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"Teachers should inform parents if their child wishes to change their gender identity at school, under newly published government guidance.
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This is great.
A teacher friends currently has 2 trans kids in 1 class he has to call by their trans names. But call by their real names on parents evening.
Can we bot just go back to kids being mothers and emos when they weren't in tbe cool groups but still wanted attention/? |
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By *otMe66Man 20 weeks ago
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"As they should, and I'm at a loss as to why it takes government intervention to spell out the obvious, which is more than you have quoted.
I quoted the title of the article."
Ah I see. Other items that were in the guidance have a lot more weight, such as, schools do not have to accept a child's request to socially transition. |
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Good most of these kids identifying as “trans” are in reality gay, autistic, struggling with growing up, a bit weird, come from broken families or are suffering from other mental health problems or general social contagion.
They need to get proper specialist care which sadly has been lacking in the NHS which has been too focused on some kind of weird conversion therapy masquerading as affirmation in conjunction with ideological trans charities and pressure groups. |
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"Good most of these kids identifying as “trans” are in reality gay, autistic, struggling with growing up, a bit weird, come from broken families or are suffering from other mental health problems or general social contagion.
They need to get proper specialist care which sadly has been lacking in the NHS which has been too focused on some kind of weird conversion therapy masquerading as affirmation in conjunction with ideological trans charities and pressure groups."
Most? And then you give a non-exhaustive list. Probably the only group not listed are those well adjusted children who identify as a different gender. 
Personally I'd like to see a move away from labels and allow self discovery without judgement. Make growing up more generic to children than to boy/girl. Children can and do conflate gender identity and sexual orientation, eg I like girls, am I a girl liking girls or am I a boy in a girl's body liking girls.
At the same time we need structure for children to "bounce" off of.
I feel sorry for children growing up in the current gender climate. |
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"As they should, and I'm at a loss as to why it takes government intervention to spell out the obvious, which is more than you have quoted.
I quoted the title of the article.
Ah I see. Other items that were in the guidance have a lot more weight, such as, schools do not have to accept a child's request to socially transition."
was being forced to ever on the cards ?
I've not looked at the detail, but at least there now is guidance. That's a good start. |
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By *otMe66Man 20 weeks ago
Terra Firma |
"As they should, and I'm at a loss as to why it takes government intervention to spell out the obvious, which is more than you have quoted.
I quoted the title of the article.
Ah I see. Other items that were in the guidance have a lot more weight, such as, schools do not have to accept a child's request to socially transition.was being forced to ever on the cards ?
I've not looked at the detail, but at least there now is guidance. That's a good start. "
Have you seen the backlash that people get when they don’t use preferred pronouns? Now take that imaginary power and give to children who want to be seen as different because they find it hard to fit in, but can now control the way teachers talk or refer to them. Not great being a teacher I would imagine…
Not helped by over zealous parents who long for a trans child, it trumps the gay child on the school run and wine evenings |
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"Good most of these kids identifying as “trans” are in reality gay, autistic, struggling with growing up, a bit weird, come from broken families or are suffering from other mental health problems or general social contagion.
They need to get proper specialist care which sadly has been lacking in the NHS which has been too focused on some kind of weird conversion therapy masquerading as affirmation in conjunction with ideological trans charities and pressure groups.
Most? And then you give a non-exhaustive list. Probably the only group not listed are those well adjusted children who identify as a different gender.
Personally I'd like to see a move away from labels and allow self discovery without judgement. Make growing up more generic to children than to boy/girl. Children can and do conflate gender identity and sexual orientation, eg I like girls, am I a girl liking girls or am I a boy in a girl's body liking girls.
At the same time we need structure for children to "bounce" off of.
I feel sorry for children growing up in the current gender climate."
Exactly it's hard enough dealing with hormones and life in general without the added pressure of " having to identify" as something.
Leave education to the teachers, leave parenting to the parents and let's just leave kid's to be kid's and enjoy themselves before the pressure of life crushes them.
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"Good most of these kids identifying as “trans” are in reality gay, autistic, struggling with growing up, a bit weird, come from broken families or are suffering from other mental health problems or general social contagion.
They need to get proper specialist care which sadly has been lacking in the NHS which has been too focused on some kind of weird conversion therapy masquerading as affirmation in conjunction with ideological trans charities and pressure groups.
Most? And then you give a non-exhaustive list. Probably the only group not listed are those well adjusted children who identify as a different gender.
Personally I'd like to see a move away from labels and allow self discovery without judgement. Make growing up more generic to children than to boy/girl. Children can and do conflate gender identity and sexual orientation, eg I like girls, am I a girl liking girls or am I a boy in a girl's body liking girls.
At the same time we need structure for children to "bounce" off of.
I feel sorry for children growing up in the current gender climate."
So do I. You can’t enjoy just being a kid because some weirdo teacher is trying to get you to memorise 257 pronouns. |
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"As they should, and I'm at a loss as to why it takes government intervention to spell out the obvious, which is more than you have quoted.
I quoted the title of the article.
Ah I see. Other items that were in the guidance have a lot more weight, such as, schools do not have to accept a child's request to socially transition.was being forced to ever on the cards ?
I've not looked at the detail, but at least there now is guidance. That's a good start.
Have you seen the backlash that people get when they don’t use preferred pronouns? Now take that imaginary power and give to children who want to be seen as different because they find it hard to fit in, but can now control the way teachers talk or refer to them. Not great being a teacher I would imagine…
Not helped by over zealous parents who long for a trans child, it trumps the gay child on the school run and wine evenings"
interesting. has there been cases like this ?
I'm sure there will be those that say this has gone too far, some not far enough. Some say discretion is good. Some say that it actually givea no clarity.
Be interested in teachers views. |
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By *otMe66Man 20 weeks ago
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"As they should, and I'm at a loss as to why it takes government intervention to spell out the obvious, which is more than you have quoted.
I quoted the title of the article.
Ah I see. Other items that were in the guidance have a lot more weight, such as, schools do not have to accept a child's request to socially transition.was being forced to ever on the cards ?
I've not looked at the detail, but at least there now is guidance. That's a good start.
Have you seen the backlash that people get when they don’t use preferred pronouns? Now take that imaginary power and give to children who want to be seen as different because they find it hard to fit in, but can now control the way teachers talk or refer to them. Not great being a teacher I would imagine…
Not helped by over zealous parents who long for a trans child, it trumps the gay child on the school run and wine eveningsinteresting. has there been cases like this ?
I'm sure there will be those that say this has gone too far, some not far enough. Some say discretion is good. Some say that it actually givea no clarity.
Be interested in teachers views. "
I’m not sure what you’ve actually asked or posted, another rhetorical question? I will accept the living under a stone defence though. |
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"As they should, and I'm at a loss as to why it takes government intervention to spell out the obvious, which is more than you have quoted.
I quoted the title of the article.
Ah I see. Other items that were in the guidance have a lot more weight, such as, schools do not have to accept a child's request to socially transition.was being forced to ever on the cards ?
I've not looked at the detail, but at least there now is guidance. That's a good start.
Have you seen the backlash that people get when they don’t use preferred pronouns? Now take that imaginary power and give to children who want to be seen as different because they find it hard to fit in, but can now control the way teachers talk or refer to them. Not great being a teacher I would imagine…
Not helped by over zealous parents who long for a trans child, it trumps the gay child on the school run and wine eveningsinteresting. has there been cases like this ?
I'm sure there will be those that say this has gone too far, some not far enough. Some say discretion is good. Some say that it actually givea no clarity.
Be interested in teachers views.
I’m not sure what you’ve actually asked or posted, another rhetorical question? I will accept the living under a stone defence though."
it's a genuine question. Have you an example of kids using this power? or is it something you think is or could happen?
I can't tell if this is a potential issue you are worried about, or is actually happening today.
I know my questions can be pointed, but I am curious why people have the beliefs that they do.
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I have a "granddaughter" who is uncertain about her sexual status and has changed her name to a name that can be either male or female, she is happy to be called by her new name or the name she was christened she is nearly 21 but she is receiving a lot of unkindness for her steps brother and sisters but seems to be coping.she knows she can confide in me if she needs to.but this transgender thing is not new you have only to look at people's profile.but thank goodness I don't have this problem, I am straight and happy to be so and before any one asks I have tried lol |
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"Good most of these kids identifying as “trans” are in reality gay, autistic, struggling with growing up, a bit weird, come from broken families or are suffering from other mental health problems or general social contagion.
They need to get proper specialist care which sadly has been lacking in the NHS which has been too focused on some kind of weird conversion therapy masquerading as affirmation in conjunction with ideological trans charities and pressure groups.
Most? And then you give a non-exhaustive list. Probably the only group not listed are those well adjusted children who identify as a different gender.
Personally I'd like to see a move away from labels and allow self discovery without judgement. Make growing up more generic to children than to boy/girl. Children can and do conflate gender identity and sexual orientation, eg I like girls, am I a girl liking girls or am I a boy in a girl's body liking girls.
At the same time we need structure for children to "bounce" off of.
I feel sorry for children growing up in the current gender climate.
So do I. You can’t enjoy just being a kid because some weirdo teacher is trying to get you to memorise 257 pronouns."
Imaginary situations with fictional teachers getting kids to memorise 257 pronouns, is definitely one of the big problems facing society in this day and age. |
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"Good most of these kids identifying as “trans” are in reality gay, autistic, struggling with growing up, a bit weird, come from broken families or are suffering from other mental health problems or general social contagion.
They need to get proper specialist care which sadly has been lacking in the NHS which has been too focused on some kind of weird conversion therapy masquerading as affirmation in conjunction with ideological trans charities and pressure groups.
Most? And then you give a non-exhaustive list. Probably the only group not listed are those well adjusted children who identify as a different gender.
Personally I'd like to see a move away from labels and allow self discovery without judgement. Make growing up more generic to children than to boy/girl. Children can and do conflate gender identity and sexual orientation, eg I like girls, am I a girl liking girls or am I a boy in a girl's body liking girls.
At the same time we need structure for children to "bounce" off of.
I feel sorry for children growing up in the current gender climate.
So do I. You can’t enjoy just being a kid because some weirdo teacher is trying to get you to memorise 257 pronouns.
Imaginary situations with fictional teachers getting kids to memorise 257 pronouns, is definitely one of the big problems facing society in this day and age."
Yes something else that isn’t an issue. Just like immigration isn’t an issue. |
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"Good most of these kids identifying as “trans” are in reality gay, autistic, struggling with growing up, a bit weird, come from broken families or are suffering from other mental health problems or general social contagion.
They need to get proper specialist care which sadly has been lacking in the NHS which has been too focused on some kind of weird conversion therapy masquerading as affirmation in conjunction with ideological trans charities and pressure groups.
Most? And then you give a non-exhaustive list. Probably the only group not listed are those well adjusted children who identify as a different gender.
Personally I'd like to see a move away from labels and allow self discovery without judgement. Make growing up more generic to children than to boy/girl. Children can and do conflate gender identity and sexual orientation, eg I like girls, am I a girl liking girls or am I a boy in a girl's body liking girls.
At the same time we need structure for children to "bounce" off of.
I feel sorry for children growing up in the current gender climate.
So do I. You can’t enjoy just being a kid because some weirdo teacher is trying to get you to memorise 257 pronouns.
Imaginary situations with fictional teachers getting kids to memorise 257 pronouns, is definitely one of the big problems facing society in this day and age.
Yes something else that isn’t an issue. Just like immigration isn’t an issue. "
Yeah the big four issues facing society are:
The fictional teachers thing.
Foreigners.
Labour.
People who understand Brexit (remoaners). |
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"Good most of these kids identifying as “trans” are in reality gay, autistic, struggling with growing up, a bit weird, come from broken families or are suffering from other mental health problems or general social contagion.
They need to get proper specialist care which sadly has been lacking in the NHS which has been too focused on some kind of weird conversion therapy masquerading as affirmation in conjunction with ideological trans charities and pressure groups.
Most? And then you give a non-exhaustive list. Probably the only group not listed are those well adjusted children who identify as a different gender.
Personally I'd like to see a move away from labels and allow self discovery without judgement. Make growing up more generic to children than to boy/girl. Children can and do conflate gender identity and sexual orientation, eg I like girls, am I a girl liking girls or am I a boy in a girl's body liking girls.
At the same time we need structure for children to "bounce" off of.
I feel sorry for children growing up in the current gender climate.
So do I. You can’t enjoy just being a kid because some weirdo teacher is trying to get you to memorise 257 pronouns.
Imaginary situations with fictional teachers getting kids to memorise 257 pronouns, is definitely one of the big problems facing society in this day and age.
Yes something else that isn’t an issue. Just like immigration isn’t an issue.
Yeah the big four issues facing society are:
The fictional teachers thing.
Foreigners.
Labour.
People who understand Brexit (remoaners)."
Ah yes Brexit. You realise it’s almost 2024 right? Or is it still June 2016 in the Remoan Fuhrerbunker? |
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"Good most of these kids identifying as “trans” are in reality gay, autistic, struggling with growing up, a bit weird, come from broken families or are suffering from other mental health problems or general social contagion.
They need to get proper specialist care which sadly has been lacking in the NHS which has been too focused on some kind of weird conversion therapy masquerading as affirmation in conjunction with ideological trans charities and pressure groups.
Most? And then you give a non-exhaustive list. Probably the only group not listed are those well adjusted children who identify as a different gender.
Personally I'd like to see a move away from labels and allow self discovery without judgement. Make growing up more generic to children than to boy/girl. Children can and do conflate gender identity and sexual orientation, eg I like girls, am I a girl liking girls or am I a boy in a girl's body liking girls.
At the same time we need structure for children to "bounce" off of.
I feel sorry for children growing up in the current gender climate.
So do I. You can’t enjoy just being a kid because some weirdo teacher is trying to get you to memorise 257 pronouns.
Imaginary situations with fictional teachers getting kids to memorise 257 pronouns, is definitely one of the big problems facing society in this day and age.
Yes something else that isn’t an issue. Just like immigration isn’t an issue.
Yeah the big four issues facing society are:
The fictional teachers thing.
Foreigners.
Labour.
People who understand Brexit (remoaners).
Ah yes Brexit. You realise it’s almost 2024 right? Or is it still June 2016 in the Remoan Fuhrerbunker?"
That's right. Not only should we ignore any impact Brexit has had. We should logon to swingers forums and hound anyone who dares to discuss the topic.
Those remoaner scum really are as bad or worse than the fictional teachers you mentioned.  |
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"I have a "granddaughter" who is uncertain about her sexual status and has changed her name to a name that can be either male or female, she is happy to be called by her new name or the name she was christened she is nearly 21 but she is receiving a lot of unkindness for her steps brother and sisters but seems to be coping.she knows she can confide in me if she needs to.but this transgender thing is not new you have only to look at people's profile.but thank goodness I don't have this problem, I am straight and happy to be so and before any one asks I have tried lol"
Transgender is different to sexual orientation. Most of us evolve to understanding these aspects of ourselves without too much grief. Unfortunately children have this stuff foisted upon them through social media. So they start to question themselves and the world around them at younger ages than my generation.
My granddaughter got obsessed with her sexual orientation long before she got interested in the the act. She got obsessed with labelling it rather than evolving/self discovery. I have a daughter who was obsessed with her gender and categorises herself as non-binary/fluid.
I think these issues will increase mental health issues due to crises of identity with young people rather than an encouragement to go on their individual journeys of self discovery.
It's sad. |
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"Good most of these kids identifying as “trans” are in reality gay, autistic, struggling with growing up, a bit weird, come from broken families or are suffering from other mental health problems or general social contagion.
They need to get proper specialist care which sadly has been lacking in the NHS which has been too focused on some kind of weird conversion therapy masquerading as affirmation in conjunction with ideological trans charities and pressure groups.
Most? And then you give a non-exhaustive list. Probably the only group not listed are those well adjusted children who identify as a different gender.
Personally I'd like to see a move away from labels and allow self discovery without judgement. Make growing up more generic to children than to boy/girl. Children can and do conflate gender identity and sexual orientation, eg I like girls, am I a girl liking girls or am I a boy in a girl's body liking girls.
At the same time we need structure for children to "bounce" off of.
I feel sorry for children growing up in the current gender climate.
So do I. You can’t enjoy just being a kid because some weirdo teacher is trying to get you to memorise 257 pronouns.
Imaginary situations with fictional teachers getting kids to memorise 257 pronouns, is definitely one of the big problems facing society in this day and age.
Yes something else that isn’t an issue. Just like immigration isn’t an issue.
Yeah the big four issues facing society are:
The fictional teachers thing.
Foreigners.
Labour.
People who understand Brexit (remoaners).
Ah yes Brexit. You realise it’s almost 2024 right? Or is it still June 2016 in the Remoan Fuhrerbunker?
That's right. Not only should we ignore any impact Brexit has had. We should logon to swingers forums and hound anyone who dares to discuss the topic.
Those remoaner scum really are as bad or worse than the fictional teachers you mentioned. "
Have you made it to June 2016 or is it still May 1945 in the miserabilist bunker? The world must look very familiar. Your European integrationist project falling part and still at war with the Jews and Russians.
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"Good most of these kids identifying as “trans” are in reality gay, autistic, struggling with growing up, a bit weird, come from broken families or are suffering from other mental health problems or general social contagion.
They need to get proper specialist care which sadly has been lacking in the NHS which has been too focused on some kind of weird conversion therapy masquerading as affirmation in conjunction with ideological trans charities and pressure groups.
Most? And then you give a non-exhaustive list. Probably the only group not listed are those well adjusted children who identify as a different gender.
Personally I'd like to see a move away from labels and allow self discovery without judgement. Make growing up more generic to children than to boy/girl. Children can and do conflate gender identity and sexual orientation, eg I like girls, am I a girl liking girls or am I a boy in a girl's body liking girls.
At the same time we need structure for children to "bounce" off of.
I feel sorry for children growing up in the current gender climate.
So do I. You can’t enjoy just being a kid because some weirdo teacher is trying to get you to memorise 257 pronouns.
Imaginary situations with fictional teachers getting kids to memorise 257 pronouns, is definitely one of the big problems facing society in this day and age.
Yes something else that isn’t an issue. Just like immigration isn’t an issue.
Yeah the big four issues facing society are:
The fictional teachers thing.
Foreigners.
Labour.
People who understand Brexit (remoaners).
Ah yes Brexit. You realise it’s almost 2024 right? Or is it still June 2016 in the Remoan Fuhrerbunker?
That's right. Not only should we ignore any impact Brexit has had. We should logon to swingers forums and hound anyone who dares to discuss the topic.
Those remoaner scum really are as bad or worse than the fictional teachers you mentioned.
Have you made it to June 2016 or is it still May 1945 in the miserabilist bunker? The world must look very familiar. Your European integrationist project falling part and still at war with the Jews and Russians.
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Why don't we focus on the main issue, fictional teachers, instead of time travel, unless you think that's one of the main threats to society? |
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By *irldnCouple 20 weeks ago
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Without doubt there are some people who for whatever reason are born into the wrong body. Not sure what the percentage is but I suspect it is pretty low. These people will have genuine emotional struggles that the rest of us should view sympathetically.
However, transgender and gender identity etc etc is for many others just the latest fad. When I was growing up the kids who didn’t quite fit in or indeed did not want to fit it went down the path of becoming goths or some other fashion led statement. I think this is a distraction from the genuine former group who are having their real life challenges diluted by the crowd who just want to be different.
Part of childhood/teenage years is discovering yourself and is a journey everyone goes on with greater or lesser impact. But it is quite clear that for many this is just a fad to be “interesting” or “different”.
In society’s scramble to avoid offending anyone we are losing a degree of common sense. However, there is a small number of people for whom this is a genuine issue and they are being lumped in with the fad chasers.
Next we will start seriously entertaining the needs of “furies”!
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a few observations from my own childhood.
I was preoccupied with sex like things before I was interested in sex.
I knew I wasn't 100pc straight at a fairly early age. I also nee I wasn't down the middle bi.
I couldn't empathises with relationship models that happened on tv etc
None of this was talked about in any detail at school. I felt very lonely, different and broken.
I have no idea how many of my school mates felt the same. We had one (apparently) out gay kid. But that may have just been bullying. So based on my school years I have no idea what percentage of people are gay, bi, ENM etc.
I found confidence in my identity thru therapy and with things like fab. And I have had lots of conversations with people on similarish boats who have had similarish experiences.
Noone has said we should have talked less about this at school.
How much this translates to gender ID I don't know. However I'm reluctant to have a knee jerk reaction because the adult (and often *very* adult) population has views that may not be fully rounded. After all, we have never been taught anything on this, and probably have done limited reading ourselves. Many of us grew up under section 28, or were already part of the voting public when it came in. I see enough BS here to know that many haven't educated themselves around sexuality so I hold a lot less hope for a newer subject.
Tl:Dr think about your experience of sexuality at school. Was the guidance correct then ? We're you tauggt too much or too little. If not, how can we be sure we are getting it right today. |
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"Good most of these kids identifying as “trans” are in reality gay, autistic, struggling with growing up, a bit weird, come from broken families or are suffering from other mental health problems or general social contagion.
They need to get proper specialist care which sadly has been lacking in the NHS which has been too focused on some kind of weird conversion therapy masquerading as affirmation in conjunction with ideological trans charities and pressure groups.
Most? And then you give a non-exhaustive list. Probably the only group not listed are those well adjusted children who identify as a different gender.
Personally I'd like to see a move away from labels and allow self discovery without judgement. Make growing up more generic to children than to boy/girl. Children can and do conflate gender identity and sexual orientation, eg I like girls, am I a girl liking girls or am I a boy in a girl's body liking girls.
At the same time we need structure for children to "bounce" off of.
I feel sorry for children growing up in the current gender climate.
So do I. You can’t enjoy just being a kid because some weirdo teacher is trying to get you to memorise 257 pronouns.
Imaginary situations with fictional teachers getting kids to memorise 257 pronouns, is definitely one of the big problems facing society in this day and age."
Nah the arse hole media that is purposefully giving that perception to divide and demoralised is the problem. |
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By *atEvolutionCouple 20 weeks ago
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"Teachers should inform parents if their child wishes to change their gender identity at school, under newly published government guidance.
BBC"
I think it's why we call them Parents.  |
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"Leave education to the teachers, leave parenting to the Parents This ."
There's a problem with this. There's an issue called socialisation - this is done by parents, teachers, religious institutions, communities and peers. I suppose with should Inc social media in the list too. |
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"Good most of these kids identifying as “trans” are in reality gay, autistic, struggling with growing up, a bit weird, come from broken families or are suffering from other mental health problems or general social contagion.
They need to get proper specialist care which sadly has been lacking in the NHS which has been too focused on some kind of weird conversion therapy masquerading as affirmation in conjunction with ideological trans charities and pressure groups.
Most? And then you give a non-exhaustive list. Probably the only group not listed are those well adjusted children who identify as a different gender.
Personally I'd like to see a move away from labels and allow self discovery without judgement. Make growing up more generic to children than to boy/girl. Children can and do conflate gender identity and sexual orientation, eg I like girls, am I a girl liking girls or am I a boy in a girl's body liking girls.
At the same time we need structure for children to "bounce" off of.
I feel sorry for children growing up in the current gender climate.
So do I. You can’t enjoy just being a kid because some weirdo teacher is trying to get you to memorise 257 pronouns.
Imaginary situations with fictional teachers getting kids to memorise 257 pronouns, is definitely one of the big problems facing society in this day and age.
Yes something else that isn’t an issue. Just like immigration isn’t an issue.
Yeah the big four issues facing society are:
The fictional teachers thing.
Foreigners.
Labour.
People who understand Brexit (remoaners)."
Your trying to be funny but you are actually correct if you re word it so you are not being facetious..
1) Factual Truths
2) mass population transfer on a scale never seen.
3) extreme left wing politics / culture war
4) Democracy and accountability forever being funnelled to bigger more distant bodies that are harder to hold to account or change. The WHO, EU being good examples. |
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"Good most of these kids identifying as “trans” are in reality gay, autistic, struggling with growing up, a bit weird, come from broken families or are suffering from other mental health problems or general social contagion.
They need to get proper specialist care which sadly has been lacking in the NHS which has been too focused on some kind of weird conversion therapy masquerading as affirmation in conjunction with ideological trans charities and pressure groups.
Most? And then you give a non-exhaustive list. Probably the only group not listed are those well adjusted children who identify as a different gender.
Personally I'd like to see a move away from labels and allow self discovery without judgement. Make growing up more generic to children than to boy/girl. Children can and do conflate gender identity and sexual orientation, eg I like girls, am I a girl liking girls or am I a boy in a girl's body liking girls.
At the same time we need structure for children to "bounce" off of.
I feel sorry for children growing up in the current gender climate.
So do I. You can’t enjoy just being a kid because some weirdo teacher is trying to get you to memorise 257 pronouns.
Imaginary situations with fictional teachers getting kids to memorise 257 pronouns, is definitely one of the big problems facing society in this day and age.
Yes something else that isn’t an issue. Just like immigration isn’t an issue.
Yeah the big four issues facing society are:
The fictional teachers thing.
Foreigners.
Labour.
People who understand Brexit (remoaners).
Your trying to be funny but you are actually correct if you re word it so you are not being facetious..
1) Factual Truths
2) mass population transfer on a scale never seen.
3) extreme left wing politics / culture war
4) Democracy and accountability forever being funnelled to bigger more distant bodies that are harder to hold to account or change. The WHO, EU being good examples."
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"Good most of these kids identifying as “trans” are in reality gay, autistic, struggling with growing up, a bit weird, come from broken families or are suffering from other mental health problems or general social contagion.
They need to get proper specialist care which sadly has been lacking in the NHS which has been too focused on some kind of weird conversion therapy masquerading as affirmation in conjunction with ideological trans charities and pressure groups.
Most? And then you give a non-exhaustive list. Probably the only group not listed are those well adjusted children who identify as a different gender.
Personally I'd like to see a move away from labels and allow self discovery without judgement. Make growing up more generic to children than to boy/girl. Children can and do conflate gender identity and sexual orientation, eg I like girls, am I a girl liking girls or am I a boy in a girl's body liking girls.
At the same time we need structure for children to "bounce" off of.
I feel sorry for children growing up in the current gender climate.
So do I. You can’t enjoy just being a kid because some weirdo teacher is trying to get you to memorise 257 pronouns.
Imaginary situations with fictional teachers getting kids to memorise 257 pronouns, is definitely one of the big problems facing society in this day and age.
Yes something else that isn’t an issue. Just like immigration isn’t an issue.
Yeah the big four issues facing society are:
The fictional teachers thing.
Foreigners.
Labour.
People who understand Brexit (remoaners).
Your trying to be funny but you are actually correct if you re word it so you are not being facetious..
1) Factual Truths
2) mass population transfer on a scale never seen.
3) extreme left wing politics / culture war
4) Democracy and accountability forever being funnelled to bigger more distant bodies that are harder to hold to account or change. The WHO, EU being good examples.
It's getting harder to tell which posts are satirical or not."
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"Good most of these kids identifying as “trans” are in reality gay, autistic, struggling with growing up, a bit weird, come from broken families or are suffering from other mental health problems or general social contagion.
They need to get proper specialist care which sadly has been lacking in the NHS which has been too focused on some kind of weird conversion therapy masquerading as affirmation in conjunction with ideological trans charities and pressure groups.
Most? And then you give a non-exhaustive list. Probably the only group not listed are those well adjusted children who identify as a different gender.
Personally I'd like to see a move away from labels and allow self discovery without judgement. Make growing up more generic to children than to boy/girl. Children can and do conflate gender identity and sexual orientation, eg I like girls, am I a girl liking girls or am I a boy in a girl's body liking girls.
At the same time we need structure for children to "bounce" off of.
I feel sorry for children growing up in the current gender climate.
So do I. You can’t enjoy just being a kid because some weirdo teacher is trying to get you to memorise 257 pronouns.
Imaginary situations with fictional teachers getting kids to memorise 257 pronouns, is definitely one of the big problems facing society in this day and age.
Yes something else that isn’t an issue. Just like immigration isn’t an issue.
Yeah the big four issues facing society are:
The fictional teachers thing.
Foreigners.
Labour.
People who understand Brexit (remoaners).
Your trying to be funny but you are actually correct if you re word it so you are not being facetious..
1) Factual Truths
2) mass population transfer on a scale never seen.
3) extreme left wing politics / culture war
4) Democracy and accountability forever being funnelled to bigger more distant bodies that are harder to hold to account or change. The WHO, EU being good examples.
It's getting harder to tell which posts are satirical or not.
It's getting harder to tell which men are women, which women are men and so on, nevermind keeping up with how you're expected to address someone without causing offence "
most of the time you address someone you use their name or you/your.
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"Good most of these kids identifying as “trans” are in reality gay, autistic, struggling with growing up, a bit weird, come from broken families or are suffering from other mental health problems or general social contagion.
They need to get proper specialist care which sadly has been lacking in the NHS which has been too focused on some kind of weird conversion therapy masquerading as affirmation in conjunction with ideological trans charities and pressure groups.
Most? And then you give a non-exhaustive list. Probably the only group not listed are those well adjusted children who identify as a different gender.
Personally I'd like to see a move away from labels and allow self discovery without judgement. Make growing up more generic to children than to boy/girl. Children can and do conflate gender identity and sexual orientation, eg I like girls, am I a girl liking girls or am I a boy in a girl's body liking girls.
At the same time we need structure for children to "bounce" off of.
I feel sorry for children growing up in the current gender climate.
So do I. You can’t enjoy just being a kid because some weirdo teacher is trying to get you to memorise 257 pronouns.
Imaginary situations with fictional teachers getting kids to memorise 257 pronouns, is definitely one of the big problems facing society in this day and age.
Yes something else that isn’t an issue. Just like immigration isn’t an issue.
Yeah the big four issues facing society are:
The fictional teachers thing.
Foreigners.
Labour.
People who understand Brexit (remoaners).
Your trying to be funny but you are actually correct if you re word it so you are not being facetious..
1) Factual Truths
2) mass population transfer on a scale never seen.
3) extreme left wing politics / culture war
4) Democracy and accountability forever being funnelled to bigger more distant bodies that are harder to hold to account or change. The WHO, EU being good examples.
It's getting harder to tell which posts are satirical or not.
It's getting harder to tell which men are women, which women are men and so on, nevermind keeping up with how you're expected to address someone without causing offence most of the time you address someone you use their name or you/your.
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"Good most of these kids identifying as “trans” are in reality gay, autistic, struggling with growing up, a bit weird, come from broken families or are suffering from other mental health problems or general social contagion.
They need to get proper specialist care which sadly has been lacking in the NHS which has been too focused on some kind of weird conversion therapy masquerading as affirmation in conjunction with ideological trans charities and pressure groups.
Most? And then you give a non-exhaustive list. Probably the only group not listed are those well adjusted children who identify as a different gender.
Personally I'd like to see a move away from labels and allow self discovery without judgement. Make growing up more generic to children than to boy/girl. Children can and do conflate gender identity and sexual orientation, eg I like girls, am I a girl liking girls or am I a boy in a girl's body liking girls.
At the same time we need structure for children to "bounce" off of.
I feel sorry for children growing up in the current gender climate.
So do I. You can’t enjoy just being a kid because some weirdo teacher is trying to get you to memorise 257 pronouns.
Imaginary situations with fictional teachers getting kids to memorise 257 pronouns, is definitely one of the big problems facing society in this day and age.
Yes something else that isn’t an issue. Just like immigration isn’t an issue.
Yeah the big four issues facing society are:
The fictional teachers thing.
Foreigners.
Labour.
People who understand Brexit (remoaners).
Your trying to be funny but you are actually correct if you re word it so you are not being facetious..
1) Factual Truths
2) mass population transfer on a scale never seen.
3) extreme left wing politics / culture war
4) Democracy and accountability forever being funnelled to bigger more distant bodies that are harder to hold to account or change. The WHO, EU being good examples.
It's getting harder to tell which posts are satirical or not.
It's getting harder to tell which men are women, which women are men and so on, nevermind keeping up with how you're expected to address someone without causing offence most of the time you address someone you use their name or you/your.
Not anymore "
you're meeting different people to me. The only people I know who third person are the Rock and Essex Tom.
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"Good most of these kids identifying as “trans” are in reality gay, autistic, struggling with growing up, a bit weird, come from broken families or are suffering from other mental health problems or general social contagion.
They need to get proper specialist care which sadly has been lacking in the NHS which has been too focused on some kind of weird conversion therapy masquerading as affirmation in conjunction with ideological trans charities and pressure groups.
Most? And then you give a non-exhaustive list. Probably the only group not listed are those well adjusted children who identify as a different gender.
Personally I'd like to see a move away from labels and allow self discovery without judgement. Make growing up more generic to children than to boy/girl. Children can and do conflate gender identity and sexual orientation, eg I like girls, am I a girl liking girls or am I a boy in a girl's body liking girls.
At the same time we need structure for children to "bounce" off of.
I feel sorry for children growing up in the current gender climate.
So do I. You can’t enjoy just being a kid because some weirdo teacher is trying to get you to memorise 257 pronouns.
Imaginary situations with fictional teachers getting kids to memorise 257 pronouns, is definitely one of the big problems facing society in this day and age.
Yes something else that isn’t an issue. Just like immigration isn’t an issue.
Yeah the big four issues facing society are:
The fictional teachers thing.
Foreigners.
Labour.
People who understand Brexit (remoaners).
Your trying to be funny but you are actually correct if you re word it so you are not being facetious..
1) Factual Truths
2) mass population transfer on a scale never seen.
3) extreme left wing politics / culture war
4) Democracy and accountability forever being funnelled to bigger more distant bodies that are harder to hold to account or change. The WHO, EU being good examples.
It's getting harder to tell which posts are satirical or not.
It's getting harder to tell which men are women, which women are men and so on, nevermind keeping up with how you're expected to address someone without causing offence most of the time you address someone you use their name or you/your.
Not anymore you're meeting different people to me. The only people I know who third person are the Rock and Essex Tom.
Next suggestion: ask.
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"I have a "granddaughter" who is uncertain about her sexual status and has changed her name to a name that can be either male or female, she is happy to be called by her new name or the name she was christened she is nearly 21 but she is receiving a lot of unkindness for her steps brother and sisters but seems to be coping.she knows she can confide in me if she needs to.but this transgender thing is not new you have only to look at people's profile.but thank goodness I don't have this problem, I am straight and happy to be so and before any one asks I have tried lol
Transgender is different to sexual orientation. Most of us evolve to understanding these aspects of ourselves without too much grief. Unfortunately children have this stuff foisted upon them through social media. So they start to question themselves and the world around them at younger ages than my generation.
My granddaughter got obsessed with her sexual orientation long before she got interested in the the act. She got obsessed with labelling it rather than evolving/self discovery. I have a daughter who was obsessed with her gender and categorises herself as non-binary/fluid.
I think these issues will increase mental health issues due to crises of identity with young people rather than an encouragement to go on their individual journeys of self discovery.
It's sad."
So should the NHS stop asking perants when having a scan do you want to know what sex your having? As what we are now saying is the person doing the ultrasound can't realy tell? If they / them are boy or girl. And we should ban cards congratulations it's a ?? |
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"Good most of these kids identifying as “trans” are in reality gay, autistic, struggling with growing up, a bit weird, come from broken families or are suffering from other mental health problems or general social contagion.
They need to get proper specialist care which sadly has been lacking in the NHS which has been too focused on some kind of weird conversion therapy masquerading as affirmation in conjunction with ideological trans charities and pressure groups.
Most? And then you give a non-exhaustive list. Probably the only group not listed are those well adjusted children who identify as a different gender.
Personally I'd like to see a move away from labels and allow self discovery without judgement. Make growing up more generic to children than to boy/girl. Children can and do conflate gender identity and sexual orientation, eg I like girls, am I a girl liking girls or am I a boy in a girl's body liking girls.
At the same time we need structure for children to "bounce" off of.
I feel sorry for children growing up in the current gender climate.
So do I. You can’t enjoy just being a kid because some weirdo teacher is trying to get you to memorise 257 pronouns.
Imaginary situations with fictional teachers getting kids to memorise 257 pronouns, is definitely one of the big problems facing society in this day and age.
Yes something else that isn’t an issue. Just like immigration isn’t an issue.
Yeah the big four issues facing society are:
The fictional teachers thing.
Foreigners.
Labour.
People who understand Brexit (remoaners).
Your trying to be funny but you are actually correct if you re word it so you are not being facetious..
1) Factual Truths
2) mass population transfer on a scale never seen.
3) extreme left wing politics / culture war
4) Democracy and accountability forever being funnelled to bigger more distant bodies that are harder to hold to account or change. The WHO, EU being good examples.
It's getting harder to tell which posts are satirical or not.
It's getting harder to tell which men are women, which women are men and so on, nevermind keeping up with how you're expected to address someone without causing offence most of the time you address someone you use their name or you/your.
Not anymore you're meeting different people to me. The only people I know who third person are the Rock and Essex Tom.
Next suggestion: ask.
When I bump I to a 6ft plus beared fellow in a dress, I've no idea what to say but it's a given it's wrong. "
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There is some appalling hatred towards children being spouted in this thread, by people whose only knowledge of gender diversity issues comes from shitwipe tabloid newspapers. The governments own lawyers have advised that Badenoch's new "guidelines" are almost certainly illegal, and that any schools following these guidelines are going to lose when they are sued for the damage caused to transgender children. Badenoch is a vicious transphobic witch who is getting her rocks off through attacking one of the most vulnerable groups in society. There is nothing constructive in this new "guidance", it is calculated to cause pain.
Eighty years ago my father was viscously beaten by his teachers because he wrote with his left hand. In years to come we will be just as repulsed by the attitudes of Badenoch and her ilk, as we are now by the idea of physically punishing children for being left handed. |
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Seems pretty fair to me after reading the guidance
Reminder that the NHS and GID are extremely neutral on handling young child’s social transitioning
Even GIDS say that socially transitioning isn’t a good or a bad thing for under 13 and that it’s up to the parents
Teachers won’t be getting in trouble for using the wrong pronouns as unless the child has seen a doctor and started to transition with a medical professional guidance then they won’t fall under any protection granted by the EA |
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All this focus and attention on a very very small percentage of the population and an even smaller amount of young people must be having a negative effect on children who have other issues, issues that are not in the limelight and not trendy! |
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"There is some appalling hatred towards children being spouted in this thread
Would you like to quote something posted in this thread that shows "hatred towards children"."
Probably this
Good most of these kids identifying as “trans” are in reality gay, autistic, struggling with growing up, a bit weird, come from broken families or are suffering from other mental health problems or general social contagion.
Although I don’t disagree. The guidance is partially aimed at young children under 11
I don’t know why we think a child under 11 that can’t decide what they want for dinner is able to know they are ready to socially transition
Why don’t we look towards doctors and experts?
Because these topics are always full of 2 groups
Group 1 : no one should ever be able to trans and thus guidance isn’t enough
Group 2 : babies can decide to have HRT and a sex change surgery and this guidance is literally the holocaust x10
Both groups are extremists and neither want to know what the doctors say, they just want to push their own extremism on others |
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"Good most of these kids identifying as “trans” are in reality gay, autistic, struggling with growing up, a bit weird, come from broken families or are suffering from other mental health problems or general social contagion.
They need to get proper specialist care which sadly has been lacking in the NHS which has been too focused on some kind of weird conversion therapy masquerading as affirmation in conjunction with ideological trans charities and pressure groups.
Most? And then you give a non-exhaustive list. Probably the only group not listed are those well adjusted children who identify as a different gender.
Personally I'd like to see a move away from labels and allow self discovery without judgement. Make growing up more generic to children than to boy/girl. Children can and do conflate gender identity and sexual orientation, eg I like girls, am I a girl liking girls or am I a boy in a girl's body liking girls.
At the same time we need structure for children to "bounce" off of.
I feel sorry for children growing up in the current gender climate.
So do I. You can’t enjoy just being a kid because some weirdo teacher is trying to get you to memorise 257 pronouns.
Imaginary situations with fictional teachers getting kids to memorise 257 pronouns, is definitely one of the big problems facing society in this day and age.
Yes something else that isn’t an issue. Just like immigration isn’t an issue.
Yeah the big four issues facing society are:
The fictional teachers thing.
Foreigners.
Labour.
People who understand Brexit (remoaners).
Your trying to be funny but you are actually correct if you re word it so you are not being facetious..
1) Factual Truths
2) mass population transfer on a scale never seen.
3) extreme left wing politics / culture war
4) Democracy and accountability forever being funnelled to bigger more distant bodies that are harder to hold to account or change. The WHO, EU being good examples.
It's getting harder to tell which posts are satirical or not."
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"Good most of these kids identifying as “trans” are in reality gay, autistic, struggling with growing up, a bit weird, come from broken families or are suffering from other mental health problems or general social contagion.
They need to get proper specialist care which sadly has been lacking in the NHS which has been too focused on some kind of weird conversion therapy masquerading as affirmation in conjunction with ideological trans charities and pressure groups.
Most? And then you give a non-exhaustive list. Probably the only group not listed are those well adjusted children who identify as a different gender.
Personally I'd like to see a move away from labels and allow self discovery without judgement. Make growing up more generic to children than to boy/girl. Children can and do conflate gender identity and sexual orientation, eg I like girls, am I a girl liking girls or am I a boy in a girl's body liking girls.
At the same time we need structure for children to "bounce" off of.
I feel sorry for children growing up in the current gender climate.
So do I. You can’t enjoy just being a kid because some weirdo teacher is trying to get you to memorise 257 pronouns.
Imaginary situations with fictional teachers getting kids to memorise 257 pronouns, is definitely one of the big problems facing society in this day and age.
Yes something else that isn’t an issue. Just like immigration isn’t an issue.
Yeah the big four issues facing society are:
The fictional teachers thing.
Foreigners.
Labour.
People who understand Brexit (remoaners).
Your trying to be funny but you are actually correct if you re word it so you are not being facetious..
1) Factual Truths
2) mass population transfer on a scale never seen.
3) extreme left wing politics / culture war
4) Democracy and accountability forever being funnelled to bigger more distant bodies that are harder to hold to account or change. The WHO, EU being good examples.
It's getting harder to tell which posts are satirical or not.
It's getting harder to tell which men are women, which women are men and so on, nevermind keeping up with how you're expected to address someone without causing offence most of the time you address someone you use their name or you/your.
Not anymore you're meeting different people to me. The only people I know who third person are the Rock and Essex Tom.
Next suggestion: ask.
When I bump I to a 6ft plus beared fellow in a dress, I've no idea what to say but it's a given it's wrong. "
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"There is some appalling hatred towards children being spouted in this thread, by people whose only knowledge of gender diversity issues comes from shitwipe tabloid newspapers. The governments own lawyers have advised that Badenoch's new "guidelines" are almost certainly illegal, and that any schools following these guidelines are going to lose when they are sued for the damage caused to transgender children. Badenoch is a vicious transphobic witch who is getting her rocks off through attacking one of the most vulnerable groups in society. There is nothing constructive in this new "guidance", it is calculated to cause pain.
Eighty years ago my father was viscously beaten by his teachers because he wrote with his left hand. In years to come we will be just as repulsed by the attitudes of Badenoch and her ilk, as we are now by the idea of physically punishing children for being left handed."
I think your attitude is partly to blame here and why guidelines are needed, and in general things are starting change.
You expect a child to be allowed to go unchallenged into decisions that could ruin their lives forever, should they take drugs or under go operations at a time in their life they are struggling to simply fit in.
Your belief outweighs the protection of vulnerable children, and I will call them vulnerable because they are easily influenced and striving to find their own identity as a normal child growing up.
Tavistock is closing down, courts expressed concerns and people are aware of this, even though it has been well managed to minimise the message impact.
There will be some children that will be genuine in their need to transition, they should receive the support they deserve, but equally there are many that are inquisitive only, and they too need to be given the support they need, and not be pushed into life changing mistakes |
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"There is some appalling hatred towards children being spouted in this thread
Would you like to quote something posted in this thread that shows "hatred towards children".
Probably this
Good most of these kids identifying as “trans” are in reality gay, autistic, struggling with growing up, a bit weird, come from broken families or are suffering from other mental health problems or general social contagion.
Although I don’t disagree. The guidance is partially aimed at young children under 11
I don’t know why we think a child under 11 that can’t decide what they want for dinner is able to know they are ready to socially transition
Why don’t we look towards doctors and experts?
Because these topics are always full of 2 groups
Group 1 : no one should ever be able to trans and thus guidance isn’t enough
Group 2 : babies can decide to have HRT and a sex change surgery and this guidance is literally the holocaust x10
Both groups are extremists and neither want to know what the doctors say, they just want to push their own extremism on others "
I looked for the guidance when it was on the news but couldn't find it.
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"As they should, and I'm at a loss as to why it takes government intervention to spell out the obvious, which is more than you have quoted.
I quoted the title of the article.
Ah I see. Other items that were in the guidance have a lot more weight, such as, schools do not have to accept a child's request to socially transition.was being forced to ever on the cards ?
I've not looked at the detail, but at least there now is guidance. That's a good start.
Have you seen the backlash that people get when they don’t use preferred pronouns? Now take that imaginary power and give to children who want to be seen as different because they find it hard to fit in, but can now control the way teachers talk or refer to them. Not great being a teacher I would imagine…
Not helped by over zealous parents who long for a trans child, it trumps the gay child on the school run and wine evenings"
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"Teachers should inform parents if their child wishes to change their gender identity at school, under newly published government guidance.
BBC"
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"Teachers should inform parents if their child wishes to change their gender identity at school, under newly published government guidance.
BBC
Pretty sick for kids in an abusive family environment. "
Read the guidance first
People online are specifically being vague to make it sound worse than it is
No parents will be informed if there is a safeguarding issue, nothings changed there
Parents won’t be informed about just general chat either, only serious talk about actionable transitioning |
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"Teachers should inform parents if their child wishes to change their gender identity at school, under newly published government guidance.
BBC
Pretty sick for kids in an abusive family environment.
Read the guidance first
People online are specifically being vague to make it sound worse than it is
No parents will be informed if there is a safeguarding issue, nothings changed there
Parents won’t be informed about just general chat either, only serious talk about actionable transitioning "
How will they know the smiley parents are homophobic arseholes.
Fair point though. |
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"There is some appalling hatred towards children being spouted in this thread
Would you like to quote something posted in this thread that shows "hatred towards children".
Probably this
Good most of these kids identifying as “trans” are in reality gay, autistic, struggling with growing up, a bit weird, come from broken families or are suffering from other mental health problems or general social contagion.
Although I don’t disagree. The guidance is partially aimed at young children under 11
I don’t know why we think a child under 11 that can’t decide what they want for dinner is able to know they are ready to socially transition
Why don’t we look towards doctors and experts?
Because these topics are always full of 2 groups
Group 1 : no one should ever be able to trans and thus guidance isn’t enough
Group 2 : babies can decide to have HRT and a sex change surgery and this guidance is literally the holocaust x10
Both groups are extremists and neither want to know what the doctors say, they just want to push their own extremism on others
I looked for the guidance when it was on the news but couldn't find it.
I'm shocked it's for under 11s."
https://consult.education.gov.uk/equalities-political-impartiality-anti-bullying-team/gender-questioning-children-proposed-guidance/supporting_documents/Gender%20Questioning%20Children%20%20nonstatutory%20guidance.pdf
Also, remember, this is guidance, not law. No teachers will get in trouble for not following this or using it on a case to case basis
Many pro-trans people are doing their best to make it sound worse than it really is
This guidance was made with the help of the governments equality hub, they are extremely pro LGBT |
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"Teachers should inform parents if their child wishes to change their gender identity at school, under newly published government guidance.
BBC
Pretty sick for kids in an abusive family environment.
Read the guidance first
People online are specifically being vague to make it sound worse than it is
No parents will be informed if there is a safeguarding issue, nothings changed there
Parents won’t be informed about just general chat either, only serious talk about actionable transitioning
How will they know the smiley parents are homophobic arseholes.
Fair point though. "
How would they know the parents won’t abuse their child for failing a test too?
We can’t just assume every parent is abusive and hide everything from them. It’s a case by case basis |
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"There is some appalling hatred towards children being spouted in this thread
Would you like to quote something posted in this thread that shows "hatred towards children".
Probably this
Good most of these kids identifying as “trans” are in reality gay, autistic, struggling with growing up, a bit weird, come from broken families or are suffering from other mental health problems or general social contagion.
Although I don’t disagree. The guidance is partially aimed at young children under 11
I don’t know why we think a child under 11 that can’t decide what they want for dinner is able to know they are ready to socially transition
Why don’t we look towards doctors and experts?
Because these topics are always full of 2 groups
Group 1 : no one should ever be able to trans and thus guidance isn’t enough
Group 2 : babies can decide to have HRT and a sex change surgery and this guidance is literally the holocaust x10
Both groups are extremists and neither want to know what the doctors say, they just want to push their own extremism on others
I looked for the guidance when it was on the news but couldn't find it.
I'm shocked it's for under 11s.
https://consult.education.gov.uk/equalities-political-impartiality-anti-bullying-team/gender-questioning-children-proposed-guidance/supporting_documents/Gender%20Questioning%20Children%20%20nonstatutory%20guidance.pdf
Also, remember, this is guidance, not law. No teachers will get in trouble for not following this or using it on a case to case basis
Many pro-trans people are doing their best to make it sound worse than it really is
This guidance was made with the help of the governments equality hub, they are extremely pro LGBT"
I'll read later, thanks.
I'm pro supportive childhood. My granddaughter got through her "I'm this!" times because her mum and I are open minded. Mum and her clashed but she'd listen to the same message from me, which was succinctly to explore without labels. |
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Looks like the “Blob” has been at it again.
Bit unusual for this to not be legal Kemi is probably one of the rare MPs who is normally on top of their brief whatever people think of her. If it’s open to legal issues then I suspect a long road ahead. |
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"Looks like the “Blob” has been at it again.
Bit unusual for this to not be legal Kemi is probably one of the rare MPs who is normally on top of their brief whatever people think of her. If it’s open to legal issues then I suspect a long road ahead. "
It has to go to a 12 week consultation period first.
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"There is some appalling hatred towards children being spouted in this thread
Would you like to quote something posted in this thread that shows "hatred towards children".
Probably this
Good most of these kids identifying as “trans” are in reality gay, autistic, struggling with growing up, a bit weird, come from broken families or are suffering from other mental health problems or general social contagion.
Although I don’t disagree. The guidance is partially aimed at young children under 11
I don’t know why we think a child under 11 that can’t decide what they want for dinner is able to know they are ready to socially transition
Why don’t we look towards doctors and experts?
Because these topics are always full of 2 groups
Group 1 : no one should ever be able to trans and thus guidance isn’t enough
Group 2 : babies can decide to have HRT and a sex change surgery and this guidance is literally the holocaust x10
Both groups are extremists and neither want to know what the doctors say, they just want to push their own extremism on others
I looked for the guidance when it was on the news but couldn't find it.
I'm shocked it's for under 11s.
https://consult.education.gov.uk/equalities-political-impartiality-anti-bullying-team/gender-questioning-children-proposed-guidance/supporting_documents/Gender%20Questioning%20Children%20%20nonstatutory%20guidance.pdf
Also, remember, this is guidance, not law. No teachers will get in trouble for not following this or using it on a case to case basis
Many pro-trans people are doing their best to make it sound worse than it really is
This guidance was made with the help of the governments equality hub, they are extremely pro LGBT"
https://consult.education.gov.uk/equalities-political-impartiality-anti-bullying-team/gender-questioning-children-proposed-guidance/supporting_documents/Gender%20Questioning%20Children%20%20nonstatutory%20guidance.pdf
(although link was buggy for me!)
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"There is some appalling hatred towards children being spouted in this thread
Would you like to quote something posted in this thread that shows "hatred towards children".
Probably this
Good most of these kids identifying as “trans” are in reality gay, autistic, struggling with growing up, a bit weird, come from broken families or are suffering from other mental health problems or general social contagion.
Although I don’t disagree. The guidance is partially aimed at young children under 11
I don’t know why we think a child under 11 that can’t decide what they want for dinner is able to know they are ready to socially transition
Why don’t we look towards doctors and experts?
Because these topics are always full of 2 groups
Group 1 : no one should ever be able to trans and thus guidance isn’t enough
Group 2 : babies can decide to have HRT and a sex change surgery and this guidance is literally the holocaust x10
Both groups are extremists and neither want to know what the doctors say, they just want to push their own extremism on others
I looked for the guidance when it was on the news but couldn't find it.
I'm shocked it's for under 11s.
https://consult.education.gov.uk/equalities-political-impartiality-anti-bullying-team/gender-questioning-children-proposed-guidance/supporting_documents/Gender%20Questioning%20Children%20%20nonstatutory%20guidance.pdf
Also, remember, this is guidance, not law. No teachers will get in trouble for not following this or using it on a case to case basis
Many pro-trans people are doing their best to make it sound worse than it really is
This guidance was made with the help of the governments equality hub, they are extremely pro LGBT
https://consult.education.gov.uk/equalities-political-impartiality-anti-bullying-team/gender-questioning-children-proposed-guidance/supporting_documents/Gender%20Questioning%20Children%20%20nonstatutory%20guidance.pdf
(although link was buggy for me!)
What's the concern with the under 11 guidance ? "
For me? Nothing, it seems fairly middle of the road
For a bunch of people that haven’t even read the guidance? It’s a trans holocaust where every parent is an abusive trans phone and every teacher must out kids against their will or better judgement |
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"There is some appalling hatred towards children being spouted in this thread
Would you like to quote something posted in this thread that shows "hatred towards children".
Probably this
Good most of these kids identifying as “trans” are in reality gay, autistic, struggling with growing up, a bit weird, come from broken families or are suffering from other mental health problems or general social contagion.
Although I don’t disagree. The guidance is partially aimed at young children under 11
I don’t know why we think a child under 11 that can’t decide what they want for dinner is able to know they are ready to socially transition
Why don’t we look towards doctors and experts?
Because these topics are always full of 2 groups
Group 1 : no one should ever be able to trans and thus guidance isn’t enough
Group 2 : babies can decide to have HRT and a sex change surgery and this guidance is literally the holocaust x10
Both groups are extremists and neither want to know what the doctors say, they just want to push their own extremism on others
I looked for the guidance when it was on the news but couldn't find it.
I'm shocked it's for under 11s.
https://consult.education.gov.uk/equalities-political-impartiality-anti-bullying-team/gender-questioning-children-proposed-guidance/supporting_documents/Gender%20Questioning%20Children%20%20nonstatutory%20guidance.pdf
Also, remember, this is guidance, not law. No teachers will get in trouble for not following this or using it on a case to case basis
Many pro-trans people are doing their best to make it sound worse than it really is
This guidance was made with the help of the governments equality hub, they are extremely pro LGBT
https://consult.education.gov.uk/equalities-political-impartiality-anti-bullying-team/gender-questioning-children-proposed-guidance/supporting_documents/Gender%20Questioning%20Children%20%20nonstatutory%20guidance.pdf
(although link was buggy for me!)
What's the concern with the under 11 guidance ?
For me? Nothing, it seems fairly middle of the road
For a bunch of people that haven’t even read the guidance? It’s a trans holocaust where every parent is an abusive trans phone and every teacher must out kids against their will or better judgement "
poor quoting on my part. Thanks to you for the link (I was relying on finding the right bbc article)
Question was at whoever was shocked. Guidance says they should continue to use the sex-based pronouns while in primary. Sounds sensible. |
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"There is some appalling hatred towards children being spouted in this thread
Would you like to quote something posted in this thread that shows "hatred towards children".
Probably this
Good most of these kids identifying as “trans” are in reality gay, autistic, struggling with growing up, a bit weird, come from broken families or are suffering from other mental health problems or general social contagion.
Although I don’t disagree. The guidance is partially aimed at young children under 11
I don’t know why we think a child under 11 that can’t decide what they want for dinner is able to know they are ready to socially transition
Why don’t we look towards doctors and experts?
Because these topics are always full of 2 groups
Group 1 : no one should ever be able to trans and thus guidance isn’t enough
Group 2 : babies can decide to have HRT and a sex change surgery and this guidance is literally the holocaust x10
Both groups are extremists and neither want to know what the doctors say, they just want to push their own extremism on others
I looked for the guidance when it was on the news but couldn't find it.
I'm shocked it's for under 11s.
https://consult.education.gov.uk/equalities-political-impartiality-anti-bullying-team/gender-questioning-children-proposed-guidance/supporting_documents/Gender%20Questioning%20Children%20%20nonstatutory%20guidance.pdf
Also, remember, this is guidance, not law. No teachers will get in trouble for not following this or using it on a case to case basis
Many pro-trans people are doing their best to make it sound worse than it really is
This guidance was made with the help of the governments equality hub, they are extremely pro LGBT
https://consult.education.gov.uk/equalities-political-impartiality-anti-bullying-team/gender-questioning-children-proposed-guidance/supporting_documents/Gender%20Questioning%20Children%20%20nonstatutory%20guidance.pdf
(although link was buggy for me!)
What's the concern with the under 11 guidance ?
For me? Nothing, it seems fairly middle of the road
For a bunch of people that haven’t even read the guidance? It’s a trans holocaust where every parent is an abusive trans phone and every teacher must out kids against their will or better judgement poor quoting on my part. Thanks to you for the link (I was relying on finding the right bbc article)
Question was at whoever was shocked. Guidance says they should continue to use the sex-based pronouns while in primary. Sounds sensible. "
Me! I was shocked at under 11s needing guidance, not the actual guidance.
It's a human reaction not over reaction (especially as I've not read it yet) and no condemnation. I might after I read it though |
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"There is some appalling hatred towards children being spouted in this thread
Would you like to quote something posted in this thread that shows "hatred towards children".
Probably this
Good most of these kids identifying as “trans” are in reality gay, autistic, struggling with growing up, a bit weird, come from broken families or are suffering from other mental health problems or general social contagion.
Although I don’t disagree. The guidance is partially aimed at young children under 11
I don’t know why we think a child under 11 that can’t decide what they want for dinner is able to know they are ready to socially transition
Why don’t we look towards doctors and experts?
Because these topics are always full of 2 groups
Group 1 : no one should ever be able to trans and thus guidance isn’t enough
Group 2 : babies can decide to have HRT and a sex change surgery and this guidance is literally the holocaust x10
Both groups are extremists and neither want to know what the doctors say, they just want to push their own extremism on others
I looked for the guidance when it was on the news but couldn't find it.
I'm shocked it's for under 11s.
https://consult.education.gov.uk/equalities-political-impartiality-anti-bullying-team/gender-questioning-children-proposed-guidance/supporting_documents/Gender%20Questioning%20Children%20%20nonstatutory%20guidance.pdf
Also, remember, this is guidance, not law. No teachers will get in trouble for not following this or using it on a case to case basis
Many pro-trans people are doing their best to make it sound worse than it really is
This guidance was made with the help of the governments equality hub, they are extremely pro LGBT
https://consult.education.gov.uk/equalities-political-impartiality-anti-bullying-team/gender-questioning-children-proposed-guidance/supporting_documents/Gender%20Questioning%20Children%20%20nonstatutory%20guidance.pdf
(although link was buggy for me!)
What's the concern with the under 11 guidance ?
For me? Nothing, it seems fairly middle of the road
For a bunch of people that haven’t even read the guidance? It’s a trans holocaust where every parent is an abusive trans phone and every teacher must out kids against their will or better judgement poor quoting on my part. Thanks to you for the link (I was relying on finding the right bbc article)
Question was at whoever was shocked. Guidance says they should continue to use the sex-based pronouns while in primary. Sounds sensible.
Me! I was shocked at under 11s needing guidance, not the actual guidance.
It's a human reaction not over reaction (especially as I've not read it yet) and no condemnation. I might after I read it though "
fair enough. I took it as read guidance was needed in one form or another, as otherwise there would be a gap, so missread your shock.
From what I've read, the guidance looks to be common sense. The challenge will be in practice where someone disagrees that a child may or may not be risk if including the parents. Imo, if there is a risk here, there's likely a wider safeguarding risk.
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From what I've read, the guidance looks to be common sense. The challenge will be in practice where someone disagrees that a child may or may not be risk if including the parents. Imo, if there is a risk here, there's likely a wider safeguarding risk.
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My biggest issue with some of the people very against this is that they are worried outing a child could open them up to abuse
Their solution to that is that we shouldn’t be outing children
The problem there is that if a teacher think there’s enough of a risk, the answer isn’t just to not say anything. It’s to contact social services and have that child protected
Saying nothing in the face of a safeguarding issue is how children get hurt.
Saying nothing opens up the possibility that the parents find out some other way and the child is in danger
It’s feel gross to me, but most of the people really against this guidance seem to be hiding behind “we need to protests the kids” to push their “transition at any age” agenda, even if that means children keeping secrets with teachers, away from parents
It’s kinda gross, because it’s exactly what the far right hide behind.
Truly, both sides are as bad as each other. |
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From what I've read, the guidance looks to be common sense. The challenge will be in practice where someone disagrees that a child may or may not be risk if including the parents. Imo, if there is a risk here, there's likely a wider safeguarding risk.
My biggest issue with some of the people very against this is that they are worried outing a child could open them up to abuse
Their solution to that is that we shouldn’t be outing children
The problem there is that if a teacher think there’s enough of a risk, the answer isn’t just to not say anything. It’s to contact social services and have that child protected
Saying nothing in the face of a safeguarding issue is how children get hurt.
Saying nothing opens up the possibility that the parents find out some other way and the child is in danger
It’s feel gross to me, but most of the people really against this guidance seem to be hiding behind “we need to protests the kids” to push their “transition at any age” agenda, even if that means children keeping secrets with teachers, away from parents
It’s kinda gross, because it’s exactly what the far right hide behind.
Truly, both sides are as bad as each other. "
In healthcare and education, safeguarding is mandatory, as is relevant training. |
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From what I've read, the guidance looks to be common sense. The challenge will be in practice where someone disagrees that a child may or may not be risk if including the parents. Imo, if there is a risk here, there's likely a wider safeguarding risk.
My biggest issue with some of the people very against this is that they are worried outing a child could open them up to abuse
Their solution to that is that we shouldn’t be outing children
The problem there is that if a teacher think there’s enough of a risk, the answer isn’t just to not say anything. It’s to contact social services and have that child protected
Saying nothing in the face of a safeguarding issue is how children get hurt.
Saying nothing opens up the possibility that the parents find out some other way and the child is in danger
It’s feel gross to me, but most of the people really against this guidance seem to be hiding behind “we need to protests the kids” to push their “transition at any age” agenda, even if that means children keeping secrets with teachers, away from parents
It’s kinda gross, because it’s exactly what the far right hide behind.
Truly, both sides are as bad as each other.
In healthcare and education, safeguarding is mandatory, as is relevant training."
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From what I've read, the guidance looks to be common sense. The challenge will be in practice where someone disagrees that a child may or may not be risk if including the parents. Imo, if there is a risk here, there's likely a wider safeguarding risk.
My biggest issue with some of the people very against this is that they are worried outing a child could open them up to abuse
Their solution to that is that we shouldn’t be outing children
The problem there is that if a teacher think there’s enough of a risk, the answer isn’t just to not say anything. It’s to contact social services and have that child protected
Saying nothing in the face of a safeguarding issue is how children get hurt.
Saying nothing opens up the possibility that the parents find out some other way and the child is in danger
It’s feel gross to me, but most of the people really against this guidance seem to be hiding behind “we need to protests the kids” to push their “transition at any age” agenda, even if that means children keeping secrets with teachers, away from parents
It’s kinda gross, because it’s exactly what the far right hide behind.
Truly, both sides are as bad as each other. "
there will be extremes at either end. Whatever grain of truth they are hiding should be extracted and the rest ignored.
I always fear that the semi extremes (for want of a better term) on either side point to the extremes as why a policy etc is bad. That breaks down discourse between those who have strong views but ones that should be listened to. It also tends to undermine those with semi extreme views as they go raging against the bogeyman and seemingly start strawman wars.
I agree that any concerns about safeguarding is wider. And I'd say that this guidance does nothing to help manage the concerns you have raised. It's dealt with the 99pf of cases that could be dealt via common sense (and probably were) and has left teachers in the dark about the tricky case that everyone understandably cares about.
Imo the guidance has added nothing other than writing down what was probably happening in most cases.
You don't have to use their preferred pronouns, but can.
Engage the parents unless a safeguarding risk.
They need to continue to use their sex toilets etc, unless they have concerns, in which case look for alternatives. They cant use the opposite sex toilets etc.
(And tbh it's that latter bit that's useful to see and practical. But everyone gets worked up in pronouns.) |
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"There is some appalling hatred towards children being spouted in this thread, by people whose only knowledge of gender diversity issues comes from shitwipe tabloid newspapers. The governments own lawyers have advised that Badenoch's new "guidelines" are almost certainly illegal, and that any schools following these guidelines are going to lose when they are sued for the damage caused to transgender children. Badenoch is a vicious transphobic witch who is getting her rocks off through attacking one of the most vulnerable groups in society. There is nothing constructive in this new "guidance", it is calculated to cause pain.
Eighty years ago my father was viscously beaten by his teachers because he wrote with his left hand. In years to come we will be just as repulsed by the attitudes of Badenoch and her ilk, as we are now by the idea of physically punishing children for being left handed."
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"Good most of these kids identifying as “trans” are in reality gay, autistic, struggling with growing up, a bit weird, come from broken families or are suffering from other mental health problems or general social contagion.
They need to get proper specialist care which sadly has been lacking in the NHS which has been too focused on some kind of weird conversion therapy masquerading as affirmation in conjunction with ideological trans charities and pressure groups.
Most? And then you give a non-exhaustive list. Probably the only group not listed are those well adjusted children who identify as a different gender.
Personally I'd like to see a move away from labels and allow self discovery without judgement. Make growing up more generic to children than to boy/girl. Children can and do conflate gender identity and sexual orientation, eg I like girls, am I a girl liking girls or am I a boy in a girl's body liking girls.
At the same time we need structure for children to "bounce" off of.
I feel sorry for children growing up in the current gender climate.
So do I. You can’t enjoy just being a kid because some weirdo teacher is trying to get you to memorise 257 pronouns.
Imaginary situations with fictional teachers getting kids to memorise 257 pronouns, is definitely one of the big problems facing society in this day and age.
Yes something else that isn’t an issue. Just like immigration isn’t an issue.
Yeah the big four issues facing society are:
The fictional teachers thing.
Foreigners.
Labour.
People who understand Brexit (remoaners).
Your trying to be funny but you are actually correct if you re word it so you are not being facetious..
1) Factual Truths
2) mass population transfer on a scale never seen.
3) extreme left wing politics / culture war
4) Democracy and accountability forever being funnelled to bigger more distant bodies that are harder to hold to account or change. The WHO, EU being good examples.
It's getting harder to tell which posts are satirical or not.
It's getting harder to tell which men are women, which women are men and so on, nevermind keeping up with how you're expected to address someone without causing offence most of the time you address someone you use their name or you/your.
Not anymore you're meeting different people to me. The only people I know who third person are the Rock and Essex Tom.
Next suggestion: ask.
When I bump I to a 6ft plus beared fellow in a dress, I've no idea what to say but it's a given it's wrong.
Does this scenario happen so often that it's becoming a problem for you?"
Variations, yes |
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"Good most of these kids identifying as “trans” are in reality gay, autistic, struggling with growing up, a bit weird, come from broken families or are suffering from other mental health problems or general social contagion.
They need to get proper specialist care which sadly has been lacking in the NHS which has been too focused on some kind of weird conversion therapy masquerading as affirmation in conjunction with ideological trans charities and pressure groups.
Most? And then you give a non-exhaustive list. Probably the only group not listed are those well adjusted children who identify as a different gender.
Personally I'd like to see a move away from labels and allow self discovery without judgement. Make growing up more generic to children than to boy/girl. Children can and do conflate gender identity and sexual orientation, eg I like girls, am I a girl liking girls or am I a boy in a girl's body liking girls.
At the same time we need structure for children to "bounce" off of.
I feel sorry for children growing up in the current gender climate.
So do I. You can’t enjoy just being a kid because some weirdo teacher is trying to get you to memorise 257 pronouns.
Imaginary situations with fictional teachers getting kids to memorise 257 pronouns, is definitely one of the big problems facing society in this day and age.
Yes something else that isn’t an issue. Just like immigration isn’t an issue.
Yeah the big four issues facing society are:
The fictional teachers thing.
Foreigners.
Labour.
People who understand Brexit (remoaners).
Your trying to be funny but you are actually correct if you re word it so you are not being facetious..
1) Factual Truths
2) mass population transfer on a scale never seen.
3) extreme left wing politics / culture war
4) Democracy and accountability forever being funnelled to bigger more distant bodies that are harder to hold to account or change. The WHO, EU being good examples.
It's getting harder to tell which posts are satirical or not.
It's getting harder to tell which men are women, which women are men and so on, nevermind keeping up with how you're expected to address someone without causing offence most of the time you address someone you use their name or you/your.
Not anymore you're meeting different people to me. The only people I know who third person are the Rock and Essex Tom.
Next suggestion: ask.
When I bump I to a 6ft plus beared fellow in a dress, I've no idea what to say but it's a given it's wrong.
Does this scenario happen so often that it's becoming a problem for you?
Variations, yes"
And what about it was a problem for you?
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"Good most of these kids identifying as “trans” are in reality gay, autistic, struggling with growing up, a bit weird, come from broken families or are suffering from other mental health problems or general social contagion.
They need to get proper specialist care which sadly has been lacking in the NHS which has been too focused on some kind of weird conversion therapy masquerading as affirmation in conjunction with ideological trans charities and pressure groups.
Most? And then you give a non-exhaustive list. Probably the only group not listed are those well adjusted children who identify as a different gender.
Personally I'd like to see a move away from labels and allow self discovery without judgement. Make growing up more generic to children than to boy/girl. Children can and do conflate gender identity and sexual orientation, eg I like girls, am I a girl liking girls or am I a boy in a girl's body liking girls.
At the same time we need structure for children to "bounce" off of.
I feel sorry for children growing up in the current gender climate.
So do I. You can’t enjoy just being a kid because some weirdo teacher is trying to get you to memorise 257 pronouns.
Imaginary situations with fictional teachers getting kids to memorise 257 pronouns, is definitely one of the big problems facing society in this day and age.
Yes something else that isn’t an issue. Just like immigration isn’t an issue.
Yeah the big four issues facing society are:
The fictional teachers thing.
Foreigners.
Labour.
People who understand Brexit (remoaners).
Your trying to be funny but you are actually correct if you re word it so you are not being facetious..
1) Factual Truths
2) mass population transfer on a scale never seen.
3) extreme left wing politics / culture war
4) Democracy and accountability forever being funnelled to bigger more distant bodies that are harder to hold to account or change. The WHO, EU being good examples.
It's getting harder to tell which posts are satirical or not.
It's getting harder to tell which men are women, which women are men and so on, nevermind keeping up with how you're expected to address someone without causing offence most of the time you address someone you use their name or you/your.
Not anymore you're meeting different people to me. The only people I know who third person are the Rock and Essex Tom.
Next suggestion: ask.
When I bump I to a 6ft plus beared fellow in a dress, I've no idea what to say but it's a given it's wrong.
Does this scenario happen so often that it's becoming a problem for you?
Variations, yes
And what about it was a problem for you?
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"Good most of these kids identifying as “trans” are in reality gay, autistic, struggling with growing up, a bit weird, come from broken families or are suffering from other mental health problems or general social contagion.
They need to get proper specialist care which sadly has been lacking in the NHS which has been too focused on some kind of weird conversion therapy masquerading as affirmation in conjunction with ideological trans charities and pressure groups.
Most? And then you give a non-exhaustive list. Probably the only group not listed are those well adjusted children who identify as a different gender.
Personally I'd like to see a move away from labels and allow self discovery without judgement. Make growing up more generic to children than to boy/girl. Children can and do conflate gender identity and sexual orientation, eg I like girls, am I a girl liking girls or am I a boy in a girl's body liking girls.
At the same time we need structure for children to "bounce" off of.
I feel sorry for children growing up in the current gender climate.
So do I. You can’t enjoy just being a kid because some weirdo teacher is trying to get you to memorise 257 pronouns.
Imaginary situations with fictional teachers getting kids to memorise 257 pronouns, is definitely one of the big problems facing society in this day and age.
Yes something else that isn’t an issue. Just like immigration isn’t an issue.
Yeah the big four issues facing society are:
The fictional teachers thing.
Foreigners.
Labour.
People who understand Brexit (remoaners).
Your trying to be funny but you are actually correct if you re word it so you are not being facetious..
1) Factual Truths
2) mass population transfer on a scale never seen.
3) extreme left wing politics / culture war
4) Democracy and accountability forever being funnelled to bigger more distant bodies that are harder to hold to account or change. The WHO, EU being good examples.
It's getting harder to tell which posts are satirical or not.
It's getting harder to tell which men are women, which women are men and so on, nevermind keeping up with how you're expected to address someone without causing offence most of the time you address someone you use their name or you/your.
Not anymore you're meeting different people to me. The only people I know who third person are the Rock and Essex Tom.
Next suggestion: ask.
When I bump I to a 6ft plus beared fellow in a dress, I've no idea what to say but it's a given it's wrong.
Does this scenario happen so often that it's becoming a problem for you?
Variations, yes
And what about it was a problem for you?
I speak as I find, and I believe it's my right. Increasingly, it's a case of the vocal minority objecting. Don't go pretending you're exempt to this "
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"Good most of these kids identifying as “trans” are in reality gay, autistic, struggling with growing up, a bit weird, come from broken families or are suffering from other mental health problems or general social contagion.
They need to get proper specialist care which sadly has been lacking in the NHS which has been too focused on some kind of weird conversion therapy masquerading as affirmation in conjunction with ideological trans charities and pressure groups.
Most? And then you give a non-exhaustive list. Probably the only group not listed are those well adjusted children who identify as a different gender.
Personally I'd like to see a move away from labels and allow self discovery without judgement. Make growing up more generic to children than to boy/girl. Children can and do conflate gender identity and sexual orientation, eg I like girls, am I a girl liking girls or am I a boy in a girl's body liking girls.
At the same time we need structure for children to "bounce" off of.
I feel sorry for children growing up in the current gender climate.
So do I. You can’t enjoy just being a kid because some weirdo teacher is trying to get you to memorise 257 pronouns.
Imaginary situations with fictional teachers getting kids to memorise 257 pronouns, is definitely one of the big problems facing society in this day and age.
Yes something else that isn’t an issue. Just like immigration isn’t an issue.
Yeah the big four issues facing society are:
The fictional teachers thing.
Foreigners.
Labour.
People who understand Brexit (remoaners).
Your trying to be funny but you are actually correct if you re word it so you are not being facetious..
1) Factual Truths
2) mass population transfer on a scale never seen.
3) extreme left wing politics / culture war
4) Democracy and accountability forever being funnelled to bigger more distant bodies that are harder to hold to account or change. The WHO, EU being good examples.
It's getting harder to tell which posts are satirical or not.
It's getting harder to tell which men are women, which women are men and so on, nevermind keeping up with how you're expected to address someone without causing offence most of the time you address someone you use their name or you/your.
Not anymore you're meeting different people to me. The only people I know who third person are the Rock and Essex Tom.
Next suggestion: ask.
When I bump I to a 6ft plus beared fellow in a dress, I've no idea what to say but it's a given it's wrong.
Does this scenario happen so often that it's becoming a problem for you?
Variations, yes
And what about it was a problem for you?
I speak as I find, and I believe it's my right. Increasingly, it's a case of the vocal minority objecting. Don't go pretending you're exempt to this
Honestly, I Just talk to people like human beings, it's always been fine and I've never had this issue. "
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"Good most of these kids identifying as “trans” are in reality gay, autistic, struggling with growing up, a bit weird, come from broken families or are suffering from other mental health problems or general social contagion.
They need to get proper specialist care which sadly has been lacking in the NHS which has been too focused on some kind of weird conversion therapy masquerading as affirmation in conjunction with ideological trans charities and pressure groups.
Most? And then you give a non-exhaustive list. Probably the only group not listed are those well adjusted children who identify as a different gender.
Personally I'd like to see a move away from labels and allow self discovery without judgement. Make growing up more generic to children than to boy/girl. Children can and do conflate gender identity and sexual orientation, eg I like girls, am I a girl liking girls or am I a boy in a girl's body liking girls.
At the same time we need structure for children to "bounce" off of.
I feel sorry for children growing up in the current gender climate.
So do I. You can’t enjoy just being a kid because some weirdo teacher is trying to get you to memorise 257 pronouns.
Imaginary situations with fictional teachers getting kids to memorise 257 pronouns, is definitely one of the big problems facing society in this day and age.
Yes something else that isn’t an issue. Just like immigration isn’t an issue.
Yeah the big four issues facing society are:
The fictional teachers thing.
Foreigners.
Labour.
People who understand Brexit (remoaners).
Your trying to be funny but you are actually correct if you re word it so you are not being facetious..
1) Factual Truths
2) mass population transfer on a scale never seen.
3) extreme left wing politics / culture war
4) Democracy and accountability forever being funnelled to bigger more distant bodies that are harder to hold to account or change. The WHO, EU being good examples.
It's getting harder to tell which posts are satirical or not.
It's getting harder to tell which men are women, which women are men and so on, nevermind keeping up with how you're expected to address someone without causing offence most of the time you address someone you use their name or you/your.
Not anymore you're meeting different people to me. The only people I know who third person are the Rock and Essex Tom.
Next suggestion: ask.
When I bump I to a 6ft plus beared fellow in a dress, I've no idea what to say but it's a given it's wrong.
Does this scenario happen so often that it's becoming a problem for you?
Variations, yes
And what about it was a problem for you?
I speak as I find, and I believe it's my right. Increasingly, it's a case of the vocal minority objecting. Don't go pretending you're exempt to this
Honestly, I Just talk to people like human beings, it's always been fine and I've never had this issue.
Good for you "
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"Good most of these kids identifying as “trans” are in reality gay, autistic, struggling with growing up, a bit weird, come from broken families or are suffering from other mental health problems or general social contagion.
They need to get proper specialist care which sadly has been lacking in the NHS which has been too focused on some kind of weird conversion therapy masquerading as affirmation in conjunction with ideological trans charities and pressure groups.
Most? And then you give a non-exhaustive list. Probably the only group not listed are those well adjusted children who identify as a different gender.
Personally I'd like to see a move away from labels and allow self discovery without judgement. Make growing up more generic to children than to boy/girl. Children can and do conflate gender identity and sexual orientation, eg I like girls, am I a girl liking girls or am I a boy in a girl's body liking girls.
At the same time we need structure for children to "bounce" off of.
I feel sorry for children growing up in the current gender climate.
So do I. You can’t enjoy just being a kid because some weirdo teacher is trying to get you to memorise 257 pronouns.
Imaginary situations with fictional teachers getting kids to memorise 257 pronouns, is definitely one of the big problems facing society in this day and age.
Yes something else that isn’t an issue. Just like immigration isn’t an issue.
Yeah the big four issues facing society are:
The fictional teachers thing.
Foreigners.
Labour.
People who understand Brexit (remoaners).
Your trying to be funny but you are actually correct if you re word it so you are not being facetious..
1) Factual Truths
2) mass population transfer on a scale never seen.
3) extreme left wing politics / culture war
4) Democracy and accountability forever being funnelled to bigger more distant bodies that are harder to hold to account or change. The WHO, EU being good examples.
It's getting harder to tell which posts are satirical or not.
It's getting harder to tell which men are women, which women are men and so on, nevermind keeping up with how you're expected to address someone without causing offence most of the time you address someone you use their name or you/your.
Not anymore you're meeting different people to me. The only people I know who third person are the Rock and Essex Tom.
Next suggestion: ask.
When I bump I to a 6ft plus beared fellow in a dress, I've no idea what to say but it's a given it's wrong.
Does this scenario happen so often that it's becoming a problem for you?
Variations, yes
And what about it was a problem for you?
I speak as I find, and I believe it's my right. Increasingly, it's a case of the vocal minority objecting. Don't go pretending you're exempt to this
Honestly, I Just talk to people like human beings, it's always been fine and I've never had this issue.
Good for you
Maybe give it a try. Might be an easy way to solve your problem. "
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"Good most of these kids identifying as “trans” are in reality gay, autistic, struggling with growing up, a bit weird, come from broken families or are suffering from other mental health problems or general social contagion.
They need to get proper specialist care which sadly has been lacking in the NHS which has been too focused on some kind of weird conversion therapy masquerading as affirmation in conjunction with ideological trans charities and pressure groups.
Most? And then you give a non-exhaustive list. Probably the only group not listed are those well adjusted children who identify as a different gender.
Personally I'd like to see a move away from labels and allow self discovery without judgement. Make growing up more generic to children than to boy/girl. Children can and do conflate gender identity and sexual orientation, eg I like girls, am I a girl liking girls or am I a boy in a girl's body liking girls.
At the same time we need structure for children to "bounce" off of.
I feel sorry for children growing up in the current gender climate.
So do I. You can’t enjoy just being a kid because some weirdo teacher is trying to get you to memorise 257 pronouns.
Imaginary situations with fictional teachers getting kids to memorise 257 pronouns, is definitely one of the big problems facing society in this day and age.
Yes something else that isn’t an issue. Just like immigration isn’t an issue.
Yeah the big four issues facing society are:
The fictional teachers thing.
Foreigners.
Labour.
People who understand Brexit (remoaners).
Your trying to be funny but you are actually correct if you re word it so you are not being facetious..
1) Factual Truths
2) mass population transfer on a scale never seen.
3) extreme left wing politics / culture war
4) Democracy and accountability forever being funnelled to bigger more distant bodies that are harder to hold to account or change. The WHO, EU being good examples.
It's getting harder to tell which posts are satirical or not.
It's getting harder to tell which men are women, which women are men and so on, nevermind keeping up with how you're expected to address someone without causing offence most of the time you address someone you use their name or you/your.
Not anymore you're meeting different people to me. The only people I know who third person are the Rock and Essex Tom.
Next suggestion: ask.
When I bump I to a 6ft plus beared fellow in a dress, I've no idea what to say but it's a given it's wrong.
Does this scenario happen so often that it's becoming a problem for you?
Variations, yes
And what about it was a problem for you?
I speak as I find, and I believe it's my right. Increasingly, it's a case of the vocal minority objecting. Don't go pretending you're exempt to this
Honestly, I Just talk to people like human beings, it's always been fine and I've never had this issue.
Good for you
Maybe give it a try. Might be an easy way to solve your problem.
As I said, I speak as I find and I have no issue with anyone until I'm given reason to. It's not a one way street "
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