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By *mateur100 OP   Man 7 weeks ago

nr faversham

Is this a serious claim? Since it's in front of the highest UN court I have to assume that this nonsense is being taken seriously...yet nothing from SA on the similarly genocidal act by their russian buddies. And the toothless UN gets closer to oblivion

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By *mateur100 OP   Man 7 weeks ago

nr faversham

My apologies, I didn't see the original post

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By *abioMan 5 weeks ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

Bumping up this thread since the other thread got too big

Anyway… Isreal have asked for the case to be dismissed, that has been rejected

The summary provisional judgement is being announced.. and it sounds like it is going South Africa’s way… looks like it is a 15-2 vote of the judges in favour of South Africa.. and some parts are 16-1

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By *abioMan 5 weeks ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

The court has basically given South Africa everything they asked for and ordered Israel to take measures to prevent a genocide… but just stopped short of ordering Israel to enact a ceasefire

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By *enSiskoMan 5 weeks ago

Cestus 3


"The court has basically given South Africa everything they asked for and ordered Israel to take measures to prevent a genocide… but just stopped short of ordering Israel to enact a ceasefire "

Just read the news and I wonder why a ceasefire wasn't requested.

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By *resesse_MelioremCouple 5 weeks ago

Border of London

Had the court had ordered a ceasefire, then those who supported a ceasefire would call upon those who disagreed to respect the decision of such an important international body. Now that a ceasefire has not been called, those same people will say that the court is in the pockets of rich Jews and the USA.

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By *resesse_MelioremCouple 5 weeks ago

Border of London


"

Just read the news and I wonder why a ceasefire wasn't requested."

Because of (possibly) two reasons.

(a) a ceasefire is not required to prevent genocide (in the literal, not social media figurative definition).

(b) (conjecture) the court ordering a ceasefire would mean that a group could terrorise, kid-nap then hide behind civilians and get immunity (relatively speaking) - it would be overstep and a dangerous precedent.

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By *resesse_MelioremCouple 5 weeks ago

Border of London


"The court has basically given South Africa everything they asked for and ordered Israel to take measures to prevent a genocide… but just stopped short of ordering Israel to enact a ceasefire "

That is an interesting take on it. The only *material* ask was a ceasefire, which was rejected.

In summary, Israel was told, "We're keeping an eye on you. You've gone over the top somewhat and you need to hold back. We will hold you to account. And Hamas - stop being dicks".

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By *eroy1000Man 5 weeks ago

milton keynes


"The court has basically given South Africa everything they asked for and ordered Israel to take measures to prevent a genocide… but just stopped short of ordering Israel to enact a ceasefire

That is an interesting take on it. The only *material* ask was a ceasefire, which was rejected.

In summary, Israel was told, "We're keeping an eye on you. You've gone over the top somewhat and you need to hold back. We will hold you to account. And Hamas - stop being dicks"."

If Israel just carry on as before, then what happens. How are these decisions enforced?

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By *estivalMan 5 weeks ago

borehamwood


"The court has basically given South Africa everything they asked for and ordered Israel to take measures to prevent a genocide… but just stopped short of ordering Israel to enact a ceasefire

That is an interesting take on it. The only *material* ask was a ceasefire, which was rejected.

In summary, Israel was told, "We're keeping an eye on you. You've gone over the top somewhat and you need to hold back. We will hold you to account. And Hamas - stop being dicks".

If Israel just carry on as before, then what happens. How are these decisions enforced?"

who knows hopefully they will issue an arrest warrant for benny nutty yahoo

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By *0shadesOfFilthMan 5 weeks ago

nearby


"Is this a serious claim? Since it's in front of the highest UN court I have to assume that this nonsense is being taken seriously...yet nothing from SA on the similarly genocidal act by their russian buddies. And the toothless UN gets closer to oblivion "

25k+ dead civilians

Half of them children

USA uk and allies supervising the killing

Forget the UN court it’s the retaliation by suicide bombers to be worried about. Allies have made the western countries unsafe.

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By *ustABaldBeardedVikingMan 5 weeks ago

Hinckley


"Is this a serious claim? Since it's in front of the highest UN court I have to assume that this nonsense is being taken seriously...yet nothing from SA on the similarly genocidal act by their russian buddies. And the toothless UN gets closer to oblivion "

25k dead. What about that is nonsense? Do you think 25k isn't enough? Would you prefer more dead in order for this to be seen for what it is?

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple 5 weeks ago

in Lancashire

SA of course are not selling arms to Putin at the same time they've become all torn by morality on Gaza..

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By *resesse_MelioremCouple 5 weeks ago

Border of London


"

25k dead. What about that is nonsense? Do you think 25k isn't enough? Would you prefer more dead in order for this to be seen for what it is?

"

Genocide is, at the very least not clear cut, and arguably nonsense. That was the point of the OP. Not that the horrific deaths of innocents is nonsense.

Now there have been actual cases of genocide and ethnic cleansing in recent history, both in the Middle East and Asia. For some reason, those don't get so much attention.

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By *0shadesOfFilthMan 5 weeks ago

nearby


"Is this a serious claim? Since it's in front of the highest UN court I have to assume that this nonsense is being taken seriously...yet nothing from SA on the similarly genocidal act by their russian buddies. And the toothless UN gets closer to oblivion

25k dead. What about that is nonsense? Do you think 25k isn't enough? Would you prefer more dead in order for this to be seen for what it is?

"

The UN is useless. Took them three and a half years to get peacekeepers into Bosnia after 120,000 were killed.

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By (user no longer on site) 5 weeks ago


"Is this a serious claim? Since it's in front of the highest UN court I have to assume that this nonsense is being taken seriously...yet nothing from SA on the similarly genocidal act by their russian buddies. And the toothless UN gets closer to oblivion

25k dead. What about that is nonsense? Do you think 25k isn't enough? Would you prefer more dead in order for this to be seen for what it is?

"

Numbers don’t indicate genocide at all

Israel is not committing a genocide.This is Islamists getting a very mild version of what they deserve

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By *0shadesOfFilthMan 5 weeks ago

nearby


"

25k dead. What about that is nonsense? Do you think 25k isn't enough? Would you prefer more dead in order for this to be seen for what it is?

Genocide is, at the very least not clear cut, and arguably nonsense. That was the point of the OP. Not that the horrific deaths of innocents is nonsense.

Now there have been actual cases of genocide and ethnic cleansing in recent history, both in the Middle East and Asia. For some reason, those don't get so much attention."

Mass murder will do, unarmed civilians bombed in their beds. One million displaced.

Satans children did this.

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By *ustABaldBeardedVikingMan 5 weeks ago

Hinckley


"

25k dead. What about that is nonsense? Do you think 25k isn't enough? Would you prefer more dead in order for this to be seen for what it is?

Genocide is, at the very least not clear cut, and arguably nonsense. That was the point of the OP. Not that the horrific deaths of innocents is nonsense.

Now there have been actual cases of genocide and ethnic cleansing in recent history, both in the Middle East and Asia. For some reason, those don't get so much attention."

"Genocide is the intentional destruction of a people in whole or in part."

The intention from Israel is to take over Gaza and kill as many innocent people as possible.

As of Tuesday 26 December, 29,124 Palestinians had been killed.

11,422 children.

5,822 women.

481 health personnel.

101 journalists.

This isn't nonsense, anyone claiming this as nonsense is a danger to the UK and is supporting terrorism. Simple as that.

Hamas, an equally disgusting and disturbing regime, much like Israel murdered what appears to be less than 1000 people.

There is no justification for this.

Defending either side is defending terrorism and genocide. However the Palestinians who have lives there for centuries will be the ones who lose out. Meanwhile the mass migration from the area will make our lives harder because instead of building our NHS and education services back to the strengths we need, our taxes are going towards supporting Israel, a terror nation.

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By *wisted999Man 5 weeks ago

North Bucks


"

25k dead. What about that is nonsense? Do you think 25k isn't enough? Would you prefer more dead in order for this to be seen for what it is?

Genocide is, at the very least not clear cut, and arguably nonsense. That was the point of the OP. Not that the horrific deaths of innocents is nonsense.

Now there have been actual cases of genocide and ethnic cleansing in recent history, both in the Middle East and Asia. For some reason, those don't get so much attention."

I wonder why?

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By *0shadesOfFilthMan 5 weeks ago

nearby


"

25k dead. What about that is nonsense? Do you think 25k isn't enough? Would you prefer more dead in order for this to be seen for what it is?

Genocide is, at the very least not clear cut, and arguably nonsense. That was the point of the OP. Not that the horrific deaths of innocents is nonsense.

Now there have been actual cases of genocide and ethnic cleansing in recent history, both in the Middle East and Asia. For some reason, those don't get so much attention.

"Genocide is the intentional destruction of a people in whole or in part."

The intention from Israel is to take over Gaza and kill as many innocent people as possible.

As of Tuesday 26 December, 29,124 Palestinians had been killed.

11,422 children.

5,822 women.

481 health personnel.

101 journalists.

This isn't nonsense, anyone claiming this as nonsense is a danger to the UK and is supporting terrorism. Simple as that.

Hamas, an equally disgusting and disturbing regime, much like Israel murdered what appears to be less than 1000 people.

There is no justification for this.

Defending either side is defending terrorism and genocide. However the Palestinians who have lives there for centuries will be the ones who lose out. Meanwhile the mass migration from the area will make our lives harder because instead of building our NHS and education services back to the strengths we need, our taxes are going towards supporting Israel, a terror nation. "

These horrific numbers are a fraction of those killed, maimed, homeless, displaced by UK war crimes in Iraq.

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By *otMe66Man 5 weeks ago

Terra Firma


"

25k dead. What about that is nonsense? Do you think 25k isn't enough? Would you prefer more dead in order for this to be seen for what it is?

Genocide is, at the very least not clear cut, and arguably nonsense. That was the point of the OP. Not that the horrific deaths of innocents is nonsense.

Now there have been actual cases of genocide and ethnic cleansing in recent history, both in the Middle East and Asia. For some reason, those don't get so much attention.

"Genocide is the intentional destruction of a people in whole or in part."

The intention from Israel is to take over Gaza and kill as many innocent people as possible.

As of Tuesday 26 December, 29,124 Palestinians had been killed.

11,422 children.

5,822 women.

481 health personnel.

101 journalists.

This isn't nonsense, anyone claiming this as nonsense is a danger to the UK and is supporting terrorism. Simple as that.

Hamas, an equally disgusting and disturbing regime, much like Israel murdered what appears to be less than 1000 people.

There is no justification for this.

Defending either side is defending terrorism and genocide. However the Palestinians who have lives there for centuries will be the ones who lose out. Meanwhile the mass migration from the area will make our lives harder because instead of building our NHS and education services back to the strengths we need, our taxes are going towards supporting Israel, a terror nation.

These horrific numbers are a fraction of those killed, maimed, homeless, displaced by UK war crimes in Iraq. "

I never really understand how to take posts that have this type of comparison...

Are you saying whatever has happened is okay because the UK has done worse? Which is a strange way of looking at things.

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By *ustABaldBeardedVikingMan 5 weeks ago

Hinckley


"

25k dead. What about that is nonsense? Do you think 25k isn't enough? Would you prefer more dead in order for this to be seen for what it is?

Genocide is, at the very least not clear cut, and arguably nonsense. That was the point of the OP. Not that the horrific deaths of innocents is nonsense.

Now there have been actual cases of genocide and ethnic cleansing in recent history, both in the Middle East and Asia. For some reason, those don't get so much attention.

"Genocide is the intentional destruction of a people in whole or in part."

The intention from Israel is to take over Gaza and kill as many innocent people as possible.

As of Tuesday 26 December, 29,124 Palestinians had been killed.

11,422 children.

5,822 women.

481 health personnel.

101 journalists.

This isn't nonsense, anyone claiming this as nonsense is a danger to the UK and is supporting terrorism. Simple as that.

Hamas, an equally disgusting and disturbing regime, much like Israel murdered what appears to be less than 1000 people.

There is no justification for this.

Defending either side is defending terrorism and genocide. However the Palestinians who have lives there for centuries will be the ones who lose out. Meanwhile the mass migration from the area will make our lives harder because instead of building our NHS and education services back to the strengths we need, our taxes are going towards supporting Israel, a terror nation.

These horrific numbers are a fraction of those killed, maimed, homeless, displaced by UK war crimes in Iraq. "

And I was protesting against those too. For Iraq I was too young, but I have been lobbying my MP for decades.

I'm not sure your point though, in relation to what's currently happening?

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By *0shadesOfFilthMan 5 weeks ago

nearby


"

25k dead. What about that is nonsense? Do you think 25k isn't enough? Would you prefer more dead in order for this to be seen for what it is?

Genocide is, at the very least not clear cut, and arguably nonsense. That was the point of the OP. Not that the horrific deaths of innocents is nonsense.

Now there have been actual cases of genocide and ethnic cleansing in recent history, both in the Middle East and Asia. For some reason, those don't get so much attention.

"Genocide is the intentional destruction of a people in whole or in part."

The intention from Israel is to take over Gaza and kill as many innocent people as possible.

As of Tuesday 26 December, 29,124 Palestinians had been killed.

11,422 children.

5,822 women.

481 health personnel.

101 journalists.

This isn't nonsense, anyone claiming this as nonsense is a danger to the UK and is supporting terrorism. Simple as that.

Hamas, an equally disgusting and disturbing regime, much like Israel murdered what appears to be less than 1000 people.

There is no justification for this.

Defending either side is defending terrorism and genocide. However the Palestinians who have lives there for centuries will be the ones who lose out. Meanwhile the mass migration from the area will make our lives harder because instead of building our NHS and education services back to the strengths we need, our taxes are going towards supporting Israel, a terror nation.

These horrific numbers are a fraction of those killed, maimed, homeless, displaced by UK war crimes in Iraq.

I never really understand how to take posts that have this type of comparison...

Are you saying whatever has happened is okay because the UK has done worse? Which is a strange way of looking at things.

"

Three years ago on a groundwork’s job I asked one of the lads to clear out a garden shed, it was a large estate in probate. He returned with a leather case, we found papers in it for a woman. In my hand the reverse ‘red J’ Deutschmark Reich Pass dated 25 January 1939 stamped with swastika. The home town, Wien (Vienna) when I googled it was later taken by the Nazis and thousands murdered as part of the holocaust. The other documents include the UK Alien Order 1920 certificate of registration on arrival in uk. It would appear from papers the lady spent her life working in the health service.

Really I should take the documents to the British museum

To answer your question about comparisons, none.

The only point I wanted to make is we have learnt nothing. The UK using our tax’s is assisting in the murder of Gazans (not directly killing but through logistics, spy planes etc ) those reported 29,000 killed are not terrorists.

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By (user no longer on site) 5 weeks ago


"

25k dead. What about that is nonsense? Do you think 25k isn't enough? Would you prefer more dead in order for this to be seen for what it is?

Genocide is, at the very least not clear cut, and arguably nonsense. That was the point of the OP. Not that the horrific deaths of innocents is nonsense.

Now there have been actual cases of genocide and ethnic cleansing in recent history, both in the Middle East and Asia. For some reason, those don't get so much attention.

"Genocide is the intentional destruction of a people in whole or in part."

The intention from Israel is to take over Gaza and kill as many innocent people as possible.

As of Tuesday 26 December, 29,124 Palestinians had been killed.

11,422 children.

5,822 women.

481 health personnel.

101 journalists.

This isn't nonsense, anyone claiming this as nonsense is a danger to the UK and is supporting terrorism. Simple as that.

Hamas, an equally disgusting and disturbing regime, much like Israel murdered what appears to be less than 1000 people.

There is no justification for this.

Defending either side is defending terrorism and genocide. However the Palestinians who have lives there for centuries will be the ones who lose out. Meanwhile the mass migration from the area will make our lives harder because instead of building our NHS and education services back to the strengths we need, our taxes are going towards supporting Israel, a terror nation.

These horrific numbers are a fraction of those killed, maimed, homeless, displaced by UK war crimes in Iraq.

I never really understand how to take posts that have this type of comparison...

Are you saying whatever has happened is okay because the UK has done worse? Which is a strange way of looking at things.

Three years ago on a groundwork’s job I asked one of the lads to clear out a garden shed, it was a large estate in probate. He returned with a leather case, we found papers in it for a woman. In my hand the reverse ‘red J’ Deutschmark Reich Pass dated 25 January 1939 stamped with swastika. The home town, Wien (Vienna) when I googled it was later taken by the Nazis and thousands murdered as part of the holocaust. The other documents include the UK Alien Order 1920 certificate of registration on arrival in uk. It would appear from papers the lady spent her life working in the health service.

Really I should take the documents to the British museum

To answer your question about comparisons, none.

The only point I wanted to make is we have learnt nothing. The UK using our tax’s is assisting in the murder of Gazans (not directly killing but through logistics, spy planes etc ) those reported 29,000 killed are not terrorists."

We’re killing them by looking at them?

There are terrorists everywhere in Gaza

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By *ustABaldBeardedVikingMan 5 weeks ago

Hinckley


"

25k dead. What about that is nonsense? Do you think 25k isn't enough? Would you prefer more dead in order for this to be seen for what it is?

Genocide is, at the very least not clear cut, and arguably nonsense. That was the point of the OP. Not that the horrific deaths of innocents is nonsense.

Now there have been actual cases of genocide and ethnic cleansing in recent history, both in the Middle East and Asia. For some reason, those don't get so much attention.

"Genocide is the intentional destruction of a people in whole or in part."

The intention from Israel is to take over Gaza and kill as many innocent people as possible.

As of Tuesday 26 December, 29,124 Palestinians had been killed.

11,422 children.

5,822 women.

481 health personnel.

101 journalists.

This isn't nonsense, anyone claiming this as nonsense is a danger to the UK and is supporting terrorism. Simple as that.

Hamas, an equally disgusting and disturbing regime, much like Israel murdered what appears to be less than 1000 people.

There is no justification for this.

Defending either side is defending terrorism and genocide. However the Palestinians who have lives there for centuries will be the ones who lose out. Meanwhile the mass migration from the area will make our lives harder because instead of building our NHS and education services back to the strengths we need, our taxes are going towards supporting Israel, a terror nation.

These horrific numbers are a fraction of those killed, maimed, homeless, displaced by UK war crimes in Iraq.

I never really understand how to take posts that have this type of comparison...

Are you saying whatever has happened is okay because the UK has done worse? Which is a strange way of looking at things.

Three years ago on a groundwork’s job I asked one of the lads to clear out a garden shed, it was a large estate in probate. He returned with a leather case, we found papers in it for a woman. In my hand the reverse ‘red J’ Deutschmark Reich Pass dated 25 January 1939 stamped with swastika. The home town, Wien (Vienna) when I googled it was later taken by the Nazis and thousands murdered as part of the holocaust. The other documents include the UK Alien Order 1920 certificate of registration on arrival in uk. It would appear from papers the lady spent her life working in the health service.

Really I should take the documents to the British museum

To answer your question about comparisons, none.

The only point I wanted to make is we have learnt nothing. The UK using our tax’s is assisting in the murder of Gazans (not directly killing but through logistics, spy planes etc ) those reported 29,000 killed are not terrorists."

The numbers now are likely closer to 35000.

You're preaching to the converted here. That's without taking into account colonialism.

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By *leasure domMan 5 weeks ago

Edinburgh

Israel is a rogue state, founded on terrorism, genocide and land theft.

The undisciplined, recklessly homicidal IDF (a terrorist organisation, if we apply definitions equally and objectively) has a decades-long history of murdering civilians, aid workers and journalists, without fear of repercussions or facing justice for their crimes.

Finally, the world is waking up to the unjust situation which has been faced by the Palestinians for decades. Western governments are unfortunately too slow to catch up with, or represent, the opinions and deep concerns of their populations over the horrific actions of Israel's most extremist government ever, against innocents.

No doubt Israel's apologists on here will deceitfully deploy the anti-semitism label, but let us be clear. Anti-zionism is an entirely legitimate point of view (even held by some Jews) which should never be conflated with anti-semitism as some crude, shouty propagandist rebuttal.

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By *enSiskoMan 5 weeks ago

Cestus 3

This situation is very easy to overcome but it will take us a couple months to take action, that is if you want to.

Firstly write to your local M.P detailing your concerns relating to the current situation, tell the M.P what it is you want, and let the M.P know that if this situation has not been addressed he they cannot count on your vote at the coming election.

Now many have done this but the M.P's well the majority have done nothing, so when polling day comes kick them out of their seat and cause mass disruption within the political class.

If we all do not act then you will come to realise why they no longer listen to us and do there own thing till come polling day.

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By *idnight RamblerMan 5 weeks ago

Pershore

If not genocide what is it? 20 to 30,000 civilians killed whilst penned behind steel fences. Half the dead women and children. What is the purpose of so many civilian deaths? Modern munitions can be accurately targeted. Civilians are not a military threat. So why?

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan 5 weeks ago

golden fields


"If not genocide what is it? 20 to 30,000 civilians killed whilst penned behind steel fences. Half the dead women and children. What is the purpose of so many civilian deaths? Modern munitions can be accurately targeted. Civilians are not a military threat. So why?"

$$$

Simple as that.

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By *otMe66Man 5 weeks ago

Terra Firma


"

25k dead. What about that is nonsense? Do you think 25k isn't enough? Would you prefer more dead in order for this to be seen for what it is?

Genocide is, at the very least not clear cut, and arguably nonsense. That was the point of the OP. Not that the horrific deaths of innocents is nonsense.

Now there have been actual cases of genocide and ethnic cleansing in recent history, both in the Middle East and Asia. For some reason, those don't get so much attention.

"Genocide is the intentional destruction of a people in whole or in part."

The intention from Israel is to take over Gaza and kill as many innocent people as possible.

As of Tuesday 26 December, 29,124 Palestinians had been killed.

11,422 children.

5,822 women.

481 health personnel.

101 journalists.

This isn't nonsense, anyone claiming this as nonsense is a danger to the UK and is supporting terrorism. Simple as that.

Hamas, an equally disgusting and disturbing regime, much like Israel murdered what appears to be less than 1000 people.

There is no justification for this.

Defending either side is defending terrorism and genocide. However the Palestinians who have lives there for centuries will be the ones who lose out. Meanwhile the mass migration from the area will make our lives harder because instead of building our NHS and education services back to the strengths we need, our taxes are going towards supporting Israel, a terror nation.

These horrific numbers are a fraction of those killed, maimed, homeless, displaced by UK war crimes in Iraq.

I never really understand how to take posts that have this type of comparison...

Are you saying whatever has happened is okay because the UK has done worse? Which is a strange way of looking at things.

Three years ago on a groundwork’s job I asked one of the lads to clear out a garden shed, it was a large estate in probate. He returned with a leather case, we found papers in it for a woman. In my hand the reverse ‘red J’ Deutschmark Reich Pass dated 25 January 1939 stamped with swastika. The home town, Wien (Vienna) when I googled it was later taken by the Nazis and thousands murdered as part of the holocaust. The other documents include the UK Alien Order 1920 certificate of registration on arrival in uk. It would appear from papers the lady spent her life working in the health service.

Really I should take the documents to the British museum

To answer your question about comparisons, none.

The only point I wanted to make is we have learnt nothing. The UK using our tax’s is assisting in the murder of Gazans (not directly killing but through logistics, spy planes etc ) those reported 29,000 killed are not terrorists.

The numbers now are likely closer to 35000.

You're preaching to the converted here. That's without taking into account colonialism. "

What do you mean by "That's without taking into account colonialism"?

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By *otMe66Man 5 weeks ago

Terra Firma


"Israel is a rogue state, founded on terrorism, genocide and land theft.

The undisciplined, recklessly homicidal IDF (a terrorist organisation, if we apply definitions equally and objectively) has a decades-long history of murdering civilians, aid workers and journalists, without fear of repercussions or facing justice for their crimes.

Finally, the world is waking up to the unjust situation which has been faced by the Palestinians for decades. Western governments are unfortunately too slow to catch up with, or represent, the opinions and deep concerns of their populations over the horrific actions of Israel's most extremist government ever, against innocents.

No doubt Israel's apologists on here will deceitfully deploy the anti-semitism label, but let us be clear. Anti-zionism is an entirely legitimate point of view (even held by some Jews) which should never be conflated with anti-semitism as some crude, shouty propagandist rebuttal."

I think you might need to look further back into the history of the region before presenting what you say as facts.

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By *otMe66Man 5 weeks ago

Terra Firma


"

25k dead. What about that is nonsense? Do you think 25k isn't enough? Would you prefer more dead in order for this to be seen for what it is?

Genocide is, at the very least not clear cut, and arguably nonsense. That was the point of the OP. Not that the horrific deaths of innocents is nonsense.

Now there have been actual cases of genocide and ethnic cleansing in recent history, both in the Middle East and Asia. For some reason, those don't get so much attention.

"Genocide is the intentional destruction of a people in whole or in part."

The intention from Israel is to take over Gaza and kill as many innocent people as possible.

As of Tuesday 26 December, 29,124 Palestinians had been killed.

11,422 children.

5,822 women.

481 health personnel.

101 journalists.

This isn't nonsense, anyone claiming this as nonsense is a danger to the UK and is supporting terrorism. Simple as that.

Hamas, an equally disgusting and disturbing regime, much like Israel murdered what appears to be less than 1000 people.

There is no justification for this.

Defending either side is defending terrorism and genocide. However the Palestinians who have lives there for centuries will be the ones who lose out. Meanwhile the mass migration from the area will make our lives harder because instead of building our NHS and education services back to the strengths we need, our taxes are going towards supporting Israel, a terror nation.

These horrific numbers are a fraction of those killed, maimed, homeless, displaced by UK war crimes in Iraq.

I never really understand how to take posts that have this type of comparison...

Are you saying whatever has happened is okay because the UK has done worse? Which is a strange way of looking at things.

Three years ago on a groundwork’s job I asked one of the lads to clear out a garden shed, it was a large estate in probate. He returned with a leather case, we found papers in it for a woman. In my hand the reverse ‘red J’ Deutschmark Reich Pass dated 25 January 1939 stamped with swastika. The home town, Wien (Vienna) when I googled it was later taken by the Nazis and thousands murdered as part of the holocaust. The other documents include the UK Alien Order 1920 certificate of registration on arrival in uk. It would appear from papers the lady spent her life working in the health service.

Really I should take the documents to the British museum

To answer your question about comparisons, none.

The only point I wanted to make is we have learnt nothing. The UK using our tax’s is assisting in the murder of Gazans (not directly killing but through logistics, spy planes etc ) those reported 29,000 killed are not terrorists."

I understand your point but do you think the people of Gaza should stand against the terrorist self imposed government and look to better their lives? I say self imposed because hamas hasn't let the people vote since 2006 and that is a problem, do the Palestinian people support hamas and the war it has brought upon them or not? We don't know for sure! The population has a high percentage of children, around 50%, which means that half the population have never voted for hamas.

All of this means nothing when the people are being bombed to death, but when it stops as it must what happens next?

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By *amish SMan 5 weeks ago

Eastleigh

Strange it got to a court ruling, surely same verdict should apply to Russia invading Ukraine. Don't see SA raising that issue, though it wont be long before they feel the Russian affect directly on the African continent.

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By *resesse_MelioremCouple 5 weeks ago

Border of London


"Strange it got to a court ruling, surely same verdict should apply to Russia invading Ukraine. Don't see SA raising that issue, though it wont be long before they feel the Russian affect directly on the African continent. "

Iran asked Russia to ask South Africa to bring this case to force Israel into a ceasefire. That's the geopolitical background here.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple 5 weeks ago

in Lancashire


"Strange it got to a court ruling, surely same verdict should apply to Russia invading Ukraine. Don't see SA raising that issue, though it wont be long before they feel the Russian affect directly on the African continent.

Iran asked Russia to ask South Africa to bring this case to force Israel into a ceasefire. That's the geopolitical background here."

Pretty much, SA are beholden to Russia for back in the day support of the ANC..

Payback..

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By (user no longer on site) 5 weeks ago


"Strange it got to a court ruling, surely same verdict should apply to Russia invading Ukraine. Don't see SA raising that issue, though it wont be long before they feel the Russian affect directly on the African continent.

Iran asked Russia to ask South Africa to bring this case to force Israel into a ceasefire. That's the geopolitical background here.

Pretty much, SA are beholden to Russia for back in the day support of the ANC..

Payback.."

More to do with Israel’s support of the apartheid regime.It is revenge pure and simple

The Russians back Isreal fully.USA also supported ANC back in the day it was one of the many east west agreements.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple 5 weeks ago

in Lancashire


"Strange it got to a court ruling, surely same verdict should apply to Russia invading Ukraine. Don't see SA raising that issue, though it wont be long before they feel the Russian affect directly on the African continent.

Iran asked Russia to ask South Africa to bring this case to force Israel into a ceasefire. That's the geopolitical background here.

Pretty much, SA are beholden to Russia for back in the day support of the ANC..

Payback..

More to do with Israel’s support of the apartheid regime.It is revenge pure and simple

The Russians back Isreal fully.USA also supported ANC back in the day it was one of the many east west agreements."

As the poster ^ said, geopolitics..

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By (user no longer on site) 5 weeks ago


"Strange it got to a court ruling, surely same verdict should apply to Russia invading Ukraine. Don't see SA raising that issue, though it wont be long before they feel the Russian affect directly on the African continent.

Iran asked Russia to ask South Africa to bring this case to force Israel into a ceasefire. That's the geopolitical background here.

Pretty much, SA are beholden to Russia for back in the day support of the ANC..

Payback..

More to do with Israel’s support of the apartheid regime.It is revenge pure and simple

The Russians back Isreal fully.USA also supported ANC back in the day it was one of the many east west agreements.

As the poster ^ said, geopolitics.."

Nah just South Africa wanting its moment in the spotlight.Need something to stop the citizens asking why their are frequent power cuts.Why the ANC’s friends control more and more land which they do nothing with.Why party officials take money for better services and line their own pockets

I can positively say Russia did not start this case in any way.

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By *peckle from TBMan 4 weeks ago

Stillorgan


"The court has basically given South Africa everything they asked for and ordered Israel to take measures to prevent a genocide… but just stopped short of ordering Israel to enact a ceasefire

Just read the news and I wonder why a ceasefire wasn't requested."

It seems to be consistent with the order they gave previously regarding the (possible) genocide of Rohingya Muslims in Myanmar. Not sure of the reasoning in both instances, though I will note that ICJ rules on disputes between states, not between a state and a non-state actor. The Rohingya are a non-state actor, any and all Palestinians are non-state actors. That may be related.

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By *peckle from TBMan 4 weeks ago

Stillorgan


"Strange it got to a court ruling, surely same verdict should apply to Russia invading Ukraine. Don't see SA raising that issue, though it wont be long before they feel the Russian affect directly on the African continent.

Iran asked Russia to ask South Africa to bring this case to force Israel into a ceasefire. That's the geopolitical background here."

Gonna need a source for that, sounds made up.

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By *peckle from TBMan 3 weeks ago

Stillorgan

For those interested in hearing the strongest possible articulation of the case against Israel, I'd recommend this video. It cites academic work by international law scholars, and legal precedents set by the Rwanda and Srebenica genocides.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRDyitlHVRA

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By *leasure domMan 3 weeks ago

Edinburgh

Just as with Iraq, our government is failing to represent the opinion of the majority of citizens on this issue.

Israel is a racist, expansionist state, founded on terrorism and ethnic cleansing, which has always been given carte blanche to do as it pleases, irrespective of international law and standards of decency.

Its recklessly homicidal IDF (motto: shoot first, ask questions later) regularly murders journalists and aid workers, quite apart from its horrific actions against Palestinian civilians.

Hamas is the creation of Israeli policy and its recent incursion, while in no way excusable in its ferocity, is understandable in terms of tactics. Now that Israelis are sharing with Palestinians what it means to live in a state of existential fear, perhaps the requirement for the elusive two-state solution might finally become clear, as a real priority and necessity, rather than a theoretical talking point, to Israel and its western backers.

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By *otMe66Man 3 weeks ago

Terra Firma


"Just as with Iraq, our government is failing to represent the opinion of the majority of citizens on this issue.

Israel is a racist, expansionist state, founded on terrorism and ethnic cleansing, which has always been given carte blanche to do as it pleases, irrespective of international law and standards of decency.

Its recklessly homicidal IDF (motto: shoot first, ask questions later) regularly murders journalists and aid workers, quite apart from its horrific actions against Palestinian civilians.

Hamas is the creation of Israeli policy and its recent incursion, while in no way excusable in its ferocity, is understandable in terms of tactics. Now that Israelis are sharing with Palestinians what it means to live in a state of existential fear, perhaps the requirement for the elusive two-state solution might finally become clear, as a real priority and necessity, rather than a theoretical talking point, to Israel and its western backers."

When you say our government is failing to represent the majority of citizens, what % majority are we talking about?

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By *leasure domMan 3 weeks ago

Edinburgh


"Just as with Iraq, our government is failing to represent the opinion of the majority of citizens on this issue.

Israel is a racist, expansionist state, founded on terrorism and ethnic cleansing, which has always been given carte blanche to do as it pleases, irrespective of international law and standards of decency.

Its recklessly homicidal IDF (motto: shoot first, ask questions later) regularly murders journalists and aid workers, quite apart from its horrific actions against Palestinian civilians.

Hamas is the creation of Israeli policy and its recent incursion, while in no way excusable in its ferocity, is understandable in terms of tactics. Now that Israelis are sharing with Palestinians what it means to live in a state of existential fear, perhaps the requirement for the elusive two-state solution might finally become clear, as a real priority and necessity, rather than a theoretical talking point, to Israel and its western backers.

When you say our government is failing to represent the majority of citizens, what % majority are we talking about?

"

You knew before you asked that, it's impossible to put a figure on it, didn't you?

Look at the numbers in the many marches across the country, comparable to the anti-Iraq war demos, and the overwhelming audience reaction in programmes such as Any Questions or Question Time

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By *otMe66Man 3 weeks ago

Terra Firma


"Just as with Iraq, our government is failing to represent the opinion of the majority of citizens on this issue.

Israel is a racist, expansionist state, founded on terrorism and ethnic cleansing, which has always been given carte blanche to do as it pleases, irrespective of international law and standards of decency.

Its recklessly homicidal IDF (motto: shoot first, ask questions later) regularly murders journalists and aid workers, quite apart from its horrific actions against Palestinian civilians.

Hamas is the creation of Israeli policy and its recent incursion, while in no way excusable in its ferocity, is understandable in terms of tactics. Now that Israelis are sharing with Palestinians what it means to live in a state of existential fear, perhaps the requirement for the elusive two-state solution might finally become clear, as a real priority and necessity, rather than a theoretical talking point, to Israel and its western backers.

When you say our government is failing to represent the majority of citizens, what % majority are we talking about?

You knew before you asked that, it's impossible to put a figure on it, didn't you?

Look at the numbers in the many marches across the country, comparable to the anti-Iraq war demos, and the overwhelming audience reaction in programmes such as Any Questions or Question Time"

Of course I knew it was impossible to put a figure on it, that is why you are wrong to say the majority of people in this country.

The protestor numbers are fraction of our population, if that is where you are getting your guess from, I would say it flawed

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By *leasure domMan 3 weeks ago

Edinburgh


"Just as with Iraq, our government is failing to represent the opinion of the majority of citizens on this issue.

Israel is a racist, expansionist state, founded on terrorism and ethnic cleansing, which has always been given carte blanche to do as it pleases, irrespective of international law and standards of decency.

Its recklessly homicidal IDF (motto: shoot first, ask questions later) regularly murders journalists and aid workers, quite apart from its horrific actions against Palestinian civilians.

Hamas is the creation of Israeli policy and its recent incursion, while in no way excusable in its ferocity, is understandable in terms of tactics. Now that Israelis are sharing with Palestinians what it means to live in a state of existential fear, perhaps the requirement for the elusive two-state solution might finally become clear, as a real priority and necessity, rather than a theoretical talking point, to Israel and its western backers.

When you say our government is failing to represent the majority of citizens, what % majority are we talking about?

You knew before you asked that, it's impossible to put a figure on it, didn't you?

Look at the numbers in the many marches across the country, comparable to the anti-Iraq war demos, and the overwhelming audience reaction in programmes such as Any Questions or Question Time

Of course I knew it was impossible to put a figure on it, that is why you are wrong to say the majority of people in this country.

The protestor numbers are fraction of our population, if that is where you are getting your guess from, I would say it flawed"

Compare, contrast and extrapolate!

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By *otMe66Man 3 weeks ago

Terra Firma


"Just as with Iraq, our government is failing to represent the opinion of the majority of citizens on this issue.

Israel is a racist, expansionist state, founded on terrorism and ethnic cleansing, which has always been given carte blanche to do as it pleases, irrespective of international law and standards of decency.

Its recklessly homicidal IDF (motto: shoot first, ask questions later) regularly murders journalists and aid workers, quite apart from its horrific actions against Palestinian civilians.

Hamas is the creation of Israeli policy and its recent incursion, while in no way excusable in its ferocity, is understandable in terms of tactics. Now that Israelis are sharing with Palestinians what it means to live in a state of existential fear, perhaps the requirement for the elusive two-state solution might finally become clear, as a real priority and necessity, rather than a theoretical talking point, to Israel and its western backers.

When you say our government is failing to represent the majority of citizens, what % majority are we talking about?

You knew before you asked that, it's impossible to put a figure on it, didn't you?

Look at the numbers in the many marches across the country, comparable to the anti-Iraq war demos, and the overwhelming audience reaction in programmes such as Any Questions or Question Time

Of course I knew it was impossible to put a figure on it, that is why you are wrong to say the majority of people in this country.

The protestor numbers are fraction of our population, if that is where you are getting your guess from, I would say it flawed

Compare, contrast and extrapolate!"

I did which leads to believe your guess is a country mile from reality.

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By *alicoJackMan 3 weeks ago

Sunny Seaham Harbour, North Durham Coast


"Just as with Iraq, our government is failing to represent the opinion of the majority of citizens on this issue.

Israel is a racist, expansionist state, founded on terrorism and ethnic cleansing, which has always been given carte blanche to do as it pleases, irrespective of international law and standards of decency.

Its recklessly homicidal IDF (motto: shoot first, ask questions later) regularly murders journalists and aid workers, quite apart from its horrific actions against Palestinian civilians.

Hamas is the creation of Israeli policy and its recent incursion, while in no way excusable in its ferocity, is understandable in terms of tactics. Now that Israelis are sharing with Palestinians what it means to live in a state of existential fear, perhaps the requirement for the elusive two-state solution might finally become clear, as a real priority and necessity, rather than a theoretical talking point, to Israel and its western backers."

Eloquent and excellent post! I only wish politicians could read this..

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By *resesse_MelioremCouple 3 weeks ago

Border of London


"

Compare, contrast and extrapolate!"

Purely from a statistical analysis perspective:

If 85% of protestors/speakers are Muslim and 6.5% of the UK are Muslim, then it's a visible and vocal minority with an ability to organise, and extrapolations are meaningless. That is not to say that your assertion is necessarily incorrect, but extrapolation fails.

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By *resesse_MelioremCouple 3 weeks ago

Border of London


"Just as with Iraq, our government is failing to represent the opinion of the majority of citizens on this issue.

Israel is a racist, expansionist state, founded on terrorism and ethnic cleansing, which has always been given carte blanche to do as it pleases, irrespective of international law and standards of decency.

Its recklessly homicidal IDF (motto: shoot first, ask questions later) regularly murders journalists and aid workers, quite apart from its horrific actions against Palestinian civilians.

Hamas is the creation of Israeli policy and its recent incursion, while in no way excusable in its ferocity, is understandable in terms of tactics. Now that Israelis are sharing with Palestinians what it means to live in a state of existential fear, perhaps the requirement for the elusive two-state solution might finally become clear, as a real priority and necessity, rather than a theoretical talking point, to Israel and its western backers."

In a perfect world, what would Israel do here, and what would be done to it?

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By *andE2000Man 3 weeks ago

Bathgate


"Just as with Iraq, our government is failing to represent the opinion of the majority of citizens on this issue.

Israel is a racist, expansionist state, founded on terrorism and ethnic cleansing, which has always been given carte blanche to do as it pleases, irrespective of international law and standards of decency.

Its recklessly homicidal IDF (motto: shoot first, ask questions later) regularly murders journalists and aid workers, quite apart from its horrific actions against Palestinian civilians.

Hamas is the creation of Israeli policy and its recent incursion, while in no way excusable in its ferocity, is understandable in terms of tactics. Now that Israelis are sharing with Palestinians what it means to live in a state of existential fear, perhaps the requirement for the elusive two-state solution might finally become clear, as a real priority and necessity, rather than a theoretical talking point, to Israel and its western backers.

In a perfect world, what would Israel do here, and what would be done to it?"

You have a successful example of the Apartheid South Africa. A state based on ethnically cleansing the natives doesn't have the right to exist.

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By *resesse_MelioremCouple 3 weeks ago

Border of London


"

In a perfect world, what would Israel do here, and what would be done to it?

You have a successful example of the Apartheid South Africa. A state based on ethnically cleansing the natives doesn't have the right to exist."

You're suggesting that Israel and Palestine merge and are run by Palestinians?

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By *alicoJackMan 3 weeks ago

Sunny Seaham Harbour, North Durham Coast


"

In a perfect world, what would Israel do here, and what would be done to it?

You have a successful example of the Apartheid South Africa. A state based on ethnically cleansing the natives doesn't have the right to exist.

You're suggesting that Israel and Palestine merge and are run by Palestinians?

"

There's an abundance of information on solutions!

And you know what they are. Why are you goading/phishing for a pointless aregument?

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By *alicoJackMan 3 weeks ago

Sunny Seaham Harbour, North Durham Coast


"

In a perfect world, what would Israel do here, and what would be done to it?

You have a successful example of the Apartheid South Africa. A state based on ethnically cleansing the natives doesn't have the right to exist.

You're suggesting that Israel and Palestine merge and are run by Palestinians?

"

Here we go... Google is your friend

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By *resesse_MelioremCouple 3 weeks ago

Border of London


"

In a perfect world, what would Israel do here, and what would be done to it?

You have a successful example of the Apartheid South Africa. A state based on ethnically cleansing the natives doesn't have the right to exist.

You're suggesting that Israel and Palestine merge and are run by Palestinians?

There's an abundance of information on solutions!

And you know what they are. Why are you goading/phishing for a pointless aregument?"

Because people post that "the solution is simple", as if it's obvious. When the greatest minds don't seem to be able to solve it in a way that gives Palestinians the self determination they are entitled to while keeping the Israelis secure.

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By *andE2000Man 3 weeks ago

Bathgate


"

In a perfect world, what would Israel do here, and what would be done to it?

You have a successful example of the Apartheid South Africa. A state based on ethnically cleansing the natives doesn't have the right to exist.

You're suggesting that Israel and Palestine merge and are run by Palestinians?

"

Isn't that what democracy is all about? Why do you have a problem with it when it doesn't suit your bias?

It's their land after all. They'd be generous to not send them back to Europe where they came from.

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By *resesse_MelioremCouple 3 weeks ago

Border of London


"

In a perfect world, what would Israel do here, and what would be done to it?

You have a successful example of the Apartheid South Africa. A state based on ethnically cleansing the natives doesn't have the right to exist.

You're suggesting that Israel and Palestine merge and are run by Palestinians?

Here we go... Google is your friend"

Actually, googling will find anything from all Jews being thrown into the sea or moving to the USA, to nuking and deporting all Palestinians.

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By *resesse_MelioremCouple 3 weeks ago

Border of London


"

Isn't that what democracy is all about? Why do you have a problem with it when it doesn't suit your bias?

It's their land after all. They'd be generous to not send them back to Europe where they came from. "

If that is your solution, is it any wonder that Israelis will not engage in fruitful dialogue?

(1) Israel is a democracy in which Arab and Muslim politicians and judges exist, with full rights and privileges of citizenship.

(2) Is it right to send third and fifth generation immigrants back?

(3) About as many Jews were forced out of Arab/Middle Eastern countries between 1948-54 as Palestinians we're from Israel. Should they go back to Yemen, Iraq, etc. as well? Or to Europe?

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By *andE2000Man 3 weeks ago

Bathgate


"

Isn't that what democracy is all about? Why do you have a problem with it when it doesn't suit your bias?

It's their land after all. They'd be generous to not send them back to Europe where they came from.

If that is your solution, is it any wonder that Israelis will not engage in fruitful dialogue?

(1) Israel is a democracy in which Arab and Muslim politicians and judges exist, with full rights and privileges of citizenship.

(2) Is it right to send third and fifth generation immigrants back?

(3) About as many Jews were forced out of Arab/Middle Eastern countries between 1948-54 as Palestinians we're from Israel. Should they go back to Yemen, Iraq, etc. as well? Or to Europe?"

1) Israel being a democracy is the joke of the century. When the majority don't even have the right to citizenship or political representation.

2) Arab countries are not Democratic because the so called democratic west has installed puppet dictators and tyrant kings to serve the western indirect colonial interest/plunder of their wealth.

3) Is right to send 2nd, 3rd 4rth generation immigrants. A) they're not immigrants who cane in legally by a Palestinian visa. They're invaders, colonial settlers. Even then, the Palestinians are generous enough to let them stay as equal citizens. Unlike the Israelis who want to genocide or at least ethnically cleanse the native majority. Majority of them are refugees abroad. 1st, 2nd, and 3rd generation refugees. Plus the millions who are internally displaced and made refugees in their own land. Would you accept the Pakistani immigrants to take power of the UK and ethnically cleanse the white British? Or do you have double standards?

4)

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By *irldnCouple 3 weeks ago

Brighton

Wonder how far back in history we have to go to establish who has the right to a piece of land? Where do we draw the line? Is it based on enthinicity or religion? What if people are ethnically very similar/the same but follow a different God?

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By *andE2000Man 3 weeks ago

Bathgate


"

Isn't that what democracy is all about? Why do you have a problem with it when it doesn't suit your bias?

It's their land after all. They'd be generous to not send them back to Europe where they came from.

If that is your solution, is it any wonder that Israelis will not engage in fruitful dialogue?

(1) Israel is a democracy in which Arab and Muslim politicians and judges exist, with full rights and privileges of citizenship.

(2) Is it right to send third and fifth generation immigrants back?

(3) About as many Jews were forced out of Arab/Middle Eastern countries between 1948-54 as Palestinians we're from Israel. Should they go back to Yemen, Iraq, etc. as well? Or to Europe?

1) Israel being a democracy is the joke of the century. When the majority don't even have the right to citizenship or political representation.

2) Arab countries are not Democratic because the so called democratic west has installed puppet dictators and tyrant kings to serve the western indirect colonial interest/plunder of their wealth.

3) Is right to send 2nd, 3rd 4rth generation immigrants. A) they're not immigrants who cane in legally by a Palestinian visa. They're invaders, colonial settlers. Even then, the Palestinians are generous enough to let them stay as equal citizens. Unlike the Israelis who want to genocide or at least ethnically cleanse the native majority. Majority of them are refugees abroad. 1st, 2nd, and 3rd generation refugees. Plus the millions who are internally displaced and made refugees in their own land. Would you accept the Pakistani immigrants to take power of the UK and ethnically cleanse the white British? Or do you have double standards?

4) "

4) "

4) "As many Jews were kicked out of Arab countries" Those Jews lived and thrived in Arab countries for centuries. Nobody kicked them out. The zionist movement with Arab nationalism created by the colonial policy of the west created the rift and they moved to the newly created Israel by fear.

If peace is established, the Islamic culture and laws of the Arabs gives them the right to return.

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By *andE2000Man 3 weeks ago

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By *andE2000Man 3 weeks ago

Bathgate


"Wonder how far back in history we have to go to establish who has the right to a piece of land? Where do we draw the line? Is it based on enthinicity or religion? What if people are ethnically very similar/the same but follow a different God?"

The Jews and Muslims worship the same God. But 50% of Israelis are Atheist

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By *alicoJackMan 3 weeks ago

Sunny Seaham Harbour, North Durham Coast


"

In a perfect world, what would Israel do here, and what would be done to it?

You have a successful example of the Apartheid South Africa. A state based on ethnically cleansing the natives doesn't have the right to exist.

You're suggesting that Israel and Palestine merge and are run by Palestinians?

There's an abundance of information on solutions!

And you know what they are. Why are you goading/phishing for a pointless aregument?

Because people post that "the solution is simple", as if it's obvious. When the greatest minds don't seem to be able to solve it in a way that gives Palestinians the self determination they are entitled to while keeping the Israelis secure."

Without the nitty gritty details but..

(Won't happen because Jewish

lobbyists own the senate)..

America gets/force Isreal to.

Withdraw from illegally occupied territories

Accept a two state solution wether they like or not..

Use UN peacekeepers if needed

Palistine stops attacks

Respects isreali territory

Both sides forget the past violence and abandon revenge attacks..

Something like that

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By *andE2000Man 3 weeks ago

Bathgate


"

In a perfect world, what would Israel do here, and what would be done to it?

You have a successful example of the Apartheid South Africa. A state based on ethnically cleansing the natives doesn't have the right to exist.

You're suggesting that Israel and Palestine merge and are run by Palestinians?

There's an abundance of information on solutions!

And you know what they are. Why are you goading/phishing for a pointless aregument?

Because people post that "the solution is simple", as if it's obvious. When the greatest minds don't seem to be able to solve it in a way that gives Palestinians the self determination they are entitled to while keeping the Israelis secure.

Without the nitty gritty details but..

(Won't happen because Jewish

lobbyists own the senate)..

America gets/force Isreal to.

Withdraw from illegally occupied territories

Accept a two state solution wether they like or not..

Use UN peacekeepers if needed

Palistine stops attacks

Respects isreali territory

Both sides forget the past violence and abandon revenge attacks..

Something like that"

That will not bring peace

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By *resesse_MelioremCouple 3 weeks ago

Border of London


"

Isn't that what democracy is all about? Why do you have a problem with it when it doesn't suit your bias?

It's their land after all. They'd be generous to not send them back to Europe where they came from.

If that is your solution, is it any wonder that Israelis will not engage in fruitful dialogue?

(1) Israel is a democracy in which Arab and Muslim politicians and judges exist, with full rights and privileges of citizenship.

(2) Is it right to send third and fifth generation immigrants back?

(3) About as many Jews were forced out of Arab/Middle Eastern countries between 1948-54 as Palestinians we're from Israel. Should they go back to Yemen, Iraq, etc. as well? Or to Europe?

1) Israel being a democracy is the joke of the century. When the majority don't even have the right to citizenship or political representation.

2) Arab countries are not Democratic because the so called democratic west has installed puppet dictators and tyrant kings to serve the western indirect colonial interest/plunder of their wealth.

3) Is right to send 2nd, 3rd 4rth generation immigrants. A) they're not immigrants who cane in legally by a Palestinian visa. They're invaders, colonial settlers. Even then, the Palestinians are generous enough to let them stay as equal citizens. Unlike the Israelis who want to genocide or at least ethnically cleanse the native majority. Majority of them are refugees abroad. 1st, 2nd, and 3rd generation refugees. Plus the millions who are internally displaced and made refugees in their own land. Would you accept the Pakistani immigrants to take power of the UK and ethnically cleanse the white British? Or do you have double standards?

4)

4) "

4) "As many Jews were kicked out of Arab countries" Those Jews lived and thrived in Arab countries for centuries. Nobody kicked them out. The zionist movement with Arab nationalism created by the colonial policy of the west created the rift and they moved to the newly created Israel by fear.

If peace is established, the Islamic culture and laws of the Arabs gives them the right to return.

"

Your ideas are very interesting, but will be a hard sell to the Israelis.

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By *alicoJackMan 3 weeks ago

Sunny Seaham Harbour, North Durham Coast


"

In a perfect world, what would Israel do here, and what would be done to it?

You have a successful example of the Apartheid South Africa. A state based on ethnically cleansing the natives doesn't have the right to exist.

You're suggesting that Israel and Palestine merge and are run by Palestinians?

There's an abundance of information on solutions!

And you know what they are. Why are you goading/phishing for a pointless aregument?

Because people post that "the solution is simple", as if it's obvious. When the greatest minds don't seem to be able to solve it in a way that gives Palestinians the self determination they are entitled to while keeping the Israelis secure.

Without the nitty gritty details but..

(Won't happen because Jewish

lobbyists own the senate)..

America gets/force Isreal to.

Withdraw from illegally occupied territories

Accept a two state solution wether they like or not..

Use UN peacekeepers if needed

Palistine stops attacks

Respects isreali territory

Both sides forget the past violence and abandon revenge attacks..

Something like that

That will not bring peace"

A few years ago, hamas made an offer to have a permanent cease fire, if Isreal offered to stop attacking Palestine.

Netanyahu rejected it, saying it was a trick.

Don't know why he rejected it because he could have just started bombing again.. like they always do unfortunately

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By *alicoJackMan 3 weeks ago

Sunny Seaham Harbour, North Durham Coast


"

Isn't that what democracy is all about? Why do you have a problem with it when it doesn't suit your bias?

It's their land after all. They'd be generous to not send them back to Europe where they came from.

If that is your solution, is it any wonder that Israelis will not engage in fruitful dialogue?

(1) Israel is a democracy in which Arab and Muslim politicians and judges exist, with full rights and privileges of citizenship.

(2) Is it right to send third and fifth generation immigrants back?

(3) About as many Jews were forced out of Arab/Middle Eastern countries between 1948-54 as Palestinians we're from Israel. Should they go back to Yemen, Iraq, etc. as well? Or to Europe?

1) Israel being a democracy is the joke of the century. When the majority don't even have the right to citizenship or political representation.

2) Arab countries are not Democratic because the so called democratic west has installed puppet dictators and tyrant kings to serve the western indirect colonial interest/plunder of their wealth.

3) Is right to send 2nd, 3rd 4rth generation immigrants. A) they're not immigrants who cane in legally by a Palestinian visa. They're invaders, colonial settlers. Even then, the Palestinians are generous enough to let them stay as equal citizens. Unlike the Israelis who want to genocide or at least ethnically cleanse the native majority. Majority of them are refugees abroad. 1st, 2nd, and 3rd generation refugees. Plus the millions who are internally displaced and made refugees in their own land. Would you accept the Pakistani immigrants to take power of the UK and ethnically cleanse the white British? Or do you have double standards?

4)

4) "

4) "As many Jews were kicked out of Arab countries" Those Jews lived and thrived in Arab countries for centuries. Nobody kicked them out. The zionist movement with Arab nationalism created by the colonial policy of the west created the rift and they moved to the newly created Israel by fear.

If peace is established, the Islamic culture and laws of the Arabs gives them the right to return.

"

Us this linked to the Abraham accords?

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By *andE2000Man 3 weeks ago

Bathgate


"

In a perfect world, what would Israel do here, and what would be done to it?

You have a successful example of the Apartheid South Africa. A state based on ethnically cleansing the natives doesn't have the right to exist.

You're suggesting that Israel and Palestine merge and are run by Palestinians?

There's an abundance of information on solutions!

And you know what they are. Why are you goading/phishing for a pointless aregument?

Because people post that "the solution is simple", as if it's obvious. When the greatest minds don't seem to be able to solve it in a way that gives Palestinians the self determination they are entitled to while keeping the Israelis secure.

Without the nitty gritty details but..

(Won't happen because Jewish

lobbyists own the senate)..

America gets/force Isreal to.

Withdraw from illegally occupied territories

Accept a two state solution wether they like or not..

Use UN peacekeepers if needed

Palistine stops attacks

Respects isreali territory

Both sides forget the past violence and abandon revenge attacks..

Something like that

That will not bring peace

A few years ago, hamas made an offer to have a permanent cease fire, if Isreal offered to stop attacking Palestine.

Netanyahu rejected it, saying it was a trick.

Don't know why he rejected it because he could have just started bombing again.. like they always do unfortunately

"

Netanyahu is no different from his predecessors when it comes to Palestinians. The Zionist ideology is fundamentally based on ethnically cleansing non-Jews from the land. Native or not.

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By *andE2000Man 3 weeks ago

Bathgate


"

Isn't that what democracy is all about? Why do you have a problem with it when it doesn't suit your bias?

It's their land after all. They'd be generous to not send them back to Europe where they came from.

If that is your solution, is it any wonder that Israelis will not engage in fruitful dialogue?

(1) Israel is a democracy in which Arab and Muslim politicians and judges exist, with full rights and privileges of citizenship.

(2) Is it right to send third and fifth generation immigrants back?

(3) About as many Jews were forced out of Arab/Middle Eastern countries between 1948-54 as Palestinians we're from Israel. Should they go back to Yemen, Iraq, etc. as well? Or to Europe?

1) Israel being a democracy is the joke of the century. When the majority don't even have the right to citizenship or political representation.

2) Arab countries are not Democratic because the so called democratic west has installed puppet dictators and tyrant kings to serve the western indirect colonial interest/plunder of their wealth.

3) Is right to send 2nd, 3rd 4rth generation immigrants. A) they're not immigrants who cane in legally by a Palestinian visa. They're invaders, colonial settlers. Even then, the Palestinians are generous enough to let them stay as equal citizens. Unlike the Israelis who want to genocide or at least ethnically cleanse the native majority. Majority of them are refugees abroad. 1st, 2nd, and 3rd generation refugees. Plus the millions who are internally displaced and made refugees in their own land. Would you accept the Pakistani immigrants to take power of the UK and ethnically cleanse the white British? Or do you have double standards?

4)

4) "

4) "As many Jews were kicked out of Arab countries" Those Jews lived and thrived in Arab countries for centuries. Nobody kicked them out. The zionist movement with Arab nationalism created by the colonial policy of the west created the rift and they moved to the newly created Israel by fear.

If peace is established, the Islamic culture and laws of the Arabs gives them the right to return.

Us this linked to the Abraham accords?"

Abraham records aims to normalise political and economic relations between Arab countries and the Zionist Entity at the expense of the Palestinian cause. So no.

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By *andE2000Man 3 weeks ago

Bathgate


"

Isn't that what democracy is all about? Why do you have a problem with it when it doesn't suit your bias?

It's their land after all. They'd be generous to not send them back to Europe where they came from.

If that is your solution, is it any wonder that Israelis will not engage in fruitful dialogue?

(1) Israel is a democracy in which Arab and Muslim politicians and judges exist, with full rights and privileges of citizenship.

(2) Is it right to send third and fifth generation immigrants back?

(3) About as many Jews were forced out of Arab/Middle Eastern countries between 1948-54 as Palestinians we're from Israel. Should they go back to Yemen, Iraq, etc. as well? Or to Europe?

1) Israel being a democracy is the joke of the century. When the majority don't even have the right to citizenship or political representation.

2) Arab countries are not Democratic because the so called democratic west has installed puppet dictators and tyrant kings to serve the western indirect colonial interest/plunder of their wealth.

3) Is right to send 2nd, 3rd 4rth generation immigrants. A) they're not immigrants who cane in legally by a Palestinian visa. They're invaders, colonial settlers. Even then, the Palestinians are generous enough to let them stay as equal citizens. Unlike the Israelis who want to genocide or at least ethnically cleanse the native majority. Majority of them are refugees abroad. 1st, 2nd, and 3rd generation refugees. Plus the millions who are internally displaced and made refugees in their own land. Would you accept the Pakistani immigrants to take power of the UK and ethnically cleanse the white British? Or do you have double standards?

4)

4) "

4) "As many Jews were kicked out of Arab countries" Those Jews lived and thrived in Arab countries for centuries. Nobody kicked them out. The zionist movement with Arab nationalism created by the colonial policy of the west created the rift and they moved to the newly created Israel by fear.

If peace is established, the Islamic culture and laws of the Arabs gives them the right to return.

Us this linked to the Abraham accords?

Abraham records aims to normalise political and economic relations between Arab countries and the Zionist Entity at the expense of the Palestinian cause. So no. "

Accords*

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By *alicoJackMan 3 weeks ago

Sunny Seaham Harbour, North Durham Coast


"

Isn't that what democracy is all about? Why do you have a problem with it when it doesn't suit your bias?

It's their land after all. They'd be generous to not send them back to Europe where they came from.

If that is your solution, is it any wonder that Israelis will not engage in fruitful dialogue?

(1) Israel is a democracy in which Arab and Muslim politicians and judges exist, with full rights and privileges of citizenship.

(2) Is it right to send third and fifth generation immigrants back?

(3) About as many Jews were forced out of Arab/Middle Eastern countries between 1948-54 as Palestinians we're from Israel. Should they go back to Yemen, Iraq, etc. as well? Or to Europe?

1) Israel being a democracy is the joke of the century. When the majority don't even have the right to citizenship or political representation.

2) Arab countries are not Democratic because the so called democratic west has installed puppet dictators and tyrant kings to serve the western indirect colonial interest/plunder of their wealth.

3) Is right to send 2nd, 3rd 4rth generation immigrants. A) they're not immigrants who cane in legally by a Palestinian visa. They're invaders, colonial settlers. Even then, the Palestinians are generous enough to let them stay as equal citizens. Unlike the Israelis who want to genocide or at least ethnically cleanse the native majority. Majority of them are refugees abroad. 1st, 2nd, and 3rd generation refugees. Plus the millions who are internally displaced and made refugees in their own land. Would you accept the Pakistani immigrants to take power of the UK and ethnically cleanse the white British? Or do you have double standards?

4)

4) "

4) "As many Jews were kicked out of Arab countries" Those Jews lived and thrived in Arab countries for centuries. Nobody kicked them out. The zionist movement with Arab nationalism created by the colonial policy of the west created the rift and they moved to the newly created Israel by fear.

If peace is established, the Islamic culture and laws of the Arabs gives them the right to return.

Us this linked to the Abraham accords?

Abraham records aims to normalise political and economic relations between Arab countries and the Zionist Entity at the expense of the Palestinian cause. So no.

Accords*"

Ah right. Thanks for the info

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By *otMe66Man 3 weeks ago

Terra Firma

Jeez, some of this feels like I have just attended a propaganda, brain washing lecture hosted by the Iranians.

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By *assPlayer80Man 3 weeks ago

Basildon, Essex

Isn’t it amazing how so many wars throughout human history were all won by the good guys?

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By *heffielderCouple 3 weeks ago

sheffield


"Just as with Iraq, our government is failing to represent the opinion of the majority of citizens on this issue.

Israel is a racist, expansionist state, founded on terrorism and ethnic cleansing, which has always been given carte blanche to do as it pleases, irrespective of international law and standards of decency.

Its recklessly homicidal IDF (motto: shoot first, ask questions later) regularly murders journalists and aid workers, quite apart from its horrific actions against Palestinian civilians.

Hamas is the creation of Israeli policy and its recent incursion, while in no way excusable in its ferocity, is understandable in terms of tactics. Now that Israelis are sharing with Palestinians what it means to live in a state of existential fear, perhaps the requirement for the elusive two-state solution might finally become clear, as a real priority and necessity, rather than a theoretical talking point, to Israel and its western backers.

Eloquent and excellent post! I only wish politicians could read this..

"

Totally rubbish. Israel has open and free elections of which Arabs are elected and represented. Isreal is surrounded by racist and hostile States that would quite happily invade Isreal if they could (they have tried several times )

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By *andE2000Man 3 weeks ago

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By *andE2000Man 3 weeks ago

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"Just as with Iraq, our government is failing to represent the opinion of the majority of citizens on this issue.

Israel is a racist, expansionist state, founded on terrorism and ethnic cleansing, which has always been given carte blanche to do as it pleases, irrespective of international law and standards of decency.

Its recklessly homicidal IDF (motto: shoot first, ask questions later) regularly murders journalists and aid workers, quite apart from its horrific actions against Palestinian civilians.

Hamas is the creation of Israeli policy and its recent incursion, while in no way excusable in its ferocity, is understandable in terms of tactics. Now that Israelis are sharing with Palestinians what it means to live in a state of existential fear, perhaps the requirement for the elusive two-state solution might finally become clear, as a real priority and necessity, rather than a theoretical talking point, to Israel and its western backers.

Eloquent and excellent post! I only wish politicians could read this..

Totally rubbish. Israel has open and free elections of which Arabs are elected and represented. Isreal is surrounded by racist and hostile States that would quite happily invade Isreal if they could (they have tried several times )"

This like saying: Apartheid South Africa has open and free elections in which 100% of white invaders can vote and 15% of the Blacks can vote and are represented by sold out Blacks. While the other 85% Blacks have no human rights. And they are surrounded by racist Black countries. Racist because they don't like Apartheid.

You're the lovely non racist who is supporting a lovely Apartheid Israel that's only committing genocide to defend itself.

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By *resesse_MelioremCouple 3 weeks ago

Border of London


"

Totally rubbish. Israel has open and free elections of which Arabs are elected and represented. Isreal is surrounded by racist and hostile States that would quite happily invade Isreal if they could (they have tried several times )

This like saying: Apartheid South Africa has open and free elections in which 100% of white invaders can vote and 15% of the Blacks can vote and are represented by sold out Blacks. While the other 85% Blacks have no human rights. And they are surrounded by racist Black countries. Racist because they don't like Apartheid.

You're the lovely non racist who is supporting a lovely Apartheid Israel that's only committing genocide to defend itself. "

Not if you consider Israel a separate state. Within Israel, democracy is relatively free and fair. Your point is only true if you consider the whole historic Israel (or mandatory Palestine) as a single state. In which case you'd need to consider Jordan as well, arguably.

On the other hand, Palestinians in Lebanon, Jordan, etc. are actually considered second class citizens, without access to land ownership and medical attention in the same way as citizens, despite being third and fourth generation. That is much closer to apartheid than the Arab population of Israel.

A solid majority of Arabs in Israel are perfectly happy living in a democracy and would hate to be under the rule of either the PA or Hamas. Or living as second class citizens in Jordan or Lebanon (or being kicked out of Kuwait).

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By *andE2000Man 3 weeks ago

Bathgate


"

Totally rubbish. Israel has open and free elections of which Arabs are elected and represented. Isreal is surrounded by racist and hostile States that would quite happily invade Isreal if they could (they have tried several times )

This like saying: Apartheid South Africa has open and free elections in which 100% of white invaders can vote and 15% of the Blacks can vote and are represented by sold out Blacks. While the other 85% Blacks have no human rights. And they are surrounded by racist Black countries. Racist because they don't like Apartheid.

You're the lovely non racist who is supporting a lovely Apartheid Israel that's only committing genocide to defend itself.

Not if you consider Israel a separate state. Within Israel, democracy is relatively free and fair. Your point is only true if you consider the whole historic Israel (or mandatory Palestine) as a single state. In which case you'd need to consider Jordan as well, arguably.

On the other hand, Palestinians in Lebanon, Jordan, etc. are actually considered second class citizens, without access to land ownership and medical attention in the same way as citizens, despite being third and fourth generation. That is much closer to apartheid than the Arab population of Israel.

A solid majority of Arabs in Israel are perfectly happy living in a democracy and would hate to be under the rule of either the PA or Hamas. Or living as second class citizens in Jordan or Lebanon (or being kicked out of Kuwait)."

You spit out so many lies I don't know where to begin but let me try.

1) Not if you consider Israel a alseperate state. You mean the only state in the world that doesn't define it's border? Open to unlimited expansion as they occupy more and more. Israel occupies The west bank and gaza. None of the Arab populations there have the right to vote.

Also there are over 14 million Palestinians expelled from what you call Israel. They also don't have the right to vote. Your ideal Democracy lol.

2) "The minority Arabs who can vote are very happy" Looks like you live in LALA Land. Their holy mosques are being seized and attacked every Friday, Ramadan, Eids, 1000's of their kids in Jail

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By *heffielderCouple 3 weeks ago

sheffield


"Just as with Iraq, our government is failing to represent the opinion of the majority of citizens on this issue.

Israel is a racist, expansionist state, founded on terrorism and ethnic cleansing, which has always been given carte blanche to do as it pleases, irrespective of international law and standards of decency.

Its recklessly homicidal IDF (motto: shoot first, ask questions later) regularly murders journalists and aid workers, quite apart from its horrific actions against Palestinian civilians.

Hamas is the creation of Israeli policy and its recent incursion, while in no way excusable in its ferocity, is understandable in terms of tactics. Now that Israelis are sharing with Palestinians what it means to live in a state of existential fear, perhaps the requirement for the elusive two-state solution might finally become clear, as a real priority and necessity, rather than a theoretical talking point, to Israel and its western backers.

Eloquent and excellent post! I only wish politicians could read this..

Totally rubbish. Israel has open and free elections of which Arabs are elected and represented. Isreal is surrounded by racist and hostile States that would quite happily invade Isreal if they could (they have tried several times )

This like saying: Apartheid South Africa has open and free elections in which 100% of white invaders can vote and 15% of the Blacks can vote and are represented by sold out Blacks. While the other 85% Blacks have no human rights. And they are surrounded by racist Black countries. Racist because they don't like Apartheid.

You're the lovely non racist who is supporting a lovely Apartheid Israel that's only committing genocide to defend itself. "

The only racist here is you. Making racist comments and false equivocations..

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By *resesse_MelioremCouple 3 weeks ago

Border of London

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By *resesse_MelioremCouple 3 weeks ago

Border of London


"

You spit out so many lies I don't know where to begin but let me try.

1) Not if you consider Israel a alseperate state. You mean the only state in the world that doesn't define it's border? Open to unlimited expansion as they occupy more and more. Israel occupies The west bank and gaza. None of the Arab populations there have the right to vote.

"

They do, and did. But between Hamas and the PA they can't get one. That's not Israel's fault.


"

Also there are over 14 million Palestinians expelled from what you call Israel. They also don't have the right to vote. Your ideal Democracy lol.

"

It's funny. Refugees from every other country are absorbed into their host country and can vote. But Palestinians in other countries (the ones who attacked and tried to annihilate Israel and caused the refugee problem in the first place) were not absorbed, but treated like dirt by their hosts and they cannot vote there. The Jews who were driven out of those same countries were absorbed into Israel, where they can vote.


"

2) "The minority Arabs who can vote are very happy" Looks like you live in LALA Land. Their holy mosques are being seized and attacked every Friday, Ramadan, Eids, 1000's of their kids in Jail"

Did you just put quotes around a paraphrase that misquotes? That's kind of disingenuous and dishonest.

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By *andE2000Man 3 weeks ago

Bathgate


"Just as with Iraq, our government is failing to represent the opinion of the majority of citizens on this issue.

Israel is a racist, expansionist state, founded on terrorism and ethnic cleansing, which has always been given carte blanche to do as it pleases, irrespective of international law and standards of decency.

Its recklessly homicidal IDF (motto: shoot first, ask questions later) regularly murders journalists and aid workers, quite apart from its horrific actions against Palestinian civilians.

Hamas is the creation of Israeli policy and its recent incursion, while in no way excusable in its ferocity, is understandable in terms of tactics. Now that Israelis are sharing with Palestinians what it means to live in a state of existential fear, perhaps the requirement for the elusive two-state solution might finally become clear, as a real priority and necessity, rather than a theoretical talking point, to Israel and its western backers.

Eloquent and excellent post! I only wish politicians could read this..

Totally rubbish. Israel has open and free elections of which Arabs are elected and represented. Isreal is surrounded by racist and hostile States that would quite happily invade Isreal if they could (they have tried several times )

This like saying: Apartheid South Africa has open and free elections in which 100% of white invaders can vote and 15% of the Blacks can vote and are represented by sold out Blacks. While the other 85% Blacks have no human rights. And they are surrounded by racist Black countries. Racist because they don't like Apartheid.

You're the lovely non racist who is supporting a lovely Apartheid Israel that's only committing genocide to defend itself.

The only racist here is you. Making racist comments and false equivocations.. "

What have I said that's racist? Or do you make empty accusations?

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By *andE2000Man 3 weeks ago

Bathgate

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By *andE2000Man 3 weeks ago

Bathgate

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By *andE2000Man 3 weeks ago

Bathgate

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By *andE2000Man 3 weeks ago

Bathgate

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By *andE2000Man 3 weeks ago

Bathgate


"

You spit out so many lies I don't know where to begin but let me try.

1) Not if you consider Israel a alseperate state. You mean the only state in the world that doesn't define it's border? Open to unlimited expansion as they occupy more and more. Israel occupies The west bank and gaza. None of the Arab populations there have the right to vote.

They do, and did. But between Hamas and the PA they can't get one. That's not Israel's fault.

Also there are over 14 million Palestinians expelled from what you call Israel. They also don't have the right to vote. Your ideal Democracy lol.

It's funny. Refugees from every other country are absorbed into their host country and can vote. But Palestinians in other countries (the ones who attacked and tried to annihilate Israel and caused the refugee problem in the first place) were not absorbed, but treated like dirt by their hosts and they cannot vote there. The Jews who were driven out of those same countries were absorbed into Israel, where they can vote.

2) "The minority Arabs who can vote are very happy" Looks like you live in LALA Land. Their holy mosques are being seized and attacked every Friday, Ramadan, Eids, 1000's of their kids in Jail

Did you just put quotes around a paraphrase that misquotes? That's kind of disingenuous and dishonest.

"

You have deflected without addressing any of my points.

The Palestinian refugees in Arab countries refuse to have another Arab nationality because of your ideology. If they did, Israel will say: they are nationals of other countries. And no they are not treated any different in those Arab countries. They have every support from free housing to free education work ect

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By *heffielderCouple 3 weeks ago

sheffield


"Just as with Iraq, our government is failing to represent the opinion of the majority of citizens on this issue.

Israel is a racist, expansionist state, founded on terrorism and ethnic cleansing, which has always been given carte blanche to do as it pleases, irrespective of international law and standards of decency.

Its recklessly homicidal IDF (motto: shoot first, ask questions later) regularly murders journalists and aid workers, quite apart from its horrific actions against Palestinian civilians.

Hamas is the creation of Israeli policy and its recent incursion, while in no way excusable in its ferocity, is understandable in terms of tactics. Now that Israelis are sharing with Palestinians what it means to live in a state of existential fear, perhaps the requirement for the elusive two-state solution might finally become clear, as a real priority and necessity, rather than a theoretical talking point, to Israel and its western backers.

Eloquent and excellent post! I only wish politicians could read this..

Totally rubbish. Israel has open and free elections of which Arabs are elected and represented. Isreal is surrounded by racist and hostile States that would quite happily invade Isreal if they could (they have tried several times )

This like saying: Apartheid South Africa has open and free elections in which 100% of white invaders can vote and 15% of the Blacks can vote and are represented by sold out Blacks. While the other 85% Blacks have no human rights. And they are surrounded by racist Black countries. Racist because they don't like Apartheid.

You're the lovely non racist who is supporting a lovely Apartheid Israel that's only committing genocide to defend itself.

The only racist here is you. Making racist comments and false equivocations..

What have I said that's racist? Or do you make empty accusations?"

You basically called a certain racial group uncle Tom's "sell outs" because they don't vote with their race or ethnic group.

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By *andE2000Man 3 weeks ago

Bathgate

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By *andE2000Man 3 weeks ago

Bathgate

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By *andE2000Man 3 weeks ago

Bathgate


"Just as with Iraq, our government is failing to represent the opinion of the majority of citizens on this issue.

Israel is a racist, expansionist state, founded on terrorism and ethnic cleansing, which has always been given carte blanche to do as it pleases, irrespective of international law and standards of decency.

Its recklessly homicidal IDF (motto: shoot first, ask questions later) regularly murders journalists and aid workers, quite apart from its horrific actions against Palestinian civilians.

Hamas is the creation of Israeli policy and its recent incursion, while in no way excusable in its ferocity, is understandable in terms of tactics. Now that Israelis are sharing with Palestinians what it means to live in a state of existential fear, perhaps the requirement for the elusive two-state solution might finally become clear, as a real priority and necessity, rather than a theoretical talking point, to Israel and its western backers.

Eloquent and excellent post! I only wish politicians could read this..

Totally rubbish. Israel has open and free elections of which Arabs are elected and represented. Isreal is surrounded by racist and hostile States that would quite happily invade Isreal if they could (they have tried several times )

This like saying: Apartheid South Africa has open and free elections in which 100% of white invaders can vote and 15% of the Blacks can vote and are represented by sold out Blacks. While the other 85% Blacks have no human rights. And they are surrounded by racist Black countries. Racist because they don't like Apartheid.

You're the lovely non racist who is supporting a lovely Apartheid Israel that's only committing genocide to defend itself.

The only racist here is you. Making racist comments and false equivocations..

What have I said that's racist? Or do you make empty accusations?

You basically called a certain racial group uncle Tom's "sell outs" because they don't vote with their race or ethnic group."

Haha Which race I called "Uncle Tom's Sell out"? Lol

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By *oxychick35Couple 3 weeks ago

thornaby


"If not genocide what is it? 20 to 30,000 civilians killed whilst penned behind steel fences. Half the dead women and children. What is the purpose of so many civilian deaths? Modern munitions can be accurately targeted. Civilians are not a military threat. So why?"
how many civilians deaths if hamas whernt useing them as human shields I wonder ? And what should Israel response be what would any western country’s response of been ? Ppl asking for a ceasefire forget there was one hamas broke it and what they did was as disgusting as could be would hamas really respect a ceasefire and laydown there weapons only a uni educated fool would think so

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By *andE2000Man 2 weeks ago

Bathgate


"If not genocide what is it? 20 to 30,000 civilians killed whilst penned behind steel fences. Half the dead women and children. What is the purpose of so many civilian deaths? Modern munitions can be accurately targeted. Civilians are not a military threat. So why? how many civilians deaths if hamas whernt useing them as human shields I wonder ? And what should Israel response be what would any western country’s response of been ? Ppl asking for a ceasefire forget there was one hamas broke it and what they did was as disgusting as could be would hamas really respect a ceasefire and laydown there weapons only a uni educated fool would think so "

Human shields? Have seen Gaza? No hospital was spared no house was spared

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By *heffielderCouple 2 weeks ago

sheffield


"Just as with Iraq, our government is failing to represent the opinion of the majority of citizens on this issue.

Israel is a racist, expansionist state, founded on terrorism and ethnic cleansing, which has always been given carte blanche to do as it pleases, irrespective of international law and standards of decency.

Its recklessly homicidal IDF (motto: shoot first, ask questions later) regularly murders journalists and aid workers, quite apart from its horrific actions against Palestinian civilians.

Hamas is the creation of Israeli policy and its recent incursion, while in no way excusable in its ferocity, is understandable in terms of tactics. Now that Israelis are sharing with Palestinians what it means to live in a state of existential fear, perhaps the requirement for the elusive two-state solution might finally become clear, as a real priority and necessity, rather than a theoretical talking point, to Israel and its western backers.

Eloquent and excellent post! I only wish politicians could read this..

Totally rubbish. Israel has open and free elections of which Arabs are elected and represented. Isreal is surrounded by racist and hostile States that would quite happily invade Isreal if they could (they have tried several times )

This like saying: Apartheid South Africa has open and free elections in which 100% of white invaders can vote and 15% of the Blacks can vote and are represented by sold out Blacks. While the other 85% Blacks have no human rights. And they are surrounded by racist Black countries. Racist because they don't like Apartheid.

You're the lovely non racist who is supporting a lovely Apartheid Israel that's only committing genocide to defend itself.

The only racist here is you. Making racist comments and false equivocations..

What have I said that's racist? Or do you make empty accusations?

You basically called a certain racial group uncle Tom's "sell outs" because they don't vote with their race or ethnic group.

Haha Which race I called "Uncle Tom's Sell out"? Lol"

You specifically said "sold out blacks" that is a slur

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By *andE2000Man 2 weeks ago

Bathgate


"Just as with Iraq, our government is failing to represent the opinion of the majority of citizens on this issue.

Israel is a racist, expansionist state, founded on terrorism and ethnic cleansing, which has always been given carte blanche to do as it pleases, irrespective of international law and standards of decency.

Its recklessly homicidal IDF (motto: shoot first, ask questions later) regularly murders journalists and aid workers, quite apart from its horrific actions against Palestinian civilians.

Hamas is the creation of Israeli policy and its recent incursion, while in no way excusable in its ferocity, is understandable in terms of tactics. Now that Israelis are sharing with Palestinians what it means to live in a state of existential fear, perhaps the requirement for the elusive two-state solution might finally become clear, as a real priority and necessity, rather than a theoretical talking point, to Israel and its western backers.

Eloquent and excellent post! I only wish politicians could read this..

Totally rubbish. Israel has open and free elections of which Arabs are elected and represented. Isreal is surrounded by racist and hostile States that would quite happily invade Isreal if they could (they have tried several times )

This like saying: Apartheid South Africa has open and free elections in which 100% of white invaders can vote and 15% of the Blacks can vote and are represented by sold out Blacks. While the other 85% Blacks have no human rights. And they are surrounded by racist Black countries. Racist because they don't like Apartheid.

You're the lovely non racist who is supporting a lovely Apartheid Israel that's only committing genocide to defend itself.

The only racist here is you. Making racist comments and false equivocations..

What have I said that's racist? Or do you make empty accusations?

You basically called a certain racial group uncle Tom's "sell outs" because they don't vote with their race or ethnic group.

Haha Which race I called "Uncle Tom's Sell out"? Lol

You specifically said "sold out blacks" that is a slur"

Quote me where?

There are traitors in every community. There is nothing racist about mentioning traitors.

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By *heffielderCouple 2 weeks ago

sheffield


"Just as with Iraq, our government is failing to represent the opinion of the majority of citizens on this issue.

Israel is a racist, expansionist state, founded on terrorism and ethnic cleansing, which has always been given carte blanche to do as it pleases, irrespective of international law and standards of decency.

Its recklessly homicidal IDF (motto: shoot first, ask questions later) regularly murders journalists and aid workers, quite apart from its horrific actions against Palestinian civilians.

Hamas is the creation of Israeli policy and its recent incursion, while in no way excusable in its ferocity, is understandable in terms of tactics. Now that Israelis are sharing with Palestinians what it means to live in a state of existential fear, perhaps the requirement for the elusive two-state solution might finally become clear, as a real priority and necessity, rather than a theoretical talking point, to Israel and its western backers.

Eloquent and excellent post! I only wish politicians could read this..

Totally rubbish. Israel has open and free elections of which Arabs are elected and represented. Isreal is surrounded by racist and hostile States that would quite happily invade Isreal if they could (they have tried several times )

This like saying: Apartheid South Africa has open and free elections in which 100% of white invaders can vote and 15% of the Blacks can vote and are represented by sold out Blacks. While the other 85% Blacks have no human rights. And they are surrounded by racist Black countries. Racist because they don't like Apartheid.

You're the lovely non racist who is supporting a lovely Apartheid Israel that's only committing genocide to defend itself.

The only racist here is you. Making racist comments and false equivocations..

What have I said that's racist? Or do you make empty accusations?

You basically called a certain racial group uncle Tom's "sell outs" because they don't vote with their race or ethnic group.

Haha Which race I called "Uncle Tom's Sell out"? Lol

You specifically said "sold out blacks" that is a slur

Quote me where?

There are traitors in every community. There is nothing racist about mentioning traitors. "

Here's the quote from you

"This like saying: Apartheid South Africa has open and free elections in which 100% of white invaders can vote and 15% of the Blacks can vote and are represented by sold out Blacks. While the other 85% Blacks have no human rights. And they are surrounded by racist Black countries. Racist because they don't like Apartheid."

Saying someone is a traitor to there race because they have different opinions or make different choices is racist and bigoted..

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By *andE2000Man 2 weeks ago

Bathgate


"Just as with Iraq, our government is failing to represent the opinion of the majority of citizens on this issue.

Israel is a racist, expansionist state, founded on terrorism and ethnic cleansing, which has always been given carte blanche to do as it pleases, irrespective of international law and standards of decency.

Its recklessly homicidal IDF (motto: shoot first, ask questions later) regularly murders journalists and aid workers, quite apart from its horrific actions against Palestinian civilians.

Hamas is the creation of Israeli policy and its recent incursion, while in no way excusable in its ferocity, is understandable in terms of tactics. Now that Israelis are sharing with Palestinians what it means to live in a state of existential fear, perhaps the requirement for the elusive two-state solution might finally become clear, as a real priority and necessity, rather than a theoretical talking point, to Israel and its western backers.

Eloquent and excellent post! I only wish politicians could read this..

Totally rubbish. Israel has open and free elections of which Arabs are elected and represented. Isreal is surrounded by racist and hostile States that would quite happily invade Isreal if they could (they have tried several times )

This like saying: Apartheid South Africa has open and free elections in which 100% of white invaders can vote and 15% of the Blacks can vote and are represented by sold out Blacks. While the other 85% Blacks have no human rights. And they are surrounded by racist Black countries. Racist because they don't like Apartheid.

You're the lovely non racist who is supporting a lovely Apartheid Israel that's only committing genocide to defend itself.

The only racist here is you. Making racist comments and false equivocations..

What have I said that's racist? Or do you make empty accusations?

You basically called a certain racial group uncle Tom's "sell outs" because they don't vote with their race or ethnic group.

Haha Which race I called "Uncle Tom's Sell out"? Lol

You specifically said "sold out blacks" that is a slur

Quote me where?

There are traitors in every community. There is nothing racist about mentioning traitors.

Here's the quote from you

"This like saying: Apartheid South Africa has open and free elections in which 100% of white invaders can vote and 15% of the Blacks can vote and are represented by sold out Blacks. While the other 85% Blacks have no human rights. And they are surrounded by racist Black countries. Racist because they don't like Apartheid."

Saying someone is a traitor to there race because they have different opinions or make different choices is racist and bigoted.."

Lol, Congrats, you have just invented a new definition of racism. Stop watching Disney Cartoons

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By *heffielderCouple 2 weeks ago

sheffield


"Just as with Iraq, our government is failing to represent the opinion of the majority of citizens on this issue.

Israel is a racist, expansionist state, founded on terrorism and ethnic cleansing, which has always been given carte blanche to do as it pleases, irrespective of international law and standards of decency.

Its recklessly homicidal IDF (motto: shoot first, ask questions later) regularly murders journalists and aid workers, quite apart from its horrific actions against Palestinian civilians.

Hamas is the creation of Israeli policy and its recent incursion, while in no way excusable in its ferocity, is understandable in terms of tactics. Now that Israelis are sharing with Palestinians what it means to live in a state of existential fear, perhaps the requirement for the elusive two-state solution might finally become clear, as a real priority and necessity, rather than a theoretical talking point, to Israel and its western backers.

Eloquent and excellent post! I only wish politicians could read this..

Totally rubbish. Israel has open and free elections of which Arabs are elected and represented. Isreal is surrounded by racist and hostile States that would quite happily invade Isreal if they could (they have tried several times )

This like saying: Apartheid South Africa has open and free elections in which 100% of white invaders can vote and 15% of the Blacks can vote and are represented by sold out Blacks. While the other 85% Blacks have no human rights. And they are surrounded by racist Black countries. Racist because they don't like Apartheid.

You're the lovely non racist who is supporting a lovely Apartheid Israel that's only committing genocide to defend itself.

The only racist here is you. Making racist comments and false equivocations..

What have I said that's racist? Or do you make empty accusations?

You basically called a certain racial group uncle Tom's "sell outs" because they don't vote with their race or ethnic group.

Haha Which race I called "Uncle Tom's Sell out"? Lol

You specifically said "sold out blacks" that is a slur

Quote me where?

There are traitors in every community. There is nothing racist about mentioning traitors.

Here's the quote from you

"This like saying: Apartheid South Africa has open and free elections in which 100% of white invaders can vote and 15% of the Blacks can vote and are represented by sold out Blacks. While the other 85% Blacks have no human rights. And they are surrounded by racist Black countries. Racist because they don't like Apartheid."

Saying someone is a traitor to there race because they have different opinions or make different choices is racist and bigoted..

Lol, Congrats, you have just invented a new definition of racism. Stop watching Disney Cartoons "

I haven't invented anything. Slurs like "uncle tom" date back the 19th century.

I don't watch Disney films because they are too woke.

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By *andE2000Man 2 weeks ago

Bathgate


"Just as with Iraq, our government is failing to represent the opinion of the majority of citizens on this issue.

Israel is a racist, expansionist state, founded on terrorism and ethnic cleansing, which has always been given carte blanche to do as it pleases, irrespective of international law and standards of decency.

Its recklessly homicidal IDF (motto: shoot first, ask questions later) regularly murders journalists and aid workers, quite apart from its horrific actions against Palestinian civilians.

Hamas is the creation of Israeli policy and its recent incursion, while in no way excusable in its ferocity, is understandable in terms of tactics. Now that Israelis are sharing with Palestinians what it means to live in a state of existential fear, perhaps the requirement for the elusive two-state solution might finally become clear, as a real priority and necessity, rather than a theoretical talking point, to Israel and its western backers.

Eloquent and excellent post! I only wish politicians could read this..

Totally rubbish. Israel has open and free elections of which Arabs are elected and represented. Isreal is surrounded by racist and hostile States that would quite happily invade Isreal if they could (they have tried several times )

This like saying: Apartheid South Africa has open and free elections in which 100% of white invaders can vote and 15% of the Blacks can vote and are represented by sold out Blacks. While the other 85% Blacks have no human rights. And they are surrounded by racist Black countries. Racist because they don't like Apartheid.

You're the lovely non racist who is supporting a lovely Apartheid Israel that's only committing genocide to defend itself.

The only racist here is you. Making racist comments and false equivocations..

What have I said that's racist? Or do you make empty accusations?

You basically called a certain racial group uncle Tom's "sell outs" because they don't vote with their race or ethnic group.

Haha Which race I called "Uncle Tom's Sell out"? Lol

You specifically said "sold out blacks" that is a slur

Quote me where?

There are traitors in every community. There is nothing racist about mentioning traitors.

Here's the quote from you

"This like saying: Apartheid South Africa has open and free elections in which 100% of white invaders can vote and 15% of the Blacks can vote and are represented by sold out Blacks. While the other 85% Blacks have no human rights. And they are surrounded by racist Black countries. Racist because they don't like Apartheid."

Saying someone is a traitor to there race because they have different opinions or make different choices is racist and bigoted..

Lol, Congrats, you have just invented a new definition of racism. Stop watching Disney Cartoons

I haven't invented anything. Slurs like "uncle tom" date back the 19th century.

I don't watch Disney films because they are too woke."

"Uncle tom" is a nickname for people who betray their community in obedience to the master enslaving them. In other words. Traitors.

Although I haven't used that terminology. You did. It's not racist.

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By *oolyCoolyCplCouple 2 weeks ago

Newcastle under Lyme

Forcing a million or more people to relocate to the border and bombing their homes certainly sounds like ethnic cleansing to us. Still, I guess grabbing the land is worth it even if it means making yet another generation of Hamas.

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan 2 weeks ago

golden fields


"Forcing a million or more people to relocate to the border and bombing their homes certainly sounds like ethnic cleansing to us. Still, I guess grabbing the land is worth it even if it means making yet another generation of Hamas."

The real winners, the US arms industry, don't give a fuck, actually it works on their favour to have more angry young men with nothing left to lose in Palestine.

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By *andE2000Man 2 weeks ago

Bathgate


"Forcing a million or more people to relocate to the border and bombing their homes certainly sounds like ethnic cleansing to us. Still, I guess grabbing the land is worth it even if it means making yet another generation of Hamas."

They're bombing them in the Borders now

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By *enSiskoMan 2 weeks ago

Cestus 3


"Forcing a million or more people to relocate to the border and bombing their homes certainly sounds like ethnic cleansing to us. Still, I guess grabbing the land is worth it even if it means making yet another generation of Hamas.

They're bombing them in the Borders now"

I saw that story, it made me realise this is genocide, these people cannot escape, they are waiting for death, this is awful, just awful.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS 2 weeks ago

Central


"Forcing a million or more people to relocate to the border and bombing their homes certainly sounds like ethnic cleansing to us. Still, I guess grabbing the land is worth it even if it means making yet another generation of Hamas.

They're bombing them in the Borders now

I saw that story, it made me realise this is genocide, these people cannot escape, they are waiting for death, this is awful, just awful."

Not to mention the blockade of supplies, resulting in starvation etc

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By *enSiskoMan 2 weeks ago

Cestus 3


"Forcing a million or more people to relocate to the border and bombing their homes certainly sounds like ethnic cleansing to us. Still, I guess grabbing the land is worth it even if it means making yet another generation of Hamas.

They're bombing them in the Borders now

I saw that story, it made me realise this is genocide, these people cannot escape, they are waiting for death, this is awful, just awful.

Not to mention the blockade of supplies, resulting in starvation etc"

Awful really no words.

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By *alicoJackMan 2 weeks ago

Sunny Seaham Harbour, North Durham Coast


"Forcing a million or more people to relocate to the border and bombing their homes certainly sounds like ethnic cleansing to us. Still, I guess grabbing the land is worth it even if it means making yet another generation of Hamas.

They're bombing them in the Borders now

I saw that story, it made me realise this is genocide, these people cannot escape, they are waiting for death, this is awful, just awful.

Not to mention the blockade of supplies, resulting in starvation etc

Awful really no words."

I hope the USA finally understand what they've let happen in time to finally do something about it.

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By *andE2000Man 2 weeks ago

Bathgate


"Forcing a million or more people to relocate to the border and bombing their homes certainly sounds like ethnic cleansing to us. Still, I guess grabbing the land is worth it even if it means making yet another generation of Hamas.

They're bombing them in the Borders now

I saw that story, it made me realise this is genocide, these people cannot escape, they are waiting for death, this is awful, just awful.

Not to mention the blockade of supplies, resulting in starvation etc

Awful really no words.

I hope the USA finally understand what they've let happen in time to finally do something about it.

"

The USA didn't let it happen. The USA is a full partner in this genocide and so is the UK.

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By *estivalMan 2 weeks ago

borehamwood


"Forcing a million or more people to relocate to the border and bombing their homes certainly sounds like ethnic cleansing to us. Still, I guess grabbing the land is worth it even if it means making yet another generation of Hamas.

They're bombing them in the Borders now

I saw that story, it made me realise this is genocide, these people cannot escape, they are waiting for death, this is awful, just awful.

Not to mention the blockade of supplies, resulting in starvation etc

Awful really no words.

I hope the USA finally understand what they've let happen in time to finally do something about it.

"

of course they wont understand, then when retaliation comes to there shores they will all act surprised as to why someone would want to attack them

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By *alicoJackMan 2 weeks ago

Sunny Seaham Harbour, North Durham Coast

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By *alicoJackMan 2 weeks ago

Sunny Seaham Harbour, North Durham Coast


"Forcing a million or more people to relocate to the border and bombing their homes certainly sounds like ethnic cleansing to us. Still, I guess grabbing the land is worth it even if it means making yet another generation of Hamas.

They're bombing them in the Borders now

I saw that story, it made me realise this is genocide, these people cannot escape, they are waiting for death, this is awful, just awful.

Not to mention the blockade of supplies, resulting in starvation etc

Awful really no words.

I hope the USA finally understand what they've let happen in time to finally do something about it.

The USA didn't let it happen. The USA is a full partner in this genocide and so is the UK. "

Well yes but the organ grinder is the USA. The UK is just the monkey

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By *uddy laneMan 2 weeks ago

dudley

Isreal are searching for hostages hidden in the area, I don't think it matters who took the hostages Israel want them back.

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By *0shadesOfFilthMan 2 weeks ago

nearby


"Isreal are searching for hostages hidden in the area, I don't think it matters who took the hostages Israel want them back."

28,000 killed searching for 140 odd

Is it worth the human loss ?

Why not offer Hamas double the virgins that Allah promised them in exchange for the hostages

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By *alicoJackMan 2 weeks ago

Sunny Seaham Harbour, North Durham Coast

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By *alicoJackMan 2 weeks ago

Sunny Seaham Harbour, North Durham Coast


"Isreal are searching for hostages hidden in the area, I don't think it matters who took the hostages Israel want them back."

The relatives of hostages are demanding their return and criticising the government for not negotiating better.

Sixy odd innocent palisitinians killed to rescue two hostages.

The palisitinians are easil forgotten by some

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By *resesse_MelioremCouple 2 weeks ago

Border of London


"Isreal are searching for hostages hidden in the area, I don't think it matters who took the hostages Israel want them back.

28,000 killed searching for 140 odd

Is it worth the human loss ?

Why not offer Hamas double the virgins that Allah promised them in exchange for the hostages "

The Palestinian population would have done this to Hamas if they thought it would work?

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By *AFKA HovisMan 2 weeks ago

Sindon Swingdon Swindon


"Isreal are searching for hostages hidden in the area, I don't think it matters who took the hostages Israel want them back."
does anyone know how many they have rescued in military campaigns?

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By *estivalMan 2 weeks ago

borehamwood


"Isreal are searching for hostages hidden in the area, I don't think it matters who took the hostages Israel want them back.does anyone know how many they have rescued in military campaigns?

"

fuck knows but when you look at how they have flattend gaza i wouldnt be at all surprised if most of the hostages are buried under the rubble, but lets be honest the hostages aint at the top of nutty yahoos list

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By *0shadesOfFilthMan 2 weeks ago

nearby


"Isreal are searching for hostages hidden in the area, I don't think it matters who took the hostages Israel want them back.does anyone know how many they have rescued in military campaigns?

"

103 rescued by Israeli paras at Entebbe.

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By *AFKA HovisMan 2 weeks ago

Sindon Swingdon Swindon


"Isreal are searching for hostages hidden in the area, I don't think it matters who took the hostages Israel want them back.does anyone know how many they have rescued in military campaigns?

103 rescued by Israeli paras at Entebbe. "

I wasn't clear. I meant in this conflict !

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By *resesse_MelioremCouple 2 weeks ago

Border of London


"

fuck knows but when you look at how they have flattend gaza i wouldnt be at all surprised if most of the hostages are buried under the rubble, but lets be honest the hostages aint at the top of nutty yahoos list"

This is true. His priority is demonstrating what Israel is willing and capable of as a deterrent. And bugger the cost, on either side. The thinking is that, in the region, an unwillingness to engage for operational or ethical reasons is seen as weakness and allows further invasions. This is why statements like "you're just creating more terrorists" falls on deaf ears. The perception is that the cost of doing nothing (or little) emboldens them more. It is also a message to Lebanon (and others) who are much more capable than Hamas.

95% of reasonable discussion in the West simply doesn't get the mindset on any side of most Middle Eastern conflicts, the nuances, the grievances, etc. That's not a comment on those discussing, so much as acknowledgement of the complexity. Why is Yemen in civil war? Why does Kurdistan not exist? Who actually controls Lebanon, and why? And it's the people at the bottom, on all sides, who suffer.

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By *andE2000Man 2 weeks ago

Bathgate


"Isreal are searching for hostages hidden in the area, I don't think it matters who took the hostages Israel want them back.

28,000 killed searching for 140 odd

Is it worth the human loss ?

Why not offer Hamas double the virgins that Allah promised them in exchange for the hostages "

What a retarded bigoted reply

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By *resesse_MelioremCouple 2 weeks ago

Border of London


"

What a retarded bigoted reply"

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2002/jan/12/books.guardianreview5

In August, 2001, the American television channel CBS aired an interview with a Hamas activist Muhammad Abu Wardeh, who recruited terrorists for suicide bombings in Israel. Abu Wardeh was quoted as saying: "I described to him how God would compensate the martyr for sacrificing his life for his land. If you become a martyr, God will give you 70 virgins, 70 wives and everlasting happiness."

If this is the case, how is it a bigoted response?

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By *andE2000Man 2 weeks ago

Bathgate


"

What a retarded bigoted reply

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2002/jan/12/books.guardianreview5

In August, 2001, the American television channel CBS aired an interview with a Hamas activist Muhammad Abu Wardeh, who recruited terrorists for suicide bombings in Israel. Abu Wardeh was quoted as saying: "I described to him how God would compensate the martyr for sacrificing his life for his land. If you become a martyr, God will give you 70 virgins, 70 wives and everlasting happiness."

If this is the case, how is it a bigoted response?

"

And your source is Rupert Murdoch and American Propaganda. The Most Muslim loving Propaganda.

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By *resesse_MelioremCouple 2 weeks ago

Border of London


"

And your source is Rupert Murdoch and American Propaganda. The Most Muslim loving Propaganda. "

Are you suggesting that Muhammad Abu Wardeh did not say that?

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By *andE2000Man 2 weeks ago

Bathgate


"

And your source is Rupert Murdoch and American Propaganda. The Most Muslim loving Propaganda.

Are you suggesting that Muhammad Abu Wardeh did not say that?"

Do you know him in person? Do you have proof that he is a Hamas member? Or that he represents Islamic faith?

This is like saying: Hizbu-Allah television has interviewed a Lieutenant James Brown, a member of the the US genocidal Army and he speaks on how he recruited American terrorists: "I told them by invading Muslim lands you get to grape 72 Muslim Virgins"

Wouldn't you question the motives of such propaganda?

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By *bsolutely nutsMan 2 weeks ago

Canterbury


"

What a retarded bigoted reply

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2002/jan/12/books.guardianreview5

In August, 2001, the American television channel CBS aired an interview with a Hamas activist Muhammad Abu Wardeh, who recruited terrorists for suicide bombings in Israel. Abu Wardeh was quoted as saying: "I described to him how God would compensate the martyr for sacrificing his life for his land. If you become a martyr, God will give you 70 virgins, 70 wives and everlasting happiness."

If this is the case, how is it a bigoted response?

And your source is Rupert Murdoch and American Propaganda. The Most Muslim loving Propaganda. "

Are you suggesting that the 2001 interview was false or deep fake? Or are you suggesting that the interviewee was lying?

In case you hadn't realised, there is a difference between bias of reporting, which can be true of every newsroom and running an interview, which relays the words of the interviewee.

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By *andE2000Man 2 weeks ago

Bathgate


"

What a retarded bigoted reply

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2002/jan/12/books.guardianreview5

In August, 2001, the American television channel CBS aired an interview with a Hamas activist Muhammad , who recruited terrorists for suicide bombings in Israel. Abu Wardeh was quoted as saying: "I described to him how God would compensate the martyr for sacrificing his life for his land. If you become a martyr, God will give you 70 virgins, 70 wives and everlasting happiness."

If this is the case, how is it a bigoted response?

And your source is Rupert Murdoch and American Propaganda. The Most Muslim loving Propaganda.

Are you suggesting that the 2001 interview was false or deep fake? Or are you suggesting that the interviewee was lying?

In case you hadn't realised, there is a difference between bias of reporting, which can be true of every newsroom and running an interview, which relays the words of the interviewee.

"

Western Media told western audiences countries lies more than you can count to demonise Muslims and justify the invasions and the Murder of many millions of innocent people in the Middle east and Africa. That's a fact.

Nobody knows this: Mohammed Abu Wardeh. The Original interview is not available. So nobody can investigate the claim of what he said, or what he claims to be. All you are left with is a report from unreliable Guardian page.

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By *resesse_MelioremCouple 2 weeks ago

Border of London


"

Nobody knows this: Mohammed Abu Wardeh. The Original interview is not available. So nobody can investigate the claim of what he said, or what he claims to be. All you are left with is a report from unreliable Guardian page. "

Are you disputing the core facts to the point that the allegation was bigotry?

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By *andE2000Man 2 weeks ago

Bathgate


"

Nobody knows this: Mohammed Abu Wardeh. The Original interview is not available. So nobody can investigate the claim of what he said, or what he claims to be. All you are left with is a report from unreliable Guardian page.

Are you disputing the core facts to the point that the allegation was bigotry?"

100%. If you want to know about Christianity you don't go to Hizbu-Allah and if you want to know about this 72 virgins claims you certainly don't go to Rupert Murdoch. Just as when want to know about the alleged 40 babies burned in the Oven by Hamas militants, you don't ask Biden or Netanyahu

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By *bsolutely nutsMan 2 weeks ago

Canterbury


"

What a retarded bigoted reply

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2002/jan/12/books.guardianreview5

In August, 2001, the American television channel CBS aired an interview with a Hamas activist Muhammad , who recruited terrorists for suicide bombings in Israel. Abu Wardeh was quoted as saying: "I described to him how God would compensate the martyr for sacrificing his life for his land. If you become a martyr, God will give you 70 virgins, 70 wives and everlasting happiness."

If this is the case, how is it a bigoted response?

And your source is Rupert Murdoch and American Propaganda. The Most Muslim loving Propaganda.

Are you suggesting that the 2001 interview was false or deep fake? Or are you suggesting that the interviewee was lying?

In case you hadn't realised, there is a difference between bias of reporting, which can be true of every newsroom and running an interview, which relays the words of the interviewee.

Western Media told western audiences countries lies more than you can count to demonise Muslims and justify the invasions and the Murder of many millions of innocent people in the Middle east and Africa. That's a fact.

Nobody knows this: Mohammed Abu Wardeh. The Original interview is not available. So nobody can investigate the claim of what he said, or what he claims to be. All you are left with is a report from unreliable Guardian page. "

So what you are saying is that if something that is reported doesn't correlate with your own ideology, then it cannot be true?

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By *resesse_MelioremCouple 2 weeks ago

Border of London


"

Nobody knows this: Mohammed Abu Wardeh. The Original interview is not available. So nobody can investigate the claim of what he said, or what he claims to be. All you are left with is a report from unreliable Guardian page.

Are you disputing the core facts to the point that the allegation was bigotry?

100%. If you want to know about Christianity you don't go to Hizbu-Allah and if you want to know about this 72 virgins claims you certainly don't go to Rupert Murdoch. Just as when want to know about the alleged 40 babies burned in the Oven by Hamas militants, you don't ask Biden or Netanyahu "

Then disprove it with logic, don't just say, "argh, that doesn't fit with my narrative! It's a lie!".

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By *andE2000Man 2 weeks ago

Bathgate


"

Nobody knows this: Mohammed Abu Wardeh. The Original interview is not available. So nobody can investigate the claim of what he said, or what he claims to be. All you are left with is a report from unreliable Guardian page.

Are you disputing the core facts to the point that the allegation was bigotry?

100%. If you want to know about Christianity you don't go to Hizbu-Allah and if you want to know about this 72 virgins claims you certainly don't go to Rupert Murdoch. Just as when want to know about the alleged 40 babies burned in the Oven by Hamas militants, you don't ask Biden or Netanyahu

Then disprove it with logic, don't just say, "argh, that doesn't fit with my narrative! It's a lie!"."

Proof is the burden of the claimant. And if the Claimant is a proven perpetual liar, well known that they have deep rooted hatred for a certain group. Common sense is you don't take their claims as proof.

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By *resesse_MelioremCouple 2 weeks ago

Border of London


"

Proof is the burden of the claimant. And if the Claimant is a proven perpetual liar, well known that they have deep rooted hatred for a certain group. Common sense is you don't take their claims as proof. "

(sigh)

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By *verysmileMan 1 week ago

CANTERBURY


"

Nobody knows this: Mohammed Abu Wardeh. The Original interview is not available. So nobody can investigate the claim of what he said, or what he claims to be. All you are left with is a report from unreliable Guardian page.

Are you disputing the core facts to the point that the allegation was bigotry?

100%. If you want to know about Christianity you don't go to Hizbu-Allah and if you want to know about this 72 virgins claims you certainly don't go to Rupert Murdoch. Just as when want to know about the alleged 40 babies burned in the Oven by Hamas militants, you don't ask Biden or Netanyahu

Then disprove it with logic, don't just say, "argh, that doesn't fit with my narrative! It's a lie!".

Proof is the burden of the claimant. And if the Claimant is a proven perpetual liar, well known that they have deep rooted hatred for a certain group. Common sense is you don't take their claims as proof. "

So if your base level is asking for proof, can you do so in respect of the previous thread regarding the 3 people convicted of support for images of terrorism,where you state "People charged with terrorism for protesting agaist genocide with bollocks laws made by Zionists actively aiding genocide, would say anything to save their lives from being ruined by a corrupt system." (sic)...and I apologise for repeating what appears to be a something you may have drawn out of hatred.

Can you please prove that the laws were in fact, "made by zionists"?

After all, you were the claimant.

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By *andE2000Man 1 week ago

Bathgate


"

Nobody knows this: Mohammed Abu Wardeh. The Original interview is not available. So nobody can investigate the claim of what he said, or what he claims to be. All you are left with is a report from unreliable Guardian page.

Are you disputing the core facts to the point that the allegation was bigotry?

100%. If you want to know about Christianity you don't go to Hizbu-Allah and if you want to know about this 72 virgins claims you certainly don't go to Rupert Murdoch. Just as when want to know about the alleged 40 babies burned in the Oven by Hamas militants, you don't ask Biden or Netanyahu

Then disprove it with logic, don't just say, "argh, that doesn't fit with my narrative! It's a lie!".

Proof is the burden of the claimant. And if the Claimant is a proven perpetual liar, well known that they have deep rooted hatred for a certain group. Common sense is you don't take their claims as proof.

So if your base level is asking for proof, can you do so in respect of the previous thread regarding the 3 people convicted of support for images of terrorism,where you state "People charged with terrorism for protesting agaist genocide with bollocks laws made by Zionists actively aiding genocide, would say anything to save their lives from being ruined by a corrupt system." (sic)...and I apologise for repeating what appears to be a something you may have drawn out of hatred.

Can you please prove that the laws were in fact, "made by zionists"?

After all, you were the claimant. "

The UK is the creator of the illegal zionist Colonial Apartheid state. And it has been in full support of this injustice since then. Including full support of the ongoing genocide. You're asking me to prove the sun exists when it's out there for everyone to see. We have ministers and people in the Parliament who want to pass laws to ban Palestinian flags, boycot, ect. People who support the human rights of Palestinians are accused of antisemitism all the time. What happened in 2019 elections is still in living memory. What else is there to prove?

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By *verysmileMan 1 week ago

CANTERBURY


"

Nobody knows this: Mohammed Abu Wardeh. The Original interview is not available. So nobody can investigate the claim of what he said, or what he claims to be. All you are left with is a report from unreliable Guardian page.

Are you disputing the core facts to the point that the allegation was bigotry?

100%. If you want to know about Christianity you don't go to Hizbu-Allah and if you want to know about this 72 virgins claims you certainly don't go to Rupert Murdoch. Just as when want to know about the alleged 40 babies burned in the Oven by Hamas militants, you don't ask Biden or Netanyahu

Then disprove it with logic, don't just say, "argh, that doesn't fit with my narrative! It's a lie!".

Proof is the burden of the claimant. And if the Claimant is a proven perpetual liar, well known that they have deep rooted hatred for a certain group. Common sense is you don't take their claims as proof.

So if your base level is asking for proof, can you do so in respect of the previous thread regarding the 3 people convicted of support for images of terrorism,where you state "People charged with terrorism for protesting agaist genocide with bollocks laws made by Zionists actively aiding genocide, would say anything to save their lives from being ruined by a corrupt system." (sic)...and I apologise for repeating what appears to be a something you may have drawn out of hatred.

Can you please prove that the laws were in fact, "made by zionists"?

After all, you were the claimant.

The UK is the creator of the illegal zionist Colonial Apartheid state. And it has been in full support of this injustice since then. Including full support of the ongoing genocide. You're asking me to prove the sun exists when it's out there for everyone to see. We have ministers and people in the Parliament who want to pass laws to ban Palestinian flags, boycot, ect. People who support the human rights of Palestinians are accused of antisemitism all the time. What happened in 2019 elections is still in living memory. What else is there to prove? "

That isn't proof, it's opinion.

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By *andE2000Man 1 week ago

Bathgate


"

Nobody knows this: Mohammed Abu Wardeh. The Original interview is not available. So nobody can investigate the claim of what he said, or what he claims to be. All you are left with is a report from unreliable Guardian page.

Are you disputing the core facts to the point that the allegation was bigotry?

100%. If you want to know about Christianity you don't go to Hizbu-Allah and if you want to know about this 72 virgins claims you certainly don't go to Rupert Murdoch. Just as when want to know about the alleged 40 babies burned in the Oven by Hamas militants, you don't ask Biden or Netanyahu

Then disprove it with logic, don't just say, "argh, that doesn't fit with my narrative! It's a lie!".

Proof is the burden of the claimant. And if the Claimant is a proven perpetual liar, well known that they have deep rooted hatred for a certain group. Common sense is you don't take their claims as proof.

So if your base level is asking for proof, can you do so in respect of the previous thread regarding the 3 people convicted of support for images of terrorism,where you state "People charged with terrorism for protesting agaist genocide with bollocks laws made by Zionists actively aiding genocide, would say anything to save their lives from being ruined by a corrupt system." (sic)...and I apologise for repeating what appears to be a something you may have drawn out of hatred.

Can you please prove that the laws were in fact, "made by zionists"?

After all, you were the claimant.

The UK is the creator of the illegal zionist Colonial Apartheid state. And it has been in full support of this injustice since then. Including full support of the ongoing genocide. You're asking me to prove the sun exists when it's out there for everyone to see. We have ministers and people in the Parliament who want to pass laws to ban Palestinian flags, boycot, ect. People who support the human rights of Palestinians are accused of antisemitism all the time. What happened in 2019 elections is still in living memory. What else is there to prove?

That isn't proof, it's opinion. "

It's an opinion the sun exists?

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By *verysmileMan 1 week ago

CANTERBURY


"

Nobody knows this: Mohammed Abu Wardeh. The Original interview is not available. So nobody can investigate the claim of what he said, or what he claims to be. All you are left with is a report from unreliable Guardian page.

Are you disputing the core facts to the point that the allegation was bigotry?

100%. If you want to know about Christianity you don't go to Hizbu-Allah and if you want to know about this 72 virgins claims you certainly don't go to Rupert Murdoch. Just as when want to know about the alleged 40 babies burned in the Oven by Hamas militants, you don't ask Biden or Netanyahu

Then disprove it with logic, don't just say, "argh, that doesn't fit with my narrative! It's a lie!".

Proof is the burden of the claimant. And if the Claimant is a proven perpetual liar, well known that they have deep rooted hatred for a certain group. Common sense is you don't take their claims as proof.

So if your base level is asking for proof, can you do so in respect of the previous thread regarding the 3 people convicted of support for images of terrorism,where you state "People charged with terrorism for protesting agaist genocide with bollocks laws made by Zionists actively aiding genocide, would say anything to save their lives from being ruined by a corrupt system." (sic)...and I apologise for repeating what appears to be a something you may have drawn out of hatred.

Can you please prove that the laws were in fact, "made by zionists"?

After all, you were the claimant.

The UK is the creator of the illegal zionist Colonial Apartheid state. And it has been in full support of this injustice since then. Including full support of the ongoing genocide. You're asking me to prove the sun exists when it's out there for everyone to see. We have ministers and people in the Parliament who want to pass laws to ban Palestinian flags, boycot, ect. People who support the human rights of Palestinians are accused of antisemitism all the time. What happened in 2019 elections is still in living memory. What else is there to prove?

That isn't proof, it's opinion.

It's an opinion the sun exists? "

You still haven't proven that UK laws in relation to the prosecutions were "made by zionists" have you?

It is your opinion but show us the proof.

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By *resesse_MelioremCouple 1 week ago

Border of London


"

That isn't proof, it's opinion. "

If it's an opinion held by the above poster, then it's a fact so obvious that it doesn't need proof or logic. If not, then any proof you bring is an evil opinion from the MSM or Zionazis, which itself proves it to be false.

Simples

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By *andE2000Man 1 week ago

Bathgate


"

Nobody knows this: Mohammed Abu Wardeh. The Original interview is not available. So nobody can investigate the claim of what he said, or what he claims to be. All you are left with is a report from unreliable Guardian page.

Are you disputing the core facts to the point that the allegation was bigotry?

100%. If you want to know about Christianity you don't go to Hizbu-Allah and if you want to know about this 72 virgins claims you certainly don't go to Rupert Murdoch. Just as when want to know about the alleged 40 babies burned in the Oven by Hamas militants, you don't ask Biden or Netanyahu

Then disprove it with logic, don't just say, "argh, that doesn't fit with my narrative! It's a lie!".

Proof is the burden of the claimant. And if the Claimant is a proven perpetual liar, well known that they have deep rooted hatred for a certain group. Common sense is you don't take their claims as proof.

So if your base level is asking for proof, can you do so in respect of the previous thread regarding the 3 people convicted of support for images of terrorism,where you state "People charged with terrorism for protesting agaist genocide with bollocks laws made by Zionists actively aiding genocide, would say anything to save their lives from being ruined by a corrupt system." (sic)...and I apologise for repeating what appears to be a something you may have drawn out of hatred.

Can you please prove that the laws were in fact, "made by zionists"?

After all, you were the claimant.

The UK is the creator of the illegal zionist Colonial Apartheid state. And it has been in full support of this injustice since then. Including full support of the ongoing genocide. You're asking me to prove the sun exists when it's out there for everyone to see. We have ministers and people in the Parliament who want to pass laws to ban Palestinian flags, boycot, ect. People who support the human rights of Palestinians are accused of antisemitism all the time. What happened in 2019 elections is still in living memory. What else is there to prove?

That isn't proof, it's opinion.

It's an opinion the sun exists?

You still haven't proven that UK laws in relation to the prosecutions were "made by zionists" have you?

It is your opinion but show us the proof.

"

Both the Tories and Labour party (that has purged 1000's of its members for their support of Palestinian human rights) are zionist parties who pledge support for Israel even in Its genocide.

What more proof do you need they are zionists?

They pass laws to classify Palestinian armed resistance as "Terrorism" and therefore any support for resistance by any british citizen, even through speech they made it a criminal offence. What more proof do you need that the law makers are zionists?

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By *verysmileMan 1 week ago

CANTERBURY


"

Nobody knows this: Mohammed Abu Wardeh. The Original interview is not available. So nobody can investigate the claim of what he said, or what he claims to be. All you are left with is a report from unreliable Guardian page.

Are you disputing the core facts to the point that the allegation was bigotry?

100%. If you want to know about Christianity you don't go to Hizbu-Allah and if you want to know about this 72 virgins claims you certainly don't go to Rupert Murdoch. Just as when want to know about the alleged 40 babies burned in the Oven by Hamas militants, you don't ask Biden or Netanyahu

Then disprove it with logic, don't just say, "argh, that doesn't fit with my narrative! It's a lie!".

Proof is the burden of the claimant. And if the Claimant is a proven perpetual liar, well known that they have deep rooted hatred for a certain group. Common sense is you don't take their claims as proof.

So if your base level is asking for proof, can you do so in respect of the previous thread regarding the 3 people convicted of support for images of terrorism,where you state "People charged with terrorism for protesting agaist genocide with bollocks laws made by Zionists actively aiding genocide, would say anything to save their lives from being ruined by a corrupt system." (sic)...and I apologise for repeating what appears to be a something you may have drawn out of hatred.

Can you please prove that the laws were in fact, "made by zionists"?

After all, you were the claimant.

The UK is the creator of the illegal zionist Colonial Apartheid state. And it has been in full support of this injustice since then. Including full support of the ongoing genocide. You're asking me to prove the sun exists when it's out there for everyone to see. We have ministers and people in the Parliament who want to pass laws to ban Palestinian flags, boycot, ect. People who support the human rights of Palestinians are accused of antisemitism all the time. What happened in 2019 elections is still in living memory. What else is there to prove?

That isn't proof, it's opinion.

It's an opinion the sun exists?

You still haven't proven that UK laws in relation to the prosecutions were "made by zionists" have you?

It is your opinion but show us the proof.

Both the Tories and Labour party (that has purged 1000's of its members for their support of Palestinian human rights) are zionist parties who pledge support for Israel even in Its genocide.

What more proof do you need they are zionists?

They pass laws to classify Palestinian armed resistance as "Terrorism" and therefore any support for resistance by any british citizen, even through speech they made it a criminal offence. What more proof do you need that the law makers are zionists? "

Your opinion is that they are zionists.

The laws were not aimed at any protest in favour of the Palestinians. These laws have been used to stop support for anyone supporting or encouraging any terrorist activity, whether political or religious based.

It just so happens that when 3 people decided to celebrate a terrorist act by a terrorist organisation, they were prosecuted.

I know a people have been suspended from Labour but is the number truly 1000's who have been purged? ... and have 1000's been purged from the Tories?

Can you define what you mean by 'purged'?

Again, in line with your comments as a claimant, can you provide proof of your numbers as well?

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By *andE2000Man 1 week ago

Bathgate


"

The laws were not aimed at any protest in favour of the Palestinians. These laws have been used to stop support for anyone supporting or encouraging any terrorist activity, whether political or religious based.

Genocide and ethnic cleansing is not terrorism when it's committed by Israel. In the eyes of these zionist law makers. It's only terrorism when the Palestinians dare to fight back.

Cut the crap

"

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By *verysmileMan 1 week ago

CANTERBURY


"

The laws were not aimed at any protest in favour of the Palestinians. These laws have been used to stop support for anyone supporting or encouraging any terrorist activity, whether political or religious based.

Genocide and ethnic cleansing is not terrorism when it's committed by Israel. In the eyes of these zionist law makers. It's only terrorism when the Palestinians dare to fight back.

Cut the crap

"

Again, you will not apply the standards that you expect of others to your own argument.

Would you please answer rather than saying "Cut the crap"?

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By *bsolutely nutsMan 1 week ago

Canterbury


"

The laws were not aimed at any protest in favour of the Palestinians. These laws have been used to stop support for anyone supporting or encouraging any terrorist activity, whether political or religious based.

Genocide and ethnic cleansing is not terrorism when it's committed by Israel. In the eyes of these zionist law makers. It's only terrorism when the Palestinians dare to fight back.

Cut the crap

"

I think you may be confused.

The prosecution was in respect of support for a terrorist act.

There is no 'counter'support in the same vein for any act of aggression against any civilian.

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By *andE2000Man 1 week ago

Bathgate

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By *andE2000Man 1 week ago

Bathgate


"

The laws were not aimed at any protest in favour of the Palestinians. These laws have been used to stop support for anyone supporting or encouraging any terrorist activity, whether political or religious based.

Genocide and ethnic cleansing is not terrorism when it's committed by Israel. In the eyes of these zionist law makers. It's only terrorism when the Palestinians dare to fight back.

Cut the crap

I think you may be confused.

The prosecution was in respect of support for a terrorist act.

There is no 'counter'support in the same vein for any act of aggression against any civilian.

"

At this point you're just shouting lalala when I speak to avoid listening.

"The Prosecution was in respect of support for terrorist act"

In that case Tony Blair should be the 1st to be prosecuted. People supporting genocides such as our government providing bombs for genocide and the Labour Dictator who supports cutting food water electricity to 2.3 million people until they're all dead.

Those are the people who should be charged for terrorism. Not the ones protesting against terrorism.

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By *resesse_MelioremCouple 1 week ago

Border of London


"

At this point you're just shouting lalala when I speak to avoid listening.

"

That is, indeed, exactly what is going on here.

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By *verysmileMan 1 week ago

CANTERBURY


"

At this point you're just shouting lalala when I speak to avoid listening.

That is, indeed, exactly what is going on here."

Ironic isn't it. He states that any claims need to be proven by the claimant.

However, he refuses to apply the same standards to his own claims.

He claims that 1000's have been purged from Labour and the Tories for a pro Palestinian stance. Laughably incorrect.

He claims that the laws of this country were passed by zionists. Laughably incorrect.

Funny if it wasn't so pitiful.

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By *enSiskoMan 1 week ago

Cestus 3

I do not know about the facts being quoted neither do I need to know.

This is the first genocide to be broadcasted, every night one can turn on the T.V and watch many people being murdered.

I cannot think of a single reason that can allow this to continue.

Except for wealth and power the perception of power as long as we allow them to have it.

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By *resesse_MelioremCouple 1 week ago

Border of London

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By *resesse_MelioremCouple 1 week ago

Border of London


"

I do not know about the facts being quoted neither do I need to know.

"

Clearly.


"

This is the first genocide to be broadcasted, every night one can turn on the T.V and watch many people being murdered.

"

This is untrue on two counts.

It is not the first genocide to be broadcast. Saying this demonstrates how some people recognise evil only when it applies to one group. There has been a greater body count and actual intention to eradicate a people many times in living memory, but those are quickly forgotten and not acknowledged in statements such as these. Open your eyes to the other horrors in the world generally and the Middle East specifically.

It is not genocide.

You can call it unjust, illegal, evil, wrong, bloodthirsty - these are debatable points. But it isn't genocide. Or if it is, that is not currently being demonstrated by any test of what genocide actually is. Saying something many times doesn't make it true, unless you mean to change the definition of genocide.

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By *andE2000Man 1 week ago

Bathgate


"

At this point you're just shouting lalala when I speak to avoid listening.

That is, indeed, exactly what is going on here.

Ironic isn't it. He states that any claims need to be proven by the claimant.

However, he refuses to apply the same standards to his own claims.

He claims that 1000's have been purged from Labour and the Tories for a pro Palestinian stance. Laughably incorrect.

He claims that the laws of this country were passed by zionists. Laughably incorrect.

Funny if it wasn't so pitiful."

Prove your claims that what I say is incorrect. Apply your own childs rules to yourself

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By *andE2000Man 1 week ago

Bathgate


"

I do not know about the facts being quoted neither do I need to know.

Clearly.

This is the first genocide to be broadcasted, every night one can turn on the T.V and watch many people being murdered.

This is untrue on two counts.

It is not the first genocide to be broadcast. Saying this demonstrates how some people recognise evil only when it applies to one group. There has been a greater body count and actual intention to eradicate a people many times in living memory, but those are quickly forgotten and not acknowledged in statements such as these. Open your eyes to the other horrors in the world generally and the Middle East specifically.

It is not genocide.

You can call it unjust, illegal, evil, wrong, bloodthirsty - these are debatable points. But it isn't genocide. Or if it is, that is not currently being demonstrated by any test of what genocide actually is. Saying something many times doesn't make it true, unless you mean to change the definition of genocide."

I bet you're even rejoicing to the deaths of Muslim children

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By *otMe66Man 1 week ago

Terra Firma


"

I do not know about the facts being quoted neither do I need to know."

This is pretty much how it is today, I would give up at this point....

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By *resesse_MelioremCouple 1 week ago

Border of London


"

I

This is the first genocide to be broadcasted, every night one can turn on the T.V and watch many people being murdered.

This is untrue on two counts.

It is not the first genocide to be broadcast. Saying this demonstrates how some people recognise evil only when it applies to one group. There has been a greater body count and actual intention to eradicate a people many times in living memory, but those are quickly forgotten and not acknowledged in statements such as these. Open your eyes to the other horrors in the world generally and the Middle East specifically.

It is not genocide.

You can call it unjust, illegal, evil, wrong, bloodthirsty - these are debatable points. But it isn't genocide. Or if it is, that is not currently being demonstrated by any test of what genocide actually is. Saying something many times doesn't make it true, unless you mean to change the definition of genocide.

I bet you're even rejoicing to the deaths of Muslim children"

You bet, do you?

How does the celebration of the deaths of Muslim children follow? That's quite an accusation to make. The answer to that is certainly not, and further "bets" will not be dignified with a response.

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By *verysmileMan 1 week ago

CANTERBURY


"

At this point you're just shouting lalala when I speak to avoid listening.

That is, indeed, exactly what is going on here.

Ironic isn't it. He states that any claims need to be proven by the claimant.

However, he refuses to apply the same standards to his own claims.

He claims that 1000's have been purged from Labour and the Tories for a pro Palestinian stance. Laughably incorrect.

He claims that the laws of this country were passed by zionists. Laughably incorrect.

Funny if it wasn't so pitiful.

Prove your claims that what I say is incorrect. Apply your own childs rules to yourself"

Respectfully....you were the one who set these rules or have you forgotten that you stated that the onus of proof was for the claimant to prove the claims. It's written by you in this thread for all to see.

Your exact words were "Proof is the burden of the claimant".

It seems to be the only piece of common sense that you have said in here and where it doesn't suit, you want to discard it.

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By *andE2000Man 1 week ago

Bathgate


"

I

This is the first genocide to be broadcasted, every night one can turn on the T.V and watch many people being murdered.

This is untrue on two counts.

It is not the first genocide to be broadcast. Saying this demonstrates how some people recognise evil only when it applies to one group. There has been a greater body count and actual intention to eradicate a people many times in living memory, but those are quickly forgotten and not acknowledged in statements such as these. Open your eyes to the other horrors in the world generally and the Middle East specifically.

It is not genocide.

You can call it unjust, illegal, evil, wrong, bloodthirsty - these are debatable points. But it isn't genocide. Or if it is, that is not currently being demonstrated by any test of what genocide actually is. Saying something many times doesn't make it true, unless you mean to change the definition of genocide.

I bet you're even rejoicing to the deaths of Muslim children

You bet, do you?

How does the celebration of the deaths of Muslim children follow? That's quite an accusation to make. The answer to that is certainly not, and further "bets" will not be dignified with a response."

It's obvious to anyone who can read your positions on this conflict.

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By *0shadesOfFilthMan 1 week ago

nearby

For the 2.3 million inhabitants of the Gaza Strip, 29,000 people have been killed, over 60,000 injured, and 7,000 are missing under rubble, totaling over 90,000. 10,000 dead children and 17,000 Ophans.

85% of the population displaced from their homes and one in four are starving, according to the UN.

Silence from western allies including UK who are assiting the killing with weapons supplies and intelligence, as how to end the killing.

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By *resesse_MelioremCouple 1 week ago

Border of London


"For the 2.3 million inhabitants of the Gaza Strip, 29,000 people have been killed, over 60,000 injured, and 7,000 are missing under rubble, totaling over 90,000. 10,000 dead children and 17,000 Ophans.

85% of the population displaced from their homes and one in four are starving, according to the UN.

Silence from western allies including UK who are assiting the killing with weapons supplies and intelligence, as how to end the killing. "

It makes you wonder what kind of idiotic group starts a war with such an enemy, in such a gruesome manner as to spark this kind of backlash. When they double down on its legitimacy and say they would do it again, you really need to question the underlying ideology.

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By *wosmilersCouple 1 week ago

Heathrowish


"For the 2.3 million inhabitants of the Gaza Strip, 29,000 people have been killed, over 60,000 injured, and 7,000 are missing under rubble, totaling over 90,000. 10,000 dead children and 17,000 Ophans.

85% of the population displaced from their homes and one in four are starving, according to the UN.

Silence from western allies including UK who are assiting the killing with weapons supplies and intelligence, as how to end the killing.

It makes you wonder what kind of idiotic group starts a war with such an enemy, in such a gruesome manner as to spark this kind of backlash. When they double down on its legitimacy and say they would do it again, you really need to question the underlying ideology."

In their eyes, perhaps it was partly because they will look at the victims as martyrs (albeit for the vast majority, innocent and involuntary ones) and a price worth paying if they stand a chance of achieving any potential gain.

Or perhaps it was partly because they were led on that path by a larger regional player.

Or perhaps it was partly down to simple mutual hatred between the two opposing protagonists.

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By *otMe66Man 1 week ago

Terra Firma


"For the 2.3 million inhabitants of the Gaza Strip, 29,000 people have been killed, over 60,000 injured, and 7,000 are missing under rubble, totaling over 90,000. 10,000 dead children and 17,000 Ophans.

85% of the population displaced from their homes and one in four are starving, according to the UN.

Silence from western allies including UK who are assiting the killing with weapons supplies and intelligence, as how to end the killing.

It makes you wonder what kind of idiotic group starts a war with such an enemy, in such a gruesome manner as to spark this kind of backlash. When they double down on its legitimacy and say they would do it again, you really need to question the underlying ideology.

In their eyes, perhaps it was partly because they will look at the victims as martyrs (albeit for the vast majority, innocent and involuntary ones) and a price worth paying if they stand a chance of achieving any potential gain.

Or perhaps it was partly because they were led on that path by a larger regional player.

Or perhaps it was partly down to simple mutual hatred between the two opposing protagonists."

Iran has a lot to answer for

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By *andE2000Man 1 week ago

Bathgate


"For the 2.3 million inhabitants of the Gaza Strip, 29,000 people have been killed, over 60,000 injured, and 7,000 are missing under rubble, totaling over 90,000. 10,000 dead children and 17,000 Ophans.

85% of the population displaced from their homes and one in four are starving, according to the UN.

Silence from western allies including UK who are assiting the killing with weapons supplies and intelligence, as how to end the killing.

It makes you wonder what kind of idiotic group starts a war with such an enemy, in such a gruesome manner as to spark this kind of backlash. When they double down on its legitimacy and say they would do it again, you really need to question the underlying ideology."

So your logic is in a case of a big man with big muscles grapes a physically much weaker woman for decades, the moment she lashes out and dare to scratch him with her nails, she deserves whatever his gonna do next. Including mutilating her before exterminating her.

Only a racist psycho would use such logic to justify such crimes

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By *resesse_MelioremCouple 1 week ago

Border of London


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Only a racist psycho would use such logic to justify such crimes"

You see, your underlying premise is that October 7 was completely justified and not stupid (or if not stupid, then evil).

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By *andE2000Man 1 week ago

Bathgate


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Only a racist psycho would use such logic to justify such crimes

You see, your underlying premise is that October 7 was completely justified and not stupid (or if not stupid, then evil)."

Your underlying premise is the Palestinians, should accept their ethnic cleansing and perish in silence without the right to resist or fight back.

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By *verysmileMan 1 week ago

CANTERBURY


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Only a racist psycho would use such logic to justify such crimes

You see, your underlying premise is that October 7 was completely justified and not stupid (or if not stupid, then evil).

Your underlying premise is the Palestinians, should accept their ethnic cleansing and perish in silence without the right to resist or fight back. "

And your premise is therefore that 7th October was justified?

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By *andE2000Man 1 week ago

Bathgate

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By *andE2000Man 1 week ago

Bathgate


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Only a racist psycho would use such logic to justify such crimes

You see, your underlying premise is that October 7 was completely justified and not stupid (or if not stupid, then evil).

Your underlying premise is the Palestinians, should accept their ethnic cleansing and perish in silence without the right to resist or fight back.

And your premise is therefore that 7th October was justified?

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I will tell you in a country that has free speech

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By *verysmileMan 1 week ago

CANTERBURY


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Only a racist psycho would use such logic to justify such crimes

You see, your underlying premise is that October 7 was completely justified and not stupid (or if not stupid, then evil).

Your underlying premise is the Palestinians, should accept their ethnic cleansing and perish in silence without the right to resist or fight back.

And your premise is therefore that 7th October was justified?

I will tell you in a country that has free speech"

And from that, am I wrong to conclude that you won't answer because you want to support Hamas and their actions openly as well as throwing some antisemitism into your arguments (as you appear to have done in the past) and that you realise that by doing so, you may fall foul of the laws of this country as they stand.

Would it be right to conclude that you believe that all human lives are equal.....only you are content for Israeli civilians to be classed as subhuman when it comes to the 7th October?

Would you celebrate those specific actions if you were allowed to do so?

Or, like the rest of decent society, are you a proponent of the basic human right to life in that everyone have an equal right regardless?

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By *resesse_MelioremCouple 1 week ago

Border of London


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Your underlying premise is the Palestinians, should accept their ethnic cleansing and perish in silence without the right to resist or fight back. "

No. There are other possibilities between brutal terrorism and accepting "their ethnic cleansing and perish[ing] in silence". Ones that don't lead to a massive military retaliation. Perhaps your inability to see any but two extreme options should be a lesson to us here in the West as to the mentality that causes such trauma. If you, comfortable in Bathgate, are this radicalised, then one can only imagine the mentality of those in less fortunate places.

Your presence here on this forum is an eye opener, truly.

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