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The European Commission has proposed opening negotiations with the UK to allow free movement enjoyed before Brexit to millions of 18- to 30-year-olds in a major concession.
It said it would now seek approval from individual EU leaders to start the talks, which could partly eliminate one of the most controversial elements of Brexit, a block on the right to live in each other’s countries visa-free
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"The European Commission has proposed opening negotiations with the UK to allow free movement enjoyed before Brexit to millions of 18- to 30-year-olds in a major concession.
It said it would now seek approval from individual EU leaders to start the talks, which could partly eliminate one of the most controversial elements of Brexit, a block on the right to live in each other’s countries visa-free
Progress in the right direction? "
I don't believe we should have ever left the EU.
But I don't think that allowing free movement for a certain age group is progress. What about more mature groups who are much more likely to own property abroad, surely they would benefit greatly from free movement.
It's either for everyone or none as it wouldn't be fair otherwise.
We should just have another referendum, that would solve it but don't think our European cousins would have us back right now.
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Free movement is a good idea, I don’t understand why anyone would want to come to the U.K.
I wouldn’t say freedom to move around and work was a step in the right direction. I know it’s more of a long term plan than a short term fix but I think as a country, we would all benefit from training the youth of today to do the jobs of tomorrow, rather then just import someone. |
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By *atEvolutionCouple 7 weeks ago
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Italy too . . .
Italy is looking for Brits to move there and work from home for a year
These include:
A college or university degree from an accredited institution.
At least six months of experience in the industry where they plan to work remotely.
A work contract and a salary of €28,000 (£24,000)
No particular immigration offences committed within the last five years.
Evidence of a place to stay in Italy
Health Insurance
The scheme is Italy’s latest bid to encourage growth amid an ageing population. |
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"Free movement is a good idea, I don’t understand why anyone would want to come to the U.K.
I wouldn’t say freedom to move around and work was a step in the right direction. I know it’s more of a long term plan than a short term fix but I think as a country, we would all benefit from training the youth of today to do the jobs of tomorrow, rather then just import someone."
Unfortunately people are quite literally dying to get to the UK all to frequently |
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"The European Commission has proposed opening negotiations with the UK to allow free movement enjoyed before Brexit to millions of 18- to 30-year-olds in a major concession.
It said it would now seek approval from individual EU leaders to start the talks, which could partly eliminate one of the most controversial elements of Brexit, a block on the right to live in each other’s countries visa-free
Progress in the right direction? "
Yup. But it should not be age limited, nor restricted by job offer or not.
Essentially, anyone should be able to move to any country of choice, without restriction or impediment. |
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"The European Commission has proposed opening negotiations with the UK to allow free movement enjoyed before Brexit to millions of 18- to 30-year-olds in a major concession.
It said it would now seek approval from individual EU leaders to start the talks, which could partly eliminate one of the most controversial elements of Brexit, a block on the right to live in each other’s countries visa-free
Progress in the right direction? "
If I understand the BBC report correctly then the government have said they prefer agreements with individual countries like they already operate rather than with the bloc as a whole. Also Labour pledged no return to free movement when it takes office though U turns are a speciality in governments |
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I don't think what's being discussed is the return of the EU free movement legal rights but options becoming open to support limited access. In any event, some members may block or change the idea.
It's great that we are looking to establish more cooperative ties, rather than the harmful, come what may, tones that we'd fostered. |
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"Age criteria would likely face a legal challenge and be judged discriminatory."
I mean i hate that i am outside the bracket, but there seems to be plenty of precedent. Lots of countries have visas specific to age groups |
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The universities have paid a price from ending FOM
The 2021–22 academic year saw a 53% fall in the number of first-year EU students enrolling at British universities. Brexit and immigration policies are shaping who studies and works at UK universities, according to data released by the Higher Education Statistics Agency (HESA) on 19 January.26 Jan 2023
Hopefully Labour will get the ball rolling, but Starmer is on record that the ‘UK’s future is outside the EU’ |
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"Age criteria would likely face a legal challenge and be judged discriminatory.
I mean i hate that i am outside the bracket, but there seems to be plenty of precedent. Lots of countries have visas specific to age groups "
The UK with Australia and New Zealand are examples of this  |
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The brits turned down continued participation in the erasmus scheme and will now be jumping on the bandwagon when they have seen the negative consequences if their actions. The govt probably proposed it but asked the EU to launch it. A coy enough move to win votes or at least keep some of the voters they may still gave. |
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By *otMe66Man 7 weeks ago
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"The universities have paid a price from ending FOM
The 2021–22 academic year saw a 53% fall in the number of first-year EU students enrolling at British universities. Brexit and immigration policies are shaping who studies and works at UK universities, according to data released by the Higher Education Statistics Agency (HESA) on 19 January.26 Jan 2023
Hopefully Labour will get the ball rolling, but Starmer is on record that the ‘UK’s future is outside the EU’"
Surely such a huge drop at this point in time will be mostly pandemic related? |
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"The brits turned down continued participation in the erasmus scheme and will now be jumping on the bandwagon when they have seen the negative consequences if their actions. The govt probably proposed it but asked the EU to launch it. A coy enough move to win votes or at least keep some of the voters they may still gave. "
According to the BBC the government are not in favour of it, preferring the current country by country approach as opposed to the bloc as a whole. It seems this has originated from the EU though we may never know. Odd though given that they used to say you can't cherry pick different things |
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"Age criteria would likely face a legal challenge and be judged discriminatory.
I mean i hate that i am outside the bracket, but there seems to be plenty of precedent. Lots of countries have visas specific to age groups
The UK with Australia and New Zealand are examples of this "
True but the EU has the ECHU which will determine if human rights are being violated on age grounds. |
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"Sounds like a great idea. It’s a real shame young people, who voted by a huge margin to remain, had the right to live and work in Europe taken from them."
Do you not think it will be the young people that will be affected when lots come hear and housing prices clim even higher. |
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By *deepdiveMan 7 weeks ago
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An excellent initiative.
A four year visa for 18 to 30 year olds with assurances that those travelling are financially viable to be able to pay their way as well as being covered by a health care scheme paid for by their parent country.
This provides opportunities for youngsters to experience different cultures and approaches and is a two way deal.
Anyone who thinks otherwise surely doesn't fully understand what is being proposed. |
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"Sounds like a great idea. It’s a real shame young people, who voted by a huge margin to remain, had the right to live and work in Europe taken from them.
Do you not think it will be the young people that will be affected when lots come hear and housing prices clim even higher."
Given it’s a mobility scheme for 18-30s to study and work abroad temporarily it’s unlikely that you’ll get many foreign youngsters buying houses over here. It’s an excellent opportunity for British youngsters to get experience of living in different cultures and experience what is out there, rather than being stuck on an island where the older people seem intent on recreating the 1950s.
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By *otMe66Man 7 weeks ago
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"Sounds like a great idea. It’s a real shame young people, who voted by a huge margin to remain, had the right to live and work in Europe taken from them.
Do you not think it will be the young people that will be affected when lots come hear and housing prices clim even higher.
Given it’s a mobility scheme for 18-30s to study and work abroad temporarily it’s unlikely that you’ll get many foreign youngsters buying houses over here. It’s an excellent opportunity for British youngsters to get experience of living in different cultures and experience what is out there, rather than being stuck on an island where the older people seem intent on recreating the 1950s.
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our younger generations aren’t allowed a passport, or travel, what has happened? Did I wake up under new rules?
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"Sounds like a great idea. It’s a real shame young people, who voted by a huge margin to remain, had the right to live and work in Europe taken from them."
Interestingly UK citizens in the EU have always been much more likely to be older or retired than the average UK population. Everyone talks about “young people” living in the EU but that’s actually relatively rare - our “young people” don’t, and never really have, lived in Europe. If you were to randomly select a UK citizen living in Europe then you would disproportionately pick a retiree living in Spain. |
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"The brits turned down continued participation in the erasmus scheme and will now be jumping on the bandwagon when they have seen the negative consequences if their actions. The govt probably proposed it but asked the EU to launch it. A coy enough move to win votes or at least keep some of the voters they may still gave.
According to the BBC the government are not in favour of it, preferring the current country by country approach as opposed to the bloc as a whole. It seems this has originated from the EU though we may never know. Odd though given that they used to say you can't cherry pick different things"
Waiting for Labour to comment, as current government are wearing dead man’s shoes
Sir Keir Starmer has said he would argue for the reintroduction of EU free movement after Brexit, if he becomes Labour’s next leader. |
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"The universities have paid a price from ending FOM
The 2021–22 academic year saw a 53% fall in the number of first-year EU students enrolling at British universities. Brexit and immigration policies are shaping who studies and works at UK universities, according to data released by the Higher Education Statistics Agency (HESA) on 19 January.26 Jan 2023"
On the contrary, the universities are doing well out of it.
When we were in the EU, students from the EU were considered 'local' and therefore the universities could only charge them £9,000 a year. Now that we have left, universities can class EU students as 'international', and can charge them much more money.
Yes, they are only seeing about half the number of EU students, but they get to charge 3 times more, so they're quite happy with the new arrangements. |
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"The universities have paid a price from ending FOM
The 2021–22 academic year saw a 53% fall in the number of first-year EU students enrolling at British universities. Brexit and immigration policies are shaping who studies and works at UK universities, according to data released by the Higher Education Statistics Agency (HESA) on 19 January.26 Jan 2023
On the contrary, the universities are doing well out of it.
When we were in the EU, students from the EU were considered 'local' and therefore the universities could only charge them £9,000 a year. Now that we have left, universities can class EU students as 'international', and can charge them much more money.
Yes, they are only seeing about half the number of EU students, but they get to charge 3 times more, so they're quite happy with the new arrangements."
Which also, presumably, results in a lower pupil to teacher ratio, so delivering a better service to the students. |
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"The universities have paid a price from ending FOM
The 2021–22 academic year saw a 53% fall in the number of first-year EU students enrolling at British universities. Brexit and immigration policies are shaping who studies and works at UK universities, according to data released by the Higher Education Statistics Agency (HESA) on 19 January.26 Jan 2023
On the contrary, the universities are doing well out of it.
When we were in the EU, students from the EU were considered 'local' and therefore the universities could only charge them £9,000 a year. Now that we have left, universities can class EU students as 'international', and can charge them much more money.
Yes, they are only seeing about half the number of EU students, but they get to charge 3 times more, so they're quite happy with the new arrangements."
“But the impact of Brexit is deepest at undergraduate level, with just 13,155 EU students enrolling in 2021 for the first year of a primary degree compared with 37,530 the year before, according to official data.
Universities say the loss of undergraduates removes diversity from the classroom and weakens the finances of colleges who could rely on EU students being in college for three or four-year courses – unlike many of the new international students who are coming for one-year postgraduate courses.
The loss of students at postgraduate level is a significant blow as it acted as a pipeline to the science sector, with students a vital part of Horizon and other cutting-edge developments in fields such as medical research and astronomy.“
Apparently they aren’t. |
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"The universities have paid a price from ending FOM
The 2021–22 academic year saw a 53% fall in the number of first-year EU students enrolling at British universities. Brexit and immigration policies are shaping who studies and works at UK universities, according to data released by the Higher Education Statistics Agency (HESA) on 19 January.26 Jan 2023
On the contrary, the universities are doing well out of it.
When we were in the EU, students from the EU were considered 'local' and therefore the universities could only charge them £9,000 a year. Now that we have left, universities can class EU students as 'international', and can charge them much more money.
Yes, they are only seeing about half the number of EU students, but they get to charge 3 times more, so they're quite happy with the new arrangements.
Which also, presumably, results in a lower pupil to teacher ratio, so delivering a better service to the students. "
Did you go to university? |
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"The brits turned down continued participation in the erasmus scheme and will now be jumping on the bandwagon when they have seen the negative consequences if their actions. The govt probably proposed it but asked the EU to launch it. A coy enough move to win votes or at least keep some of the voters they may still gave.
According to the BBC the government are not in favour of it, preferring the current country by country approach as opposed to the bloc as a whole. It seems this has originated from the EU though we may never know. Odd though given that they used to say you can't cherry pick different things
Waiting for Labour to comment, as current government are wearing dead man’s shoes
Sir Keir Starmer has said he would argue for the reintroduction of EU free movement after Brexit, if he becomes Labour’s next leader."
Yes, some are saying its an olive branch to the incoming Labour government. I'm sure I have seen elsewhere that SKS has pledged no return to the EU, the single market, customs union or free movement. If he goes for this he may get accused of backsliding on pledges and trying to return to the EU bit by bit |
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"The brits turned down continued participation in the erasmus scheme and will now be jumping on the bandwagon when they have seen the negative consequences if their actions. The govt probably proposed it but asked the EU to launch it. A coy enough move to win votes or at least keep some of the voters they may still gave.
According to the BBC the government are not in favour of it, preferring the current country by country approach as opposed to the bloc as a whole. It seems this has originated from the EU though we may never know. Odd though given that they used to say you can't cherry pick different things
Waiting for Labour to comment, as current government are wearing dead man’s shoes
Sir Keir Starmer has said he would argue for the reintroduction of EU free movement after Brexit, if he becomes Labour’s next leader.
Yes, some are saying its an olive branch to the incoming Labour government. I'm sure I have seen elsewhere that SKS has pledged no return to the EU, the single market, customs union or free movement. If he goes for this he may get accused of backsliding on pledges and trying to return to the EU bit by bit"
The Brexit Referendum was on 23 June 2016.
SKS may have pledged to not return to the EU, but if enough voters in the party wish Labour to recalibrate, then they will either lose members or reflect the members desires. That's how politics works. Nothing wrong with that.
I don't expect a vote for a thing to be in perpetuity. No one votes for immutability. That's unrealistic because societies change, situations change, global politics changes. Everything changes.
Can you imagine, voting on a policy now that may not serve the needs of your grandchildren down the line ? Or even your own needs in 4 years time ? So it's really not a big deal when parties change their direction. What is a big deal is if they don't tell you, which to my knowledge never happens. You are voting for a thing at that moment in time. It may not always be that way come the next election, and then you can change your own direction if desired.
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"The brits turned down continued participation in the erasmus scheme and will now be jumping on the bandwagon when they have seen the negative consequences if their actions. The govt probably proposed it but asked the EU to launch it. A coy enough move to win votes or at least keep some of the voters they may still gave.
According to the BBC the government are not in favour of it, preferring the current country by country approach as opposed to the bloc as a whole. It seems this has originated from the EU though we may never know. Odd though given that they used to say you can't cherry pick different things
Waiting for Labour to comment, as current government are wearing dead man’s shoes
Sir Keir Starmer has said he would argue for the reintroduction of EU free movement after Brexit, if he becomes Labour’s next leader.
Yes, some are saying its an olive branch to the incoming Labour government. I'm sure I have seen elsewhere that SKS has pledged no return to the EU, the single market, customs union or free movement. If he goes for this he may get accused of backsliding on pledges and trying to return to the EU bit by bit
The Brexit Referendum was on 23 June 2016.
SKS may have pledged to not return to the EU, but if enough voters in the party wish Labour to recalibrate, then they will either lose members or reflect the members desires. That's how politics works. Nothing wrong with that.
I don't expect a vote for a thing to be in perpetuity. No one votes for immutability. That's unrealistic because societies change, situations change, global politics changes. Everything changes.
Can you imagine, voting on a policy now that may not serve the needs of your grandchildren down the line ? Or even your own needs in 4 years time ? So it's really not a big deal when parties change their direction. What is a big deal is if they don't tell you, which to my knowledge never happens. You are voting for a thing at that moment in time. It may not always be that way come the next election, and then you can change your own direction if desired.
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I might be wrong but think the pledge to not go back into the EU, customs union, single market and freedom of movement was much more recent than 2016. If it's in the Labour manifesto I would consider it a pledge and that people have the right to be annoyed if he breaks it. |
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"The brits turned down continued participation in the erasmus scheme and will now be jumping on the bandwagon when they have seen the negative consequences if their actions. The govt probably proposed it but asked the EU to launch it. A coy enough move to win votes or at least keep some of the voters they may still gave.
According to the BBC the government are not in favour of it, preferring the current country by country approach as opposed to the bloc as a whole. It seems this has originated from the EU though we may never know. Odd though given that they used to say you can't cherry pick different things
Waiting for Labour to comment, as current government are wearing dead man’s shoes
Sir Keir Starmer has said he would argue for the reintroduction of EU free movement after Brexit, if he becomes Labour’s next leader.
Yes, some are saying its an olive branch to the incoming Labour government. I'm sure I have seen elsewhere that SKS has pledged no return to the EU, the single market, customs union or free movement. If he goes for this he may get accused of backsliding on pledges and trying to return to the EU bit by bit
The Brexit Referendum was on 23 June 2016.
SKS may have pledged to not return to the EU, but if enough voters in the party wish Labour to recalibrate, then they will either lose members or reflect the members desires. That's how politics works. Nothing wrong with that.
I don't expect a vote for a thing to be in perpetuity. No one votes for immutability. That's unrealistic because societies change, situations change, global politics changes. Everything changes.
Can you imagine, voting on a policy now that may not serve the needs of your grandchildren down the line ? Or even your own needs in 4 years time ? So it's really not a big deal when parties change their direction. What is a big deal is if they don't tell you, which to my knowledge never happens. You are voting for a thing at that moment in time. It may not always be that way come the next election, and then you can change your own direction if desired.
I might be wrong but think the pledge to not go back into the EU, customs union, single market and freedom of movement was much more recent than 2016. If it's in the Labour manifesto I would consider it a pledge and that people have the right to be annoyed if he breaks it."
You put things you are going to do in your manifesto, not things you aren’t going to do. |
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"The brits turned down continued participation in the erasmus scheme and will now be jumping on the bandwagon when they have seen the negative consequences if their actions. The govt probably proposed it but asked the EU to launch it. A coy enough move to win votes or at least keep some of the voters they may still gave.
According to the BBC the government are not in favour of it, preferring the current country by country approach as opposed to the bloc as a whole. It seems this has originated from the EU though we may never know. Odd though given that they used to say you can't cherry pick different things
Waiting for Labour to comment, as current government are wearing dead man’s shoes
Sir Keir Starmer has said he would argue for the reintroduction of EU free movement after Brexit, if he becomes Labour’s next leader.
Yes, some are saying its an olive branch to the incoming Labour government. I'm sure I have seen elsewhere that SKS has pledged no return to the EU, the single market, customs union or free movement. If he goes for this he may get accused of backsliding on pledges and trying to return to the EU bit by bit
The Brexit Referendum was on 23 June 2016.
SKS may have pledged to not return to the EU, but if enough voters in the party wish Labour to recalibrate, then they will either lose members or reflect the members desires. That's how politics works. Nothing wrong with that.
I don't expect a vote for a thing to be in perpetuity. No one votes for immutability. That's unrealistic because societies change, situations change, global politics changes. Everything changes.
Can you imagine, voting on a policy now that may not serve the needs of your grandchildren down the line ? Or even your own needs in 4 years time ? So it's really not a big deal when parties change their direction. What is a big deal is if they don't tell you, which to my knowledge never happens. You are voting for a thing at that moment in time. It may not always be that way come the next election, and then you can change your own direction if desired.
I might be wrong but think the pledge to not go back into the EU, customs union, single market and freedom of movement was much more recent than 2016. If it's in the Labour manifesto I would consider it a pledge and that people have the right to be annoyed if he breaks it.
You put things you are going to do in your manifesto, not things you aren’t going to do."
That does sound fair but not sure it's impossible to put such a thing in their manifesto. I also suspect in the lead up to the election they will be asked several times that very question |
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