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By *hagTonight OP Man
over a year ago
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I heard an interesting interview with manyan ng, former vice president abb, he was talking about how much russia needed china and the alliance between them only lasts as long china is earning from it.
As long as china needs gas and oil from russia and as long as russia needs money from china, with all the sanctions, china is the savior for them.
He concluded that, without china, putin cant make it, what is your view on it? i agree with that. |
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There is a lot of unrest just now in China. Like Russia though it’s ruled by a brutal regime. They have a much smarter and world savvy middle class , educated population so let’s hope they rise up in revolt.
Throw these tired boring old relics out and join the 21st century. |
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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago
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"There is a lot of unrest just now in China. Like Russia though it’s ruled by a brutal regime. They have a much smarter and world savvy middle class , educated population so let’s hope they rise up in revolt.
Throw these tired boring old relics out and join the 21st century."
That’s what ping is scared of is that the younger generation is waking up to the fact that the Chinese way is outdated and oppressive.
Trouble is the whole country just like Russia is ruled on fear and ignorance.
The old people are so well programmed or are just too scared to say anything against the government.
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By *hagTonight OP Man
over a year ago
From the land of haribos. |
"There is a lot of unrest just now in China. Like Russia though it’s ruled by a brutal regime. They have a much smarter and world savvy middle class , educated population so let’s hope they rise up in revolt.
Throw these tired boring old relics out and join the 21st century.
That’s what ping is scared of is that the younger generation is waking up to the fact that the Chinese way is outdated and oppressive.
Trouble is the whole country just like Russia is ruled on fear and ignorance.
The old people are so well programmed or are just too scared to say anything against the government.
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Yes and the same goes for russia, it is more or less mostly the older generation who believe putins propaganda on the news and newspaper, that it is the west fault, whilst the younger ones have access to the internet and knows that it isnt so, did you know that russia have blocked bbcs site too? I follow a russian utuber who documents it. |
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"There is a lot of unrest just now in China. Like Russia though it’s ruled by a brutal regime. They have a much smarter and world savvy middle class , educated population so let’s hope they rise up in revolt.
Throw these tired boring old relics out and join the 21st century.
That’s what ping is scared of is that the younger generation is waking up to the fact that the Chinese way is outdated and oppressive.
Trouble is the whole country just like Russia is ruled on fear and ignorance.
The old people are so well programmed or are just too scared to say anything against the government.
Yes and the same goes for russia, it is more or less mostly the older generation who believe putins propaganda on the news and newspaper, that it is the west fault, whilst the younger ones have access to the internet and knows that it isnt so, did you know that russia have blocked bbcs site too? I follow a russian utuber who documents it."
China is only an economic threat because of its trade deals with most of the world |
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"There is a lot of unrest just now in China. Like Russia though it’s ruled by a brutal regime. They have a much smarter and world savvy middle class , educated population so let’s hope they rise up in revolt.
Throw these tired boring old relics out and join the 21st century.
That’s what ping is scared of is that the younger generation is waking up to the fact that the Chinese way is outdated and oppressive.
Trouble is the whole country just like Russia is ruled on fear and ignorance.
The old people are so well programmed or are just too scared to say anything against the government.
Yes and the same goes for russia, it is more or less mostly the older generation who believe putins propaganda on the news and newspaper, that it is the west fault, whilst the younger ones have access to the internet and knows that it isnt so, did you know that russia have blocked bbcs site too? I follow a russian utuber who documents it."
Interesting. Hope for the future? We can’t imagine the fear of saying the wrong word to the wrong person. Other than on the Fab political forum of course! |
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By *hagTonight OP Man
over a year ago
From the land of haribos. |
"There is a lot of unrest just now in China. Like Russia though it’s ruled by a brutal regime. They have a much smarter and world savvy middle class , educated population so let’s hope they rise up in revolt.
Throw these tired boring old relics out and join the 21st century.
That’s what ping is scared of is that the younger generation is waking up to the fact that the Chinese way is outdated and oppressive.
Trouble is the whole country just like Russia is ruled on fear and ignorance.
The old people are so well programmed or are just too scared to say anything against the government.
Yes and the same goes for russia, it is more or less mostly the older generation who believe putins propaganda on the news and newspaper, that it is the west fault, whilst the younger ones have access to the internet and knows that it isnt so, did you know that russia have blocked bbcs site too? I follow a russian utuber who documents it.
Interesting. Hope for the future? We can’t imagine the fear of saying the wrong word to the wrong person. Other than on the Fab political forum of course! "
Yes, it is interesting too, his utube name is: niki proshin and yes. I think that there are hope for the future as well as they can say abit more of what is happening there  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Its a complicated situation.
As you said Russia and China are literally "allies" only of convenience but Russia doesn't see it that way and resents any insinuation China is above them. Russia clearly sees itself as dominant and China as lower and will get a shock when China doesn't accept that status.
It is true although without Chinese aid the sanctions would bite Russia much deeper.
As for Putin "making it" on Ukraine he still could on his own maybe but he certainly can't fulfil his other ambitions without China(remember he thought he would have won months ago he expected to be riling his people against Moldova by now ). |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I suppose the question could be posed as, are the biggest threat to world peace the USA?
I think clearly so."
how so ? We been a a young nation compared to others what rhetoric? We learned from other nations. Your conception is weak.  |
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"I suppose the question could be posed as, are the biggest threat to world peace the USA?
I think clearly so. how so ? We been a a young nation compared to others what rhetoric? We learned from other nations. Your conception is weak. "
we global project .. everyone cries foul. Europe is the reason we do that in the first place. We try and go to a American first policy... Yet foul again. Make your damn minds up  |
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"I suppose the question could be posed as, are the biggest threat to world peace the USA?
I think clearly so. how so ? We been a a young nation compared to others what rhetoric? We learned from other nations. Your conception is weak. we global project .. everyone cries foul. Europe is the reason we do that in the first place. We try and go to a American first policy... Yet foul again. Make your damn minds up "
America has CLAIMED to want to go to an America First policy, it has never actually tried to do it. Any claim to the contrary is a lie, probably by a politician trying to win a vote.
It wants to still influence the rest of the globe but doesn't want the responsibility that comes with it.
Exactly because it is a toddler of a country. toddlers have tantrums and that is why it is potentially the biggest threat on the global stage.
Temper Tantrum with Nukes. |
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"I suppose the question could be posed as, are the biggest threat to world peace the USA?
I think clearly so. how so ? We been a a young nation compared to others what rhetoric? We learned from other nations. Your conception is weak. we global project .. everyone cries foul. Europe is the reason we do that in the first place. We try and go to a American first policy... Yet foul again. Make your damn minds up
America has CLAIMED to want to go to an America First policy, it has never actually tried to do it. Any claim to the contrary is a lie, probably by a politician trying to win a vote.
It wants to still influence the rest of the globe but doesn't want the responsibility that comes with it.
Exactly because it is a toddler of a country. toddlers have tantrums and that is why it is potentially the biggest threat on the global stage.
Temper Tantrum with Nukes."
. Yet it's a concept people want.. prior to WW2 have we had that political objective? |
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"I suppose the question could be posed as, are the biggest threat to world peace the USA?
I think clearly so. how so ? We been a a young nation compared to others what rhetoric? We learned from other nations. Your conception is weak. we global project .. everyone cries foul. Europe is the reason we do that in the first place. We try and go to a American first policy... Yet foul again. Make your damn minds up
America has CLAIMED to want to go to an America First policy, it has never actually tried to do it. Any claim to the contrary is a lie, probably by a politician trying to win a vote.
It wants to still influence the rest of the globe but doesn't want the responsibility that comes with it.
Exactly because it is a toddler of a country. toddlers have tantrums and that is why it is potentially the biggest threat on the global stage.
Temper Tantrum with Nukes.. Yet it's a concept people want.. prior to WW2 have we had that political objective? "
you scream Uk socialist understanding . I would rather fall back and take care of my own. Clearly you can't comprehend my standards as I can't yours.. we at a impasse on judgements. I say we pull back from the global stage. Yet no one listens. |
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"I suppose the question could be posed as, are the biggest threat to world peace the USA?
I think clearly so. how so ? We been a a young nation compared to others what rhetoric? We learned from other nations. Your conception is weak. we global project .. everyone cries foul. Europe is the reason we do that in the first place. We try and go to a American first policy... Yet foul again. Make your damn minds up
America has CLAIMED to want to go to an America First policy, it has never actually tried to do it. Any claim to the contrary is a lie, probably by a politician trying to win a vote.
It wants to still influence the rest of the globe but doesn't want the responsibility that comes with it.
Exactly because it is a toddler of a country. toddlers have tantrums and that is why it is potentially the biggest threat on the global stage.
Temper Tantrum with Nukes.. Yet it's a concept people want.. prior to WW2 have we had that political objective? "
Some people want, more people (according to Pew research) want you involved more in the global stage.
And pre WW2 was exactly as I described The US wanted to exert its power where it wanted but didn't want any of the responsibility that came with it.
America is Fallible. Just like ANY other country. Cosmos know the UK is |
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"I suppose the question could be posed as, are the biggest threat to world peace the USA?
I think clearly so. how so ? We been a a young nation compared to others what rhetoric? We learned from other nations. Your conception is weak. we global project .. everyone cries foul. Europe is the reason we do that in the first place. We try and go to a American first policy... Yet foul again. Make your damn minds up
America has CLAIMED to want to go to an America First policy, it has never actually tried to do it. Any claim to the contrary is a lie, probably by a politician trying to win a vote.
It wants to still influence the rest of the globe but doesn't want the responsibility that comes with it.
Exactly because it is a toddler of a country. toddlers have tantrums and that is why it is potentially the biggest threat on the global stage.
Temper Tantrum with Nukes.. Yet it's a concept people want.. prior to WW2 have we had that political objective? you scream Uk socialist understanding . I would rather fall back and take care of my own. Clearly you can't comprehend my standards as I can't yours.. we at a impasse on judgements. I say we pull back from the global stage. Yet no one listens."
Honestly wouldn't it be understandable to leave national behavior to the population rather worrying about a world view? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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If the Uk and Europe is totally satisfied with their existence why does everyone need our military to make them feel a semblance of safety? not being arrogant but why is that ? We get condemned.. yet it's the same standpoint . |
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"If the Uk and Europe is totally satisfied with their existence why does everyone need our military to make them feel a semblance of safety? not being arrogant but why is that ? We get condemned.. yet it's the same standpoint ."
Who says we feel a semblance of safety thanks to the US? |
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"I suppose the question could be posed as, are the biggest threat to world peace the USA?
I think clearly so. how so ? We been a a young nation compared to others what rhetoric? We learned from other nations. Your conception is weak. we global project .. everyone cries foul. Europe is the reason we do that in the first place. We try and go to a American first policy... Yet foul again. Make your damn minds up
America has CLAIMED to want to go to an America First policy, it has never actually tried to do it. Any claim to the contrary is a lie, probably by a politician trying to win a vote.
It wants to still influence the rest of the globe but doesn't want the responsibility that comes with it.
Exactly because it is a toddler of a country. toddlers have tantrums and that is why it is potentially the biggest threat on the global stage.
Temper Tantrum with Nukes.. Yet it's a concept people want.. prior to WW2 have we had that political objective?
Some people want, more people (according to Pew research) want you involved more in the global stage.
And pre WW2 was exactly as I described The US wanted to exert its power where it wanted but didn't want any of the responsibility that came with it.
America is Fallible. Just like ANY other country. Cosmos know the UK is"
pre WW2 we were pacifist. |
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"I suppose the question could be posed as, are the biggest threat to world peace the USA?
I think clearly so. how so ? We been a a young nation compared to others what rhetoric? We learned from other nations. Your conception is weak. we global project .. everyone cries foul. Europe is the reason we do that in the first place. We try and go to a American first policy... Yet foul again. Make your damn minds up
America has CLAIMED to want to go to an America First policy, it has never actually tried to do it. Any claim to the contrary is a lie, probably by a politician trying to win a vote.
It wants to still influence the rest of the globe but doesn't want the responsibility that comes with it.
Exactly because it is a toddler of a country. toddlers have tantrums and that is why it is potentially the biggest threat on the global stage.
Temper Tantrum with Nukes.. Yet it's a concept people want.. prior to WW2 have we had that political objective?
Some people want, more people (according to Pew research) want you involved more in the global stage.
And pre WW2 was exactly as I described The US wanted to exert its power where it wanted but didn't want any of the responsibility that came with it.
America is Fallible. Just like ANY other country. Cosmos know the UK ispre WW2 we were pacifist."
The USA most certainly was not. Since the formation of the USA only 15 years has been at peace. |
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"I suppose the question could be posed as, are the biggest threat to world peace the USA?
I think clearly so. how so ? We been a a young nation compared to others what rhetoric? We learned from other nations. Your conception is weak. we global project .. everyone cries foul. Europe is the reason we do that in the first place. We try and go to a American first policy... Yet foul again. Make your damn minds up
America has CLAIMED to want to go to an America First policy, it has never actually tried to do it. Any claim to the contrary is a lie, probably by a politician trying to win a vote.
It wants to still influence the rest of the globe but doesn't want the responsibility that comes with it.
Exactly because it is a toddler of a country. toddlers have tantrums and that is why it is potentially the biggest threat on the global stage.
Temper Tantrum with Nukes.. Yet it's a concept people want.. prior to WW2 have we had that political objective?
Some people want, more people (according to Pew research) want you involved more in the global stage.
And pre WW2 was exactly as I described The US wanted to exert its power where it wanted but didn't want any of the responsibility that came with it.
America is Fallible. Just like ANY other country. Cosmos know the UK ispre WW2 we were pacifist."
I want the pacifist clearly no one needs the US .you a ramble about our values. Yet fail to see the bigger picture. I'm love to my sisters and brothers in arms from the UK.Yet the US our demons. We need to pull back and let everything elsewhere sort itself out. |
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"I suppose the question could be posed as, are the biggest threat to world peace the USA?
I think clearly so. how so ? We been a a young nation compared to others what rhetoric? We learned from other nations. Your conception is weak. we global project .. everyone cries foul. Europe is the reason we do that in the first place. We try and go to a American first policy... Yet foul again. Make your damn minds up
America has CLAIMED to want to go to an America First policy, it has never actually tried to do it. Any claim to the contrary is a lie, probably by a politician trying to win a vote.
It wants to still influence the rest of the globe but doesn't want the responsibility that comes with it.
Exactly because it is a toddler of a country. toddlers have tantrums and that is why it is potentially the biggest threat on the global stage.
Temper Tantrum with Nukes.. Yet it's a concept people want.. prior to WW2 have we had that political objective?
Some people want, more people (according to Pew research) want you involved more in the global stage.
And pre WW2 was exactly as I described The US wanted to exert its power where it wanted but didn't want any of the responsibility that came with it.
America is Fallible. Just like ANY other country. Cosmos know the UK ispre WW2 we were pacifist. I want the pacifist clearly no one needs the US .you a ramble about our values. Yet fail to see the bigger picture. I'm love to my sisters and brothers in arms from the UK.Yet the US our demons. We need to pull back and let everything elsewhere sort itself out."
What would sorting itself out look like? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I watch the posts.. I being formal military along with husband sit and watch . According to everyone here we are demons . Voicing a opinion falls on deaf ears.i don't fit everyone's narrative in a global experience essentially. My bad for experiencing something different. I'm f the UK and European countries can handle your security in am fine with that. |
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"I suppose the question could be posed as, are the biggest threat to world peace the USA?
I think clearly so. how so ? We been a a young nation compared to others what rhetoric? We learned from other nations. Your conception is weak. we global project .. everyone cries foul. Europe is the reason we do that in the first place. We try and go to a American first policy... Yet foul again. Make your damn minds up
America has CLAIMED to want to go to an America First policy, it has never actually tried to do it. Any claim to the contrary is a lie, probably by a politician trying to win a vote.
It wants to still influence the rest of the globe but doesn't want the responsibility that comes with it.
Exactly because it is a toddler of a country. toddlers have tantrums and that is why it is potentially the biggest threat on the global stage.
Temper Tantrum with Nukes.. Yet it's a concept people want.. prior to WW2 have we had that political objective?
Some people want, more people (according to Pew research) want you involved more in the global stage.
And pre WW2 was exactly as I described The US wanted to exert its power where it wanted but didn't want any of the responsibility that came with it.
America is Fallible. Just like ANY other country. Cosmos know the UK ispre WW2 we were pacifist. I want the pacifist clearly no one needs the US .you a ramble about our values. Yet fail to see the bigger picture. I'm love to my sisters and brothers in arms from the UK.Yet the US our demons. We need to pull back and let everything elsewhere sort itself out.
What would sorting itself out look like?"
Play your game accept the consequences why does Europe need the US ? I want us to fall back and spend the money on general welfare for the people. I'm wrong on that statement. |
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So my question is do we need to be the " Superpower" everyone perceives under our values or do we watch the rest of the world burn and just say leave it alone it's not us.... |
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"So my question is do we need to be the " Superpower" everyone perceives under our values or do we watch the rest of the world burn and just say leave it alone it's not us...."
No offense after all I seen on here rather the American first policy. |
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"So my question is do we need to be the " Superpower" everyone perceives under our values or do we watch the rest of the world burn and just say leave it alone it's not us....
No offense after all I seen on here rather the American first policy."
clearly our global projection is not working.. maybe Russian influence and China is the way for Europe. |
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"I suppose the question could be posed as, are the biggest threat to world peace the USA?
I think clearly so. how so ? We been a a young nation compared to others what rhetoric? We learned from other nations. Your conception is weak. we global project .. everyone cries foul. Europe is the reason we do that in the first place. We try and go to a American first policy... Yet foul again. Make your damn minds up
America has CLAIMED to want to go to an America First policy, it has never actually tried to do it. Any claim to the contrary is a lie, probably by a politician trying to win a vote.
It wants to still influence the rest of the globe but doesn't want the responsibility that comes with it.
Exactly because it is a toddler of a country. toddlers have tantrums and that is why it is potentially the biggest threat on the global stage.
Temper Tantrum with Nukes.. Yet it's a concept people want.. prior to WW2 have we had that political objective?
Some people want, more people (according to Pew research) want you involved more in the global stage.
And pre WW2 was exactly as I described The US wanted to exert its power where it wanted but didn't want any of the responsibility that came with it.
America is Fallible. Just like ANY other country. Cosmos know the UK ispre WW2 we were pacifist. I want the pacifist clearly no one needs the US .you a ramble about our values. Yet fail to see the bigger picture. I'm love to my sisters and brothers in arms from the UK.Yet the US our demons. We need to pull back and let everything elsewhere sort itself out.
What would sorting itself out look like?
Play your game accept the consequences why does Europe need the US ? I want us to fall back and spend the money on general welfare for the people. I'm wrong on that statement."
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Russian domination is not a desirable outcome
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"I suppose the question could be posed as, are the biggest threat to world peace the USA?
I think clearly so. how so ? We been a a young nation compared to others what rhetoric? We learned from other nations. Your conception is weak. we global project .. everyone cries foul. Europe is the reason we do that in the first place. We try and go to a American first policy... Yet foul again. Make your damn minds up
America has CLAIMED to want to go to an America First policy, it has never actually tried to do it. Any claim to the contrary is a lie, probably by a politician trying to win a vote.
It wants to still influence the rest of the globe but doesn't want the responsibility that comes with it.
Exactly because it is a toddler of a country. toddlers have tantrums and that is why it is potentially the biggest threat on the global stage.
Temper Tantrum with Nukes.. Yet it's a concept people want.. prior to WW2 have we had that political objective?
Some people want, more people (according to Pew research) want you involved more in the global stage.
And pre WW2 was exactly as I described The US wanted to exert its power where it wanted but didn't want any of the responsibility that came with it.
America is Fallible. Just like ANY other country. Cosmos know the UK ispre WW2 we were pacifist. I want the pacifist clearly no one needs the US .you a ramble about our values. Yet fail to see the bigger picture. I'm love to my sisters and brothers in arms from the UK.Yet the US our demons. We need to pull back and let everything elsewhere sort itself out.
What would sorting itself out look like?
Play your game accept the consequences why does Europe need the US ? I want us to fall back and spend the money on general welfare for the people. I'm wrong on that statement.
Security and Stability
Russian domination is not a desirable outcome
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. Seems that desirable outcome is acceptable in your society. |
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"I suppose the question could be posed as, are the biggest threat to world peace the USA?
I think clearly so. how so ? We been a a young nation compared to others what rhetoric? We learned from other nations. Your conception is weak. we global project .. everyone cries foul. Europe is the reason we do that in the first place. We try and go to a American first policy... Yet foul again. Make your damn minds up
America has CLAIMED to want to go to an America First policy, it has never actually tried to do it. Any claim to the contrary is a lie, probably by a politician trying to win a vote.
It wants to still influence the rest of the globe but doesn't want the responsibility that comes with it.
Exactly because it is a toddler of a country. toddlers have tantrums and that is why it is potentially the biggest threat on the global stage.
Temper Tantrum with Nukes.. Yet it's a concept people want.. prior to WW2 have we had that political objective?
Some people want, more people (according to Pew research) want you involved more in the global stage.
And pre WW2 was exactly as I described The US wanted to exert its power where it wanted but didn't want any of the responsibility that came with it.
America is Fallible. Just like ANY other country. Cosmos know the UK ispre WW2 we were pacifist. I want the pacifist clearly no one needs the US .you a ramble about our values. Yet fail to see the bigger picture. I'm love to my sisters and brothers in arms from the UK.Yet the US our demons. We need to pull back and let everything elsewhere sort itself out.
What would sorting itself out look like?
Play your game accept the consequences why does Europe need the US ? I want us to fall back and spend the money on general welfare for the people. I'm wrong on that statement.
Security and Stability
Russian domination is not a desirable outcome
. Seems that desirable outcome is acceptable in your society. "
How is it desirable? |
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"Play your game accept the consequences why does Europe need the US ? I want us to fall back and spend the money on general welfare for the people. I'm wrong on that statement.
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Russian domination is not a desirable outcome
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I partially disagree, I would say that is why we WANT the US involved, I don't know if we NEED them. |
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"Play your game accept the consequences why does Europe need the US ? I want us to fall back and spend the money on general welfare for the people. I'm wrong on that statement.
Security and Stability
Russian domination is not a desirable outcome
I partially disagree, I would say that is why we WANT the US involved, I don't know if we NEED them."
Well in a perfect world no but then in a perfect world Germany would have a grasp of brotherhood,France would quit their delusions of grandeur and well thats before you get to us.
Like it or not Ukraine is only the beginning of Russian plans and it needs American aid to hold |
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"Play your game accept the consequences why does Europe need the US ? I want us to fall back and spend the money on general welfare for the people. I'm wrong on that statement.
Security and Stability
Russian domination is not a desirable outcome
I partially disagree, I would say that is why we WANT the US involved, I don't know if we NEED them."
exactly you don't " need " us why spend the gdp on defense again ? You literally post stuff on our standards but yet the American taxpayer payes for your indiscriminate behavior. Yet we wrong on caring for other nations Wouldn't be my more prudent to are for our own at all costs? |
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"Play your game accept the consequences why does Europe need the US ? I want us to fall back and spend the money on general welfare for the people. I'm wrong on that statement.
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Russian domination is not a desirable outcome
I partially disagree, I would say that is why we WANT the US involved, I don't know if we NEED them. exactly you don't " need " us why spend the gdp on defense again ? You literally post stuff on our standards but yet the American taxpayer payes for your indiscriminate behavior. Yet we wrong on caring for other nations Wouldn't be my more prudent to are for our own at all costs?"
It's time to cut the umbilical cord to Europe and accept those conditions. |
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"Play your game accept the consequences why does Europe need the US ? I want us to fall back and spend the money on general welfare for the people. I'm wrong on that statement.
Security and Stability
Russian domination is not a desirable outcome
I partially disagree, I would say that is why we WANT the US involved, I don't know if we NEED them.
Well in a perfect world no but then in a perfect world Germany would have a grasp of brotherhood,France would quit their delusions of grandeur and well thats before you get to us.
Like it or not Ukraine is only the beginning of Russian plans and it needs American aid to hold"
Well I think it would be incredibly difficult without American involvement. Not impossible though. Don't get me wrong I would rather they were involved.
I also think we can appreciate what the US brings to the table and still criticise what they are getting wrong.
I think the most frustrating part with the US thinking they are the world #1 despite not leading anything except for military might and objectively bad things.
Is that if they admitted their failings as a whole and worked on them they have the resources to actually be what they are want to claim. |
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"Play your game accept the consequences why does Europe need the US ? I want us to fall back and spend the money on general welfare for the people. I'm wrong on that statement.
Security and Stability
Russian domination is not a desirable outcome
I partially disagree, I would say that is why we WANT the US involved, I don't know if we NEED them.
Well in a perfect world no but then in a perfect world Germany would have a grasp of brotherhood,France would quit their delusions of grandeur and well thats before you get to us.
Like it or not Ukraine is only the beginning of Russian plans and it needs American aid to hold"
that's my point of no on we can understand our sacrifice. So on that standpoint America first is a better policy. |
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"Play your game accept the consequences why does Europe need the US ? I want us to fall back and spend the money on general welfare for the people. I'm wrong on that statement.
Security and Stability
Russian domination is not a desirable outcome
I partially disagree, I would say that is why we WANT the US involved, I don't know if we NEED them.
Well in a perfect world no but then in a perfect world Germany would have a grasp of brotherhood,France would quit their delusions of grandeur and well thats before you get to us.
Like it or not Ukraine is only the beginning of Russian plans and it needs American aid to hold that's my point of no on we can understand our sacrifice. So on that standpoint America first is a better policy."
Brexit ring a bell ? Ok love you all but seriously make a standpoint .. Brexit a stand alone policy.. we whisper Americans first policy my brain goes to are you serious. |
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"Play your game accept the consequences why does Europe need the US ? I want us to fall back and spend the money on general welfare for the people. I'm wrong on that statement.
Security and Stability
Russian domination is not a desirable outcome
I partially disagree, I would say that is why we WANT the US involved, I don't know if we NEED them.
Well in a perfect world no but then in a perfect world Germany would have a grasp of brotherhood,France would quit their delusions of grandeur and well thats before you get to us.
Like it or not Ukraine is only the beginning of Russian plans and it needs American aid to hold that's my point of no on we can understand our sacrifice. So on that standpoint America first is a better policy.
Brexit ring a bell ? Ok love you all but seriously make a standpoint .. Brexit a stand alone policy.. we whisper Americans first policy my brain goes to are you serious."
Please don’t remind me of Brexit |
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"Play your game accept the consequences why does Europe need the US ? I want us to fall back and spend the money on general welfare for the people. I'm wrong on that statement.
Security and Stability
Russian domination is not a desirable outcome
I partially disagree, I would say that is why we WANT the US involved, I don't know if we NEED them.
Well in a perfect world no but then in a perfect world Germany would have a grasp of brotherhood,France would quit their delusions of grandeur and well thats before you get to us.
Like it or not Ukraine is only the beginning of Russian plans and it needs American aid to hold that's my point of no on we can understand our sacrifice. So on that standpoint America first is a better policy.
Brexit ring a bell ? Ok love you all but seriously make a standpoint .. Brexit a stand alone policy.. we whisper Americans first policy my brain goes to are you serious."
simple and democratic .. Aye if you need the US for global security... nay if not. It's simple symantics. Cast your voice. |
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"Play your game accept the consequences why does Europe need the US ? I want us to fall back and spend the money on general welfare for the people. I'm wrong on that statement.
Security and Stability
Russian domination is not a desirable outcome
I partially disagree, I would say that is why we WANT the US involved, I don't know if we NEED them.
Well in a perfect world no but then in a perfect world Germany would have a grasp of brotherhood,France would quit their delusions of grandeur and well thats before you get to us.
Like it or not Ukraine is only the beginning of Russian plans and it needs American aid to hold that's my point of no on we can understand our sacrifice. So on that standpoint America first is a better policy.
Brexit ring a bell ? Ok love you all but seriously make a standpoint .. Brexit a stand alone policy.. we whisper Americans first policy my brain goes to are you serious. simple and democratic .. Aye if you need the US for global security... nay if not. It's simple symantics. Cast your voice. "
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"Play your game accept the consequences why does Europe need the US ? I want us to fall back and spend the money on general welfare for the people. I'm wrong on that statement.
Security and Stability
Russian domination is not a desirable outcome
I partially disagree, I would say that is why we WANT the US involved, I don't know if we NEED them.
Well in a perfect world no but then in a perfect world Germany would have a grasp of brotherhood,France would quit their delusions of grandeur and well thats before you get to us.
Like it or not Ukraine is only the beginning of Russian plans and it needs American aid to hold that's my point of no on we can understand our sacrifice. So on that standpoint America first is a better policy.
Brexit ring a bell ? Ok love you all but seriously make a standpoint .. Brexit a stand alone policy.. we whisper Americans first policy my brain goes to are you serious.
Please don’t remind me of Brexit"
it's the truth we try "Americans first ", ,policy yet you adopted the same exact policy and i get persecuted on the "American First" policy. |
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"Play your game accept the consequences why does Europe need the US ? I want us to fall back and spend the money on general welfare for the people. I'm wrong on that statement.
Security and Stability
Russian domination is not a desirable outcome
I partially disagree, I would say that is why we WANT the US involved, I don't know if we NEED them.
Well in a perfect world no but then in a perfect world Germany would have a grasp of brotherhood,France would quit their delusions of grandeur and well thats before you get to us.
Like it or not Ukraine is only the beginning of Russian plans and it needs American aid to hold that's my point of no on we can understand our sacrifice. So on that standpoint America first is a better policy.
Brexit ring a bell ? Ok love you all but seriously make a standpoint .. Brexit a stand alone policy.. we whisper Americans first policy my brain goes to are you serious.
Please don’t remind me of Brexit it's the truth we try "Americans first ", ,policy yet you adopted the same exact policy and i get persecuted on the "American First" policy."
When did the USA try it? |
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"Play your game accept the consequences why does Europe need the US ? I want us to fall back and spend the money on general welfare for the people. I'm wrong on that statement.
Security and Stability
Russian domination is not a desirable outcome
I partially disagree, I would say that is why we WANT the US involved, I don't know if we NEED them.
Well in a perfect world no but then in a perfect world Germany would have a grasp of brotherhood,France would quit their delusions of grandeur and well thats before you get to us.
Like it or not Ukraine is only the beginning of Russian plans and it needs American aid to hold that's my point of no on we can understand our sacrifice. So on that standpoint America first is a better policy.
Brexit ring a bell ? Ok love you all but seriously make a standpoint .. Brexit a stand alone policy.. we whisper Americans first policy my brain goes to are you serious.
Please don’t remind me of Brexit it's the truth we try "Americans first ", ,policy yet you adopted the same exact policy and i get persecuted on the "American First" policy."
Who is the we?
If I adopt Brexit because of my government then you must have rejected “America First” due to yours |
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"Play your game accept the consequences why does Europe need the US ? I want us to fall back and spend the money on general welfare for the people. I'm wrong on that statement.
Security and Stability
Russian domination is not a desirable outcome
I partially disagree, I would say that is why we WANT the US involved, I don't know if we NEED them.
Well in a perfect world no but then in a perfect world Germany would have a grasp of brotherhood,France would quit their delusions of grandeur and well thats before you get to us.
Like it or not Ukraine is only the beginning of Russian plans and it needs American aid to hold that's my point of no on we can understand our sacrifice. So on that standpoint America first is a better policy.
Brexit ring a bell ? Ok love you all but seriously make a standpoint .. Brexit a stand alone policy.. we whisper Americans first policy my brain goes to are you serious.
Please don’t remind me of Brexit it's the truth we try "Americans first ", ,policy yet you adopted the same exact policy and i get persecuted on the "American First" policy.
When did the USA try it?"
did your peers not vote for Brexit yes or no ? |
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"Play your game accept the consequences why does Europe need the US ? I want us to fall back and spend the money on general welfare for the people. I'm wrong on that statement.
Security and Stability
Russian domination is not a desirable outcome
I partially disagree, I would say that is why we WANT the US involved, I don't know if we NEED them.
Well in a perfect world no but then in a perfect world Germany would have a grasp of brotherhood,France would quit their delusions of grandeur and well thats before you get to us.
Like it or not Ukraine is only the beginning of Russian plans and it needs American aid to hold that's my point of no on we can understand our sacrifice. So on that standpoint America first is a better policy.
Brexit ring a bell ? Ok love you all but seriously make a standpoint .. Brexit a stand alone policy.. we whisper Americans first policy my brain goes to are you serious.
Please don’t remind me of Brexit it's the truth we try "Americans first ", ,policy yet you adopted the same exact policy and i get persecuted on the "American First" policy.
When did the USA try it? did your peers not vote for Brexit yes or no ?"
honestly you don't need us don't you agree? |
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"Play your game accept the consequences why does Europe need the US ? I want us to fall back and spend the money on general welfare for the people. I'm wrong on that statement.
Security and Stability
Russian domination is not a desirable outcome
I partially disagree, I would say that is why we WANT the US involved, I don't know if we NEED them.
Well in a perfect world no but then in a perfect world Germany would have a grasp of brotherhood,France would quit their delusions of grandeur and well thats before you get to us.
Like it or not Ukraine is only the beginning of Russian plans and it needs American aid to hold that's my point of no on we can understand our sacrifice. So on that standpoint America first is a better policy.
Brexit ring a bell ? Ok love you all but seriously make a standpoint .. Brexit a stand alone policy.. we whisper Americans first policy my brain goes to are you serious.
Please don’t remind me of Brexit it's the truth we try "Americans first ", ,policy yet you adopted the same exact policy and i get persecuted on the "American First" policy.
When did the USA try it? did your peers not vote for Brexit yes or no ?"
Irrelevant to my question, you claimed the USA tried America First, I am asking when. |
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"Play your game accept the consequences why does Europe need the US ? I want us to fall back and spend the money on general welfare for the people. I'm wrong on that statement.
Security and Stability
Russian domination is not a desirable outcome
I partially disagree, I would say that is why we WANT the US involved, I don't know if we NEED them.
Well in a perfect world no but then in a perfect world Germany would have a grasp of brotherhood,France would quit their delusions of grandeur and well thats before you get to us.
Like it or not Ukraine is only the beginning of Russian plans and it needs American aid to hold that's my point of no on we can understand our sacrifice. So on that standpoint America first is a better policy.
Brexit ring a bell ? Ok love you all but seriously make a standpoint .. Brexit a stand alone policy.. we whisper Americans first policy my brain goes to are you serious.
Please don’t remind me of Brexit it's the truth we try "Americans first ", ,policy yet you adopted the same exact policy and i get persecuted on the "American First" policy.
When did the USA try it? did your peers not vote for Brexit yes or no ? honestly you don't need us don't you agree?"
Just say so one your geo policies I'll let you alone.. Brexit created the pound against the euro did I it not to benefit the UK population. |
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"Play your game accept the consequences why does Europe need the US ? I want us to fall back and spend the money on general welfare for the people. I'm wrong on that statement.
Security and Stability
Russian domination is not a desirable outcome
I partially disagree, I would say that is why we WANT the US involved, I don't know if we NEED them.
Well in a perfect world no but then in a perfect world Germany would have a grasp of brotherhood,France would quit their delusions of grandeur and well thats before you get to us.
Like it or not Ukraine is only the beginning of Russian plans and it needs American aid to hold that's my point of no on we can understand our sacrifice. So on that standpoint America first is a better policy.
Brexit ring a bell ? Ok love you all but seriously make a standpoint .. Brexit a stand alone policy.. we whisper Americans first policy my brain goes to are you serious.
Please don’t remind me of Brexit it's the truth we try "Americans first ", ,policy yet you adopted the same exact policy and i get persecuted on the "American First" policy.
When did the USA try it? did your peers not vote for Brexit yes or no ? honestly you don't need us don't you agree?
Just say so one your geo policies I'll let you alone.. Brexit created the pound against the euro did I it not to benefit the UK population. "
Ok I will assume you cannot answer the question because the USA has in fact Never tried an America First policy despite your claims to the contrary. Please correct me if I am wrong.
The UK has never used the Euro, all through its membership of the EU it still used the Pound.
Brexit has been an unmitigated disaster, there is a thread in these politics forum where brexiteers were challenged to find a benefit of Brexit with an incredibly poor exception they were incapable of doing so.
I fail to see how that answer makes any difference in this but you asked. |
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"Play your game accept the consequences why does Europe need the US ? I want us to fall back and spend the money on general welfare for the people. I'm wrong on that statement.
Security and Stability
Russian domination is not a desirable outcome
I partially disagree, I would say that is why we WANT the US involved, I don't know if we NEED them.
Well in a perfect world no but then in a perfect world Germany would have a grasp of brotherhood,France would quit their delusions of grandeur and well thats before you get to us.
Like it or not Ukraine is only the beginning of Russian plans and it needs American aid to hold that's my point of no on we can understand our sacrifice. So on that standpoint America first is a better policy.
Brexit ring a bell ? Ok love you all but seriously make a standpoint .. Brexit a stand alone policy.. we whisper Americans first policy my brain goes to are you serious.
Please don’t remind me of Brexit it's the truth we try "Americans first ", ,policy yet you adopted the same exact policy and i get persecuted on the "American First" policy.
When did the USA try it? did your peers not vote for Brexit yes or no ? honestly you don't need us don't you agree?
Just say so one your geo policies I'll let you alone.. Brexit created the pound against the euro did I it not to benefit the UK population. "
so our gdp on defensive posture solves what? I all for the UK to take the be helm as a global power antagonist in an others eyes. Take the helm....I don't want it. |
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"Play your game accept the consequences why does Europe need the US ? I want us to fall back and spend the money on general welfare for the people. I'm wrong on that statement.
Security and Stability
Russian domination is not a desirable outcome
I partially disagree, I would say that is why we WANT the US involved, I don't know if we NEED them.
Well in a perfect world no but then in a perfect world Germany would have a grasp of brotherhood,France would quit their delusions of grandeur and well thats before you get to us.
Like it or not Ukraine is only the beginning of Russian plans and it needs American aid to hold that's my point of no on we can understand our sacrifice. So on that standpoint America first is a better policy.
Brexit ring a bell ? Ok love you all but seriously make a standpoint .. Brexit a stand alone policy.. we whisper Americans first policy my brain goes to are you serious.
Please don’t remind me of Brexit it's the truth we try "Americans first ", ,policy yet you adopted the same exact policy and i get persecuted on the "American First" policy.
When did the USA try it? did your peers not vote for Brexit yes or no ? honestly you don't need us don't you agree?
Just say so one your geo policies I'll let you alone.. Brexit created the pound against the euro did I it not to benefit the UK population. so our gdp on defensive posture solves what? I all for the UK to take the be helm as a global power antagonist in an others eyes. Take the helm....I don't want it. "
Take it if your superiority dictates. Take over the globe. If you choose. |
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"Play your game accept the consequences why does Europe need the US ? I want us to fall back and spend the money on general welfare for the people. I'm wrong on that statement.
Security and Stability
Russian domination is not a desirable outcome
I partially disagree, I would say that is why we WANT the US involved, I don't know if we NEED them.
Well in a perfect world no but then in a perfect world Germany would have a grasp of brotherhood,France would quit their delusions of grandeur and well thats before you get to us.
Like it or not Ukraine is only the beginning of Russian plans and it needs American aid to hold that's my point of no on we can understand our sacrifice. So on that standpoint America first is a better policy.
Brexit ring a bell ? Ok love you all but seriously make a standpoint .. Brexit a stand alone policy.. we whisper Americans first policy my brain goes to are you serious.
Please don’t remind me of Brexit it's the truth we try "Americans first ", ,policy yet you adopted the same exact policy and i get persecuted on the "American First" policy.
When did the USA try it? did your peers not vote for Brexit yes or no ? honestly you don't need us don't you agree?
Just say so one your geo policies I'll let you alone.. Brexit created the pound against the euro did I it not to benefit the UK population. so our gdp on defensive posture solves what? I all for the UK to take the be helm as a global power antagonist in an others eyes. Take the helm....I don't want it.
Take it if your superiority dictates. Take over the globe. If you choose."
Take your throne if you think your the righteous ones. I am being simplistic. |
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"Play your game accept the consequences why does Europe need the US ? I want us to fall back and spend the money on general welfare for the people. I'm wrong on that statement.
Security and Stability
Russian domination is not a desirable outcome
I partially disagree, I would say that is why we WANT the US involved, I don't know if we NEED them.
Well in a perfect world no but then in a perfect world Germany would have a grasp of brotherhood,France would quit their delusions of grandeur and well thats before you get to us.
Like it or not Ukraine is only the beginning of Russian plans and it needs American aid to hold that's my point of no on we can understand our sacrifice. So on that standpoint America first is a better policy.
Brexit ring a bell ? Ok love you all but seriously make a standpoint .. Brexit a stand alone policy.. we whisper Americans first policy my brain goes to are you serious.
Please don’t remind me of Brexit it's the truth we try "Americans first ", ,policy yet you adopted the same exact policy and i get persecuted on the "American First" policy.
When did the USA try it? did your peers not vote for Brexit yes or no ? honestly you don't need us don't you agree?
Just say so one your geo policies I'll let you alone.. Brexit created the pound against the euro did I it not to benefit the UK population. so our gdp on defensive posture solves what? I all for the UK to take the be helm as a global power antagonist in an others eyes. Take the helm....I don't want it.
Take it if your superiority dictates. Take over the globe. If you choose.
Take your throne if you think your the righteous ones. I am being simplistic."
everyone complains about the he average American .. maybe global project your standards.its a valued perception don't you think ? |
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"Play your game accept the consequences why does Europe need the US ? I want us to fall back and spend the money on general welfare for the people. I'm wrong on that statement.
Security and Stability
Russian domination is not a desirable outcome
I partially disagree, I would say that is why we WANT the US involved, I don't know if we NEED them.
Well in a perfect world no but then in a perfect world Germany would have a grasp of brotherhood,France would quit their delusions of grandeur and well thats before you get to us.
Like it or not Ukraine is only the beginning of Russian plans and it needs American aid to hold that's my point of no on we can understand our sacrifice. So on that standpoint America first is a better policy.
Brexit ring a bell ? Ok love you all but seriously make a standpoint .. Brexit a stand alone policy.. we whisper Americans first policy my brain goes to are you serious.
Please don’t remind me of Brexit it's the truth we try "Americans first ", ,policy yet you adopted the same exact policy and i get persecuted on the "American First" policy.
When did the USA try it? did your peers not vote for Brexit yes or no ? honestly you don't need us don't you agree?
Just say so one your geo policies I'll let you alone.. Brexit created the pound against the euro did I it not to benefit the UK population. so our gdp on defensive posture solves what? I all for the UK to take the be helm as a global power antagonist in an others eyes. Take the helm....I don't want it.
Take it if your superiority dictates. Take over the globe. If you choose.
Take your throne if you think your the righteous ones. I am being simplistic. everyone complains about the he average American .. maybe global project your standards.its a valued perception don't you think ?"
My standpoint.. well why do we have to provide security to other nations.You live and die by the sword. Yet I am a villain on that very same protection for others. Weird...our gdp cut for your defense can go to better social issues .. yet here we are protecting the ungrateful. Like I said you all proved my standpoint. |
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Seriously do I as a American need to pay taxes to support other countries defense yes or no? A viable solution would be greatly appreciated. It's a simplistic question. |
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"Seriously do I as a American need to pay taxes to support other countries defense yes or no? A viable solution would be greatly appreciated. It's a simplistic question."
2200 usd per person for global defense per person here can go a long way. Yet our society are the villains. I not projecting America exceptionality I stating fact that I disagree with there is no need |
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"I suppose the question could be posed as, are the biggest threat to world peace the USA?
I think clearly so."
The USA is directly linked to the biggest peace time expansion in history after WW2
USA could fold every military on the planet in half. The fact they haven’t and have instead fought wars to regain peace says a lot |
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"Its a complicated situation.
As you said Russia and China are literally "allies" only of convenience but Russia doesn't see it that way and resents any insinuation China is above them. Russia clearly sees itself as dominant and China as lower and will get a shock when China doesn't accept that status.
It is true although without Chinese aid the sanctions would bite Russia much deeper.
As for Putin "making it" on Ukraine he still could on his own maybe but he certainly can't fulfil his other ambitions without China(remember he thought he would have won months ago he expected to be riling his people against Moldova by now )."
Yes, it is complicated situation as well, as I see the key word here is "as long as", that is cos china is building its own supplies, so when they have them ready they they wont be dependent on russia. I think that is how many other countries are thinking as well, to move away from them and not to be so dependent on them, just cos of the gas and oil |
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By *rFunBoyMan
over a year ago
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"If the Uk and Europe is totally satisfied with their existence why does everyone need our military to make them feel a semblance of safety? not being arrogant but why is that ? We get condemned.. yet it's the same standpoint ."
We'd probably be a strong nuclear power if they hadn't forced the British Scientists on the Manhattan project to hand over their research documents before leaving and closing the door behind them.
German and British Science developed most of the atomic weapons, Churchill agreed to let them go to America in case of sabotage or invasion, yet came back with nothing.
It was supposed to be an Allied Collaboration, not leaving us begging for US made Nukes on Whitehouse terms whether we can use them.
We were shafted.. we gave the US the knowledge for very little in return. |
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"Seriously do I as a American need to pay taxes to support other countries defense yes or no? A viable solution would be greatly appreciated. It's a simplistic question.
2200 usd per person for global defense per person here can go a long way. Yet our society are the villains. I not projecting America exceptionality I stating fact that I disagree with there is no need "
Are you saying ALL of the US Military budget is spent on Global Defense? |
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"I suppose the question could be posed as, are the biggest threat to world peace the USA?
I think clearly so. how so ? We been a a young nation compared to others what rhetoric? We learned from other nations. Your conception is weak. we global project .. everyone cries foul. Europe is the reason we do that in the first place. We try and go to a American first policy... Yet foul again. Make your damn minds up
America has CLAIMED to want to go to an America First policy, it has never actually tried to do it. Any claim to the contrary is a lie, probably by a politician trying to win a vote.
It wants to still influence the rest of the globe but doesn't want the responsibility that comes with it.
Exactly because it is a toddler of a country. toddlers have tantrums and that is why it is potentially the biggest threat on the global stage.
Temper Tantrum with Nukes.. Yet it's a concept people want.. prior to WW2 have we had that political objective?
Some people want, more people (according to Pew research) want you involved more in the global stage.
And pre WW2 was exactly as I described The US wanted to exert its power where it wanted but didn't want any of the responsibility that came with it.
America is Fallible. Just like ANY other country. Cosmos know the UK ispre WW2 we were pacifist."
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So much talk on here about the "America First Policy", but American international politics and international policies have followed a very similar pattern for many many decades, and is in itself an America First Policy in that it is a classicaly imperialist state who wish to weild its power around the globe and to open all markets to it's economic dominance, and to make it's economic system the hegemonic system across the globe.
They will use economic means and levers where they can to prise open economies, but where they can't they've never been opposed to using force and finding pretexts.
The reason we see such provocation now in China is because they are the rising superpower and America are relatively on the wain. But let's not kid ourselves that America's role has been and is the protection of others around the world. The huge military spend is and always has been to protect their financial and political interests, as with every imperial power. As was Britain in the past. As was Rome.
We are in a period of flux as the US wanes and China grows, this is a much more dangerous situation than Russia. It's Sparta and Athens. |
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"Seriously do I as a American need to pay taxes to support other countries defense yes or no? A viable solution would be greatly appreciated. It's a simplistic question.
2200 usd per person for global defense per person here can go a long way. Yet our society are the villains. I not projecting America exceptionality I stating fact that I disagree with there is no need
Are you saying ALL of the US Military budget is spent on Global Defense?"
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"So much talk on here about the "America First Policy", but American international politics and international policies have followed a very similar pattern for many many decades, and is in itself an America First Policy in that it is a classicaly imperialist state who wish to weild its power around the globe and to open all markets to it's economic dominance, and to make it's economic system the hegemonic system across the globe.
They will use economic means and levers where they can to prise open economies, but where they can't they've never been opposed to using force and finding pretexts.
The reason we see such provocation now in China is because they are the rising superpower and America are relatively on the wain. But let's not kid ourselves that America's role has been and is the protection of others around the world. The huge military spend is and always has been to protect their financial and political interests, as with every imperial power. As was Britain in the past. As was Rome.
We are in a period of flux as the US wanes and China grows, this is a much more dangerous situation than Russia. It's Sparta and Athens."
Do we need to be the global projection yes or no? If you find with china's influence who am I to judge your perception.if you and everyone agrees to that why do we need to project,? Vote china influence then and accept it. |
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"Seriously do I as a American need to pay taxes to support other countries defense yes or no? A viable solution would be greatly appreciated. It's a simplistic question.
2200 usd per person for global defense per person here can go a long way. Yet our society are the villains. I not projecting America exceptionality I stating fact that I disagree with there is no need
Are you saying ALL of the US Military budget is spent on Global Defense? do you match our gdp output?"
That isn't relevant, you claimed the US spends 2200 per person on "global defence" The US population is 329.5 million x 2200 = $724.9 Billion which is close enough to the ENTIRE US military budget.
Are you saying this is accurate, and at least 93.7% of the US military budget is spent on "Global Defence"?
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"Seriously do I as a American need to pay taxes to support other countries defense yes or no? A viable solution would be greatly appreciated. It's a simplistic question.
2200 usd per person for global defense per person here can go a long way. Yet our society are the villains. I not projecting America exceptionality I stating fact that I disagree with there is no need
Are you saying ALL of the US Military budget is spent on Global Defense? do you match our gdp output?
That isn't relevant, you claimed the US spends 2200 per person on "global defence" The US population is 329.5 million x 2200 = $724.9 Billion which is close enough to the ENTIRE US military budget.
Are you saying this is accurate, and at least 93.7% of the US military budget is spent on "Global Defence"?
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"Seriously do I as a American need to pay taxes to support other countries defense yes or no? A viable solution would be greatly appreciated. It's a simplistic question.
2200 usd per person for global defense per person here can go a long way. Yet our society are the villains. I not projecting America exceptionality I stating fact that I disagree with there is no need
Are you saying ALL of the US Military budget is spent on Global Defense? do you match our gdp output?
That isn't relevant, you claimed the US spends 2200 per person on "global defence" The US population is 329.5 million x 2200 = $724.9 Billion which is close enough to the ENTIRE US military budget.
Are you saying this is accurate, and at least 93.7% of the US military budget is spent on "Global Defence"?
it is accurate is it not ?"
No it isn't even close to accurate.
$113.1 billion for example goes to the department of veteran's affairs which has nothing to do with global defence. Homeland security gets 54.9 billion of it, and that is a purely domestic spend.
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"Seriously do I as a American need to pay taxes to support other countries defense yes or no? A viable solution would be greatly appreciated. It's a simplistic question.
2200 usd per person for global defense per person here can go a long way. Yet our society are the villains. I not projecting America exceptionality I stating fact that I disagree with there is no need
Are you saying ALL of the US Military budget is spent on Global Defense? do you match our gdp output?
That isn't relevant, you claimed the US spends 2200 per person on "global defence" The US population is 329.5 million x 2200 = $724.9 Billion which is close enough to the ENTIRE US military budget.
Are you saying this is accurate, and at least 93.7% of the US military budget is spent on "Global Defence"?
it is accurate is it not ?"
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"Seriously do I as a American need to pay taxes to support other countries defense yes or no? A viable solution would be greatly appreciated. It's a simplistic question.
2200 usd per person for global defense per person here can go a long way. Yet our society are the villains. I not projecting America exceptionality I stating fact that I disagree with there is no need
Are you saying ALL of the US Military budget is spent on Global Defense? do you match our gdp output?
That isn't relevant, you claimed the US spends 2200 per person on "global defence" The US population is 329.5 million x 2200 = $724.9 Billion which is close enough to the ENTIRE US military budget.
Are you saying this is accurate, and at least 93.7% of the US military budget is spent on "Global Defence"?
it is accurate is it not ? bases equipment .. carriers... Global projection "
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"Seriously do I as a American need to pay taxes to support other countries defense yes or no? A viable solution would be greatly appreciated. It's a simplistic question.
2200 usd per person for global defense per person here can go a long way. Yet our society are the villains. I not projecting America exceptionality I stating fact that I disagree with there is no need
Are you saying ALL of the US Military budget is spent on Global Defense? do you match our gdp output?
That isn't relevant, you claimed the US spends 2200 per person on "global defence" The US population is 329.5 million x 2200 = $724.9 Billion which is close enough to the ENTIRE US military budget.
Are you saying this is accurate, and at least 93.7% of the US military budget is spent on "Global Defence"?
it is accurate is it not ? bases equipment .. carriers... Global projection
Space force "
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"Seriously do I as a American need to pay taxes to support other countries defense yes or no? A viable solution would be greatly appreciated. It's a simplistic question.
2200 usd per person for global defense per person here can go a long way. Yet our society are the villains. I not projecting America exceptionality I stating fact that I disagree with there is no need
Are you saying ALL of the US Military budget is spent on Global Defense? do you match our gdp output?
That isn't relevant, you claimed the US spends 2200 per person on "global defence" The US population is 329.5 million x 2200 = $724.9 Billion which is close enough to the ENTIRE US military budget.
Are you saying this is accurate, and at least 93.7% of the US military budget is spent on "Global Defence"?
it is accurate is it not ? bases equipment .. carriers... Global projection
Space force
good point that's another 18.2 billion which cannot realistically be said to have anything to do with global defense!"
Soft power projection. |
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"Seriously do I as a American need to pay taxes to support other countries defense yes or no? A viable solution would be greatly appreciated. It's a simplistic question.
2200 usd per person for global defense per person here can go a long way. Yet our society are the villains. I not projecting America exceptionality I stating fact that I disagree with there is no need
Are you saying ALL of the US Military budget is spent on Global Defense? do you match our gdp output?
That isn't relevant, you claimed the US spends 2200 per person on "global defence" The US population is 329.5 million x 2200 = $724.9 Billion which is close enough to the ENTIRE US military budget.
Are you saying this is accurate, and at least 93.7% of the US military budget is spent on "Global Defence"?
it is accurate is it not ? bases equipment .. carriers... Global projection
Space force
good point that's another 18.2 billion which cannot realistically be said to have anything to do with global defense!
Soft power projection."
our latest budget is 801 billion |
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"Seriously do I as a American need to pay taxes to support other countries defense yes or no? A viable solution would be greatly appreciated. It's a simplistic question.
2200 usd per person for global defense per person here can go a long way. Yet our society are the villains. I not projecting America exceptionality I stating fact that I disagree with there is no need
Are you saying ALL of the US Military budget is spent on Global Defense? do you match our gdp output?
That isn't relevant, you claimed the US spends 2200 per person on "global defence" The US population is 329.5 million x 2200 = $724.9 Billion which is close enough to the ENTIRE US military budget.
Are you saying this is accurate, and at least 93.7% of the US military budget is spent on "Global Defence"?
it is accurate is it not ? bases equipment .. carriers... Global projection
Space force
good point that's another 18.2 billion which cannot realistically be said to have anything to do with global defense!
Soft power projection. our latest budget is 801 billion "
Ok so 90.4% still a ludicrous assertion that that much of the budget is "global defence"
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"Seriously do I as a American need to pay taxes to support other countries defense yes or no? A viable solution would be greatly appreciated. It's a simplistic question.
2200 usd per person for global defense per person here can go a long way. Yet our society are the villains. I not projecting America exceptionality I stating fact that I disagree with there is no need
Are you saying ALL of the US Military budget is spent on Global Defense? do you match our gdp output?
That isn't relevant, you claimed the US spends 2200 per person on "global defence" The US population is 329.5 million x 2200 = $724.9 Billion which is close enough to the ENTIRE US military budget.
Are you saying this is accurate, and at least 93.7% of the US military budget is spent on "Global Defence"?
it is accurate is it not ? bases equipment .. carriers... Global projection
Space force
good point that's another 18.2 billion which cannot realistically be said to have anything to do with global defense!
Soft power projection. our latest budget is 801 billion
Ok so 90.4% still a ludicrous assertion that that much of the budget is "global defence"
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"Seriously do I as a American need to pay taxes to support other countries defense yes or no? A viable solution would be greatly appreciated. It's a simplistic question.
2200 usd per person for global defense per person here can go a long way. Yet our society are the villains. I not projecting America exceptionality I stating fact that I disagree with there is no need
Are you saying ALL of the US Military budget is spent on Global Defense? do you match our gdp output?
That isn't relevant, you claimed the US spends 2200 per person on "global defence" The US population is 329.5 million x 2200 = $724.9 Billion which is close enough to the ENTIRE US military budget.
Are you saying this is accurate, and at least 93.7% of the US military budget is spent on "Global Defence"?
it is accurate is it not ? bases equipment .. carriers... Global projection
Space force
good point that's another 18.2 billion which cannot realistically be said to have anything to do with global defense!
Soft power projection. our latest budget is 801 billion
Ok so 90.4% still a ludicrous assertion that that much of the budget is "global defence"
What is all the carriers and bases for then showmanship ? Wouldn't it be more prudent in your eyes to just fall back and take care of our own ? "
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"Seriously do I as a American need to pay taxes to support other countries defense yes or no? A viable solution would be greatly appreciated. It's a simplistic question.
2200 usd per person for global defense per person here can go a long way. Yet our society are the villains. I not projecting America exceptionality I stating fact that I disagree with there is no need
Are you saying ALL of the US Military budget is spent on Global Defense? do you match our gdp output?
That isn't relevant, you claimed the US spends 2200 per person on "global defence" The US population is 329.5 million x 2200 = $724.9 Billion which is close enough to the ENTIRE US military budget.
Are you saying this is accurate, and at least 93.7% of the US military budget is spent on "Global Defence"?
it is accurate is it not ? bases equipment .. carriers... Global projection
Space force
good point that's another 18.2 billion which cannot realistically be said to have anything to do with global defense!
Soft power projection. our latest budget is 801 billion
Ok so 90.4% still a ludicrous assertion that that much of the budget is "global defence"
What is all the carriers and bases for then showmanship ? Wouldn't it be more prudent in your eyes to just fall back and take care of our own ?
constantly changing the goalposts of your argument and asking tangential questions just weakens your argument."
my goalposts are the same is American first policy good or bad? Isolation? |
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"Seriously do I as a American need to pay taxes to support other countries defense yes or no? A viable solution would be greatly appreciated. It's a simplistic question.
2200 usd per person for global defense per person here can go a long way. Yet our society are the villains. I not projecting America exceptionality I stating fact that I disagree with there is no need
Are you saying ALL of the US Military budget is spent on Global Defense? do you match our gdp output?
That isn't relevant, you claimed the US spends 2200 per person on "global defence" The US population is 329.5 million x 2200 = $724.9 Billion which is close enough to the ENTIRE US military budget.
Are you saying this is accurate, and at least 93.7% of the US military budget is spent on "Global Defence"?
it is accurate is it not ? bases equipment .. carriers... Global projection
Space force
good point that's another 18.2 billion which cannot realistically be said to have anything to do with global defense!
Soft power projection. our latest budget is 801 billion
Ok so 90.4% still a ludicrous assertion that that much of the budget is "global defence"
What is all the carriers and bases for then showmanship ? Wouldn't it be more prudent in your eyes to just fall back and take care of our own ?
constantly changing the goalposts of your argument and asking tangential questions just weakens your argument. my goalposts are the same is American first policy good or bad? Isolation? "
But America has NEVER done an america first policy, and what someone THINKS they should do has NO bearing whatsoever on the REAL WORLD policies of the US government.
This topic is about those real world policies and how they play out in the real world. |
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"Seriously do I as a American need to pay taxes to support other countries defense yes or no? A viable solution would be greatly appreciated. It's a simplistic question.
2200 usd per person for global defense per person here can go a long way. Yet our society are the villains. I not projecting America exceptionality I stating fact that I disagree with there is no need
Are you saying ALL of the US Military budget is spent on Global Defense? do you match our gdp output?
That isn't relevant, you claimed the US spends 2200 per person on "global defence" The US population is 329.5 million x 2200 = $724.9 Billion which is close enough to the ENTIRE US military budget.
Are you saying this is accurate, and at least 93.7% of the US military budget is spent on "Global Defence"?
it is accurate is it not ? bases equipment .. carriers... Global projection
Space force
good point that's another 18.2 billion which cannot realistically be said to have anything to do with global defense!
Soft power projection. our latest budget is 801 billion
Ok so 90.4% still a ludicrous assertion that that much of the budget is "global defence"
What is all the carriers and bases for then showmanship ? Wouldn't it be more prudent in your eyes to just fall back and take care of our own ?
constantly changing the goalposts of your argument and asking tangential questions just weakens your argument. my goalposts are the same is American first policy good or bad? Isolation?
But America has NEVER done an america first policy, and what someone THINKS they should do has NO bearing whatsoever on the REAL WORLD policies of the US government.
This topic is about those real world policies and how they play out in the real world."
we did pre WW2 maybe you should read our history. |
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"Seriously do I as a American need to pay taxes to support other countries defense yes or no? A viable solution would be greatly appreciated. It's a simplistic question.
2200 usd per person for global defense per person here can go a long way. Yet our society are the villains. I not projecting America exceptionality I stating fact that I disagree with there is no need
Are you saying ALL of the US Military budget is spent on Global Defense? do you match our gdp output?
That isn't relevant, you claimed the US spends 2200 per person on "global defence" The US population is 329.5 million x 2200 = $724.9 Billion which is close enough to the ENTIRE US military budget.
Are you saying this is accurate, and at least 93.7% of the US military budget is spent on "Global Defence"?
it is accurate is it not ? bases equipment .. carriers... Global projection
Space force
good point that's another 18.2 billion which cannot realistically be said to have anything to do with global defense!
Soft power projection. our latest budget is 801 billion
Ok so 90.4% still a ludicrous assertion that that much of the budget is "global defence"
What is all the carriers and bases for then showmanship ? Wouldn't it be more prudent in your eyes to just fall back and take care of our own ?
constantly changing the goalposts of your argument and asking tangential questions just weakens your argument. my goalposts are the same is American first policy good or bad? Isolation?
But America has NEVER done an america first policy, and what someone THINKS they should do has NO bearing whatsoever on the REAL WORLD policies of the US government.
This topic is about those real world policies and how they play out in the real world. we did pre WW2 maybe you should read our history."
the US government has NEVER in its ENTIRE HISTORY had an America First policy, not in practice, it has always exerted its influence around the globe. |
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"Seriously do I as a American need to pay taxes to support other countries defense yes or no? A viable solution would be greatly appreciated. It's a simplistic question.
2200 usd per person for global defense per person here can go a long way. Yet our society are the villains. I not projecting America exceptionality I stating fact that I disagree with there is no need
Are you saying ALL of the US Military budget is spent on Global Defense? do you match our gdp output?
That isn't relevant, you claimed the US spends 2200 per person on "global defence" The US population is 329.5 million x 2200 = $724.9 Billion which is close enough to the ENTIRE US military budget.
Are you saying this is accurate, and at least 93.7% of the US military budget is spent on "Global Defence"?
it is accurate is it not ? bases equipment .. carriers... Global projection
Space force
good point that's another 18.2 billion which cannot realistically be said to have anything to do with global defense!
Soft power projection. our latest budget is 801 billion
Ok so 90.4% still a ludicrous assertion that that much of the budget is "global defence"
What is all the carriers and bases for then showmanship ? Wouldn't it be more prudent in your eyes to just fall back and take care of our own ?
constantly changing the goalposts of your argument and asking tangential questions just weakens your argument. my goalposts are the same is American first policy good or bad? Isolation?
But America has NEVER done an america first policy, and what someone THINKS they should do has NO bearing whatsoever on the REAL WORLD policies of the US government.
This topic is about those real world policies and how they play out in the real world. we did pre WW2 maybe you should read our history.
the US government has NEVER in its ENTIRE HISTORY had an America First policy, not in practice, it has always exerted its influence around the globe."
During the 1930s, the combination of the Great Depression and the memory of tragic losses in World War I contributed to pushing American public opinion and policy toward isolationism. Isolationists advocated non-involvement in European and Asian conflicts and non-entanglement in international politics. umm 20 years in Afghanistan and the current situation in Europe and inflation . It's a fantastic adaptation for the general American public is it not ? Quit spending money overseas and apply it to the general public wouldn't you agree? |
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"Seriously do I as a American need to pay taxes to support other countries defense yes or no? A viable solution would be greatly appreciated. It's a simplistic question.
2200 usd per person for global defense per person here can go a long way. Yet our society are the villains. I not projecting America exceptionality I stating fact that I disagree with there is no need
Are you saying ALL of the US Military budget is spent on Global Defense? do you match our gdp output?
That isn't relevant, you claimed the US spends 2200 per person on "global defence" The US population is 329.5 million x 2200 = $724.9 Billion which is close enough to the ENTIRE US military budget.
Are you saying this is accurate, and at least 93.7% of the US military budget is spent on "Global Defence"?
it is accurate is it not ? bases equipment .. carriers... Global projection
Space force
good point that's another 18.2 billion which cannot realistically be said to have anything to do with global defense!
Soft power projection. our latest budget is 801 billion
Ok so 90.4% still a ludicrous assertion that that much of the budget is "global defence"
What is all the carriers and bases for then showmanship ? Wouldn't it be more prudent in your eyes to just fall back and take care of our own ?
constantly changing the goalposts of your argument and asking tangential questions just weakens your argument. my goalposts are the same is American first policy good or bad? Isolation?
But America has NEVER done an america first policy, and what someone THINKS they should do has NO bearing whatsoever on the REAL WORLD policies of the US government.
This topic is about those real world policies and how they play out in the real world. we did pre WW2 maybe you should read our history.
the US government has NEVER in its ENTIRE HISTORY had an America First policy, not in practice, it has always exerted its influence around the globe.
During the 1930s, the combination of the Great Depression and the memory of tragic losses in World War I contributed to pushing American public opinion and policy toward isolationism. Isolationists advocated non-involvement in European and Asian conflicts and non-entanglement in international politics. umm 20 years in Afghanistan and the current situation in Europe and inflation . It's a fantastic adaptation for the general American public is it not ? Quit spending money overseas and apply it to the general public wouldn't you agree? "
Towards Isolation =/= Isolation the US still exerted its influence around the globe regardless of what certain groups advocated. |
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"Seriously do I as a American need to pay taxes to support other countries defense yes or no? A viable solution would be greatly appreciated. It's a simplistic question.
2200 usd per person for global defense per person here can go a long way. Yet our society are the villains. I not projecting America exceptionality I stating fact that I disagree with there is no need
Are you saying ALL of the US Military budget is spent on Global Defense? do you match our gdp output?
That isn't relevant, you claimed the US spends 2200 per person on "global defence" The US population is 329.5 million x 2200 = $724.9 Billion which is close enough to the ENTIRE US military budget.
Are you saying this is accurate, and at least 93.7% of the US military budget is spent on "Global Defence"?
it is accurate is it not ? bases equipment .. carriers... Global projection
Space force
good point that's another 18.2 billion which cannot realistically be said to have anything to do with global defense!
Soft power projection. our latest budget is 801 billion
Ok so 90.4% still a ludicrous assertion that that much of the budget is "global defence"
What is all the carriers and bases for then showmanship ? Wouldn't it be more prudent in your eyes to just fall back and take care of our own ?
constantly changing the goalposts of your argument and asking tangential questions just weakens your argument. my goalposts are the same is American first policy good or bad? Isolation?
But America has NEVER done an america first policy, and what someone THINKS they should do has NO bearing whatsoever on the REAL WORLD policies of the US government.
This topic is about those real world policies and how they play out in the real world. we did pre WW2 maybe you should read our history.
the US government has NEVER in its ENTIRE HISTORY had an America First policy, not in practice, it has always exerted its influence around the globe.
During the 1930s, the combination of the Great Depression and the memory of tragic losses in World War I contributed to pushing American public opinion and policy toward isolationism. Isolationists advocated non-involvement in European and Asian conflicts and non-entanglement in international politics. umm 20 years in Afghanistan and the current situation in Europe and inflation . It's a fantastic adaptation for the general American public is it not ? Quit spending money overseas and apply it to the general public wouldn't you agree?
Towards Isolation =/= Isolation the US still exerted its influence around the globe regardless of what certain groups advocated."
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"Seriously do I as a American need to pay taxes to support other countries defense yes or no? A viable solution would be greatly appreciated. It's a simplistic question.
2200 usd per person for global defense per person here can go a long way. Yet our society are the villains. I not projecting America exceptionality I stating fact that I disagree with there is no need
Are you saying ALL of the US Military budget is spent on Global Defense? do you match our gdp output?
That isn't relevant, you claimed the US spends 2200 per person on "global defence" The US population is 329.5 million x 2200 = $724.9 Billion which is close enough to the ENTIRE US military budget.
Are you saying this is accurate, and at least 93.7% of the US military budget is spent on "Global Defence"?
it is accurate is it not ? bases equipment .. carriers... Global projection
Space force
good point that's another 18.2 billion which cannot realistically be said to have anything to do with global defense!
Soft power projection. our latest budget is 801 billion
Ok so 90.4% still a ludicrous assertion that that much of the budget is "global defence"
What is all the carriers and bases for then showmanship ? Wouldn't it be more prudent in your eyes to just fall back and take care of our own ?
constantly changing the goalposts of your argument and asking tangential questions just weakens your argument. my goalposts are the same is American first policy good or bad? Isolation?
But America has NEVER done an america first policy, and what someone THINKS they should do has NO bearing whatsoever on the REAL WORLD policies of the US government.
This topic is about those real world policies and how they play out in the real world. we did pre WW2 maybe you should read our history.
the US government has NEVER in its ENTIRE HISTORY had an America First policy, not in practice, it has always exerted its influence around the globe.
During the 1930s, the combination of the Great Depression and the memory of tragic losses in World War I contributed to pushing American public opinion and policy toward isolationism. Isolationists advocated non-involvement in European and Asian conflicts and non-entanglement in international politics. umm 20 years in Afghanistan and the current situation in Europe and inflation . It's a fantastic adaptation for the general American public is it not ? Quit spending money overseas and apply it to the general public wouldn't you agree?
Towards Isolation =/= Isolation the US still exerted its influence around the globe regardless of what certain groups advocated.
Is it a policy we should adopt yes or no ? Simple question? "
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"Seriously do I as a American need to pay taxes to support other countries defense yes or no? A viable solution would be greatly appreciated. It's a simplistic question.
2200 usd per person for global defense per person here can go a long way. Yet our society are the villains. I not projecting America exceptionality I stating fact that I disagree with there is no need
Are you saying ALL of the US Military budget is spent on Global Defense? do you match our gdp output?
That isn't relevant, you claimed the US spends 2200 per person on "global defence" The US population is 329.5 million x 2200 = $724.9 Billion which is close enough to the ENTIRE US military budget.
Are you saying this is accurate, and at least 93.7% of the US military budget is spent on "Global Defence"?
it is accurate is it not ? bases equipment .. carriers... Global projection
Space force
good point that's another 18.2 billion which cannot realistically be said to have anything to do with global defense!
Soft power projection. our latest budget is 801 billion
Ok so 90.4% still a ludicrous assertion that that much of the budget is "global defence"
What is all the carriers and bases for then showmanship ? Wouldn't it be more prudent in your eyes to just fall back and take care of our own ?
constantly changing the goalposts of your argument and asking tangential questions just weakens your argument. my goalposts are the same is American first policy good or bad? Isolation?
But America has NEVER done an america first policy, and what someone THINKS they should do has NO bearing whatsoever on the REAL WORLD policies of the US government.
This topic is about those real world policies and how they play out in the real world. we did pre WW2 maybe you should read our history.
the US government has NEVER in its ENTIRE HISTORY had an America First policy, not in practice, it has always exerted its influence around the globe.
During the 1930s, the combination of the Great Depression and the memory of tragic losses in World War I contributed to pushing American public opinion and policy toward isolationism. Isolationists advocated non-involvement in European and Asian conflicts and non-entanglement in international politics. umm 20 years in Afghanistan and the current situation in Europe and inflation . It's a fantastic adaptation for the general American public is it not ? Quit spending money overseas and apply it to the general public wouldn't you agree?
Towards Isolation =/= Isolation the US still exerted its influence around the globe regardless of what certain groups advocated.
Is it a policy we should adopt yes or no ? Simple question?
It is an irrelevant question to this thread and a deflection"
I not deflecting I value your opinion I stated isolationism is it a better option to not spend money on global problems and take care of the population. Simple yes or no. I not the one not giving to a simple answer you the one deflecting. |
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"Seriously do I as a American need to pay taxes to support other countries defense yes or no? A viable solution would be greatly appreciated. It's a simplistic question.
2200 usd per person for global defense per person here can go a long way. Yet our society are the villains. I not projecting America exceptionality I stating fact that I disagree with there is no need
Are you saying ALL of the US Military budget is spent on Global Defense? do you match our gdp output?
That isn't relevant, you claimed the US spends 2200 per person on "global defence" The US population is 329.5 million x 2200 = $724.9 Billion which is close enough to the ENTIRE US military budget.
Are you saying this is accurate, and at least 93.7% of the US military budget is spent on "Global Defence"?
it is accurate is it not ? bases equipment .. carriers... Global projection
Space force
good point that's another 18.2 billion which cannot realistically be said to have anything to do with global defense!
Soft power projection. our latest budget is 801 billion
Ok so 90.4% still a ludicrous assertion that that much of the budget is "global defence"
What is all the carriers and bases for then showmanship ? Wouldn't it be more prudent in your eyes to just fall back and take care of our own ?
constantly changing the goalposts of your argument and asking tangential questions just weakens your argument. my goalposts are the same is American first policy good or bad? Isolation?
But America has NEVER done an america first policy, and what someone THINKS they should do has NO bearing whatsoever on the REAL WORLD policies of the US government.
This topic is about those real world policies and how they play out in the real world. we did pre WW2 maybe you should read our history.
the US government has NEVER in its ENTIRE HISTORY had an America First policy, not in practice, it has always exerted its influence around the globe.
During the 1930s, the combination of the Great Depression and the memory of tragic losses in World War I contributed to pushing American public opinion and policy toward isolationism. Isolationists advocated non-involvement in European and Asian conflicts and non-entanglement in international politics. umm 20 years in Afghanistan and the current situation in Europe and inflation . It's a fantastic adaptation for the general American public is it not ? Quit spending money overseas and apply it to the general public wouldn't you agree?
Towards Isolation =/= Isolation the US still exerted its influence around the globe regardless of what certain groups advocated.
Is it a policy we should adopt yes or no ? Simple question?
It is an irrelevant question to this thread and a deflection I not deflecting I value your opinion I stated isolationism is it a better option to not spend money on global problems and take care of the population. Simple yes or no. I not the one not giving to a simple answer you the one deflecting. "
American Isolationism doesnt have anything to do with the question as to who is the bigger threat between Russia and China.
If you want to have a conversation about the merits of American Isolationism, start a thread on it and I will answer happily. Here it has been a dozen posts+ of dragging the conversation away from the central point. |
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I’ve been lucky enough to visit China many times over the last 25 years. I have seen some amazing things and met so many wonderful people. On boarding the plane to come home I would reflect on the incredible nature and endeavour of the people. A real ‘get up and go’ spirit. They want things to be better and they will work fucking hard for it. My trips were to visit factories. The women in particular were inspirational. They are a smart lot and will shape a better China.
It also made me appreciate what we have here.
I have also visited Russia. I was surprised by how patriotic they are, that was a surprise but I don’t know why. It seems they feel very entitled even though most of them have fuck all. Perhaps resigned to the fact they have been fucked over for generations.
I have made lifelong friendships with some Chinese people, I’ve yet to meet a Russian I liked.
So, Russia is the biggest threat as they have little to lose. China - based on size alone will impact us more and more.
Napoleon said “China is a sleeping giant, let her sleep as when she wakes she will shake the world”. |
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