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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Didn't most of the North of England vote for brexit? Doesn't Scotland want to rejoin the EU?
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yeah but we have a cunning plan to get independence from them after |
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By *orny PTMan
over a year ago
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"Didn't most of the North of England vote for brexit? Doesn't Scotland want to rejoin the EU?
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Leave one union to join another, how does that make you independent?
James the first wasn't, Scotlands had one or two before that one, he was only the first in England
Elizabeth the first, one was a Tudor daughter, the other wasn't but did fall in love in Balmoral. |
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"Can England have a referendum about whether Scotland can stay in the union?
Please do, since this now appears to be an involuntary Union. "
Without wishing to sound like a broken record... you had your vote  |
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"Can England have a referendum about whether Scotland can stay in the union?
Please do, since this now appears to be an involuntary Union.
Without wishing to sound like a broken record... you had your vote "
By that reasoning, you'll be happy having a Conservative government forever then? |
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"Can England have a referendum about whether Scotland can stay in the union?
Please do, since this now appears to be an involuntary Union.
Without wishing to sound like a broken record... you had your vote
By that reasoning, you'll be happy having a Conservative government forever then?"
It was pretty clear that it was a "once in a generation" referendum when it happened, it was a fair vote and the decision was made. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Justice to scotland 
Justice? What do you mean. Yes, that is what they want, so hoping they can get it
That is what they want? They had a vote..."
And Judges in the Supreme court made a ruling the other day, on a point of law, thst Scotland can not have another referrendum without Westminster consent, so, strictly speaking, they have their Justice |
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Why brake up the union?
Is it just out of spite and an age old silly dislike for the English?
Surly together we are stinger if we choose to be?
I thought it was the wish of pretty much most Scott’s to be independent but having spoke to a fair few, they absolutely disagree. |
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"Why brake up the union?
Is it just out of spite and an age old silly dislike for the English?
Surly together we are stinger if we choose to be?
I thought it was the wish of pretty much most Scott’s to be independent but having spoke to a fair few, they absolutely disagree."
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Why brake up the union?
Is it just out of spite and an age old silly dislike for the English?
Surly together we are stinger if we choose to be?
I thought it was the wish of pretty much most Scott’s to be independent but having spoke to a fair few, they absolutely disagree."
no.
its the believe westminister policies do not represent the view of the Scottish majority (e.g conservative government, nuclear weapons, brexit etc etc) and devolution is not enough.
how we'd pay to be an independent state has never clearly been thoughtout... 20yrs ago it was easy - oil and gas - now less so...
just hope the public are informed at the next general election with facts...
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Can we come with you? 
Signed the north of england "
Sure! Mon up !
Thing is the ruling isn't a loss for independence. As with most things Westminster gets involved in, it just boosts support. People don't like being told they're not allowed to do things, it gets backs up, so a very public confirmation that Scotland's democratic will is redundant is a good thing really when it comes to keeping momentum going.
Treat it as two separate issues:
1. Should Scotland be independent? You could have a million reasons why you don't agree they should, totally fair enough
2. Should they at least be allowed to decide themselves? Can't see how anyone can argue against that. |
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"Why brake up the union?
Is it just out of spite and an age old silly dislike for the English?
Surly together we are stinger if we choose to be?
I thought it was the wish of pretty much most Scott’s to be independent but having spoke to a fair few, they absolutely disagree.
no.
its the believe westminister policies do not represent the view of the Scottish majority (e.g conservative government, nuclear weapons, brexit etc etc) and devolution is not enough.
how we'd pay to be an independent state has never clearly been thoughtout... 20yrs ago it was easy - oil and gas - now less so...
just hope the public are informed at the next general election with facts...
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Yes I see…thank you. |
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"Can we come with you?
Signed the north of england
Sure! Mon up !
Thing is the ruling isn't a loss for independence. As with most things Westminster gets involved in, it just boosts support. People don't like being told they're not allowed to do things, it gets backs up, so a very public confirmation that Scotland's democratic will is redundant is a good thing really when it comes to keeping momentum going.
Treat it as two separate issues:
1. Should Scotland be independent? You could have a million reasons why you don't agree they should, totally fair enough
2. Should they at least be allowed to decide themselves? Can't see how anyone can argue against that. "
We decided years ago but obviously not to her liking. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Can England have a referendum about whether Scotland can stay in the union?
Please do, since this now appears to be an involuntary Union.
Without wishing to sound like a broken record... you had your vote
By that reasoning, you'll be happy having a Conservative government forever then?"
If that's what the majority of the country votes for that's what we have. Do you know what democracy is? |
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"Can England have a referendum about whether Scotland can stay in the union?
Please do, since this now appears to be an involuntary Union.
Without wishing to sound like a broken record... you had your vote
By that reasoning, you'll be happy having a Conservative government forever then?
If that's what the majority of the country votes for that's what we have. Do you know what democracy is? "
I didn't think it was just a one time only vote |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Can England have a referendum about whether Scotland can stay in the union?
Please do, since this now appears to be an involuntary Union.
Without wishing to sound like a broken record... you had your vote
By that reasoning, you'll be happy having a Conservative government forever then?
If that's what the majority of the country votes for that's what we have. Do you know what democracy is? "
Hmm I half agree. That's what we have...until the next vote. We're just trying to figure when the next vote is. |
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"Can England have a referendum about whether Scotland can stay in the union?
Please do, since this now appears to be an involuntary Union.
Without wishing to sound like a broken record... you had your vote
By that reasoning, you'll be happy having a Conservative government forever then?
If that's what the majority of the country votes for that's what we have. Do you know what democracy is?
Hmm I half agree. That's what we have...until the next vote. We're just trying to figure when the next vote is. "
There should not be a next vote. Afterall, the last time was a once in a lifetime opportunity to vote. Words spoken by Nicola Sturgeon herself. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Can England have a referendum about whether Scotland can stay in the union?
Please do, since this now appears to be an involuntary Union.
Without wishing to sound like a broken record... you had your vote
By that reasoning, you'll be happy having a Conservative government forever then?
If that's what the majority of the country votes for that's what we have. Do you know what democracy is?
Hmm I half agree. That's what we have...until the next vote. We're just trying to figure when the next vote is.
There should not be a next vote. Afterall, the last time was a once in a lifetime opportunity to vote. Words spoken by Nicola Sturgeon herself."
Never? That's silly to say. And nah, they were, kind of, spoken by Alex Salmond (he said Generation, not lifetime). But the decision isn't about either her or him. That was a politicians soundbite, neither precise or binding. If anyone in charge decided to acquiesce to that, people would just start voting for the next person that vowed to go for it. There's so many peripheral arguments around this and really the core needs to agreed first, when and how can you leave a 'voluntary' union? |
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"Can England have a referendum about whether Scotland can stay in the union?
Please do, since this now appears to be an involuntary Union.
Without wishing to sound like a broken record... you had your vote
By that reasoning, you'll be happy having a Conservative government forever then?
If that's what the majority of the country votes for that's what we have. Do you know what democracy is?
Hmm I half agree. That's what we have...until the next vote. We're just trying to figure when the next vote is.
There should not be a next vote. Afterall, the last time was a once in a lifetime opportunity to vote. Words spoken by Nicola Sturgeon herself.
Never? That's silly to say. And nah, they were, kind of, spoken by Alex Salmond (he said Generation, not lifetime). But the decision isn't about either her or him. That was a politicians soundbite, neither precise or binding. If anyone in charge decided to acquiesce to that, people would just start voting for the next person that vowed to go for it. There's so many peripheral arguments around this and really the core needs to agreed first, when and how can you leave a 'voluntary' union? "
Ok, generation. She said it several times. You will see it on YouTube |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Can England have a referendum about whether Scotland can stay in the union?
Please do, since this now appears to be an involuntary Union.
Without wishing to sound like a broken record... you had your vote
By that reasoning, you'll be happy having a Conservative government forever then?
If that's what the majority of the country votes for that's what we have. Do you know what democracy is?
I didn't think it was just a one time only vote "
The Scottish people expected it that to be the case as the sogon for vote leave was "A once in a generation choice" Not we will do it again in 7 years if it doesn't go our way. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Can England have a referendum about whether Scotland can stay in the union?
Please do, since this now appears to be an involuntary Union.
Without wishing to sound like a broken record... you had your vote
By that reasoning, you'll be happy having a Conservative government forever then?
If that's what the majority of the country votes for that's what we have. Do you know what democracy is?
Hmm I half agree. That's what we have...until the next vote. We're just trying to figure when the next vote is.
There should not be a next vote. Afterall, the last time was a once in a lifetime opportunity to vote. Words spoken by Nicola Sturgeon herself.
Never? That's silly to say. And nah, they were, kind of, spoken by Alex Salmond (he said Generation, not lifetime). But the decision isn't about either her or him. That was a politicians soundbite, neither precise or binding. If anyone in charge decided to acquiesce to that, people would just start voting for the next person that vowed to go for it. There's so many peripheral arguments around this and really the core needs to agreed first, when and how can you leave a 'voluntary' union? "
You are aware a generation is 20 years not 7 right? |
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"Can England have a referendum about whether Scotland can stay in the union?
Please do, since this now appears to be an involuntary Union.
Without wishing to sound like a broken record... you had your vote
By that reasoning, you'll be happy having a Conservative government forever then?
If that's what the majority of the country votes for that's what we have. Do you know what democracy is?
Hmm I half agree. That's what we have...until the next vote. We're just trying to figure when the next vote is.
There should not be a next vote. Afterall, the last time was a once in a lifetime opportunity to vote. Words spoken by Nicola Sturgeon herself.
Never? That's silly to say. And nah, they were, kind of, spoken by Alex Salmond (he said Generation, not lifetime). But the decision isn't about either her or him. That was a politicians soundbite, neither precise or binding. If anyone in charge decided to acquiesce to that, people would just start voting for the next person that vowed to go for it. There's so many peripheral arguments around this and really the core needs to agreed first, when and how can you leave a 'voluntary' union?
You are aware a generation is 20 years not 7 right? "
You're aware of what a soundbite is right? |
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"Can England have a referendum about whether Scotland can stay in the union?
Please do, since this now appears to be an involuntary Union.
Without wishing to sound like a broken record... you had your vote
By that reasoning, you'll be happy having a Conservative government forever then?
It was pretty clear that it was a "once in a generation" referendum when it happened, it was a fair vote and the decision was made."
What legal document was once in a generation in? |
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"Can England have a referendum about whether Scotland can stay in the union?
Please do, since this now appears to be an involuntary Union.
Without wishing to sound like a broken record... you had your vote
By that reasoning, you'll be happy having a Conservative government forever then?
If that's what the majority of the country votes for that's what we have. Do you know what democracy is?
Hmm I half agree. That's what we have...until the next vote. We're just trying to figure when the next vote is.
There should not be a next vote. Afterall, the last time was a once in a lifetime opportunity to vote. Words spoken by Nicola Sturgeon herself."
And again what legal document is that in and who signed it? |
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"Can England have a referendum about whether Scotland can stay in the union?
Please do, since this now appears to be an involuntary Union.
Without wishing to sound like a broken record... you had your vote
By that reasoning, you'll be happy having a Conservative government forever then?
If that's what the majority of the country votes for that's what we have. Do you know what democracy is?
Hmm I half agree. That's what we have...until the next vote. We're just trying to figure when the next vote is.
There should not be a next vote. Afterall, the last time was a once in a lifetime opportunity to vote. Words spoken by Nicola Sturgeon herself.
Never? That's silly to say. And nah, they were, kind of, spoken by Alex Salmond (he said Generation, not lifetime). But the decision isn't about either her or him. That was a politicians soundbite, neither precise or binding. If anyone in charge decided to acquiesce to that, people would just start voting for the next person that vowed to go for it. There's so many peripheral arguments around this and really the core needs to agreed first, when and how can you leave a 'voluntary' union?
You are aware a generation is 20 years not 7 right? "
and again what legal document is that in and who signed it? |
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By *innMan
over a year ago
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"Can England have a referendum about whether Scotland can stay in the union?
Please do, since this now appears to be an involuntary Union.
Without wishing to sound like a broken record... you had your vote
By that reasoning, you'll be happy having a Conservative government forever then?
It was pretty clear that it was a "once in a generation" referendum when it happened, it was a fair vote and the decision was made."
The once in a generation statement was taken by the media in an interview of a now disgraced politician. It wasn’t on the voting ballot paper and it wasn’t part of any official agreement between Westminster and Scotland on the rules and conditions for a referendum.
But the debate on the future of Scotland often dissolved into mud slinging.
Interestingly the behaviour of Tory MP’s during the PM’s question time on the court decision was completely out of character as they usually shout down Scottish MP’s. They know that the court decision, which was correct on the question asked, is highly inflammable to the Scottish Independence debate. The premise of the Union supporters has always been that Scotland is an equal partner. The court decision blows this apart. So if Scotland is not an equal partner then what is it within the Union?
A colonial outpost?
A conquered nation?
A subservient people?
The questions now will be about the Union and if it’s a good Union.
If it’s not an equal partnership then it’s a binding contract and that presents a whole different perspective.
The matter will now revolve around the issue of democracy. Since the last Scottish referendum there have been multiple decisions taken by Westminster that Scotlands view were not considered or Scotland ministers were excluded from the negotiations or agreements.
The SNP is a political party whose core objective is an Independent Scotland. Telling the SNP and the voters who put them in power to just get on with running Scotland and forget about Independence will never make this debate go away. The debate will only end if the people in Scotland see the Union as a place they want to be.
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
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"Can England have a referendum about whether Scotland can stay in the union?
Please do, since this now appears to be an involuntary Union.
Without wishing to sound like a broken record... you had your vote
By that reasoning, you'll be happy having a Conservative government forever then?
It was pretty clear that it was a "once in a generation" referendum when it happened, it was a fair vote and the decision was made.
The once in a generation statement was taken by the media in an interview of a now disgraced politician. It wasn’t on the voting ballot paper and it wasn’t part of any official agreement between Westminster and Scotland on the rules and conditions for a referendum.
But the debate on the future of Scotland often dissolved into mud slinging.
Interestingly the behaviour of Tory MP’s during the PM’s question time on the court decision was completely out of character as they usually shout down Scottish MP’s. They know that the court decision, which was correct on the question asked, is highly inflammable to the Scottish Independence debate. The premise of the Union supporters has always been that Scotland is an equal partner. The court decision blows this apart. So if Scotland is not an equal partner then what is it within the Union?
A colonial outpost?
A conquered nation?
A subservient people?
The questions now will be about the Union and if it’s a good Union.
If it’s not an equal partnership then it’s a binding contract and that presents a whole different perspective.
The matter will now revolve around the issue of democracy. Since the last Scottish referendum there have been multiple decisions taken by Westminster that Scotlands view were not considered or Scotland ministers were excluded from the negotiations or agreements.
The SNP is a political party whose core objective is an Independent Scotland. Telling the SNP and the voters who put them in power to just get on with running Scotland and forget about Independence will never make this debate go away. The debate will only end if the people in Scotland see the Union as a place they want to be.
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I think you need to prepare yourself for the actual reality of the situation, Scotland is not going to have a second referendum.
Your boss is finding facts and law a bit confusing.
I would go as far to say, she is making herself look very incompetent. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Can England have a referendum about whether Scotland can stay in the union?
Please do, since this now appears to be an involuntary Union.
Without wishing to sound like a broken record... you had your vote
By that reasoning, you'll be happy having a Conservative government forever then?
It was pretty clear that it was a "once in a generation" referendum when it happened, it was a fair vote and the decision was made.
The once in a generation statement was taken by the media in an interview of a now disgraced politician. It wasn’t on the voting ballot paper and it wasn’t part of any official agreement between Westminster and Scotland on the rules and conditions for a referendum.
But the debate on the future of Scotland often dissolved into mud slinging.
Interestingly the behaviour of Tory MP’s during the PM’s question time on the court decision was completely out of character as they usually shout down Scottish MP’s. They know that the court decision, which was correct on the question asked, is highly inflammable to the Scottish Independence debate. The premise of the Union supporters has always been that Scotland is an equal partner. The court decision blows this apart. So if Scotland is not an equal partner then what is it within the Union?
A colonial outpost?
A conquered nation?
A subservient people?
The questions now will be about the Union and if it’s a good Union.
If it’s not an equal partnership then it’s a binding contract and that presents a whole different perspective.
The matter will now revolve around the issue of democracy. Since the last Scottish referendum there have been multiple decisions taken by Westminster that Scotlands view were not considered or Scotland ministers were excluded from the negotiations or agreements.
The SNP is a political party whose core objective is an Independent Scotland. Telling the SNP and the voters who put them in power to just get on with running Scotland and forget about Independence will never make this debate go away. The debate will only end if the people in Scotland see the Union as a place they want to be.
I think you need to prepare yourself for the actual reality of the situation, Scotland is not going to have a second referendum.
Your boss is finding facts and law a bit confusing.
I would go as far to say, she is making herself look very incompetent."
Isn't it amazing how people can see things so differently !
She played an absolute blinder taking that to court. There was no way to lose.
If found in ScotGov favour- great, let's crack on!
If not, as was the case, Westminster just shredded all their own arguments that the union is voluntary.
It's gonna happen eventually, however it comes about. I'm quite happy with WM dragging things out though as support just keeps edging up all the time, without even any campaigning. Between Brexit, the difference in how the governments run and natural attrition (more young people hitting voting age, and older voters...erm...dropping off), not to mention proof, like the court case, of WM's obfuscation passing people off they're making it so easy man! |
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"Can England have a referendum about whether Scotland can stay in the union?
Please do, since this now appears to be an involuntary Union.
Without wishing to sound like a broken record... you had your vote
By that reasoning, you'll be happy having a Conservative government forever then?"
By that reasoning we should still have the Whigs  |
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By *AFKA HovisMan
over a year ago
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"Can England have a referendum about whether Scotland can stay in the union?
Please do, since this now appears to be an involuntary Union.
Without wishing to sound like a broken record... you had your vote
By that reasoning, you'll be happy having a Conservative government forever then?
It was pretty clear that it was a "once in a generation" referendum when it happened, it was a fair vote and the decision was made.
The once in a generation statement was taken by the media in an interview of a now disgraced politician. It wasn’t on the voting ballot paper and it wasn’t part of any official agreement between Westminster and Scotland on the rules and conditions for a referendum.
But the debate on the future of Scotland often dissolved into mud slinging.
Interestingly the behaviour of Tory MP’s during the PM’s question time on the court decision was completely out of character as they usually shout down Scottish MP’s. They know that the court decision, which was correct on the question asked, is highly inflammable to the Scottish Independence debate. The premise of the Union supporters has always been that Scotland is an equal partner. The court decision blows this apart. So if Scotland is not an equal partner then what is it within the Union?
A colonial outpost?
A conquered nation?
A subservient people?
The questions now will be about the Union and if it’s a good Union.
If it’s not an equal partnership then it’s a binding contract and that presents a whole different perspective.
The matter will now revolve around the issue of democracy. Since the last Scottish referendum there have been multiple decisions taken by Westminster that Scotlands view were not considered or Scotland ministers were excluded from the negotiations or agreements.
The SNP is a political party whose core objective is an Independent Scotland. Telling the SNP and the voters who put them in power to just get on with running Scotland and forget about Independence will never make this debate go away. The debate will only end if the people in Scotland see the Union as a place they want to be.
I think you need to prepare yourself for the actual reality of the situation, Scotland is not going to have a second referendum.
Your boss is finding facts and law a bit confusing.
I would go as far to say, she is making herself look very incompetent.
Isn't it amazing how people can see things so differently !
She played an absolute blinder taking that to court. There was no way to lose.
If found in ScotGov favour- great, let's crack on!
If not, as was the case, Westminster just shredded all their own arguments that the union is voluntary.
It's gonna happen eventually, however it comes about. I'm quite happy with WM dragging things out though as support just keeps edging up all the time, without even any campaigning. Between Brexit, the difference in how the governments run and natural attrition (more young people hitting voting age, and older voters...erm...dropping off), not to mention proof, like the court case, of WM's obfuscation passing people off they're making it so easy man! "
I've not looked at the detail, but I tjoygh the two salient points were:
You aren't Kosovo.
Any referendum would affect rUK and so not a devolved matter.
My question is: what mechanism does rUK have for binning off Scotland? |
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"Can England have a referendum about whether Scotland can stay in the union?
Please do, since this now appears to be an involuntary Union. "
There was a vote in 2014 |
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"Can England have a referendum about whether Scotland can stay in the union?
Please do, since this now appears to be an involuntary Union.
There was a vote in 2014 "
Yep, since then the Scottish people have been ‘forced’ to leave the EU |
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"Can England have a referendum about whether Scotland can stay in the union?
Please do, since this now appears to be an involuntary Union.
There was a vote in 2014
Yep, since then the Scottish people have been ‘forced’ to leave the EU "
So they want to leave one Union to join another. They don't want independence then do they. |
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"Can England have a referendum about whether Scotland can stay in the union?
Please do, since this now appears to be an involuntary Union.
There was a vote in 2014
Yep, since then the Scottish people have been ‘forced’ to leave the EU
So they want to leave one Union to join another. They don't want independence then do they. "
They want to be part of the EU, |
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"Can England have a referendum about whether Scotland can stay in the union?
Please do, since this now appears to be an involuntary Union.
There was a vote in 2014 "
Think you will find there is a document signed by the leaders of all parties during the smith commision talks,it says that nothing should stop scotland becoming an independent country should the ppl of scotland so choose |
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"Can England have a referendum about whether Scotland can stay in the union?
Please do, since this now appears to be an involuntary Union.
There was a vote in 2014
Yep, since then the Scottish people have been ‘forced’ to leave the EU
So they want to leave one Union to join another. They don't want independence then do they. "
We want to join an eu union were we actually have a voice and a say on matters,unlike in westminister |
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"Can England have a referendum about whether Scotland can stay in the union?
Please do, since this now appears to be an involuntary Union.
There was a vote in 2014
Yep, since then the Scottish people have been ‘forced’ to leave the EU
So they want to leave one Union to join another. They don't want independence then do they.
We want to join an eu union were we actually have a voice and a say on matters,unlike in westminister "
Good luck with that!
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"Can England have a referendum about whether Scotland can stay in the union?
Please do, since this now appears to be an involuntary Union.
There was a vote in 2014
Think you will find there is a document signed by the leaders of all parties during the smith commision talks,it says that nothing should stop scotland becoming an independent country should the ppl of scotland so choose "
They chose not to already though. |
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"Can England have a referendum about whether Scotland can stay in the union?
Please do, since this now appears to be an involuntary Union.
There was a vote in 2014
Think you will find there is a document signed by the leaders of all parties during the smith commision talks,it says that nothing should stop scotland becoming an independent country should the ppl of scotland so choose
They chose not to already though. "
Things have changed , they overwhelmingly voted to remain in the EU, they have been ‘forced’ to leave |
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"Can England have a referendum about whether Scotland can stay in the union?
Please do, since this now appears to be an involuntary Union.
There was a vote in 2014
Think you will find there is a document signed by the leaders of all parties during the smith commision talks,it says that nothing should stop scotland becoming an independent country should the ppl of scotland so choose
They chose not to already though.
Things have changed , they overwhelmingly voted to remain in the EU, they have been ‘forced’ to leave "
London also voted overwhelmingly to remain so Does that mean we can have another referendum because we didn't want to leave.
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I don't see the Scottish people really on the whole calling for a second referendum. It's the SNP that wants another referendum because it didn't go their way last time. |
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"Can England have a referendum about whether Scotland can stay in the union?
Please do, since this now appears to be an involuntary Union.
There was a vote in 2014
Think you will find there is a document signed by the leaders of all parties during the smith commision talks,it says that nothing should stop scotland becoming an independent country should the ppl of scotland so choose
They chose not to already though.
Things have changed , they overwhelmingly voted to remain in the EU, they have been ‘forced’ to leave
London also voted overwhelmingly to remain so Does that mean we can have another referendum because we didn't want to leave.
That is not how democracy works. "
London isn’t a country, |
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"Can England have a referendum about whether Scotland can stay in the union?
Please do, since this now appears to be an involuntary Union.
There was a vote in 2014
Think you will find there is a document signed by the leaders of all parties during the smith commision talks,it says that nothing should stop scotland becoming an independent country should the ppl of scotland so choose
They chose not to already though.
Things have changed , they overwhelmingly voted to remain in the EU, they have been ‘forced’ to leave
London also voted overwhelmingly to remain so Does that mean we can have another referendum because we didn't want to leave.
That is not how democracy works.
London isn’t a country, "
But the principles the same let's just redo every vote whenever somebody calls for it because they didn't like the result the 1st time. |
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"Can England have a referendum about whether Scotland can stay in the union?
Please do, since this now appears to be an involuntary Union.
There was a vote in 2014
Think you will find there is a document signed by the leaders of all parties during the smith commision talks,it says that nothing should stop scotland becoming an independent country should the ppl of scotland so choose
They chose not to already though. "
Yes up till now we have but ppl can change their minds so we will see how it goes |
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"Can England have a referendum about whether Scotland can stay in the union?
Please do, since this now appears to be an involuntary Union.
There was a vote in 2014
Think you will find there is a document signed by the leaders of all parties during the smith commision talks,it says that nothing should stop scotland becoming an independent country should the ppl of scotland so choose
They chose not to already though.
Things have changed , they overwhelmingly voted to remain in the EU, they have been ‘forced’ to leave
London also voted overwhelmingly to remain so Does that mean we can have another referendum because we didn't want to leave.
That is not how democracy works. "
London isnt a country |
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"I don't see the Scottish people really on the whole calling for a second referendum. It's the SNP that wants another referendum because it didn't go their way last time. "
polls over last few days show more than half of scots would vote for independence
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"I don't see the Scottish people really on the whole calling for a second referendum. It's the SNP that wants another referendum because it didn't go their way last time. polls over last few days show more than half of scots would vote for independence"
And other polls show the exact opposite. You can get any poll to show exactly be outcome that you want. |
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"Can England have a referendum about whether Scotland can stay in the union?
Please do, since this now appears to be an involuntary Union.
There was a vote in 2014
Think you will find there is a document signed by the leaders of all parties during the smith commision talks,it says that nothing should stop scotland becoming an independent country should the ppl of scotland so choose
They chose not to already though.
Things have changed , they overwhelmingly voted to remain in the EU, they have been ‘forced’ to leave
London also voted overwhelmingly to remain so Does that mean we can have another referendum because we didn't want to leave.
That is not how democracy works.
London isn’t a country,
But the principles the same let's just redo every vote whenever somebody calls for it because they didn't like the result the 1st time. "
Read the smith commision report signed by leaders in every party |
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"Can England have a referendum about whether Scotland can stay in the union?
Please do, since this now appears to be an involuntary Union.
There was a vote in 2014
Think you will find there is a document signed by the leaders of all parties during the smith commision talks,it says that nothing should stop scotland becoming an independent country should the ppl of scotland so choose
They chose not to already though.
Things have changed , they overwhelmingly voted to remain in the EU, they have been ‘forced’ to leave
London also voted overwhelmingly to remain so Does that mean we can have another referendum because we didn't want to leave.
That is not how democracy works.
London isn’t a country,
But the principles the same let's just redo every vote whenever somebody calls for it because they didn't like the result the 1st time. "
No, like I said, London isn’t a country, Scotland was forced to leave the EU against the will of their people |
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And other polls show the exact opposite. You can get any poll to show exactly be outcome that you want. "
when were the polls you mention done |
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"Can England have a referendum about whether Scotland can stay in the union?
Please do, since this now appears to be an involuntary Union.
There was a vote in 2014
Think you will find there is a document signed by the leaders of all parties during the smith commision talks,it says that nothing should stop scotland becoming an independent country should the ppl of scotland so choose
They chose not to already though.
Things have changed , they overwhelmingly voted to remain in the EU, they have been ‘forced’ to leave
London also voted overwhelmingly to remain so Does that mean we can have another referendum because we didn't want to leave.
That is not how democracy works.
London isn’t a country,
But the principles the same let's just redo every vote whenever somebody calls for it because they didn't like the result the 1st time.
Read the smith commision report signed by leaders in every party "
I have and I stand by what I said there has already been a vote and the answer was no. |
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"I don't see the Scottish people really on the whole calling for a second referendum. It's the SNP that wants another referendum because it didn't go their way last time. polls over last few days show more than half of scots would vote for independence
And other polls show the exact opposite. You can get any poll to show exactly be outcome that you want. when were the polls you mention done"
This week. |
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"Can England have a referendum about whether Scotland can stay in the union?
Please do, since this now appears to be an involuntary Union.
There was a vote in 2014
Think you will find there is a document signed by the leaders of all parties during the smith commision talks,it says that nothing should stop scotland becoming an independent country should the ppl of scotland so choose
They chose not to already though.
Things have changed , they overwhelmingly voted to remain in the EU, they have been ‘forced’ to leave
London also voted overwhelmingly to remain so Does that mean we can have another referendum because we didn't want to leave.
That is not how democracy works.
London isn’t a country,
But the principles the same let's just redo every vote whenever somebody calls for it because they didn't like the result the 1st time.
No, like I said, London isn’t a country, Scotland was forced to leave the EU against the will of their people "
No they weren't because they chose to stay as part of this country which means they chose to abide by the decisions made by the country as a whole. |
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"Can England have a referendum about whether Scotland can stay in the union?
Please do, since this now appears to be an involuntary Union.
There was a vote in 2014
Think you will find there is a document signed by the leaders of all parties during the smith commision talks,it says that nothing should stop scotland becoming an independent country should the ppl of scotland so choose
They chose not to already though.
Things have changed , they overwhelmingly voted to remain in the EU, they have been ‘forced’ to leave
London also voted overwhelmingly to remain so Does that mean we can have another referendum because we didn't want to leave.
That is not how democracy works.
London isn’t a country,
But the principles the same let's just redo every vote whenever somebody calls for it because they didn't like the result the 1st time.
Read the smith commision report signed by leaders in every party
I have and I stand by what I said there has already been a vote and the answer was no. "
and things have changed ,so your saying there should never be a vote again because we had one 8yrs ago ? |
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By *AFKA HovisMan
over a year ago
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"Can England have a referendum about whether Scotland can stay in the union?
Please do, since this now appears to be an involuntary Union.
There was a vote in 2014
Think you will find there is a document signed by the leaders of all parties during the smith commision talks,it says that nothing should stop scotland becoming an independent country should the ppl of scotland so choose
They chose not to already though.
Things have changed , they overwhelmingly voted to remain in the EU, they have been ‘forced’ to leave
London also voted overwhelmingly to remain so Does that mean we can have another referendum because we didn't want to leave.
That is not how democracy works.
London isn’t a country,
But the principles the same let's just redo every vote whenever somebody calls for it because they didn't like the result the 1st time.
No, like I said, London isn’t a country, Scotland was forced to leave the EU against the will of their people
No they weren't because they chose to stay as part of this country which means they chose to abide by the decisions made by the country as a whole. "
this. It's also not clear everyone who votes to remain would chose the EU over the rUK. There's a lot of arguments that were made for remain that are stronger when made about the Union. |
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"Can England have a referendum about whether Scotland can stay in the union?
Please do, since this now appears to be an involuntary Union.
There was a vote in 2014
Think you will find there is a document signed by the leaders of all parties during the smith commision talks,it says that nothing should stop scotland becoming an independent country should the ppl of scotland so choose
They chose not to already though.
Things have changed , they overwhelmingly voted to remain in the EU, they have been ‘forced’ to leave
London also voted overwhelmingly to remain so Does that mean we can have another referendum because we didn't want to leave.
That is not how democracy works.
London isn’t a country,
But the principles the same let's just redo every vote whenever somebody calls for it because they didn't like the result the 1st time.
No, like I said, London isn’t a country, Scotland was forced to leave the EU against the will of their people
No they weren't because they chose to stay as part of this country which means they chose to abide by the decisions made by the country as a whole. "
Wrong, Brexit changed everything, they should be given another referendum, |
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"Can England have a referendum about whether Scotland can stay in the union?
Please do, since this now appears to be an involuntary Union.
There was a vote in 2014
Think you will find there is a document signed by the leaders of all parties during the smith commision talks,it says that nothing should stop scotland becoming an independent country should the ppl of scotland so choose
They chose not to already though.
Things have changed , they overwhelmingly voted to remain in the EU, they have been ‘forced’ to leave
London also voted overwhelmingly to remain so Does that mean we can have another referendum because we didn't want to leave.
That is not how democracy works.
London isn’t a country,
But the principles the same let's just redo every vote whenever somebody calls for it because they didn't like the result the 1st time.
No, like I said, London isn’t a country, Scotland was forced to leave the EU against the will of their people
No they weren't because they chose to stay as part of this country which means they chose to abide by the decisions made by the country as a whole. this. It's also not clear everyone who votes to remain would chose the EU over the rUK. There's a lot of arguments that were made for remain that are stronger when made about the Union. "
I agree, there is only one way to find out though |
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"Can England have a referendum about whether Scotland can stay in the union?
Please do, since this now appears to be an involuntary Union.
There was a vote in 2014
Think you will find there is a document signed by the leaders of all parties during the smith commision talks,it says that nothing should stop scotland becoming an independent country should the ppl of scotland so choose
They chose not to already though.
Things have changed , they overwhelmingly voted to remain in the EU, they have been ‘forced’ to leave
London also voted overwhelmingly to remain so Does that mean we can have another referendum because we didn't want to leave.
That is not how democracy works.
London isn’t a country,
But the principles the same let's just redo every vote whenever somebody calls for it because they didn't like the result the 1st time.
No, like I said, London isn’t a country, Scotland was forced to leave the EU against the will of their people
No they weren't because they chose to stay as part of this country which means they chose to abide by the decisions made by the country as a whole.
Wrong, Brexit changed everything, they should be given another referendum, "
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"Can England have a referendum about whether Scotland can stay in the union?
Please do, since this now appears to be an involuntary Union.
There was a vote in 2014
Think you will find there is a document signed by the leaders of all parties during the smith commision talks,it says that nothing should stop scotland becoming an independent country should the ppl of scotland so choose
They chose not to already though.
Things have changed , they overwhelmingly voted to remain in the EU, they have been ‘forced’ to leave
London also voted overwhelmingly to remain so Does that mean we can have another referendum because we didn't want to leave.
That is not how democracy works.
London isn’t a country,
But the principles the same let's just redo every vote whenever somebody calls for it because they didn't like the result the 1st time.
No, like I said, London isn’t a country, Scotland was forced to leave the EU against the will of their people
No they weren't because they chose to stay as part of this country which means they chose to abide by the decisions made by the country as a whole. "
Your the only person ive heard say we wernt taken out eu against our will,by your reckoning we shouldnt even have voted as our voice doesnt count |
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"Can England have a referendum about whether Scotland can stay in the union?
Please do, since this now appears to be an involuntary Union.
There was a vote in 2014
Think you will find there is a document signed by the leaders of all parties during the smith commision talks,it says that nothing should stop scotland becoming an independent country should the ppl of scotland so choose
They chose not to already though.
Things have changed , they overwhelmingly voted to remain in the EU, they have been ‘forced’ to leave
London also voted overwhelmingly to remain so Does that mean we can have another referendum because we didn't want to leave.
That is not how democracy works.
London isn’t a country,
But the principles the same let's just redo every vote whenever somebody calls for it because they didn't like the result the 1st time.
No, like I said, London isn’t a country, Scotland was forced to leave the EU against the will of their people
No they weren't because they chose to stay as part of this country which means they chose to abide by the decisions made by the country as a whole.
Wrong, Brexit changed everything, they should be given another referendum,
And what if the answer is the same will there be another one in another 8 years? "
Then we will know that the Scottish people would prefer to be in the union rather than the EU |
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"Can England have a referendum about whether Scotland can stay in the union?
Please do, since this now appears to be an involuntary Union.
There was a vote in 2014
Think you will find there is a document signed by the leaders of all parties during the smith commision talks,it says that nothing should stop scotland becoming an independent country should the ppl of scotland so choose
They chose not to already though.
Things have changed , they overwhelmingly voted to remain in the EU, they have been ‘forced’ to leave
London also voted overwhelmingly to remain so Does that mean we can have another referendum because we didn't want to leave.
That is not how democracy works.
London isn’t a country,
But the principles the same let's just redo every vote whenever somebody calls for it because they didn't like the result the 1st time.
No, like I said, London isn’t a country, Scotland was forced to leave the EU against the will of their people
No they weren't because they chose to stay as part of this country which means they chose to abide by the decisions made by the country as a whole.
Wrong, Brexit changed everything, they should be given another referendum,
And what if the answer is the same will there be another one in another 8 years? "
If thats what the ppl vote for then yes its called democracy |
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By *AFKA HovisMan
over a year ago
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"Can England have a referendum about whether Scotland can stay in the union?
Please do, since this now appears to be an involuntary Union.
There was a vote in 2014
Think you will find there is a document signed by the leaders of all parties during the smith commision talks,it says that nothing should stop scotland becoming an independent country should the ppl of scotland so choose
They chose not to already though.
Things have changed , they overwhelmingly voted to remain in the EU, they have been ‘forced’ to leave
London also voted overwhelmingly to remain so Does that mean we can have another referendum because we didn't want to leave.
That is not how democracy works.
London isn’t a country,
But the principles the same let's just redo every vote whenever somebody calls for it because they didn't like the result the 1st time.
No, like I said, London isn’t a country, Scotland was forced to leave the EU against the will of their people
No they weren't because they chose to stay as part of this country which means they chose to abide by the decisions made by the country as a whole.
Your the only person ive heard say we wernt taken out eu against our will,by your reckoning we shouldnt even have voted as our voice doesnt count"
poor argument.
You voted to not have full autonomy but to be part of a union and so abide by the overall will of the union. Even if the overall will isn't alligned with Scotland's wishes.
Brexit is an extreme version of having a Tory majority.
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"We want to join an eu union were we actually have a voice and a say on matters,unlike in westminister "
Scotland does have a voice in Westminster, and it does have a say on matters. So much so that the phrase "West Lothian question" came into being to describe how Scotland has too much say in some matters.
The problem isn't that Scotland is being ignored, it's just that the rest of Westminster doesn't agree with the SNP. |
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"Can England have a referendum about whether Scotland can stay in the union?
Please do, since this now appears to be an involuntary Union.
There was a vote in 2014
Think you will find there is a document signed by the leaders of all parties during the smith commision talks,it says that nothing should stop scotland becoming an independent country should the ppl of scotland so choose
They chose not to already though.
Things have changed , they overwhelmingly voted to remain in the EU, they have been ‘forced’ to leave
London also voted overwhelmingly to remain so Does that mean we can have another referendum because we didn't want to leave.
That is not how democracy works.
London isn’t a country,
But the principles the same let's just redo every vote whenever somebody calls for it because they didn't like the result the 1st time.
No, like I said, London isn’t a country, Scotland was forced to leave the EU against the will of their people
No they weren't because they chose to stay as part of this country which means they chose to abide by the decisions made by the country as a whole.
Wrong, Brexit changed everything, they should be given another referendum,
And what if the answer is the same will there be another one in another 8 years? "
Pursuing another referendum is not an action that has been undertaken on a whim.
The 2016 SNP Manifesto clearly states 2 conditions, either of which should grant the right to hold another Independence referendum.
One of those conditions is extremely specific - one might say... presciently so - and has most certainly been satisfied.
Guess which one 
That being the case - I'm sure you would agree that the Scottish Government would be remiss in its duty if it did *not* attempt to fulfil its manifesto pledges |
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
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"We want to join an eu union were we actually have a voice and a say on matters,unlike in westminister
Scotland does have a voice in Westminster, and it does have a say on matters. So much so that the phrase "West Lothian question" came into being to describe how Scotland has too much say in some matters.
The problem isn't that Scotland is being ignored, it's just that the rest of Westminster doesn't agree with the SNP."
How much would Scotland's voice or influence be heard in the EU compared to how much it is heard in the UK. Would they enjoy more of a say in future changes from the EU ? |
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"Can England have a referendum about whether Scotland can stay in the union?
Please do, since this now appears to be an involuntary Union.
There was a vote in 2014
Yep, since then the Scottish people have been ‘forced’ to leave the EU
So they want to leave one Union to join another. They don't want independence then do they.
They want to be part of the EU, "
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By *tevew9Man
over a year ago
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All of the devolved parliaments/ assemblys have more control over their respective constituents than the English counterparts do. Scotland had a referendum and chose not to leave. You can't keep having public votes until you get the result that suits you. |
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"Can England have a referendum about whether Scotland can stay in the union?
Please do, since this now appears to be an involuntary Union.
There was a vote in 2014
Think you will find there is a document signed by the leaders of all parties during the smith commision talks,it says that nothing should stop scotland becoming an independent country should the ppl of scotland so choose
They chose not to already though.
Things have changed , they overwhelmingly voted to remain in the EU, they have been ‘forced’ to leave "
People seem to have trouble understanding the questions.
1st question. Should Scotland be an independent country.
Result majority of Scottish people said No.
2nd question.Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?
Result the majority of the United Kingdom voted leave.
So Scotland voted to remain in the UK.. The UK voted to leave the EU. So how were Scotland forced out of the EU? (And please don't say because the majority of Scotland voted to stay. )
I love how the SNP go on about respecting democracy when they only respect it when they are getting what they want. |
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By *innMan
over a year ago
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"All of the devolved parliaments/ assemblys have more control over their respective constituents than the English counterparts do. Scotland had a referendum and chose not to leave. You can't keep having public votes until you get the result that suits you."
Yes you can - it’s called a general election |
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By *tevew9Man
over a year ago
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"All of the devolved parliaments/ assemblys have more control over their respective constituents than the English counterparts do. Scotland had a referendum and chose not to leave. You can't keep having public votes until you get the result that suits you.
Yes you can - it’s called a general election "
Exactly... If you can get enough MPs to agree to the referendum in parliament then its something that can be acted upon..If not understand that it's just a rallying call by the SNP to keep in power in Scotland.
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By *innMan
over a year ago
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Nearly everything that is relevant has been said.
80% of what has been said is based on fear or propaganda on both sides.
Strip back the crap and look at the real world , the real UK, the real Scotland.
If you have a scarf wrapped around your neck that is your team colour then you are the problem.
Ask real questions about the uk.
Ask what real questions
Stop with the slogans and banner statements - they are not relevant.
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Ok, here’s a serious question.
Why, in this day and age, does Scotland need ‘permission’ to want to leave the Union. When I look back at all the misery and death it caused us when we were part of ‘the union’ and the even more misery and death it caused when we finally told yez to fuck off (and ye still haven’t left completely).
Just leave already.. what’s going to happen, is Sunak going to to a Thatcher and march troops up to the border to make you stay ?? |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
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"Ok, here’s a serious question.
Why, in this day and age, does Scotland need ‘permission’ to want to leave the Union. When I look back at all the misery and death it caused us when we were part of ‘the union’ and the even more misery and death it caused when we finally told yez to fuck off (and ye still haven’t left completely).
Just leave already.. what’s going to happen, is Sunak going to to a Thatcher and march troops up to the border to make you stay ??"
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"Ok, here’s a serious question.
Why, in this day and age, does Scotland need ‘permission’ to want to leave the Union. When I look back at all the misery and death it caused us when we were part of ‘the union’ and the even more misery and death it caused when we finally told yez to fuck off (and ye still haven’t left completely).
Just leave already.. what’s going to happen, is Sunak going to to a Thatcher and march troops up to the border to make you stay ??"
You are just a bitter and rather twisted individual. Most of us are happy to be part of the UK. We even voted on it |
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"Ok, here’s a serious question.
Why, in this day and age, does Scotland need ‘permission’ to want to leave the Union. When I look back at all the misery and death it caused us when we were part of ‘the union’ and the even more misery and death it caused when we finally told yez to fuck off (and ye still haven’t left completely).
Just leave already.. what’s going to happen, is Sunak going to to a Thatcher and march troops up to the border to make you stay ??
You are just a bitter and rather twisted individual. Most of us are happy to be part of the UK. We even voted on it"
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