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"So exactly the same as our British hauler
Doesn’t want to go to Europe due to ball ach of paperwork
So bring to port
Put on ferry
Drop off in Dover back on ferry no uk entrance
Uk drivers collect and onwards
Doesn’t even have to board ferry
Trunk to ferry
Load n leave collection in uk "
Unaccompanied services don’t cover much of Europe and take much longer also more costly but hope you’re happy in your ignorance.
Logistics is not that simple choice.
Remember to add the not enough drivers and increased costs on top of your flawed argument.
If it costs more you sell less !! It’s economics. Without access to the years of cheaper haulage U.K. exporters will suffer.
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"And by the way any driver who’s self employed can turn up at yard and say I’ll do that job for £250.00
When an employee would have to be paid £500 for hours worked
Not so many here now saying they’ll do that
So costs will be increasing? Businesses struggling and so on? But hey you can ask more as a truck driver, which is good for you? ( and bad for everybody else?)
It’s good for the drivers as they get increased wages
Bad for business?
How can it be good for business to have a drive to the cheapest for drivers
You only get what you pay for in life
So a self employed driver may over run his hrs no rest eat on the go
Seen many accidents from foreigners not following uk drivers regulations
You just talk random stuff dont you ?
Look at the bigger picture and how it will impact the economy in the long term. And not go looking for some foreigners doing traffic accidents
So in the long term as the hauler stated on granada news per my opening statement
I don’t do so much European work but have picked up a lot of British work as not so may foreigners coming over with cheap diesel and low wages
So in the long term that looks positive?
Again, you only looking and yourself and truck drivers only and we are talking about country and brexit as a whole. You dont really look past your nose, do you?
So as for me I pay the going rate for drivers who are qualified and trained
As for the country as a whole......
People being paid a reasonable rate for working
Can spend said money in the local economy
So for every £1 spent locally 85p is recycled around the local economy
As for every £1 given to a European to send 70p home only leave 30p to spend in uk then you have all cost to extract from this leaves coppers for uk to recycle
So again you have no argument
You do know U.K. hauliers spend money abroad and on ferries too?
Your argument is great for U.K. only business but adds cost for exporters so loses money and jobs in the U.K. in the long run.
It’s the economics of export and import.
Good there are less foreign trucks running in the U.K. for domestic traffic but given they don’t do much of that it’s of no consequence.
U.K. hauliers can’t compete on exports due to market imbalance . But don’t let reality get in the way of theory.
So the money that uk haulers spend abroad is good for the uk because?
You said U.K. haulier better than foreign but our hauliers will return the favour if they replace foreign hauliers in any small way.. They will have to buy fuel abroad to compete.
You need to speak to Boris to drop fuel tax in the U.K. .
So a uk hauler will go abroad to fill up to come back to uk to deliver
Mmmmm
Think you need a lie down
Your op said international hauliers did you read that?
The fact is if we increase export costs then we lose trade do you understand that??
Today an expiry to west Germany runs around £600 plus customs costs diverts etc in the opposite direct lion it’s nearer three times the price. If U.K. hauliers take over the price to export will at least double., clear enough for you??
So to export my friend does to Ireland
2 defra girls turn up both with computers cars pensions offices secretaries to check his paperwork
This is totally unnecessary
Their there for about 1 hr at £150 per person
Totally unnecessary
There will come a time when it’s all smoothed out and computerised and these cost will disappear
Multiply that by the millions of exports we do and you will confirm Brexit was the stupidest idea for U.K. business ever!!
We export deep sea which is computerised . It still costs the same fees and causes delays.
It’s a lose lose situation. Madness
Why so
Put your house in order no problem
We export deep see makes no sense?
If your referring to fish surely our British fish mongers should be full off cheap fish ?
I buy fish from a local fishmongers 10 shops down from me cost an arm and a leg
So if exports costing more surely sell into uk markets at less cost
Good for British economy n shoppers
Same profits as less cost ie export cost
Same with lamb beef ect our shops should be full of good value produce!!
Good so you will be buying four tons of lamb next week and two ton of fish to make sure the farmer fishermen sell all their lamb fish as the excess needs eating to make those profits you mention go to the right producers. .
We are experienced exporters so know very well all about the paperwork . Do I need crayons to explain it??
Do you understand the county’s balance of payments??
The U.K. market is too small for us so we export. We’re not a fucking sweet shop!!
The house you say we need put in order is the broken HMRC processes and Brexit red tape so feel free to tell the HMRC of their fuck ups. See if they listen .
Your views are very naive in the extreme
So hmrc why ?"
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How many households can’t afford a leg of lamb at about £30
4 per lamb £120 + rest average price of a lamb £240
My cousin is a farmer
Also a lot of shell fish goes to Asia
A steak cost me £7.50 or £12.00 in the local farm shop
There’s no need for it
Especially with over supply due to increased export costs
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Official French customs analysis shows...
"trade in goods between France and the UK, both exports and imports, has been rising steadily since January and by March was close to normal, allowing for the persistence of the economic consequences of the pandemic"
... as noted earlier in this fest of doom and gloom ... when the dust settles and systems are improved and adjusted - normal service will return . 
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"So exactly the same as our British hauler
Doesn’t want to go to Europe due to ball ach of paperwork
So bring to port
Put on ferry
Drop off in Dover back on ferry no uk entrance
Uk drivers collect and onwards
Doesn’t even have to board ferry
Trunk to ferry
Load n leave collection in uk
Unaccompanied services don’t cover much of Europe and take much longer also more costly but hope you’re happy in your ignorance.
Logistics is not that simple choice.
Remember to add the not enough drivers and increased costs on top of your flawed argument.
If it costs more you sell less !! It’s economics. Without access to the years of cheaper haulage U.K. exporters will suffer.
"
If it cost more sell less but 10% of £1 is 10p
10% of £2 is 20p
Sell half as much make same
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"Official French customs analysis shows...
"trade in goods between France and the UK, both exports and imports, has been rising steadily since January and by March was close to normal, allowing for the persistence of the economic consequences of the pandemic"
... as noted earlier in this fest of doom and gloom ... when the dust settles and systems are improved and adjusted - normal service will return .
"
Think I said that
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
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"Still haven’t answered y hmrc"
It’s far too long winded . I’ve gone through this on here repeatedly so feel free to check. If you know about exporting you will know. If you don’t you won’t understand a word .
On a busy week we would export over 400 FTL
Additional costs up to end of Feb baring in mind we stopped exports in jan topped six figures so I know what I’m talking about .
We’ve moved jobs to the EU due to customers walking away from our U.K. sites and insisting EU production to avoid the hassle .
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By *ackal1Couple
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"Official French customs analysis shows...
"trade in goods between France and the UK, both exports and imports, has been rising steadily since January and by March was close to normal, allowing for the persistence of the economic consequences of the pandemic"
... as noted earlier in this fest of doom and gloom ... when the dust settles and systems are improved and adjusted - normal service will return .
Think I said that
Well said "
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By *ackal1Couple
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Manchester |
"Official French customs analysis shows...
"trade in goods between France and the UK, both exports and imports, has been rising steadily since January and by March was close to normal, allowing for the persistence of the economic consequences of the pandemic"
... as noted earlier in this fest of doom and gloom ... when the dust settles and systems are improved and adjusted - normal service will return .
"
Weekly volume data on Transporeon shows exports from the U.K. down 18%
Imports down 11%
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"How many households can’t afford a leg of lamb at about £30
4 per lamb £120 + rest average price of a lamb £240
My cousin is a farmer
Also a lot of shell fish goes to Asia
A steak cost me £7.50 or £12.00 in the local farm shop
There’s no need for it
Especially with over supply due to increased export costs
Bring uk retail price down to benefit uk residents "
I’m sure lots of households can’t afford it given evidence if goid bank use and the point is you have to buy all the produced lamb and fish at the higher original rate or the producer loses money doesn’t he!!
If farmer hours out of business and fisherman moves to the continent how does hat help U.K. consumers ? |
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"Official French customs analysis shows...
"trade in goods between France and the UK, both exports and imports, has been rising steadily since January and by March was close to normal, allowing for the persistence of the economic consequences of the pandemic"
... as noted earlier in this fest of doom and gloom ... when the dust settles and systems are improved and adjusted - normal service will return .
Weekly volume data on Transporeon shows exports from the U.K. down 18%
Imports down 11%
Both based on figures compared to same period 2020. "
I wonder why you’d hide your profile?
Still haven’t answers the questions I posed ?? |
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"Official French customs analysis shows...
"trade in goods between France and the UK, both exports and imports, has been rising steadily since January and by March was close to normal, allowing for the persistence of the economic consequences of the pandemic"
... as noted earlier in this fest of doom and gloom ... when the dust settles and systems are improved and adjusted - normal service will return .
Weekly volume data on Transporeon shows exports from the U.K. down 18%
Imports down 11%
Both based on figures compared to same period 2020. "
These are official French gov figures ...
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"How many households can’t afford a leg of lamb at about £30
4 per lamb £120 + rest average price of a lamb £240
My cousin is a farmer
Also a lot of shell fish goes to Asia
A steak cost me £7.50 or £12.00 in the local farm shop
There’s no need for it
Especially with over supply due to increased export costs
Bring uk retail price down to benefit uk residents
I’m sure lots of households can’t afford it given evidence if goid bank use and the point is you have to buy all the produced lamb and fish at the higher original rate or the producer loses money doesn’t he!!
If farmer hours out of business and fisherman moves to the continent how does hat help U.K. consumers ? "
No he doesn’t if he exports half of his goods at twice cost he makes same profit leaving 50% to sell at less than cost
Say he makes 10% on the left over 50% he’s 10% better off |
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So I employ a Cypriot and a Portuguese guy
They say British lamb is by far better than any European lamb by far
So if they want it as they do everyone wants the best food they can buy ( I watched a video today of a Chinese farm growing melons at £200 each )
Then the farmers can charge that price
Might only sell a fraction of what they did before but getting premium price
Just put it up to cover lost sales
Then sell rest into other markets at attractive price |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
upton wirral |
"So local hauler Edmundson of Preston on local news says “ can’t go to continent anymore to much paperwork n hassle “
Ah ha I hear the remoners say
But he goes on to say “ I’ve picked up loads of work in the uk because not so many foreign lorries coming in full of cheap desiel and undercutting me ,
So over all Bussiness is up “
Grenada reports
Say wat you guys ???"
All good news the remoaners will be in tears hee hee |
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By *acreadCouple
over a year ago
central scotland |
Ok we can ignore all the reports of billions lost in the cost of brexit and the loss of trade just becausde some guy says it's fine with him loads of billions too, ahh must get myself a pair of those rose tinted spectacles. |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"Official French customs analysis shows...
"trade in goods between France and the UK, both exports and imports, has been rising steadily since January and by March was close to normal, allowing for the persistence of the economic consequences of the pandemic"
... as noted earlier in this fest of doom and gloom ... when the dust settles and systems are improved and adjusted - normal service will return .
Weekly volume data on Transporeon shows exports from the U.K. down 18%
Imports down 11%
Both based on figures compared to same period 2020.
I wonder why you’d hide your profile?
Still haven’t answers the questions I posed ??"
Because of Covid and not mixing is that enough for you or would you like to know about my wife being ill? Been here a lot of years so don’t question me on that.
You question was why HMRC so guess you don’t know what they do. Never mind eh. |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"Seems no matter what good news is reported it will never be accepted by some"
Being able to trade internally is not a Brexit benefit it’s just internal trade . The haulier mentioned hardly moves anything internationally. They have around 80 trucks and 99% U.K. traffic .
I think I’ll take the discussions I have with Girteka and LKW more seriously. |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"So local hauler Edmundson of Preston on local news says “ can’t go to continent anymore to much paperwork n hassle “
Ah ha I hear the remoners say
But he goes on to say “ I’ve picked up loads of work in the uk because not so many foreign lorries coming in full of cheap desiel and undercutting me ,
So over all Bussiness is up “
Grenada reports
Say wat you guys ???All good news the remoaners will be in tears hee hee"
Emma yet again your contribution excels in its detailed analysis. |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"So I employ a Cypriot and a Portuguese guy
They say British lamb is by far better than any European lamb by far
So if they want it as they do everyone wants the best food they can buy ( I watched a video today of a Chinese farm growing melons at £200 each )
Then the farmers can charge that price
Might only sell a fraction of what they did before but getting premium price
Just put it up to cover lost sales
Then sell rest into other markets at attractive price "
Excellent . I’m sure the farmers will coin it in with that business plan. Why didn’t they think of it before?. Must be stupid farmers.
No they are not stupid It’s because people won’t pay a premium for it. Sadly
Why do people even bother to use Aldi and Lidl as Fortnum and Mason should be their shop of choice. |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"Official French customs analysis shows...
"trade in goods between France and the UK, both exports and imports, has been rising steadily since January and by March was close to normal, allowing for the persistence of the economic consequences of the pandemic"
... as noted earlier in this fest of doom and gloom ... when the dust settles and systems are improved and adjusted - normal service will return . (thumb
Weekly volume data on Transporeon shows exports from the U.K. down 18%
Imports down 11%
Both based on figures compared to same period 2020.
These are official French gov figures ...
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Mine are the ferry and transport companies actual data. Like Boris and Co. regularly prove Political numbers are shy of the truth. |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"How many households can’t afford a leg of lamb at about £30
4 per lamb £120 + rest average price of a lamb £240
My cousin is a farmer
Also a lot of shell fish goes to Asia
A steak cost me £7.50 or £12.00 in the local farm shop
There’s no need for it
Especially with over supply due to increased export costs
Bring uk retail price down to benefit uk residents
I’m sure lots of households can’t afford it given evidence if goid bank use and the point is you have to buy all the produced lamb and fish at the higher original rate or the producer loses money doesn’t he!!
If farmer hours out of business and fisherman moves to the continent how does hat help U.K. consumers ?
No he doesn’t if he exports half of his goods at twice cost he makes same profit leaving 50% to sell at less than cost
Say he makes 10% on the left over 50% he’s 10% better off "
Economic genius on fab .. who knew!, feel free to tell the NFU of your plan they will be delighted your plan will save them. Ha ha |
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"Official French customs analysis shows...
"trade in goods between France and the UK, both exports and imports, has been rising steadily since January and by March was close to normal, allowing for the persistence of the economic consequences of the pandemic"
... as noted earlier in this fest of doom and gloom ... when the dust settles and systems are improved and adjusted - normal service will return . (thumb
Weekly volume data on Transporeon shows exports from the U.K. down 18%
Imports down 11%
Both based on figures compared to same period 2020.
These are official French gov figures ...
Mine are the ferry and transport companies actual data. Like Boris and Co. regularly prove Political numbers are shy of the truth. "
French customs authorities don’t know what’s coming in, going out ? |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"Official French customs analysis shows...
"trade in goods between France and the UK, both exports and imports, has been rising steadily since January and by March was close to normal, allowing for the persistence of the economic consequences of the pandemic"
... as noted earlier in this fest of doom and gloom ... when the dust settles and systems are improved and adjusted - normal service will return . (thumb
Weekly volume data on Transporeon shows exports from the U.K. down 18%
Imports down 11%
Both based on figures compared to same period 2020.
These are official French gov figures ...
Mine are the ferry and transport companies actual data. Like Boris and Co. regularly prove Political numbers are shy of the truth.
French customs authorities don’t know what’s coming in, going out ? "
I’m sure they have a good idea but my numbers were for all imports and exports using Ferry and tunnel. Our trucks are sailing through without checks so the French and certainly the U.K. don’t appear to be counting too well. Remember Gove said no problems at Dover. Yes well they were all being held up elsewhere so avoiding the truth. He said only two thousand truck were rejected in the first weeks of operation. Those 2000 had been cleared as good to go by HMRC after they had been delayed along with the other 20k trucks but still didn’t make it out the country. It’s economybeith the truth . If all is well why are we delaying import checks until next year? |
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"How many households can’t afford a leg of lamb at about £30
4 per lamb £120 + rest average price of a lamb £240
My cousin is a farmer
Also a lot of shell fish goes to Asia
A steak cost me £7.50 or £12.00 in the local farm shop
There’s no need for it
Especially with over supply due to increased export costs
Bring uk retail price down to benefit uk residents
I’m sure lots of households can’t afford it given evidence if goid bank use and the point is you have to buy all the produced lamb and fish at the higher original rate or the producer loses money doesn’t he!!
If farmer hours out of business and fisherman moves to the continent how does hat help U.K. consumers ?
No he doesn’t if he exports half of his goods at twice cost he makes same profit leaving 50% to sell at less than cost
Say he makes 10% on the left over 50% he’s 10% better off
Economic genius on fab .. who knew!, feel free to tell the NFU of your plan they will be delighted your plan will save them. Ha ha "
Simple Bussines
They’ve had it to easy for to long got complacent
First rule of Bussiness innovate change renew or fold |
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"So I employ a Cypriot and a Portuguese guy
They say British lamb is by far better than any European lamb by far
So if they want it as they do everyone wants the best food they can buy ( I watched a video today of a Chinese farm growing melons at £200 each )
Then the farmers can charge that price
Might only sell a fraction of what they did before but getting premium price
Just put it up to cover lost sales
Then sell rest into other markets at attractive price
Excellent . I’m sure the farmers will coin it in with that business plan. Why didn’t they think of it before?. Must be stupid farmers.
No they are not stupid It’s because people won’t pay a premium for it. Sadly
Why do people even bother to use Aldi and Lidl as Fortnum and Mason should be their shop of choice. "
Perhaps you didn’t digest my comments?
Export at a premium they can’t buy British lamb from anywhere else.....
the Dutch do it on produce... Spanish peppers finished normal price £6/10 per box
Dutch only product available this time of year £26 per box
A wholesaler on my market had contacted to supply a small supermarket chain 26 stores lost £5000 in a week because the cost price went up
Sell rest into uk markets no need go Aldi because butchers be able to sell at same price instead of being put out of business by massive buying powers of big brands |
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"Official French customs analysis shows...
"trade in goods between France and the UK, both exports and imports, has been rising steadily since January and by March was close to normal, allowing for the persistence of the economic consequences of the pandemic"
... as noted earlier in this fest of doom and gloom ... when the dust settles and systems are improved and adjusted - normal service will return . (thumb
Weekly volume data on Transporeon shows exports from the U.K. down 18%
Imports down 11%
Both based on figures compared to same period 2020.
These are official French gov figures ...
Mine are the ferry and transport companies actual data. Like Boris and Co. regularly prove Political numbers are shy of the truth. "
If you are concerned about the accuracy of the figures used by Boris, you are questioning the competency of the civil service and the companies supplying the information.
In what areas do you think the compiling of information should be improved . ? |
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"And by the way any driver who’s self employed can turn up at yard and say I’ll do that job for £250.00
When an employee would have to be paid £500 for hours worked
Not so many here now saying they’ll do that
He will have to move around a lot as HMRC will go after haulier for unpaid tax if he’s caught . "
Caught for what he’s a self employed driver all legal and legit no need to hide at all |
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"Official French customs analysis shows...
"trade in goods between France and the UK, both exports and imports, has been rising steadily since January and by March was close to normal, allowing for the persistence of the economic consequences of the pandemic"
... as noted earlier in this fest of doom and gloom ... when the dust settles and systems are improved and adjusted - normal service will return . (thumb
Weekly volume data on Transporeon shows exports from the U.K. down 18%
Imports down 11%
Both based on figures compared to same period 2020.
These are official French gov figures ...
Mine are the ferry and transport companies actual data. Like Boris and Co. regularly prove Political numbers are shy of the truth.
French customs authorities don’t know what’s coming in, going out ?
I’m sure they have a good idea but my numbers were for all imports and exports using Ferry and tunnel. Our trucks are sailing through without checks so the French and certainly the U.K. don’t appear to be counting too well. Remember Gove said no problems at Dover. Yes well they were all being held up elsewhere so avoiding the truth. He said only two thousand truck were rejected in the first weeks of operation. Those 2000 had been cleared as good to go by HMRC after they had been delayed along with the other 20k trucks but still didn’t make it out the country. It’s economybeith the truth . If all is well why are we delaying import checks until next year? "
Maybe you missed the part where I said this information is from French authorities - official reporting of inputs and outputs - capturing everything coming in and going out of the French ports.
Are you suggesting that the official French customs are misreporting the entries and exits to show that trade with U.K. is returning to normal levels .... why would they want to to do that ? 
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"So local hauler Edmundson of Preston on local news says “ can’t go to continent anymore to much paperwork n hassle “
Ah ha I hear the remoners say
But he goes on to say “ I’ve picked up loads of work in the uk because not so many foreign lorries coming in full of cheap desiel and undercutting me ,
So over all Bussiness is up “
Grenada reports
Say wat you guys ???"
Good news and great for the UK haulage industry. In addition shares in Wincanton Logistics have hit a ten year high as investors appear to very confident in the UKs figure. More good news is the FTSE hitting an all time high .
International Hauliers have now adjusted to the changing circumstances and journey delays are no longer an issue. The only people really impacted would be those attempting to transport goods at cut throat prices and who previously benefitted from unrealistic haulage costs . Less international hauliers coming to the UK and committing cabotage at the expense of UK hauliers can only be of a benefit to the UK economy .
The holding company of Stobart Logistics have also announced good results after a very grim period in their history. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
It was pretty obvious that there would be problems at the start,a whole new way of doing business, new forms etc along with confusion by customs officials getting their heads round it all.It does seem (as anyone with any sense could) that over the months the more that has been traded the easier it has become and that people have learned from their mistakes and corrected them. |
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It looks like the air freight industry is another winner .
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However, air freight cargo services have soared due to ocean congestion and sea freight supply chain issues and additional hurdles, with a growth of 200% in January compared to January 2020, making air capacity stretched to the maximum as logistics businesses attempt to find the quickest and most effective solutions. |
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"It looks like the air freight industry is another winner .
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However, air freight cargo services have soared due to ocean congestion and sea freight supply chain issues and additional hurdles, with a growth of 200% in January compared to January 2020, making air capacity stretched to the maximum as logistics businesses attempt to find the quickest and most effective solutions."
Blimey, we've hit peak brexit when more expensive freight that causes more pollution is cited as a win. If only the "ocean congestion and sea freight supply chain issues and additional hurdles" hadn't been created, and we could have continued as we were.
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By *estivalMan
over a year ago
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"It looks like the air freight industry is another winner .
Quote from a logistics website
However, air freight cargo services have soared due to ocean congestion and sea freight supply chain issues and additional hurdles, with a growth of 200% in January compared to January 2020, making air capacity stretched to the maximum as logistics businesses attempt to find the quickest and most effective solutions.
Blimey, we've hit peak brexit when more expensive freight that causes more pollution is cited as a win. If only the "ocean congestion and sea freight supply chain issues and additional hurdles" hadn't been created, and we could have continued as we were.
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If the remain side had used the leave sides playbook mabey they could of convinced enough people to keep the status quo.as someone who had no side in the game all i can say is i think the remain side made the mistake of thinking the vote would go in there favour so didnt take it as seriously as the other side did |
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By *ammskiMan
over a year ago
lytham st.annes |
"It looks like the air freight industry is another winner .
Quote from a logistics website
However, air freight cargo services have soared due to ocean congestion and sea freight supply chain issues and additional hurdles, with a growth of 200% in January compared to January 2020, making air capacity stretched to the maximum as logistics businesses attempt to find the quickest and most effective solutions.
Blimey, we've hit peak brexit when more expensive freight that causes more pollution is cited as a win. If only the "ocean congestion and sea freight supply chain issues and additional hurdles" hadn't been created, and we could have continued as we were.
If the remain side had used the leave sides playbook mabey they could of convinced enough people to keep the status quo.as someone who had no side in the game all i can say is i think the remain side made the mistake of thinking the vote would go in there favour so didnt take it as seriously as the other side did"
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"It looks like the air freight industry is another winner .
Quote from a logistics website
However, air freight cargo services have soared due to ocean congestion and sea freight supply chain issues and additional hurdles, with a growth of 200% in January compared to January 2020, making air capacity stretched to the maximum as logistics businesses attempt to find the quickest and most effective solutions.
Blimey, we've hit peak brexit when more expensive freight that causes more pollution is cited as a win. If only the "ocean congestion and sea freight supply chain issues and additional hurdles" hadn't been created, and we could have continued as we were.
If the remain side had used the leave sides playbook mabey they could of convinced enough people to keep the status quo.as someone who had no side in the game all i can say is i think the remain side made the mistake of thinking the vote would go in there favour so didnt take it as seriously as the other side did"
They definitely underestimated the extent of the decades long anti-EU propaganda.
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By *estivalMan
over a year ago
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"It looks like the air freight industry is another winner .
Quote from a logistics website
However, air freight cargo services have soared due to ocean congestion and sea freight supply chain issues and additional hurdles, with a growth of 200% in January compared to January 2020, making air capacity stretched to the maximum as logistics businesses attempt to find the quickest and most effective solutions.
Blimey, we've hit peak brexit when more expensive freight that causes more pollution is cited as a win. If only the "ocean congestion and sea freight supply chain issues and additional hurdles" hadn't been created, and we could have continued as we were.
If the remain side had used the leave sides playbook mabey they could of convinced enough people to keep the status quo.as someone who had no side in the game all i can say is i think the remain side made the mistake of thinking the vote would go in there favour so didnt take it as seriously as the other side did
They definitely underestimated the extent of the decades long anti-EU propaganda.
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Perhaps they should of been singing the e.us praises more often.lets face it most votes are won and lost on what side has the better propaganda.lets be honest even in the run up to the vote the remain side even admited it wasnt perfect and needed changing.not the greatest thing to say when trying to convince people to stay |
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"It looks like the air freight industry is another winner .
Quote from a logistics website
However, air freight cargo services have soared due to ocean congestion and sea freight supply chain issues and additional hurdles, with a growth of 200% in January compared to January 2020, making air capacity stretched to the maximum as logistics businesses attempt to find the quickest and most effective solutions.
Blimey, we've hit peak brexit when more expensive freight that causes more pollution is cited as a win. If only the "ocean congestion and sea freight supply chain issues and additional hurdles" hadn't been created, and we could have continued as we were.
If the remain side had used the leave sides playbook mabey they could of convinced enough people to keep the status quo.as someone who had no side in the game all i can say is i think the remain side made the mistake of thinking the vote would go in there favour so didnt take it as seriously as the other side did
They definitely underestimated the extent of the decades long anti-EU propaganda.
Perhaps they should of been singing the e.us praises more often.lets face it most votes are won and lost on what side has the better propaganda.lets be honest even in the run up to the vote the remain side even admited it wasnt perfect and needed changing.not the greatest thing to say when trying to convince people to stay"
Completely agree.
Honestly was not, in this case, the winning formula.
There will always be propaganda though. The answer, in my opinion, is to arm the population with the tools to be able to analyse data they receive, sources, agendas etc. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"It looks like the air freight industry is another winner .
Quote from a logistics website
However, air freight cargo services have soared due to ocean congestion and sea freight supply chain issues and additional hurdles, with a growth of 200% in January compared to January 2020, making air capacity stretched to the maximum as logistics businesses attempt to find the quickest and most effective solutions.
Blimey, we've hit peak brexit when more expensive freight that causes more pollution is cited as a win. If only the "ocean congestion and sea freight supply chain issues and additional hurdles" hadn't been created, and we could have continued as we were.
If the remain side had used the leave sides playbook mabey they could of convinced enough people to keep the status quo.as someone who had no side in the game all i can say is i think the remain side made the mistake of thinking the vote would go in there favour so didnt take it as seriously as the other side did
They definitely underestimated the extent of the decades long anti-EU propaganda.
Perhaps they should of been singing the e.us praises more often.lets face it most votes are won and lost on what side has the better propaganda.lets be honest even in the run up to the vote the remain side even admited it wasnt perfect and needed changing.not the greatest thing to say when trying to convince people to stay
Completely agree.
Honestly was not, in this case, the winning formula.
There will always be propaganda though. The answer, in my opinion, is to arm the population with the tools to be able to analyse data they receive, sources, agendas etc."
Do you think the SNP will do that with the next indi vote or follow a winning formula? |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
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"So I employ a Cypriot and a Portuguese guy
They say British lamb is by far better than any European lamb by far
So if they want it as they do everyone wants the best food they can buy ( I watched a video today of a Chinese farm growing melons at £200 each )
Then the farmers can charge that price
Might only sell a fraction of what they did before but getting premium price
Just put it up to cover lost sales
Then sell rest into other markets at attractive price
Excellent . I’m sure the farmers will coin it in with that business plan. Why didn’t they think of it before?. Must be stupid farmers.
No they are not stupid It’s because people won’t pay a premium for it. Sadly
Why do people even bother to use Aldi and Lidl as Fortnum and Mason should be their shop of choice.
Perhaps you didn’t digest my comments?
Export at a premium they can’t buy British lamb from anywhere else.....
the Dutch do it on produce... Spanish peppers finished normal price £6/10 per box
Dutch only product available this time of year £26 per box
A wholesaler on my market had contacted to supply a small supermarket chain 26 stores lost £5000 in a week because the cost price went up
Sell rest into uk markets no need go Aldi because butchers be able to sell at same price instead of being put out of business by massive buying powers of big brands "
Your theory is flawed as the vast majority can’t afford the premium so economics fall over .
People won’t pay over the odds no matter how good the quality .
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"It looks like the air freight industry is another winner .
Quote from a logistics website
However, air freight cargo services have soared due to ocean congestion and sea freight supply chain issues and additional hurdles, with a growth of 200% in January compared to January 2020, making air capacity stretched to the maximum as logistics businesses attempt to find the quickest and most effective solutions.
Blimey, we've hit peak brexit when more expensive freight that causes more pollution is cited as a win. If only the "ocean congestion and sea freight supply chain issues and additional hurdles" hadn't been created, and we could have continued as we were.
If the remain side had used the leave sides playbook mabey they could of convinced enough people to keep the status quo.as someone who had no side in the game all i can say is i think the remain side made the mistake of thinking the vote would go in there favour so didnt take it as seriously as the other side did
They definitely underestimated the extent of the decades long anti-EU propaganda.
Perhaps they should of been singing the e.us praises more often.lets face it most votes are won and lost on what side has the better propaganda.lets be honest even in the run up to the vote the remain side even admited it wasnt perfect and needed changing.not the greatest thing to say when trying to convince people to stay
Completely agree.
Honestly was not, in this case, the winning formula.
There will always be propaganda though. The answer, in my opinion, is to arm the population with the tools to be able to analyse data they receive, sources, agendas etc.Do you think the SNP will do that with the next indi vote or follow a winning formula?"
No clue. I don't follow Scottish politics closely. |
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over a year ago
Manchester |
"It looks like the air freight industry is another winner .
Quote from a logistics website
However, air freight cargo services have soared due to ocean congestion and sea freight supply chain issues and additional hurdles, with a growth of 200% in January compared to January 2020, making air capacity stretched to the maximum as logistics businesses attempt to find the quickest and most effective solutions."
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
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Wonderful how everyone thinks this is settling down and everyone finding there feet. They are finding their way through the minefield of new export processes .
The fact that import rules are being delayed is down to the U.K. government knowing they and logistics can’t cope.
One more little thing assuming all goes really well and the dust settles, the sun comes out etc etc
Can you tell me when my costs will settle down and go back to pre Brexit levels ?? Just curious to know when I can get my profit back. |
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"Wonderful how everyone thinks this is settling down and everyone finding there feet. They are finding their way through the minefield of new export processes .
The fact that import rules are being delayed is down to the U.K. government knowing they and logistics can’t cope.
One more little thing assuming all goes really well and the dust settles, the sun comes out etc etc
Can you tell me when my costs will settle down and go back to pre Brexit levels ?? Just curious to know when I can get my profit back. "
. Are you able to indicate your gross operating margin , net margin and what transport costs are as a percentage of your gross costs . We did not need actual amounts , just percentages. What steps have your competitors taken to address the issue ? |
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over a year ago
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"Wonderful how everyone thinks this is settling down and everyone finding there feet. They are finding their way through the minefield of new export processes .
The fact that import rules are being delayed is down to the U.K. government knowing they and logistics can’t cope.
One more little thing assuming all goes really well and the dust settles, the sun comes out etc etc
Can you tell me when my costs will settle down and go back to pre Brexit levels ?? Just curious to know when I can get my profit back. . Are you able to indicate your gross operating margin , net margin and what transport costs are as a percentage of your gross costs . We did not need actual amounts , just percentages. What steps have your competitors taken to address the issue ? "
Are you able to understand additional costs ?
My main competitors are in Europe so they don’t need to take steps. They have no extra costs to deal with. We take advantage of cheap haulage to export like most U.K. producers but that’s ebbing away.
We have taken steps to alleviate some of the increases by moving more production out of the U.K.. however we need to keep a lot in the U.K. for technical reasons and due the supply into to U.K. market .
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"Wonderful how everyone thinks this is settling down and everyone finding there feet. They are finding their way through the minefield of new export processes .
The fact that import rules are being delayed is down to the U.K. government knowing they and logistics can’t cope.
One more little thing assuming all goes really well and the dust settles, the sun comes out etc etc
Can you tell me when my costs will settle down and go back to pre Brexit levels ?? Just curious to know when I can get my profit back. . Are you able to indicate your gross operating margin , net margin and what transport costs are as a percentage of your gross costs . We did not need actual amounts , just percentages. What steps have your competitors taken to address the issue ?
Are you able to understand additional costs ?
My main competitors are in Europe so they don’t need to take steps. They have no extra costs to deal with. We take advantage of cheap haulage to export like most U.K. producers but that’s ebbing away.
We have taken steps to alleviate some of the increases by moving more production out of the U.K.. however we need to keep a lot in the U.K. for technical reasons and due the supply into to U.K. market .
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Your product profitability rests with the availability of cheap transport costs?
That doesn't sound very healthy, even at the best of times.
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
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"Wonderful how everyone thinks this is settling down and everyone finding there feet. They are finding their way through the minefield of new export processes .
The fact that import rules are being delayed is down to the U.K. government knowing they and logistics can’t cope.
One more little thing assuming all goes really well and the dust settles, the sun comes out etc etc
Can you tell me when my costs will settle down and go back to pre Brexit levels ?? Just curious to know when I can get my profit back. . Are you able to indicate your gross operating margin , net margin and what transport costs are as a percentage of your gross costs . We did not need actual amounts , just percentages. What steps have your competitors taken to address the issue ?
Are you able to understand additional costs ?
My main competitors are in Europe so they don’t need to take steps. They have no extra costs to deal with. We take advantage of cheap haulage to export like most U.K. producers but that’s ebbing away.
We have taken steps to alleviate some of the increases by moving more production out of the U.K.. however we need to keep a lot in the U.K. for technical reasons and due the supply into to U.K. market .
Your product profitability rests with the availability of cheap transport costs?
That doesn't sound very healthy, even at the best of times.
What do you produce?"
Really I’ll take your advice on board but seeing as I have a large business with multiple production site that has traded for 37 years I think I might stick with my own advice if that’s alright with you??
It’s because we aren’t a one truck pony that we can stand the seven figure financial cost impacts of Brexit . Some smaller and limited market business won’t be so fortunate.
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"Wonderful how everyone thinks this is settling down and everyone finding there feet. They are finding their way through the minefield of new export processes .
The fact that import rules are being delayed is down to the U.K. government knowing they and logistics can’t cope.
One more little thing assuming all goes really well and the dust settles, the sun comes out etc etc
Can you tell me when my costs will settle down and go back to pre Brexit levels ?? Just curious to know when I can get my profit back. . Are you able to indicate your gross operating margin , net margin and what transport costs are as a percentage of your gross costs . We did not need actual amounts , just percentages. What steps have your competitors taken to address the issue ?
Are you able to understand additional costs ?
My main competitors are in Europe so they don’t need to take steps. They have no extra costs to deal with. We take advantage of cheap haulage to export like most U.K. producers but that’s ebbing away.
We have taken steps to alleviate some of the increases by moving more production out of the U.K.. however we need to keep a lot in the U.K. for technical reasons and due the supply into to U.K. market .
Your product profitability rests with the availability of cheap transport costs?
That doesn't sound very healthy, even at the best of times.
What do you produce?
Really I’ll take your advice on board but seeing as I have a large business with multiple production site that has traded for 37 years I think I might stick with my own advice if that’s alright with you??
It’s because we aren’t a one truck pony that we can stand the seven figure financial cost impacts of Brexit . Some smaller and limited market business won’t be so fortunate.
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If you are an exporter and Brexit is presenting problems, what impact would a rising sterling have on your business . Not so long ago the exchange rate was 1.40 |
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"Wonderful how everyone thinks this is settling down and everyone finding there feet. They are finding their way through the minefield of new export processes .
The fact that import rules are being delayed is down to the U.K. government knowing they and logistics can’t cope.
One more little thing assuming all goes really well and the dust settles, the sun comes out etc etc
Can you tell me when my costs will settle down and go back to pre Brexit levels ?? Just curious to know when I can get my profit back. . Are you able to indicate your gross operating margin , net margin and what transport costs are as a percentage of your gross costs . We did not need actual amounts , just percentages. What steps have your competitors taken to address the issue ?
Are you able to understand additional costs ?
My main competitors are in Europe so they don’t need to take steps. They have no extra costs to deal with. We take advantage of cheap haulage to export like most U.K. producers but that’s ebbing away.
We have taken steps to alleviate some of the increases by moving more production out of the U.K.. however we need to keep a lot in the U.K. for technical reasons and due the supply into to U.K. market .
Your product profitability rests with the availability of cheap transport costs?
That doesn't sound very healthy, even at the best of times.
What do you produce?
Really I’ll take your advice on board but seeing as I have a large business with multiple production site that has traded for 37 years I think I might stick with my own advice if that’s alright with you??
It’s because we aren’t a one truck pony that we can stand the seven figure financial cost impacts of Brexit . Some smaller and limited market business won’t be so fortunate.
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I wasn't aware of any advice being offered - simply an observation.
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"Wonderful how everyone thinks this is settling down and everyone finding there feet. They are finding their way through the minefield of new export processes .
The fact that import rules are being delayed is down to the U.K. government knowing they and logistics can’t cope.
One more little thing assuming all goes really well and the dust settles, the sun comes out etc etc
Can you tell me when my costs will settle down and go back to pre Brexit levels ?? Just curious to know when I can get my profit back. . Are you able to indicate your gross operating margin , net margin and what transport costs are as a percentage of your gross costs . We did not need actual amounts , just percentages. What steps have your competitors taken to address the issue ?
Are you able to understand additional costs ?
My main competitors are in Europe so they don’t need to take steps. They have no extra costs to deal with. We take advantage of cheap haulage to export like most U.K. producers but that’s ebbing away.
We have taken steps to alleviate some of the increases by moving more production out of the U.K.. however we need to keep a lot in the U.K. for technical reasons and due the supply into to U.K. market .
Your product profitability rests with the availability of cheap transport costs?
That doesn't sound very healthy, even at the best of times.
What do you produce?
Really I’ll take your advice on board but seeing as I have a large business with multiple production site that has traded for 37 years I think I might stick with my own advice if that’s alright with you??
It’s because we aren’t a one truck pony that we can stand the seven figure financial cost impacts of Brexit . Some smaller and limited market business won’t be so fortunate.
If you are an exporter and Brexit is presenting problems, what impact would a rising sterling have on your business . Not so long ago the exchange rate was 1.40 "
Cost is only part of the problem, there is now infineitly more red tape, and non tariff related barriers to trade, the impact of exchange rates is comparatively modest |
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"Wonderful how everyone thinks this is settling down and everyone finding there feet. They are finding their way through the minefield of new export processes .
The fact that import rules are being delayed is down to the U.K. government knowing they and logistics can’t cope.
One more little thing assuming all goes really well and the dust settles, the sun comes out etc etc
Can you tell me when my costs will settle down and go back to pre Brexit levels ?? Just curious to know when I can get my profit back. . Are you able to indicate your gross operating margin , net margin and what transport costs are as a percentage of your gross costs . We did not need actual amounts , just percentages. What steps have your competitors taken to address the issue ?
Are you able to understand additional costs ?
My main competitors are in Europe so they don’t need to take steps. They have no extra costs to deal with. We take advantage of cheap haulage to export like most U.K. producers but that’s ebbing away.
We have taken steps to alleviate some of the increases by moving more production out of the U.K.. however we need to keep a lot in the U.K. for technical reasons and due the supply into to U.K. market .
Your product profitability rests with the availability of cheap transport costs?
That doesn't sound very healthy, even at the best of times.
What do you produce?
Really I’ll take your advice on board but seeing as I have a large business with multiple production site that has traded for 37 years I think I might stick with my own advice if that’s alright with you??
It’s because we aren’t a one truck pony that we can stand the seven figure financial cost impacts of Brexit . Some smaller and limited market business won’t be so fortunate.
If you are an exporter and Brexit is presenting problems, what impact would a rising sterling have on your business . Not so long ago the exchange rate was 1.40 "
Crashing the value of the pound is now a Brexit win?
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"So I employ a Cypriot and a Portuguese guy
They say British lamb is by far better than any European lamb by far
So if they want it as they do everyone wants the best food they can buy ( I watched a video today of a Chinese farm growing melons at £200 each )
Then the farmers can charge that price
Might only sell a fraction of what they did before but getting premium price
Just put it up to cover lost sales
Then sell rest into other markets at attractive price
Excellent . I’m sure the farmers will coin it in with that business plan. Why didn’t they think of it before?. Must be stupid farmers.
No they are not stupid It’s because people won’t pay a premium for it. Sadly
Why do people even bother to use Aldi and Lidl as Fortnum and Mason should be their shop of choice.
Perhaps you didn’t digest my comments?
Export at a premium they can’t buy British lamb from anywhere else.....
the Dutch do it on produce... Spanish peppers finished normal price £6/10 per box
Dutch only product available this time of year £26 per box
A wholesaler on my market had contacted to supply a small supermarket chain 26 stores lost £5000 in a week because the cost price went up
Sell rest into uk markets no need go Aldi because butchers be able to sell at same price instead of being put out of business by massive buying powers of big brands
Your theory is flawed as the vast majority can’t afford the premium so economics fall over .
People won’t pay over the odds no matter how good the quality .
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Wrong I’m selling British strawberries £5 for 300gm
British asparagus £5 300 gm
Spanish strawberries are £1 for 400gm but people always want quality
Peru asparagus £2 for 300gm
Premium products command a premium price why minis when you can sell bentlys ??
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"So I employ a Cypriot and a Portuguese guy
They say British lamb is by far better than any European lamb by far
So if they want it as they do everyone wants the best food they can buy ( I watched a video today of a Chinese farm growing melons at £200 each )
Then the farmers can charge that price
Might only sell a fraction of what they did before but getting premium price
Just put it up to cover lost sales
Then sell rest into other markets at attractive price
Excellent . I’m sure the farmers will coin it in with that business plan. Why didn’t they think of it before?. Must be stupid farmers.
No they are not stupid It’s because people won’t pay a premium for it. Sadly
Why do people even bother to use Aldi and Lidl as Fortnum and Mason should be their shop of choice.
Perhaps you didn’t digest my comments?
Export at a premium they can’t buy British lamb from anywhere else.....
the Dutch do it on produce... Spanish peppers finished normal price £6/10 per box
Dutch only product available this time of year £26 per box
A wholesaler on my market had contacted to supply a small supermarket chain 26 stores lost £5000 in a week because the cost price went up
Sell rest into uk markets no need go Aldi because butchers be able to sell at same price instead of being put out of business by massive buying powers of big brands
Your theory is flawed as the vast majority can’t afford the premium so economics fall over .
People won’t pay over the odds no matter how good the quality .
Wrong I’m selling British strawberries £5 for 300gm
British asparagus £5 300 gm
Spanish strawberries are £1 for 400gm but people always want quality
Peru asparagus £2 for 300gm
Premium products command a premium price why minis when you can sell bentlys ??
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I buy Hugh Lowe farm Stawberries for cheaper than that .
What a Rip off, a fiver for 300 grams .
BTW Hugh Lowe farm supplies Wimbledon tennis
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"Wonderful how everyone thinks this is settling down and everyone finding there feet. They are finding their way through the minefield of new export processes .
The fact that import rules are being delayed is down to the U.K. government knowing they and logistics can’t cope.
One more little thing assuming all goes really well and the dust settles, the sun comes out etc etc
Can you tell me when my costs will settle down and go back to pre Brexit levels ?? Just curious to know when I can get my profit back. . Are you able to indicate your gross operating margin , net margin and what transport costs are as a percentage of your gross costs . We did not need actual amounts , just percentages. What steps have your competitors taken to address the issue ?
Are you able to understand additional costs ?
My main competitors are in Europe so they don’t need to take steps. They have no extra costs to deal with. We take advantage of cheap haulage to export like most U.K. producers but that’s ebbing away.
We have taken steps to alleviate some of the increases by moving more production out of the U.K.. however we need to keep a lot in the U.K. for technical reasons and due the supply into to U.K. market .
"
Mmmm I only make a profit because of cheap transportation to Eu
Suppose those customers have you buy the nuts now
Bent over backwards to get the orders how low can I go
Wrong Bussiness model
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"So I employ a Cypriot and a Portuguese guy
They say British lamb is by far better than any European lamb by far
So if they want it as they do everyone wants the best food they can buy ( I watched a video today of a Chinese farm growing melons at £200 each )
Then the farmers can charge that price
Might only sell a fraction of what they did before but getting premium price
Just put it up to cover lost sales
Then sell rest into other markets at attractive price
Excellent . I’m sure the farmers will coin it in with that business plan. Why didn’t they think of it before?. Must be stupid farmers.
No they are not stupid It’s because people won’t pay a premium for it. Sadly
Why do people even bother to use Aldi and Lidl as Fortnum and Mason should be their shop of choice.
Perhaps you didn’t digest my comments?
Export at a premium they can’t buy British lamb from anywhere else.....
the Dutch do it on produce... Spanish peppers finished normal price £6/10 per box
Dutch only product available this time of year £26 per box
A wholesaler on my market had contacted to supply a small supermarket chain 26 stores lost £5000 in a week because the cost price went up
Sell rest into uk markets no need go Aldi because butchers be able to sell at same price instead of being put out of business by massive buying powers of big brands
Your theory is flawed as the vast majority can’t afford the premium so economics fall over .
People won’t pay over the odds no matter how good the quality .
Wrong I’m selling British strawberries £5 for 300gm
British asparagus £5 300 gm
Spanish strawberries are £1 for 400gm but people always want quality
Peru asparagus £2 for 300gm
Premium products command a premium price why minis when you can sell bentlys ??
I buy Hugh Lowe farm Stawberries for cheaper than that .
What a Rip off, a fiver for 300 grams .
BTW Hugh Lowe farm supplies Wimbledon tennis
"
Chin family sounds Chinese but there a large British grower
Personally I don’t want you custom
Your forgetting it’s April British strawberries packed full of flavour in April
Wonders of modern growers
I could only stock 99p Spanish strawberries but back to my statement
People will always pay for the best
Someone has to sell the best I’m never going to be the cheapest so might as well sell the best no matter what the price
Seems to be working for me just had the best year of my 30 yr career |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"Wonderful how everyone thinks this is settling down and everyone finding there feet. They are finding their way through the minefield of new export processes .
The fact that import rules are being delayed is down to the U.K. government knowing they and logistics can’t cope.
One more little thing assuming all goes really well and the dust settles, the sun comes out etc etc
Can you tell me when my costs will settle down and go back to pre Brexit levels ?? Just curious to know when I can get my profit back. . Are you able to indicate your gross operating margin , net margin and what transport costs are as a percentage of your gross costs . We did not need actual amounts , just percentages. What steps have your competitors taken to address the issue ?
Are you able to understand additional costs ?
My main competitors are in Europe so they don’t need to take steps. They have no extra costs to deal with. We take advantage of cheap haulage to export like most U.K. producers but that’s ebbing away.
We have taken steps to alleviate some of the increases by moving more production out of the U.K.. however we need to keep a lot in the U.K. for technical reasons and due the supply into to U.K. market .
Mmmm I only make a profit because of cheap transportation to Eu
Suppose those customers have you buy the nuts now
Bent over backwards to get the orders how low can I go
Wrong Bussiness model
"
Read the post again. We like other exporters helping the U.K. balance of payments. “Take advantage” of cheap transport costs. It increases the margin. I didn’t mention anything about we only make a profit because of cheap transport. You’re making things up!
Brexit has eaten into profitability due to extra costs imposed by our own government and the increase in distribution costs.
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"So I employ a Cypriot and a Portuguese guy
They say British lamb is by far better than any European lamb by far
So if they want it as they do everyone wants the best food they can buy ( I watched a video today of a Chinese farm growing melons at £200 each )
Then the farmers can charge that price
Might only sell a fraction of what they did before but getting premium price
Just put it up to cover lost sales
Then sell rest into other markets at attractive price
Excellent . I’m sure the farmers will coin it in with that business plan. Why didn’t they think of it before?. Must be stupid farmers.
No they are not stupid It’s because people won’t pay a premium for it. Sadly
Why do people even bother to use Aldi and Lidl as Fortnum and Mason should be their shop of choice.
Perhaps you didn’t digest my comments?
Export at a premium they can’t buy British lamb from anywhere else.....
the Dutch do it on produce... Spanish peppers finished normal price £6/10 per box
Dutch only product available this time of year £26 per box
A wholesaler on my market had contacted to supply a small supermarket chain 26 stores lost £5000 in a week because the cost price went up
Sell rest into uk markets no need go Aldi because butchers be able to sell at same price instead of being put out of business by massive buying powers of big brands
Your theory is flawed as the vast majority can’t afford the premium so economics fall over .
People won’t pay over the odds no matter how good the quality .
Wrong I’m selling British strawberries £5 for 300gm
British asparagus £5 300 gm
Spanish strawberries are £1 for 400gm but people always want quality
Peru asparagus £2 for 300gm
Premium products command a premium price why minis when you can sell bentlys ??
I buy Hugh Lowe farm Stawberries for cheaper than that .
What a Rip off, a fiver for 300 grams .
BTW Hugh Lowe farm supplies Wimbledon tennis
Chin family sounds Chinese but there a large British grower
Personally I don’t want you custom
Your forgetting it’s April British strawberries packed full of flavour in April
Wonders of modern growers
I could only stock 99p Spanish strawberries but back to my statement
People will always pay for the best
Someone has to sell the best I’m never going to be the cheapest so might as well sell the best no matter what the price
Seems to be working for me just had the best year of my 30 yr career "
Some people as you say will pay for the best but not always. Some people can’t afford your premium so will buy what they manage. |
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By *bernathCouple
over a year ago
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"So local hauler Edmundson of Preston on local news says “ can’t go to continent anymore to much paperwork n hassle “
Ah ha I hear the remoners say
But he goes on to say “ I’ve picked up loads of work in the uk because not so many foreign lorries coming in full of cheap desiel and undercutting me ,
So over all Bussiness is up “
Grenada reports
Say wat you guys ???"
The small fish in the ocean has become the big fish in the bowl. Oh well done, clap...clap...clap.... |
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"Latest Deloitte survey of CFOs shows most businesses have faced only mild or no Brexit disruption, and even those who have experienced bigger problems expect them to ease..."
Don't remember this in any of the pro-brexit propaganda.
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"Latest Deloitte survey of CFOs shows most businesses have faced only mild or no Brexit disruption, and even those who have experienced bigger problems expect them to ease..."
Thought we had smooth seamless trade?
Given that less than 10% of U.K. business export or import that survey result is to be expected. Maybe if the survey concentrated on those that actually export and import the report would have been slightly more damning.
Of course they will ease maybe by mid 2022 but they will still add costs which won’t ease or ever go away and that’s hurting GB ltd.
James Dimon the head of JP Morgan has an interesting view.
He warned that the bank is likely to move people out of London and to Europe due to Brexit.
He said Europe "has had, and will continue to have, the upper hand" in Brexit negotiations.
How many move out of the UK depends on still unresolved questions in those talks about how financial services will operate, he said.
"We may reach a tipping point many years out when it may make sense to move all functions that service Europe out of the United Kingdom and into continental Europe," Mr Dimon said.
In the letter, he warned that the split from Europe will hurt the UK's economic prospects in the years ahead.
Brexit was accomplished, but many issues still need to be negotiated. And in those negotiations, Europe has had, and will continue to have, the upper hand, " he said.
"In the short run (ie, the next few years), this cannot possibly be a positive for the United Kingdom's GDP."
Is anyone ever going to turn that oven on as the oven ready deal seems to be a bit raw still?
Boris needs to go and someone who does detail needs to get this mess in at least some order. |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"The dust is settling ....
You either stick your head above the parapet of doom, or become absorbed in an overwhelming fog of self defeatism.
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I want to know when my costs will go down? It’s a straight forward question.
I don’t base business decisions on optimistic sayings like Teething troubles , things will settle down, they are just rhetoric. Business deals in facts and figures. Try telling your mortgage provider if you’ve missed a few payments that the dust will settle and they are being defeatist. I bet I can tell you the outcome!
I can confirm the T1 delays for self drive exports have come down to around 2-4 hours. We still have to pay for the trucks to be delayed and divert. The early days it was up to 24 hour delays so yes absolutely things at HMRC have improved. Ferry companies are still declining certain business as it’s causing congestion at terminals.
We’ve just picked up a €20k euro bill for arguments between the Polish and UK customs which delayed our trucks. The Poles were proved correct but U.K. customs certainly won’t be paying our bill!
Import checks are not happening right now because it would be chaos and cause untold disruption to those imports. Eventually that will also get better as the government will at some point be at least partly capable which again is a positive.
Again I ask when will my extra costs disappear due to new processes brought in by this government?
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By *renzMan
over a year ago
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I realise this thread is about transport costs to the EU and paperwork has come up time after time.
I'd be interested to know how many export or import from outside the EU and how costs compare? Is it more expensive to import/export in the EU now compared to outside? Has it equalised?
As someone who only imports a few times a week from the EU, I can say there has been no change, cost or otherwise. I've previously said this on other threads. A lot of this, I think was because of work done by the supplier many months before the 31st of January.
But for those that export and import larger consignments how has the paperwork and costs increased to by comparison to outside the EU? |
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"The dust is settling ....
You either stick your head above the parapet of doom, or become absorbed in an overwhelming fog of self defeatism.
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Interesting that leavers are now describing Brexit in such depressing terms.
Is the penny dropping? |
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"The dust is settling ....
You either stick your head above the parapet of doom, or become absorbed in an overwhelming fog of self defeatism.
Interesting that leavers are now describing Brexit in such depressing terms.
Is the penny dropping?"
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Seems to me you either adapt and get on with it or you waste time moaning about it. There is a great deal of optimism and evidence that it isn't as bad or going to be as bad as first feared.
The dust will settle....
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"Seems to me you either adapt and get on with it or you waste time moaning about it. There is a great deal of optimism and evidence that it isn't as bad or going to be as bad as first feared.
The dust will settle....
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Come on, I admire your optimism but ‘it isn’t as bad or going to be as bad as first feared’ doesn’t sound like ‘winning’ to me |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"I realise this thread is about transport costs to the EU and paperwork has come up time after time.
I'd be interested to know how many export or import from outside the EU and how costs compare? Is it more expensive to import/export in the EU now compared to outside? Has it equalised?
As someone who only imports a few times a week from the EU, I can say there has been no change, cost or otherwise. I've previously said this on other threads. A lot of this, I think was because of work done by the supplier many months before the 31st of January.
But for those that export and import larger consignments how has the paperwork and costs increased to by comparison to outside the EU?"
There are no checks on imports so all good as very little change . They have been delayed as it would be chairs to introduce now.
Imports would be at a standstill. Our imports just sail through. Customs costs added but no delays as no border so far.
Your supplier will have costs but no transport delays or diverts
The problems on exports were due to manual processes introduced the week of Christmas so no one aware and no planning time. It was a joke !
Other exports to the rest of the world are mostly electronic and much simpler. |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"Seems to me you either adapt and get on with it or you waste time moaning about it. There is a great deal of optimism and evidence that it isn't as bad or going to be as bad as first feared.
The dust will settle....
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Good to see you obviously don’t understand economics and unless things change like tax wise ( not looking good) the U.K. will have costs ongoing over and above the rest of the EU .
It’s ok we will be covered in dust so won’t see!! |
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By *ljamMan
over a year ago
Edinburgh |
"Seems to me you either adapt and get on with it or you waste time moaning about it. There is a great deal of optimism and evidence that it isn't as bad or going to be as bad as first feared.
The dust will settle....
Come on, I admire your optimism but ‘it isn’t as bad or going to be as bad as first feared’ doesn’t sound like ‘winning’ to me "
They should have put that on the side of the bus: "Brexit won't be quite as bad as we fear". I mean what a benchmark for success... what a compelling reason for all the upheaval |
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"Seems to me you either adapt and get on with it or you waste time moaning about it. There is a great deal of optimism and evidence that it isn't as bad or going to be as bad as first feared.
The dust will settle....
Good to see you obviously don’t understand economics and unless things change like tax wise ( not looking good) the U.K. will have costs ongoing over and above the rest of the EU .
It’s ok we will be covered in dust so won’t see!! "
Thats ok, you stick to your brand of optimism.
Business has required some adjustment, and despite the pandemic and effects of the Brexit changes, I am economically no worse off.
The difference with my outlook is I expect this to change upwards, and very happy working in the lane I now have.
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By *ljamMan
over a year ago
Edinburgh |
ONS trade figures for February are out tomorrow... I wonder if they'll provide further evidence of the "success" of brexit. If I was a gambling man I wouldn't bet on it.
I would put money on the fact that some will try to pass the figures off as unimportant or a blip... that'd be some fucking blip. Perhaps the longest and costliest ongoing blip in history! |
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"ONS trade figures for February are out tomorrow... I wonder if they'll provide further evidence of the "success" of brexit. If I was a gambling man I wouldn't bet on it.
I would put money on the fact that some will try to pass the figures off as unimportant or a blip... that'd be some fucking blip. Perhaps the longest and costliest ongoing blip in history!"
2 months (Jan & Feb) would be the longest, costliest blip in history? |
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By *ljamMan
over a year ago
Edinburgh |
"ONS trade figures for February are out tomorrow... I wonder if they'll provide further evidence of the "success" of brexit. If I was a gambling man I wouldn't bet on it.
I would put money on the fact that some will try to pass the figures off as unimportant or a blip... that'd be some fucking blip. Perhaps the longest and costliest ongoing blip in history!
2 months (Jan & Feb) would be the longest, costliest blip in history? "
You think trade has just been hit in Jan & Feb?! |
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"ONS trade figures for February are out tomorrow... I wonder if they'll provide further evidence of the "success" of brexit. If I was a gambling man I wouldn't bet on it.
I would put money on the fact that some will try to pass the figures off as unimportant or a blip... that'd be some fucking blip. Perhaps the longest and costliest ongoing blip in history!
2 months (Jan & Feb) would be the longest, costliest blip in history?
You think trade has just been hit in Jan & Feb?! "
The customs issues have only been Jan & Feb |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"Seems to me you either adapt and get on with it or you waste time moaning about it. There is a great deal of optimism and evidence that it isn't as bad or going to be as bad as first feared.
The dust will settle....
Good to see you obviously don’t understand economics and unless things change like tax wise ( not looking good) the U.K. will have costs ongoing over and above the rest of the EU .
It’s ok we will be covered in dust so won’t see!!
Thats ok, you stick to your brand of optimism.
Business has required some adjustment, and despite the pandemic and effects of the Brexit changes, I am economically no worse off.
The difference with my outlook is I expect this to change upwards, and very happy working in the lane I now have.
"
You have to be an optimist to be in business as you take risks . So always optimistic. This is nothing to do with optimism it’s the costs I now have that I didn’t have before which erodes competitiveness against my EU competition and the costs are down to my own governments actions.
That’s my beef!!!
I will still make profits but at what cost??
Less profit means less investment and less jobs . That’s a reason to be wary of thinking it will be alright “hopefully”
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"Seems to me you either adapt and get on with it or you waste time moaning about it. There is a great deal of optimism and evidence that it isn't as bad or going to be as bad as first feared.
The dust will settle....
Good to see you obviously don’t understand economics and unless things change like tax wise ( not looking good) the U.K. will have costs ongoing over and above the rest of the EU .
It’s ok we will be covered in dust so won’t see!!
Thats ok, you stick to your brand of optimism.
Business has required some adjustment, and despite the pandemic and effects of the Brexit changes, I am economically no worse off.
The difference with my outlook is I expect this to change upwards, and very happy working in the lane I now have.
You have to be an optimist to be in business as you take risks . So always optimistic. This is nothing to do with optimism it’s the costs I now have that I didn’t have before which erodes competitiveness against my EU competition and the costs are down to my own governments actions.
That’s my beef!!!
I will still make profits but at what cost??
Less profit means less investment and less jobs . That’s a reason to be wary of thinking it will be alright “hopefully”
"
Most of my experience has been gained from careful calculated risk taking.
Channel that with an optimist outlook and there is absolutely no reason to believe costs increase and profits dwindle to the point where investment is curtailed.
My business interests are doing ok and have not been impacted by the change in business landscape . I guess the overall impact varies between sectors.
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By *ljamMan
over a year ago
Edinburgh |
"ONS trade figures for February are out tomorrow... I wonder if they'll provide further evidence of the "success" of brexit. If I was a gambling man I wouldn't bet on it.
I would put money on the fact that some will try to pass the figures off as unimportant or a blip... that'd be some fucking blip. Perhaps the longest and costliest ongoing blip in history!
2 months (Jan & Feb) would be the longest, costliest blip in history?
You think trade has just been hit in Jan & Feb?!
The customs issues have only been Jan & Feb "
The customs issues are a small if significant part of the picture... but I often see that those extolling the benefits of brexit tend to focus on smaller details (often relying on anecdote and personal experience), probably because the big picture looks pretty bad. |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"Seems to me you either adapt and get on with it or you waste time moaning about it. There is a great deal of optimism and evidence that it isn't as bad or going to be as bad as first feared.
The dust will settle....
Good to see you obviously don’t understand economics and unless things change like tax wise ( not looking good) the U.K. will have costs ongoing over and above the rest of the EU .
It’s ok we will be covered in dust so won’t see!!
Thats ok, you stick to your brand of optimism.
Business has required some adjustment, and despite the pandemic and effects of the Brexit changes, I am economically no worse off.
The difference with my outlook is I expect this to change upwards, and very happy working in the lane I now have.
You have to be an optimist to be in business as you take risks . So always optimistic. This is nothing to do with optimism it’s the costs I now have that I didn’t have before which erodes competitiveness against my EU competition and the costs are down to my own governments actions.
That’s my beef!!!
I will still make profits but at what cost??
Less profit means less investment and less jobs . That’s a reason to be wary of thinking it will be alright “hopefully”
Most of my experience has been gained from careful calculated risk taking.
Channel that with an optimist outlook and there is absolutely no reason to believe costs increase and profits dwindle to the point where investment is curtailed.
My business interests are doing ok and have not been impacted by the change in business landscape . I guess the overall impact varies between sectors.
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"Seems to me you either adapt and get on with it or you waste time moaning about it. There is a great deal of optimism and evidence that it isn't as bad or going to be as bad as first feared.
The dust will settle....
Good to see you obviously don’t understand economics and unless things change like tax wise ( not looking good) the U.K. will have costs ongoing over and above the rest of the EU .
It’s ok we will be covered in dust so won’t see!!
Thats ok, you stick to your brand of optimism.
Business has required some adjustment, and despite the pandemic and effects of the Brexit changes, I am economically no worse off.
The difference with my outlook is I expect this to change upwards, and very happy working in the lane I now have.
You have to be an optimist to be in business as you take risks . So always optimistic. This is nothing to do with optimism it’s the costs I now have that I didn’t have before which erodes competitiveness against my EU competition and the costs are down to my own governments actions.
That’s my beef!!!
I will still make profits but at what cost??
Less profit means less investment and less jobs . That’s a reason to be wary of thinking it will be alright “hopefully”
Most of my experience has been gained from careful calculated risk taking.
Channel that with an optimist outlook and there is absolutely no reason to believe costs increase and profits dwindle to the point where investment is curtailed.
My business interests are doing ok and have not been impacted by the change in business landscape . I guess the overall impact varies between sectors.
So do you export and I don’t mean the odd parcel or pallet?"
Yes |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"Seems to me you either adapt and get on with it or you waste time moaning about it. There is a great deal of optimism and evidence that it isn't as bad or going to be as bad as first feared.
The dust will settle....
Good to see you obviously don’t understand economics and unless things change like tax wise ( not looking good) the U.K. will have costs ongoing over and above the rest of the EU .
It’s ok we will be covered in dust so won’t see!!
Thats ok, you stick to your brand of optimism.
Business has required some adjustment, and despite the pandemic and effects of the Brexit changes, I am economically no worse off.
The difference with my outlook is I expect this to change upwards, and very happy working in the lane I now have.
You have to be an optimist to be in business as you take risks . So always optimistic. This is nothing to do with optimism it’s the costs I now have that I didn’t have before which erodes competitiveness against my EU competition and the costs are down to my own governments actions.
That’s my beef!!!
I will still make profits but at what cost??
Less profit means less investment and less jobs . That’s a reason to be wary of thinking it will be alright “hopefully”
Most of my experience has been gained from careful calculated risk taking.
Channel that with an optimist outlook and there is absolutely no reason to believe costs increase and profits dwindle to the point where investment is curtailed.
My business interests are doing ok and have not been impacted by the change in business landscape . I guess the overall impact varies between sectors.
So do you export and I don’t mean the odd parcel or pallet?
Yes"
Ok so assuming you mean the EU
You are telling me nothing has changed ?
No extra costs and no delays ?
Can you make a shipping company you use to verify they’ve had no problems? |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"Seems to me you either adapt and get on with it or you waste time moaning about it. There is a great deal of optimism and evidence that it isn't as bad or going to be as bad as first feared.
The dust will settle....
Good to see you obviously don’t understand economics and unless things change like tax wise ( not looking good) the U.K. will have costs ongoing over and above the rest of the EU .
It’s ok we will be covered in dust so won’t see!!
Thats ok, you stick to your brand of optimism.
Business has required some adjustment, and despite the pandemic and effects of the Brexit changes, I am economically no worse off.
The difference with my outlook is I expect this to change upwards, and very happy working in the lane I now have.
You have to be an optimist to be in business as you take risks . So always optimistic. This is nothing to do with optimism it’s the costs I now have that I didn’t have before which erodes competitiveness against my EU competition and the costs are down to my own governments actions.
That’s my beef!!!
I will still make profits but at what cost??
Less profit means less investment and less jobs . That’s a reason to be wary of thinking it will be alright “hopefully”
Most of my experience has been gained from careful calculated risk taking.
Channel that with an optimist outlook and there is absolutely no reason to believe costs increase and profits dwindle to the point where investment is curtailed.
My business interests are doing ok and have not been impacted by the change in business landscape . I guess the overall impact varies between sectors.
So do you export and I don’t mean the odd parcel or pallet?
Yes
Ok so assuming you mean the EU
You are telling me nothing has changed ?
No extra costs and no delays ?
Can you make a shipping company you use to verify they’ve had no problems? "
Name a shipping sorry typo
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"Seems to me you either adapt and get on with it or you waste time moaning about it. There is a great deal of optimism and evidence that it isn't as bad or going to be as bad as first feared.
The dust will settle....
Good to see you obviously don’t understand economics and unless things change like tax wise ( not looking good) the U.K. will have costs ongoing over and above the rest of the EU .
It’s ok we will be covered in dust so won’t see!!
Thats ok, you stick to your brand of optimism.
Business has required some adjustment, and despite the pandemic and effects of the Brexit changes, I am economically no worse off.
The difference with my outlook is I expect this to change upwards, and very happy working in the lane I now have.
You have to be an optimist to be in business as you take risks . So always optimistic. This is nothing to do with optimism it’s the costs I now have that I didn’t have before which erodes competitiveness against my EU competition and the costs are down to my own governments actions.
That’s my beef!!!
I will still make profits but at what cost??
Less profit means less investment and less jobs . That’s a reason to be wary of thinking it will be alright “hopefully”
Most of my experience has been gained from careful calculated risk taking.
Channel that with an optimist outlook and there is absolutely no reason to believe costs increase and profits dwindle to the point where investment is curtailed.
My business interests are doing ok and have not been impacted by the change in business landscape . I guess the overall impact varies between sectors.
So do you export and I don’t mean the odd parcel or pallet?
Yes
Ok so assuming you mean the EU
You are telling me nothing has changed ?
No extra costs and no delays ?
Can you make a shipping company you use to verify they’ve had no problems?
Name a shipping sorry typo
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"Seems to me you either adapt and get on with it or you waste time moaning about it. There is a great deal of optimism and evidence that it isn't as bad or going to be as bad as first feared.
The dust will settle....
Good to see you obviously don’t understand economics and unless things change like tax wise ( not looking good) the U.K. will have costs ongoing over and above the rest of the EU .
It’s ok we will be covered in dust so won’t see!!
Thats ok, you stick to your brand of optimism.
Business has required some adjustment, and despite the pandemic and effects of the Brexit changes, I am economically no worse off.
The difference with my outlook is I expect this to change upwards, and very happy working in the lane I now have.
You have to be an optimist to be in business as you take risks . So always optimistic. This is nothing to do with optimism it’s the costs I now have that I didn’t have before which erodes competitiveness against my EU competition and the costs are down to my own governments actions.
That’s my beef!!!
I will still make profits but at what cost??
Less profit means less investment and less jobs . That’s a reason to be wary of thinking it will be alright “hopefully”
Most of my experience has been gained from careful calculated risk taking.
Channel that with an optimist outlook and there is absolutely no reason to believe costs increase and profits dwindle to the point where investment is curtailed.
My business interests are doing ok and have not been impacted by the change in business landscape . I guess the overall impact varies between sectors.
So do you export and I don’t mean the odd parcel or pallet?
Yes
Ok so assuming you mean the EU
You are telling me nothing has changed ?
No extra costs and no delays ?
Can you make a shipping company you use to verify they’ve had no problems? "
I don’t believe I said nothing had changed or there were no extra costs and delays .
Read what I’ve said instead of responding to your own impression of what it is you don’t know what my business does.
What is it you produce/manufacture ?
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"Seems to me you either adapt and get on with it or you waste time moaning about it. There is a great deal of optimism and evidence that it isn't as bad or going to be as bad as first feared.
The dust will settle....
Good to see you obviously don’t understand economics and unless things change like tax wise ( not looking good) the U.K. will have costs ongoing over and above the rest of the EU .
It’s ok we will be covered in dust so won’t see!!
Thats ok, you stick to your brand of optimism.
Business has required some adjustment, and despite the pandemic and effects of the Brexit changes, I am economically no worse off.
The difference with my outlook is I expect this to change upwards, and very happy working in the lane I now have.
You have to be an optimist to be in business as you take risks . So always optimistic. This is nothing to do with optimism it’s the costs I now have that I didn’t have before which erodes competitiveness against my EU competition and the costs are down to my own governments actions.
That’s my beef!!!
I will still make profits but at what cost??
Less profit means less investment and less jobs . That’s a reason to be wary of thinking it will be alright “hopefully”
Most of my experience has been gained from careful calculated risk taking.
Channel that with an optimist outlook and there is absolutely no reason to believe costs increase and profits dwindle to the point where investment is curtailed.
My business interests are doing ok and have not been impacted by the change in business landscape . I guess the overall impact varies between sectors.
So do you export and I don’t mean the odd parcel or pallet?
Yes
Ok so assuming you mean the EU
You are telling me nothing has changed ?
No extra costs and no delays ?
Can you make a shipping company you use to verify they’ve had no problems?
I don’t believe I said nothing had changed or there were no extra costs and delays .
Read what I’ve said instead of responding to your own impression of what it is you don’t know what my business does.
What is it you produce/manufacture ?
"
Your words not mine so responding to what you said so don’t get stroppy!!
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‘My business interests are doing ok and have not been impacted by the change in business landscape .”
That’s pretty unequivocal not been impacted !! Either you have additional costs or you don’t !
I can’t disclose what we make as that lets out too much and we are a varied group so it wouldn’t benefit the debate. Not all our divisions are affected .
The purely U.K. business is only struggling a little with imported parts price increases due to customs. No major delays . Transport costs are rising though.
The products we import we have so far shared increased costs on. We play currency due to European locations and it’s a profit centre so doesn’t impact us as a business as hard as some. Swings and roundabouts there ! |
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By *renzMan
over a year ago
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"I realise this thread is about transport costs to the EU and paperwork has come up time after time.
I'd be interested to know how many export or import from outside the EU and how costs compare? Is it more expensive to import/export in the EU now compared to outside? Has it equalised?
As someone who only imports a few times a week from the EU, I can say there has been no change, cost or otherwise. I've previously said this on other threads. A lot of this, I think was because of work done by the supplier many months before the 31st of January.
But for those that export and import larger consignments how has the paperwork and costs increased to by comparison to outside the EU?
There are no checks on imports so all good as very little change . They have been delayed as it would be chairs to introduce now.
Imports would be at a standstill. Our imports just sail through. Customs costs added but no delays as no border so far.
Your supplier will have costs but no transport delays or diverts
The problems on exports were due to manual processes introduced the week of Christmas so no one aware and no planning time. It was a joke !
Other exports to the rest of the world are mostly electronic and much simpler. "
Thanks for that, always good to hear from those with experience.
So when trade with the EU catches up with how trade with the rest of the world works, electronically etc hopefully it will work similarly. Much simpler.
It does seem as if the national political infighting over the last four years has added to the problem, with business not being able to plan. Rightly or wrongly, Brexit should have been accepted and we should have started negotiating a month after the result, aiming to leave January 17. Rather than the prolonged will we, won't we that happened between the result and this year. The status quo seemed preferable to many businesses despite knowing we were going to leave. Eventually. Then rush everything through at the last minute. |
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"Seems to me you either adapt and get on with it or you waste time moaning about it. There is a great deal of optimism and evidence that it isn't as bad or going to be as bad as first feared.
The dust will settle....
Good to see you obviously don’t understand economics and unless things change like tax wise ( not looking good) the U.K. will have costs ongoing over and above the rest of the EU .
It’s ok we will be covered in dust so won’t see!!
Thats ok, you stick to your brand of optimism.
Business has required some adjustment, and despite the pandemic and effects of the Brexit changes, I am economically no worse off.
The difference with my outlook is I expect this to change upwards, and very happy working in the lane I now have.
You have to be an optimist to be in business as you take risks . So always optimistic. This is nothing to do with optimism it’s the costs I now have that I didn’t have before which erodes competitiveness against my EU competition and the costs are down to my own governments actions.
That’s my beef!!!
I will still make profits but at what cost??
Less profit means less investment and less jobs . That’s a reason to be wary of thinking it will be alright “hopefully”
Most of my experience has been gained from careful calculated risk taking.
Channel that with an optimist outlook and there is absolutely no reason to believe costs increase and profits dwindle to the point where investment is curtailed.
My business interests are doing ok and have not been impacted by the change in business landscape . I guess the overall impact varies between sectors.
So do you export and I don’t mean the odd parcel or pallet?
Yes
Ok so assuming you mean the EU
You are telling me nothing has changed ?
No extra costs and no delays ?
Can you make a shipping company you use to verify they’ve had no problems?
I don’t believe I said nothing had changed or there were no extra costs and delays .
Read what I’ve said instead of responding to your own impression of what it is you don’t know what my business does.
What is it you produce/manufacture ?
Your words not mine so responding to what you said so don’t get stroppy!!
I quote
‘My business interests are doing ok and have not been impacted by the change in business landscape .”
That’s pretty unequivocal not been impacted !! Either you have additional costs or you don’t !
I can’t disclose what we make as that lets out too much and we are a varied group so it wouldn’t benefit the debate. Not all our divisions are affected .
The purely U.K. business is only struggling a little with imported parts price increases due to customs. No major delays . Transport costs are rising though.
The products we import we have so far shared increased costs on. We play currency due to European locations and it’s a profit centre so doesn’t impact us as a business as hard as some. Swings and roundabouts there ! "
Yes, doing ok. Profitable - yes.
Impacted, no - contracts and orders continue and will do so as long as the adapted model provides the customers with the product they want.
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"Seems to me you either adapt and get on with it or you waste time moaning about it. There is a great deal of optimism and evidence that it isn't as bad or going to be as bad as first feared.
The dust will settle....
Good to see you obviously don’t understand economics and unless things change like tax wise ( not looking good) the U.K. will have costs ongoing over and above the rest of the EU .
It’s ok we will be covered in dust so won’t see!!
Thats ok, you stick to your brand of optimism.
Business has required some adjustment, and despite the pandemic and effects of the Brexit changes, I am economically no worse off.
The difference with my outlook is I expect this to change upwards, and very happy working in the lane I now have.
You have to be an optimist to be in business as you take risks . So always optimistic. This is nothing to do with optimism it’s the costs I now have that I didn’t have before which erodes competitiveness against my EU competition and the costs are down to my own governments actions.
That’s my beef!!!
I will still make profits but at what cost??
Less profit means less investment and less jobs . That’s a reason to be wary of thinking it will be alright “hopefully”
Most of my experience has been gained from careful calculated risk taking.
Channel that with an optimist outlook and there is absolutely no reason to believe costs increase and profits dwindle to the point where investment is curtailed.
My business interests are doing ok and have not been impacted by the change in business landscape . I guess the overall impact varies between sectors.
So do you export and I don’t mean the odd parcel or pallet?
Yes
Ok so assuming you mean the EU
You are telling me nothing has changed ?
No extra costs and no delays ?
Can you make a shipping company you use to verify they’ve had no problems?
I don’t believe I said nothing had changed or there were no extra costs and delays .
Read what I’ve said instead of responding to your own impression of what it is you don’t know what my business does.
What is it you produce/manufacture ?
Your words not mine so responding to what you said so don’t get stroppy!!
I quote
‘My business interests are doing ok and have not been impacted by the change in business landscape .”
That’s pretty unequivocal not been impacted !! Either you have additional costs or you don’t !
I can’t disclose what we make as that lets out too much and we are a varied group so it wouldn’t benefit the debate. Not all our divisions are affected .
The purely U.K. business is only struggling a little with imported parts price increases due to customs. No major delays . Transport costs are rising though.
The products we import we have so far shared increased costs on. We play currency due to European locations and it’s a profit centre so doesn’t impact us as a business as hard as some. Swings and roundabouts there !
Yes, doing ok. Profitable - yes.
Impacted, no - contracts and orders continue and will do so as long as the adapted model provides the customers with the product they want.
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Yes so some costs and issues but your will continue . Ultimately no benefit from Brexit to see just negatives to feel with whether through other cost reductions or price increases to recover the margin.
My point exactly. Brexit has cost us both however you wrap it up.
I do wish you well in all seriousness . Hard work deserves reward .
Have a good evening .
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"I realise this thread is about transport costs to the EU and paperwork has come up time after time.
I'd be interested to know how many export or import from outside the EU and how costs compare? Is it more expensive to import/export in the EU now compared to outside? Has it equalised?
As someone who only imports a few times a week from the EU, I can say there has been no change, cost or otherwise. I've previously said this on other threads. A lot of this, I think was because of work done by the supplier many months before the 31st of January.
But for those that export and import larger consignments how has the paperwork and costs increased to by comparison to outside the EU?
There are no checks on imports so all good as very little change . They have been delayed as it would be chairs to introduce now.
Imports would be at a standstill. Our imports just sail through. Customs costs added but no delays as no border so far.
Your supplier will have costs but no transport delays or diverts
The problems on exports were due to manual processes introduced the week of Christmas so no one aware and no planning time. It was a joke !
Other exports to the rest of the world are mostly electronic and much simpler.
Thanks for that, always good to hear from those with experience.
So when trade with the EU catches up with how trade with the rest of the world works, electronically etc hopefully it will work similarly. Much simpler.
It does seem as if the national political infighting over the last four years has added to the problem, with business not being able to plan. Rightly or wrongly, Brexit should have been accepted and we should have started negotiating a month after the result, aiming to leave January 17. Rather than the prolonged will we, won't we that happened between the result and this year. The status quo seemed preferable to many businesses despite knowing we were going to leave. Eventually. Then rush everything through at the last minute. "
This is a catastrophic misrepresentation of what happened during the year or so after the referendum.
The priority was to create a plan on how to exit and what type of deal the UK should get with the EU. The Tories spend most of the time in an internal power struggle until eventually Boris back stabbed his way to the top. Then put forward Mays deal (which he has previously voted against) forward as his own.
Meanwhile article 50 was trigged before they had a clue what they wanted to do.
Shambles. |
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By *ammskiMan
over a year ago
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"I realise this thread is about transport costs to the EU and paperwork has come up time after time.
I'd be interested to know how many export or import from outside the EU and how costs compare? Is it more expensive to import/export in the EU now compared to outside? Has it equalised?
As someone who only imports a few times a week from the EU, I can say there has been no change, cost or otherwise. I've previously said this on other threads. A lot of this, I think was because of work done by the supplier many months before the 31st of January.
But for those that export and import larger consignments how has the paperwork and costs increased to by comparison to outside the EU?
There are no checks on imports so all good as very little change . They have been delayed as it would be chairs to introduce now.
Imports would be at a standstill. Our imports just sail through. Customs costs added but no delays as no border so far.
Your supplier will have costs but no transport delays or diverts
The problems on exports were due to manual processes introduced the week of Christmas so no one aware and no planning time. It was a joke !
Other exports to the rest of the world are mostly electronic and much simpler.
Thanks for that, always good to hear from those with experience.
So when trade with the EU catches up with how trade with the rest of the world works, electronically etc hopefully it will work similarly. Much simpler.
It does seem as if the national political infighting over the last four years has added to the problem, with business not being able to plan. Rightly or wrongly, Brexit should have been accepted and we should have started negotiating a month after the result, aiming to leave January 17. Rather than the prolonged will we, won't we that happened between the result and this year. The status quo seemed preferable to many businesses despite knowing we were going to leave. Eventually. Then rush everything through at the last minute.
This is a catastrophic misrepresentation of what happened during the year or so after the referendum.
The priority was to create a plan on how to exit and what type of deal the UK should get with the EU. The Tories spend most of the time in an internal power struggle until eventually Boris back stabbed his way to the top. Then put forward Mays deal (which he has previously voted against) forward as his own.
Meanwhile article 50 was trigged before they had a clue what they wanted to do.
Shambles."
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By *renzMan
over a year ago
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"I realise this thread is about transport costs to the EU and paperwork has come up time after time.
I'd be interested to know how many export or import from outside the EU and how costs compare? Is it more expensive to import/export in the EU now compared to outside? Has it equalised?
As someone who only imports a few times a week from the EU, I can say there has been no change, cost or otherwise. I've previously said this on other threads. A lot of this, I think was because of work done by the supplier many months before the 31st of January.
But for those that export and import larger consignments how has the paperwork and costs increased to by comparison to outside the EU?
There are no checks on imports so all good as very little change . They have been delayed as it would be chairs to introduce now.
Imports would be at a standstill. Our imports just sail through. Customs costs added but no delays as no border so far.
Your supplier will have costs but no transport delays or diverts
The problems on exports were due to manual processes introduced the week of Christmas so no one aware and no planning time. It was a joke !
Other exports to the rest of the world are mostly electronic and much simpler.
Thanks for that, always good to hear from those with experience.
So when trade with the EU catches up with how trade with the rest of the world works, electronically etc hopefully it will work similarly. Much simpler.
It does seem as if the national political infighting over the last four years has added to the problem, with business not being able to plan. Rightly or wrongly, Brexit should have been accepted and we should have started negotiating a month after the result, aiming to leave January 17. Rather than the prolonged will we, won't we that happened between the result and this year. The status quo seemed preferable to many businesses despite knowing we were going to leave. Eventually. Then rush everything through at the last minute.
This is a catastrophic misrepresentation of what happened during the year or so after the referendum.
The priority was to create a plan on how to exit and what type of deal the UK should get with the EU. The Tories spend most of the time in an internal power struggle until eventually Boris back stabbed his way to the top. Then put forward Mays deal (which he has previously voted against) forward as his own.
Meanwhile article 50 was trigged before they had a clue what they wanted to do.
Shambles."
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"I realise this thread is about transport costs to the EU and paperwork has come up time after time.
I'd be interested to know how many export or import from outside the EU and how costs compare? Is it more expensive to import/export in the EU now compared to outside? Has it equalised?
As someone who only imports a few times a week from the EU, I can say there has been no change, cost or otherwise. I've previously said this on other threads. A lot of this, I think was because of work done by the supplier many months before the 31st of January.
But for those that export and import larger consignments how has the paperwork and costs increased to by comparison to outside the EU?
There are no checks on imports so all good as very little change . They have been delayed as it would be chairs to introduce now.
Imports would be at a standstill. Our imports just sail through. Customs costs added but no delays as no border so far.
Your supplier will have costs but no transport delays or diverts
The problems on exports were due to manual processes introduced the week of Christmas so no one aware and no planning time. It was a joke !
Other exports to the rest of the world are mostly electronic and much simpler.
Thanks for that, always good to hear from those with experience.
So when trade with the EU catches up with how trade with the rest of the world works, electronically etc hopefully it will work similarly. Much simpler.
It does seem as if the national political infighting over the last four years has added to the problem, with business not being able to plan. Rightly or wrongly, Brexit should have been accepted and we should have started negotiating a month after the result, aiming to leave January 17. Rather than the prolonged will we, won't we that happened between the result and this year. The status quo seemed preferable to many businesses despite knowing we were going to leave. Eventually. Then rush everything through at the last minute.
This is a catastrophic misrepresentation of what happened during the year or so after the referendum.
The priority was to create a plan on how to exit and what type of deal the UK should get with the EU. The Tories spend most of the time in an internal power struggle until eventually Boris back stabbed his way to the top. Then put forward Mays deal (which he has previously voted against) forward as his own.
Meanwhile article 50 was trigged before they had a clue what they wanted to do.
Shambles.
How has import/export from into the EU impacted your business? "
Didn't like my response to your points?
The business I work for was impacted from the day after the referendum. But we don't import/export goods. So the extra red tape introduced by brexit as not had an additional detrimental effect. |
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By *renzMan
over a year ago
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No, it was a genuine query.
If I hadn't liked your answer I more likely would have said that it was more likely down to Gina, the majority of the Labour party, the lib Dems, a conservative minority and weak prime minister's in Cameron and may, prolonging the agony and uncertainty for businesses by trying to overturn the result of the referendum. They still thought they could do that up until the last general election, after which most of them lost their jobs.
That's what I would have said. But you wouldn't have liked the answer, so I didn't. Round and round. |
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"No, it was a genuine query.
If I hadn't liked your answer I more likely would have said that it was more likely down to Gina, the majority of the Labour party, the lib Dems, a conservative minority and weak prime minister's in Cameron and may, prolonging the agony and uncertainty for businesses by trying to overturn the result of the referendum. They still thought they could do that up until the last general election, after which most of them lost their jobs.
That's what I would have said. But you wouldn't have liked the answer, so I didn't. Round and round."
Ha. No it's funny. I do enjoy brexiteers blaming everything and everyone else apart from the government and brexit, for all the problems caused by the government and brexit.
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"No, it was a genuine query.
If I hadn't liked your answer I more likely would have said that it was more likely down to Gina, the majority of the Labour party, the lib Dems, a conservative minority and weak prime minister's in Cameron and may, prolonging the agony and uncertainty for businesses by trying to overturn the result of the referendum. They still thought they could do that up until the last general election, after which most of them lost their jobs.
That's what I would have said. But you wouldn't have liked the answer, so I didn't. Round and round.
Ha. No it's funny. I do enjoy brexiteers blaming everything and everyone else apart from the government and brexit, for all the problems caused by the government and brexit.
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I think you'll find Brexit was 'caused' by a majority voting leave in a referendum. |
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"No, it was a genuine query.
If I hadn't liked your answer I more likely would have said that it was more likely down to Gina, the majority of the Labour party, the lib Dems, a conservative minority and weak prime minister's in Cameron and may, prolonging the agony and uncertainty for businesses by trying to overturn the result of the referendum. They still thought they could do that up until the last general election, after which most of them lost their jobs.
That's what I would have said. But you wouldn't have liked the answer, so I didn't. Round and round.
Ha. No it's funny. I do enjoy brexiteers blaming everything and everyone else apart from the government and brexit, for all the problems caused by the government and brexit.
I think you'll find Brexit was 'caused' by a majority voting leave in a referendum."
We were discussing the problems caused by brexit.
But if you want to talk about what caused brexit itself, it was decades of anti-EU propaganda, plus anti-immigrant rhetoric pumped out by the right wing media, combined with illegally funded leave campaigns which misinformed the electorate. |
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ONS release today - Bounce in UK exports to the EU in February - up 46.6% month on month - further evidence that trade is recovering from the drop in January.
Exports (both to EU and rest of world) still lower than this time last year month, just before covid, however the expectation is this should turn positive in next months figures.
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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yep exports up £3.7 billion on January and imports up £1.2 billion still down on last year but they have no idea what the covid effect has had,we will have to wait for next months figures to see if the trend continues. |
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By *renzMan
over a year ago
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"No, it was a genuine query.
If I hadn't liked your answer I more likely would have said that it was more likely down to Gina, the majority of the Labour party, the lib Dems, a conservative minority and weak prime minister's in Cameron and may, prolonging the agony and uncertainty for businesses by trying to overturn the result of the referendum. They still thought they could do that up until the last general election, after which most of them lost their jobs.
That's what I would have said. But you wouldn't have liked the answer, so I didn't. Round and round.
Ha. No it's funny. I do enjoy brexiteers blaming everything and everyone else apart from the government and brexit, for all the problems caused by the government and brexit.
I think you'll find Brexit was 'caused' by a majority voting leave in a referendum.
We were discussing the problems caused by brexit.
But if you want to talk about what caused brexit itself, it was decades of anti-EU propaganda, plus anti-immigrant rhetoric pumped out by the right wing media, combined with illegally funded leave campaigns which misinformed the electorate. "
Now you know that's not true. As many lies told on both sides.
Round and round. |
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"No, it was a genuine query.
If I hadn't liked your answer I more likely would have said that it was more likely down to Gina, the majority of the Labour party, the lib Dems, a conservative minority and weak prime minister's in Cameron and may, prolonging the agony and uncertainty for businesses by trying to overturn the result of the referendum. They still thought they could do that up until the last general election, after which most of them lost their jobs.
That's what I would have said. But you wouldn't have liked the answer, so I didn't. Round and round.
Ha. No it's funny. I do enjoy brexiteers blaming everything and everyone else apart from the government and brexit, for all the problems caused by the government and brexit.
I think you'll find Brexit was 'caused' by a majority voting leave in a referendum.
We were discussing the problems caused by brexit.
But if you want to talk about what caused brexit itself, it was decades of anti-EU propaganda, plus anti-immigrant rhetoric pumped out by the right wing media, combined with illegally funded leave campaigns which misinformed the electorate.
Now you know that's not true. As many lies told on both sides.
Round and round."
But you brought up who is to blame for brexit. Not me.
I think it's cynical to blame the people who were lied to, rather than those who lied to them. |
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"It looks like the air freight industry is another winner .
Quote from a logistics website
However, air freight cargo services have soared due to ocean congestion and sea freight supply chain issues and additional hurdles, with a growth of 200% in January compared to January 2020, making air capacity stretched to the maximum as logistics businesses attempt to find the quickest and most effective solutions.
Blimey, we've hit peak brexit when more expensive freight that causes more pollution is cited as a win. If only the "ocean congestion and sea freight supply chain issues and additional hurdles" hadn't been created, and we could have continued as we were.
If the remain side had used the leave sides playbook mabey they could of convinced enough people to keep the status quo.as someone who had no side in the game all i can say is i think the remain side made the mistake of thinking the vote would go in there favour so didnt take it as seriously as the other side did
They definitely underestimated the extent of the decades long anti-EU propaganda.
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We listened to what Wedgewood Benn said about it and made our own minds up from there. |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
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"ONS release today - Bounce in UK exports to the EU in February - up 46.6% month on month - further evidence that trade is recovering from the drop in January.
Exports (both to EU and rest of world) still lower than this time last year month, just before covid, however the expectation is this should turn positive in next months figures.
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Yes Covid is going away which is good news I agree.
The bounce is also due to the pre Brexit stockpiles running out. So non perishable good back on order books, but even allowing for that, trade will be down as will GDP due solely to Brexit. Also funny how we’re keeping the borders open with no checks still. Why is that if all is going so well?
Interesting quote hidden away in those BBC articles you referenced. PLEASE NOTE Governments own analysis.
“Much-vaunted trade deals with countries including the US, Australia, New Zealand and others have not yet arrived and the government's own analysis said deals with all of them would add less than 1% to UK GDP in 15 years' time and fail to offset the hit to trade with the EU.”
Depressing knowing the government are aware it’s bad for us yet plough on regardless. Referendums are not a good way to govern. Popularism over the need for reality government.
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"No, it was a genuine query.
If I hadn't liked your answer I more likely would have said that it was more likely down to Gina, the majority of the Labour party, the lib Dems, a conservative minority and weak prime minister's in Cameron and may, prolonging the agony and uncertainty for businesses by trying to overturn the result of the referendum. They still thought they could do that up until the last general election, after which most of them lost their jobs.
That's what I would have said. But you wouldn't have liked the answer, so I didn't. Round and round.
Ha. No it's funny. I do enjoy brexiteers blaming everything and everyone else apart from the government and brexit, for all the problems caused by the government and brexit.
I think you'll find Brexit was 'caused' by a majority voting leave in a referendum.
We were discussing the problems caused by brexit.
But if you want to talk about what caused brexit itself, it was decades of anti-EU propaganda, plus anti-immigrant rhetoric pumped out by the right wing media, combined with illegally funded leave campaigns which misinformed the electorate. "
Let me just find the worlds smallest violin
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