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It seems the breakaway regions of Ukraine will be recognised as independent by Russia. How does that sit with his buddies in China and their refusal to allow certain regions their independence I wonder? I'm sure there's plenty of the usual suspects here who will enlighten us all |
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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago
yumsville |
From the BBC's live feed 6.48pm:
The EU's foreign policy chief Josep Borrell said "If there is annexation, there will be sanctions, and if there is recognition, I will put the sanctions on the table and the ministers will decide"
It seems Putin is justifying seizing back Ukraine as it was "robbed" when the the Soviet Union fell in '91 |
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Everyone's jumping to help Ukraine and protect democracy, no one's asking the Ukraines government why they closed down 3 TV stations because they opposed them or why 5 members of the opposite party are still in prison. Not the democracy in my eye's. |
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By *x cplCouple
over a year ago
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Actually there was a statement issued to the EU, UK and USA regarding the revoking of the broadcast licences of the 3 Pro russian stations. There are many ukrainian politicians in prison Pro Western and Pro Russian mainly on corruption charges.. the for.er Pro Western president is even facing corruption charges. |
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"Everyone's jumping to help Ukraine and protect democracy, no one's asking the Ukraines government why they closed down 3 TV stations because they opposed them or why 5 members of the opposite party are still in prison. Not the democracy in my eye's. "
It's a joke, saying that the Ukrainian president is a stand up comedian.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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He’s made it clear from this that Ukrainian identity is a construct, ie, he wishes to create an “all-Russia state” - Belarus, Ukraine and Russia as one. I.e. a total invasion. |
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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago
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"Everyone's jumping to help Ukraine and protect democracy, no one's asking the Ukraines government why they closed down 3 TV stations because they opposed them or why 5 members of the opposite party are still in prison. Not the democracy in my eye's. "
No idea about the TV stations but I'd hazard a guess the 5 members of the opposition party were in some way affiliated to the previous installed Russian PM?
Viktor Yanukovych, who won by election fraud that trigged the Ukraine revolution - warrant for his arrest, accusing him of "mass killing of civilians"
Mykola Azarov - has been on the international wanted list for alleged abuse of power.
One may be Pavlo Lazarenko who previously embezzled $200m from Ukraine? |
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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago
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"He’s made it clear from this that Ukrainian identity is a construct, ie, he wishes to create an “all-Russia state” - Belarus, Ukraine and Russia as one. I.e. a total invasion. "
Asking for it to be ratified by Parliament is basically a given.
There's not only concern for Ukraine, there's similar with Latvia and Estonia to the North. Albania, Kosovo, Serbia to the West |
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By *rFunBoyMan
over a year ago
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"He’s made it clear from this that Ukrainian identity is a construct, ie, he wishes to create an “all-Russia state” - Belarus, Ukraine and Russia as one. I.e. a total invasion.
Asking for it to be ratified by Parliament is basically a given.
There's not only concern for Ukraine, there's similar with Latvia and Estonia to the North. Albania, Kosovo, Serbia to the West"
What the chances of Belarus actually making the invasion 'move' on the rest of Ukraine as Putin's puppet?
Can't blame Putin directly the.
Add Lithuania to the list too.. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"He’s made it clear from this that Ukrainian identity is a construct, ie, he wishes to create an “all-Russia state” - Belarus, Ukraine and Russia as one. I.e. a total invasion.
Asking for it to be ratified by Parliament is basically a given.
There's not only concern for Ukraine, there's similar with Latvia and Estonia to the North. Albania, Kosovo, Serbia to the West
What the chances of Belarus actually making the invasion 'move' on the rest of Ukraine as Putin's puppet?
Can't blame Putin directly the.
Add Lithuania to the list too.."
The Baltic countries are all part of nato… and if attacks they would envoke article 5…
The Russians are not mad enough to do that!
There are Russian divisions currently in Belarus at the moment as part of “joint military exercises”….
That putin speech is not going to go down well in Ukraine… he wants to be seen as a conquering hero but the bits that are pro Russia are already under Russian control! You think that the people won’t fight! |
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By *rFunBoyMan
over a year ago
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How strong is Article 5 if it came to the crunch?
The rhetoric from Putin today is frightening in the context of where he was when USSR collapsed and he's always maintained it was a travesty he'd put right.
"Ukraine is Russia". |
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"He’s made it clear from this that Ukrainian identity is a construct, ie, he wishes to create an “all-Russia state” - Belarus, Ukraine and Russia as one. I.e. a total invasion.
Asking for it to be ratified by Parliament is basically a given.
There's not only concern for Ukraine, there's similar with Latvia and Estonia to the North. Albania, Kosovo, Serbia to the West
What the chances of Belarus actually making the invasion 'move' on the rest of Ukraine as Putin's puppet?
Can't blame Putin directly the.
Add Lithuania to the list too..
The Baltic countries are all part of nato… and if attacks they would envoke article 5…
The Russians are not mad enough to do that!
There are Russian divisions currently in Belarus at the moment as part of “joint military exercises”….
That putin speech is not going to go down well in Ukraine… he wants to be seen as a conquering hero but the bits that are pro Russia are already under Russian control! You think that the people won’t fight! "
Indeed. However, since the OP, Vlad has definitely fucked up. Looks like he's actually stupider than a lot of us thought.
He's sent troops into Donetsk and Luhansk as "peacekeepers" - which is obvious bullshit.
The only people this is good news for are the shareholders of US/UK/EU weapons manufacturers - and the governments who are happy to supply weapons to Ukraine, to fight an unwinnable war, for years, with the bonus of thousands of dead Russians. All without suffering any losses of their own.
Vlad's an absolute cunt for doing what he's done - and it'll be interesting to see how long it takes him to fall because of it.
Or, put another way, how long the US/UK/EU are prepared to drag it out for - given the economic and political factors; which matter more to them than loss of life. 20 years in Afghanistan proves that equation true.
How China is going to react to all this will be significant. Back then, they weren't the economic superpower they are now - and there's definitely a limit to how much help they'll give Russia on this; because if they do too much, it'll risk harming their exports to the West.
Anyway - fuck you, Vlad! You fucking twat! |
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By *rFunBoyMan
over a year ago
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Not sure I'd call Putin stupid.
Arrogant, aggressive, dangerous and many other words on top, but he'll let every Russian spill their blood for his 'cause' if he demands it..
This is what happens when old Superpowers grow weak, rebalanced and China and Russia are favourites in this game.
I wouldn't be surprised uf China, seeing how it pans out and while the world's attention is elsewhere, goes for a grab on territories it historically claims as it own become its grab back - Thailand. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Not sure I'd call Putin stupid.
Arrogant, aggressive, dangerous and many other words on top, but he'll let every Russian spill their blood for his 'cause' if he demands it..
This is what happens when old Superpowers grow weak, rebalanced and China and Russia are favourites in this game.
I wouldn't be surprised uf China, seeing how it pans out and while the world's attention is elsewhere, goes for a grab on territories it historically claims as it own become its grab back - Thailand."
Did you mean Taiwan..? |
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By *rFunBoyMan
over a year ago
Longridge |
"Not sure I'd call Putin stupid.
Arrogant, aggressive, dangerous and many other words on top, but he'll let every Russian spill their blood for his 'cause' if he demands it..
This is what happens when old Superpowers grow weak, rebalanced and China and Russia are favourites in this game.
I wouldn't be surprised uf China, seeing how it pans out and while the world's attention is elsewhere, goes for a grab on territories it historically claims as it own become its grab back - Thailand.
Did you mean Taiwan..?"
Oh Phuk.. Er, yes.. ir was late..
Autocorrection |
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"And now the US is going to bring in sanctions against these entities. FFS banning all trade with Russia has to be the only thing that will work aside from war? "
Work how? Will work to hurt our economy that's for sure. |
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"And now the US is going to bring in sanctions against these entities. FFS banning all trade with Russia has to be the only thing that will work aside from war?
Work how? Will work to hurt our economy that's for sure. "
Thank you Mr Chamberlain |
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By *bernathCouple
over a year ago
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Well China is not actually supporting the Russians, surprisingly they are not happy as it is affecting china's road and belt project, they have close ties also with Ukraine, and invested heavily. They have sending messages to Chinese Nationals to protect themselves.
China know situations like this are not good for business, considering that America, not Russia is one of its largest markets, and it tends to deal with the EU another large Market, it would not want Sanctions being extended to their country.
China also is diversifying its Energy portfolios, so although it has deals with Russia for Gas or Oil, its largely less reliant on them.
I think they are going to sit this one out. |
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Russia has the right to defend against America. Ukraine, with all the conjoined history should have never imagined bringing NATO to the Russian border. Hearing Boris and Joe saying "invaded a sovereign nation", makes you realise that invading Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, the whole Israel and Palestine didn't mean shit. And you wonder why that big black dick is superior? |
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By *rFunBoyMan
over a year ago
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Many people don't seem to understand the relationship and history of these countries and why Russian Separatists are a danger to the country they reside in.
Putin is using them as triggers to uprisings when the government of the country it is happening in moves to control it. It then becomes a mini civil war, Russia makes accusation of ethnic cleansing and genocide.
In Putins eyes and part of the planning, he can then claim to be helping the "Russian Speaking" communities within the country or that he is peacekeeping.
If not for occupation since WW2, there would be no Russian population residing within the country as previous generations laid roots and rather than live in harmony with the dominant population, they seek to convert the area back to being part of Russia by causing trouble.
It's like a cancer that spreads and as soon as governments try to clamp down, Putin sets sights and gets involved and what we are seeing, happens.
The Russians in these countries are descendants of occupying Russians which is why native people cannot stand them being there.
They have agitated and caused trouble, hence closing of Kremlin backed TV stations.
If Russian-Ukrainians (Separatists - the clue is within the term) then after 1991 if they weren't happy, they should have moved back to Russia. Instead, they stuck around as sleepers causing trouble for the native population who have put up with so much from Russian occupation and the legacy they left.
Torture, aggression, imprisonment, suppression and so much more, if you've been to Eastern Europe you'll have seen the hurt and pain they caused in every country.
There is a valid reason for the resentment and its nothing to do with democracy.
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By *x cplCouple
over a year ago
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"Many people don't seem to understand the relationship and history of these countries and why Russian Separatists are a danger to the country they reside in.
Putin is using them as triggers to uprisings when the government of the country it is happening in moves to control it. It then becomes a mini civil war, Russia makes accusation of ethnic cleansing and genocide.
In Putins eyes and part of the planning, he can then claim to be helping the "Russian Speaking" communities within the country or that he is peacekeeping.
If not for occupation since WW2, there would be no Russian population residing within the country as previous generations laid roots and rather than live in harmony with the dominant population, they seek to convert the area back to being part of Russia by causing trouble.
It's like a cancer that spreads and as soon as governments try to clamp down, Putin sets sights and gets involved and what we are seeing, happens.
The Russians in these countries are descendants of occupying Russians which is why native people cannot stand them being there.
They have agitated and caused trouble, hence closing of Kremlin backed TV stations.
If Russian-Ukrainians (Separatists - the clue is within the term) then after 1991 if they weren't happy, they should have moved back to Russia. Instead, they stuck around as sleepers causing trouble for the native population who have put up with so much from Russian occupation and the legacy they left.
Torture, aggression, imprisonment, suppression and so much more, if you've been to Eastern Europe you'll have seen the hurt and pain they caused in every country.
There is a valid reason for the resentment and its nothing to do with democracy.
Whilst partly true in that the east of ukraine had forcibly resettled native Russians placed there then explain how a large number from these regions relocated to western ukraine when the separatists siezed control ? 10 years ago 80% plus of kiev/kyiv spoke Russian as a first language and it was a recognised state language before the separatists siezed control of donetsk and luhansk. The issue started when a pro russian president (Yanokovich) was toppled from power (months from an upcoming general election which he was favourite to win) mainly using a lot of pressure from western countries and media, trying to understand politics in many former Eastern european states is complicated. Yanokovich was pro Russia and a major figure in Eastern ukrainian politics and allegedly the head of the mafia there, when he was toppled and fled to Russia taking billions of dollars with him it cut off his main source of income which was Eastern ukraine. Most of the Russian support in Eastern ukraine was mercenaries who was funding these ? Probably Yanokovich and allies he had in Russia. As we said it's complicated. Since the separatists sized control ukraine and most western media has been banned and pro Russian media only which has lead to many people in these areas ideology changing to regard the west of ukraine as being controlled by ultra nationalists bent on destruction of Russians. Which is far from the truth but is the story fed to Russians and the separatists regions of ukraine.
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Fucking warmongering cunt!!!
