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The last post in the original thread mentioned deflection whilst also managing to shoehorn the totally irrelevant matter of what France contributes.
Most of the people who think it's the right thing to do consistently mention that the money be spent on 'our '
own needy'
Once again, unsurprisingly ,the detail of who exactly this is,is thin on the ground
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"The last post in the original thread mentioned deflection whilst also managing to shoehorn the totally irrelevant matter of what France contributes.
Most of the people who think it's the right thing to do consistently mention that the money be spent on 'our '
own needy'
Once again, unsurprisingly ,the detail of who exactly this is,is thin on the ground
"
https://www.itv.com/news/2021-07-13/mps-to-vote-on-foreign-aid-cut-with-government-braced-for-tory-rebellion
He said the UK’s public finances are under a "greater strain than ever before in peacetime history" adding "every pound we spend on aid has to be borrowed and, in fact, represents not our money but money that we’re taking from future generations."
Tldr: The money is staying with whoever would've bought bonds for the UK to waste money on foreign aid |
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"The last post in the original thread mentioned deflection whilst also managing to shoehorn the totally irrelevant matter of what France contributes.
Most of the people who think it's the right thing to do consistently mention that the money be spent on 'our '
own needy'
Once again, unsurprisingly ,the detail of who exactly this is,is thin on the ground
https://www.itv.com/news/2021-07-13/mps-to-vote-on-foreign-aid-cut-with-government-braced-for-tory-rebellion
He said the UK’s public finances are under a "greater strain than ever before in peacetime history" adding "every pound we spend on aid has to be borrowed and, in fact, represents not our money but money that we’re taking from future generations."
Tldr: The money is staying with whoever would've bought bonds for the UK to waste money on foreign aid"
Right
So we are watching every penny.
That seems a reasonable policy
How much has been pissed away on track and trace and ppe contracts again btw? |
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"The last post in the original thread mentioned deflection whilst also managing to shoehorn the totally irrelevant matter of what France contributes.
Most of the people who think it's the right thing to do consistently mention that the money be spent on 'our '
own needy'
Once again, unsurprisingly ,the detail of who exactly this is,is thin on the ground
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So its ok to mention countries that contribute more than 0.5% but not ones that contribute the same or less? 
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"The last post in the original thread mentioned deflection whilst also managing to shoehorn the totally irrelevant matter of what France contributes.
Most of the people who think it's the right thing to do consistently mention that the money be spent on 'our '
own needy'
Once again, unsurprisingly ,the detail of who exactly this is,is thin on the ground
https://www.itv.com/news/2021-07-13/mps-to-vote-on-foreign-aid-cut-with-government-braced-for-tory-rebellion
He said the UK’s public finances are under a "greater strain than ever before in peacetime history" adding "every pound we spend on aid has to be borrowed and, in fact, represents not our money but money that we’re taking from future generations."
Tldr: The money is staying with whoever would've bought bonds for the UK to waste money on foreign aid
Right
So we are watching every penny.
That seems a reasonable policy
How much has been pissed away on track and trace and ppe contracts again btw?"
Why do you keep moving the goal post? If you dropped a tenner should you burn another tenner because you've just lost a tenner?
My view on covid is that they should've left everything as it was and do the same as they did for ebola/swineflu. |
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"The last post in the original thread mentioned deflection whilst also managing to shoehorn the totally irrelevant matter of what France contributes.
Most of the people who think it's the right thing to do consistently mention that the money be spent on 'our '
own needy'
Once again, unsurprisingly ,the detail of who exactly this is,is thin on the ground
https://www.itv.com/news/2021-07-13/mps-to-vote-on-foreign-aid-cut-with-government-braced-for-tory-rebellion
He said the UK’s public finances are under a "greater strain than ever before in peacetime history" adding "every pound we spend on aid has to be borrowed and, in fact, represents not our money but money that we’re taking from future generations."
Tldr: The money is staying with whoever would've bought bonds for the UK to waste money on foreign aid
Right
So we are watching every penny.
That seems a reasonable policy
How much has been pissed away on track and trace and ppe contracts again btw?
Why do you keep moving the goal post? If you dropped a tenner should you burn another tenner because you've just lost a tenner?
My view on covid is that they should've left everything as it was and do the same as they did for ebola/swineflu."
I'm not moving the goal posts at all
Johnson is saying we have to be more prudent.
So how does that fit in with giving billions away to his mate
Let's be honest here,a gmnt who voted against free school meals and gave nurses a 1% pay rise ,is not gonna give this whopping less than half a percent to the poor and needy in this country. |
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"The last post in the original thread mentioned deflection whilst also managing to shoehorn the totally irrelevant matter of what France contributes.
Most of the people who think it's the right thing to do consistently mention that the money be spent on 'our '
own needy'
Once again, unsurprisingly ,the detail of who exactly this is,is thin on the ground
"
how about the kids in the school holidays it could feed them didn’t you have a lot to say about that a few months back maybe our homeless don’t they deserve a roof over there heads ???? |
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"The last post in the original thread mentioned deflection whilst also managing to shoehorn the totally irrelevant matter of what France contributes.
Most of the people who think it's the right thing to do consistently mention that the money be spent on 'our '
own needy'
Once again, unsurprisingly ,the detail of who exactly this is,is thin on the ground
https://www.itv.com/news/2021-07-13/mps-to-vote-on-foreign-aid-cut-with-government-braced-for-tory-rebellion
He said the UK’s public finances are under a "greater strain than ever before in peacetime history" adding "every pound we spend on aid has to be borrowed and, in fact, represents not our money but money that we’re taking from future generations."
Tldr: The money is staying with whoever would've bought bonds for the UK to waste money on foreign aid
Right
So we are watching every penny.
That seems a reasonable policy
How much has been pissed away on track and trace and ppe contracts again btw?
Why do you keep moving the goal post? If you dropped a tenner should you burn another tenner because you've just lost a tenner?
My view on covid is that they should've left everything as it was and do the same as they did for ebola/swineflu.
I'm not moving the goal posts at all
Johnson is saying we have to be more prudent.
So how does that fit in with giving billions away to his mate
Let's be honest here,a gmnt who voted against free school meals and gave nurses a 1% pay rise ,is not gonna give this whopping less than half a percent to the poor and needy in this country."
but you trust governments in Africa to not give foreign aid to there mates lol |
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"The last post in the original thread mentioned deflection whilst also managing to shoehorn the totally irrelevant matter of what France contributes.
Most of the people who think it's the right thing to do consistently mention that the money be spent on 'our '
own needy'
Once again, unsurprisingly ,the detail of who exactly this is,is thin on the ground
how about the kids in the school holidays it could feed them didn’t you have a lot to say about that a few months back maybe our homeless don’t they deserve a roof over there heads ????"
Are you saying they are going to go back on free school meals?
That's great news
.where Did you read this? |
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"The last post in the original thread mentioned deflection whilst also managing to shoehorn the totally irrelevant matter of what France contributes.
Most of the people who think it's the right thing to do consistently mention that the money be spent on 'our '
own needy'
Once again, unsurprisingly ,the detail of who exactly this is,is thin on the ground
https://www.itv.com/news/2021-07-13/mps-to-vote-on-foreign-aid-cut-with-government-braced-for-tory-rebellion
He said the UK’s public finances are under a "greater strain than ever before in peacetime history" adding "every pound we spend on aid has to be borrowed and, in fact, represents not our money but money that we’re taking from future generations."
Tldr: The money is staying with whoever would've bought bonds for the UK to waste money on foreign aid
Right
So we are watching every penny.
That seems a reasonable policy
How much has been pissed away on track and trace and ppe contracts again btw?
Why do you keep moving the goal post? If you dropped a tenner should you burn another tenner because you've just lost a tenner?
My view on covid is that they should've left everything as it was and do the same as they did for ebola/swineflu.
I'm not moving the goal posts at all
Johnson is saying we have to be more prudent.
So how does that fit in with giving billions away to his mate
Let's be honest here,a gmnt who voted against free school meals and gave nurses a 1% pay rise ,is not gonna give this whopping less than half a percent to the poor and needy in this country.but you trust governments in Africa to not give foreign aid to there mates lol"
Right.
When did this happen? |
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"The last post in the original thread mentioned deflection whilst also managing to shoehorn the totally irrelevant matter of what France contributes.
Most of the people who think it's the right thing to do consistently mention that the money be spent on 'our '
own needy'
Once again, unsurprisingly ,the detail of who exactly this is,is thin on the ground
https://www.itv.com/news/2021-07-13/mps-to-vote-on-foreign-aid-cut-with-government-braced-for-tory-rebellion
He said the UK’s public finances are under a "greater strain than ever before in peacetime history" adding "every pound we spend on aid has to be borrowed and, in fact, represents not our money but money that we’re taking from future generations."
Tldr: The money is staying with whoever would've bought bonds for the UK to waste money on foreign aid
Right
So we are watching every penny.
That seems a reasonable policy
How much has been pissed away on track and trace and ppe contracts again btw?
Why do you keep moving the goal post? If you dropped a tenner should you burn another tenner because you've just lost a tenner?
My view on covid is that they should've left everything as it was and do the same as they did for ebola/swineflu.
I'm not moving the goal posts at all
Johnson is saying we have to be more prudent.
So how does that fit in with giving billions away to his mate
Let's be honest here,a gmnt who voted against free school meals and gave nurses a 1% pay rise ,is not gonna give this whopping less than half a percent to the poor and needy in this country."
You seem to think everyone who agrees with the foreign aid budget being cut is a conservative
If you're so adamant on giving money away to foreign nations I suggest you dip into your own pocket and start donating to make up the short fall. If you want to assume it's a 50/50 split agree to disagree then let's just say that's roughly 30 million people each way, so if you give £133 each you'll make up the shortfall  |
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"The last post in the original thread mentioned deflection whilst also managing to shoehorn the totally irrelevant matter of what France contributes.
Most of the people who think it's the right thing to do consistently mention that the money be spent on 'our '
own needy'
Once again, unsurprisingly ,the detail of who exactly this is,is thin on the ground
https://www.itv.com/news/2021-07-13/mps-to-vote-on-foreign-aid-cut-with-government-braced-for-tory-rebellion
He said the UK’s public finances are under a "greater strain than ever before in peacetime history" adding "every pound we spend on aid has to be borrowed and, in fact, represents not our money but money that we’re taking from future generations."
Tldr: The money is staying with whoever would've bought bonds for the UK to waste money on foreign aid
Right
So we are watching every penny.
That seems a reasonable policy
How much has been pissed away on track and trace and ppe contracts again btw?
Why do you keep moving the goal post? If you dropped a tenner should you burn another tenner because you've just lost a tenner?
My view on covid is that they should've left everything as it was and do the same as they did for ebola/swineflu.
I'm not moving the goal posts at all
Johnson is saying we have to be more prudent.
So how does that fit in with giving billions away to his mate
Let's be honest here,a gmnt who voted against free school meals and gave nurses a 1% pay rise ,is not gonna give this whopping less than half a percent to the poor and needy in this country.but you trust governments in Africa to not give foreign aid to there mates lol
Right.
When did this happen?"
what are you on Lionel so foreign aid does go to warlords and Mali tia and to feed army’s land syphoned of by corrupt politicians so you’ve never read that before lol |
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"The last post in the original thread mentioned deflection whilst also managing to shoehorn the totally irrelevant matter of what France contributes.
Most of the people who think it's the right thing to do consistently mention that the money be spent on 'our '
own needy'
Once again, unsurprisingly ,the detail of who exactly this is,is thin on the ground
https://www.itv.com/news/2021-07-13/mps-to-vote-on-foreign-aid-cut-with-government-braced-for-tory-rebellion
He said the UK’s public finances are under a "greater strain than ever before in peacetime history" adding "every pound we spend on aid has to be borrowed and, in fact, represents not our money but money that we’re taking from future generations."
Tldr: The money is staying with whoever would've bought bonds for the UK to waste money on foreign aid
Right
So we are watching every penny.
That seems a reasonable policy
How much has been pissed away on track and trace and ppe contracts again btw?
Why do you keep moving the goal post? If you dropped a tenner should you burn another tenner because you've just lost a tenner?
My view on covid is that they should've left everything as it was and do the same as they did for ebola/swineflu.
I'm not moving the goal posts at all
Johnson is saying we have to be more prudent.
So how does that fit in with giving billions away to his mate
Let's be honest here,a gmnt who voted against free school meals and gave nurses a 1% pay rise ,is not gonna give this whopping less than half a percent to the poor and needy in this country.but you trust governments in Africa to not give foreign aid to there mates lol
Right.
When did this happen? what are you on Lionel so foreign aid does go to warlords and Mali tia and to feed army’s land syphoned of by corrupt politicians so you’ve never read that before lol"
This is the same argument used by the Tory’s not to give poor people in this country more money - they can’t be trusted & will waste it on booz, drugs & a 75” tv. 1% might do this, but should that be the right reason to stop helping the other 99%? |
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"The last post in the original thread mentioned deflection whilst also managing to shoehorn the totally irrelevant matter of what France contributes.
Most of the people who think it's the right thing to do consistently mention that the money be spent on 'our '
own needy'
Once again, unsurprisingly ,the detail of who exactly this is,is thin on the ground
https://www.itv.com/news/2021-07-13/mps-to-vote-on-foreign-aid-cut-with-government-braced-for-tory-rebellion
He said the UK’s public finances are under a "greater strain than ever before in peacetime history" adding "every pound we spend on aid has to be borrowed and, in fact, represents not our money but money that we’re taking from future generations."
Tldr: The money is staying with whoever would've bought bonds for the UK to waste money on foreign aid
Right
So we are watching every penny.
That seems a reasonable policy
How much has been pissed away on track and trace and ppe contracts again btw?
Why do you keep moving the goal post? If you dropped a tenner should you burn another tenner because you've just lost a tenner?
My view on covid is that they should've left everything as it was and do the same as they did for ebola/swineflu.
I'm not moving the goal posts at all
Johnson is saying we have to be more prudent.
So how does that fit in with giving billions away to his mate
Let's be honest here,a gmnt who voted against free school meals and gave nurses a 1% pay rise ,is not gonna give this whopping less than half a percent to the poor and needy in this country.
You seem to think everyone who agrees with the foreign aid budget being cut is a conservative
If you're so adamant on giving money away to foreign nations I suggest you dip into your own pocket and start donating to make up the short fall. If you want to assume it's a 50/50 split agree to disagree then let's just say that's roughly 30 million people each way, so if you give £133 each you'll make up the shortfall "
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"The last post in the original thread mentioned deflection whilst also managing to shoehorn the totally irrelevant matter of what France contributes.
Most of the people who think it's the right thing to do consistently mention that the money be spent on 'our '
own needy'
Once again, unsurprisingly ,the detail of who exactly this is,is thin on the ground
https://www.itv.com/news/2021-07-13/mps-to-vote-on-foreign-aid-cut-with-government-braced-for-tory-rebellion
He said the UK’s public finances are under a "greater strain than ever before in peacetime history" adding "every pound we spend on aid has to be borrowed and, in fact, represents not our money but money that we’re taking from future generations."
Tldr: The money is staying with whoever would've bought bonds for the UK to waste money on foreign aid
Right
So we are watching every penny.
That seems a reasonable policy
How much has been pissed away on track and trace and ppe contracts again btw?
Why do you keep moving the goal post? If you dropped a tenner should you burn another tenner because you've just lost a tenner?
My view on covid is that they should've left everything as it was and do the same as they did for ebola/swineflu.
I'm not moving the goal posts at all
Johnson is saying we have to be more prudent.
So how does that fit in with giving billions away to his mate
Let's be honest here,a gmnt who voted against free school meals and gave nurses a 1% pay rise ,is not gonna give this whopping less than half a percent to the poor and needy in this country."
Who is this mate you have said?
Please post the evidence that this mate was just given billions? |
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"The last post in the original thread mentioned deflection whilst also managing to shoehorn the totally irrelevant matter of what France contributes.
Most of the people who think it's the right thing to do consistently mention that the money be spent on 'our '
own needy'
Once again, unsurprisingly ,the detail of who exactly this is,is thin on the ground
https://www.itv.com/news/2021-07-13/mps-to-vote-on-foreign-aid-cut-with-government-braced-for-tory-rebellion
He said the UK’s public finances are under a "greater strain than ever before in peacetime history" adding "every pound we spend on aid has to be borrowed and, in fact, represents not our money but money that we’re taking from future generations."
Tldr: The money is staying with whoever would've bought bonds for the UK to waste money on foreign aid
Right
So we are watching every penny.
That seems a reasonable policy
How much has been pissed away on track and trace and ppe contracts again btw?
Why do you keep moving the goal post? If you dropped a tenner should you burn another tenner because you've just lost a tenner?
My view on covid is that they should've left everything as it was and do the same as they did for ebola/swineflu.
I'm not moving the goal posts at all
Johnson is saying we have to be more prudent.
So how does that fit in with giving billions away to his mate
Let's be honest here,a gmnt who voted against free school meals and gave nurses a 1% pay rise ,is not gonna give this whopping less than half a percent to the poor and needy in this country.but you trust governments in Africa to not give foreign aid to there mates lol
Right.
When did this happen? what are you on Lionel so foreign aid does go to warlords and Mali tia and to feed army’s land syphoned of by corrupt politicians so you’ve never read that before lol"
https://fullfact.org/economy/uk-spending-foreign-aid/
Pfft
Who needs facts when you have got foxy around. |
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"The last post in the original thread mentioned deflection whilst also managing to shoehorn the totally irrelevant matter of what France contributes.
Most of the people who think it's the right thing to do consistently mention that the money be spent on 'our '
own needy'
Once again, unsurprisingly ,the detail of who exactly this is,is thin on the ground
https://www.itv.com/news/2021-07-13/mps-to-vote-on-foreign-aid-cut-with-government-braced-for-tory-rebellion
He said the UK’s public finances are under a "greater strain than ever before in peacetime history" adding "every pound we spend on aid has to be borrowed and, in fact, represents not our money but money that we’re taking from future generations."
Tldr: The money is staying with whoever would've bought bonds for the UK to waste money on foreign aid
Right
So we are watching every penny.
That seems a reasonable policy
How much has been pissed away on track and trace and ppe contracts again btw?
Why do you keep moving the goal post? If you dropped a tenner should you burn another tenner because you've just lost a tenner?
My view on covid is that they should've left everything as it was and do the same as they did for ebola/swineflu.
I'm not moving the goal posts at all
Johnson is saying we have to be more prudent.
So how does that fit in with giving billions away to his mate
Let's be honest here,a gmnt who voted against free school meals and gave nurses a 1% pay rise ,is not gonna give this whopping less than half a percent to the poor and needy in this country.
Who is this mate you have said?
Please post the evidence that this mate was just given billions?"
Go and read up on the ppe scandal
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"The last post in the original thread mentioned deflection whilst also managing to shoehorn the totally irrelevant matter of what France contributes.
Most of the people who think it's the right thing to do consistently mention that the money be spent on 'our '
own needy'
Once again, unsurprisingly ,the detail of who exactly this is,is thin on the ground
https://www.itv.com/news/2021-07-13/mps-to-vote-on-foreign-aid-cut-with-government-braced-for-tory-rebellion
He said the UK’s public finances are under a "greater strain than ever before in peacetime history" adding "every pound we spend on aid has to be borrowed and, in fact, represents not our money but money that we’re taking from future generations."
Tldr: The money is staying with whoever would've bought bonds for the UK to waste money on foreign aid
Right
So we are watching every penny.
That seems a reasonable policy
How much has been pissed away on track and trace and ppe contracts again btw?
Why do you keep moving the goal post? If you dropped a tenner should you burn another tenner because you've just lost a tenner?
My view on covid is that they should've left everything as it was and do the same as they did for ebola/swineflu.
I'm not moving the goal posts at all
Johnson is saying we have to be more prudent.
So how does that fit in with giving billions away to his mate
Let's be honest here,a gmnt who voted against free school meals and gave nurses a 1% pay rise ,is not gonna give this whopping less than half a percent to the poor and needy in this country.
Who is this mate you have said?
Please post the evidence that this mate was just given billions?
Go and read up on the ppe scandal
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So you don't actually have any evidence then. |
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https://www.scottishlegal.com/article/high-court-orders-uk-government-to-pay-good-law-project-s-costs-in-contract-case
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/15/firm-with-ties-to-matt-hancock-given-vip-treatment-emails-suggest
https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n1072 |
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"https://www.scottishlegal.com/article/high-court-orders-uk-government-to-pay-good-law-project-s-costs-in-contract-case
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/15/firm-with-ties-to-matt-hancock-given-vip-treatment-emails-suggest
https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n1072"
So none of those articles state the PM just gave billions to his mate.
Still waiting for the actual evidence from you? |
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"https://www.scottishlegal.com/article/high-court-orders-uk-government-to-pay-good-law-project-s-costs-in-contract-case
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/15/firm-with-ties-to-matt-hancock-given-vip-treatment-emails-suggest
https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n1072
So none of those articles state the PM just gave billions to his mate.
Still waiting for the actual evidence from you?"
They are all examples of corruption
Let me guess what the latest explanation is...
Boris Johnson had nothing to do with these contracts been given out perhaps? |
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"https://www.scottishlegal.com/article/high-court-orders-uk-government-to-pay-good-law-project-s-costs-in-contract-case
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/15/firm-with-ties-to-matt-hancock-given-vip-treatment-emails-suggest
https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n1072
So none of those articles state the PM just gave billions to his mate.
Still waiting for the actual evidence from you?
They are all examples of corruption
Let me guess what the latest explanation is...
Boris Johnson had nothing to do with these contracts been given out perhaps?"
You posted
"Johnson is saying we have to be more prudent.
So how does that fit in with giving billions away to his mate"
I've asked for actually evidence that he has given billions to his mate.
You have failed to post anything to prove this actually happened?
More made up rubbish from you Lionel.
However if you can actually post some evidence for a change? |
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"https://www.scottishlegal.com/article/high-court-orders-uk-government-to-pay-good-law-project-s-costs-in-contract-case
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/15/firm-with-ties-to-matt-hancock-given-vip-treatment-emails-suggest
https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n1072
So none of those articles state the PM just gave billions to his mate.
Still waiting for the actual evidence from you?
They are all examples of corruption
Let me guess what the latest explanation is...
Boris Johnson had nothing to do with these contracts been given out perhaps?
You posted
"Johnson is saying we have to be more prudent.
So how does that fit in with giving billions away to his mate"
I've asked for actually evidence that he has given billions to his mate.
You have failed to post anything to prove this actually happened?
More made up rubbish from you Lionel.
However if you can actually post some evidence for a change?"
He is the pm
The gmnt have been found guilty of specifically giving contracts to people with links to the gmnt.
Shall I draw you a picture?
Would that make it easier for you?
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"https://www.scottishlegal.com/article/high-court-orders-uk-government-to-pay-good-law-project-s-costs-in-contract-case
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/15/firm-with-ties-to-matt-hancock-given-vip-treatment-emails-suggest
https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n1072
So none of those articles state the PM just gave billions to his mate.
Still waiting for the actual evidence from you?
They are all examples of corruption
Let me guess what the latest explanation is...
Boris Johnson had nothing to do with these contracts been given out perhaps?
You posted
"Johnson is saying we have to be more prudent.
So how does that fit in with giving billions away to his mate"
I've asked for actually evidence that he has given billions to his mate.
You have failed to post anything to prove this actually happened?
More made up rubbish from you Lionel.
However if you can actually post some evidence for a change?
He is the pm
The gmnt have been found guilty of specifically giving contracts to people with links to the gmnt.
Shall I draw you a picture?
Would that make it easier for you?
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Actually yes you can.
Please post the evidence or article that says the PM gave billions to his mate.
IF it actually happened and it has been proved a simple Google search will bring it up.
Try
Boris just gives billions to his mate.
Or
Johnson just gives billions to his mate.
Or
PM just gives billions to his mate.
Once you find the evidence please post it.
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"https://www.scottishlegal.com/article/high-court-orders-uk-government-to-pay-good-law-project-s-costs-in-contract-case
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/15/firm-with-ties-to-matt-hancock-given-vip-treatment-emails-suggest
https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n1072
So none of those articles state the PM just gave billions to his mate.
Still waiting for the actual evidence from you?
They are all examples of corruption
Let me guess what the latest explanation is...
Boris Johnson had nothing to do with these contracts been given out perhaps?
You posted
"Johnson is saying we have to be more prudent.
So how does that fit in with giving billions away to his mate"
I've asked for actually evidence that he has given billions to his mate.
You have failed to post anything to prove this actually happened?
More made up rubbish from you Lionel.
However if you can actually post some evidence for a change?
He is the pm
The gmnt have been found guilty of specifically giving contracts to people with links to the gmnt.
Shall I draw you a picture?
Would that make it easier for you?
Actually yes you can.
Please post the evidence or article that says the PM gave billions to his mate.
IF it actually happened and it has been proved a simple Google search will bring it up.
Try
Boris just gives billions to his mate.
Or
Johnson just gives billions to his mate.
Or
PM just gives billions to his mate.
Once you find the evidence please post it.
# fingers tapping "
Just to clarify.. the gknt are embroiled in a ppe scandal..according to you the head of the gmnt has absolutely nothing to do with it?
Have I got that right? |
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"https://www.scottishlegal.com/article/high-court-orders-uk-government-to-pay-good-law-project-s-costs-in-contract-case
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/15/firm-with-ties-to-matt-hancock-given-vip-treatment-emails-suggest
https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n1072
So none of those articles state the PM just gave billions to his mate.
Still waiting for the actual evidence from you?
They are all examples of corruption
Let me guess what the latest explanation is...
Boris Johnson had nothing to do with these contracts been given out perhaps?
You posted
"Johnson is saying we have to be more prudent.
So how does that fit in with giving billions away to his mate"
I've asked for actually evidence that he has given billions to his mate.
You have failed to post anything to prove this actually happened?
More made up rubbish from you Lionel.
However if you can actually post some evidence for a change?
He is the pm
The gmnt have been found guilty of specifically giving contracts to people with links to the gmnt.
Shall I draw you a picture?
Would that make it easier for you?
Actually yes you can.
Please post the evidence or article that says the PM gave billions to his mate.
IF it actually happened and it has been proved a simple Google search will bring it up.
Try
Boris just gives billions to his mate.
Or
Johnson just gives billions to his mate.
Or
PM just gives billions to his mate.
Once you find the evidence please post it.
# fingers tapping
Just to clarify.. the gknt are embroiled in a ppe scandal..according to you the head of the gmnt has absolutely nothing to do with it?
Have I got that right?"
According to you the PM just gave billions to his mate.
I have only asked for the evidence from you to show this?
By the lack of you posting the evidence I can only assume you don't actually have any to say the PM just gave billions to his mate.
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"The last post in the original thread mentioned deflection whilst also managing to shoehorn the totally irrelevant matter of what France contributes.
Most of the people who think it's the right thing to do consistently mention that the money be spent on 'our '
own needy'
Once again, unsurprisingly ,the detail of who exactly this is,is thin on the ground
So its ok to mention countries that contribute more than 0.5% but not ones that contribute the same or less?
unbelievable."
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"The last post in the original thread mentioned deflection whilst also managing to shoehorn the totally irrelevant matter of what France contributes.
Most of the people who think it's the right thing to do consistently mention that the money be spent on 'our '
own needy'
Once again, unsurprisingly ,the detail of who exactly this is,is thin on the ground
So its ok to mention countries that contribute more than 0.5% but not ones that contribute the same or less?
unbelievable.
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I'm gonna wheel out my psychic powers again. I don't need to bother reading anything that was written above.
Here is what I see in the swirling mists of my crystal ball...
Sombody will have said or implied you can't trust those terribly dodgy foreigners. So we shouldn't give em our money.
Somebody will also have said we should spend the money on good old honest British people who need it.
There will also have been deperate deflection from the fact the Tories have totally failed to help British hungry kids in need (until they were forced to by a footballer.) And it will have been ignored that the Tories have reigned over a vast rise in food banks and homlessness. (Yet more proof they don't spend money on Brits in need.)
The Tories chucking a shitload of money at mates will have been mentioned. And somebody will have tried to deflect from that or quibble about the amount.
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"I'm gonna wheel out my psychic powers again. I don't need to bother reading anything that was written above.
Here is what I see in the swirling mists of my crystal ball...
Somebody will have said or implied you can't trust those terribly dodgy foreigners. So we shouldn't give them our money.
Somebody will also have said we should spend the money on good old honest British people who need it.
There will also have been deperate deflection from the fact the Tories have totally failed to help British hungry kids in need (until they were forced to by a footballer.) And it will have been ignored that the Tories have reigned over a vast rise in food banks and homelessness. (Yet more proof they don't spend money on Brits in need.)
The Tories chucking a shitload of money at mates will have been mentioned. And somebody will have tried to deflect from that or quibble about the amount.
How were my psychic powers this time?"
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By *00STERMan
over a year ago
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In the end of the day the needy will not see any more because of this but that is not the point. To break it down as a personal finance analogy, I’ve got personally outgoings already, car payments, subscriptions, card payments. If I have got personal money issues, say my boiler blew and put me in to my overdraft I’m going to make sure I can cover all my standard payments and reduce my overdraft before I think about giving any money to comic relief. And if I have to downgrade my nextflix account to non 4K to make sure I have the money for essential things then that’s the sacrifice I make. I’m not redirecting that saving to something extra, I’m using it to cover those home expenses I already have. |
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"I'm gonna wheel out my psychic powers again. I don't need to bother reading anything that was written above.
Here is what I see in the swirling mists of my crystal ball...
Sombody will have said or implied you can't trust those terribly dodgy foreigners. So we shouldn't give em our money.
Somebody will also have said we should spend the money on good old honest British people who need it.
There will also have been deperate deflection from the fact the Tories have totally failed to help British hungry kids in need (until they were forced to by a footballer.) And it will have been ignored that the Tories have reigned over a vast rise in food banks and homlessness. (Yet more proof they don't spend money on Brits in need.)
The Tories chucking a shitload of money at mates will have been mentioned. And somebody will have tried to deflect from that or quibble about the amount.
How were my psychic powers this time?"
Pretty much spot on.
France has been brought up but obviously this is in no way a deflection technique.
The gmnt who refused to sanction free school meals are going to spend all their money they are saving on the poor and the desperate.
Obviously no one knows who this actually is.or when this will happen.
All the foreign money would have gone to foreign warlords despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary and boris johnson has absolutely nothing to do with the recent ppe scandal which the courts found the gmnt had given contracts to people with links to the gmnt.
Just another day in Tory la la land. |
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"In the end of the day the needy will not see any more because of this but that is not the point. To break it down as a personal finance analogy, I’ve got personally outgoings already, car payments, subscriptions, card payments. If I have got personal money issues, say my boiler blew and put me in to my overdraft I’m going to make sure I can cover all my standard payments and reduce my overdraft before I think about giving any money to comic relief. And if I have to downgrade my nextflix account to non 4K to make sure I have the money for essential things then that’s the sacrifice I make. I’m not redirecting that saving to something extra, I’m using it to cover those home expenses I already have."
That anaololgy doesn't work in the slightest. |
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over a year ago
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That anaololgy doesn't work in the slightest."
Let me boil it down to something a little more simple for you then, you make sure you can pay your mortgage before you help you neighbour pay for theirs. |
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That anaololgy doesn't work in the slightest.
Let me boil it down to something a little more simple for you then, you make sure you can pay your mortgage before you help you neighbour pay for theirs."
Nope sorry still doesnt work.
Its about as flawed as people who compared austerity with a household budget. |
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By *00STERMan
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"I dont say so..its a fact.
1 slight difference.. when you have a mortage,are you responsible for the health of millions of people?"
You are responsible for the the welfare and health of your household kits the economy of scale. |
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"I dont say so..its a fact.
1 slight difference.. when you have a mortage,are you responsible for the health of millions of people?
You are responsible for the the welfare and health of your household kits the economy of scale."
You are responsible for your own kids.
Not everyone in the country. |
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By *00STERMan
over a year ago
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Yea that is how scale works, when you scale down to household finances you also scale down to those in the household. So you are responsible for your houses health, welfare and outgoings before you look to your neighbours well-being. So in this case the country is scaled down to a household and the needy country is scaled down to a neighbours house. The principles remain the same just the numbers are smaller. |
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"Yea that is how scale works, when you scale down to household finances you also scale down to those in the household. So you are responsible for your houses health, welfare and outgoings before you look to your neighbours well-being. So in this case the country is scaled down to a household and the needy country is scaled down to a neighbours house. The principles remain the same just the numbers are smaller. "
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"Yea that is how scale works, when you scale down to household finances you also scale down to those in the household. So you are responsible for your houses health, welfare and outgoings before you look to your neighbours well-being. So in this case the country is scaled down to a household and the needy country is scaled down to a neighbours house. The principles remain the same just the numbers are smaller. "
You are not responsible for your neighbour's welfare at all
When you have a mortage you dont do complicated trade deals with your neighbours |
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"Yea that is how scale works, when you scale down to household finances you also scale down to those in the household. So you are responsible for your houses health, welfare and outgoings before you look to your neighbours well-being. So in this case the country is scaled down to a household and the needy country is scaled down to a neighbours house. The principles remain the same just the numbers are smaller.
You're wasting your time "
Oh I know but It’s fun making him look silly |
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"Yea that is how scale works, when you scale down to household finances you also scale down to those in the household. So you are responsible for your houses health, welfare and outgoings before you look to your neighbours well-being. So in this case the country is scaled down to a household and the needy country is scaled down to a neighbours house. The principles remain the same just the numbers are smaller.
You are not responsible for your neighbour's welfare at all
When you have a mortage you dont do complicated trade deals with your neighbours"
Correct and that’s how scale works. |
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"Yea that is how scale works, when you scale down to household finances you also scale down to those in the household. So you are responsible for your houses health, welfare and outgoings before you look to your neighbours well-being. So in this case the country is scaled down to a household and the needy country is scaled down to a neighbours house. The principles remain the same just the numbers are smaller.
You are not responsible for your neighbour's welfare at all
When you have a mortage you dont do complicated trade deals with your neighbours
Correct and that’s how scale works. "
Sp we have established they are completely different
We got there in the end
Well done
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"Yea that is how scale works, when you scale down to household finances you also scale down to those in the household. So you are responsible for your houses health, welfare and outgoings before you look to your neighbours well-being. So in this case the country is scaled down to a household and the needy country is scaled down to a neighbours house. The principles remain the same just the numbers are smaller.
You are not responsible for your neighbour's welfare at all
When you have a mortage you dont do complicated trade deals with your neighbours
Correct and that’s how scale works.
Sp we have established they are completely different
We got there in the end
Well done
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Ah you were doing so well nearly understanding scale and then you blew it … never mind it’ll come. |
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Interesting read this morning :
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/07/15/britains-ticking-debt-bomb-now-governments-greatest-threat/
…. and as noted by Nelson, “ a one-point rise in rates (which would still be very low by historical standards) would now increase UK debt repayments by £21bn. That’s real money (twice the aid budget) that would have to be found via austerity - and a huge threat to government.” |
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Margaret thatcher used to say running the country was exactly like running a household but obviously Lionel has loads more experience lol i dont know if he has handbag? But Maggie used to say money goes in no then it comes out.... it is that simple really. |
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
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"I'm gonna wheel out my psychic powers again. I don't need to bother reading anything that was written above.
Here is what I see in the swirling mists of my crystal ball...
Sombody will have said or implied you can't trust those terribly dodgy foreigners. So we shouldn't give em our money.
Somebody will also have said we should spend the money on good old honest British people who need it.
There will also have been deperate deflection from the fact the Tories have totally failed to help British hungry kids in need (until they were forced to by a footballer.) And it will have been ignored that the Tories have reigned over a vast rise in food banks and homlessness. (Yet more proof they don't spend money on Brits in need.)
The Tories chucking a shitload of money at mates will have been mentioned. And somebody will have tried to deflect from that or quibble about the amount.
How were my psychic powers this time?"
Missed a couple of things like the mention of foreign aid given by France is complained about but to mention the aid given by Denmark, Luxemburg, Norway and Sweden is perfectly ok. Also the mention on pensions a thread about foreign aid is perfectly ok. Only the mention that other countries will still be giving less in aid than the UK after the cut is bad |
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"I'm gonna wheel out my psychic powers again. I don't need to bother reading anything that was written above.
Here is what I see in the swirling mists of my crystal ball...
Sombody will have said or implied you can't trust those terribly dodgy foreigners. So we shouldn't give em our money.
Somebody will also have said we should spend the money on good old honest British people who need it.
There will also have been deperate deflection from the fact the Tories have totally failed to help British hungry kids in need (until they were forced to by a footballer.) And it will have been ignored that the Tories have reigned over a vast rise in food banks and homlessness. (Yet more proof they don't spend money on Brits in need.)
The Tories chucking a shitload of money at mates will have been mentioned. And somebody will have tried to deflect from that or quibble about the amount.
How were my psychic powers this time?
Missed a couple of things like the mention of foreign aid given by France is complained about but to mention the aid given by Denmark, Luxemburg, Norway and Sweden is perfectly ok. Also the mention on pensions a thread about foreign aid is perfectly ok. Only the mention that other countries will still be giving less in aid than the UK after the cut is bad"
What relevance is what other countires give? |
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"I dont say so..its a fact.
1 slight difference.. when you have a mortage,are you responsible for the health of millions of people?"
it’s a fact Lionel you’ve been asked to prove your fact about Boris giving billions to his mate and you swerved it time and time again bud lol |
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"I dont say so..its a fact.
1 slight difference.. when you have a mortage,are you responsible for the health of millions of people?it’s a fact Lionel you’ve been asked to prove your fact about Boris giving billions to his mate and you swerved it time and time again bud lol"
No I've explained several times.
Unsurprisingly you have not been able to understand. |
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"I dont say so..its a fact.
1 slight difference.. when you have a mortage,are you responsible for the health of millions of people?it’s a fact Lionel you’ve been asked to prove your fact about Boris giving billions to his mate and you swerved it time and time again bud lol"
Btw I'm sure the Tories will thank you for their support
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"I dont say so..its a fact.
1 slight difference.. when you have a mortage,are you responsible for the health of millions of people?
You are responsible for the the welfare and health of your household kits the economy of scale.
You are responsible for your own kids.
Not everyone in the country."
not everyone in this country but everyone in the world is that what you mean Lionel not our own just everyone elses lol class |
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"I dont say so..its a fact.
1 slight difference.. when you have a mortage,are you responsible for the health of millions of people?
You are responsible for the the welfare and health of your household kits the economy of scale.
You are responsible for your own kids.
Not everyone in the country. not everyone in this country but everyone in the world is that what you mean Lionel not our own just everyone elses lol class "
How are we responsible for everyone on the planet? |
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"I dont say so..its a fact.
1 slight difference.. when you have a mortage,are you responsible for the health of millions of people?it’s a fact Lionel you’ve been asked to prove your fact about Boris giving billions to his mate and you swerved it time and time again bud lol
Btw I'm sure the Tories will thank you for their support
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aw ya have to do better than that Jeremy sorry I ment Lionel to wind me up lol |
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"I dont say so..its a fact.
1 slight difference.. when you have a mortage,are you responsible for the health of millions of people?
You are responsible for the the welfare and health of your household kits the economy of scale.
You are responsible for your own kids.
Not everyone in the country. not everyone in this country but everyone in the world is that what you mean Lionel not our own just everyone elses lol class
How are we responsible for everyone on the planet?"
well that’s what you want isn’t it spend more on foreign aid how many billions would you be happy with 100 billion ? |
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"I dont say so..its a fact.
1 slight difference.. when you have a mortage,are you responsible for the health of millions of people?
You are responsible for the the welfare and health of your household kits the economy of scale.
You are responsible for your own kids.
Not everyone in the country. not everyone in this country but everyone in the world is that what you mean Lionel not our own just everyone elses lol class
How are we responsible for everyone on the planet?well that’s what you want isn’t it spend more on foreign aid how many billions would you be happy with 100 billion ?"
I answered your question on how much we spent yesterday.
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"I dont say so..its a fact.
1 slight difference.. when you have a mortage,are you responsible for the health of millions of people?
You are responsible for the the welfare and health of your household kits the economy of scale.
You are responsible for your own kids.
Not everyone in the country. not everyone in this country but everyone in the world is that what you mean Lionel not our own just everyone elses lol class
How are we responsible for everyone on the planet?well that’s what you want isn’t it spend more on foreign aid how many billions would you be happy with 100 billion ?
I answered your question on how much we spent yesterday.
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that would be great but I never asked that ya must have me mixed up with someone mate I asked how much would ppl who where against the cuts like to spend I said if we stopped hs2 there 100 billion or more if we got rid of monarchy and that daft bout must be another 100 billion would that be enough ? |
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"I dont say so..its a fact.
1 slight difference.. when you have a mortage,are you responsible for the health of millions of people?
You are responsible for the the welfare and health of your household kits the economy of scale.
You are responsible for your own kids.
Not everyone in the country. not everyone in this country but everyone in the world is that what you mean Lionel not our own just everyone elses lol class
How are we responsible for everyone on the planet?well that’s what you want isn’t it spend more on foreign aid how many billions would you be happy with 100 billion ?
I answered your question on how much we spent yesterday.
that would be great but I never asked that ya must have me mixed up with someone mate I asked how much would ppl who where against the cuts like to spend I said if we stopped hs2 there 100 billion or more if we got rid of monarchy and that daft bout must be another 100 billion would that be enough ?"
That was just a noise. |
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
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"I'm gonna wheel out my psychic powers again. I don't need to bother reading anything that was written above.
Here is what I see in the swirling mists of my crystal ball...
Sombody will have said or implied you can't trust those terribly dodgy foreigners. So we shouldn't give em our money.
Somebody will also have said we should spend the money on good old honest British people who need it.
There will also have been deperate deflection from the fact the Tories have totally failed to help British hungry kids in need (until they were forced to by a footballer.) And it will have been ignored that the Tories have reigned over a vast rise in food banks and homlessness. (Yet more proof they don't spend money on Brits in need.)
The Tories chucking a shitload of money at mates will have been mentioned. And somebody will have tried to deflect from that or quibble about the amount.
How were my psychic powers this time?
Missed a couple of things like the mention of foreign aid given by France is complained about but to mention the aid given by Denmark, Luxemburg, Norway and Sweden is perfectly ok. Also the mention on pensions a thread about foreign aid is perfectly ok. Only the mention that other countries will still be giving less in aid than the UK after the cut is bad
What relevance is what other countires give?"
As you will see from the posts it was not me that first brought it up what others give. It was another poster only quoting those that give more. For balance I quoted those that give less. So for the relevance question ask the poster that originally posted about places like Denmark, oh and pensions |
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"I dont say so..its a fact.
1 slight difference.. when you have a mortage,are you responsible for the health of millions of people?
You are responsible for the the welfare and health of your household kits the economy of scale.
You are responsible for your own kids.
Not everyone in the country. not everyone in this country but everyone in the world is that what you mean Lionel not our own just everyone elses lol class
How are we responsible for everyone on the planet?well that’s what you want isn’t it spend more on foreign aid how many billions would you be happy with 100 billion ?
I answered your question on how much we spent yesterday.
that would be great but I never asked that ya must have me mixed up with someone mate I asked how much would ppl who where against the cuts like to spend I said if we stopped hs2 there 100 billion or more if we got rid of monarchy and that daft bout must be another 100 billion would that be enough ?
That was just a noise. "
in other words you bottled answering nowt nee there then I’d ask again but you have form for this Lionel |
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1 slight difference.. when you have a mortage,are you responsible for the health of millions of people?
You are responsible for the the welfare and health of your household kits the economy of scale.
You are responsible for your own kids.
Not everyone in the country. not everyone in this country but everyone in the world is that what you mean Lionel not our own just everyone elses lol class
How are we responsible for everyone on the planet?well that’s what you want isn’t it spend more on foreign aid how many billions would you be happy with 100 billion ?
I answered your question on how much we spent yesterday.
that would be great but I never asked that ya must have me mixed up with someone mate I asked how much would ppl who where against the cuts like to spend I said if we stopped hs2 there 100 billion or more if we got rid of monarchy and that daft bout must be another 100 billion would that be enough ?
That was just a noise. in other words you bottled answering nowt nee there then I’d ask again but you have form for this Lionel "
I've literally no idea what you were asking
Something about the monarchy? |
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1 slight difference.. when you have a mortage,are you responsible for the health of millions of people?
You are responsible for the the welfare and health of your household kits the economy of scale.
You are responsible for your own kids.
Not everyone in the country. not everyone in this country but everyone in the world is that what you mean Lionel not our own just everyone elses lol class
How are we responsible for everyone on the planet?well that’s what you want isn’t it spend more on foreign aid how many billions would you be happy with 100 billion ?
I answered your question on how much we spent yesterday.
that would be great but I never asked that ya must have me mixed up with someone mate I asked how much would ppl who where against the cuts like to spend I said if we stopped hs2 there 100 billion or more if we got rid of monarchy and that daft bout must be another 100 billion would that be enough ?
That was just a noise. in other words you bottled answering nowt nee there then I’d ask again but you have form for this Lionel
I've literally no idea what you were asking
Something about the monarchy?"
Okies mate I hear ya sorry if you couldn’t understand I’m sure you never just done your normal swerve lol leave it now sick of asking ya |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
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"The last post in the original thread mentioned deflection whilst also managing to shoehorn the totally irrelevant matter of what France contributes.
Most of the people who think it's the right thing to do consistently mention that the money be spent on 'our '
own needy'
Once again, unsurprisingly ,the detail of who exactly this is,is thin on the ground
https://www.itv.com/news/2021-07-13/mps-to-vote-on-foreign-aid-cut-with-government-braced-for-tory-rebellion
He said the UK’s public finances are under a "greater strain than ever before in peacetime history" adding "every pound we spend on aid has to be borrowed and, in fact, represents not our money but money that we’re taking from future generations."
Tldr: The money is staying with whoever would've bought bonds for the UK to waste money on foreign aid
Right
So we are watching every penny.
That seems a reasonable policy
How much has been pissed away on track and trace and ppe contracts again btw?
Why do you keep moving the goal post? If you dropped a tenner should you burn another tenner because you've just lost a tenner?
My view on covid is that they should've left everything as it was and do the same as they did for ebola/swineflu.
I'm not moving the goal posts at all
Johnson is saying we have to be more prudent.
So how does that fit in with giving billions away to his mate
Let's be honest here,a gmnt who voted against free school meals and gave nurses a 1% pay rise ,is not gonna give this whopping less than half a percent to the poor and needy in this country.
You seem to think everyone who agrees with the foreign aid budget being cut is a conservative
If you're so adamant on giving money away to foreign nations I suggest you dip into your own pocket and start donating to make up the short fall. If you want to assume it's a 50/50 split agree to disagree then let's just say that's roughly 30 million people each way, so if you give £133 each you'll make up the shortfall "
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
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"I dont say so..its a fact.
1 slight difference.. when you have a mortage,are you responsible for the health of millions of people?
You are responsible for the the welfare and health of your household kits the economy of scale.
You are responsible for your own kids.
Not everyone in the country. not everyone in this country but everyone in the world is that what you mean Lionel not our own just everyone elses lol class
How are we responsible for everyone on the planet?well that’s what you want isn’t it spend more on foreign aid how many billions would you be happy with 100 billion ?
I answered your question on how much we spent yesterday.
that would be great but I never asked that ya must have me mixed up with someone mate I asked how much would ppl who where against the cuts like to spend I said if we stopped hs2 there 100 billion or more if we got rid of monarchy and that daft bout must be another 100 billion would that be enough ?"
Over £300Billion in tax avoidance per year will do nicely . We could almost pay off our debt in 6 years and no austerity at all. . Just think after that how much spare cash we would have . |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
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"Yea that is how scale works, when you scale down to household finances you also scale down to those in the household. So you are responsible for your houses health, welfare and outgoings before you look to your neighbours well-being. So in this case the country is scaled down to a household and the needy country is scaled down to a neighbours house. The principles remain the same just the numbers are smaller. "
So if your neighbours kids are starving to death you think not my problem as you get into you walk to the pub?? Interesting theory. |
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By *00STERMan
over a year ago
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"Yea that is how scale works, when you scale down to household finances you also scale down to those in the household. So you are responsible for your houses health, welfare and outgoings before you look to your neighbours well-being. So in this case the country is scaled down to a household and the needy country is scaled down to a neighbours house. The principles remain the same just the numbers are smaller.
So if your neighbours kids are starving to death you think not my problem as you get into you walk to the pub?? Interesting theory. "
If you have enough money left over to go to the pub then you can indeed help out, that’s pretty much the point I’m making. If you are having to use credit to go to the pub then you should not be helping the neighbour and you should not be going to the pub … that will just lead to more debt and being poorer as a result. |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
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"Yea that is how scale works, when you scale down to household finances you also scale down to those in the household. So you are responsible for your houses health, welfare and outgoings before you look to your neighbours well-being. So in this case the country is scaled down to a household and the needy country is scaled down to a neighbours house. The principles remain the same just the numbers are smaller.
So if your neighbours kids are starving to death you think not my problem as you get into you walk to the pub?? Interesting theory.
If you have enough money left over to go to the pub then you can indeed help out, that’s pretty much the point I’m making. If you are having to use credit to go to the pub then you should not be helping the neighbour and you should not be going to the pub … that will just lead to more debt and being poorer as a result."
The point is we have the money still as it’s a percentage based so the less we have the less we pay !
And why not make everyone pay fair tax so both the starving and the rest of us don’t have to pay anything more? |
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"Yea that is how scale works, when you scale down to household finances you also scale down to those in the household. So you are responsible for your houses health, welfare and outgoings before you look to your neighbours well-being. So in this case the country is scaled down to a household and the needy country is scaled down to a neighbours house. The principles remain the same just the numbers are smaller.
So if your neighbours kids are starving to death you think not my problem as you get into you walk to the pub?? Interesting theory.
If you have enough money left over to go to the pub then you can indeed help out, that’s pretty much the point I’m making. If you are having to use credit to go to the pub then you should not be helping the neighbour and you should not be going to the pub … that will just lead to more debt and being poorer as a result.
The point is we have the money still as it’s a percentage based so the less we have the less we pay !
And why not make everyone pay fair tax so both the starving and the rest of us don’t have to pay anything more? "
Tbf..helping out people less unfortunate that ourselves is one of the concepts I most associate with the likes of boris johnson,priti Patel, reece mogg etc
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By *00STERMan
over a year ago
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"Yea that is how scale works, when you scale down to household finances you also scale down to those in the household. So you are responsible for your houses health, welfare and outgoings before you look to your neighbours well-being. So in this case the country is scaled down to a household and the needy country is scaled down to a neighbours house. The principles remain the same just the numbers are smaller.
So if your neighbours kids are starving to death you think not my problem as you get into you walk to the pub?? Interesting theory.
If you have enough money left over to go to the pub then you can indeed help out, that’s pretty much the point I’m making. If you are having to use credit to go to the pub then you should not be helping the neighbour and you should not be going to the pub … that will just lead to more debt and being poorer as a result.
The point is we have the money still as it’s a percentage based so the less we have the less we pay !
And why not make everyone pay fair tax so both the starving and the rest of us don’t have to pay anything more? "
We have debts to clear first though we are still helping out just not as much, as it should be.
And I agree tax should be fairer and everyone should pay the same across the board, no more bands just a flat rate of 30%. |
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By *00STERMan
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"Someone on 15k a year should pay the same amount of tax as someone who earns that in a month.
Sounds fair."
Not the same amount in £ but the same percentage, the person earning more still pays more tax. What’s unfair about the two example paying the same percentage ? Surely a system which gives different percentages to two different people is an unfair system? |
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It is interesting how animated people get about not helping ‘foreign’ people, but they seem strangely quiet about tax avoidance, as others have said, fix the tax avoidance and we are in a much better place. |
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"It is interesting how animated people get about not helping ‘foreign’ people, but they seem strangely quiet about tax avoidance, as others have said, fix the tax avoidance and we are in a much better place. "
Its another standard blame the victim Tory trope.
Works every time..immigrants, scroungers,the eu..just whatever you do ,don't look at the real issue. |
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I remember cameron and the french president at the tome giving a speech in Libya after turning the country into a war zone, then giving the swarms of migrants speech when they were drowning in the med and now tbe channel |
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"I remember cameron and the french president at the tome giving a speech in Libya after turning the country into a war zone, then giving the swarms of migrants speech when they were drowning in the med and now tbe channel "
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33716501.amp
They have always been the party of empathy and humanity
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By *ebbie69Couple
over a year ago
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"Someone on 15k a year should pay the same amount of tax as someone who earns that in a month.
Sounds fair.
Not the same amount in £ but the same percentage, the person earning more still pays more tax. What’s unfair about the two example paying the same percentage ? Surely a system which gives different percentages to two different people is an unfair system? "
Your quite right that what you describe would see the person on 15k per month pay massively more than the person on 15k per year. Would the current tax free amount still be in place that currently means the person on 15k per year avoids paying tax on most of their earnings?
Either way it represents a big tax increase |
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"Someone on 15k a year should pay the same amount of tax as someone who earns that in a month.
Sounds fair.
Not the same amount in £ but the same percentage, the person earning more still pays more tax. What’s unfair about the two example paying the same percentage ? Surely a system which gives different percentages to two different people is an unfair system?
Your quite right that what you describe would see the person on 15k per month pay massively more than the person on 15k per year. Would the current tax free amount still be in place that currently means the person on 15k per year avoids paying tax on most of their earnings?
Either way it represents a big tax increase"
I’m not against the principle of a common rate. However, if it were set at 30% then I would pay less tax which doesn’t feel right.
As we move more and more into a digital economy, it becomes less necessary to have wide tax bands, it is now feasible to use incremental tax rates going from 10-50% in 1% jumps. It is about time that people with the funds contributed more to benefit society. It should not be about I deserve it more, it should be about how can I build a better society.
Clearly with the current charlatans in power nobody wants to givevthem any money as it ends up in the pockets of their mates…
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By *ebbie69Couple
over a year ago
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"Someone on 15k a year should pay the same amount of tax as someone who earns that in a month.
Sounds fair.
Not the same amount in £ but the same percentage, the person earning more still pays more tax. What’s unfair about the two example paying the same percentage ? Surely a system which gives different percentages to two different people is an unfair system?
Your quite right that what you describe would see the person on 15k per month pay massively more than the person on 15k per year. Would the current tax free amount still be in place that currently means the person on 15k per year avoids paying tax on most of their earnings?
Either way it represents a big tax increase
I’m not against the principle of a common rate. However, if it were set at 30% then I would pay less tax which doesn’t feel right.
As we move more and more into a digital economy, it becomes less necessary to have wide tax bands, it is now feasible to use incremental tax rates going from 10-50% in 1% jumps. It is about time that people with the funds contributed more to benefit society. It should not be about I deserve it more, it should be about how can I build a better society.
Clearly with the current charlatans in power nobody wants to givevthem any money as it ends up in the pockets of their mates…
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1% jumps wow that would indeed be a lot of bands. I'm assuming the 30% quoted would be on all earnings so no tax free threshold. I think on the examples given the lower paid example would pay over 2k in tax while the higher paid would pay over 50k tax. My problem would be it does not seem fair on the lower paid example as it represents a large increase in tax ( again assuming no tax threshold). I don't mind the current system but as others say the problem is on those that can avoid it. Unless that is fixed then the rates and bands are irrelevant as they will continue to avoid it |
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"I dont say so..its a fact.
1 slight difference.. when you have a mortage,are you responsible for the health of millions of people?
You are responsible for the the welfare and health of your household kits the economy of scale.
You are responsible for your own kids.
Not everyone in the country. not everyone in this country but everyone in the world is that what you mean Lionel not our own just everyone elses lol class
How are we responsible for everyone on the planet?well that’s what you want isn’t it spend more on foreign aid how many billions would you be happy with 100 billion ?
I answered your question on how much we spent yesterday.
that would be great but I never asked that ya must have me mixed up with someone mate I asked how much would ppl who where against the cuts like to spend I said if we stopped hs2 there 100 billion or more if we got rid of monarchy and that daft bout must be another 100 billion would that be enough ?
Over £300Billion in tax avoidance per year will do nicely . We could almost pay off our debt in 6 years and no austerity at all. . Just think after that how much spare cash we would have . "
no why pay our debt of why not give it away on over seas aid no amount of money is to much on here for some lol |
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"I dont say so..its a fact.
1 slight difference.. when you have a mortage,are you responsible for the health of millions of people?
You are responsible for the the welfare and health of your household kits the economy of scale.
You are responsible for your own kids.
Not everyone in the country. not everyone in this country but everyone in the world is that what you mean Lionel not our own just everyone elses lol class
How are we responsible for everyone on the planet?well that’s what you want isn’t it spend more on foreign aid how many billions would you be happy with 100 billion ?
I answered your question on how much we spent yesterday.
that would be great but I never asked that ya must have me mixed up with someone mate I asked how much would ppl who where against the cuts like to spend I said if we stopped hs2 there 100 billion or more if we got rid of monarchy and that daft bout must be another 100 billion would that be enough ?
Over £300Billion in tax avoidance per year will do nicely . We could almost pay off our debt in 6 years and no austerity at all. . Just think after that how much spare cash we would have . no why pay our debt of why not give it away on over seas aid no amount of money is to much on here for some lol"
Why not give more to the NHS, Social Care, Local Councils - because they are Tories & helping anyone other than their mates doesn’t count! Fixthe tax avoidance and put a Government with a social coscience in power - I wish… |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
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"Someone on 15k a year should pay the same amount of tax as someone who earns that in a month.
Sounds fair.
Not the same amount in £ but the same percentage, the person earning more still pays more tax. What’s unfair about the two example paying the same percentage ? Surely a system which gives different percentages to two different people is an unfair system?
Your quite right that what you describe would see the person on 15k per month pay massively more than the person on 15k per year. Would the current tax free amount still be in place that currently means the person on 15k per year avoids paying tax on most of their earnings?
Either way it represents a big tax increase"
The guy on £15k a month gets the same tax free amount to start with and after that it’s the same for everyone. So we all pay the same percentage wise. I don’t care if the guy earning £100k a week pays the same top rate of 45% as the guy earning £160k a year. The richer guy still keeps a higher number so isn’t penalised he just pays his fair and equal percentage share.
Slightly off topic but if you now get caught speeding they can take 75% of your weekly income off you.
So if you earn £400 they take £300 leaving you with 25% of your money.
The fine has a cap of £2.5k so if you earn £5k £10k or £20k a week the most you lose is 50% ; 25% and 12.5% So the richer you are the less it hurts as a percentage. Is that fair? Again the rich get a better benefit than the poorer. |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
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"I dont say so..its a fact.
1 slight difference.. when you have a mortage,are you responsible for the health of millions of people?
You are responsible for the the welfare and health of your household kits the economy of scale.
You are responsible for your own kids.
Not everyone in the country. not everyone in this country but everyone in the world is that what you mean Lionel not our own just everyone elses lol class
How are we responsible for everyone on the planet?well that’s what you want isn’t it spend more on foreign aid how many billions would you be happy with 100 billion ?
I answered your question on how much we spent yesterday.
that would be great but I never asked that ya must have me mixed up with someone mate I asked how much would ppl who where against the cuts like to spend I said if we stopped hs2 there 100 billion or more if we got rid of monarchy and that daft bout must be another 100 billion would that be enough ?
Over £300Billion in tax avoidance per year will do nicely . We could almost pay off our debt in 6 years and no austerity at all. . Just think after that how much spare cash we would have . no why pay our debt of why not give it away on over seas aid no amount of money is to much on here for some lol"
It’s the unfairness not the amount foxy.
Lord bam Ford whisks his money away virtually tax fee ( hundreds of millions) and when it comes to paying off our debts it won’t be him coughing it will be you. Tell me you think that’s ok for him to keep his money without paying fair tax while you have no choice but to cough. |
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"I dont say so..its a fact.
1 slight difference.. when you have a mortage,are you responsible for the health of millions of people?
You are responsible for the the welfare and health of your household kits the economy of scale.
You are responsible for your own kids.
Not everyone in the country. not everyone in this country but everyone in the world is that what you mean Lionel not our own just everyone elses lol class
How are we responsible for everyone on the planet?well that’s what you want isn’t it spend more on foreign aid how many billions would you be happy with 100 billion ?
I answered your question on how much we spent yesterday.
that would be great but I never asked that ya must have me mixed up with someone mate I asked how much would ppl who where against the cuts like to spend I said if we stopped hs2 there 100 billion or more if we got rid of monarchy and that daft bout must be another 100 billion would that be enough ?
Over £300Billion in tax avoidance per year will do nicely . We could almost pay off our debt in 6 years and no austerity at all. . Just think after that how much spare cash we would have . no why pay our debt of why not give it away on over seas aid no amount of money is to much on here for some lol
It’s the unfairness not the amount foxy.
Lord bam Ford whisks his money away virtually tax fee ( hundreds of millions) and when it comes to paying off our debts it won’t be him coughing it will be you. Tell me you think that’s ok for him to keep his money without paying fair tax while you have no choice but to cough. "
There is an attitude on here that everyone would do it,if you could.
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"Someone on 15k a year should pay the same amount of tax as someone who earns that in a month.
Sounds fair.
Not the same amount in £ but the same percentage, the person earning more still pays more tax. What’s unfair about the two example paying the same percentage ? Surely a system which gives different percentages to two different people is an unfair system?
Your quite right that what you describe would see the person on 15k per month pay massively more than the person on 15k per year. Would the current tax free amount still be in place that currently means the person on 15k per year avoids paying tax on most of their earnings?
Either way it represents a big tax increase
I’m not against the principle of a common rate. However, if it were set at 30% then I would pay less tax which doesn’t feel right.
As we move more and more into a digital economy, it becomes less necessary to have wide tax bands, it is now feasible to use incremental tax rates going from 10-50% in 1% jumps. It is about time that people with the funds contributed more to benefit society. It should not be about I deserve it more, it should be about how can I build a better society.
Clearly with the current charlatans in power nobody wants to givevthem any money as it ends up in the pockets of their mates…
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Your comment it doesn’t seem fair is a good thing. But if say we had an allowance for all up to a living wage whatever that is then absolutely everyone paid your 30% it would probably be enough as the £300billion a year currently slushed through the U.K. would be to some extent in the hands of the treasury.
The main driver of Brexit was to avoid the planned tax reforms of the EU. Notice financial institutions are exempt from the G7 agreement due to lobbying by Rishi. Now let me think what sort of organisation handles billions in tax avoidance through London ????
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"I dont say so..its a fact.
1 slight difference.. when you have a mortage,are you responsible for the health of millions of people?
You are responsible for the the welfare and health of your household kits the economy of scale.
You are responsible for your own kids.
Not everyone in the country. not everyone in this country but everyone in the world is that what you mean Lionel not our own just everyone elses lol class
How are we responsible for everyone on the planet?well that’s what you want isn’t it spend more on foreign aid how many billions would you be happy with 100 billion ?
I answered your question on how much we spent yesterday.
that would be great but I never asked that ya must have me mixed up with someone mate I asked how much would ppl who where against the cuts like to spend I said if we stopped hs2 there 100 billion or more if we got rid of monarchy and that daft bout must be another 100 billion would that be enough ?
Over £300Billion in tax avoidance per year will do nicely . We could almost pay off our debt in 6 years and no austerity at all. . Just think after that how much spare cash we would have . no why pay our debt of why not give it away on over seas aid no amount of money is to much on here for some lol
It’s the unfairness not the amount foxy.
Lord bam Ford whisks his money away virtually tax fee ( hundreds of millions) and when it comes to paying off our debts it won’t be him coughing it will be you. Tell me you think that’s ok for him to keep his money without paying fair tax while you have no choice but to cough. "
mate I agree with all your posts about tax and the rich I hate the unfairness of it all like you I can’t stand the unfairness of a monarchy aswell and the none Dom’s is biggest joke ever but I don’t get how people are against the drop in aid when we are in middle of worlds worst pandemic in decades and decades mate we have kids who need Marcus rashford fighting there corner people useing food banks and poor twats homeless I just think before people get a hard on about overs seas maybe just maybe it’s not unfair to try look after our own that’s just my opinion |
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By *ackal1Couple
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"I dont say so..its a fact.
1 slight difference.. when you have a mortage,are you responsible for the health of millions of people?
You are responsible for the the welfare and health of your household kits the economy of scale.
You are responsible for your own kids.
Not everyone in the country. not everyone in this country but everyone in the world is that what you mean Lionel not our own just everyone elses lol class
How are we responsible for everyone on the planet?well that’s what you want isn’t it spend more on foreign aid how many billions would you be happy with 100 billion ?
I answered your question on how much we spent yesterday.
that would be great but I never asked that ya must have me mixed up with someone mate I asked how much would ppl who where against the cuts like to spend I said if we stopped hs2 there 100 billion or more if we got rid of monarchy and that daft bout must be another 100 billion would that be enough ?
Over £300Billion in tax avoidance per year will do nicely . We could almost pay off our debt in 6 years and no austerity at all. . Just think after that how much spare cash we would have . no why pay our debt of why not give it away on over seas aid no amount of money is to much on here for some lol
It’s the unfairness not the amount foxy.
Lord bam Ford whisks his money away virtually tax fee ( hundreds of millions) and when it comes to paying off our debts it won’t be him coughing it will be you. Tell me you think that’s ok for him to keep his money without paying fair tax while you have no choice but to cough. mate I agree with all your posts about tax and the rich I hate the unfairness of it all like you I can’t stand the unfairness of a monarchy aswell and the none Dom’s is biggest joke ever but I don’t get how people are against the drop in aid when we are in middle of worlds worst pandemic in decades and decades mate we have kids who need Marcus rashford fighting there corner people useing food banks and poor twats homeless I just think before people get a hard on about overs seas maybe just maybe it’s not unfair to try look after our own that’s just my opinion "
I agree but the aid was already cut as it’s a percentage of our GDP which fell off a cliff and shows no signs of running away into sunny uplands any time soon!
The point is rather than cut from people who desperately need it . Make the greedy bastard tax avoiders pay their fair share then the money wouldn’t have to be cut at all and there would be a few hundred billion left over to clear the country’s debts.
The economy has grown hugely over the last 40 years but do you see that wealth anywhere near your average worker?
Look how many billionaires there are now in the U.K. . The money is not filtering down as it’s always claimed. It’s being kept by your rich elite leaders. Not just the rich politicians but the ones who put those greedy bastards in power year after year.
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1 slight difference.. when you have a mortage,are you responsible for the health of millions of people?
You are responsible for the the welfare and health of your household kits the economy of scale.
You are responsible for your own kids.
Not everyone in the country. not everyone in this country but everyone in the world is that what you mean Lionel not our own just everyone elses lol class
How are we responsible for everyone on the planet?well that’s what you want isn’t it spend more on foreign aid how many billions would you be happy with 100 billion ?
I answered your question on how much we spent yesterday.
that would be great but I never asked that ya must have me mixed up with someone mate I asked how much would ppl who where against the cuts like to spend I said if we stopped hs2 there 100 billion or more if we got rid of monarchy and that daft bout must be another 100 billion would that be enough ?
Over £300Billion in tax avoidance per year will do nicely . We could almost pay off our debt in 6 years and no austerity at all. . Just think after that how much spare cash we would have . no why pay our debt of why not give it away on over seas aid no amount of money is to much on here for some lol
It’s the unfairness not the amount foxy.
Lord bam Ford whisks his money away virtually tax fee ( hundreds of millions) and when it comes to paying off our debts it won’t be him coughing it will be you. Tell me you think that’s ok for him to keep his money without paying fair tax while you have no choice but to cough. mate I agree with all your posts about tax and the rich I hate the unfairness of it all like you I can’t stand the unfairness of a monarchy aswell and the none Dom’s is biggest joke ever but I don’t get how people are against the drop in aid when we are in middle of worlds worst pandemic in decades and decades mate we have kids who need Marcus rashford fighting there corner people useing food banks and poor twats homeless I just think before people get a hard on about overs seas maybe just maybe it’s not unfair to try look after our own that’s just my opinion
I agree but the aid was already cut as it’s a percentage of our GDP which fell off a cliff and shows no signs of running away into sunny uplands any time soon!
The point is rather than cut from people who desperately need it . Make the greedy bastard tax avoiders pay their fair share then the money wouldn’t have to be cut at all and there would be a few hundred billion left over to clear the country’s debts.
The economy has grown hugely over the last 40 years but do you see that wealth anywhere near your average worker?
Look how many billionaires there are now in the U.K. . The money is not filtering down as it’s always claimed. It’s being kept by your rich elite leaders. Not just the rich politicians but the ones who put those greedy bastards in power year after year.
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we all know that but the money we give goes no where it will never be enough to feed everyone it’s sad but it’s true and when you ask the people who cry the most about it how much should we give they disappear If the U.K. had no poor or need for food banks I’d say give a 100 billion a year but that still wouldn’t be enough |
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By *ebbie69Couple
over a year ago
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"Someone on 15k a year should pay the same amount of tax as someone who earns that in a month.
Sounds fair.
Not the same amount in £ but the same percentage, the person earning more still pays more tax. What’s unfair about the two example paying the same percentage ? Surely a system which gives different percentages to two different people is an unfair system?
Your quite right that what you describe would see the person on 15k per month pay massively more than the person on 15k per year. Would the current tax free amount still be in place that currently means the person on 15k per year avoids paying tax on most of their earnings?
Either way it represents a big tax increase
The guy on £15k a month gets the same tax free amount to start with and after that it’s the same for everyone. So we all pay the same percentage wise. I don’t care if the guy earning £100k a week pays the same top rate of 45% as the guy earning £160k a year. The richer guy still keeps a higher number so isn’t penalised he just pays his fair and equal percentage share.
Slightly off topic but if you now get caught speeding they can take 75% of your weekly income off you.
So if you earn £400 they take £300 leaving you with 25% of your money.
The fine has a cap of £2.5k so if you earn £5k £10k or £20k a week the most you lose is 50% ; 25% and 12.5% So the richer you are the less it hurts as a percentage. Is that fair? Again the rich get a better benefit than the poorer. "
Yes which is why I was asking if the tax free threshold would still be in place. Either way even with the threshold if the rate is 30% that's an increase for the lowest paid I think. Like you I agree the more you earn the more you pay but also the more you take home |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"Someone on 15k a year should pay the same amount of tax as someone who earns that in a month.
Sounds fair.
Not the same amount in £ but the same percentage, the person earning more still pays more tax. What’s unfair about the two example paying the same percentage ? Surely a system which gives different percentages to two different people is an unfair system?
Your quite right that what you describe would see the person on 15k per month pay massively more than the person on 15k per year. Would the current tax free amount still be in place that currently means the person on 15k per year avoids paying tax on most of their earnings?
Either way it represents a big tax increase
The guy on £15k a month gets the same tax free amount to start with and after that it’s the same for everyone. So we all pay the same percentage wise. I don’t care if the guy earning £100k a week pays the same top rate of 45% as the guy earning £160k a year. The richer guy still keeps a higher number so isn’t penalised he just pays his fair and equal percentage share.
Slightly off topic but if you now get caught speeding they can take 75% of your weekly income off you.
So if you earn £400 they take £300 leaving you with 25% of your money.
The fine has a cap of £2.5k so if you earn £5k £10k or £20k a week the most you lose is 50% ; 25% and 12.5% So the richer you are the less it hurts as a percentage. Is that fair? Again the rich get a better benefit than the poorer. "
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"In terms of 'looking after our own'how does that tally up with the explosion in food banks over the last 10 years exactly?"
because we arnt looking after our own Lionel but I’m some of the £14.6 billion over seas aid could help if it when to the right coase but that’s another thing with this government
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"In terms of 'looking after our own'how does that tally up with the explosion in food banks over the last 10 years exactly?because we arnt looking after our own Lionel but I’m some of the £14.6 billion over seas aid could help if it when to the right coase but that’s another thing with this government "
So the explosion on food banks is to do with foreign aid? |
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"In terms of 'looking after our own'how does that tally up with the explosion in food banks over the last 10 years exactly?because we arnt looking after our own Lionel but I’m some of the £14.6 billion over seas aid could help if it when to the right coase but that’s another thing with this government
So the explosion on food banks is to do with foreign aid?"
wtf can you read ?where have I said that I’m saying I’d like some of that money to get rid of them it’s 2021 and people use them to eat it’s a fucking disgrace mate pls don’t try putting words in my mouth just so you have something to disagree on ffs |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
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"Someone on 15k a year should pay the same amount of tax as someone who earns that in a month.
Sounds fair.
Not the same amount in £ but the same percentage, the person earning more still pays more tax. What’s unfair about the two example paying the same percentage ? Surely a system which gives different percentages to two different people is an unfair system?
Your quite right that what you describe would see the person on 15k per month pay massively more than the person on 15k per year. Would the current tax free amount still be in place that currently means the person on 15k per year avoids paying tax on most of their earnings?
Either way it represents a big tax increase
The guy on £15k a month gets the same tax free amount to start with and after that it’s the same for everyone. So we all pay the same percentage wise. I don’t care if the guy earning £100k a week pays the same top rate of 45% as the guy earning £160k a year. The richer guy still keeps a higher number so isn’t penalised he just pays his fair and equal percentage share.
Slightly off topic but if you now get caught speeding they can take 75% of your weekly income off you.
So if you earn £400 they take £300 leaving you with 25% of your money.
The fine has a cap of £2.5k so if you earn £5k £10k or £20k a week the most you lose is 50% ; 25% and 12.5% So the richer you are the less it hurts as a percentage. Is that fair? Again the rich get a better benefit than the poorer.
Yes which is why I was asking if the tax free threshold would still be in place. Either way even with the threshold if the rate is 30% that's an increase for the lowest paid I think. Like you I agree the more you earn the more you pay but also the more you take home "
It should be a fairer system but we allow legal loopholes. What happens now is the middle income and the higher earners on PAYE end up paying more than the richest as a percentage.
It seriously needs balancing up. |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"Someone on 15k a year should pay the same amount of tax as someone who earns that in a month.
Sounds fair.
Not the same amount in £ but the same percentage, the person earning more still pays more tax. What’s unfair about the two example paying the same percentage ? Surely a system which gives different percentages to two different people is an unfair system?
Your quite right that what you describe would see the person on 15k per month pay massively more than the person on 15k per year. Would the current tax free amount still be in place that currently means the person on 15k per year avoids paying tax on most of their earnings?
Either way it represents a big tax increase
The guy on £15k a month gets the same tax free amount to start with and after that it’s the same for everyone. So we all pay the same percentage wise. I don’t care if the guy earning £100k a week pays the same top rate of 45% as the guy earning £160k a year. The richer guy still keeps a higher number so isn’t penalised he just pays his fair and equal percentage share.
Slightly off topic but if you now get caught speeding they can take 75% of your weekly income off you.
So if you earn £400 they take £300 leaving you with 25% of your money.
The fine has a cap of £2.5k so if you earn £5k £10k or £20k a week the most you lose is 50% ; 25% and 12.5% So the richer you are the less it hurts as a percentage. Is that fair? Again the rich get a better benefit than the poorer. Dont speed."
And that’s what you take away from the points. Never mind eh! |
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"Someone on 15k a year should pay the same amount of tax as someone who earns that in a month.
Sounds fair.
Not the same amount in £ but the same percentage, the person earning more still pays more tax. What’s unfair about the two example paying the same percentage ? Surely a system which gives different percentages to two different people is an unfair system?
Your quite right that what you describe would see the person on 15k per month pay massively more than the person on 15k per year. Would the current tax free amount still be in place that currently means the person on 15k per year avoids paying tax on most of their earnings?
Either way it represents a big tax increase
The guy on £15k a month gets the same tax free amount to start with and after that it’s the same for everyone. So we all pay the same percentage wise. I don’t care if the guy earning £100k a week pays the same top rate of 45% as the guy earning £160k a year. The richer guy still keeps a higher number so isn’t penalised he just pays his fair and equal percentage share.
Slightly off topic but if you now get caught speeding they can take 75% of your weekly income off you.
So if you earn £400 they take £300 leaving you with 25% of your money.
The fine has a cap of £2.5k so if you earn £5k £10k or £20k a week the most you lose is 50% ; 25% and 12.5% So the richer you are the less it hurts as a percentage. Is that fair? Again the rich get a better benefit than the poorer.
Yes which is why I was asking if the tax free threshold would still be in place. Either way even with the threshold if the rate is 30% that's an increase for the lowest paid I think. Like you I agree the more you earn the more you pay but also the more you take home
It should be a fairer system but we allow legal loopholes. What happens now is the middle income and the higher earners on PAYE end up paying more than the richest as a percentage.
It seriously needs balancing up. "
we don’t allow it jackal I’d shoot the twats it’s the governments every government that’s been in allows the rich to take the piss |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"Someone on 15k a year should pay the same amount of tax as someone who earns that in a month.
Sounds fair.
Not the same amount in £ but the same percentage, the person earning more still pays more tax. What’s unfair about the two example paying the same percentage ? Surely a system which gives different percentages to two different people is an unfair system?
Your quite right that what you describe would see the person on 15k per month pay massively more than the person on 15k per year. Would the current tax free amount still be in place that currently means the person on 15k per year avoids paying tax on most of their earnings?
Either way it represents a big tax increase
The guy on £15k a month gets the same tax free amount to start with and after that it’s the same for everyone. So we all pay the same percentage wise. I don’t care if the guy earning £100k a week pays the same top rate of 45% as the guy earning £160k a year. The richer guy still keeps a higher number so isn’t penalised he just pays his fair and equal percentage share.
Slightly off topic but if you now get caught speeding they can take 75% of your weekly income off you.
So if you earn £400 they take £300 leaving you with 25% of your money.
The fine has a cap of £2.5k so if you earn £5k £10k or £20k a week the most you lose is 50% ; 25% and 12.5% So the richer you are the less it hurts as a percentage. Is that fair? Again the rich get a better benefit than the poorer.
Yes which is why I was asking if the tax free threshold would still be in place. Either way even with the threshold if the rate is 30% that's an increase for the lowest paid I think. Like you I agree the more you earn the more you pay but also the more you take home
It should be a fairer system but we allow legal loopholes. What happens now is the middle income and the higher earners on PAYE end up paying more than the richest as a percentage.
It seriously needs balancing up. "
Didnt labour try that before and we ended up with a brain drain plus rich people moving abroad? |
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"In terms of 'looking after our own'how does that tally up with the explosion in food banks over the last 10 years exactly?because we arnt looking after our own Lionel but I’m some of the £14.6 billion over seas aid could help if it when to the right coase but that’s another thing with this government
So the explosion on food banks is to do with foreign aid?wtf can you read ?where have I said that I’m saying I’d like some of that money to get rid of them it’s 2021 and people use them to eat it’s a fucking disgrace mate pls don’t try putting words in my mouth just so you have something to disagree on ffs "
You are missing what I am trying to say.
Your argument is that the money from foreign aid should be spent on the undeserving poor here.
However if you look at the explosion in food banks for eg,there is no actual evidence this will happen.
If you are poor,in the Tories are you are deserving poor |
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