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By *otMe66Man 1 week ago
Terra Firma |
"Remember this crap told at Brexit? Controlling borders and immigrant numbers found to be higher than reported. Another Brexit bonus. What a laugh.
Control of nothing. Brexit = a mess"
Do you know if numbers would have been higher or lower if we had not left the EU? |
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By *oo hotCouple 1 week ago
North West |
"Remember this crap told at Brexit? Controlling borders and immigrant numbers found to be higher than reported. Another Brexit bonus. What a laugh.
Control of nothing. Brexit = a mess
Do you know if numbers would have been higher or lower if we had not left the EU?"
We know that as members of the EU we had the right to return people. Now, we don’t. |
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By *otMe66Man 1 week ago
Terra Firma |
"Remember this crap told at Brexit? Controlling borders and immigrant numbers found to be higher than reported. Another Brexit bonus. What a laugh.
Control of nothing. Brexit = a mess
Do you know if numbers would have been higher or lower if we had not left the EU?
We know that as members of the EU we had the right to return people. Now, we don’t."
That is not an answer to the question |
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By *ermbi OP Man 1 week ago
Ballyshannon |
"Remember this crap told at Brexit? Controlling borders and immigrant numbers found to be higher than reported. Another Brexit bonus. What a laugh.
Control of nothing. Brexit = a mess
Do you know if numbers would have been higher or lower if we had not left the EU?"
Listening to someone in the last Conservative govt they said numbers were higher also pre brexit |
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"Remember this crap told at Brexit? Controlling borders and immigrant numbers found to be higher than reported. Another Brexit bonus. What a laugh.
Control of nothing. Brexit = a mess
Do you know if numbers would have been higher or lower if we had not left the EU?
We know that as members of the EU we had the right to return people. Now, we don’t."
Then why didn't we? Theoretical EU 'rights' are not much use. |
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"We know that as members of the EU we had the right to return people. Now, we don’t."
"Then why didn't we?"
We did.
Under the Dublin agreement we had the right to return an illegal immigrant if they had previously applied in another EU country. That only worked if we could prove someone's identity, and the other EU country hadn't 'forgotten' to add them to the list. |
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"We know that as members of the EU we had the right to return people. Now, we don’t.
Then why didn't we?
We did.
Under the Dublin agreement we had the right to return an illegal immigrant if they had previously applied in another EU country. That only worked if we could prove someone's identity, and the other EU country hadn't 'forgotten' to add them to the list. "
Well yes, but the number of returnees was insignificant. As you allude, our esteemed EU neighbours failed to co-operate above a minimum level. So others saying Brexit is a factor is a bit disingenuous. |
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By *ackal1Couple 1 week ago
Manchester |
All the noise from Farage at the beaches shouting stop the boats. Rishi committing billions to stop them.
Turns out the boats are 3% of the net migration so in effect will be 1.5-2% of total immigration.
What a load of distractive bullshit.
98% of immigration is via the airports.
It’s time we had an open grown up view of who we want to be here whether it’s labourers or scientists etc and stopped the rampant nonsense spouted from all sides.
We benefit from immigrants if they contribute so set up a system that reflects that benefit. Process those who want to work and get them working.
Provide safe controlled routes for the boats but also address the uncontrolled numbers coming through the airports.
Stop immigration being divisive and make it a tool for the country’s good. |
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"Since Brexit I’ve lost count of all these amazing wins…. 
This one is right up there with the now having blue passports.
I like my blue passport. "
It gives you access to longer queues. It's amazing.
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"Remember this crap told at Brexit? Controlling borders and immigrant numbers found to be higher than reported. Another Brexit bonus. What a laugh.
Control of nothing. Brexit = a mess"
brexit asnt been implemented by either goverment tho |
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"Remember this crap told at Brexit? Controlling borders and immigrant numbers found to be higher than reported. Another Brexit bonus. What a laugh.
Control of nothing. Brexit = a messbrexit asnt been implemented by either goverment tho"
We've definitely left the EU. Brexit has been implemented.
Just turns out all the stuff they promised, was actually a huge pack of lies. If only this has been pointed out before. Oh well. |
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"All the noise from Farage at the beaches shouting stop the boats. Rishi committing billions to stop them.
Turns out the boats are 3% of the net migration so in effect will be 1.5-2% of total immigration.
What a load of distractive bullshit.
98% of immigration is via the airports.
It’s time we had an open grown up view of who we want to be here whether it’s labourers or scientists etc and stopped the rampant nonsense spouted from all sides.
We benefit from immigrants if they contribute so set up a system that reflects that benefit. Process those who want to work and get them working.
Provide safe controlled routes for the boats but also address the uncontrolled numbers coming through the airports.
Stop immigration being divisive and make it a tool for the country’s good. "
I am amazed how many people do not know the fact you have stated, it scares me in fact that so many blindly follow what they know is crap I refer to MSM, and they must know it is crap scary.
Immigration is permission to make money, give a multi million pound contract, increase the amount of money given to said contractors, skim the interest off the topped share it with their mates.
Do not believe me check out an old company on wikipedia called A4E. |
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"Remember this crap told at Brexit? Controlling borders and immigrant numbers found to be higher than reported. Another Brexit bonus. What a laugh.
Control of nothing. Brexit = a messbrexit asnt been implemented by either goverment tho"
There is nothing to implement as Brexit was and is a lie sold to us all. |
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"Remember this crap told at Brexit? Controlling borders and immigrant numbers found to be higher than reported. Another Brexit bonus. What a laugh.
Control of nothing. Brexit = a messbrexit asnt been implemented by either goverment tho
There is nothing to implement as Brexit was and is a lie sold to us all."
I think controlling our borders was the promise that’s been broken if you can’t see that pointless talking |
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"Remember this crap told at Brexit? Controlling borders and immigrant numbers found to be higher than reported. Another Brexit bonus. What a laugh.
Control of nothing. Brexit = a messbrexit asnt been implemented by either goverment tho
There is nothing to implement as Brexit was and is a lie sold to us all.I think controlling our borders was the promise that’s been broken if you can’t see that pointless talking "
I can see that which is why I say they have implemented nothing, and you have backed me up by writing immigration has failed our boarders are not secure, so it is a failing at least, but I say it is a lie. |
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"Remember this crap told at Brexit? Controlling borders and immigrant numbers found to be higher than reported. Another Brexit bonus. What a laugh.
Control of nothing. Brexit = a messbrexit asnt been implemented by either goverment tho
There is nothing to implement as Brexit was and is a lie sold to us all.I think controlling our borders was the promise that’s been broken if you can’t see that pointless talking "
That was just one of the many Brexit promises broken.
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"Remember this crap told at Brexit? Controlling borders and immigrant numbers found to be higher than reported. Another Brexit bonus. What a laugh.
Control of nothing. Brexit = a messbrexit asnt been implemented by either goverment tho
There is nothing to implement as Brexit was and is a lie sold to us all.I think controlling our borders was the promise that’s been broken if you can’t see that pointless talking
That was just one of the many Brexit promises broken.
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agree and it’s the biggest promise broken |
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These are the facts
Overwhelming majority Indian, Nigerian or Chinese
Arriving to study or for work
So... should the colleges refuse foreign students and forefo that income
Should jobs go unfilled resulting in worse services for British citizens?
You can't have your cake and eat it folks!
Origins of Immigrants:
The majority of immigrants were non-EU nationals, with significant numbers from:
• India: Approximately 250,000 individuals.
• Nigeria: Around 141,000 individuals.
• China: About 90,000 individuals.
• Pakistan: Roughly 83,000 individuals.
• Zimbabwe: Approximately 36,000 individuals.

Reasons for Immigration:
The primary reasons for immigration included:
• Work Opportunities: Many migrants arrived for employment, particularly in sectors like health and social care.
• Education: A significant number of international students came to study in the UK.
• Family Reunification: Some migrants joined family members already residing in the UK. |
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These are the facts
Overwhelming majority Indian, Nigerian or Chinese
Arriving to study or for work
So... should the colleges refuse foreign students and forefo that income
Should jobs go unfilled resulting in worse services for British citizens?
You can't have your cake and eat it folks!
Origins of Immigrants:
The majority of immigrants were non-EU nationals, with significant numbers from:
• India: Approximately 250,000 individuals.
• Nigeria: Around 141,000 individuals.
• China: About 90,000 individuals.
• Pakistan: Roughly 83,000 individuals.
• Zimbabwe: Approximately 36,000 individuals.

Reasons for Immigration:
The primary reasons for immigration included:
• Work Opportunities: Many migrants arrived for employment, particularly in sectors like health and social care.
• Education: A significant number of international students came to study in the UK.
• Family Reunification: Some migrants joined family members already residing in the UK."
This is fact and on Gov.com
I do not know about others but the info is there to see and we still get complete rubbish regarding immigration which causes untold trouble, and thoughts which are insane.
It shows a lack of education if one cannot look for themselves. |
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"Remember this crap told at Brexit? Controlling borders and immigrant numbers found to be higher than reported. Another Brexit bonus. What a laugh.
Control of nothing. Brexit = a messbrexit asnt been implemented by either goverment tho"
It has..
The problem for several sectors of the economy is that in it's current 'oven ready' format it's detrimental so it needs sorting out ..
Which was always going to be the case given it was less about pragmatism and what was the best deal and more about let's stuff it up em bloody foreigners regardless of the actual details therein.. |
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By *lan157Man 1 week ago
a village near Haywards Heath in East Sussex |
"All the noise from Farage at the beaches shouting stop the boats. Rishi committing billions to stop them.
Turns out the boats are 3% of the net migration so in effect will be 1.5-2% of total immigration.
What a load of distractive bullshit.
98% of immigration is via the airports.
It’s time we had an open grown up view of who we want to be here whether it’s labourers or scientists etc and stopped the rampant nonsense spouted from all sides.
We benefit from immigrants if they contribute so set up a system that reflects that benefit. Process those who want to work and get them working.
Provide safe controlled routes for the boats but also address the uncontrolled numbers coming through the airports.
Stop immigration being divisive and make it a tool for the country’s good. "
If they are coming through the airports then everyone doing so must have valid visas so to reduce net migration then SKS needs to get a grip on visa regulations or get more UK nationals to emigrate .. |
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"Remember this crap told at Brexit? Controlling borders and immigrant numbers found to be higher than reported. Another Brexit bonus. What a laugh.
Control of nothing. Brexit = a messbrexit asnt been implemented by either goverment tho
It has..
The problem for several sectors of the economy is that in it's current 'oven ready' format it's detrimental so it needs sorting out ..
Which was always going to be the case given it was less about pragmatism and what was the best deal and more about let's stuff it up em bloody foreigners regardless of the actual details therein.."
the fact you say it was more about stuff it up the foreigners is the problem yr still in denial even discussing control of borders leads to this admit it be a man you think ppl who voted leave are racist |
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the fact is that the country brexited from europe 4 years ago and at that point it was the at it's apogee. from then on we are in an ever closer trajectory to union with europe, culminating in a referendum in aproximately 2036 when that 'once in a generation' soundbite has been exceeded .... the outcome of that is anybody's guess, but gen Z and gen Alpha will have the majority say in it. |
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"the fact is that the country brexited from europe 4 years ago and at that point it was the at it's apogee. from then on we are in an ever closer trajectory to union with europe, culminating in a referendum in aproximately 2036 when that 'once in a generation' soundbite has been exceeded .... the outcome of that is anybody's guess, but gen Z and gen Alpha will have the majority say in it."
predicting a referendum in 2036 just is not a fact it’s a predictable or hope but not a fact
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"the fact is that the country brexited from europe 4 years ago and at that point it was the at it's apogee. from then on we are in an ever closer trajectory to union with europe, culminating in a referendum in aproximately 2036 when that 'once in a generation' soundbite has been exceeded .... the outcome of that is anybody's guess, but gen Z and gen Alpha will have the majority say in it.predicting a referendum in 2036 just is not a fact it’s a predictable or hope but not a fact "
i din't say it was a fact. i said that jan 2021 being the apogee was a fact. |
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So make a choice then
Accept immigration
Or
Face reduced services because immigrants are blocked from filling a labour shortage and colleges (and by extension the Treasury) loosing millions because foreign students are disqualified
Simple really
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If they are coming through the airports then everyone doing so must have valid visas so to reduce net migration then SKS needs to get a grip on visa regulations or get more UK nationals to emigrate .. "
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By *lan157Man 1 week ago
a village near Haywards Heath in East Sussex |
"So make a choice then
Accept immigration
Or
Face reduced services because immigrants are blocked from filling a labour shortage and colleges (and by extension the Treasury) loosing millions because foreign students are disqualified
Simple really
If they are coming through the airports then everyone doing so must have valid visas so to reduce net migration then SKS needs to get a grip on visa regulations or get more UK nationals to emigrate .. "
It's not me that has to make a choice . I am just pointing out the rather obvious point that if net migration is perceived as being to high then entry requirements need to be a higher hurdle. |
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"Remember this crap told at Brexit? Controlling borders and immigrant numbers found to be higher than reported. Another Brexit bonus. What a laugh.
Control of nothing. Brexit = a messbrexit asnt been implemented by either goverment tho
It has..
The problem for several sectors of the economy is that in it's current 'oven ready' format it's detrimental so it needs sorting out ..
Which was always going to be the case given it was less about pragmatism and what was the best deal and more about let's stuff it up em bloody foreigners regardless of the actual details therein..the fact you say it was more about stuff it up the foreigners is the problem yr still in denial even discussing control of borders leads to this admit it be a man you think ppl who voted leave are racist "
Foxy I don't need your validation or not to 'be a man's cheers .
No I don't think that at all, I've never said anything even close during the many passionate debates on here before and after the referendum..
people who are racists voted on both sides, farage and co deliberately used imagery very close funny enough to what Goebbels did as part of their campaign based purely upon fear of the immigrant..
It's a tired old trope that for some might have swayed their vote ..
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"Remember this crap told at Brexit? Controlling borders and immigrant numbers found to be higher than reported. Another Brexit bonus. What a laugh.
Control of nothing. Brexit = a messbrexit asnt been implemented by either goverment tho
It has..
The problem for several sectors of the economy is that in it's current 'oven ready' format it's detrimental so it needs sorting out ..
Which was always going to be the case given it was less about pragmatism and what was the best deal and more about let's stuff it up em bloody foreigners regardless of the actual details therein..the fact you say it was more about stuff it up the foreigners is the problem yr still in denial even discussing control of borders leads to this admit it be a man you think ppl who voted leave are racist
Foxy I don't need your validation or not to 'be a man's cheers .
No I don't think that at all, I've never said anything even close during the many passionate debates on here before and after the referendum..
people who are racists voted on both sides, farage and co deliberately used imagery very close funny enough to what Goebbels did as part of their campaign based purely upon fear of the immigrant..
It's a tired old trope that for some might have swayed their vote ..
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was a reference to yr post on it was about stuff it to the bloody foreigners part ? |
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"Remember this crap told at Brexit? Controlling borders and immigrant numbers found to be higher than reported. Another Brexit bonus. What a laugh.
Control of nothing. Brexit = a messbrexit asnt been implemented by either goverment tho
It has..
The problem for several sectors of the economy is that in it's current 'oven ready' format it's detrimental so it needs sorting out ..
Which was always going to be the case given it was less about pragmatism and what was the best deal and more about let's stuff it up em bloody foreigners regardless of the actual details therein..the fact you say it was more about stuff it up the foreigners is the problem yr still in denial even discussing control of borders leads to this admit it be a man you think ppl who voted leave are racist
Foxy I don't need your validation or not to 'be a man's cheers .
No I don't think that at all, I've never said anything even close during the many passionate debates on here before and after the referendum..
people who are racists voted on both sides, farage and co deliberately used imagery very close funny enough to what Goebbels did as part of their campaign based purely upon fear of the immigrant..
It's a tired old trope that for some might have swayed their vote ..
was a reference to yr post on it was about stuff it to the bloody foreigners part ?"
Because literally that was and still is the attitude of some who proposed and orchestrated the leaves campaign..
The language used and by some on here then and now might not use that term to the letter but the emphasis is solely that..
A more pragmatic person would have not allowed the cull of decent Tory MPs and Ministers in the run up to the 2019 'get Brexit done' general election but that's what happened and they and everyone else paying for it have paid a price which might have been lessened by having adults at the helm..
No doubt sunny uplands are just over the horizon.. |
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"We know that as members of the EU we had the right to return people. Now, we don’t.
Then why didn't we?
We did.
Under the Dublin agreement we had the right to return an illegal immigrant if they had previously applied in another EU country. That only worked if we could prove someone's identity, and the other EU country hadn't 'forgotten' to add them to the list.
Well yes, but the number of returnees was insignificant. As you allude, our esteemed EU neighbours failed to co-operate above a minimum level. So others saying Brexit is a factor is a bit disingenuous. "
Noir only was the amount returned small but in the final years of the scheme more were sent to the UK from EU countries than the UK sent back. As others say it was a 2 way street |
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Two posters have provided the facts boat people are under representative of the overall picture, but like good M.P's this has been ignored for an agenda which is not the true issue.
Which is Leagle immigration, wonder why? |
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"Since Brexit I’ve lost count of all these amazing wins….
This one is right up there with the now having blue passports."
.. and those oversized UK car stickers designed specifically to wind up Jean and Johann European foreigner. |
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"Remember this crap told at Brexit? Controlling borders and immigrant numbers found to be higher than reported. Another Brexit bonus. What a laugh.
Control of nothing. Brexit = a messbrexit asnt been implemented by either goverment tho
It has..
The problem for several sectors of the economy is that in it's current 'oven ready' format it's detrimental so it needs sorting out ..
Which was always going to be the case given it was less about pragmatism and what was the best deal and more about let's stuff it up em bloody foreigners regardless of the actual details therein..the fact you say it was more about stuff it up the foreigners is the problem yr still in denial even discussing control of borders leads to this admit it be a man you think ppl who voted leave are racist
Foxy I don't need your validation or not to 'be a man's cheers .
No I don't think that at all, I've never said anything even close during the many passionate debates on here before and after the referendum..
people who are racists voted on both sides, farage and co deliberately used imagery very close funny enough to what Goebbels did as part of their campaign based purely upon fear of the immigrant..
It's a tired old trope that for some might have swayed their vote ..
was a reference to yr post on it was about stuff it to the bloody foreigners part ?
Because literally that was and still is the attitude of some who proposed and orchestrated the leaves campaign..
The language used and by some on here then and now might not use that term to the letter but the emphasis is solely that..
A more pragmatic person would have not allowed the cull of decent Tory MPs and Ministers in the run up to the 2019 'get Brexit done' general election but that's what happened and they and everyone else paying for it have paid a price which might have been lessened by having adults at the helm..
No doubt sunny uplands are just over the horizon.."
that maybe yr experience not mine |
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"Remember this crap told at Brexit? Controlling borders and immigrant numbers found to be higher than reported. Another Brexit bonus. What a laugh.
Control of nothing. Brexit = a messbrexit asnt been implemented by either goverment tho
It has..
The problem for several sectors of the economy is that in it's current 'oven ready' format it's detrimental so it needs sorting out ..
Which was always going to be the case given it was less about pragmatism and what was the best deal and more about let's stuff it up em bloody foreigners regardless of the actual details therein..the fact you say it was more about stuff it up the foreigners is the problem yr still in denial even discussing control of borders leads to this admit it be a man you think ppl who voted leave are racist
Foxy I don't need your validation or not to 'be a man's cheers .
No I don't think that at all, I've never said anything even close during the many passionate debates on here before and after the referendum..
people who are racists voted on both sides, farage and co deliberately used imagery very close funny enough to what Goebbels did as part of their campaign based purely upon fear of the immigrant..
It's a tired old trope that for some might have swayed their vote ..
was a reference to yr post on it was about stuff it to the bloody foreigners part ?
Because literally that was and still is the attitude of some who proposed and orchestrated the leaves campaign..
The language used and by some on here then and now might not use that term to the letter but the emphasis is solely that..
A more pragmatic person would have not allowed the cull of decent Tory MPs and Ministers in the run up to the 2019 'get Brexit done' general election but that's what happened and they and everyone else paying for it have paid a price which might have been lessened by having adults at the helm..
No doubt sunny uplands are just over the horizon..that maybe yr experience not mine "
Also depends on how open we are to seeing things or whether we wear blinkers to that which others find troubling.. |
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"Two posters have provided the facts boat people are under representative of the overall picture, but like good M.P's this has been ignored for an agenda which is not the true issue.
Which is Leagle immigration, wonder why?"
Perhaps the costs involved in housing, feeding and giving medical care to those that cross in small boats though the terrible deaths that happen are another big reason. |
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By *iseekingbiCouple 1 week ago
N ireland and West Midlands |
The Tories had an open border policy.
Torsten Bell summed it up
"It's clear the level of migration of recent years was simply far too high, given what we know about our capacity to build housing and wider infrastructure. Conservatives long ago decided their job was to stoke populism with their rhetoric, rather than bother governing" |
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By *ackal1Couple 7 days ago
Manchester |
"The Tories had an open border policy.
Torsten Bell summed it up
"It's clear the level of migration of recent years was simply far too high, given what we know about our capacity to build housing and wider infrastructure. Conservatives long ago decided their job was to stoke populism with their rhetoric, rather than bother governing""
Good quote.
I’m dubious as to whether Starmer can address this in a practical way rather than shouting rhetoric but I sincerely hope he can.
The Tory party could no longer blame the EU for the state of the country so immigration was the next option rather than their incompetence.
We must stop the nonsense popularism on all sides otherwise we will be flowing the US where consistent lies get more credit and support than a painful truth, |
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"The Tories had an open border policy.
Torsten Bell summed it up
"It's clear the level of migration of recent years was simply far too high, given what we know about our capacity to build housing and wider infrastructure. Conservatives long ago decided their job was to stoke populism with their rhetoric, rather than bother governing""
Well yes. They over egged it and people defected to the ultra-Tories in the last election. Which cost them dearly. |
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"The Tories had an open border policy.
Torsten Bell summed it up
"It's clear the level of migration of recent years was simply far too high, given what we know about our capacity to build housing and wider infrastructure. Conservatives long ago decided their job was to stoke populism with their rhetoric, rather than bother governing""
They constantly told people they were going to solve the issue and constantly failed which in my opinion done them a lot of harm regarding votes. Labour have come in also claiming that they can solve the issue. If they don't make at least a substantial improvement then they too will find it negatively affects them come voting time |
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