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By *orny PTMan
over a year ago
Peterborough |
100 seconds to midnight.
That's according to the Doomsday Clock. The official counting metaphor to describe the worst case scenario. Nuclear disaster or war. 
The countdown was established in 1947 by experts at the bulletin who were working on the Manhattan Project to design and build the first atomic bomb.
It started at seven minutes to midnight but the outlook has got worse in recent years.
The closer the time to midnight, the closer the world is considered to be to catastrophe.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"100 seconds to midnight.
That's according to the Doomsday Clock. The official counting metaphor to describe the worst case scenario. Nuclear disaster or war.
The countdown was established in 1947 by experts at the bulletin who were working on the Manhattan Project to design and build the first atomic bomb.
It started at seven minutes to midnight but the outlook has got worse in recent years.
The closer the time to midnight, the closer the world is considered to be to catastrophe.
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Yes but it was far from that the two times the world actually got close to world war three.Apparently it was peaceful the time hundreds of nuclear weapons were almost launched.
The Manhattan project included lots of soviet sympathisers who wanted to blame Western “Aggression” so bear that in mind
Its very very unlikely to ever happen. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Honestly?
We'll be just fine for a plethora of reasons.
And frankly, if there were nuclear barrages all over the planet I'm not sure I'd want to handle that mess.
So all is good.  |
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Dangerously close. As in I don’t think we’ve ever been this close before. Putin is currently lobbying China for weapon support, and is hitting airbases used for NATO drills inside Ukraine now but a stones throw from Poland. If he succeeds in getting China on side, I worry at how emboldened he will feel. I’m not saying definitely nuclear, but it will be war I think. Let’s hope it’s not nuclear, as to quote Sarah Connor, anyone not wearing 2 million sunblock is gonna have a real bad day |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Dangerously close. As in I don’t think we’ve ever been this close before. Putin is currently lobbying China for weapon support, and is hitting airbases used for NATO drills inside Ukraine now but a stones throw from Poland. If he succeeds in getting China on side, I worry at how emboldened he will feel. I’m not saying definitely nuclear, but it will be war I think. Let’s hope it’s not nuclear, as to quote Sarah Connor, anyone not wearing 2 million sunblock is gonna have a real bad day"
China has spoken they're not in favour of the war. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Dangerously close. As in I don’t think we’ve ever been this close before. Putin is currently lobbying China for weapon support, and is hitting airbases used for NATO drills inside Ukraine now but a stones throw from Poland. If he succeeds in getting China on side, I worry at how emboldened he will feel. I’m not saying definitely nuclear, but it will be war I think. Let’s hope it’s not nuclear, as to quote Sarah Connor, anyone not wearing 2 million sunblock is gonna have a real bad day"
There is absolutely 0 chance China will join in.
Everyone has a bullseye on their head if it goes nuclear- China just want to get rich and prosper like everyone else. North Korea are more likely, but China has control of that too.
Absolutely no chance. |
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By *ad NannaWoman
over a year ago
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"Dangerously close. As in I don’t think we’ve ever been this close before. Putin is currently lobbying China for weapon support, and is hitting airbases used for NATO drills inside Ukraine now but a stones throw from Poland. If he succeeds in getting China on side, I worry at how emboldened he will feel. I’m not saying definitely nuclear, but it will be war I think. Let’s hope it’s not nuclear, as to quote Sarah Connor, anyone not wearing 2 million sunblock is gonna have a real bad day
China has spoken they're not in favour of the war."
They're more interested in keeping the trade flowing.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Probably a really stupid question  but … if there was nuclear war, would the powers that be actually survive it? Do they have special underground shelters? Or would everything and everyone be totally screwed?
I just don’t understand why it would ever be contemplated. Like, what could there possibly be in it for anyone? |
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"A couple of weeks ago i would say no chance.
However, the ego of Putin and his mental state god knows now!!!"
I'll add to this by saying how bizarre my life is right now that I've been having more meaningful conversations about the state of the World with people who have their penis as an avatar, than I am with my housemates.
Not knocking it, it just seems a bit surreal! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Russia is running out of soldier and supplies. For all we know their nukes may be hardly operational as well considering how poorly they're prepared for this war.
Their population is at a steady decline since WW1 as well I believe.
So majority of the young people are against current government while the old generation are on their last legs.
This is basically Putin being desperate over Crude oil resources found in Ukraine that would be a direct competitor to Russia and it's steady decline in population as a direct cause of the 2 world wars. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Probably a really stupid question but … if there was nuclear war, would the powers that be actually survive it? Do they have special underground shelters? Or would everything and everyone be totally screwed?
I just don’t understand why it would ever be contemplated. Like, what could there possibly be in it for anyone?"
Yes all the major powers(Even us) have shelters in place Especially Russia and the US from what I gather but most of the populace is screwed.
Who benefits from any war honestly the problem is that we tend to fantasise about it as some heroic endeavour rather than the systematic termination of human life. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Probably a really stupid question but … if there was nuclear war, would the powers that be actually survive it? Do they have special underground shelters? Or would everything and everyone be totally screwed?
I just don’t understand why it would ever be contemplated. Like, what could there possibly be in it for anyone?"
as ever its the people who suffer not the leaders |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Bunkers exist, but it would be a shitty existence for a long time living on rations. The world economy is so global that anything huge will basically destroy every industry though, so it would be a pointless existence. Hope you can grow spuds, because we’ll all be digging the garden up frankly |
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"Dangerously close. As in I don’t think we’ve ever been this close before. Putin is currently lobbying China for weapon support, and is hitting airbases used for NATO drills inside Ukraine now but a stones throw from Poland. If he succeeds in getting China on side, I worry at how emboldened he will feel. I’m not saying definitely nuclear, but it will be war I think. Let’s hope it’s not nuclear, as to quote Sarah Connor, anyone not wearing 2 million sunblock is gonna have a real bad day
China has spoken they're not in favour of the war."
China has chosen its words very careful actually... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"A couple of weeks ago i would say no chance.
However, the ego of Putin and his mental state god knows now!!!"
i heard someone say he had a terminal illness if that is the case all bets are off |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Probably a really stupid question but … if there was nuclear war, would the powers that be actually survive it? Do they have special underground shelters? Or would everything and everyone be totally screwed?
I just don’t understand why it would ever be contemplated. Like, what could there possibly be in it for anyone?"
I'm sure some have bunkers.
Think is, collectively, there are enough nukes on the planet to pretty much decimate most cities.
An Intercontinental Ballistic Missile can travel from anywhere in Russia to the UK in under 15-20 minutes... that's not much time to travel to a bunker.
There are around 13,000 nukes on the planet. Detonating one would be a chain reaction for most. It would be over in 15 minutes tbh.  |
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By *ad NannaWoman
over a year ago
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"Probably a really stupid question but … if there was nuclear war, would the powers that be actually survive it? Do they have special underground shelters? Or would everything and everyone be totally screwed?
I just don’t understand why it would ever be contemplated. Like, what could there possibly be in it for anyone?
I'm sure some have bunkers.
Think is, collectively, there are enough nukes on the planet to pretty much decimate most cities.
An Intercontinental Ballistic Missile can travel from anywhere in Russia to the UK in under 15-20 minutes... that's not much time to travel to a bunker.
There are around 13,000 nukes on the planet. Detonating one would be a chain reaction for most. It would be over in 15 minutes tbh. "
Imagine only the rich and powerful surving. Do you think they take servants with them? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Probably a really stupid question but … if there was nuclear war, would the powers that be actually survive it? Do they have special underground shelters? Or would everything and everyone be totally screwed?
I just don’t understand why it would ever be contemplated. Like, what could there possibly be in it for anyone?
I'm sure some have bunkers.
Think is, collectively, there are enough nukes on the planet to pretty much decimate most cities.
An Intercontinental Ballistic Missile can travel from anywhere in Russia to the UK in under 15-20 minutes... that's not much time to travel to a bunker.
There are around 13,000 nukes on the planet. Detonating one would be a chain reaction for most. It would be over in 15 minutes tbh.
Imagine only the rich and powerful surving. Do you think they take servants with them?"
I'm more concerned about how many times I could pull myself off in those precious 15 minutes. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Probably a really stupid question but … if there was nuclear war, would the powers that be actually survive it? Do they have special underground shelters? Or would everything and everyone be totally screwed?
I just don’t understand why it would ever be contemplated. Like, what could there possibly be in it for anyone?
I'm sure some have bunkers.
Think is, collectively, there are enough nukes on the planet to pretty much decimate most cities.
An Intercontinental Ballistic Missile can travel from anywhere in Russia to the UK in under 15-20 minutes... that's not much time to travel to a bunker.
There are around 13,000 nukes on the planet. Detonating one would be a chain reaction for most. It would be over in 15 minutes tbh.
Imagine only the rich and powerful surving. Do you think they take servants with them?
I'm more concerned about how many times I could pull myself off in those precious 15 minutes."
That really would be the saddest group wank in human history  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Right think he's a nut job with lots of ill health so do the maths hopefully he do the right thing but I he do not care of Human life but let's hope he come yo his senses and eternal the world be Amen x  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Probably a really stupid question but … if there was nuclear war, would the powers that be actually survive it? Do they have special underground shelters? Or would everything and everyone be totally screwed?
I just don’t understand why it would ever be contemplated. Like, what could there possibly be in it for anyone?
I'm sure some have bunkers.
Think is, collectively, there are enough nukes on the planet to pretty much decimate most cities.
An Intercontinental Ballistic Missile can travel from anywhere in Russia to the UK in under 15-20 minutes... that's not much time to travel to a bunker.
There are around 13,000 nukes on the planet. Detonating one would be a chain reaction for most. It would be over in 15 minutes tbh.
Imagine only the rich and powerful surving. Do you think they take servants with them?
I'm more concerned about how many times I could pull myself off in those precious 15 minutes.
That really would be the saddest group wank in human history "
I’ll sing if you want me too,Make every second feel like hours |
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By *ad NannaWoman
over a year ago
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"Probably a really stupid question but … if there was nuclear war, would the powers that be actually survive it? Do they have special underground shelters? Or would everything and everyone be totally screwed?
I just don’t understand why it would ever be contemplated. Like, what could there possibly be in it for anyone?
I'm sure some have bunkers.
Think is, collectively, there are enough nukes on the planet to pretty much decimate most cities.
An Intercontinental Ballistic Missile can travel from anywhere in Russia to the UK in under 15-20 minutes... that's not much time to travel to a bunker.
There are around 13,000 nukes on the planet. Detonating one would be a chain reaction for most. It would be over in 15 minutes tbh.
Imagine only the rich and powerful surving. Do you think they take servants with them?
I'm more concerned about how many times I could pull myself off in those precious 15 minutes."
With the porn you watch I'd say a few times. |
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Much is possible but, whilst we have a PM of a similar personality to Putin - thus I'd not expect to be cared about - we'd at least have some chance of global prevention. Probably unlikely, at the catastrophic level. We should have stayed in the EU. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Probably a really stupid question but … if there was nuclear war, would the powers that be actually survive it? Do they have special underground shelters? Or would everything and everyone be totally screwed?
I just don’t understand why it would ever be contemplated. Like, what could there possibly be in it for anyone?
I'm sure some have bunkers.
Think is, collectively, there are enough nukes on the planet to pretty much decimate most cities.
An Intercontinental Ballistic Missile can travel from anywhere in Russia to the UK in under 15-20 minutes... that's not much time to travel to a bunker.
There are around 13,000 nukes on the planet. Detonating one would be a chain reaction for most. It would be over in 15 minutes tbh.
Imagine only the rich and powerful surving. Do you think they take servants with them?
I'm more concerned about how many times I could pull myself off in those precious 15 minutes.
That really would be the saddest group wank in human history
I’ll sing if you want me too,Make every second feel like hours "
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Closer than when we were all getting jabbed to save us from covid. No jab yet for radiation poisoning."
it’s all gone very quiet with the covid passes glad they didn’t sack the doctors and nurses that were wise enough to stand up against it x hero’s
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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"How close do you think we are of world war three? folk I'm opening this now to see what folk have to say"
The longer the war in Ukraine goes on, the closer we will get.
It starts with humanitarian aid, then it creeps to defensive weapons support, then offensive weapons support, then military vehicles (tanks, tracked combat vehicles and aircraft), then come the advisors and technical support staff. At some point a missile goes astray, or an aircraft gets shot down “accidentally” and so it goes on.
I actually think that we will end up in a conflict with Russia but I doubt that it will be a nuclear conflict. The only outcome of a nuclear conflict would be mutually assured destruction and I doubt that either side would be pressed to such a point as to use these weapons as a last option. |
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30 years ago, absolutely! But today? Russia doesn't have the "Red army" anymore. Just look at the losses they are taking in Ukraine over a few weeks.
All the nationistic stooges wearing "Z" t-shirts will change their tune when they're conscripted for the meat grinder.
Russia has seen lots of decline due to corruption. Money has been skimmed away over decades to feather people's nests and buy yaughts in all industires. This has affected their military who are using tanks with fake ERA modules made of cardboard and who are resorting to using civil trucks to ferry supplies.
They are using "dumb" bombs on planes as their guided ones cannot use the GPS sattelites anymore. The only real threat is the artillery to Ukraine. If Russia was in a ground war with NATO, it would be crushed.
As for nuclear weapons, none will ever be used as Putin's cronies don't want to destroy the world, and their wealth. |
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"Suddenly the appeal of living in New Zealand just increased!"
We were considering emmigrating there but it's far too expensive! Look into how much basic food costs there and good luck getting a mortgage. Canada would be a much better option we think. |
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By *x cplCouple
over a year ago
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Even if you had a shelter which wasn't targeted and managed to survive a full retaliatory nuclear war (where one side launches and the others fire back) would you want to..You could probably survive a max of 3 month underground only to emerge to a nuclear winter (due to the dust thrown into the outer atmosphere from nuclear explosions) where temperatures could of dropped to well below -50C in most of the northern hemisphere. Radiation levels so high that venturing out even in a high level protective suit would probably limit your time outside a bunker in seconds or minutes as opposed to hours or days. Any surviving life would probably be dying from exposure to radiation. Hopefully it never happens unless someone whose finger on a button has a desire to take the planet to an extinction level event.
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"30 years ago, absolutely! But today? Russia doesn't have the "Red army" anymore. Just look at the losses they are taking in Ukraine over a few weeks.
All the nationistic stooges wearing "Z" t-shirts will change their tune when they're conscripted for the meat grinder.
Russia has seen lots of decline due to corruption. Money has been skimmed away over decades to feather people's nests and buy yaughts in all industires. This has affected their military who are using tanks with fake ERA modules made of cardboard and who are resorting to using civil trucks to ferry supplies.
They are using "dumb" bombs on planes as their guided ones cannot use the GPS sattelites anymore. The only real threat is the artillery to Ukraine. If Russia was in a ground war with NATO, it would be crushed.
As for nuclear weapons, none will ever be used as Putin's cronies don't want to destroy the world, and their wealth."
Yes there is a lot of truth in that. Nuclear threat aside, the Russian military isn't quite as scary as it used to be.
Yes they (allegedly) have the numbers but a lot of their kit is old Soviet era and a lot of it has been badly maintained or not maintained at all.
The other big problem they have is their reliance on tanks. Tanks were never designed to fight in urban areas. They are fine in open country and can smash through small towns and villages but put them in a city surrounded by 10 or more storey buildings and they are vulnerable and are far too easily picked off with shoulder launched missiles. As the Ukrainians have proved.
At some point the Russians are going to have to get their boots dirty, as did the Red Army in Berlin 77 years ago.
Then the question of motivation and morale comes into play.
Teenage conscripts fighting a war they had very little preparation for versus a well armed militia fighting for its homeland. Meat grinder is a good description.
As for WW3 it could go a lot of ways.
In a perfect world someone would put a bullet into Putin's head and it will all stop tomorrow. I don't see that happening just yet.
Both sides could get around the table and negotiate something, but they would have to give Putin some kind of face saver. Deep down he probably knows he's bitten off more than he can chew and at this point could be looking for a way out.
Maybe if Ukraine ended the dispute over Crimea and agreed to give up Donbass Putin may be willing to take it and walk away with his head high. Neither region will ever be governable by Ukraine so why not cut their losses and walk away. Although Putin would have to give some serious concessions as well.
If it carries on then the danger will always be escalation either by accident or design.
We've already seen the Russians hit a base only 12 miles from the Polish border. What if one or two of those 30 cruise missiles had gone off course and actually hit Poland? Where would that leave NATO? Or, as Russia has already threatened, they deliberately attack supply's going to Ukraine on Polish territory?
All are possible scenarios.
I think the risk of Putin opening up another front in the Baltic states or elsewhere has diminished from where it was a couple of weeks ago. The Russian military has been humiliated in Ukraine and they are already asking the Chinese to supply arms. Which tells me that they are losing more kit than they can replace.
I just don't think they are capable of starting another fight. And even if Ukraine stopped tomorrow it will take some considerable time for them to regroup and re-equip before they head off on another adventure.
Hopefully someone would have taken my first option by then.
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
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"Suddenly the appeal of living in New Zealand just increased!
We were considering emmigrating there but it's far too expensive! Look into how much basic food costs there and good luck getting a mortgage. Canada would be a much better option we think."
True, I was more thinking about where in the world was least likely to be nuked! |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"Suddenly the appeal of living in New Zealand just increased!
We were considering emmigrating there but it's far too expensive! Look into how much basic food costs there and good luck getting a mortgage. Canada would be a much better option we think.
True, I was more thinking about where in the world was least likely to be nuked!"
you're better off being under one and get it over quickly than living with the aftermath of a nuclear war. |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
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"Suddenly the appeal of living in New Zealand just increased!
We were considering emmigrating there but it's far too expensive! Look into how much basic food costs there and good luck getting a mortgage. Canada would be a much better option we think.
True, I was more thinking about where in the world was least likely to be nuked!you're better off being under one and get it over quickly than living with the aftermath of a nuclear war. "
Yeah true enough. Bugger all left to make life worthwhile. |
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China want rid of the burden that is Russia.
Putin has lost the war for Ukraine they will never win.
Even if they put someone in charge the people will not just sit there and take it.
The worry is what extremes will Putin go to,too save face.
And even if he launched an attack he's still going to lose.
I just pray that this can end before THE END.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"China want rid of the burden that is Russia.
Putin has lost the war for Ukraine they will never win.
Even if they put someone in charge the people will not just sit there and take it.
The worry is what extremes will Putin go to,too save face.
And even if he launched an attack he's still going to lose.
I just pray that this can end before THE END.
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I'm hoping that China can talk him out of doing anything really stupid.
I can see him obliterating Ukraine before he puts his dummy back in though. And likely over borders to piss NATO off and make them fight back. Big baby. |
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"China want rid of the burden that is Russia.
Putin has lost the war for Ukraine they will never win.
Even if they put someone in charge the people will not just sit there and take it.
The worry is what extremes will Putin go to,too save face.
And even if he launched an attack he's still going to lose.
I just pray that this can end before THE END.
I'm hoping that China can talk him out of doing anything really stupid.
I can see him obliterating Ukraine before he puts his dummy back in though. And likely over borders to piss NATO off and make them fight back. Big baby. "
If he had any honour he would admit he fucked up and fall on his sword.
Sadly I don't think honour is in his vocabulary. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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My guess is that china will want to be seen to be the ones that end this war to enhance their perceived standing in the world.I expect they will eventually broker a deal now they have seen how much of the world are going against him.It has been a good gauge for them to see the reaction and may well deter them from invading Taiwan. |
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"China hold a lot of cards here right? I wonder which is more valuable to them, access the Russian oil and gas or access to “western” consumers?"
They can buy oil and gas from lots of different places. So the Russians can be replaced.
Once western consumers are gone, they are gone.
Maybe China should focus on that for a moment.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Probably a really stupid question but … if there was nuclear war, would the powers that be actually survive it? Do they have special underground shelters? Or would everything and everyone be totally screwed?
I just don’t understand why it would ever be contemplated. Like, what could there possibly be in it for anyone?"
There are plenty in power across the world and the rich in private sector who have access to bunkers and other long term survival environments.
Two caveats:
These things have not been tested in the real world (obviously)
Those with access need to be able to get to their safe havens in time. Not an easy task at v short notice.
So no guarantees even if you have a bunker.
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I'd say about 5 weeks .. maybe less . With HMS queen elizabeth returning to British waters I'd have to say that's A big give away.. I don't know what the archduke Franz Ferdinand moment will be but I'm pretty certain an attack into Taiwan will be coming soon, with the amount of foreign fighters joining Ukraine an foreign media there dying it will not be long before NATO countries are forced to get involved ..missiles landing near polish border is a pretext ..but not large enough to spark a NATO response .. I think China will incase Taiwan sparking as US reaction the likes of which the world had never seen before . Pakistan will retaliate towards Indian mistakes . Iran will invade Iraq again ..and EU nato will be forced to defend Poland/Bulgaria/Croatia/Moldova from russian aggression...this can all be averted ... Somebody needs to take a potshot at Putin . And fast. |
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"Suddenly the appeal of living in New Zealand just increased!
We were considering emmigrating there but it's far too expensive! Look into how much basic food costs there and good luck getting a mortgage. Canada would be a much better option we think.
True, I was more thinking about where in the world was least likely to be nuked!you're better off being under one and get it over quickly than living with the aftermath of a nuclear war.
Yeah true enough. Bugger all left to make life worthwhile. "
Indeed. Way back, in the Cold War, I was in the ROC. Trust me, going instantly is your best bet. |
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"Suddenly the appeal of living in New Zealand just increased!
We were considering emmigrating there but it's far too expensive! Look into how much basic food costs there and good luck getting a mortgage. Canada would be a much better option we think.
True, I was more thinking about where in the world was least likely to be nuked!you're better off being under one and get it over quickly than living with the aftermath of a nuclear war.
Yeah true enough. Bugger all left to make life worthwhile.
Indeed. Way back, in the Cold War, I was in the ROC. Trust me, going instantly is your best bet."
The closer to the south pole you can get gives you the best chance, as the entire northern hemisphere would be fucked. But even that's not going to totally escape from fallout, so it's cancers, mutagenic effects, a constant sub zeroe atmosphere with little daylight so your crops won't grow.
As has been said. Best to have the bomb go off directly over your head. |
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By *rFunBoyMan
over a year ago
Longridge |
I'd be more worried that Russia isn't the Red Army backed superpower it used to be and assume we're safer..
Having a weaker army, surely would lead more quickly into desperation than fight it out?
The claimed reason for the two over Japan was "to save lives" |
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It's not going to happen. Everyone knows the consequences of nuclear war and no one will go there.
There will likely be some behind the scenes horse trading over oil and minerals and we'll all quietly leave Ukraine to the Russians whilst tutting loudly.
I'm marginally more concerned about a nuclear power plant accident as a consequence of the invasion but that's another matter. |
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By *coptoCouple
over a year ago
Côte d'Azur & Great Yarmouth |
"the entire northern hemisphere would be fucked"
And if that WERE to happen (it ain't, by the way), what do you think the southern hemisphere would do in the ensuing chaos?
North Americans would be over-run and slaughtered by South Americans, Europeans by Africans, Russians by the "Stans", Northern Chinese by Southern Chinese, Japanese by Indonesians... |
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""the entire northern hemisphere would be fucked"
And if that WERE to happen (it ain't, by the way), what do you think the southern hemisphere would do in the ensuing chaos?
North Americans would be over-run and slaughtered by South Americans, Europeans by Africans, Russians by the "Stans", Northern Chinese by Southern Chinese, Japanese by Indonesians..."
I'm pretty sure the southern hemisphere would be staying well away from the radioactive wasteland in the North. They'd also have their own problems. |
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""the entire northern hemisphere would be fucked"
And if that WERE to happen (it ain't, by the way), what do you think the southern hemisphere would do in the ensuing chaos?
North Americans would be over-run and slaughtered by South Americans, Europeans by Africans, Russians by the "Stans", Northern Chinese by Southern Chinese, Japanese by Indonesians...
I'm pretty sure the southern hemisphere would be staying well away from the radioactive wasteland in the North. They'd also have their own problems. "
I thought my post made that obvious as well. |
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That's the point, it's supposed to be unwinnable so acts as deterrence to the other side doing something stupid. However, it assumes both sides act rationally and that there is not an accident or misjudge ment which triggers the whole thing. It also doesn't work if the other side think you would not retaliate. |
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Few years ago there was a bunker for sale, not sure of the cost but it was in Ireland somewhere. It got a mention on GMTV.
Not sure how good they would be now though, think of the asbestos in them. Die of radiation poisoning, or asbestosis, either way you are fucked. |
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