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"Most people will pretty much say false to all of that, at the same time most people will struggle to name a less racist country than Glorious Britannia. " That is true and is certainly my lived experience since coming here. However the Uk can do better and should strive to do so. Being less racist is still racist. | |||
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"Most people will pretty much say false to all of that, at the same time most people will struggle to name a less racist country than Glorious Britannia. That is true and is certainly my lived experience since coming here. However the Uk can do better and should strive to do so. Being less racist is still racist. " Exactly, let's show the world this leadership we keep speaking about. | |||
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"Its weird. In some ways we are incredibly welcoming to people from overseas and we are an island built on immigration, but there is without a doubt a nasty undercurrent of rampant xenophobia which Brexit has exposed and the current lot play on." And yet it's the more woke remainer tendency who have been the most vociferous about manning the machineguns and shutting the borders to covid. | |||
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"Its weird. In some ways we are incredibly welcoming to people from overseas and we are an island built on immigration, but there is without a doubt a nasty undercurrent of rampant xenophobia which Brexit has exposed and the current lot play on. And yet it's the more woke remainer tendency who have been the most vociferous about manning the machineguns and shutting the borders to covid. " Oh no, we are being prejudiced to the virus now! Surely it's a pretty sensible precaution to protect the population. One that should have been done properly ages ago. We'd be in a very different position if we had. Might even be able to go on holiday to Europe, instead of them all talking about locking us out. | |||
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"Its weird. In some ways we are incredibly welcoming to people from overseas and we are an island built on immigration, but there is without a doubt a nasty undercurrent of rampant xenophobia which Brexit has exposed and the current lot play on. And yet it's the more woke remainer tendency who have been the most vociferous about manning the machineguns and shutting the borders to covid. Oh no, we are being prejudiced to the virus now! Surely it's a pretty sensible precaution to protect the population. One that should have been done properly ages ago. We'd be in a very different position if we had. Might even be able to go on holiday to Europe, instead of them all talking about locking us out." which countries are talking about locking us out then ? | |||
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"Its weird. In some ways we are incredibly welcoming to people from overseas and we are an island built on immigration, but there is without a doubt a nasty undercurrent of rampant xenophobia which Brexit has exposed and the current lot play on. And yet it's the more woke remainer tendency who have been the most vociferous about manning the machineguns and shutting the borders to covid. Oh no, we are being prejudiced to the virus now! Surely it's a pretty sensible precaution to protect the population. One that should have been done properly ages ago. We'd be in a very different position if we had. Might even be able to go on holiday to Europe, instead of them all talking about locking us out.which countries are talking about locking us out then ?" Germany | |||
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"Its weird. In some ways we are incredibly welcoming to people from overseas and we are an island built on immigration, but there is without a doubt a nasty undercurrent of rampant xenophobia which Brexit has exposed and the current lot play on. And yet it's the more woke remainer tendency who have been the most vociferous about manning the machineguns and shutting the borders to covid. Oh no, we are being prejudiced to the virus now! Surely it's a pretty sensible precaution to protect the population. One that should have been done properly ages ago. We'd be in a very different position if we had. Might even be able to go on holiday to Europe, instead of them all talking about locking us out.which countries are talking about locking us out then ? Germany " aw well that’s my hols fucked then lol lots of brits be fucking wounded they can’t go to the German costas lol | |||
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"Its weird. In some ways we are incredibly welcoming to people from overseas and we are an island built on immigration, but there is without a doubt a nasty undercurrent of rampant xenophobia which Brexit has exposed and the current lot play on. And yet it's the more woke remainer tendency who have been the most vociferous about manning the machineguns and shutting the borders to covid. Oh no, we are being prejudiced to the virus now! Surely it's a pretty sensible precaution to protect the population. One that should have been done properly ages ago. We'd be in a very different position if we had. Might even be able to go on holiday to Europe, instead of them all talking about locking us out.which countries are talking about locking us out then ? Germany aw well that’s my hols fucked then lol lots of brits be fucking wounded they can’t go to the German costas lol " It goes a little wider: Austria, Belgium, Czech Republic, Finland, Germany, Hungary, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Norway, Switzerland, Slovakia, Sweden. We were from France, but I can't find if that has been lifted. | |||
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"Its weird. In some ways we are incredibly welcoming to people from overseas and we are an island built on immigration, but there is without a doubt a nasty undercurrent of rampant xenophobia which Brexit has exposed and the current lot play on. And yet it's the more woke remainer tendency who have been the most vociferous about manning the machineguns and shutting the borders to covid. Oh no, we are being prejudiced to the virus now! Surely it's a pretty sensible precaution to protect the population. One that should have been done properly ages ago. We'd be in a very different position if we had. Might even be able to go on holiday to Europe, instead of them all talking about locking us out.which countries are talking about locking us out then ? Germany aw well that’s my hols fucked then lol lots of brits be fucking wounded they can’t go to the German costas lol" Your missing the point, Germany want the rest of the EU countries to ban British tourists as well, they are very influential in the EU | |||
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"Its weird. In some ways we are incredibly welcoming to people from overseas and we are an island built on immigration, but there is without a doubt a nasty undercurrent of rampant xenophobia which Brexit has exposed and the current lot play on. And yet it's the more woke remainer tendency who have been the most vociferous about manning the machineguns and shutting the borders to covid. Oh no, we are being prejudiced to the virus now! Surely it's a pretty sensible precaution to protect the population. One that should have been done properly ages ago. We'd be in a very different position if we had. Might even be able to go on holiday to Europe, instead of them all talking about locking us out.which countries are talking about locking us out then ? Germany aw well that’s my hols fucked then lol lots of brits be fucking wounded they can’t go to the German costas lol Your missing the point, Germany want the rest of the EU countries to ban British tourists as well, they are very influential in the EU " 
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"Its weird. In some ways we are incredibly welcoming to people from overseas and we are an island built on immigration, but there is without a doubt a nasty undercurrent of rampant xenophobia which Brexit has exposed and the current lot play on. And yet it's the more woke remainer tendency who have been the most vociferous about manning the machineguns and shutting the borders to covid. Oh no, we are being prejudiced to the virus now! Surely it's a pretty sensible precaution to protect the population. One that should have been done properly ages ago. We'd be in a very different position if we had. Might even be able to go on holiday to Europe, instead of them all talking about locking us out.which countries are talking about locking us out then ? Germany aw well that’s my hols fucked then lol lots of brits be fucking wounded they can’t go to the German costas lol Your missing the point, Germany want the rest of the EU countries to ban British tourists as well, they are very influential in the EU " aw I know they a little to influential I’d say | |||
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"Its weird. In some ways we are incredibly welcoming to people from overseas and we are an island built on immigration, but there is without a doubt a nasty undercurrent of rampant xenophobia which Brexit has exposed and the current lot play on. And yet it's the more woke remainer tendency who have been the most vociferous about manning the machineguns and shutting the borders to covid. Oh no, we are being prejudiced to the virus now! Surely it's a pretty sensible precaution to protect the population. One that should have been done properly ages ago. We'd be in a very different position if we had. Might even be able to go on holiday to Europe, instead of them all talking about locking us out.which countries are talking about locking us out then ? Germany aw well that’s my hols fucked then lol lots of brits be fucking wounded they can’t go to the German costas lol Your missing the point, Germany want the rest of the EU countries to ban British tourists as well, they are very influential in the EU aw I know they a little to influential I’d say " I thought it was a club of equals | |||
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"People suffer no discrimination due to the colour of their skin. True/False? False , People do suffer discrimination due to the colour of their skin If anyone does suffer any discrimination it is very minor and makes no difference to their lives. True/False? False, Steven Lawrence , no more need to be said Nothing needs to be done to reduce racial descrimination. True/False? False , plenty still needs to be done They boo taking the knee ffs ! Racial descrimination receives too much attention. True/False? False it needs to be called out each & everytime it happens . " | |||
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"It's okay for people to receive verbal or physical abuse because the UK is "less racist" than other countries. True/False? It's not a problem that people have more negative educational, economic, legal and medical outcomes because the UK is "less racist" than other countries. True/False? The victims of prejudice should not protest or highlight the matter because the UK is "less racist" than other countries. Teue/False?" All forms if discrimination are wrong. Anti Semitic, racism, discriminating against disabilities, mental health, education ect ect its simply wrong | |||
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"As I have said in past threads…. Patting yourself on the back for being “least racist” does mean that racism doesn’t exist……. So before there can be solutions… there has to be acknowledgement….." Very true though I not heard people say it does not exist but saying its improving and going in the right direction. Wish we could just flick switch and it goes away but that's not realistic. Personally I'm glad we are in a country that's improving on the issue. Better than the other way around. Still get some that think discrimination is only relevant against folk of colour but that too seems to be improving too | |||
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"People suffer no discrimination due to the colour of their skin. True/False? If anyone does suffer any discrimination it is very minor and makes no difference to their lives. True/False? Nothing needs to be done to reduce racial descrimination. True/False? Racial descrimination receives too much attention. True/False?" Easyuk is racebaiting ,causing division True | |||
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"It's okay for people to receive verbal or physical abuse because the UK is "less racist" than other countries. True/False? It's not a problem that people have more negative educational, economic, legal and medical outcomes because the UK is "less racist" than other countries. True/False? The victims of prejudice should not protest or highlight the matter because the UK is "less racist" than other countries. Teue/False?" The uk is not racist, however people can be. Racism is not exclusive to any colour or race of people. People will always have prejudice of some sort it part of being human, Every one is entitled to peaceful protest in the uk, however it does not give anyone or any group the right to shout down any alternative opinions that they do not agree with. There is a fine line between free speach and abusive language which can be perceived differently by every individual. | |||
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"It's okay for people to receive verbal or physical abuse because the UK is "less racist" than other countries. True/False? It's not a problem that people have more negative educational, economic, legal and medical outcomes because the UK is "less racist" than other countries. True/False? The victims of prejudice should not protest or highlight the matter because the UK is "less racist" than other countries. Teue/False? The uk is not racist, however people can be. Racism is not exclusive to any colour or race of people. People will always have prejudice of some sort it part of being human, Every one is entitled to peaceful protest in the uk, however it does not give anyone or any group the right to shout down any alternative opinions that they do not agree with. There is a fine line between free speach and abusive language which can be perceived differently by every individual. " I would suggest the institutions and society of the UK are racist. From education through justice, to business. In much the same way the UK is sexist. The disparity in the stats bears it out. Proportionally more black people in prison, proportionally less black people at top universities, etc. Etc. | |||
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"The media highlights a narrative which is both disingenuous and xenophobic , because it detracts from tue greed and corruption which keeps wealth of a few growing , and makes the lowest paid fiot tye bill , everyone from gypsy roma, disabled , pensioners , the mentally ill, ,single people who are pro choice , trans , have all been kicked around by the media , the government is trying to introduce more legislation to stifle public debate and dissent via direct action, or protest! All the while cuts to the NHS are being distracted from by blaming an immigrant workforce without whom the NHS would have gone under decades ago, if you can now serve longer tariff for throwing a bronze cast of a plantation owner in the avon than for unconsentingi intercouse, we are a racist country , our laws are enabling racism , and our people refuse to apologise for racist roots in its colonial past! Or acknowledge it, someone yesterday even stated britains invention of and use of concentration camps wasnt so bad , because we didnt gas the inhabitants like the fucking nazis! The house across the street i noticed tonight , has three THREEunion jacks outside and the c@@@ has a bumper sticker with a white power hand sign on it , hes gonna get a potato up his exhaust before the weekend is done!Racism is not just present and active , its becoming more evident that the stupid and entitled use it to defpect from their own lazy , stupid and corrupt behaviours ! " How do tge people today apologise for the country's colonial past | |||
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"The media highlights a narrative which is both disingenuous and xenophobic , because it detracts from tue greed and corruption which keeps wealth of a few growing , and makes the lowest paid fiot tye bill , everyone from gypsy roma, disabled , pensioners , the mentally ill, ,single people who are pro choice , trans , have all been kicked around by the media , the government is trying to introduce more legislation to stifle public debate and dissent via direct action, or protest! All the while cuts to the NHS are being distracted from by blaming an immigrant workforce without whom the NHS would have gone under decades ago, if you can now serve longer tariff for throwing a bronze cast of a plantation owner in the avon than for unconsentingi intercouse, we are a racist country , our laws are enabling racism , and our people refuse to apologise for racist roots in its colonial past! Or acknowledge it, someone yesterday even stated britains invention of and use of concentration camps wasnt so bad , because we didnt gas the inhabitants like the fucking nazis! The house across the street i noticed tonight , has three THREEunion jacks outside and the c@@@ has a bumper sticker with a white power hand sign on it , hes gonna get a potato up his exhaust before the weekend is done!Racism is not just present and active , its becoming more evident that the stupid and entitled use it to defpect from their own lazy , stupid and corrupt behaviours ! How do tge people today apologise for the country's colonial past" By learning about it. All of it, not cherry picking the nice parts and getting defensive about the dark elements. History is History. | |||
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"Its weird. In some ways we are incredibly welcoming to people from overseas and we are an island built on immigration, but there is without a doubt a nasty undercurrent of rampant xenophobia which Brexit has exposed and the current lot play on. And yet it's the more woke remainer tendency who have been the most vociferous about manning the machineguns and shutting the borders to covid. Oh no, we are being prejudiced to the virus now! Surely it's a pretty sensible precaution to protect the population. One that should have been done properly ages ago. We'd be in a very different position if we had. Might even be able to go on holiday to Europe, instead of them all talking about locking us out.which countries are talking about locking us out then ? Germany aw well that’s my hols fucked then lol lots of brits be fucking wounded they can’t go to the German costas lol Your missing the point, Germany want the rest of the EU countries to ban British tourists as well, they are very influential in the EU " Germany tried to ban the British Tourists to their country in 1945 and it didn’t go too well for them then. | |||
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"The media highlights a narrative which is both disingenuous and xenophobic , because it detracts from tue greed and corruption which keeps wealth of a few growing , and makes the lowest paid fiot tye bill , everyone from gypsy roma, disabled , pensioners , the mentally ill, ,single people who are pro choice , trans , have all been kicked around by the media , the government is trying to introduce more legislation to stifle public debate and dissent via direct action, or protest! All the while cuts to the NHS are being distracted from by blaming an immigrant workforce without whom the NHS would have gone under decades ago, if you can now serve longer tariff for throwing a bronze cast of a plantation owner in the avon than for unconsentingi intercouse, we are a racist country , our laws are enabling racism , and our people refuse to apologise for racist roots in its colonial past! Or acknowledge it, someone yesterday even stated britains invention of and use of concentration camps wasnt so bad , because we didnt gas the inhabitants like the fucking nazis! The house across the street i noticed tonight , has three THREEunion jacks outside and the c@@@ has a bumper sticker with a white power hand sign on it , hes gonna get a potato up his exhaust before the weekend is done!Racism is not just present and active , its becoming more evident that the stupid and entitled use it to defpect from their own lazy , stupid and corrupt behaviours ! How do tge people today apologise for the country's colonial past By learning about it. All of it, not cherry picking the nice parts and getting defensive about the dark elements. History is History." I will happily defend all of our Empire past. Which bit is troubling you? | |||
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"And adding to that, racism is not limited to White people. I have seen men from other races having racist view about White women. I have seen bigotry against the LGBT community among non-white communities. Is that a problem? Yes. Is the problem big enough to fill news channels and sports events with messages against this behaviour? No. " great posts  | |||
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"The media highlights a narrative which is both disingenuous and xenophobic , because it detracts from tue greed and corruption which keeps wealth of a few growing , and makes the lowest paid fiot tye bill , everyone from gypsy roma, disabled , pensioners , the mentally ill, ,single people who are pro choice , trans , have all been kicked around by the media , the government is trying to introduce more legislation to stifle public debate and dissent via direct action, or protest! All the while cuts to the NHS are being distracted from by blaming an immigrant workforce without whom the NHS would have gone under decades ago, if you can now serve longer tariff for throwing a bronze cast of a plantation owner in the avon than for unconsentingi intercouse, we are a racist country , our laws are enabling racism , and our people refuse to apologise for racist roots in its colonial past! Or acknowledge it, someone yesterday even stated britains invention of and use of concentration camps wasnt so bad , because we didnt gas the inhabitants like the fucking nazis! The house across the street i noticed tonight , has three THREEunion jacks outside and the c@@@ has a bumper sticker with a white power hand sign on it , hes gonna get a potato up his exhaust before the weekend is done!Racism is not just present and active , its becoming more evident that the stupid and entitled use it to defpect from their own lazy , stupid and corrupt behaviours ! How do tge people today apologise for the country's colonial past By learning about it. All of it, not cherry picking the nice parts and getting defensive about the dark elements. History is History. I will happily defend all of our Empire past. Which bit is troubling you?" Case and point. 
The treatment of the windrush generation. I’ll wait... | |||
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"The media highlights a narrative which is both disingenuous and xenophobic , because it detracts from tue greed and corruption which keeps wealth of a few growing , and makes the lowest paid fiot tye bill , everyone from gypsy roma, disabled , pensioners , the mentally ill, ,single people who are pro choice , trans , have all been kicked around by the media , the government is trying to introduce more legislation to stifle public debate and dissent via direct action, or protest! All the while cuts to the NHS are being distracted from by blaming an immigrant workforce without whom the NHS would have gone under decades ago, if you can now serve longer tariff for throwing a bronze cast of a plantation owner in the avon than for unconsentingi intercouse, we are a racist country , our laws are enabling racism , and our people refuse to apologise for racist roots in its colonial past! Or acknowledge it, someone yesterday even stated britains invention of and use of concentration camps wasnt so bad , because we didnt gas the inhabitants like the fucking nazis! The house across the street i noticed tonight , has three THREEunion jacks outside and the c@@@ has a bumper sticker with a white power hand sign on it , hes gonna get a potato up his exhaust before the weekend is done!Racism is not just present and active , its becoming more evident that the stupid and entitled use it to defpect from their own lazy , stupid and corrupt behaviours ! How do tge people today apologise for the country's colonial past By learning about it. All of it, not cherry picking the nice parts and getting defensive about the dark elements. History is History. I will happily defend all of our Empire past. Which bit is troubling you? Case and point.
The treatment of the windrush generation. I’ll wait..."50 years after the Empire…. Anything concurrent ? | |||
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"The media highlights a narrative which is both disingenuous and xenophobic , because it detracts from tue greed and corruption which keeps wealth of a few growing , and makes the lowest paid fiot tye bill , everyone from gypsy roma, disabled , pensioners , the mentally ill, ,single people who are pro choice , trans , have all been kicked around by the media , the government is trying to introduce more legislation to stifle public debate and dissent via direct action, or protest! All the while cuts to the NHS are being distracted from by blaming an immigrant workforce without whom the NHS would have gone under decades ago, if you can now serve longer tariff for throwing a bronze cast of a plantation owner in the avon than for unconsentingi intercouse, we are a racist country , our laws are enabling racism , and our people refuse to apologise for racist roots in its colonial past! Or acknowledge it, someone yesterday even stated britains invention of and use of concentration camps wasnt so bad , because we didnt gas the inhabitants like the fucking nazis! The house across the street i noticed tonight , has three THREEunion jacks outside and the c@@@ has a bumper sticker with a white power hand sign on it , hes gonna get a potato up his exhaust before the weekend is done!Racism is not just present and active , its becoming more evident that the stupid and entitled use it to defpect from their own lazy , stupid and corrupt behaviours ! How do tge people today apologise for the country's colonial past By learning about it. All of it, not cherry picking the nice parts and getting defensive about the dark elements. History is History. I will happily defend all of our Empire past. Which bit is troubling you? Case and point.
The treatment of the windrush generation. I’ll wait..."After he has defended windrush, I think there a few massacres in India I might want to have a word with him about as well…. | |||
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"The media highlights a narrative which is both disingenuous and xenophobic , because it detracts from tue greed and corruption which keeps wealth of a few growing , and makes the lowest paid fiot tye bill , everyone from gypsy roma, disabled , pensioners , the mentally ill, ,single people who are pro choice , trans , have all been kicked around by the media , the government is trying to introduce more legislation to stifle public debate and dissent via direct action, or protest! All the while cuts to the NHS are being distracted from by blaming an immigrant workforce without whom the NHS would have gone under decades ago, if you can now serve longer tariff for throwing a bronze cast of a plantation owner in the avon than for unconsentingi intercouse, we are a racist country , our laws are enabling racism , and our people refuse to apologise for racist roots in its colonial past! Or acknowledge it, someone yesterday even stated britains invention of and use of concentration camps wasnt so bad , because we didnt gas the inhabitants like the fucking nazis! The house across the street i noticed tonight , has three THREEunion jacks outside and the c@@@ has a bumper sticker with a white power hand sign on it , hes gonna get a potato up his exhaust before the weekend is done!Racism is not just present and active , its becoming more evident that the stupid and entitled use it to defpect from their own lazy , stupid and corrupt behaviours ! How do tge people today apologise for the country's colonial past By learning about it. All of it, not cherry picking the nice parts and getting defensive about the dark elements. History is History. I will happily defend all of our Empire past. Which bit is troubling you? Case and point.
The treatment of the windrush generation. I’ll wait...
After he has defended windrush, I think there a few massacres in India I might want to have a word with him about as well…. "And that whole “boer concentration camp” thing…. That’s a toughie!!! | |||
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"The media highlights a narrative which is both disingenuous and xenophobic , because it detracts from tue greed and corruption which keeps wealth of a few growing , and makes the lowest paid fiot tye bill , everyone from gypsy roma, disabled , pensioners , the mentally ill, ,single people who are pro choice , trans , have all been kicked around by the media , the government is trying to introduce more legislation to stifle public debate and dissent via direct action, or protest! All the while cuts to the NHS are being distracted from by blaming an immigrant workforce without whom the NHS would have gone under decades ago, if you can now serve longer tariff for throwing a bronze cast of a plantation owner in the avon than for unconsentingi intercouse, we are a racist country , our laws are enabling racism , and our people refuse to apologise for racist roots in its colonial past! Or acknowledge it, someone yesterday even stated britains invention of and use of concentration camps wasnt so bad , because we didnt gas the inhabitants like the fucking nazis! The house across the street i noticed tonight , has three THREEunion jacks outside and the c@@@ has a bumper sticker with a white power hand sign on it , hes gonna get a potato up his exhaust before the weekend is done!Racism is not just present and active , its becoming more evident that the stupid and entitled use it to defpect from their own lazy , stupid and corrupt behaviours ! How do tge people today apologise for the country's colonial past By learning about it. All of it, not cherry picking the nice parts and getting defensive about the dark elements. History is History. I will happily defend all of our Empire past. Which bit is troubling you? Case and point.
The treatment of the windrush generation. I’ll wait...
After he has defended windrush, I think there a few massacres in India I might want to have a word with him about as well….
And that whole “boer concentration camp” thing…. That’s a toughie!!!"Damn… how can I forget the mau mau uprising!!!! | |||
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"The media highlights a narrative which is both disingenuous and xenophobic , because it detracts from tue greed and corruption which keeps wealth of a few growing , and makes the lowest paid fiot tye bill , everyone from gypsy roma, disabled , pensioners , the mentally ill, ,single people who are pro choice , trans , have all been kicked around by the media , the government is trying to introduce more legislation to stifle public debate and dissent via direct action, or protest! All the while cuts to the NHS are being distracted from by blaming an immigrant workforce without whom the NHS would have gone under decades ago, if you can now serve longer tariff for throwing a bronze cast of a plantation owner in the avon than for unconsentingi intercouse, we are a racist country , our laws are enabling racism , and our people refuse to apologise for racist roots in its colonial past! Or acknowledge it, someone yesterday even stated britains invention of and use of concentration camps wasnt so bad , because we didnt gas the inhabitants like the fucking nazis! The house across the street i noticed tonight , has three THREEunion jacks outside and the c@@@ has a bumper sticker with a white power hand sign on it , hes gonna get a potato up his exhaust before the weekend is done!Racism is not just present and active , its becoming more evident that the stupid and entitled use it to defpect from their own lazy , stupid and corrupt behaviours ! How do tge people today apologise for the country's colonial past By learning about it. All of it, not cherry picking the nice parts and getting defensive about the dark elements. History is History. I will happily defend all of our Empire past. Which bit is troubling you? Case and point.
The treatment of the windrush generation. I’ll wait...
After he has defended windrush, I think there a few massacres in India I might want to have a word with him about as well….
And that whole “boer concentration camp” thing…. That’s a toughie!!!
Damn… how can I forget the mau mau uprising!!!!"Not forgetting that whole “beginning with slav and ending with ery” thing…. Ooh…. | |||
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"The media highlights a narrative which is both disingenuous and xenophobic , because it detracts from tue greed and corruption which keeps wealth of a few growing , and makes the lowest paid fiot tye bill , everyone from gypsy roma, disabled , pensioners , the mentally ill, ,single people who are pro choice , trans , have all been kicked around by the media , the government is trying to introduce more legislation to stifle public debate and dissent via direct action, or protest! All the while cuts to the NHS are being distracted from by blaming an immigrant workforce without whom the NHS would have gone under decades ago, if you can now serve longer tariff for throwing a bronze cast of a plantation owner in the avon than for unconsentingi intercouse, we are a racist country , our laws are enabling racism , and our people refuse to apologise for racist roots in its colonial past! Or acknowledge it, someone yesterday even stated britains invention of and use of concentration camps wasnt so bad , because we didnt gas the inhabitants like the fucking nazis! The house across the street i noticed tonight , has three THREEunion jacks outside and the c@@@ has a bumper sticker with a white power hand sign on it , hes gonna get a potato up his exhaust before the weekend is done!Racism is not just present and active , its becoming more evident that the stupid and entitled use it to defpect from their own lazy , stupid and corrupt behaviours ! How do tge people today apologise for the country's colonial past By learning about it. All of it, not cherry picking the nice parts and getting defensive about the dark elements. History is History." Totally agree that history lessons are very important and as you say not cherry picking. However it does not answer the question I asked | |||
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"The media highlights a narrative which is both disingenuous and xenophobic , because it detracts from tue greed and corruption which keeps wealth of a few growing , and makes the lowest paid fiot tye bill , everyone from gypsy roma, disabled , pensioners , the mentally ill, ,single people who are pro choice , trans , have all been kicked around by the media , the government is trying to introduce more legislation to stifle public debate and dissent via direct action, or protest! All the while cuts to the NHS are being distracted from by blaming an immigrant workforce without whom the NHS would have gone under decades ago, if you can now serve longer tariff for throwing a bronze cast of a plantation owner in the avon than for unconsentingi intercouse, we are a racist country , our laws are enabling racism , and our people refuse to apologise for racist roots in its colonial past! Or acknowledge it, someone yesterday even stated britains invention of and use of concentration camps wasnt so bad , because we didnt gas the inhabitants like the fucking nazis! The house across the street i noticed tonight , has three THREEunion jacks outside and the c@@@ has a bumper sticker with a white power hand sign on it , hes gonna get a potato up his exhaust before the weekend is done!Racism is not just present and active , its becoming more evident that the stupid and entitled use it to defpect from their own lazy , stupid and corrupt behaviours ! How do tge people today apologise for the country's colonial past By learning about it. All of it, not cherry picking the nice parts and getting defensive about the dark elements. History is History. Totally agree that history lessons are very important and as you say not cherry picking. However it does not answer the question I asked" By standing against those who ignore the bad bits perhaps ? | |||
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"A member of the majority population is best placed to understand the daily, lived experience of a minority. True/False? The rhetoric of politicians and the press does not influence what is considered permissable behavior by the public. True/False? Government policy does not effect how prejudice is permitted or experienced by minority groups. True/False?" False True True | |||
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"The media highlights a narrative which is both disingenuous and xenophobic , because it detracts from tue greed and corruption which keeps wealth of a few growing , and makes the lowest paid fiot tye bill , everyone from gypsy roma, disabled , pensioners , the mentally ill, ,single people who are pro choice , trans , have all been kicked around by the media , the government is trying to introduce more legislation to stifle public debate and dissent via direct action, or protest! All the while cuts to the NHS are being distracted from by blaming an immigrant workforce without whom the NHS would have gone under decades ago, if you can now serve longer tariff for throwing a bronze cast of a plantation owner in the avon than for unconsentingi intercouse, we are a racist country , our laws are enabling racism , and our people refuse to apologise for racist roots in its colonial past! Or acknowledge it, someone yesterday even stated britains invention of and use of concentration camps wasnt so bad , because we didnt gas the inhabitants like the fucking nazis! The house across the street i noticed tonight , has three THREEunion jacks outside and the c@@@ has a bumper sticker with a white power hand sign on it , hes gonna get a potato up his exhaust before the weekend is done!Racism is not just present and active , its becoming more evident that the stupid and entitled use it to defpect from their own lazy , stupid and corrupt behaviours ! How do tge people today apologise for the country's colonial past By learning about it. All of it, not cherry picking the nice parts and getting defensive about the dark elements. History is History. Totally agree that history lessons are very important and as you say not cherry picking. However it does not answer the question I asked By standing against those who ignore the bad bits perhaps ?" The question was asked in response to a statement from another poster that said people refuse to apologise for the country's colonial past. My question was how do people today apologise for the country's past. As said I agree teaching history without cherry picking is important (to all countries) but that does not answer the question | |||
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"A member of the majority population is best placed to understand the daily, lived experience of a minority. True/False? The rhetoric of politicians and the press does not influence what is considered permissable behavior by the public. True/False? Government policy does not effect how prejudice is permitted or experienced by minority groups. True/False?" Follow-up questions People from majority population who have problems in their own lives do not have time/energy to invest in problems of minority population. That doesn't mean they hate the minorities. True/False Just because a very few people are influenced by politicians and media, it is wrong to assume that majority of the people are influenced. True/False There is no way a government can draft a policy that satisfies every section of the society. True/False | |||
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"Lostindreams as an immigrant himself speaks a good but of sense. Perhaps more people should listen to his views on this subject." We should only listen to 1 person & ignore Those who have a different perspective ? | |||
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"The media highlights a narrative which is both disingenuous and xenophobic , because it detracts from tue greed and corruption which keeps wealth of a few growing , and makes the lowest paid fiot tye bill , everyone from gypsy roma, disabled , pensioners , the mentally ill, ,single people who are pro choice , trans , have all been kicked around by the media , the government is trying to introduce more legislation to stifle public debate and dissent via direct action, or protest! All the while cuts to the NHS are being distracted from by blaming an immigrant workforce without whom the NHS would have gone under decades ago, if you can now serve longer tariff for throwing a bronze cast of a plantation owner in the avon than for unconsentingi intercouse, we are a racist country , our laws are enabling racism , and our people refuse to apologise for racist roots in its colonial past! Or acknowledge it, someone yesterday even stated britains invention of and use of concentration camps wasnt so bad , because we didnt gas the inhabitants like the fucking nazis! The house across the street i noticed tonight , has three THREEunion jacks outside and the c@@@ has a bumper sticker with a white power hand sign on it , hes gonna get a potato up his exhaust before the weekend is done!Racism is not just present and active , its becoming more evident that the stupid and entitled use it to defpect from their own lazy , stupid and corrupt behaviours ! How do tge people today apologise for the country's colonial past By learning about it. All of it, not cherry picking the nice parts and getting defensive about the dark elements. History is History. I will happily defend all of our Empire past. Which bit is troubling you? Case and point.
The treatment of the windrush generation. I’ll wait...
50 years after the Empire…. Anything concurrent ?"Wow. So all those deportations uncovered by the recent Windrush Scandal were unnecessary if the empire was 50 years ago? Man, you're gonna struggle with all the points Fabio raised as well as mine. Leroy1000, I personally am not looking for an apology. It won't make much difference and it would be empty. The history is more important and as we've just witnessed, people are still very dismissive. Lostindreams, Racism exists. I agree with you on media response and don't buy into left/right responses when both are as bad as each other. The fact that you have experienced little to no racism as an immigrant is a true blessing. Personally, I've experienced a fair share and I was born here. It's important that people acknowledge your experiences and mine. So I agree Shortandshorter but accept that we still need to address the problems as and when they occur. | |||
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"Lostindreams as an immigrant himself speaks a good but of sense. Perhaps more people should listen to his views on this subject. We should only listen to 1 person & ignore Those who have a different perspective ?" I didn't say ignore other perspectives. I said as an immigrant himself we should perhaps listen to lostindreams more. Should we ignore him because he is only one man? In my view he is better placed than most of us on here to speak on the subject. | |||
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"The media highlights a narrative which is both disingenuous and xenophobic , because it detracts from tue greed and corruption which keeps wealth of a few growing , and makes the lowest paid fiot tye bill , everyone from gypsy roma, disabled , pensioners , the mentally ill, ,single people who are pro choice , trans , have all been kicked around by the media , the government is trying to introduce more legislation to stifle public debate and dissent via direct action, or protest! All the while cuts to the NHS are being distracted from by blaming an immigrant workforce without whom the NHS would have gone under decades ago, if you can now serve longer tariff for throwing a bronze cast of a plantation owner in the avon than for unconsentingi intercouse, we are a racist country , our laws are enabling racism , and our people refuse to apologise for racist roots in its colonial past! Or acknowledge it, someone yesterday even stated britains invention of and use of concentration camps wasnt so bad , because we didnt gas the inhabitants like the fucking nazis! The house across the street i noticed tonight , has three THREEunion jacks outside and the c@@@ has a bumper sticker with a white power hand sign on it , hes gonna get a potato up his exhaust before the weekend is done!Racism is not just present and active , its becoming more evident that the stupid and entitled use it to defpect from their own lazy , stupid and corrupt behaviours ! How do tge people today apologise for the country's colonial past By learning about it. All of it, not cherry picking the nice parts and getting defensive about the dark elements. History is History. I will happily defend all of our Empire past. Which bit is troubling you? Case and point.
The treatment of the windrush generation. I’ll wait...
50 years after the Empire…. Anything concurrent ?
Wow. So all those deportations uncovered by the recent Windrush Scandal were unnecessary if the empire was 50 years ago? Man, you're gonna struggle with all the points Fabio raised as well as mine.
Leroy1000, I personally am not looking for an apology. It won't make much difference and it would be empty. The history is more important and as we've just witnessed, people are still very dismissive.
Lostindreams, Racism exists. I agree with you on media response and don't buy into left/right responses when both are as bad as each other. The fact that you have experienced little to no racism as an immigrant is a true blessing. Personally, I've experienced a fair share and I was born here. It's important that people acknowledge your experiences and mine. So I agree Shortandshorter but accept that we still need to address the problems as and when they occur.
"Problems should absolutely be addressed as and when they occur. By my saying we should listen to lostindreams doesn't mean I'm saying because he hasn't experienced racism it doesn't exist. Just as you've pointed out that you have experienced it. We need to listen more to those people (including yourself) who are better positioned to speak on the subject. | |||
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"Lostindreams as an immigrant himself speaks a good but of sense. Perhaps more people should listen to his views on this subject. We should only listen to 1 person & ignore Those who have a different perspective ? I didn't say ignore other perspectives. I said as an immigrant himself we should perhaps listen to lostindreams more. Should we ignore him because he is only one man? In my view he is better placed than most of us on here to speak on the subject." Ok so you just chose to ignore what other people who came here from somewhere else said . I see what you were trying to say .  | |||
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"Lostindreams as an immigrant himself speaks a good but of sense. Perhaps more people should listen to his views on this subject. We should only listen to 1 person & ignore Those who have a different perspective ? I didn't say ignore other perspectives. I said as an immigrant himself we should perhaps listen to lostindreams more. Should we ignore him because he is only one man? In my view he is better placed than most of us on here to speak on the subject. Ok so you just chose to ignore what other people who came here from somewhere else said . I see what you were trying to say . "Who have I ignored? I see Twisted and Rogue (born in the UK) have both had things to say. I don't think you do know what I'm trying to say | |||
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"Lostindreams as an immigrant himself speaks a good but of sense. Perhaps more people should listen to his views on this subject. We should only listen to 1 person & ignore Those who have a different perspective ? I didn't say ignore other perspectives. I said as an immigrant himself we should perhaps listen to lostindreams more. Should we ignore him because he is only one man? In my view he is better placed than most of us on here to speak on the subject. Ok so you just chose to ignore what other people who came here from somewhere else said . I see what you were trying to say .
Who have I ignored? I see Twisted and Rogue (born in the UK) have both had things to say.
I don't think you do know what I'm trying to say "But you ignored Fabio Were all the white people commenting born here ? Im a London Native so you can safely include me | |||
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"Lostindreams as an immigrant himself speaks a good but of sense. Perhaps more people should listen to his views on this subject. We should only listen to 1 person & ignore Those who have a different perspective ? I didn't say ignore other perspectives. I said as an immigrant himself we should perhaps listen to lostindreams more. Should we ignore him because he is only one man? In my view he is better placed than most of us on here to speak on the subject. Ok so you just chose to ignore what other people who came here from somewhere else said . I see what you were trying to say .
Who have I ignored? I see Twisted and Rogue (born in the UK) have both had things to say.
I don't think you do know what I'm trying to say
But you ignored Fabio
Were all the white people commenting born here ?
Im a London Native so you can safely include me "Just because I didn't reply to Fabio doesn't mean his comments were ignored. The point is proved in that I also didn't directly reply to the others either. Fabio started well tbf by saying there has to be acknowledgement and then went off ranting about stuff that happened in the past. Maybe all the white people here weren't born in the UK. However, the thread is about racism, so unless you're saying that white folk can also experience racism then I'll gladly agree. That's not what you were saying though, is it? | |||
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"Lostindreams as an immigrant himself speaks a good but of sense. Perhaps more people should listen to his views on this subject. We should only listen to 1 person & ignore Those who have a different perspective ? I didn't say ignore other perspectives. I said as an immigrant himself we should perhaps listen to lostindreams more. Should we ignore him because he is only one man? In my view he is better placed than most of us on here to speak on the subject. Ok so you just chose to ignore what other people who came here from somewhere else said . I see what you were trying to say .
Who have I ignored? I see Twisted and Rogue (born in the UK) have both had things to say.
I don't think you do know what I'm trying to say
But you ignored Fabio
Were all the white people commenting born here ?
Im a London Native so you can safely include me
Just because I didn't reply to Fabio doesn't mean his comments were ignored. The point is proved in that I also didn't directly reply to the others either. Fabio started well tbf by saying there has to be acknowledgement and then went off ranting about stuff that happened in the past.
Maybe all the white people here weren't born in the UK. However, the thread is about racism, so unless you're saying that white folk can also experience racism then I'll gladly agree.
That's not what you were saying though, is it? "But you felt the need to point out Lostindreams Posts & made a statement saying people should take note Of what he wrote , as if other people wouldnt have Also read his points & staements . You picked his words, but ignored Fabios & as far as i see you Ignored CLs words as you didnt say people should listen to what they have said . Especially as the the thread wasnt about Immigrants , It was & is about Racism & a little about Immigrants perspectives on Racism Its as if you think people cant come to there own conclusion By reading all points made & you decided to focus on One persons point of view above others . I wonder why that might be ? | |||
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"Lostindreams as an immigrant himself speaks a good but of sense. Perhaps more people should listen to his views on this subject. We should only listen to 1 person & ignore Those who have a different perspective ? I didn't say ignore other perspectives. I said as an immigrant himself we should perhaps listen to lostindreams more. Should we ignore him because he is only one man? In my view he is better placed than most of us on here to speak on the subject. Ok so you just chose to ignore what other people who came here from somewhere else said . I see what you were trying to say .
Who have I ignored? I see Twisted and Rogue (born in the UK) have both had things to say.
I don't think you do know what I'm trying to say
But you ignored Fabio
Were all the white people commenting born here ?
Im a London Native so you can safely include me
Just because I didn't reply to Fabio doesn't mean his comments were ignored. The point is proved in that I also didn't directly reply to the others either. Fabio started well tbf by saying there has to be acknowledgement and then went off ranting about stuff that happened in the past.
Maybe all the white people here weren't born in the UK. However, the thread is about racism, so unless you're saying that white folk can also experience racism then I'll gladly agree.
That's not what you were saying though, is it?
But you felt the need to point out Lostindreams
Posts & made a statement saying people should take note
Of what he wrote , as if other people wouldnt have
Also read his points & staements .
You picked his words, but ignored Fabios & as far as i see you
Ignored CLs words as you didnt say people should listen to what they have said .
Especially as the the thread wasnt about
Immigrants ,
It was & is about Racism & a little about
Immigrants perspectives on Racism
Its as if you think people cant come to there own conclusion
By reading all points made & you decided to focus on
One persons point of view above others .
I wonder why that might be ?"Yes I picked out one person who I thought spoke sense, told us he was an immigrant and I could see he was a person of colour. Someone who I felt was more suited to comment and I agreed with his comments. Did I ignore Rogue? Pretty sure I replied to him above
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"Lostindreams as an immigrant himself speaks a good but of sense. Perhaps more people should listen to his views on this subject. We should only listen to 1 person & ignore Those who have a different perspective ? I didn't say ignore other perspectives. I said as an immigrant himself we should perhaps listen to lostindreams more. Should we ignore him because he is only one man? In my view he is better placed than most of us on here to speak on the subject. Ok so you just chose to ignore what other people who came here from somewhere else said . I see what you were trying to say .
Who have I ignored? I see Twisted and Rogue (born in the UK) have both had things to say.
I don't think you do know what I'm trying to say
But you ignored Fabio
Were all the white people commenting born here ?
Im a London Native so you can safely include me
Just because I didn't reply to Fabio doesn't mean his comments were ignored. The point is proved in that I also didn't directly reply to the others either. Fabio started well tbf by saying there has to be acknowledgement and then went off ranting about stuff that happened in the past.
Maybe all the white people here weren't born in the UK. However, the thread is about racism, so unless you're saying that white folk can also experience racism then I'll gladly agree.
That's not what you were saying though, is it?
But you felt the need to point out Lostindreams
Posts & made a statement saying people should take note
Of what he wrote , as if other people wouldnt have
Also read his points & staements .
You picked his words, but ignored Fabios & as far as i see you
Ignored CLs words as you didnt say people should listen to what they have said .
Especially as the the thread wasnt about
Immigrants ,
It was & is about Racism & a little about
Immigrants perspectives on Racism
Its as if you think people cant come to there own conclusion
By reading all points made & you decided to focus on
One persons point of view above others .
I wonder why that might be ?
Yes I picked out one person who I thought spoke sense, told us he was an immigrant and I could see he was a person of colour.
Someone who I felt was more suited to comment and I agreed with his comments.
Did I ignore Rogue? Pretty sure I replied to him above
I apologise if I'm not falling into line and only commenting where you allow but that's me, you'll never change me "But you ignored Fabio is also an Immigrant (An Economic immigrant maybe or not) Because you said he ranted on about the past . Stuff from the past like Windrush ? Where People were asked to come here & then 50 years later Them & some of there kids were sent away from there families here in the uk . You really are digging yourself into a hole Best you stop now . | |||
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"Lostindreams as an immigrant himself speaks a good but of sense. Perhaps more people should listen to his views on this subject. We should only listen to 1 person & ignore Those who have a different perspective ? I didn't say ignore other perspectives. I said as an immigrant himself we should perhaps listen to lostindreams more. Should we ignore him because he is only one man? In my view he is better placed than most of us on here to speak on the subject. Ok so you just chose to ignore what other people who came here from somewhere else said . I see what you were trying to say .
Who have I ignored? I see Twisted and Rogue (born in the UK) have both had things to say.
I don't think you do know what I'm trying to say
But you ignored Fabio
Were all the white people commenting born here ?
Im a London Native so you can safely include me
Just because I didn't reply to Fabio doesn't mean his comments were ignored. The point is proved in that I also didn't directly reply to the others either. Fabio started well tbf by saying there has to be acknowledgement and then went off ranting about stuff that happened in the past.
Maybe all the white people here weren't born in the UK. However, the thread is about racism, so unless you're saying that white folk can also experience racism then I'll gladly agree.
That's not what you were saying though, is it?
But you felt the need to point out Lostindreams
Posts & made a statement saying people should take note
Of what he wrote , as if other people wouldnt have
Also read his points & staements .
You picked his words, but ignored Fabios & as far as i see you
Ignored CLs words as you didnt say people should listen to what they have said .
Especially as the the thread wasnt about
Immigrants ,
It was & is about Racism & a little about
Immigrants perspectives on Racism
Its as if you think people cant come to there own conclusion
By reading all points made & you decided to focus on
One persons point of view above others .
I wonder why that might be ?
Yes I picked out one person who I thought spoke sense, told us he was an immigrant and I could see he was a person of colour.
Someone who I felt was more suited to comment and I agreed with his comments.
Did I ignore Rogue? Pretty sure I replied to him above
I apologise if I'm not falling into line and only commenting where you allow but that's me, you'll never change me
But you ignored Fabio is also an Immigrant
(An Economic immigrant maybe or not)
Because you said he ranted on about the past .
Stuff from the past like Windrush ?
Where People were asked to come here & then 50 years later
Them & some of there kids were sent away from there
families here in the uk .
You really are digging yourself into a hole
Best you stop now ."I said Fabio started well and then went on a rant. Digging myself a hole and should stop? That's the second time in this thread you have tried to tell me what to do. I've already told you that won't help you
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"Lostindreams as an immigrant himself speaks a good but of sense. Perhaps more people should listen to his views on this subject. We should only listen to 1 person & ignore Those who have a different perspective ? I didn't say ignore other perspectives. I said as an immigrant himself we should perhaps listen to lostindreams more. Should we ignore him because he is only one man? In my view he is better placed than most of us on here to speak on the subject. Ok so you just chose to ignore what other people who came here from somewhere else said . I see what you were trying to say .
Who have I ignored? I see Twisted and Rogue (born in the UK) have both had things to say.
I don't think you do know what I'm trying to say
But you ignored Fabio
Were all the white people commenting born here ?
Im a London Native so you can safely include me
Just because I didn't reply to Fabio doesn't mean his comments were ignored. The point is proved in that I also didn't directly reply to the others either. Fabio started well tbf by saying there has to be acknowledgement and then went off ranting about stuff that happened in the past.
Maybe all the white people here weren't born in the UK. However, the thread is about racism, so unless you're saying that white folk can also experience racism then I'll gladly agree.
That's not what you were saying though, is it?
But you felt the need to point out Lostindreams
Posts & made a statement saying people should take note
Of what he wrote , as if other people wouldnt have
Also read his points & staements .
You picked his words, but ignored Fabios & as far as i see you
Ignored CLs words as you didnt say people should listen to what they have said .
Especially as the the thread wasnt about
Immigrants ,
It was & is about Racism & a little about
Immigrants perspectives on Racism
Its as if you think people cant come to there own conclusion
By reading all points made & you decided to focus on
One persons point of view above others .
I wonder why that might be ?
Yes I picked out one person who I thought spoke sense, told us he was an immigrant and I could see he was a person of colour.
Someone who I felt was more suited to comment and I agreed with his comments.
Did I ignore Rogue? Pretty sure I replied to him above
I apologise if I'm not falling into line and only commenting where you allow but that's me, you'll never change me
But you ignored Fabio is also an Immigrant
(An Economic immigrant maybe or not)
Because you said he ranted on about the past .
Stuff from the past like Windrush ?
Where People were asked to come here & then 50 years later
Them & some of there kids were sent away from there
families here in the uk .
You really are digging yourself into a hole
Best you stop now .
I said Fabio started well and then went on a rant.
Digging myself a hole and should stop? That's the second time in this thread you have tried to tell me what to do. I've already told you that won't help you
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"Lostindreams as an immigrant himself speaks a good but of sense. Perhaps more people should listen to his views on this subject. We should only listen to 1 person & ignore Those who have a different perspective ? I didn't say ignore other perspectives. I said as an immigrant himself we should perhaps listen to lostindreams more. Should we ignore him because he is only one man? In my view he is better placed than most of us on here to speak on the subject. Ok so you just chose to ignore what other people who came here from somewhere else said . I see what you were trying to say .
Who have I ignored? I see Twisted and Rogue (born in the UK) have both had things to say.
I don't think you do know what I'm trying to say
But you ignored Fabio
Were all the white people commenting born here ?
Im a London Native so you can safely include me
Just because I didn't reply to Fabio doesn't mean his comments were ignored. The point is proved in that I also didn't directly reply to the others either. Fabio started well tbf by saying there has to be acknowledgement and then went off ranting about stuff that happened in the past.
Maybe all the white people here weren't born in the UK. However, the thread is about racism, so unless you're saying that white folk can also experience racism then I'll gladly agree.
That's not what you were saying though, is it?
But you felt the need to point out Lostindreams
Posts & made a statement saying people should take note
Of what he wrote , as if other people wouldnt have
Also read his points & staements .
You picked his words, but ignored Fabios & as far as i see you
Ignored CLs words as you didnt say people should listen to what they have said .
Especially as the the thread wasnt about
Immigrants ,
It was & is about Racism & a little about
Immigrants perspectives on Racism
Its as if you think people cant come to there own conclusion
By reading all points made & you decided to focus on
One persons point of view above others .
I wonder why that might be ?
Yes I picked out one person who I thought spoke sense, told us he was an immigrant and I could see he was a person of colour.
Someone who I felt was more suited to comment and I agreed with his comments.
Did I ignore Rogue? Pretty sure I replied to him above
I apologise if I'm not falling into line and only commenting where you allow but that's me, you'll never change me
But you ignored Fabio is also an Immigrant
(An Economic immigrant maybe or not)
Because you said he ranted on about the past .
Stuff from the past like Windrush ?
Where People were asked to come here & then 50 years later
Them & some of there kids were sent away from there
families here in the uk .
You really are digging yourself into a hole
Best you stop now .
I said Fabio started well and then went on a rant.
Digging myself a hole and should stop? That's the second time in this thread you have tried to tell me what to do. I've already told you that won't help you
When is bangbang due back? He would love this thread
Im not telling you do anything
Im suggesting for your own reputation
It might be best to stop .
bangbang can do what he likes .
He is no concern of mine ."My reputation? I couldn't care less what others on here think of me. Agree with me or not, it won't change me | |||
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"Lostindreams as an immigrant himself speaks a good but of sense. Perhaps more people should listen to his views on this subject. We should only listen to 1 person & ignore Those who have a different perspective ? I didn't say ignore other perspectives. I said as an immigrant himself we should perhaps listen to lostindreams more. Should we ignore him because he is only one man? In my view he is better placed than most of us on here to speak on the subject. Ok so you just chose to ignore what other people who came here from somewhere else said . I see what you were trying to say .
Who have I ignored? I see Twisted and Rogue (born in the UK) have both had things to say.
I don't think you do know what I'm trying to say
But you ignored Fabio
Were all the white people commenting born here ?
Im a London Native so you can safely include me
Just because I didn't reply to Fabio doesn't mean his comments were ignored. The point is proved in that I also didn't directly reply to the others either. Fabio started well tbf by saying there has to be acknowledgement and then went off ranting about stuff that happened in the past.
Maybe all the white people here weren't born in the UK. However, the thread is about racism, so unless you're saying that white folk can also experience racism then I'll gladly agree.
That's not what you were saying though, is it?
But you felt the need to point out Lostindreams
Posts & made a statement saying people should take note
Of what he wrote , as if other people wouldnt have
Also read his points & staements .
You picked his words, but ignored Fabios & as far as i see you
Ignored CLs words as you didnt say people should listen to what they have said .
Especially as the the thread wasnt about
Immigrants ,
It was & is about Racism & a little about
Immigrants perspectives on Racism
Its as if you think people cant come to there own conclusion
By reading all points made & you decided to focus on
One persons point of view above others .
I wonder why that might be ?
Yes I picked out one person who I thought spoke sense, told us he was an immigrant and I could see he was a person of colour.
Someone who I felt was more suited to comment and I agreed with his comments.
Did I ignore Rogue? Pretty sure I replied to him above
I apologise if I'm not falling into line and only commenting where you allow but that's me, you'll never change me
But you ignored Fabio is also an Immigrant
(An Economic immigrant maybe or not)
Because you said he ranted on about the past .
Stuff from the past like Windrush ?
Where People were asked to come here & then 50 years later
Them & some of there kids were sent away from there
families here in the uk .
You really are digging yourself into a hole
Best you stop now .
I said Fabio started well and then went on a rant.
Digging myself a hole and should stop? That's the second time in this thread you have tried to tell me what to do. I've already told you that won't help you
When is bangbang due back? He would love this thread
Im not telling you do anything
Im suggesting for your own reputation
It might be best to stop .
bangbang can do what he likes .
He is no concern of mine ."I think you might be better to stop The Empire Windrush was calling in to the Caribbean on its way back to Britain from South America The operators of the ship saw an opportunity to sell tickets as it was half empty. The idea that the government invited West Indians to come to Britain is a complete myth | |||
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"Lostindreams as an immigrant himself speaks a good but of sense. Perhaps more people should listen to his views on this subject. We should only listen to 1 person & ignore Those who have a different perspective ? I didn't say ignore other perspectives. I said as an immigrant himself we should perhaps listen to lostindreams more. Should we ignore him because he is only one man? In my view he is better placed than most of us on here to speak on the subject. Ok so you just chose to ignore what other people who came here from somewhere else said . I see what you were trying to say .
Who have I ignored? I see Twisted and Rogue (born in the UK) have both had things to say.
I don't think you do know what I'm trying to say
But you ignored Fabio
Were all the white people commenting born here ?
Im a London Native so you can safely include me
Just because I didn't reply to Fabio doesn't mean his comments were ignored. The point is proved in that I also didn't directly reply to the others either. Fabio started well tbf by saying there has to be acknowledgement and then went off ranting about stuff that happened in the past.
Maybe all the white people here weren't born in the UK. However, the thread is about racism, so unless you're saying that white folk can also experience racism then I'll gladly agree.
That's not what you were saying though, is it?
But you felt the need to point out Lostindreams
Posts & made a statement saying people should take note
Of what he wrote , as if other people wouldnt have
Also read his points & staements .
You picked his words, but ignored Fabios & as far as i see you
Ignored CLs words as you didnt say people should listen to what they have said .
Especially as the the thread wasnt about
Immigrants ,
It was & is about Racism & a little about
Immigrants perspectives on Racism
Its as if you think people cant come to there own conclusion
By reading all points made & you decided to focus on
One persons point of view above others .
I wonder why that might be ?
Yes I picked out one person who I thought spoke sense, told us he was an immigrant and I could see he was a person of colour.
Someone who I felt was more suited to comment and I agreed with his comments.
Did I ignore Rogue? Pretty sure I replied to him above
I apologise if I'm not falling into line and only commenting where you allow but that's me, you'll never change me
But you ignored Fabio is also an Immigrant
(An Economic immigrant maybe or not)
Because you said he ranted on about the past .
Stuff from the past like Windrush ?
Where People were asked to come here & then 50 years later
Them & some of there kids were sent away from there
families here in the uk .
You really are digging yourself into a hole
Best you stop now .
I said Fabio started well and then went on a rant.
Digging myself a hole and should stop? That's the second time in this thread you have tried to tell me what to do. I've already told you that won't help you
When is bangbang due back? He would love this thread
Im not telling you do anything
Im suggesting for your own reputation
It might be best to stop .
bangbang can do what he likes .
He is no concern of mine .
I think you might be better to stop
The Empire Windrush was calling in to the Caribbean on its way back to Britain from South America
The operators of the ship saw an opportunity to sell tickets as it was half empty. The idea that the government invited West Indians to come to Britain is a complete myth"So Tressamae former Prime minister didnt apologuse over "windrush generation " then . https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43792411 I think it might be better if you know what You are talking about . | |||
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"Lostindreams as an immigrant himself speaks a good but of sense. Perhaps more people should listen to his views on this subject. We should only listen to 1 person & ignore Those who have a different perspective ? I didn't say ignore other perspectives. I said as an immigrant himself we should perhaps listen to lostindreams more. Should we ignore him because he is only one man? In my view he is better placed than most of us on here to speak on the subject. Ok so you just chose to ignore what other people who came here from somewhere else said . I see what you were trying to say .
Who have I ignored? I see Twisted and Rogue (born in the UK) have both had things to say.
I don't think you do know what I'm trying to say
But you ignored Fabio
Were all the white people commenting born here ?
Im a London Native so you can safely include me
Just because I didn't reply to Fabio doesn't mean his comments were ignored. The point is proved in that I also didn't directly reply to the others either. Fabio started well tbf by saying there has to be acknowledgement and then went off ranting about stuff that happened in the past.
Maybe all the white people here weren't born in the UK. However, the thread is about racism, so unless you're saying that white folk can also experience racism then I'll gladly agree.
That's not what you were saying though, is it?
But you felt the need to point out Lostindreams
Posts & made a statement saying people should take note
Of what he wrote , as if other people wouldnt have
Also read his points & staements .
You picked his words, but ignored Fabios & as far as i see you
Ignored CLs words as you didnt say people should listen to what they have said .
Especially as the the thread wasnt about
Immigrants ,
It was & is about Racism & a little about
Immigrants perspectives on Racism
Its as if you think people cant come to there own conclusion
By reading all points made & you decided to focus on
One persons point of view above others .
I wonder why that might be ?
Yes I picked out one person who I thought spoke sense, told us he was an immigrant and I could see he was a person of colour.
Someone who I felt was more suited to comment and I agreed with his comments.
Did I ignore Rogue? Pretty sure I replied to him above
I apologise if I'm not falling into line and only commenting where you allow but that's me, you'll never change me
But you ignored Fabio is also an Immigrant
(An Economic immigrant maybe or not)
Because you said he ranted on about the past .
Stuff from the past like Windrush ?
Where People were asked to come here & then 50 years later
Them & some of there kids were sent away from there
families here in the uk .
You really are digging yourself into a hole
Best you stop now .
I said Fabio started well and then went on a rant.
Digging myself a hole and should stop? That's the second time in this thread you have tried to tell me what to do. I've already told you that won't help you
When is bangbang due back? He would love this thread
Im not telling you do anything
Im suggesting for your own reputation
It might be best to stop .
bangbang can do what he likes .
He is no concern of mine .
I think you might be better to stop
The Empire Windrush was calling in to the Caribbean on its way back to Britain from South America
The operators of the ship saw an opportunity to sell tickets as it was half empty. The idea that the government invited West Indians to come to Britain is a complete myth
So Tressamae former Prime minister didnt apologuse over
"windrush generation " then .
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43792411
I think it might be better if you know what
You are talking about .
"I don't care what she apologized for. West Indians came here for better pay and conditions than they had in Jamaica. The government actually tried to stop it but they had British passports so couldn't I'm not saying it was bad thing but the government didn't ask them come | |||
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" Lostindreams, Racism exists. I agree with you on media response and don't buy into left/right responses when both are as bad as each other. The fact that you have experienced little to no racism as an immigrant is a true blessing. Personally, I've experienced a fair share and I was born here. It's important that people acknowledge your experiences and mine. So I agree Shortandshorter but accept that we still need to address the problems as and when they occur. " I agree. Just because I didn't experience racism, it doesn't mean racism doesn't exist. I have seen once and heard a couple of stories about racist abuse. Anti-racism movement definitely has a place here. My problems with the movement are: 1) Making things look worse than they actually appear. Exaggeration of everything as a matter of racism only results in people seeing the movement as a joke. I have worked in software companies with majority Asian people here, medical staff in NHS have disproportionately higher percentage of Asian population. Premier League football teams have disproportionately higher percentage of Black players. We have a right wing government with BAME people as Home Minister and finance minister. But for some reason, institutional racism seems to be a really big problem that everyone has to look at and solve immediately. There could still be institutional racism in some places. But western countries have made a tremendous progress in this matter in just the last two decades. We can trust the education system to solve the problem, rather than shoving it down people's throat. Don't even get me started on the tweets that the likes of Diane Abbott and Naz Shah post to inflame racial divisions. 2) The way the movement tries to go about solving the problem. Breaking statues, knee-jerk reactions for something that happens far away in the US, decisions like taking the knee being team decisions rather than individual decisions etc. are not going to solve the problems. They are seriously counter-productive. Even people who had sympathy for the movement would move away from it. Also, some people do not give a damn about political or social issues. They live in a bubble. They should just be left alone. "If you are silent, you are siding with the oppressor" is a slogan that is illogical and also lacks empathy. 3) Racism being shown as a white only problem. Racists and bigots come in all colours, shapes, sizes and gender. If the movement is targetted only at white people, I would say the movement itself is racist. What the movement could focus on? Education system. I am with you on the fact that the empire was bad. People should know the atrocities committed by the empire. But no one needs to apologise for that. I am not going to apologise for a mistake that my grandfather did. No one should. We just need acknowledgement. Encourage BAME children to focus on education and have big goals/ambitions right from the childhood. They need more qualified mentors who could show the right path ahead to have a good career, achieving their dreams and live a fulfilling life. There are so many things one could do without positive discrimination, without troubling the majority and without using guilt as a weapon. But people in the movement are focussed on gaining attention rather than using sane solutions to fix the problems. | |||
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"Lostindreams as an immigrant himself speaks a good but of sense. Perhaps more people should listen to his views on this subject. We should only listen to 1 person & ignore Those who have a different perspective ? I didn't say ignore other perspectives. I said as an immigrant himself we should perhaps listen to lostindreams more. Should we ignore him because he is only one man? In my view he is better placed than most of us on here to speak on the subject. Ok so you just chose to ignore what other people who came here from somewhere else said . I see what you were trying to say .
Who have I ignored? I see Twisted and Rogue (born in the UK) have both had things to say.
I don't think you do know what I'm trying to say
But you ignored Fabio
Were all the white people commenting born here ?
Im a London Native so you can safely include me
Just because I didn't reply to Fabio doesn't mean his comments were ignored. The point is proved in that I also didn't directly reply to the others either. Fabio started well tbf by saying there has to be acknowledgement and then went off ranting about stuff that happened in the past.
Maybe all the white people here weren't born in the UK. However, the thread is about racism, so unless you're saying that white folk can also experience racism then I'll gladly agree.
That's not what you were saying though, is it?
But you felt the need to point out Lostindreams
Posts & made a statement saying people should take note
Of what he wrote , as if other people wouldnt have
Also read his points & staements .
You picked his words, but ignored Fabios & as far as i see you
Ignored CLs words as you didnt say people should listen to what they have said .
Especially as the the thread wasnt about
Immigrants ,
It was & is about Racism & a little about
Immigrants perspectives on Racism
Its as if you think people cant come to there own conclusion
By reading all points made & you decided to focus on
One persons point of view above others .
I wonder why that might be ?
Yes I picked out one person who I thought spoke sense, told us he was an immigrant and I could see he was a person of colour.
Someone who I felt was more suited to comment and I agreed with his comments.
Did I ignore Rogue? Pretty sure I replied to him above
I apologise if I'm not falling into line and only commenting where you allow but that's me, you'll never change me
But you ignored Fabio is also an Immigrant
(An Economic immigrant maybe or not)
Because you said he ranted on about the past .
Stuff from the past like Windrush ?
Where People were asked to come here & then 50 years later
Them & some of there kids were sent away from there
families here in the uk .
You really are digging yourself into a hole
Best you stop now .
I said Fabio started well and then went on a rant.
Digging myself a hole and should stop? That's the second time in this thread you have tried to tell me what to do. I've already told you that won't help you
When is bangbang due back? He would love this thread
Im not telling you do anything
Im suggesting for your own reputation
It might be best to stop .
bangbang can do what he likes .
He is no concern of mine .
I think you might be better to stop
The Empire Windrush was calling in to the Caribbean on its way back to Britain from South America
The operators of the ship saw an opportunity to sell tickets as it was half empty. The idea that the government invited West Indians to come to Britain is a complete myth
So Tressamae former Prime minister didnt apologuse over
"windrush generation " then .
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43792411
I think it might be better if you know what
You are talking about .
I don't care what she apologized for. West Indians came here for better pay and conditions than they had in Jamaica. The government actually tried to stop it but they had British passports so couldn't
I'm not saying it was bad thing but the government didn't ask them come "I think you'll find they did https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43792411 The 1948 British Nationality Act said that all Commonwealth citizens could have British passports and work in the UK https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Nationality_Act_1948 | |||
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"Lostindreams as an immigrant himself speaks a good but of sense. Perhaps more people should listen to his views on this subject. We should only listen to 1 person & ignore Those who have a different perspective ? I didn't say ignore other perspectives. I said as an immigrant himself we should perhaps listen to lostindreams more. Should we ignore him because he is only one man? In my view he is better placed than most of us on here to speak on the subject. Ok so you just chose to ignore what other people who came here from somewhere else said . I see what you were trying to say .
Who have I ignored? I see Twisted and Rogue (born in the UK) have both had things to say.
I don't think you do know what I'm trying to say
But you ignored Fabio
Were all the white people commenting born here ?
Im a London Native so you can safely include me
Just because I didn't reply to Fabio doesn't mean his comments were ignored. The point is proved in that I also didn't directly reply to the others either. Fabio started well tbf by saying there has to be acknowledgement and then went off ranting about stuff that happened in the past.
Maybe all the white people here weren't born in the UK. However, the thread is about racism, so unless you're saying that white folk can also experience racism then I'll gladly agree.
That's not what you were saying though, is it?
But you felt the need to point out Lostindreams
Posts & made a statement saying people should take note
Of what he wrote , as if other people wouldnt have
Also read his points & staements .
You picked his words, but ignored Fabios & as far as i see you
Ignored CLs words as you didnt say people should listen to what they have said .
Especially as the the thread wasnt about
Immigrants ,
It was & is about Racism & a little about
Immigrants perspectives on Racism
Its as if you think people cant come to there own conclusion
By reading all points made & you decided to focus on
One persons point of view above others .
I wonder why that might be ?
Yes I picked out one person who I thought spoke sense, told us he was an immigrant and I could see he was a person of colour.
Someone who I felt was more suited to comment and I agreed with his comments.
Did I ignore Rogue? Pretty sure I replied to him above
I apologise if I'm not falling into line and only commenting where you allow but that's me, you'll never change me
But you ignored Fabio is also an Immigrant
(An Economic immigrant maybe or not)
Because you said he ranted on about the past .
Stuff from the past like Windrush ?
Where People were asked to come here & then 50 years later
Them & some of there kids were sent away from there
families here in the uk .
You really are digging yourself into a hole
Best you stop now .
I said Fabio started well and then went on a rant.
Digging myself a hole and should stop? That's the second time in this thread you have tried to tell me what to do. I've already told you that won't help you
When is bangbang due back? He would love this thread
Im not telling you do anything
Im suggesting for your own reputation
It might be best to stop .
bangbang can do what he likes .
He is no concern of mine .
I think you might be better to stop
The Empire Windrush was calling in to the Caribbean on its way back to Britain from South America
The operators of the ship saw an opportunity to sell tickets as it was half empty. The idea that the government invited West Indians to come to Britain is a complete myth
So Tressamae former Prime minister didnt apologuse over
"windrush generation " then .
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43792411
I think it might be better if you know what
You are talking about .
I don't care what she apologized for. West Indians came here for better pay and conditions than they had in Jamaica. The government actually tried to stop it but they had British passports so couldn't
I'm not saying it was bad thing but the government didn't ask them come
I think you'll find they did
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43792411
The 1948 British Nationality Act said that all Commonwealth citizens could have British passports and work in the UK
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Nationality_Act_1948
"Err yes that's what I said | |||
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"Lostindreams as an immigrant himself speaks a good but of sense. Perhaps more people should listen to his views on this subject. We should only listen to 1 person & ignore Those who have a different perspective ? I didn't say ignore other perspectives. I said as an immigrant himself we should perhaps listen to lostindreams more. Should we ignore him because he is only one man? In my view he is better placed than most of us on here to speak on the subject." I am guessing that a lot of people here in this thread will be 2nd generation, so we would have seen the struggles that our parents went through and the stories they have told us… I don’t think the views of a 1st gen are any more or less important or impactful than them… If fact I probably learnt as much from my grandmother (I say my did lived thru civil rights and my Nan lived thru little rights) .. it’s important to be able to see other perspectives | |||
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" Lostindreams, Racism exists. I agree with you on media response and don't buy into left/right responses when both are as bad as each other. The fact that you have experienced little to no racism as an immigrant is a true blessing. Personally, I've experienced a fair share and I was born here. It's important that people acknowledge your experiences and mine. So I agree Shortandshorter but accept that we still need to address the problems as and when they occur. I agree. Just because I didn't experience racism, it doesn't mean racism doesn't exist. I have seen once and heard a couple of stories about racist abuse. Anti-racism movement definitely has a place here. My problems with the movement are: 1) Making things look worse than they actually appear. Exaggeration of everything as a matter of racism only results in people seeing the movement as a joke. I have worked in software companies with majority Asian people here, medical staff in NHS have disproportionately higher percentage of Asian population. Premier League football teams have disproportionately higher percentage of Black players. We have a right wing government with BAME people as Home Minister and finance minister. But for some reason, institutional racism seems to be a really big problem that everyone has to look at and solve immediately. There could still be institutional racism in some places. But western countries have made a tremendous progress in this matter in just the last two decades. We can trust the education system to solve the problem, rather than shoving it down people's throat. Don't even get me started on the tweets that the likes of Diane Abbott and Naz Shah post to inflame racial divisions. 2) The way the movement tries to go about solving the problem. Breaking statues, knee-jerk reactions for something that happens far away in the US, decisions like taking the knee being team decisions rather than individual decisions etc. are not going to solve the problems. They are seriously counter-productive. Even people who had sympathy for the movement would move away from it. Also, some people do not give a damn about political or social issues. They live in a bubble. They should just be left alone. "If you are silent, you are siding with the oppressor" is a slogan that is illogical and also lacks empathy. 3) Racism being shown as a white only problem. Racists and bigots come in all colours, shapes, sizes and gender. If the movement is targetted only at white people, I would say the movement itself is racist. What the movement could focus on? Education system. I am with you on the fact that the empire was bad. People should know the atrocities committed by the empire. But no one needs to apologise for that. I am not going to apologise for a mistake that my grandfather did. No one should. We just need acknowledgement. Encourage BAME children to focus on education and have big goals/ambitions right from the childhood. They need more qualified mentors who could show the right path ahead to have a good career, achieving their dreams and live a fulfilling life. There are so many things one could do without positive discrimination, without troubling the majority and without using guilt as a weapon. But people in the movement are focussed on gaining attention rather than using sane solutions to fix the problems." What do you think of the racism against Marcus Rashford Against Rio Ferdinand recently , or the abuse received by Marvin Bartley which is all on video at a football match he played in ? | |||
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"Lostindreams as an immigrant himself speaks a good but of sense. Perhaps more people should listen to his views on this subject. We should only listen to 1 person & ignore Those who have a different perspective ? I didn't say ignore other perspectives. I said as an immigrant himself we should perhaps listen to lostindreams more. Should we ignore him because he is only one man? In my view he is better placed than most of us on here to speak on the subject. Ok so you just chose to ignore what other people who came here from somewhere else said . I see what you were trying to say .
Who have I ignored? I see Twisted and Rogue (born in the UK) have both had things to say.
I don't think you do know what I'm trying to say
But you ignored Fabio
Were all the white people commenting born here ?
Im a London Native so you can safely include me
Just because I didn't reply to Fabio doesn't mean his comments were ignored. The point is proved in that I also didn't directly reply to the others either. Fabio started well tbf by saying there has to be acknowledgement and then went off ranting about stuff that happened in the past.
Maybe all the white people here weren't born in the UK. However, the thread is about racism, so unless you're saying that white folk can also experience racism then I'll gladly agree.
That's not what you were saying though, is it?
But you felt the need to point out Lostindreams
Posts & made a statement saying people should take note
Of what he wrote , as if other people wouldnt have
Also read his points & staements .
You picked his words, but ignored Fabios & as far as i see you
Ignored CLs words as you didnt say people should listen to what they have said .
Especially as the the thread wasnt about
Immigrants ,
It was & is about Racism & a little about
Immigrants perspectives on Racism
Its as if you think people cant come to there own conclusion
By reading all points made & you decided to focus on
One persons point of view above others .
I wonder why that might be ?
Yes I picked out one person who I thought spoke sense, told us he was an immigrant and I could see he was a person of colour.
Someone who I felt was more suited to comment and I agreed with his comments.
Did I ignore Rogue? Pretty sure I replied to him above
I apologise if I'm not falling into line and only commenting where you allow but that's me, you'll never change me
But you ignored Fabio is also an Immigrant
(An Economic immigrant maybe or not)
Because you said he ranted on about the past .
Stuff from the past like Windrush ?
Where People were asked to come here & then 50 years later
Them & some of there kids were sent away from there
families here in the uk .
You really are digging yourself into a hole
Best you stop now .
I said Fabio started well and then went on a rant.
Digging myself a hole and should stop? That's the second time in this thread you have tried to tell me what to do. I've already told you that won't help you
When is bangbang due back? He would love this thread
Im not telling you do anything
Im suggesting for your own reputation
It might be best to stop .
bangbang can do what he likes .
He is no concern of mine .
I think you might be better to stop
The Empire Windrush was calling in to the Caribbean on its way back to Britain from South America
The operators of the ship saw an opportunity to sell tickets as it was half empty. The idea that the government invited West Indians to come to Britain is a complete myth
So Tressamae former Prime minister didnt apologuse over
"windrush generation " then .
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43792411
I think it might be better if you know what
You are talking about .
I don't care what she apologized for. West Indians came here for better pay and conditions than they had in Jamaica. The government actually tried to stop it but they had British passports so couldn't
I'm not saying it was bad thing but the government didn't ask them come
I think you'll find they did
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43792411
The 1948 British Nationality Act said that all Commonwealth citizens could have British passports and work in the UK
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Nationality_Act_1948
Err yes that's what I said"The 1948 British Nationality Act said that all Commonwealth citizens could have British passports and work in the UK https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43792411 Yes but if you bothered to read the links youd have seen the above quote . | |||
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"Lostindreams as an immigrant himself speaks a good but of sense. Perhaps more people should listen to his views on this subject. We should only listen to 1 person & ignore Those who have a different perspective ? I didn't say ignore other perspectives. I said as an immigrant himself we should perhaps listen to lostindreams more. Should we ignore him because he is only one man? In my view he is better placed than most of us on here to speak on the subject. Ok so you just chose to ignore what other people who came here from somewhere else said . I see what you were trying to say .
Who have I ignored? I see Twisted and Rogue (born in the UK) have both had things to say.
I don't think you do know what I'm trying to say
But you ignored Fabio
Were all the white people commenting born here ?
Im a London Native so you can safely include me
Just because I didn't reply to Fabio doesn't mean his comments were ignored. The point is proved in that I also didn't directly reply to the others either. Fabio started well tbf by saying there has to be acknowledgement and then went off ranting about stuff that happened in the past.
Maybe all the white people here weren't born in the UK. However, the thread is about racism, so unless you're saying that white folk can also experience racism then I'll gladly agree.
That's not what you were saying though, is it?
But you felt the need to point out Lostindreams
Posts & made a statement saying people should take note
Of what he wrote , as if other people wouldnt have
Also read his points & staements .
You picked his words, but ignored Fabios & as far as i see you
Ignored CLs words as you didnt say people should listen to what they have said .
Especially as the the thread wasnt about
Immigrants ,
It was & is about Racism & a little about
Immigrants perspectives on Racism
Its as if you think people cant come to there own conclusion
By reading all points made & you decided to focus on
One persons point of view above others .
I wonder why that might be ?
Yes I picked out one person who I thought spoke sense, told us he was an immigrant and I could see he was a person of colour.
Someone who I felt was more suited to comment and I agreed with his comments.
Did I ignore Rogue? Pretty sure I replied to him above
I apologise if I'm not falling into line and only commenting where you allow but that's me, you'll never change me
But you ignored Fabio is also an Immigrant
(An Economic immigrant maybe or not)
Because you said he ranted on about the past .
Stuff from the past like Windrush ?
Where People were asked to come here & then 50 years later
Them & some of there kids were sent away from there
families here in the uk .
You really are digging yourself into a hole
Best you stop now .
I said Fabio started well and then went on a rant.
Digging myself a hole and should stop? That's the second time in this thread you have tried to tell me what to do. I've already told you that won't help you
When is bangbang due back? He would love this thread
Im not telling you do anything
Im suggesting for your own reputation
It might be best to stop .
bangbang can do what he likes .
He is no concern of mine .
I think you might be better to stop
The Empire Windrush was calling in to the Caribbean on its way back to Britain from South America
The operators of the ship saw an opportunity to sell tickets as it was half empty. The idea that the government invited West Indians to come to Britain is a complete myth
So Tressamae former Prime minister didnt apologuse over
"windrush generation " then .
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43792411
I think it might be better if you know what
You are talking about .
I don't care what she apologized for. West Indians came here for better pay and conditions than they had in Jamaica. The government actually tried to stop it but they had British passports so couldn't
I'm not saying it was bad thing but the government didn't ask them come
I think you'll find they did
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43792411
The 1948 British Nationality Act said that all Commonwealth citizens could have British passports and work in the UK
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Nationality_Act_1948
Err yes that's what I said
The 1948 British Nationality Act said that all Commonwealth citizens could have British passports and work in the UK
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43792411
Yes but if you bothered to read the links youd have seen the above quote ."Maybe if you didn't take your history lessons from the BBC you'd have known that the British government didn't request that West Indians come to the country | |||
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" Lostindreams, Racism exists. I agree with you on media response and don't buy into left/right responses when both are as bad as each other. The fact that you have experienced little to no racism as an immigrant is a true blessing. Personally, I've experienced a fair share and I was born here. It's important that people acknowledge your experiences and mine. So I agree Shortandshorter but accept that we still need to address the problems as and when they occur. I agree. Just because I didn't experience racism, it doesn't mean racism doesn't exist. I have seen once and heard a couple of stories about racist abuse. Anti-racism movement definitely has a place here. My problems with the movement are: 1) Making things look worse than they actually appear. Exaggeration of everything as a matter of racism only results in people seeing the movement as a joke. I have worked in software companies with majority Asian people here, medical staff in NHS have disproportionately higher percentage of Asian population. Premier League football teams have disproportionately higher percentage of Black players. We have a right wing government with BAME people as Home Minister and finance minister. But for some reason, institutional racism seems to be a really big problem that everyone has to look at and solve immediately. There could still be institutional racism in some places. But western countries have made a tremendous progress in this matter in just the last two decades. We can trust the education system to solve the problem, rather than shoving it down people's throat. Don't even get me started on the tweets that the likes of Diane Abbott and Naz Shah post to inflame racial divisions. 2) The way the movement tries to go about solving the problem. Breaking statues, knee-jerk reactions for something that happens far away in the US, decisions like taking the knee being team decisions rather than individual decisions etc. are not going to solve the problems. They are seriously counter-productive. Even people who had sympathy for the movement would move away from it. Also, some people do not give a damn about political or social issues. They live in a bubble. They should just be left alone. "If you are silent, you are siding with the oppressor" is a slogan that is illogical and also lacks empathy. 3) Racism being shown as a white only problem. Racists and bigots come in all colours, shapes, sizes and gender. If the movement is targetted only at white people, I would say the movement itself is racist. What the movement could focus on? Education system. I am with you on the fact that the empire was bad. People should know the atrocities committed by the empire. But no one needs to apologise for that. I am not going to apologise for a mistake that my grandfather did. No one should. We just need acknowledgement. Encourage BAME children to focus on education and have big goals/ambitions right from the childhood. They need more qualified mentors who could show the right path ahead to have a good career, achieving their dreams and live a fulfilling life. There are so many things one could do without positive discrimination, without troubling the majority and without using guilt as a weapon. But people in the movement are focussed on gaining attention rather than using sane solutions to fix the problems." very well put post in my humble opinion. | |||
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"Lostindreams as an immigrant himself speaks a good but of sense. Perhaps more people should listen to his views on this subject. We should only listen to 1 person & ignore Those who have a different perspective ? I didn't say ignore other perspectives. I said as an immigrant himself we should perhaps listen to lostindreams more. Should we ignore him because he is only one man? In my view he is better placed than most of us on here to speak on the subject. Ok so you just chose to ignore what other people who came here from somewhere else said . I see what you were trying to say .
Who have I ignored? I see Twisted and Rogue (born in the UK) have both had things to say.
I don't think you do know what I'm trying to say
But you ignored Fabio
Were all the white people commenting born here ?
Im a London Native so you can safely include me
Just because I didn't reply to Fabio doesn't mean his comments were ignored. The point is proved in that I also didn't directly reply to the others either. Fabio started well tbf by saying there has to be acknowledgement and then went off ranting about stuff that happened in the past.
Maybe all the white people here weren't born in the UK. However, the thread is about racism, so unless you're saying that white folk can also experience racism then I'll gladly agree.
That's not what you were saying though, is it?
But you felt the need to point out Lostindreams
Posts & made a statement saying people should take note
Of what he wrote , as if other people wouldnt have
Also read his points & staements .
You picked his words, but ignored Fabios & as far as i see you
Ignored CLs words as you didnt say people should listen to what they have said .
Especially as the the thread wasnt about
Immigrants ,
It was & is about Racism & a little about
Immigrants perspectives on Racism
Its as if you think people cant come to there own conclusion
By reading all points made & you decided to focus on
One persons point of view above others .
I wonder why that might be ?
Yes I picked out one person who I thought spoke sense, told us he was an immigrant and I could see he was a person of colour.
Someone who I felt was more suited to comment and I agreed with his comments.
Did I ignore Rogue? Pretty sure I replied to him above
I apologise if I'm not falling into line and only commenting where you allow but that's me, you'll never change me
But you ignored Fabio is also an Immigrant
(An Economic immigrant maybe or not)
Because you said he ranted on about the past .
Stuff from the past like Windrush ?
Where People were asked to come here & then 50 years later
Them & some of there kids were sent away from there
families here in the uk .
You really are digging yourself into a hole
Best you stop now .
I said Fabio started well and then went on a rant.
Digging myself a hole and should stop? That's the second time in this thread you have tried to tell me what to do. I've already told you that won't help you
When is bangbang due back? He would love this thread
Im not telling you do anything
Im suggesting for your own reputation
It might be best to stop .
bangbang can do what he likes .
He is no concern of mine .
I think you might be better to stop
The Empire Windrush was calling in to the Caribbean on its way back to Britain from South America
The operators of the ship saw an opportunity to sell tickets as it was half empty. The idea that the government invited West Indians to come to Britain is a complete myth"Erm…. You might want to stop that rabbit hole… employer’s activity did recruit people in the carribean to come to the uk, they were given special stipends to help with accommodating and settling The problem wasn’t the recruiting.. the issue ended up being that most decided to stay rather than going back when they thought they would not be needed | |||
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"Lostindreams as an immigrant himself speaks a good but of sense. Perhaps more people should listen to his views on this subject. We should only listen to 1 person & ignore Those who have a different perspective ? I didn't say ignore other perspectives. I said as an immigrant himself we should perhaps listen to lostindreams more. Should we ignore him because he is only one man? In my view he is better placed than most of us on here to speak on the subject. Ok so you just chose to ignore what other people who came here from somewhere else said . I see what you were trying to say .
Who have I ignored? I see Twisted and Rogue (born in the UK) have both had things to say.
I don't think you do know what I'm trying to say
But you ignored Fabio
Were all the white people commenting born here ?
Im a London Native so you can safely include me
Just because I didn't reply to Fabio doesn't mean his comments were ignored. The point is proved in that I also didn't directly reply to the others either. Fabio started well tbf by saying there has to be acknowledgement and then went off ranting about stuff that happened in the past.
Maybe all the white people here weren't born in the UK. However, the thread is about racism, so unless you're saying that white folk can also experience racism then I'll gladly agree.
That's not what you were saying though, is it?
But you felt the need to point out Lostindreams
Posts & made a statement saying people should take note
Of what he wrote , as if other people wouldnt have
Also read his points & staements .
You picked his words, but ignored Fabios & as far as i see you
Ignored CLs words as you didnt say people should listen to what they have said .
Especially as the the thread wasnt about
Immigrants ,
It was & is about Racism & a little about
Immigrants perspectives on Racism
Its as if you think people cant come to there own conclusion
By reading all points made & you decided to focus on
One persons point of view above others .
I wonder why that might be ?
Yes I picked out one person who I thought spoke sense, told us he was an immigrant and I could see he was a person of colour.
Someone who I felt was more suited to comment and I agreed with his comments.
Did I ignore Rogue? Pretty sure I replied to him above
I apologise if I'm not falling into line and only commenting where you allow but that's me, you'll never change me
But you ignored Fabio is also an Immigrant
(An Economic immigrant maybe or not)
Because you said he ranted on about the past .
Stuff from the past like Windrush ?
Where People were asked to come here & then 50 years later
Them & some of there kids were sent away from there
families here in the uk .
You really are digging yourself into a hole
Best you stop now .
I said Fabio started well and then went on a rant.
Digging myself a hole and should stop? That's the second time in this thread you have tried to tell me what to do. I've already told you that won't help you
When is bangbang due back? He would love this thread
Im not telling you do anything
Im suggesting for your own reputation
It might be best to stop .
bangbang can do what he likes .
He is no concern of mine .
I think you might be better to stop
The Empire Windrush was calling in to the Caribbean on its way back to Britain from South America
The operators of the ship saw an opportunity to sell tickets as it was half empty. The idea that the government invited West Indians to come to Britain is a complete myth
Erm…. You might want to stop that rabbit hole… employer’s activity did recruit people in the carribean to come to the uk, they were given special stipends to help with accommodating and settling
The problem wasn’t the recruiting.. the issue ended up being that most decided to stay rather than going back when they thought they would not be needed "I won't be stopping any rabbit hole thanks. The government did not ask them to come, that's just a fact The issue they had was with accommodation and lots were temporarily housed in a hanger - in Clapham I believe | |||
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"Lostindreams as an immigrant himself speaks a good but of sense. Perhaps more people should listen to his views on this subject. We should only listen to 1 person & ignore Those who have a different perspective ? I didn't say ignore other perspectives. I said as an immigrant himself we should perhaps listen to lostindreams more. Should we ignore him because he is only one man? In my view he is better placed than most of us on here to speak on the subject. Ok so you just chose to ignore what other people who came here from somewhere else said . I see what you were trying to say .
Who have I ignored? I see Twisted and Rogue (born in the UK) have both had things to say.
I don't think you do know what I'm trying to say
But you ignored Fabio
Were all the white people commenting born here ?
Im a London Native so you can safely include me
Just because I didn't reply to Fabio doesn't mean his comments were ignored. The point is proved in that I also didn't directly reply to the others either. Fabio started well tbf by saying there has to be acknowledgement and then went off ranting about stuff that happened in the past.
Maybe all the white people here weren't born in the UK. However, the thread is about racism, so unless you're saying that white folk can also experience racism then I'll gladly agree.
That's not what you were saying though, is it?
But you felt the need to point out Lostindreams
Posts & made a statement saying people should take note
Of what he wrote , as if other people wouldnt have
Also read his points & staements .
You picked his words, but ignored Fabios & as far as i see you
Ignored CLs words as you didnt say people should listen to what they have said .
Especially as the the thread wasnt about
Immigrants ,
It was & is about Racism & a little about
Immigrants perspectives on Racism
Its as if you think people cant come to there own conclusion
By reading all points made & you decided to focus on
One persons point of view above others .
I wonder why that might be ?
Yes I picked out one person who I thought spoke sense, told us he was an immigrant and I could see he was a person of colour.
Someone who I felt was more suited to comment and I agreed with his comments.
Did I ignore Rogue? Pretty sure I replied to him above
I apologise if I'm not falling into line and only commenting where you allow but that's me, you'll never change me
But you ignored Fabio is also an Immigrant
(An Economic immigrant maybe or not)
Because you said he ranted on about the past .
Stuff from the past like Windrush ?
Where People were asked to come here & then 50 years later
Them & some of there kids were sent away from there
families here in the uk .
You really are digging yourself into a hole
Best you stop now .
I said Fabio started well and then went on a rant.
Digging myself a hole and should stop? That's the second time in this thread you have tried to tell me what to do. I've already told you that won't help you
When is bangbang due back? He would love this thread
Im not telling you do anything
Im suggesting for your own reputation
It might be best to stop .
bangbang can do what he likes .
He is no concern of mine .
I think you might be better to stop
The Empire Windrush was calling in to the Caribbean on its way back to Britain from South America
The operators of the ship saw an opportunity to sell tickets as it was half empty. The idea that the government invited West Indians to come to Britain is a complete myth
Erm…. You might want to stop that rabbit hole… employer’s activity did recruit people in the carribean to come to the uk, they were given special stipends to help with accommodating and settling
The problem wasn’t the recruiting.. the issue ended up being that most decided to stay rather than going back when they thought they would not be needed
I won't be stopping any rabbit hole thanks. The government did not ask them to come, that's just a fact
The issue they had was with accommodation and lots were temporarily housed in a hanger - in Clapham I believe "Actually they were recruited by the big nationalised entities such as the then newly formed NHS… and especially companies within the expanding post war bus and railway industries… Actually in the beginning a lot of nurses came here not knowing what parts of the country they would end it in.. that is why you ended up with black enclaves in cities you would not have thought would… Like I said… the problem wasn’t that they came, the issue was they stayed! If you are going to quote history then you better know your history… | |||
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"Lostindreams as an immigrant himself speaks a good but of sense. Perhaps more people should listen to his views on this subject. We should only listen to 1 person & ignore Those who have a different perspective ? I didn't say ignore other perspectives. I said as an immigrant himself we should perhaps listen to lostindreams more. Should we ignore him because he is only one man? In my view he is better placed than most of us on here to speak on the subject. Ok so you just chose to ignore what other people who came here from somewhere else said . I see what you were trying to say .
Who have I ignored? I see Twisted and Rogue (born in the UK) have both had things to say.
I don't think you do know what I'm trying to say
But you ignored Fabio
Were all the white people commenting born here ?
Im a London Native so you can safely include me
Just because I didn't reply to Fabio doesn't mean his comments were ignored. The point is proved in that I also didn't directly reply to the others either. Fabio started well tbf by saying there has to be acknowledgement and then went off ranting about stuff that happened in the past.
Maybe all the white people here weren't born in the UK. However, the thread is about racism, so unless you're saying that white folk can also experience racism then I'll gladly agree.
That's not what you were saying though, is it?
But you felt the need to point out Lostindreams
Posts & made a statement saying people should take note
Of what he wrote , as if other people wouldnt have
Also read his points & staements .
You picked his words, but ignored Fabios & as far as i see you
Ignored CLs words as you didnt say people should listen to what they have said .
Especially as the the thread wasnt about
Immigrants ,
It was & is about Racism & a little about
Immigrants perspectives on Racism
Its as if you think people cant come to there own conclusion
By reading all points made & you decided to focus on
One persons point of view above others .
I wonder why that might be ?
Yes I picked out one person who I thought spoke sense, told us he was an immigrant and I could see he was a person of colour.
Someone who I felt was more suited to comment and I agreed with his comments.
Did I ignore Rogue? Pretty sure I replied to him above
I apologise if I'm not falling into line and only commenting where you allow but that's me, you'll never change me
But you ignored Fabio is also an Immigrant
(An Economic immigrant maybe or not)
Because you said he ranted on about the past .
Stuff from the past like Windrush ?
Where People were asked to come here & then 50 years later
Them & some of there kids were sent away from there
families here in the uk .
You really are digging yourself into a hole
Best you stop now .
I said Fabio started well and then went on a rant.
Digging myself a hole and should stop? That's the second time in this thread you have tried to tell me what to do. I've already told you that won't help you
When is bangbang due back? He would love this thread
Im not telling you do anything
Im suggesting for your own reputation
It might be best to stop .
bangbang can do what he likes .
He is no concern of mine .
I think you might be better to stop
The Empire Windrush was calling in to the Caribbean on its way back to Britain from South America
The operators of the ship saw an opportunity to sell tickets as it was half empty. The idea that the government invited West Indians to come to Britain is a complete myth
Erm…. You might want to stop that rabbit hole… employer’s activity did recruit people in the carribean to come to the uk, they were given special stipends to help with accommodating and settling
The problem wasn’t the recruiting.. the issue ended up being that most decided to stay rather than going back when they thought they would not be needed
I won't be stopping any rabbit hole thanks. The government did not ask them to come, that's just a fact
The issue they had was with accommodation and lots were temporarily housed in a hanger - in Clapham I believe
Actually they were recruited by the big nationalised entities such as the then newly formed NHS… and especially companies within the expanding post war bus and railway industries…
Actually in the beginning a lot of nurses came here not knowing what parts of the country they would end it in.. that is why you ended up with black enclaves in cities you would not have thought would…
Like I said… the problem wasn’t that they came, the issue was they stayed!
If you are going to quote history then you better know your history…"It seems that you're not disagreeing with any points I made and I'm not disagreeing with your points And I'm well aware of historical facts. I think you might need some educating however | |||
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"Lostindreams as an immigrant himself speaks a good but of sense. Perhaps more people should listen to his views on this subject. We should only listen to 1 person & ignore Those who have a different perspective ? I didn't say ignore other perspectives. I said as an immigrant himself we should perhaps listen to lostindreams more. Should we ignore him because he is only one man? In my view he is better placed than most of us on here to speak on the subject. Ok so you just chose to ignore what other people who came here from somewhere else said . I see what you were trying to say .
Who have I ignored? I see Twisted and Rogue (born in the UK) have both had things to say.
I don't think you do know what I'm trying to say
But you ignored Fabio
Were all the white people commenting born here ?
Im a London Native so you can safely include me
Just because I didn't reply to Fabio doesn't mean his comments were ignored. The point is proved in that I also didn't directly reply to the others either. Fabio started well tbf by saying there has to be acknowledgement and then went off ranting about stuff that happened in the past.
Maybe all the white people here weren't born in the UK. However, the thread is about racism, so unless you're saying that white folk can also experience racism then I'll gladly agree.
That's not what you were saying though, is it?
But you felt the need to point out Lostindreams
Posts & made a statement saying people should take note
Of what he wrote , as if other people wouldnt have
Also read his points & staements .
You picked his words, but ignored Fabios & as far as i see you
Ignored CLs words as you didnt say people should listen to what they have said .
Especially as the the thread wasnt about
Immigrants ,
It was & is about Racism & a little about
Immigrants perspectives on Racism
Its as if you think people cant come to there own conclusion
By reading all points made & you decided to focus on
One persons point of view above others .
I wonder why that might be ?
Yes I picked out one person who I thought spoke sense, told us he was an immigrant and I could see he was a person of colour.
Someone who I felt was more suited to comment and I agreed with his comments.
Did I ignore Rogue? Pretty sure I replied to him above
I apologise if I'm not falling into line and only commenting where you allow but that's me, you'll never change me
But you ignored Fabio is also an Immigrant
(An Economic immigrant maybe or not)
Because you said he ranted on about the past .
Stuff from the past like Windrush ?
Where People were asked to come here & then 50 years later
Them & some of there kids were sent away from there
families here in the uk .
You really are digging yourself into a hole
Best you stop now .
I said Fabio started well and then went on a rant.
Digging myself a hole and should stop? That's the second time in this thread you have tried to tell me what to do. I've already told you that won't help you
When is bangbang due back? He would love this thread
Im not telling you do anything
Im suggesting for your own reputation
It might be best to stop .
bangbang can do what he likes .
He is no concern of mine .
I think you might be better to stop
The Empire Windrush was calling in to the Caribbean on its way back to Britain from South America
The operators of the ship saw an opportunity to sell tickets as it was half empty. The idea that the government invited West Indians to come to Britain is a complete myth
Erm…. You might want to stop that rabbit hole… employer’s activity did recruit people in the carribean to come to the uk, they were given special stipends to help with accommodating and settling
The problem wasn’t the recruiting.. the issue ended up being that most decided to stay rather than going back when they thought they would not be needed
I won't be stopping any rabbit hole thanks. The government did not ask them to come, that's just a fact
The issue they had was with accommodation and lots were temporarily housed in a hanger - in Clapham I believe
Actually they were recruited by the big nationalised entities such as the then newly formed NHS… and especially companies within the expanding post war bus and railway industries…
Actually in the beginning a lot of nurses came here not knowing what parts of the country they would end it in.. that is why you ended up with black enclaves in cities you would not have thought would…
Like I said… the problem wasn’t that they came, the issue was they stayed!
If you are going to quote history then you better know your history…
It seems that you're not disagreeing with any points I made and I'm not disagreeing with your points
And I'm well aware of historical facts. I think you might need some educating however"You said they were not asked to come. | |||
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"Lostindreams as an immigrant himself speaks a good but of sense. Perhaps more people should listen to his views on this subject. We should only listen to 1 person & ignore Those who have a different perspective ? I didn't say ignore other perspectives. I said as an immigrant himself we should perhaps listen to lostindreams more. Should we ignore him because he is only one man? In my view he is better placed than most of us on here to speak on the subject. Ok so you just chose to ignore what other people who came here from somewhere else said . I see what you were trying to say .
Who have I ignored? I see Twisted and Rogue (born in the UK) have both had things to say.
I don't think you do know what I'm trying to say
But you ignored Fabio
Were all the white people commenting born here ?
Im a London Native so you can safely include me
Just because I didn't reply to Fabio doesn't mean his comments were ignored. The point is proved in that I also didn't directly reply to the others either. Fabio started well tbf by saying there has to be acknowledgement and then went off ranting about stuff that happened in the past.
Maybe all the white people here weren't born in the UK. However, the thread is about racism, so unless you're saying that white folk can also experience racism then I'll gladly agree.
That's not what you were saying though, is it?
But you felt the need to point out Lostindreams
Posts & made a statement saying people should take note
Of what he wrote , as if other people wouldnt have
Also read his points & staements .
You picked his words, but ignored Fabios & as far as i see you
Ignored CLs words as you didnt say people should listen to what they have said .
Especially as the the thread wasnt about
Immigrants ,
It was & is about Racism & a little about
Immigrants perspectives on Racism
Its as if you think people cant come to there own conclusion
By reading all points made & you decided to focus on
One persons point of view above others .
I wonder why that might be ?
Yes I picked out one person who I thought spoke sense, told us he was an immigrant and I could see he was a person of colour.
Someone who I felt was more suited to comment and I agreed with his comments.
Did I ignore Rogue? Pretty sure I replied to him above
I apologise if I'm not falling into line and only commenting where you allow but that's me, you'll never change me
But you ignored Fabio is also an Immigrant
(An Economic immigrant maybe or not)
Because you said he ranted on about the past .
Stuff from the past like Windrush ?
Where People were asked to come here & then 50 years later
Them & some of there kids were sent away from there
families here in the uk .
You really are digging yourself into a hole
Best you stop now .
I said Fabio started well and then went on a rant.
Digging myself a hole and should stop? That's the second time in this thread you have tried to tell me what to do. I've already told you that won't help you
When is bangbang due back? He would love this thread
Im not telling you do anything
Im suggesting for your own reputation
It might be best to stop .
bangbang can do what he likes .
He is no concern of mine .
I think you might be better to stop
The Empire Windrush was calling in to the Caribbean on its way back to Britain from South America
The operators of the ship saw an opportunity to sell tickets as it was half empty. The idea that the government invited West Indians to come to Britain is a complete myth
Erm…. You might want to stop that rabbit hole… employer’s activity did recruit people in the carribean to come to the uk, they were given special stipends to help with accommodating and settling
The problem wasn’t the recruiting.. the issue ended up being that most decided to stay rather than going back when they thought they would not be needed
I won't be stopping any rabbit hole thanks. The government did not ask them to come, that's just a fact
The issue they had was with accommodation and lots were temporarily housed in a hanger - in Clapham I believe
Actually they were recruited by the big nationalised entities such as the then newly formed NHS… and especially companies within the expanding post war bus and railway industries…
Actually in the beginning a lot of nurses came here not knowing what parts of the country they would end it in.. that is why you ended up with black enclaves in cities you would not have thought would…
Like I said… the problem wasn’t that they came, the issue was they stayed!
If you are going to quote history then you better know your history…
It seems that you're not disagreeing with any points I made and I'm not disagreeing with your points
And I'm well aware of historical facts. I think you might need some educating however
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"Lostindreams as an immigrant himself speaks a good but of sense. Perhaps more people should listen to his views on this subject. We should only listen to 1 person & ignore Those who have a different perspective ? I didn't say ignore other perspectives. I said as an immigrant himself we should perhaps listen to lostindreams more. Should we ignore him because he is only one man? In my view he is better placed than most of us on here to speak on the subject. Ok so you just chose to ignore what other people who came here from somewhere else said . I see what you were trying to say .
Who have I ignored? I see Twisted and Rogue (born in the UK) have both had things to say.
I don't think you do know what I'm trying to say
But you ignored Fabio
Were all the white people commenting born here ?
Im a London Native so you can safely include me
Just because I didn't reply to Fabio doesn't mean his comments were ignored. The point is proved in that I also didn't directly reply to the others either. Fabio started well tbf by saying there has to be acknowledgement and then went off ranting about stuff that happened in the past.
Maybe all the white people here weren't born in the UK. However, the thread is about racism, so unless you're saying that white folk can also experience racism then I'll gladly agree.
That's not what you were saying though, is it?
But you felt the need to point out Lostindreams
Posts & made a statement saying people should take note
Of what he wrote , as if other people wouldnt have
Also read his points & staements .
You picked his words, but ignored Fabios & as far as i see you
Ignored CLs words as you didnt say people should listen to what they have said .
Especially as the the thread wasnt about
Immigrants ,
It was & is about Racism & a little about
Immigrants perspectives on Racism
Its as if you think people cant come to there own conclusion
By reading all points made & you decided to focus on
One persons point of view above others .
I wonder why that might be ?
Yes I picked out one person who I thought spoke sense, told us he was an immigrant and I could see he was a person of colour.
Someone who I felt was more suited to comment and I agreed with his comments.
Did I ignore Rogue? Pretty sure I replied to him above
I apologise if I'm not falling into line and only commenting where you allow but that's me, you'll never change me
But you ignored Fabio is also an Immigrant
(An Economic immigrant maybe or not)
Because you said he ranted on about the past .
Stuff from the past like Windrush ?
Where People were asked to come here & then 50 years later
Them & some of there kids were sent away from there
families here in the uk .
You really are digging yourself into a hole
Best you stop now .
I said Fabio started well and then went on a rant.
Digging myself a hole and should stop? That's the second time in this thread you have tried to tell me what to do. I've already told you that won't help you
When is bangbang due back? He would love this thread
Im not telling you do anything
Im suggesting for your own reputation
It might be best to stop .
bangbang can do what he likes .
He is no concern of mine .
I think you might be better to stop
The Empire Windrush was calling in to the Caribbean on its way back to Britain from South America
The operators of the ship saw an opportunity to sell tickets as it was half empty. The idea that the government invited West Indians to come to Britain is a complete myth
Erm…. You might want to stop that rabbit hole… employer’s activity did recruit people in the carribean to come to the uk, they were given special stipends to help with accommodating and settling
The problem wasn’t the recruiting.. the issue ended up being that most decided to stay rather than going back when they thought they would not be needed
I won't be stopping any rabbit hole thanks. The government did not ask them to come, that's just a fact
The issue they had was with accommodation and lots were temporarily housed in a hanger - in Clapham I believe
Actually they were recruited by the big nationalised entities such as the then newly formed NHS… and especially companies within the expanding post war bus and railway industries…
Actually in the beginning a lot of nurses came here not knowing what parts of the country they would end it in.. that is why you ended up with black enclaves in cities you would not have thought would…
Like I said… the problem wasn’t that they came, the issue was they stayed!
If you are going to quote history then you better know your history…
It seems that you're not disagreeing with any points I made and I'm not disagreeing with your points
And I'm well aware of historical facts. I think you might need some educating however
You said they were not asked to come.
Correct. And Fabio didn't say that they were either "He said they were recruited by the big industries,? | |||
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"Lostindreams as an immigrant himself speaks a good but of sense. Perhaps more people should listen to his views on this subject. We should only listen to 1 person & ignore Those who have a different perspective ? I didn't say ignore other perspectives. I said as an immigrant himself we should perhaps listen to lostindreams more. Should we ignore him because he is only one man? In my view he is better placed than most of us on here to speak on the subject. Ok so you just chose to ignore what other people who came here from somewhere else said . I see what you were trying to say .
Who have I ignored? I see Twisted and Rogue (born in the UK) have both had things to say.
I don't think you do know what I'm trying to say
But you ignored Fabio
Were all the white people commenting born here ?
Im a London Native so you can safely include me
Just because I didn't reply to Fabio doesn't mean his comments were ignored. The point is proved in that I also didn't directly reply to the others either. Fabio started well tbf by saying there has to be acknowledgement and then went off ranting about stuff that happened in the past.
Maybe all the white people here weren't born in the UK. However, the thread is about racism, so unless you're saying that white folk can also experience racism then I'll gladly agree.
That's not what you were saying though, is it?
But you felt the need to point out Lostindreams
Posts & made a statement saying people should take note
Of what he wrote , as if other people wouldnt have
Also read his points & staements .
You picked his words, but ignored Fabios & as far as i see you
Ignored CLs words as you didnt say people should listen to what they have said .
Especially as the the thread wasnt about
Immigrants ,
It was & is about Racism & a little about
Immigrants perspectives on Racism
Its as if you think people cant come to there own conclusion
By reading all points made & you decided to focus on
One persons point of view above others .
I wonder why that might be ?
Yes I picked out one person who I thought spoke sense, told us he was an immigrant and I could see he was a person of colour.
Someone who I felt was more suited to comment and I agreed with his comments.
Did I ignore Rogue? Pretty sure I replied to him above
I apologise if I'm not falling into line and only commenting where you allow but that's me, you'll never change me
But you ignored Fabio is also an Immigrant
(An Economic immigrant maybe or not)
Because you said he ranted on about the past .
Stuff from the past like Windrush ?
Where People were asked to come here & then 50 years later
Them & some of there kids were sent away from there
families here in the uk .
You really are digging yourself into a hole
Best you stop now .
I said Fabio started well and then went on a rant.
Digging myself a hole and should stop? That's the second time in this thread you have tried to tell me what to do. I've already told you that won't help you
When is bangbang due back? He would love this thread
Im not telling you do anything
Im suggesting for your own reputation
It might be best to stop .
bangbang can do what he likes .
He is no concern of mine .
I think you might be better to stop
The Empire Windrush was calling in to the Caribbean on its way back to Britain from South America
The operators of the ship saw an opportunity to sell tickets as it was half empty. The idea that the government invited West Indians to come to Britain is a complete myth
Erm…. You might want to stop that rabbit hole… employer’s activity did recruit people in the carribean to come to the uk, they were given special stipends to help with accommodating and settling
The problem wasn’t the recruiting.. the issue ended up being that most decided to stay rather than going back when they thought they would not be needed
I won't be stopping any rabbit hole thanks. The government did not ask them to come, that's just a fact
The issue they had was with accommodation and lots were temporarily housed in a hanger - in Clapham I believe
Actually they were recruited by the big nationalised entities such as the then newly formed NHS… and especially companies within the expanding post war bus and railway industries…
Actually in the beginning a lot of nurses came here not knowing what parts of the country they would end it in.. that is why you ended up with black enclaves in cities you would not have thought would…
Like I said… the problem wasn’t that they came, the issue was they stayed!
If you are going to quote history then you better know your history…
It seems that you're not disagreeing with any points I made and I'm not disagreeing with your points
And I'm well aware of historical facts. I think you might need some educating however"Well then if we agree that nurses were actively recruited by the NHS to “help the motherland” and that the NHS was entirely a UK government functionally run entity… run by the department of health Then what part of your statement in that “the uk government did not invite people to come here” is true…. Like I said… don’t go down the rabbit hole | |||
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"Lostindreams as an immigrant himself speaks a good but of sense. Perhaps more people should listen to his views on this subject. We should only listen to 1 person & ignore Those who have a different perspective ? I didn't say ignore other perspectives. I said as an immigrant himself we should perhaps listen to lostindreams more. Should we ignore him because he is only one man? In my view he is better placed than most of us on here to speak on the subject. Ok so you just chose to ignore what other people who came here from somewhere else said . I see what you were trying to say .
Who have I ignored? I see Twisted and Rogue (born in the UK) have both had things to say.
I don't think you do know what I'm trying to say
But you ignored Fabio
Were all the white people commenting born here ?
Im a London Native so you can safely include me
Just because I didn't reply to Fabio doesn't mean his comments were ignored. The point is proved in that I also didn't directly reply to the others either. Fabio started well tbf by saying there has to be acknowledgement and then went off ranting about stuff that happened in the past.
Maybe all the white people here weren't born in the UK. However, the thread is about racism, so unless you're saying that white folk can also experience racism then I'll gladly agree.
That's not what you were saying though, is it?
But you felt the need to point out Lostindreams
Posts & made a statement saying people should take note
Of what he wrote , as if other people wouldnt have
Also read his points & staements .
You picked his words, but ignored Fabios & as far as i see you
Ignored CLs words as you didnt say people should listen to what they have said .
Especially as the the thread wasnt about
Immigrants ,
It was & is about Racism & a little about
Immigrants perspectives on Racism
Its as if you think people cant come to there own conclusion
By reading all points made & you decided to focus on
One persons point of view above others .
I wonder why that might be ?
Yes I picked out one person who I thought spoke sense, told us he was an immigrant and I could see he was a person of colour.
Someone who I felt was more suited to comment and I agreed with his comments.
Did I ignore Rogue? Pretty sure I replied to him above
I apologise if I'm not falling into line and only commenting where you allow but that's me, you'll never change me
But you ignored Fabio is also an Immigrant
(An Economic immigrant maybe or not)
Because you said he ranted on about the past .
Stuff from the past like Windrush ?
Where People were asked to come here & then 50 years later
Them & some of there kids were sent away from there
families here in the uk .
You really are digging yourself into a hole
Best you stop now .
I said Fabio started well and then went on a rant.
Digging myself a hole and should stop? That's the second time in this thread you have tried to tell me what to do. I've already told you that won't help you
When is bangbang due back? He would love this thread
Im not telling you do anything
Im suggesting for your own reputation
It might be best to stop .
bangbang can do what he likes .
He is no concern of mine .
I think you might be better to stop
The Empire Windrush was calling in to the Caribbean on its way back to Britain from South America
The operators of the ship saw an opportunity to sell tickets as it was half empty. The idea that the government invited West Indians to come to Britain is a complete myth
Erm…. You might want to stop that rabbit hole… employer’s activity did recruit people in the carribean to come to the uk, they were given special stipends to help with accommodating and settling
The problem wasn’t the recruiting.. the issue ended up being that most decided to stay rather than going back when they thought they would not be needed
I won't be stopping any rabbit hole thanks. The government did not ask them to come, that's just a fact
The issue they had was with accommodation and lots were temporarily housed in a hanger - in Clapham I believe
Actually they were recruited by the big nationalised entities such as the then newly formed NHS… and especially companies within the expanding post war bus and railway industries…
Actually in the beginning a lot of nurses came here not knowing what parts of the country they would end it in.. that is why you ended up with black enclaves in cities you would not have thought would…
Like I said… the problem wasn’t that they came, the issue was they stayed!
If you are going to quote history then you better know your history…
It seems that you're not disagreeing with any points I made and I'm not disagreeing with your points
And I'm well aware of historical facts. I think you might need some educating however
Well then if we agree that nurses were actively recruited by the NHS to “help the motherland” and that the NHS was entirely a UK government functionally run entity… run by the department of health
Then what part of your statement in that “the uk government did not invite people to come here” is true….
Like I said… don’t go down the rabbit hole "Being asked to come here and being recruited by the NHS are not the same thing. I think you know that | |||
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