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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"Why is this government pissing about FFS?!
Is this piss poor Patel's job?
It looks shameful compared to other countries"
Because it would set a precedent to do something positive for other refugees.
Unacceptable to this government and a segment of its supporters.
Anyway, according to you we shouldn't do anything to antagonise Putin should we? Surely helping Ukrainians further would do just that. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Why is this government pissing about FFS?!
Is this piss poor Patel's job?
It looks shameful compared to other countries
Because it would set a precedent to do something positive for other refugees.
Unacceptable to this government and a segment of its supporters.
Anyway, according to you we shouldn't do anything to antagonise Putin should we? Surely helping Ukrainians further would do just that."
Well you were happy with NATO provoking Russia into invading the Ukraine at their expense. Happy now?
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
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"It's NATOs fault this war started and we should finish what we started, not Ponce about with handbags at 10 paces like some people on here."
Russia invade Ukraine and it's NATO's fault? How exactly?
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"It's NATOs fault this war started and we should finish what we started, not Ponce about with handbags at 10 paces like some people on here.
Russia invade Ukraine and it's NATO's fault? How exactly?
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In short , the Cuban missile crisis in reverse, plus tough talk from NATO saying they support Ukraine then when natov tough talk goading russiavgot Ukraine invaded NATO backs down and Ponce's about on the sidelines |
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
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"It's NATOs fault this war started and we should finish what we started, not Ponce about with handbags at 10 paces like some people on here.
Russia invade Ukraine and it's NATO's fault? How exactly?
In short , the Cuban missile crisis in reverse, plus tough talk from NATO saying they support Ukraine then when natov tough talk goading russiavgot Ukraine invaded NATO backs down and Ponce's about on the sidelines"
Not really. Ukraine was a democratic country with the free right to choose to join NATO or not just as the other 14 Nations have done since 1997.
NATO didn't back down because Ukraine isn't, yet, a member of NATO so there was no ability/reason figuratively or otherwise for NATO to back down from.
NON of this is NATO's Fault.
ALL of this is Russia's fault. |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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"Why is this government pissing about FFS?!
Is this piss poor Patel's job?
It looks shameful compared to other countries"
They are doing it exactly how their red meat toe rag supporters would want them to do it.
Keep the bloody foreigners out.
A regional paper posted a story on Facebook about a Ukranian woman who recently arrived and was offered a job in a Hairdressers as that is what she did at home.
The comments on the list were predictable and distasteful with at least 50% suggesting that she was queue jumping for a job / look after our own first etc etc
He whole thread got that unpleasant that the paper took it down after just a few hours. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"It's NATOs fault this war started and we should finish what we started, not Ponce about with handbags at 10 paces like some people on here.
Russia invade Ukraine and it's NATO's fault? How exactly?
In short , the Cuban missile crisis in reverse, plus tough talk from NATO saying they support Ukraine then when natov tough talk goading russiavgot Ukraine invaded NATO backs down and Ponce's about on the sidelines"
Not totally Nato's fault. Zelensky is to blame partially for believing any reassurances he was given by the west and pushing for Nato membership.
Russia has been saying for decades, Ukraine joining Nato was a red line for them. So if Putin did nothing it would have weakened him so badly that he would have toppled. I think Nato knew that and it was a calculated risk they took.
I think Nato are happy as long as the conflict is contained in Ukraine. The fact that no one is talking about getting around a negotiating table and all the talk is about supplying arms and the conflict lasting years, shows where the priorities lie.
Unfortunately its Ukrainian people that are paying for this tussle of power between the US and Putin. The country is going to take decades to recover and will be paying for reconstruction generations into the future. But for the families destroyed and love ones lost there we be no reconstruction. |
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
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UK aid and assistance so far . . .
'This package amounts to more than £100 million and has been designed in consultation with the Armed Forces of Ukraine to ensure that it meets their military needs. This builds on the £350 million of military aid and around £400m of economic and humanitarian support that the UK has already provided.'
The EU has given €35bn (£29.1bn) to Vladimir Putin for energy supplies since the start of his war and €1bn to fund Ukraine's defence, ...
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"Why is this government pissing about FFS?!
Is this piss poor Patel's job?
It looks shameful compared to other countries
They are doing it exactly how their red meat toe rag supporters would want them to do it.
Keep the bloody foreigners out.
A regional paper posted a story on Facebook about a Ukranian woman who recently arrived and was offered a job in a Hairdressers as that is what she did at home.
The comments on the list were predictable and distasteful with at least 50% suggesting that she was queue jumping for a job / look after our own first etc etc
He whole thread got that unpleasant that the paper took it down after just a few hours."
There are also a lot of reports of Ukrainian families being offered visas, except for one child. This means that the government can sat that they have granted many visas, but naturally families cannot take them up...
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/23/homes-for-ukraine-whistleblower-says-uk-refugee-scheme-is-designed-to-fail |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"It's NATOs fault this war started and we should finish what we started, not Ponce about with handbags at 10 paces like some people on here.
Russia invade Ukraine and it's NATO's fault? How exactly?
In short , the Cuban missile crisis in reverse, plus tough talk from NATO saying they support Ukraine then when natov tough talk goading russiavgot Ukraine invaded NATO backs down and Ponce's about on the sidelines
Not really. Ukraine was a democratic country with the free right to choose to join NATO or not just as the other 14 Nations have done since 1997.
NATO didn't back down because Ukraine isn't, yet, a member of NATO so there was no ability/reason figuratively or otherwise for NATO to back down from.
NON of this is NATO's Fault.
ALL of this is Russia's fault. "
I aportion it 60 40 % |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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If NATO had any balls they'd take responsibility for what they've started and militarily force russia out of the Ukraine. But seeing as they haven't we should at least have the decency to take in the refugees we caused, |
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke. |
"It's NATOs fault this war started and we should finish what we started, not Ponce about with handbags at 10 paces like some people on here.
Russia invade Ukraine and it's NATO's fault? How exactly?
In short , the Cuban missile crisis in reverse, plus tough talk from NATO saying they support Ukraine then when natov tough talk goading russiavgot Ukraine invaded NATO backs down and Ponce's about on the sidelines
Not really. Ukraine was a democratic country with the free right to choose to join NATO or not just as the other 14 Nations have done since 1997.
NATO didn't back down because Ukraine isn't, yet, a member of NATO so there was no ability/reason figuratively or otherwise for NATO to back down from.
NON of this is NATO's Fault.
ALL of this is Russia's fault.
I aportion it 60 40 %"
A sovereign nation is invaded by Russia. I apportion it 100% Russia's Fault.
Couldn't be anything else.
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"UK aid and assistance so far . . .
'This package amounts to more than £100 million and has been designed in consultation with the Armed Forces of Ukraine to ensure that it meets their military needs. This builds on the £350 million of military aid and around £400m of economic and humanitarian support that the UK has already provided.'
The EU has given €35bn (£29.1bn) to Vladimir Putin for energy supplies since the start of his war and €1bn to fund Ukraine's defence, ...
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By that same logic NATO has given Putin €35B for energy too!
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"UK aid and assistance so far . . .
'This package amounts to more than £100 million and has been designed in consultation with the Armed Forces of Ukraine to ensure that it meets their military needs. This builds on the £350 million of military aid and around £400m of economic and humanitarian support that the UK has already provided.'
The EU has given €35bn (£29.1bn) to Vladimir Putin for energy supplies since the start of his war and €1bn to fund Ukraine's defence, ...
By that same logic NATO has given Putin €35B for energy too!
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Not really nato does not buy it just countries that are members of it. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"If NATO had any balls they'd take responsibility for what they've started and militarily force russia out of the Ukraine. But seeing as they haven't we should at least have the decency to take in the refugees we caused, "
So NATO should not provoke Russia with a full military deployment in the Ukraine?
Russia has never had its borders violated by NATO. Neither have any of NATOs neighbors been invaded by NATO.
Russia has invaded Georgia and Chechnya and has been camped out in Ukraine for over eight years as well as Moldova.
However, NATO is 40% to blame for Russia's actions as it has been "provoked" into doing so? |
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"It's NATOs fault this war started and we should finish what we started, not Ponce about with handbags at 10 paces like some people on here.
Russia invade Ukraine and it's NATO's fault? How exactly?
In short , the Cuban missile crisis in reverse, plus tough talk from NATO saying they support Ukraine then when natov tough talk goading russiavgot Ukraine invaded NATO backs down and Ponce's about on the sidelines
Not really. Ukraine was a democratic country with the free right to choose to join NATO or not just as the other 14 Nations have done since 1997.
NATO didn't back down because Ukraine isn't, yet, a member of NATO so there was no ability/reason figuratively or otherwise for NATO to back down from.
NON of this is NATO's Fault.
ALL of this is Russia's fault.
I aportion it 60 40 %"
Still blinkered and deluded then I see. |
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"UK aid and assistance so far . . .
'This package amounts to more than £100 million and has been designed in consultation with the Armed Forces of Ukraine to ensure that it meets their military needs. This builds on the £350 million of military aid and around £400m of economic and humanitarian support that the UK has already provided.'
The EU has given €35bn (£29.1bn) to Vladimir Putin for energy supplies since the start of his war and €1bn to fund Ukraine's defence, ...
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What do people think here should Germany, being the main user here of putins oil and gas, take the hit to there economy for the good of Ukraine? With Germany being the economic power house of Europe would this plunge them into recession and possibly much of Europe aswell? |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
Apologies for derailing the thread.
The actual point is very pertinent.
Why is the UK not doing more for Ukrainian refugees?
Because our government wants to make it so difficult that they give up but be able to say that they "care" are "helping".
The national mood does not match their long running theme of blaming other people for everything... |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"UK aid and assistance so far . . .
'This package amounts to more than £100 million and has been designed in consultation with the Armed Forces of Ukraine to ensure that it meets their military needs. This builds on the £350 million of military aid and around £400m of economic and humanitarian support that the UK has already provided.'
The EU has given €35bn (£29.1bn) to Vladimir Putin for energy supplies since the start of his war and €1bn to fund Ukraine's defence, ...
By that same logic NATO has given Putin €35B for energy too!
Not really nato does not buy it just countries that are members of it."
The EU doesn’t buy it either just countries that are part of it . Well companies actually. |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"UK aid and assistance so far . . .
'This package amounts to more than £100 million and has been designed in consultation with the Armed Forces of Ukraine to ensure that it meets their military needs. This builds on the £350 million of military aid and around £400m of economic and humanitarian support that the UK has already provided.'
The EU has given €35bn (£29.1bn) to Vladimir Putin for energy supplies since the start of his war and €1bn to fund Ukraine's defence, ...
What do people think here should Germany, being the main user here of putins oil and gas, take the hit to there economy for the good of Ukraine? With Germany being the economic power house of Europe would this plunge them into recession and possibly much of Europe aswell?"
Some refineries have stopped using Russian oil others are owned partly by Russian businesses so its a balancing act to keep refining capacity open . Globalisation can be messy.
It’s also they need the political will . |
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
milton keynes |
"UK aid and assistance so far . . .
'This package amounts to more than £100 million and has been designed in consultation with the Armed Forces of Ukraine to ensure that it meets their military needs. This builds on the £350 million of military aid and around £400m of economic and humanitarian support that the UK has already provided.'
The EU has given €35bn (£29.1bn) to Vladimir Putin for energy supplies since the start of his war and €1bn to fund Ukraine's defence, ...
What do people think here should Germany, being the main user here of putins oil and gas, take the hit to there economy for the good of Ukraine? With Germany being the economic power house of Europe would this plunge them into recession and possibly much of Europe aswell?"
Germany have already said that if they just stop using Russian energy it will very likely go into recession and as you say drag other countries down with them. They have little choice but to change as fast as is responsible to do. The problem is that they are in this position in the first place and Putin knows it |
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By *rFunBoyMan
over a year ago
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"It's NATOs fault this war started and we should finish what we started, not Ponce about with handbags at 10 paces like some people on here.
Russia invade Ukraine and it's NATO's fault? How exactly?
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NATO was flirting with Ukraine. Putin made it obvious he wasn't happy. NATO should have let sleeping dogs lie and waited until Putin had gone.
They have kinda provoked by the insistence of Ukraine's. The Ukrainians should have been told "it's not worth the price". I agree, sovereign nation, free choice etc. But some choices you need to be Cruel to be Kind..
and said no. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"It's NATOs fault this war started and we should finish what we started, not Ponce about with handbags at 10 paces like some people on here.
Russia invade Ukraine and it's NATO's fault? How exactly?
NATO was flirting with Ukraine. Putin made it obvious he wasn't happy. NATO should have let sleeping dogs lie and waited until Putin had gone.
They have kinda provoked by the insistence of Ukraine's. The Ukrainians should have been told "it's not worth the price". I agree, sovereign nation, free choice etc. But some choices you need to be Cruel to be Kind..
and said no."
Not worth the price?  its a good job Britain didn't think that way in 1939. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"It's NATOs fault this war started and we should finish what we started, not Ponce about with handbags at 10 paces like some people on here.
Russia invade Ukraine and it's NATO's fault? How exactly?
NATO was flirting with Ukraine. Putin made it obvious he wasn't happy. NATO should have let sleeping dogs lie and waited until Putin had gone.
They have kinda provoked by the insistence of Ukraine's. The Ukrainians should have been told "it's not worth the price". I agree, sovereign nation, free choice etc. But some choices you need to be Cruel to be Kind..
and said no."
Said "no" to what? That Ukraine should give up their land to Russia? They took Crimea and have been in the Donbas for years.
Russia has not had its borders or its territory actually threatened in any way shape or form throughout NATO or the EU's existence. The only major country that has invaded its European neighbors in this century is Russia, multiple times.
As Ukraine borders NATO, why would they not feel as equally "threatened" as Russia does? |
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