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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Well I have to conceed I was wrong. one corrupt superpower (Russia) has reacted to the west's goading by invading a pawn of the west (Ukraine)
Egged on by an incompitant corrupt useless superpower (America) and their hang ons like the UK.
I've Been in two stupid American wars as a medic, one illegal and thankful I'm not in a third.
Thoughts and prairs go out to the innocent victims regardless of their nationality
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"Well I have to conceed I was wrong. one corrupt superpower (Russia) has reacted to the west's goading by invading a pawn of the west (Ukraine)
Egged on by an incompitant corrupt useless superpower (America) and their hang ons like the UK.
I've Been in two stupid American wars as a medic, one illegal and thankful I'm not in a third.
Thoughts and prairs go out to the innocent victims regardless of their nationality
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I am also guilty of thinking this was just a ploy by Putin , I didn’t think he would go this far, I just hope there can be a solution before it gets worse . |
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As I've said in another thread, Putin has already won. Even if the sanctions (and why not apply all of them immediately) have the desired effect, it'll simply stop him. It won't make him give up his gains. The west is weak and both he and China know it. While I'm at it, the only sanctions that will have any effect are those that will be applied by the USA. The same USA that is the only meaningful military force in NATO and the same USA that continues to be slagged off by numerous individuals on here. |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
North West |
"Well I have to conceed I was wrong. one corrupt superpower (Russia) has reacted to the west's goading by invading a pawn of the west (Ukraine)
Egged on by an incompitant corrupt useless superpower (America) and their hang ons like the UK.
I've Been in two stupid American wars as a medic, one illegal and thankful I'm not in a third.
Thoughts and prairs go out to the innocent victims regardless of their nationality
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How have ‘the West’ been goading Russia?
Please don’t try to suggest that independent countries making their own independent decisions is somehow the fault of ‘the West’.
Independent countries making their own sovereign decisions is their indelible right. Russia invading such a country to enforce regime change and illegally occupy it is no one else’s fault but Russia’s. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"As I've said in another thread, Putin has already won. Even if the sanctions (and why not apply all of them immediately) have the desired effect, it'll simply stop him. It won't make him give up his gains. The west is weak and both he and China know it. While I'm at it, the only sanctions that will have any effect are those that will be applied by the USA. The same USA that is the only meaningful military force in NATO and the same USA that continues to be slagged off by numerous individuals on here. "
He has not won, things will never go back to the way they were even if he does take the Ukraine until he is gone. Most of the world will view him as a despot and sanctions will last until he has gone the world cannot afford to let benefit from this.
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"As I've said in another thread, Putin has already won. Even if the sanctions (and why not apply all of them immediately) have the desired effect, it'll simply stop him. It won't make him give up his gains. The west is weak and both he and China know it. While I'm at it, the only sanctions that will have any effect are those that will be applied by the USA. The same USA that is the only meaningful military force in NATO and the same USA that continues to be slagged off by numerous individuals on here. He has not won, things will never go back to the way they were even if he does take the Ukraine until he is gone. Most of the world will view him as a despot and sanctions will last until he has gone the world cannot afford to let benefit from this."
And once he is gone it will not matter. |
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"Well I have to conceed I was wrong. one corrupt superpower (Russia) has reacted to the west's goading by invading a pawn of the west (Ukraine)
Egged on by an incompitant corrupt useless superpower (America) and their hang ons like the UK.
I've Been in two stupid American wars as a medic, one illegal and thankful I'm not in a third.
Thoughts and prairs go out to the innocent victims regardless of their nationality
How have ‘the West’ been goading Russia?
Please don’t try to suggest that independent countries making their own independent decisions is somehow the fault of ‘the West’.
Independent countries making their own sovereign decisions is their indelible right. Russia invading such a country to enforce regime change and illegally occupy it is no one else’s fault but Russia’s."
100% agree with _oo hot here that’s not happened often l |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"As I've said in another thread, Putin has already won. Even if the sanctions (and why not apply all of them immediately) have the desired effect, it'll simply stop him. It won't make him give up his gains. The west is weak and both he and China know it. While I'm at it, the only sanctions that will have any effect are those that will be applied by the USA. The same USA that is the only meaningful military force in NATO and the same USA that continues to be slagged off by numerous individuals on here. He has not won, things will never go back to the way they were even if he does take the Ukraine until he is gone. Most of the world will view him as a despot and sanctions will last until he has gone the world cannot afford to let benefit from this.
And once he is gone it will not matter."
I think he has painted himself into a corner,i doubt if the russian people want to kill people who they class as their own.My hope is when the fighting gets close up and personal that they realize what they are doing for a nutter is not what they want,if the generals decided it was wrong putin could not do a thing about it.Thats my hope anyway. |
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"As I've said in another thread, Putin has already won. Even if the sanctions (and why not apply all of them immediately) have the desired effect, it'll simply stop him. It won't make him give up his gains. The west is weak and both he and China know it. While I'm at it, the only sanctions that will have any effect are those that will be applied by the USA. The same USA that is the only meaningful military force in NATO and the same USA that continues to be slagged off by numerous individuals on here. He has not won, things will never go back to the way they were even if he does take the Ukraine until he is gone. Most of the world will view him as a despot and sanctions will last until he has gone the world cannot afford to let benefit from this.
And once he is gone it will not matter.I think he has painted himself into a corner,i doubt if the russian people want to kill people who they class as their own.My hope is when the fighting gets close up and personal that they realize what they are doing for a nutter is not what they want,if the generals decided it was wrong putin could not do a thing about it.Thats my hope anyway."
And fairies live at the bottom of the garden. If they were that concerned they wouldn't have gone this far. Time to accept the harsh reality |
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"Well I have to conceed I was wrong. one corrupt superpower (Russia) has reacted to the west's goading by invading a pawn of the west (Ukraine)
Egged on by an incompitant corrupt useless superpower (America) and their hang ons like the UK.
I've Been in two stupid American wars as a medic, one illegal and thankful I'm not in a third.
Thoughts and prairs go out to the innocent victims regardless of their nationality
How have ‘the West’ been goading Russia?
Please don’t try to suggest that independent countries making their own independent decisions is somehow the fault of ‘the West’.
Independent countries making their own sovereign decisions is their indelible right. Russia invading such a country to enforce regime change and illegally occupy it is no one else’s fault but Russia’s."
Well said  .
Calico how can you admit you were wrong about Russia and then still blame the West for starting this conflict in the same post? You are still wrong just like you were from the beginning. There is no excuse for Russias aggressive actions and any attempt by yourself or anyone else to defend them or try to justify them is pathetic in the eyes of the rest of the world. |
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"Well I have to conceed I was wrong. one corrupt superpower (Russia) has reacted to the west's goading by invading a pawn of the west (Ukraine)
Egged on by an incompitant corrupt useless superpower (America) and their hang ons like the UK.
I've Been in two stupid American wars as a medic, one illegal and thankful I'm not in a third.
Thoughts and prairs go out to the innocent victims regardless of their nationality
How have ‘the West’ been goading Russia?
Please don’t try to suggest that independent countries making their own independent decisions is somehow the fault of ‘the West’.
Independent countries making their own sovereign decisions is their indelible right. Russia invading such a country to enforce regime change and illegally occupy it is no one else’s fault but Russia’s. 100% agree with _oo hot here that’s not happened often l"
I'm also on agreement here.
You could argue countries in "the west" were not helpful. But Putin and his generals are 100% at fault for starting this war/invasion.
To suggest otherwise removes some of his culpability. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"Well I have to conceed I was wrong. one corrupt superpower (Russia) has reacted to the west's goading by invading a pawn of the west (Ukraine)
Egged on by an incompitant corrupt useless superpower (America) and their hang ons like the UK.
I've Been in two stupid American wars as a medic, one illegal and thankful I'm not in a third.
Thoughts and prairs go out to the innocent victims regardless of their nationality
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Wow…. After everything you said yesterday!!! Admitting you were duped but still trying to blame the other side! That’s a bit rich…
It’s a bit like RT today in their broadcasts twisting and trying to not call it what Everyone knows it is… which is an invasion!!!
So… just what are the west in your eyes apparently guilty of?? |
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
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"As I've said in another thread, Putin has already won. Even if the sanctions (and why not apply all of them immediately) have the desired effect, it'll simply stop him. It won't make him give up his gains. The west is weak and both he and China know it. While I'm at it, the only sanctions that will have any effect are those that will be applied by the USA. The same USA that is the only meaningful military force in NATO and the same USA that continues to be slagged off by numerous individuals on here. He has not won, things will never go back to the way they were even if he does take the Ukraine until he is gone. Most of the world will view him as a despot and sanctions will last until he has gone the world cannot afford to let benefit from this.
And once he is gone it will not matter.I think he has painted himself into a corner,i doubt if the russian people want to kill people who they class as their own.My hope is when the fighting gets close up and personal that they realize what they are doing for a nutter is not what they want,if the generals decided it was wrong putin could not do a thing about it.Thats my hope anyway."
From what I read if it comes to urban fighting that is Ukraine's best chance of inflicting heavy casualties on the Russians. Still at least we got the promise from Macron that they won't invade |
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Just watching these “peacekeepers” de nazifying innocent peoples houses.
Heart breaking scenes. The advent of social media is getting these atrocities out there quicker. Putin can’t hide these scenes from the world.
And what’s China got to say? Ah yes invasion is such a strong word. |
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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago
Bristol |
"Well I have to conceed I was wrong. one corrupt superpower (Russia) has reacted to the west's goading by invading a pawn of the west (Ukraine)
Egged on by an incompitant corrupt useless superpower (America) and their hang ons like the UK.
I've Been in two stupid American wars as a medic, one illegal and thankful I'm not in a third.
Thoughts and prairs go out to the innocent victims regardless of their nationality
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You really think the west has any influence in him invading ?
He has been planning this for a long time
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This was all set in motion years back when they invaded and took Crimea by force and argued that the will off the people there was to be part off Russia supposedly..
Ever since then back and forth battles and conflicts between separatists and then those defending Ukraine carried on for years..
Fast forward now Russia saw Ukraine wanting to join NATO as the final straw among other things and is now using that as an excuse to further invade/expand it's territory into Ukrainian land as we speak by force..
Millions off displaced citizens are now evacuating where as others are conscripted to fight, all around the world they where condemning and putting sanctions and making promises they would retaliate if Ukraine was invaded by Russia..
But if anything it's a more severely dangerous repeat of 2014, all the big wig nations know for a fact if they take Russia head on they risk sparking a world war.. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Well I have to conceed I was wrong. one corrupt superpower (Russia) has reacted to the west's goading by invading a pawn of the west (Ukraine)
Egged on by an incompitant corrupt useless superpower (America) and their hang ons like the UK.
I've Been in two stupid American wars as a medic, one illegal and thankful I'm not in a third.
Thoughts and prairs go out to the innocent victims regardless of their nationality
How have ‘the West’ been goading Russia?
Please don’t try to suggest that independent countries making their own independent decisions is somehow the fault of ‘the West’.
Independent countries making their own sovereign decisions is their indelible right. Russia invading such a country to enforce regime change and illegally occupy it is no one else’s fault but Russia’s."
Not listening to russia's concerns regarding the expansion of nato eastwards,
Joe Biden saying he's ignoring Russian Red lines, constantly rubbishing russian concerns and demanding russia conceed everything while the west's demands are all met without at least making serious efforts in negotiations.
All "big thought talk" bluster from America and the west has backfired big style.
Putin I think felt his hand was forced to act before Ukraine joined nato.
Plenty of missed opportunities here
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"There'll be no winners here
Putin already has the minimum he was after
Yes but will he stop there?! "
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For the time being, probably. Once the sanctions hurt, he'll stop. I'm time they'll stop and then he'll start again. I don't see why it's so difficult to comprehend |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"How have ‘the West’ been goading Russia?
Please don’t try to suggest that independent countries making their own independent decisions is somehow the fault of ‘the West’.
Independent countries making their own sovereign decisions is their indelible right. Russia invading such a country to enforce regime change and illegally occupy it is no one else’s fault but Russia’s.
Not listening to russia's concerns regarding the expansion of nato eastwards,
Joe Biden saying he's ignoring Russian Red lines, constantly rubbishing russian concerns and demanding russia conceed everything while the west's demands are all met without at least making serious efforts in negotiations.
All "big thought talk" bluster from America and the west has backfired big style.
Putin I think felt his hand was forced to act before Ukraine joined nato.
Plenty of missed opportunities here
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I am sorry but the excuses you are using is laughable
Joining NATO is written into the Ukrainian constitution… and Ukraine is nowhere near being eligible to join anyway, if you are telling me putin didn’t know this then his advisers should be removed!
It’s any good excuse that basically suits a cause and a narrative which is putins desire for putting back together a “greater Russian empire “… Belarus is a Russian proxy, and if I was Georgia or Armenia for example.. I’d be worried that I would be next |
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"How have ‘the West’ been goading Russia?
Please don’t try to suggest that independent countries making their own independent decisions is somehow the fault of ‘the West’.
Independent countries making their own sovereign decisions is their indelible right. Russia invading such a country to enforce regime change and illegally occupy it is no one else’s fault but Russia’s.
Not listening to russia's concerns regarding the expansion of nato eastwards,
Joe Biden saying he's ignoring Russian Red lines, constantly rubbishing russian concerns and demanding russia conceed everything while the west's demands are all met without at least making serious efforts in negotiations.
All "big thought talk" bluster from America and the west has backfired big style.
Putin I think felt his hand was forced to act before Ukraine joined nato.
Plenty of missed opportunities here
I am sorry but the excuses you are using is laughable
Joining NATO is written into the Ukrainian constitution… and Ukraine is nowhere near being eligible to join anyway, if you are telling me putin didn’t know this then his advisers should be removed!
It’s any good excuse that basically suits a cause and a narrative which is putins desire for putting back together a “greater Russian empire “… Belarus is a Russian proxy, and if I was Georgia or Armenia for example.. I’d be worried that I would be next"
Nato members have a vote who joins the alliance. And Ukraine are a long long way off getting in. |
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"As I've said in another thread, Putin has already won. Even if the sanctions (and why not apply all of them immediately) have the desired effect, it'll simply stop him. It won't make him give up his gains. The west is weak and both he and China know it. While I'm at it, the only sanctions that will have any effect are those that will be applied by the USA. The same USA that is the only meaningful military force in NATO and the same USA that continues to be slagged off by numerous individuals on here. He has not won, things will never go back to the way they were even if he does take the Ukraine until he is gone. Most of the world will view him as a despot and sanctions will last until he has gone the world cannot afford to let benefit from this.
And once he is gone it will not matter."
it depend who comes next after putin,,,another despot who wants to rebuild the old U.S.S.R.  putin sees himself as another stalin... churchill was right in thinking at the end of ww2 maybe it would be easier to re arm the germans and get rid of the communists in 1945 while all the armies are there than wait for ww3 where will putin decide to invade next?? hungary? poland? latvia? all were under russian control for many years |
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over a year ago
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"As I've said in another thread, Putin has already won. Even if the sanctions (and why not apply all of them immediately) have the desired effect, it'll simply stop him. It won't make him give up his gains. The west is weak and both he and China know it. While I'm at it, the only sanctions that will have any effect are those that will be applied by the USA. The same USA that is the only meaningful military force in NATO and the same USA that continues to be slagged off by numerous individuals on here. He has not won, things will never go back to the way they were even if he does take the Ukraine until he is gone. Most of the world will view him as a despot and sanctions will last until he has gone the world cannot afford to let benefit from this.
And once he is gone it will not matter. it depend who comes next after putin,,,another despot who wants to rebuild the old U.S.S.R. putin sees himself as another stalin... churchill was right in thinking at the end of ww2 maybe it would be easier to re arm the germans and get rid of the communists in 1945 while all the armies are there than wait for ww3 where will putin decide to invade next?? hungary? poland? latvia? all were under russian control for many years "
Once no military action is taken by NATO over Ukraine Putin will continue to invade the old countries who were part of the former USSR he believes the US and the UK are now weak after the hasty withdrawal from Afghanistan |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"How have ‘the West’ been goading Russia?
Please don’t try to suggest that independent countries making their own independent decisions is somehow the fault of ‘the West’.
Independent countries making their own sovereign decisions is their indelible right. Russia invading such a country to enforce regime change and illegally occupy it is no one else’s fault but Russia’s.
Not listening to russia's concerns regarding the expansion of nato eastwards,
Joe Biden saying he's ignoring Russian Red lines, constantly rubbishing russian concerns and demanding russia conceed everything while the west's demands are all met without at least making serious efforts in negotiations.
All "big thought talk" bluster from America and the west has backfired big style.
Putin I think felt his hand was forced to act before Ukraine joined nato.
Plenty of missed opportunities here
I am sorry but the excuses you are using is laughable
Joining NATO is written into the Ukrainian constitution… and Ukraine is nowhere near being eligible to join anyway, if you are telling me putin didn’t know this then his advisers should be removed!
It’s any good excuse that basically suits a cause and a narrative which is putins desire for putting back together a “greater Russian empire “… Belarus is a Russian proxy, and if I was Georgia or Armenia for example.. I’d be worried that I would be next"
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
North West |
Personally, I think Putin may have made something of a strategic mistake here. Ordinary Ukrainian people will not just accept this. There will likely be constant harassment (attacks) on Russian soldiers and stooges for as long as this nonsense goes on.
My wife is Russian and her communication with her family and friends in Russia suggests that there is more than just a feeling that Putin has lost his mind somewhat with this. Yes, the action is part of the Russian playbook - but it is an unwinnable campaign for Russia in the long term. Ukraine is a huge country and Russia cannot even dream of holding the population under occupation control. |
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Putin has made a grave error today. A lot of dead Russia soldiers will see him hanged by his own people!! Russian got their arses kicked in some places, at least 200 paratroopers dead at a Kyiv airport, many more forced to flee for their lives. Ukraine may be outgunned but they are fighting for their homeland and Russian body bags have been stacking up. |
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By *ioloCouple
over a year ago
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Let’s hope this is the end for Putin. The idiot is culpable not just for his neighbours but for his own people as well. Hopefully the Russians themselves will hang him. The first troops invading are most likely drug addicts, criminals or other trash from the ex soviet countries. If the Ukrainians can manage to go through this ones, and they should because they are not exactly saints either, many of them fighting all over the place,then the regular Russian troops might not have the same appetite for fighting. |
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By *rFunBoyMan
over a year ago
Longridge |
"Well I have to conceed I was wrong. one corrupt superpower (Russia) has reacted to the west's goading by invading a pawn of the west (Ukraine)
Egged on by an incompitant corrupt useless superpower (America) and their hang ons like the UK.
I've Been in two stupid American wars as a medic, one illegal and thankful I'm not in a third.
Thoughts and prairs go out to the innocent victims regardless of their nationality
I am also guilty of thinking this was just a ploy by Putin , I didn’t think he would go this far, I just hope there can be a solution before it gets worse . "
The writing was on the wall..
The next problem being:
"To anyone who would consider interfering from the outside - if you do, you will face consequences greater than any you have faced in history". |
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By *rFunBoyMan
over a year ago
Longridge |
When I was 17, I worked with one of those Wise Old Owls that liked to talk politics, history and generally a good banter just before he retired.
Just after the Berlin Wall had come down and relationships with Russia were warming, we were talking and his words have stuck me ever since.
He said that one day, Russia will become our best friend, they'll give us cheap oil, cheap gas while at the same time take as much money as they can.
They'll use the money to line the pockets of a few, build up an army, develop better weapons - then one day in the future, they'll turn on us and bite hard like a dog.
How true his words were.. |
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By *andy 1Couple
over a year ago
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"Well I have to conceed I was wrong. one corrupt superpower (Russia) has reacted to the west's goading by invading a pawn of the west (Ukraine)
Egged on by an incompitant corrupt useless superpower (America) and their hang ons like the UK.
I've Been in two stupid American wars as a medic, one illegal and thankful I'm not in a third.
Thoughts and prairs go out to the innocent victims regardless of their nationality
How have ‘the West’ been goading Russia?
Please don’t try to suggest that independent countries making their own independent decisions is somehow the fault of ‘the West’.
Independent countries making their own sovereign decisions is their indelible right. Russia invading such a country to enforce regime change and illegally occupy it is no one else’s fault but Russia’s."
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By *andy 1Couple
over a year ago
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"Well I have to conceed I was wrong. one corrupt superpower (Russia) has reacted to the west's goading by invading a pawn of the west (Ukraine)
Egged on by an incompitant corrupt useless superpower (America) and their hang ons like the UK.
I've Been in two stupid American wars as a medic, one illegal and thankful I'm not in a third.
Thoughts and prairs go out to the innocent victims regardless of their nationality
How have ‘the West’ been goading Russia?
Please don’t try to suggest that independent countries making their own independent decisions is somehow the fault of ‘the West’.
Independent countries making their own sovereign decisions is their indelible right. Russia invading such a country to enforce regime change and illegally occupy it is no one else’s fault but Russia’s.
Well said .
Calico how can you admit you were wrong about Russia and then still blame the West for starting this conflict in the same post? You are still wrong just like you were from the beginning. There is no excuse for Russias aggressive actions and any attempt by yourself or anyone else to defend them or try to justify them is pathetic in the eyes of the rest of the world."
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
It’s early so won’t word this well but...
FFS human species why does everything have to be divided down tribalist lines?
Why does there gave to be opposing factions on the world stage?
Why can’t America and Russia (and China) be “friends”. Why can’t they work together and compromise and act in support of the whole world?
Eg. If the possibility (distant or otherwise) of Ukraine joining NATO is something Putin feared then that is only an issue if NATO is the enemy of Russia. Do they need to be the enemy? Why?
I know that probably all sounds incredibly naive but jeez humans are shit. Imagine what could be accomplished working together! |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Personally, I think Putin may have made something of a strategic mistake here. Ordinary Ukrainian people will not just accept this. There will likely be constant harassment (attacks) on Russian soldiers and stooges for as long as this nonsense goes on.
My wife is Russian and her communication with her family and friends in Russia suggests that there is more than just a feeling that Putin has lost his mind somewhat with this. Yes, the action is part of the Russian playbook - but it is an unwinnable campaign for Russia in the long term. Ukraine is a huge country and Russia cannot even dream of holding the population under occupation control."
Yes I agree that put in has fucked up here, and it'll end badly |
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By *rFunBoyMan
over a year ago
Longridge |
Because underneath, we're still Monkeys.
Putin is suspicious and paranoid of the West, the West are suspicious and paranoid of Putin.
It's how it's always been. The West shouldn't have gone round claiming victory after the Cold War- no one actually won.
There's a good article on Putin from many years ago on the BBC which explains what you are seeing now. He ultimately want Russia back as the USSR. He is ex KGB, surrounded by other ex KGB and believes the old Eastern Block should be reassembled. Nostalgia for Russian control over Baltic states as an occupying force.
Putin was hoping Ukrainian separatists would rise up, but it appears there are no big presence in the West and Centre.
Someone grossly miscalculated what would happen. 1.3 million Ukrainians willing to fight a guerilla warfare, seeing those brave ladies in a park making petrol bombs was heart breaking.
Chechnya all over again.. USSR by proxy.
Find this song: jealousy and greed.
Hans plays with Lotte, Lotte plays with Jane
Jane plays with Willy, Willy is happy again
Suki plays with Leo, Sacha plays with Britt
Adolf builds a bonfire, Enrico plays with it
Whistling tunes
We hide in the dunes by the seaside
Whistling tunes
We're kissing baboons in the jungle
It's a knockout
If looks could kill, they probably will
In games without frontiers
War without tears
If looks could kill, they probably will
In games without frontiers
War without tears
Games without frontiers
War without tears
Jeux sans frontières
Jeux sans frontières
Jeux sans frontières
Andre has a red flag, Chiang Ching's is blue
They all have hills to fly them on except for Lin Tai Yu
Dressing up in costumes, playing silly games
Hiding out in treetops, shouting out rude names
Whistling tunes
We hide in the dunes by the seaside
Whistling tunes
We piss on the goons in the jungle
It's a knockout
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By *rFunBoyMan
over a year ago
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And yes..
He screwed up, it was obvious from his speech yesterday that he was relying on the Ukrainians to turn in on themselves and the Government, its not happening and the rhetoric used was from a desperate man.
Zelenski, has proven himself to be a people's president and I pray for him. The strength of bonding is gelled the country with is amazing considering 3 years ago he was a comedian.
Like Churchill, the right person at the right time.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Well I have to conceed I was wrong. one corrupt superpower (Russia) has reacted to the west's goading by invading a pawn of the west (Ukraine)
Egged on by an incompitant corrupt useless superpower (America) and their hang ons like the UK.
I've Been in two stupid American wars as a medic, one illegal and thankful I'm not in a third.
Thoughts and prairs go out to the innocent victims regardless of their nationality
How have ‘the West’ been goading Russia?
Please don’t try to suggest that independent countries making their own independent decisions is somehow the fault of ‘the West’.
Independent countries making their own sovereign decisions is their indelible right. Russia invading such a country to enforce regime change and illegally occupy it is no one else’s fault but Russia’s."
Your right. What I. Saying is America and Europe saw an advantage in Russia bashing at Ukraine expense and stirring it up with suggesting Nato etc... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The real scariest thing about this whole situation that I don't hear many people mention is that if putin fires nukes... they will more than likely be headed straight for the United Kingdom
Far enough away from them.
But close enough target. |
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By *I TwoCouple
over a year ago
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"The real scariest thing about this whole situation that I don't hear many people mention is that if putin fires nukes... they will more than likely be headed straight for the United Kingdom
Far enough away from them.
But close enough target."
I don't think he could launch just one, it would have to be a strategic launch to take out all his enemies simultaneously otherwise hundreds of nukes would already be on the way to Moscow before his crosses the border. |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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"The cant reach the us and Eastern Europe is to close to home. "
InterContinental Ballistic Missiles can easily reach any part of the planet from anywhere on the planet.
Russia and The USA understand that firing just one of them means mutually assured destruction.
The idea would be to fire thousands of them before the other side has time to react.
Here in the U.K. we would get about 25-30 minutes notice of incoming missiles. Enough for a last shag - not much else. |
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By *estivalMan
over a year ago
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"The cant reach the us and Eastern Europe is to close to home. "
oh i think you will find an icbm can pretty much reach most places on the planet your obviously thinking of the fireworks n. Korea have,
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