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over a year ago
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"Cuts all over the place yet another other £2k for the poor cherubs
Thoroughly deserved I'm sure
Goodness , I bet you're a laugh at parties 
As it goes, yes I am  "
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"Cuts all over the place yet another other £2k for the poor cherubs
Thoroughly deserved I'm sure
Goodness , I bet you're a laugh at parties
As it goes, yes I am
Obviously not swinging parties "
I've been known to swing at certain individuals. Any comment on the actual post???? |
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over a year ago
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"Cuts all over the place yet another other £2k for the poor cherubs
Thoroughly deserved I'm sure
Goodness , I bet you're a laugh at parties
As it goes, yes I am
Obviously not swinging parties
I've been known to swing at certain individuals. Any comment on the actual post????"
One day you will get a green tick?? , I was just responding in kind to your comment on another thread, it’s only banter |
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"Cuts all over the place yet another other £2k for the poor cherubs
Thoroughly deserved I'm sure
Goodness , I bet you're a laugh at parties
As it goes, yes I am
Obviously not swinging parties
I've been known to swing at certain individuals. Any comment on the actual post????
One day you will get a green tick?? , I was just responding in kind to your comment on another thread, it’s only banter "
Still no comment on the original post |
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They don’t set it, have no influence and based (percentage wise) on other public sector increases. They haven’t had an increase for two years and the leaders are asking for the IPSA not to implement this one as well.
Until it goes through, no story |
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I actually think our MPs are woefully underpaid.
The vast majority of them are well meaning and earnest but basically not up to the job and we need people who are really capable and who would see it as a proper career.
The people who could be capable can earn far more than an MP currently does and so they don’t become MPs. We are all the worse off for that. |
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By *tranTV/TS
over a year ago
City |
I think the whole system needs to be scrapped.
I don't know why MP should be payed anything more than a normal middle management job. I think the system should change so we can actually evaluate what they do better.
A lot of the time they just go into a department and say one or two ideas to the other civil servants who have been there since tatcher and basically do nothing. |
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By *BWarksCouple
over a year ago
warwick |
MPs haven’t been paid enough for years.
There pay may seem a lot to most people but the pay rates of the top jobs about are many times higher than many of us earn …. MPs pay has to compete….. pay peanuts get monkeys |
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"I actually think our MPs are woefully underpaid.
The vast majority of them are well meaning and earnest but basically not up to the job and we need people who are really capable and who would see it as a proper career.
The people who could be capable can earn far more than an MP currently does and so they don’t become MPs. We are all the worse off for that."
I agree they are under paid. But taking this pay rise is bad optics in the current climate. |
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"I actually think our MPs are woefully underpaid.
The vast majority of them are well meaning and earnest but basically not up to the job and we need people who are really capable and who would see it as a proper career.
The people who could be capable can earn far more than an MP currently does and so they don’t become MPs. We are all the worse off for that.
I agree they are under paid. But taking this pay rise is bad optics in the current climate. "
The optics are always bad. |
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"I think the whole system needs to be scrapped.
I don't know why MP should be payed anything more than a normal middle management job. I think the system should change so we can actually evaluate what they do better.
A lot of the time they just go into a department and say one or two ideas to the other civil servants who have been there since tatcher and basically do nothing."
Middle managers are middle managers because they are not good enough to be senior managers.
I am not sure that having people that only have middle management capability is really what we want. |
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"I actually think our MPs are woefully underpaid.
The vast majority of them are well meaning and earnest but basically not up to the job and we need people who are really capable and who would see it as a proper career.
The people who could be capable can earn far more than an MP currently does and so they don’t become MPs. We are all the worse off for that.
I agree they are under paid. But taking this pay rise is bad optics in the current climate. "
You know they have no say in whether this goes through or not ? |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
The whole system needs a total revamp. IMHO the MPs should all get a massive pay rise...
BUT be forbidden from having 2nd, 3rd jobs or consultancy positions. They should also not be allowed to join any company in any capacity for 5 years after leaving politics IF that company was operating in a field that the MP had some involvement with (ie lobbying for the downstream reward).
Also dramatically revamp allowable expenses and build an MP hotel in Westminster to avoid need for “2nd homes”. |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
Terra Firma |
"Anyone worrying about the impending rise in gas and electricity prices must welcome a £2,200 pay rise
Absolutely, and they will take it.
Not like the rest of this country down on its knees. "
£2200 a year pay rise is shockingly low for the job.
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"The whole system needs a total revamp. IMHO the MPs should all get a massive pay rise...
BUT be forbidden from having 2nd, 3rd jobs or consultancy positions. They should also not be allowed to join any company in any capacity for 5 years after leaving politics IF that company was operating in a field that the MP had some involvement with (ie lobbying for the downstream reward).
Also dramatically revamp allowable expenses and build an MP hotel in Westminster to avoid need for “2nd homes”."
Now that makes sense to me and in an ideal world that would remove the “need” for second or third jobs but I dont think it would change anything except make life more expensive through increased taxation and allow MPs to be even less in tune with the general public than they already are….Boris, Priti, Jacob, etc
Money swills around the US system and it doesn’t seem to me that it’s any more rational and in tune with its people, if anything I’d say it was worse but that’s just imho  |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
I think it is very much a “read the room” situation…. And they haven’t in this case at all!
If everyone else is getting a squeeze in their wages come April.. and you barely gave those in the public sector and on the front line an increase, I don’t think you can justify giving yourselves a wage rise at this point in time. |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"I think it is very much a “read the room” situation…. And they haven’t in this case at all!
If everyone else is getting a squeeze in their wages come April.. and you barely gave those in the public sector and on the front line an increase, I don’t think you can justify giving yourselves a wage rise at this point in time."
The optics are very bad. What did all those NHS workers on the frontline of Covid get? I seem to recall some vouchers (may not remember that right but it was insulting). |
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"MPs haven’t been paid enough for years.
There pay may seem a lot to most people but the pay rates of the top jobs about are many times higher than many of us earn …. MPs pay has to compete….. pay peanuts get monkeys "
That's not entirely true. The electorate choose the monkeys and a lot of the monkeys are very well paid already - quite a lot of them even keep their jobs, on the side.
The suggestion that paying them more would give us better politics is just ridiculous.
The only thing that will do that is scrapping FPTP in favour of PR - which has already been rejected by UK voters once already.
So, the system is fucked - but that's the way most of us want it; and bitching about MPs pay, either way, isn't going to change anything. |
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"I think it is very much a “read the room” situation…. And they haven’t in this case at all!
If everyone else is getting a squeeze in their wages come April.. and you barely gave those in the public sector and on the front line an increase, I don’t think you can justify giving yourselves a wage rise at this point in time.
The optics are very bad. What did all those NHS workers on the frontline of Covid get? I seem to recall some vouchers (may not remember that right but it was insulting)."
3% last year and 3% this year for NHS |
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"I think it is very much a “read the room” situation…. And they haven’t in this case at all!
If everyone else is getting a squeeze in their wages come April.. and you barely gave those in the public sector and on the front line an increase, I don’t think you can justify giving yourselves a wage rise at this point in time.
The optics are very bad. What did all those NHS workers on the frontline of Covid get? I seem to recall some vouchers (may not remember that right but it was insulting).
3% last year and 3% this year for NHS "
I genuinely cannot believe the majority of the comments. Pay them more? I'm aghast |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
Terra Firma |
"I think it is very much a “read the room” situation…. And they haven’t in this case at all!
If everyone else is getting a squeeze in their wages come April.. and you barely gave those in the public sector and on the front line an increase, I don’t think you can justify giving yourselves a wage rise at this point in time.
The optics are very bad. What did all those NHS workers on the frontline of Covid get? I seem to recall some vouchers (may not remember that right but it was insulting).
3% last year and 3% this year for NHS
I genuinely cannot believe the majority of the comments. Pay them more? I'm aghast "
I don't think MP's should be capped or denied a pay rise because they are MP's, or denied a pay rise because another job role hasn't had a rise.
It is not a job anyone can do, or wants to do, which changes the pay and reward structure.
This might sound a little harsh to people who believe they work harder than MP's or have roles that are more important, and I don't say it with any disrespect towards anyones chosen professions, MP's are people in jobs like everyone else. |
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"I think it is very much a “read the room” situation…. And they haven’t in this case at all!
If everyone else is getting a squeeze in their wages come April.. and you barely gave those in the public sector and on the front line an increase, I don’t think you can justify giving yourselves a wage rise at this point in time.
The optics are very bad. What did all those NHS workers on the frontline of Covid get? I seem to recall some vouchers (may not remember that right but it was insulting).
3% last year and 3% this year for NHS
I genuinely cannot believe the majority of the comments. Pay them more? I'm aghast
I don't think MP's should be capped or denied a pay rise because they are MP's, or denied a pay rise because another job role hasn't had a rise.
It is not a job anyone can do, or wants to do, which changes the pay and reward structure.
This might sound a little harsh to people who believe they work harder than MP's or have roles that are more important, and I don't say it with any disrespect towards anyones chosen professions, MP's are people in jobs like everyone else."
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
Terra Firma |
"I think it is very much a “read the room” situation…. And they haven’t in this case at all!
If everyone else is getting a squeeze in their wages come April.. and you barely gave those in the public sector and on the front line an increase, I don’t think you can justify giving yourselves a wage rise at this point in time.
The optics are very bad. What did all those NHS workers on the frontline of Covid get? I seem to recall some vouchers (may not remember that right but it was insulting).
3% last year and 3% this year for NHS
I genuinely cannot believe the majority of the comments. Pay them more? I'm aghast
I don't think MP's should be capped or denied a pay rise because they are MP's, or denied a pay rise because another job role hasn't had a rise.
It is not a job anyone can do, or wants to do, which changes the pay and reward structure.
This might sound a little harsh to people who believe they work harder than MP's or have roles that are more important, and I don't say it with any disrespect towards anyones chosen professions, MP's are people in jobs like everyone else.
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"I think it is very much a “read the room” situation…. And they haven’t in this case at all!
If everyone else is getting a squeeze in their wages come April.. and you barely gave those in the public sector and on the front line an increase, I don’t think you can justify giving yourselves a wage rise at this point in time.
The optics are very bad. What did all those NHS workers on the frontline of Covid get? I seem to recall some vouchers (may not remember that right but it was insulting).
3% last year and 3% this year for NHS
I genuinely cannot believe the majority of the comments. Pay them more? I'm aghast
I don't think MP's should be capped or denied a pay rise because they are MP's, or denied a pay rise because another job role hasn't had a rise.
It is not a job anyone can do, or wants to do, which changes the pay and reward structure.
This might sound a little harsh to people who believe they work harder than MP's or have roles that are more important, and I don't say it with any disrespect towards anyones chosen professions, MP's are people in jobs like everyone else.
What is your main issue with MP's having a pay rise?"
Seriously? If I have to justify my concerns there's something wrong. I suggest you apply performance to recognition targets |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
Terra Firma |
"I think it is very much a “read the room” situation…. And they haven’t in this case at all!
If everyone else is getting a squeeze in their wages come April.. and you barely gave those in the public sector and on the front line an increase, I don’t think you can justify giving yourselves a wage rise at this point in time.
The optics are very bad. What did all those NHS workers on the frontline of Covid get? I seem to recall some vouchers (may not remember that right but it was insulting).
3% last year and 3% this year for NHS
I genuinely cannot believe the majority of the comments. Pay them more? I'm aghast
I don't think MP's should be capped or denied a pay rise because they are MP's, or denied a pay rise because another job role hasn't had a rise.
It is not a job anyone can do, or wants to do, which changes the pay and reward structure.
This might sound a little harsh to people who believe they work harder than MP's or have roles that are more important, and I don't say it with any disrespect towards anyones chosen professions, MP's are people in jobs like everyone else.
What is your main issue with MP's having a pay rise?
Seriously? If I have to justify my concerns there's something wrong. I suggest you apply performance to recognition targets"
Yes, give me your view on why MP's should not have a pay rise, it could change my mind, I can do that if I accept I hadn't realised all of the facts |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The whole system needs a total revamp. IMHO the MPs should all get a massive pay rise...
BUT be forbidden from having 2nd, 3rd jobs or consultancy positions. They should also not be allowed to join any company in any capacity for 5 years after leaving politics IF that company was operating in a field that the MP had some involvement with (ie lobbying for the downstream reward).
Also dramatically revamp allowable expenses and build an MP hotel in Westminster to avoid need for “2nd homes”."
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"I think it is very much a “read the room” situation…. And they haven’t in this case at all!
If everyone else is getting a squeeze in their wages come April.. and you barely gave those in the public sector and on the front line an increase, I don’t think you can justify giving yourselves a wage rise at this point in time.
The optics are very bad. What did all those NHS workers on the frontline of Covid get? I seem to recall some vouchers (may not remember that right but it was insulting).
3% last year and 3% this year for NHS
I genuinely cannot believe the majority of the comments. Pay them more? I'm aghast
I don't think MP's should be capped or denied a pay rise because they are MP's, or denied a pay rise because another job role hasn't had a rise.
It is not a job anyone can do, or wants to do, which changes the pay and reward structure.
This might sound a little harsh to people who believe they work harder than MP's or have roles that are more important, and I don't say it with any disrespect towards anyones chosen professions, MP's are people in jobs like everyone else.
What is your main issue with MP's having a pay rise?
Seriously? If I have to justify my concerns there's something wrong. I suggest you apply performance to recognition targets
Yes, give me your view on why MP's should not have a pay rise, it could change my mind, I can do that if I accept I hadn't realised all of the facts "
What does your mp deliver? Actually, forget that. If you wish to believe something like that, go ahead. I disagree. Wholeheartedly. But I'm not getting involved further. |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
Terra Firma |
"I think it is very much a “read the room” situation…. And they haven’t in this case at all!
If everyone else is getting a squeeze in their wages come April.. and you barely gave those in the public sector and on the front line an increase, I don’t think you can justify giving yourselves a wage rise at this point in time.
The optics are very bad. What did all those NHS workers on the frontline of Covid get? I seem to recall some vouchers (may not remember that right but it was insulting).
3% last year and 3% this year for NHS
I genuinely cannot believe the majority of the comments. Pay them more? I'm aghast
I don't think MP's should be capped or denied a pay rise because they are MP's, or denied a pay rise because another job role hasn't had a rise.
It is not a job anyone can do, or wants to do, which changes the pay and reward structure.
This might sound a little harsh to people who believe they work harder than MP's or have roles that are more important, and I don't say it with any disrespect towards anyones chosen professions, MP's are people in jobs like everyone else.
What is your main issue with MP's having a pay rise?
Seriously? If I have to justify my concerns there's something wrong. I suggest you apply performance to recognition targets
Yes, give me your view on why MP's should not have a pay rise, it could change my mind, I can do that if I accept I hadn't realised all of the facts
What does your mp deliver? Actually, forget that. If you wish to believe something like that, go ahead. I disagree. Wholeheartedly. But I'm not getting involved further."
I'm rather disappointed that you wont provide your view on the reasons MP's should not be given a pay rise. I was looking forward to a good debate and hoping to learn something. There is always the next time.. |
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
milton keynes |
"MPs haven’t been paid enough for years.
There pay may seem a lot to most people but the pay rates of the top jobs about are many times higher than many of us earn …. MPs pay has to compete….. pay peanuts get monkeys
That's not entirely true. The electorate choose the monkeys and a lot of the monkeys are very well paid already - quite a lot of them even keep their jobs, on the side.
The suggestion that paying them more would give us better politics is just ridiculous.
The only thing that will do that is scrapping FPTP in favour of PR - which has already been rejected by UK voters once already.
So, the system is fucked - but that's the way most of us want it; and bitching about MPs pay, either way, isn't going to change anything."
When did the voters reject PR? Was it part of a GE or separate referendum? |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
"MPs haven’t been paid enough for years.
There pay may seem a lot to most people but the pay rates of the top jobs about are many times higher than many of us earn …. MPs pay has to compete….. pay peanuts get monkeys
That's not entirely true. The electorate choose the monkeys and a lot of the monkeys are very well paid already - quite a lot of them even keep their jobs, on the side.
The suggestion that paying them more would give us better politics is just ridiculous.
The only thing that will do that is scrapping FPTP in favour of PR - which has already been rejected by UK voters once already.
So, the system is fucked - but that's the way most of us want it; and bitching about MPs pay, either way, isn't going to change anything.
When did the voters reject PR? Was it part of a GE or separate referendum?"
May 2011, in a referendum.
6 million people wanted to change. |
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
milton keynes |
"MPs haven’t been paid enough for years.
There pay may seem a lot to most people but the pay rates of the top jobs about are many times higher than many of us earn …. MPs pay has to compete….. pay peanuts get monkeys
That's not entirely true. The electorate choose the monkeys and a lot of the monkeys are very well paid already - quite a lot of them even keep their jobs, on the side.
The suggestion that paying them more would give us better politics is just ridiculous.
The only thing that will do that is scrapping FPTP in favour of PR - which has already been rejected by UK voters once already.
So, the system is fucked - but that's the way most of us want it; and bitching about MPs pay, either way, isn't going to change anything.
When did the voters reject PR? Was it part of a GE or separate referendum?
May 2011, in a referendum.
6 million people wanted to change. "
A referendum then, so a fair way to do it. I do not think it was a vote on PR though. |
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"I think it is very much a “read the room” situation…. And they haven’t in this case at all!
If everyone else is getting a squeeze in their wages come April.. and you barely gave those in the public sector and on the front line an increase, I don’t think you can justify giving yourselves a wage rise at this point in time.
The optics are very bad. What did all those NHS workers on the frontline of Covid get? I seem to recall some vouchers (may not remember that right but it was insulting).
3% last year and 3% this year for NHS
I genuinely cannot believe the majority of the comments. Pay them more? I'm aghast
I don't think MP's should be capped or denied a pay rise because they are MP's, or denied a pay rise because another job role hasn't had a rise.
It is not a job anyone can do, or wants to do, which changes the pay and reward structure.
This might sound a little harsh to people who believe they work harder than MP's or have roles that are more important, and I don't say it with any disrespect towards anyones chosen professions, MP's are people in jobs like everyone else.
What is your main issue with MP's having a pay rise?
Seriously? If I have to justify my concerns there's something wrong. I suggest you apply performance to recognition targets
Yes, give me your view on why MP's should not have a pay rise, it could change my mind, I can do that if I accept I hadn't realised all of the facts
What does your mp deliver? Actually, forget that. If you wish to believe something like that, go ahead. I disagree. Wholeheartedly. But I'm not getting involved further."
I literally have no idea what your concern is - other than you are aghast. I really like the word aghast but it doesn’t really give me any indication as to what is wrong. |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
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"We have 650 of the fuckers. Far too many!
For the size of the country far to many even the USA don't have that many and just look at the size of it"
Would that indicate people are better represented, if not how would we benefit with fewer MP's? |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"I think it is very much a “read the room” situation…. And they haven’t in this case at all!
If everyone else is getting a squeeze in their wages come April.. and you barely gave those in the public sector and on the front line an increase, I don’t think you can justify giving yourselves a wage rise at this point in time.
The optics are very bad. What did all those NHS workers on the frontline of Covid get? I seem to recall some vouchers (may not remember that right but it was insulting).
3% last year and 3% this year for NHS
I genuinely cannot believe the majority of the comments. Pay them more? I'm aghast "
I am one of those but the pay rise comes with dramatic changes on all other perks and second/third income etc. They should be well paid but have 100% focus. |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"The whole system needs a total revamp. IMHO the MPs should all get a massive pay rise...
BUT be forbidden from having 2nd, 3rd jobs or consultancy positions. They should also not be allowed to join any company in any capacity for 5 years after leaving politics IF that company was operating in a field that the MP had some involvement with (ie lobbying for the downstream reward).
Also dramatically revamp allowable expenses and build an MP hotel in Westminster to avoid need for “2nd homes”."
I agree with all of this and have posted as much in the past. What I would add is each constituency has an admin office with civil servants doing the MPs admin work so no nepotism jobs. Each MP gets the same staff. This will result in more experienced capable staff too. |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"The whole system needs a total revamp. IMHO the MPs should all get a massive pay rise...
BUT be forbidden from having 2nd, 3rd jobs or consultancy positions. They should also not be allowed to join any company in any capacity for 5 years after leaving politics IF that company was operating in a field that the MP had some involvement with (ie lobbying for the downstream reward).
Also dramatically revamp allowable expenses and build an MP hotel in Westminster to avoid need for “2nd homes”.
I agree with all of this and have posted as much in the past. What I would add is each constituency has an admin office with civil servants doing the MPs admin work so no nepotism jobs. Each MP gets the same staff. This will result in more experienced capable staff too. "
Never thought of that one but yes spot on. Great idea! |
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"The whole system needs a total revamp. IMHO the MPs should all get a massive pay rise...
BUT be forbidden from having 2nd, 3rd jobs or consultancy positions. They should also not be allowed to join any company in any capacity for 5 years after leaving politics IF that company was operating in a field that the MP had some involvement with (ie lobbying for the downstream reward).
Also dramatically revamp allowable expenses and build an MP hotel in Westminster to avoid need for “2nd homes”.
I agree with all of this and have posted as much in the past. What I would add is each constituency has an admin office with civil servants doing the MPs admin work so no nepotism jobs. Each MP gets the same staff. This will result in more experienced capable staff too. "
That would sort it out, but you will have them kicking and screaming to get them to agree to it and we don't make the rules do we. |
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"The whole system needs a total revamp. IMHO the MPs should all get a massive pay rise...
BUT be forbidden from having 2nd, 3rd jobs or consultancy positions. They should also not be allowed to join any company in any capacity for 5 years after leaving politics IF that company was operating in a field that the MP had some involvement with (ie lobbying for the downstream reward).
Also dramatically revamp allowable expenses and build an MP hotel in Westminster to avoid need for “2nd homes”.
I agree with all of this and have posted as much in the past. What I would add is each constituency has an admin office with civil servants doing the MPs admin work so no nepotism jobs. Each MP gets the same staff. This will result in more experienced capable staff too. "
I think this is an excellent idea. |
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By *bernathCouple
over a year ago
Gloucestershire |
"Cuts all over the place yet another other £2k for the poor cherubs
Thoroughly deserved I'm sure "
I am sure they are going to be taxed just like us, which is going to be evaporated when the 1.25% percentage point increase is happening. So technically they might be on the same pay, they have increased to cover the tax rise, I wish we could have the same luxury.
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