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" Does a Reform Govt inspire or scare you ?" Tax avoidance advice from reforms treasurer Nick Candy might benefit more than a few | |||
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"Labour are gifting any other party the next GE. The only hope we have as a country until that next GE is for Starmer to step down without causing a fuss, and Streeting stepping up. He will need to cull the cabinet, which wont be a bad thing and drop some of the ludicrous policies and commitments that are going to cause us more financial ruin ASAP. Starmer and his cabinet, a political car crash from day 1." Do you think Reform is still a protest vote or are people choosing them on their own merits ? | |||
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"Labour are gifting any other party the next GE. The only hope we have as a country until that next GE is for Starmer to step down without causing a fuss, and Streeting stepping up. He will need to cull the cabinet, which wont be a bad thing and drop some of the ludicrous policies and commitments that are going to cause us more financial ruin ASAP. Starmer and his cabinet, a political car crash from day 1." This is the only option, and it will be ruinous for Labour. We won’t see them again In the meantime a recession and job cuts. | |||
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"Labour are gifting any other party the next GE. The only hope we have as a country until that next GE is for Starmer to step down without causing a fuss, and Streeting stepping up. He will need to cull the cabinet, which wont be a bad thing and drop some of the ludicrous policies and commitments that are going to cause us more financial ruin ASAP. Starmer and his cabinet, a political car crash from day 1. Do you think Reform is still a protest vote or are people choosing them on their own merits ?" 4.2 million votes. It’s real Would be 5 million plus if GE today | |||
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"Labour are gifting any other party the next GE. The only hope we have as a country until that next GE is for Starmer to step down without causing a fuss, and Streeting stepping up. He will need to cull the cabinet, which wont be a bad thing and drop some of the ludicrous policies and commitments that are going to cause us more financial ruin ASAP. Starmer and his cabinet, a political car crash from day 1. Do you think Reform is still a protest vote or are people choosing them on their own merits ?" Reform in my opinion is holding pen for disillusioned tories who need to put a X in the box on polling day. The amount of tories that didn't vote at all out weighs those numbers, it was the stay at home tories that handed over the power to labour. Farage is not a stupid man, he knows they will not win an election, all he wants is enough labour and tory voters supporting Reform to make a difference when both the labour party and tories are neck and neck in the polls at the next GE. That is his fishing ground, that is where he will assert pressure to influence both parties, and whatever policy is important to him at the time. | |||
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"A landmark for Reform today as it is joint top in a national opinion poll for the first time. Labour and Reform on 25%, Tories on 20%, Lib Dem who cares. With the Labour economy in free fall and Kemi failing to impress so far, its hard to see this trend not continuing. Major shifts are underway in global politics and anything is possible. Does a Reform Govt inspire or scare you ?" Potentially 4 years out from an election… god no!!! The interesting thing is that reform are going to have to put up more candidates, and last time the vetting process was shockingly bad, so this time I wonder what proper “checks” would drag out | |||
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"A landmark for Reform today as it is joint top in a national opinion poll for the first time. Labour and Reform on 25%, Tories on 20%, Lib Dem who cares. With the Labour economy in free fall and Kemi failing to impress so far, its hard to see this trend not continuing. Major shifts are underway in global politics and anything is possible. Does a Reform Govt inspire or scare you ? Potentially 4 years out from an election… god no!!! The interesting thing is that reform are going to have to put up more candidates, and last time the vetting process was shockingly bad, so this time I wonder what proper “checks” would drag out " Would you stand Fabio ? | |||
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"A landmark for Reform today as it is joint top in a national opinion poll for the first time. Labour and Reform on 25%, Tories on 20%, Lib Dem who cares. With the Labour economy in free fall and Kemi failing to impress so far, its hard to see this trend not continuing. Major shifts are underway in global politics and anything is possible. Does a Reform Govt inspire or scare you ? Potentially 4 years out from an election… god no!!! The interesting thing is that reform are going to have to put up more candidates, and last time the vetting process was shockingly bad, so this time I wonder what proper “checks” would drag out Would you stand Fabio ?" For a political office… I would say that’s just a very interesting question that actually deserves its own thread rather than hijacking I think it’s a really good general politics thread question though | |||
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"A landmark for Reform today as it is joint top in a national opinion poll for the first time. Labour and Reform on 25%, Tories on 20%, Lib Dem who cares. With the Labour economy in free fall and Kemi failing to impress so far, its hard to see this trend not continuing. Major shifts are underway in global politics and anything is possible. Does a Reform Govt inspire or scare you ? Potentially 4 years out from an election… god no!!! The interesting thing is that reform are going to have to put up more candidates, and last time the vetting process was shockingly bad, so this time I wonder what proper “checks” would drag out Would you stand Fabio ? For a political office… I would say that’s just a very interesting question that actually deserves its own thread rather than hijacking I think it’s a really good general politics thread question though "  | |||
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"A landmark for Reform today as it is joint top in a national opinion poll for the first time. Labour and Reform on 25%, Tories on 20%, Lib Dem who cares. With the Labour economy in free fall and Kemi failing to impress so far, its hard to see this trend not continuing. Major shifts are underway in global politics and anything is possible. Does a Reform Govt inspire or scare you ?" They definitely seem to be still rising at the same time as the Tories are treading water and Labour are busy destroying the economy. One poll or even a few polls do not mean much but if it is the start of a continuous trend then it could get interesting. Still doubt they will ever win a GE but could become a significant force especially if whoever wins a GE only have a small majority | |||
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"Labour are gifting any other party the next GE. The only hope we have as a country until that next GE is for Starmer to step down without causing a fuss, and Streeting stepping up. He will need to cull the cabinet, which wont be a bad thing and drop some of the ludicrous policies and commitments that are going to cause us more financial ruin ASAP. Starmer and his cabinet, a political car crash from day 1. Do you think Reform is still a protest vote or are people choosing them on their own merits ?" The former. But that's not to say it won't bring them to power. You could say pretty much the same of Labour at the last GE. Look how their support has evaporated into thin air. Personally I'm not convinced Reform have the calibre of candidates to run the country. It's easy to look good in opposition - just ask Sir Keir. | |||
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"A landmark for Reform today as it is joint top in a national opinion poll for the first time. Labour and Reform on 25%, Tories on 20%, Lib Dem who cares. With the Labour economy in free fall and Kemi failing to impress so far, its hard to see this trend not continuing. Major shifts are underway in global politics and anything is possible. Does a Reform Govt inspire or scare you ? They definitely seem to be still rising at the same time as the Tories are treading water and Labour are busy destroying the economy. One poll or even a few polls do not mean much but if it is the start of a continuous trend then it could get interesting. Still doubt they will ever win a GE but could become a significant force especially if whoever wins a GE only have a small majority" Exactly this. Reform will be the major opposition and have the publics support; Libdem and Green both kicked to the sidelines. | |||
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"Labour are gifting any other party the next GE. The only hope we have as a country until that next GE is for Starmer to step down without causing a fuss, and Streeting stepping up. He will need to cull the cabinet, which wont be a bad thing and drop some of the ludicrous policies and commitments that are going to cause us more financial ruin ASAP. Starmer and his cabinet, a political car crash from day 1. Do you think Reform is still a protest vote or are people choosing them on their own merits ?" What merits? Their plans will cost £billions AND they want to reduce taxes. They blagged there way into Brexit because Brexit wasn’t quantifiable, but in an election plans get scrutinised and Reform have no funding plan other than they will somehow “create massive growth.” | |||
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"Labour are gifting any other party the next GE. The only hope we have as a country until that next GE is for Starmer to step down without causing a fuss, and Streeting stepping up. He will need to cull the cabinet, which wont be a bad thing and drop some of the ludicrous policies and commitments that are going to cause us more financial ruin ASAP. Starmer and his cabinet, a political car crash from day 1. Do you think Reform is still a protest vote or are people choosing them on their own merits ? What merits? Their plans will cost £billions AND they want to reduce taxes. They blagged there way into Brexit because Brexit wasn’t quantifiable, but in an election plans get scrutinised and Reform have no funding plan other than they will somehow “create massive growth.”" Labour's fiscal plan wasn't exactly 'scrutinised'. Remember fully costed?? Yeah fucking right it was  | |||
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"Their plans will cost £billions AND they want to reduce taxes." Have you not heard of the Laffer Curve? It's entirely possible to lower tax rates and at the same time increase tax revenues. | |||
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"Labour are gifting any other party the next GE. The only hope we have as a country until that next GE is for Starmer to step down without causing a fuss, and Streeting stepping up. He will need to cull the cabinet, which wont be a bad thing and drop some of the ludicrous policies and commitments that are going to cause us more financial ruin ASAP. Starmer and his cabinet, a political car crash from day 1. Do you think Reform is still a protest vote or are people choosing them on their own merits ? What merits? Their plans will cost £billions AND they want to reduce taxes. They blagged there way into Brexit because Brexit wasn’t quantifiable, but in an election plans get scrutinised and Reform have no funding plan other than they will somehow “create massive growth.”" Reduce taxes! Whatever next, allow people to keep their own money! | |||
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"It's only one poll. Take no notice" There's now been multiple polls showing Reform on 20-25%. | |||
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"It's only one poll. Take no notice There's now been multiple polls showing Reform on 20-25%." All bluster and hype from this party with no record of governing. Careful what you wish for. Look at what Brexit turned out like. UK doesn't need further disaster | |||
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"It's only one poll. Take no notice There's now been multiple polls showing Reform on 20-25%. All bluster and hype from this party with no record of governing. Careful what you wish for. Look at what Brexit turned out like. UK doesn't need further disaster " Nothing wrong with the idea of Brexit, just the cack handed implementation by the Tories. | |||
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"A landmark for Reform today as it is joint top in a national opinion poll for the first time. Labour and Reform on 25%, Tories on 20%, Lib Dem who cares. With the Labour economy in free fall and Kemi failing to impress so far, its hard to see this trend not continuing. Major shifts are underway in global politics and anything is possible. Does a Reform Govt inspire or scare you ?" I dunno about inspire but I'd love to see Reform in charge. Nigel would be a great PM. This should get the left wing going ape shit. | |||
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" This should get the left wing going ape shit." I usually associate ape shit with the right! | |||
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"Reform the party that has a convicted time serving criminal as a M.P in parliament. (the m.p beat up his partner at the time, and was given a prison sentence). As I said before if reform are a real threat then MSM will print a story like I have reported here then they will be finished. We do need another political party but reform is not the way to go. " In 2012, 43% of MPs had criminal convictions. They don't tell us anymore, wonder why that might be? | |||
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"Labour are gifting any other party the next GE. The only hope we have as a country until that next GE is for Starmer to step down without causing a fuss, and Streeting stepping up. He will need to cull the cabinet, which wont be a bad thing and drop some of the ludicrous policies and commitments that are going to cause us more financial ruin ASAP. Starmer and his cabinet, a political car crash from day 1. Do you think Reform is still a protest vote or are people choosing them on their own merits ?" I do think it's a protest vote (for now at least) but a very significant one. Whether or not certain people like it, immigration is going to be the big issue over the next 4 years and unless one of the main party's steals Reform's clothes they will do well from it. Rwanda aside the Tories had very few answers and Labour have hit the ground running..... AWAY! Add Labours economic woes, which I see getting much worse, and there would be the possibility of a Tory/Reform coalition. Now that could be fun.  | |||
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" This should get the left wing going ape shit. I usually associate ape shit with the right!" Try challenging folk at a pro Palestinian March. You'll see what ape shit means. | |||
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"I would prefer a Reform/Tory coalition to rule out a split vote which would unfortunately let Labour in." The tory party rules for over a decade crashes the economy twice while electing morons as leaders...twice Yet it is a labour government of 6months to blame ? You guys need to lay off the drugs ,but then anyone who believes Farage is in this for anything than to line his pockets is beyond saving already | |||
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I don’t care what a bunch of stuffed shirt liberals and leftists have to say about Reform, it’s like they would say that. It is good that a thread like this invites such vitriol. It means that they are worried, and so they should be.
As for Nigel. He has stuck to his guns, ever since leaving the Tories, when John Major signed the Maastricht Treaty. I think he would make a great Prime Minister. | |||
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"It's going to be very interesting when the first bye election comes up." also the Scottish % Welsh elections in 2026 if Reform keep their act together & run a well funded campaign they could do very well | |||
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"I would prefer a Reform/Tory coalition to rule out a split vote which would unfortunately let Labour in. The tory party rules for over a decade crashes the economy twice while electing morons as leaders...twice Yet it is a labour government of 6months to blame ? You guys need to lay off the drugs ,but then anyone who believes Farage is in this for anything than to line his pockets is beyond saving already " What are they smoking in Scotland to keep electing the incompetent crooks who run the SNP ? | |||
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"worried? considering their elected members are now resigning en masse, no not in the least. "Polls say they will win the next Welsh elections. | |||
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"worried? considering their elected members are now resigning en masse, no not in the least.
Polls say they will win the next Welsh elections. "Welsh politicians have shot themselves in the foot by sticking to 20 MPH limits | |||
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"worried? considering their elected members are now resigning en masse, no not in the least.
Polls say they will win the next Welsh elections. "so? | |||
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"worried? considering their elected members are now resigning en masse, no not in the least.
Polls say they will win the next Welsh elections.
so?"What ? | |||
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"worried? considering their elected members are now resigning en masse, no not in the least.
Polls say they will win the next Welsh elections.
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"seems you have nothing to say again " | |||
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"more elected members have resigned from reform .... the party is divided despite their faked PR "Looks like they didn't pass vetting. No wonder they don't like how the party is being run. Well done Nigel, he did promise to sort out those undesirables. | |||
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"It looks like we are well on course for Reform UK 2028. That has been the target all along.
I don’t care what a bunch of stuffed shirt liberals and leftists have to say about Reform, it’s like they would say that. It is good that a thread like this invites such vitriol. It means that they are worried, and so they should be.
As for Nigel. He has stuck to his guns, ever since leaving the Tories, when John Major signed the Maastricht Treaty. I think he would make a great Prime Minister."They don’t have the people to stand for election - what are you on about? You do realise that any political party has to have hundreds of sufficiently competent MP’s ready, available and willing to stand at an election? Reform have hardly anyone. They also have no viable policies other than to dismantle the NHS and make everyone pay for healthcare (or be insured) and £Billions of uncosted promises. No | |||
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"A landmark for Reform today as it is joint top in a national opinion poll for the first time. Labour and Reform on 25%, Tories on 20%, Lib Dem who cares. With the Labour economy in free fall and Kemi failing to impress so far, its hard to see this trend not continuing. Major shifts are underway in global politics and anything is possible. Does a Reform Govt inspire or scare you ?" Ask when they become a proper party. | |||
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"Their plans will cost £billions AND they want to reduce taxes. Have you not heard of the Laffer Curve? It's entirely possible to lower tax rates and at the same time increase tax revenues." Is that like Laff out loud? | |||
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"Reform the party that has a convicted time serving criminal as a M.P in parliament. (the m.p beat up his partner at the time, and was given a prison sentence). As I said before if reform are a real threat then MSM will print a story like I have reported here then they will be finished. We do need another political party but reform is not the way to go. In 2012, 43% of MPs had criminal convictions. They don't tell us anymore, wonder why that might be? " Any higher and it might as well be a requisite. | |||
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"It looks like we are well on course for Reform UK 2028. That has been the target all along.
I don’t care what a bunch of stuffed shirt liberals and leftists have to say about Reform, it’s like they would say that. It is good that a thread like this invites such vitriol. It means that they are worried, and so they should be.
As for Nigel. He has stuck to his guns, ever since leaving the Tories, when John Major signed the Maastricht Treaty. I think he would make a great Prime Minister.
They don’t have the people to stand for election - what are you on about? You do realise that any political party has to have hundreds of sufficiently competent MP’s ready, available and willing to stand at an election? Reform have hardly anyone.
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"New opinion poll puts Reform on 29%, Conservatives on 18% !" Have to say 29% is still not very good from any party no wonder this country is in a mess. | |||
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"New opinion poll puts Reform on 29%, Conservatives on 18% ! Have to say 29% is still not very good from any party no wonder this country is in a mess. " No none of them very popular atm. | |||
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"The embarrassing decline of the good sense and morals of this country. Hopefully the electorate will see reform for what they are by the next election and kick them back to the 1970s sewer they crawled out of "Are you implying that anyone who doesn’t agree with your political views has no sense and no morals? That’s quite a narcissistic claim | |||
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"I thought this was going to be an opinion poll on reforming tops lol " | |||
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"The embarrassing decline of the good sense and morals of this country. Hopefully the electorate will see reform for what they are by the next election and kick them back to the 1970s sewer they crawled out of "What specifically do you think Reform are hiding from the electorate, that you can see? | |||
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"The embarrassing decline of the good sense and morals of this country. Hopefully the electorate will see reform for what they are by the next election and kick them back to the 1970s sewer they crawled out of "Another 4 years of Labour and the whole country will be a sewer. It's been on that road for decades. | |||
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"The embarrassing decline of the good sense and morals of this country. Hopefully the electorate will see reform for what they are by the next election and kick them back to the 1970s sewer they crawled out of
What specifically do you think Reform are hiding from the electorate, that you can see?"Nothings hidden. Have you read their 28 page policy document. It’s a putrid pile of lies, wishful thinking and made up nonsense. They’re going to this that and the other and it will all save the country millions and make things better. But as always the devil is in the detail and they don’t have any. Stop immigration? Ha yeah right! Immigration is and always has been eternal. Even acting like wankers to the new arrivals will never stop them coming. Save the NHS by cutting waste. Ha! Every government has tried that one. Invest in Gas and Oil. Yeah let’s just go with blind denial there is a problem with the environment and then we call all drive V8s guilt free. Drop ‘wokeness’ which from everything they do means going back to the social attitudes of the past. We dropped all that bigoted drivel for a reason. It’s so bad Trump and his mob probably agree with it  | |||
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"The embarrassing decline of the good sense and morals of this country. Hopefully the electorate will see reform for what they are by the next election and kick them back to the 1970s sewer they crawled out of "Yeah, wouldn't vote for reform just a load of racists. | |||
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" Thank god for Reform UK, and the fact that they are the most popular party in the UK today. Thank god we can all see how Labour lied when they cancelled all those elections that they would also have lost yesterday. The future is looking great, because what happened yesterday is a continuation of our rise to the top. It is early days, just the beginning." It's very easy to complain about the other parties when Reform has no track record. But now let's see how Reform Councillors get on, especially in the 6 councils they now control. Remember UKIP won Thanet Council in 2015, and by 2017 all their internal squables resulted in mass defections and they lost control. Needless to say UKIP achieved nothing for the residents of Thanet. | |||
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"A landmark for Reform today as it is joint top in a national opinion poll for the first time. Labour and Reform on 25%, Tories on 20%, Lib Dem who cares. With the Labour economy in free fall and Kemi failing to impress so far, its hard to see this trend not continuing. Major shifts are underway in global politics and anything is possible. Does a Reform Govt inspire or scare you ? Potentially 4 years out from an election… god no!!! The interesting thing is that reform are going to have to put up more candidates, and last time the vetting process was shockingly bad, so this time I wonder what proper “checks” would drag out Would you stand Fabio ? For a political office… I would say that’s just a very interesting question that actually deserves its own thread rather than hijacking I think it’s a really good general politics thread question though " Haha, answered like a seasoned politician, you’re a natural Fabio  | |||
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" ... Would you stand Fabio ? For a political office… I would say that’s just a very interesting question that actually deserves its own thread rather than hijacking I think it’s a really good general politics thread question though Haha, answered like a seasoned politician, you’re a natural Fabio "That was a very good question and I'm glad that Fabio answered it... | |||
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"The government postponed nine elections until May 2026 It will be interesting if the current mood and support for Reform keeps its momentum for these elections East Sussex County Council Essex County Council Hampshire County Council Isle of Wight Council Norfolk County Council Suffolk County Council Surrey County Council Thurrock Council West Sussex County Council" The Conservatives are already toast in Thurrock because of the bankruptcy they engineered there. They have a bigger problem now, a collapse in funds to run a half decent campaign and a collapse in the party faithful to do the hard doorstep yards. | |||
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" Stop immigration? Ha yeah right! Immigration is and always has been eternal. Even acting like wankers to the new arrivals will never stop them coming." After a hard clampdown Denmark seems to be doing OK. And it's a centre left government. " Save the NHS by cutting waste. Ha! Every government has tried that one." Every government has paid lip service to it but then bottled it. " Invest in Gas and Oil. Yeah let’s just go with blind denial there is a problem with the environment and then we call all drive V8s guilt free." Even if Britain achieved "Net Zero" the effect on climate change would be miniscule. My words? No the words of no less than Tony Blair. I'll stick with my 2 diesels thanks. " Drop ‘wokeness’ which from everything they do means going back to the social attitudes of the past. We dropped all that bigoted drivel for a reason." From a country that could laugh at itself and produced some of the best comedy on the planet, we have turned into a miserable bunch of snarling virtue signalling dullards. Give me the past any day. " It’s so bad Trump and his mob probably agree with it "Who cares? | |||
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"The government postponed nine elections until May 2026 It will be interesting if the current mood and support for Reform keeps its momentum for these elections East Sussex County Council Essex County Council Hampshire County Council Isle of Wight Council Norfolk County Council Suffolk County Council Surrey County Council Thurrock Council West Sussex County Council" I've always suspected the postponement was a bit of gerrymandering. It was also rather convenient that Prince Harry's verdict was announced on results day. What a way to get the (expected?) election disaster relegated down on the news feeds. | |||
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"Badenoch has been disappointing. When not leader she seemed to have some fire, but that seems to have disappeared. Plus there are too many wets in the Conservative Party holding her back. The Tories should shut down and its members can split off to Reform and the Lib Dems. Meanwhile Starmer isn’t capable of changing tack. He is beholden to the Unions and otherwise outdated ideologies. Labour look and sound like yesterday’s men fixated with yesterday’s issues. Completely out of touch with the country and the world. Labour will get wiped out at the next election. All we will have seen by 2029 is five years of economic stagnation and zero other achievements. " The Lib Dem’s lol. You do know conservatism and liberalism are opposites? Yeah there will be some similarities with those on the very left of the Conservative Party I guess but the differences should outweigh the similarities. Could also say the same out the Lib Dem’s, pack up and either join Labour, the Greens or the Conservatives. Actually you could say it about all the parties. But the conservatives have been in power for more than double the number of years Labour has over the last 45 years so I’m not sure why they should be the ones to disband. But I agree they still haven’t got their shit together. I think Generick would have made a better leader but some thought he was too far to the right. In the council elections they lost out to a party that’s to the right. | |||
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"It's going to be very interesting when the first bye election comes up." The local election result was very telling. People are fed up with the establishment type politics and want a reform. This is why Reform is getting traction | |||
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"It's going to be very interesting when the first bye election comes up." That is what I posted on this thread 17 weeks ago. I think "interesting" was a bit of an understatement. | |||
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"The embarrassing decline of the good sense and morals of this country. Hopefully the electorate will see reform for what they are by the next election and kick them back to the 1970s sewer they crawled out of
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"42% of the seats secured by a so called minority party Labour and Con lost two thirds of seats they defended. The people have spoken, loudly. Four years left of Labour at best " I would hope so. The next 4 years are going to be very interesting though. Will Starmer try to steal some of Reform's clothes or will Labour dump Starmer altogether? Both possibilities are in play. The next big hurdle for Reform is actually running something. They have 677 new councillors but very few, if any, have experience of sitting on a council. A very big learning curve. Next problem will be that all the usual suspects will be sharpening their knives. The media will be watching like hawks for the slightest slip or one wrong word from a Reform councillor and will come down like a ton of bricks for the most minor mistake. Likewise the public sector unions will be looking for any and every excuse to sabotage Reform controlled councils. Last but not least chief executives and department managers will be looking for ways to block policy. The Westminster blob did it to the last government so I fully expect county hall managers to do pretty much the same here. I think we are heading into 4 years of the political dark arts. On a brighter note, Starmer's postponement of the other elections could bite him on the arse. Had they been fought this week it would have probably been a bigger disaster for Labour but all of it got rid of in one go. Now he's got to look forward to the same again next year. | |||
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"With responsibility and power does and should come scrutiny of course, no matter whom the party is.. It was a political event, better than reform could have expected and the reasons why need to be addressed.. I think it's a bit early to predict that farage will be PM in 29.." Farage doesn't need to be PM now, he will get what ever he wants through the 2 main parties. He has the upper hand without the power, just has he did with getting a referendum and steering the Brexit campaign. He has run rings around every PM and party over the last 25 years and knows exactly how to get what he wants, that in itself is an impressive achievement. | |||
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"The embarrassing decline of the good sense and morals of this country. Hopefully the electorate will see reform for what they are by the next election and kick them back to the 1970s sewer they crawled out of
What specifically do you think Reform are hiding from the electorate, that you can see?
Nothings hidden. Have you read their 28 page policy document. It’s a putrid pile of lies, wishful thinking and made up nonsense.
They’re going to this that and the other and it will all save the country millions and make things better. But as always the devil is in the detail and they don’t have any.
Stop immigration? Ha yeah right! Immigration is and always has been eternal. Even acting like wankers to the new arrivals will never stop them coming.
Save the NHS by cutting waste. Ha! Every government has tried that one.
Invest in Gas and Oil. Yeah let’s just go with blind denial there is a problem with the environment and then we call all drive V8s guilt free.
Drop ‘wokeness’ which from everything they do means going back to the social attitudes of the past. We dropped all that bigoted drivel for a reason.
It’s so bad Trump and his mob probably agree with it "I have read their manifesto and I read nothing in there that worried me or felt to much of stretch. The mood of the country is changing fast and support for Reform reflects public confidence in their policies. | |||
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"Reform’s vote ‘only’ averaged 31% across the election. High, but almost certainly not high enough to win a GE yet. …and these were ‘only’ local elections, historically proven fertile ground for protest votes on low turnouts. There is clearly a lot of discontent out there re: immigration hence the rise in their vote but I’m not really sure Reform have the answers. These are the people who touted Brexit as a way of being able to get a grip on net migration & it didn’t, it increased. We need immigration, something which Reform acknowledge themselves otherwise the health & social care systems go t1ts up just for starters. Yeah they say they will pick boats up & take them back to France. And if the French refuse? No details. ‘Illegal migrants will be processed offshore’ - again, scant on details, scant on costs. I’m almost wishing they win the next GE tbh, because if their policies are implemented & fail, where do the hard right go from there? " Do you think the labour party or the tories are going to sit on their hands over the small boat crossings after this wake up call? Farage is already shaping the future. | |||
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"With responsibility and power does and should come scrutiny of course, no matter whom the party is.. It was a political event, better than reform could have expected and the reasons why need to be addressed.. I think it's a bit early to predict that farage will be PM in 29.. Farage doesn't need to be PM now, he will get what ever he wants through the 2 main parties. He has the upper hand without the power, just has he did with getting a referendum and steering the Brexit campaign. He has run rings around every PM and party over the last 25 years and knows exactly how to get what he wants, that in itself is an impressive achievement." We are living in the age of the political populist as we've seen there's a lot of hot air, broken promises etc with some of them.. Certainly Boris was found to be grossly inadequate when the realities of government clashes with his personal failings, time will tell.. | |||
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"Reform’s vote ‘only’ averaged 31% across the election. High, but almost certainly not high enough to win a GE yet. …and these were ‘only’ local elections, historically proven fertile ground for protest votes on low turnouts. There is clearly a lot of discontent out there re: immigration hence the rise in their vote but I’m not really sure Reform have the answers. These are the people who touted Brexit as a way of being able to get a grip on net migration & it didn’t, it increased. We need immigration, something which Reform acknowledge themselves otherwise the health & social care systems go t1ts up just for starters. Yeah they say they will pick boats up & take them back to France. And if the French refuse? No details. ‘Illegal migrants will be processed offshore’ - again, scant on details, scant on costs. I’m almost wishing they win the next GE tbh, because if their policies are implemented & fail, where do the hard right go from there? Do you think the labour party or the tories are going to sit on their hands over the small boat crossings after this wake up call? Farage is already shaping the future." I said on Friday if arses get kicked in government to sort out the issues that reform are basing their game upon (once again it's easy to say this or that in opposition as labour were) than to actually tackle such issues then that'll be a bonus.. | |||
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"A landmark for Reform today as it is joint top in a national opinion poll for the first time. Labour and Reform on 25%, Tories on 20%, Lib Dem who cares. With the Labour economy in free fall and Kemi failing to impress so far, its hard to see this trend not continuing. Major shifts are underway in global politics and anything is possible. Does a Reform Govt inspire or scare you ?" I cannot see anything to be afraid of. Reform will attempt to adapt a similar funding procedure for the health service as there is in many other European countries. The party are committed to stopping illegal immigration. No law abiding citizen wants anyone entering the county illegally though the legal profession love to use it to line their own pockets without any consideration for other people . Denmark have recently taken firm action to stop illegal migratin. . Reforms tax policies will be a boost to the economy as with the abolition of woke ideology. Hopefully Reform will merge with the Conservative party with Nigel Farage as leader. He is one of the most successfull politicians of modern times. | |||
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"A landmark for Reform today as it is joint top in a national opinion poll for the first time. Labour and Reform on 25%, Tories on 20%, Lib Dem who cares. With the Labour economy in free fall and Kemi failing to impress so far, its hard to see this trend not continuing. Major shifts are underway in global politics and anything is possible. Does a Reform Govt inspire or scare you ? I cannot see anything to be afraid of. Reform will attempt to adapt a similar funding procedure for the health service as there is in many other European countries. The party are committed to stopping illegal immigration. No law abiding citizen wants anyone entering the county illegally though the legal profession love to use it to line their own pockets without any consideration for other people . Denmark have recently taken firm action to stop illegal migratin. . Reforms tax policies will be a boost to the economy as with the abolition of woke ideology. Hopefully Reform will merge with the Conservative party with Nigel Farage as leader. He is one of the most successfull politicians of modern times. " Wasn't it the Reform folk who said how great life would be after Brexit? That hasn't panned out too well and yet folk still listen to him. Madness is to keep doing the same thing and expecting a different outcome. | |||
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"Reform’s vote ‘only’ averaged 31% across the election. High, but almost certainly not high enough to win a GE yet. …and these were ‘only’ local elections, historically proven fertile ground for protest votes on low turnouts. There is clearly a lot of discontent out there re: immigration hence the rise in their vote but I’m not really sure Reform have the answers. These are the people who touted Brexit as a way of being able to get a grip on net migration & it didn’t, it increased. We need immigration, something which Reform acknowledge themselves otherwise the health & social care systems go t1ts up just for starters. Yeah they say they will pick boats up & take them back to France. And if the French refuse? No details. ‘Illegal migrants will be processed offshore’ - again, scant on details, scant on costs. I’m almost wishing they win the next GE tbh, because if their policies are implemented & fail, where do the hard right go from there? Do you think the labour party or the tories are going to sit on their hands over the small boat crossings after this wake up call? Farage is already shaping the future." With nearly half the country’s voters behind him if Thursdays 42% seat gain is a metric | |||
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"The embarrassing decline of the good sense and morals of this country. Hopefully the electorate will see reform for what they are by the next election and kick them back to the 1970s sewer they crawled out of "Yup hopefully! | |||
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"Reform’s vote ‘only’ averaged 31% across the election. High, but almost certainly not high enough to win a GE yet. …and these were ‘only’ local elections, historically proven fertile ground for protest votes on low turnouts. There is clearly a lot of discontent out there re: immigration hence the rise in their vote but I’m not really sure Reform have the answers. These are the people who touted Brexit as a way of being able to get a grip on net migration & it didn’t, it increased. We need immigration, something which Reform acknowledge themselves otherwise the health & social care systems go t1ts up just for starters. Yeah they say they will pick boats up & take them back to France. And if the French refuse? No details. ‘Illegal migrants will be processed offshore’ - again, scant on details, scant on costs. I’m almost wishing they win the next GE tbh, because if their policies are implemented & fail, where do the hard right go from there? Do you think the labour party or the tories are going to sit on their hands over the small boat crossings after this wake up call? Farage is already shaping the future. With nearly half the country’s voters behind him if Thursdays 42% seat gain is a metric " Not sure what mathematical wizardry draws this conclusion. The elections were mainly the shires which have traditionally been tory and even then Reform only got around 32% of vote. They'll get nowhere in the cities where most Westminster seats are concentrated. | |||
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"Reform’s vote ‘only’ averaged 31% across the election. High, but almost certainly not high enough to win a GE yet. …and these were ‘only’ local elections, historically proven fertile ground for protest votes on low turnouts. There is clearly a lot of discontent out there re: immigration hence the rise in their vote but I’m not really sure Reform have the answers. These are the people who touted Brexit as a way of being able to get a grip on net migration & it didn’t, it increased. We need immigration, something which Reform acknowledge themselves otherwise the health & social care systems go t1ts up just for starters. Yeah they say they will pick boats up & take them back to France. And if the French refuse? No details. ‘Illegal migrants will be processed offshore’ - again, scant on details, scant on costs. I’m almost wishing they win the next GE tbh, because if their policies are implemented & fail, where do the hard right go from there? Do you think the labour party or the tories are going to sit on their hands over the small boat crossings after this wake up call? Farage is already shaping the future. With nearly half the country’s voters behind him if Thursdays 42% seat gain is a metric Not sure what mathematical wizardry draws this conclusion. The elections were mainly the shires which have traditionally been tory and even then Reform only got around 32% of vote. They'll get nowhere in the cities where most Westminster seats are concentrated." As a percentage of seats defended Reform took a similar amount off Labour than from the Tories. The Tories were defending 993 seats and lost 674 (67.9%). Labour were defending 285 and lost 187 (65.8%) That's a very even split in my book. If Runcorn, Hull and Durham are anything to go by then Reform will do quite well in the cities. Probably not in London though. | |||
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"Reform’s vote ‘only’ averaged 31% across the election. High, but almost certainly not high enough to win a GE yet. …and these were ‘only’ local elections, historically proven fertile ground for protest votes on low turnouts. There is clearly a lot of discontent out there re: immigration hence the rise in their vote but I’m not really sure Reform have the answers. These are the people who touted Brexit as a way of being able to get a grip on net migration & it didn’t, it increased. We need immigration, something which Reform acknowledge themselves otherwise the health & social care systems go t1ts up just for starters. Yeah they say they will pick boats up & take them back to France. And if the French refuse? No details. ‘Illegal migrants will be processed offshore’ - again, scant on details, scant on costs. I’m almost wishing they win the next GE tbh, because if their policies are implemented & fail, where do the hard right go from there? Do you think the labour party or the tories are going to sit on their hands over the small boat crossings after this wake up call? Farage is already shaping the future. With nearly half the country’s voters behind him if Thursdays 42% seat gain is a metric Not sure what mathematical wizardry draws this conclusion. The elections were mainly the shires which have traditionally been tory and even then Reform only got around 32% of vote. They'll get nowhere in the cities where most Westminster seats are concentrated. As a percentage of seats defended Reform took a similar amount off Labour than from the Tories. The Tories were defending 993 seats and lost 674 (67.9%). Labour were defending 285 and lost 187 (65.8%) That's a very even split in my book. If Runcorn, Hull and Durham are anything to go by then Reform will do quite well in the cities. Probably not in London though." Still a bit of a stretch from that analysis to conclude that 42% of voters support Farage. | |||
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"Reform’s vote ‘only’ averaged 31% across the election. High, but almost certainly not high enough to win a GE yet. …and these were ‘only’ local elections, historically proven fertile ground for protest votes on low turnouts. There is clearly a lot of discontent out there re: immigration hence the rise in their vote but I’m not really sure Reform have the answers. These are the people who touted Brexit as a way of being able to get a grip on net migration & it didn’t, it increased. We need immigration, something which Reform acknowledge themselves otherwise the health & social care systems go t1ts up just for starters. Yeah they say they will pick boats up & take them back to France. And if the French refuse? No details. ‘Illegal migrants will be processed offshore’ - again, scant on details, scant on costs. I’m almost wishing they win the next GE tbh, because if their policies are implemented & fail, where do the hard right go from there? Do you think the labour party or the tories are going to sit on their hands over the small boat crossings after this wake up call? Farage is already shaping the future. With nearly half the country’s voters behind him if Thursdays 42% seat gain is a metric Not sure what mathematical wizardry draws this conclusion. The elections were mainly the shires which have traditionally been tory and even then Reform only got around 32% of vote. They'll get nowhere in the cities where most Westminster seats are concentrated. As a percentage of seats defended Reform took a similar amount off Labour than from the Tories. The Tories were defending 993 seats and lost 674 (67.9%). Labour were defending 285 and lost 187 (65.8%) That's a very even split in my book. If Runcorn, Hull and Durham are anything to go by then Reform will do quite well in the cities. Probably not in London though. Still a bit of a stretch from that analysis to conclude that 42% of voters support Farage." I didn't say that. That figure was from another poster. Remember this though. Labour won a landslide with just over 33% last time and that number is well within Reform's reach. | |||
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"The Monster Raving Looney party has a better chance in the next General Election than the current Labour clowns. " At least you know, what you are getting when they get in. | |||
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"It's going to be very interesting when the first bye election comes up. That is what I posted on this thread 17 weeks ago. I think "interesting" was a bit of an understatement. "Haha well you certainly called it! It was a very 'interesting' outcome indeed! | |||
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"It's going to be very interesting when the first bye election comes up. That is what I posted on this thread 17 weeks ago. I think "interesting" was a bit of an understatement.
Haha well you certainly called it! It was a very 'interesting' outcome indeed! "In my area the local council elections constituted a 'Bye bye' election as far as the Tories were concerned. All six lost their seats to six even more right wing candidates... | |||
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"Nigel Farage on Liz Truss’ budget: ‘The best Conservative budget since 1986’ Also Nigel Farage, on Trump’s tariffs: "I think Trump did too much too soon. Rather like Liz Truss did a couple of years ago. I've never in my life before seen stock markets fall quickly and bond markets fall at the same time." The guy is a complete charlatan, dealing in soundbites for people with goldfish memory." Fire away, tell me how the budget that was never implemented, crashed the economy. | |||
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"Nigel Farage on Liz Truss’ budget: ‘The best Conservative budget since 1986’ Also Nigel Farage, on Trump’s tariffs: "I think Trump did too much too soon. Rather like Liz Truss did a couple of years ago. I've never in my life before seen stock markets fall quickly and bond markets fall at the same time." The guy is a complete charlatan, dealing in soundbites for people with goldfish memory. Fire away, tell me how the budget that was never implemented, crashed the economy." I'm no expert (probably in the right place here), but possibly a loss of global confidence, reduced impetus for incom8ng investment, money within the markets shifting abroad etc? It possibly had a knock on to the loans market inthat loan opportunities were rrstricted....not only for mortgage products for humble citizens, but also for commercial investment? Although much of this was subsequently withheld or reversed,the economy didn't reset itself completely to the time before Truss, possibly? Not sure but maybe someone can tell me where I'm wrong? | |||
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"Nigel Farage on Liz Truss’ budget: ‘The best Conservative budget since 1986’ Also Nigel Farage, on Trump’s tariffs: "I think Trump did too much too soon. Rather like Liz Truss did a couple of years ago. I've never in my life before seen stock markets fall quickly and bond markets fall at the same time." The guy is a complete charlatan, dealing in soundbites for people with goldfish memory. Fire away, tell me how the budget that was never implemented, crashed the economy." The mere prospect of £45 billion of unfunded tax cuts was enough. Yet Farage the clapping seal was happy enough with it at the time it seems. | |||
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"I think it’s going to be interesting to see what reform do in the councils they won , you can promise a shit ton if you are a rebel group.. now you have to be the adults! For example in County Durham (the council next to mine) only 4 of the 65 members have any sort of local government experience… and now a lot of the promises they made are being rowed back.. Love to see them try and blame immigration up here!! " I'm also looking forward to see how Reform will shape local housing quotas / lists, education and policing. I'm expecting a joint approach on how they make changes and it I'm hoping they challenge the government at policy level. That is when the fun will start. | |||
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"Nigel Farage on Liz Truss’ budget: ‘The best Conservative budget since 1986’ Also Nigel Farage, on Trump’s tariffs: "I think Trump did too much too soon. Rather like Liz Truss did a couple of years ago. I've never in my life before seen stock markets fall quickly and bond markets fall at the same time." The guy is a complete charlatan, dealing in soundbites for people with goldfish memory. Fire away, tell me how the budget that was never implemented, crashed the economy. The mere prospect of £45 billion of unfunded tax cuts was enough. Yet Farage the clapping seal was happy enough with it at the time it seems." Enough for what, where is the detail, you are accusing Farage of soundbites.... | |||
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"Nigel Farage on Liz Truss’ budget: ‘The best Conservative budget since 1986’ Also Nigel Farage, on Trump’s tariffs: "I think Trump did too much too soon. Rather like Liz Truss did a couple of years ago. I've never in my life before seen stock markets fall quickly and bond markets fall at the same time." The guy is a complete charlatan, dealing in soundbites for people with goldfish memory. Fire away, tell me how the budget that was never implemented, crashed the economy. The mere prospect of £45 billion of unfunded tax cuts was enough. Yet Farage the clapping seal was happy enough with it at the time it seems. Enough for what, where is the detail, you are accusing Farage of soundbites...." It’s all been wrote about already. Plenty of links out there. You’ve got Farage himself comparing Trump to Truss & acknowledging Truss didn’t get it right. So which is it, you can’t have it both ways. So are you telling me now Truss was right & Farage is now wrong? | |||
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"Nigel Farage on Liz Truss’ budget: ‘The best Conservative budget since 1986’ Also Nigel Farage, on Trump’s tariffs: "I think Trump did too much too soon. Rather like Liz Truss did a couple of years ago. I've never in my life before seen stock markets fall quickly and bond markets fall at the same time." The guy is a complete charlatan, dealing in soundbites for people with goldfish memory. Fire away, tell me how the budget that was never implemented, crashed the economy. The mere prospect of £45 billion of unfunded tax cuts was enough. Yet Farage the clapping seal was happy enough with it at the time it seems. Enough for what, where is the detail, you are accusing Farage of soundbites...." Think it's fair to say that Farage, Luke trump and Boris is up there at the apex of political 'soundbiters'.. Yes they all do it if course and not denying he's a pretty good orator but he's built a lucrative career on such things as the populists tend to do.. Whether there's any substance, who knows.. | |||
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"Nigel Farage on Liz Truss’ budget: ‘The best Conservative budget since 1986’ Also Nigel Farage, on Trump’s tariffs: "I think Trump did too much too soon. Rather like Liz Truss did a couple of years ago. I've never in my life before seen stock markets fall quickly and bond markets fall at the same time." The guy is a complete charlatan, dealing in soundbites for people with goldfish memory. Fire away, tell me how the budget that was never implemented, crashed the economy. The mere prospect of £45 billion of unfunded tax cuts was enough. Yet Farage the clapping seal was happy enough with it at the time it seems. Enough for what, where is the detail, you are accusing Farage of soundbites.... It’s all been wrote about already. Plenty of links out there. You’ve got Farage himself comparing Trump to Truss & acknowledging Truss didn’t get it right. So which is it, you can’t have it both ways. So are you telling me now Truss was right & Farage is now wrong?" The problem here is people saying X is wrong and Y is right without really taking account for the actual events. It is not the vast amount of the publics fault they think this way, as poor information is driven into us at every opportunity. A short version of the mini budget: Truss poorly communicated the budget, and provided no OBR forecast, this is what spooked the markets, higher expected government borrowing. LDI schemes used by pension funds became stressed when in simple terms they panicked, without needing to. That created a fall in the gilt yield as they were selling off in the panic. The problem that we were facing is the LDI schemes should have been stressed tested by the BoE and they hadn't done this prior, they also dragged their feet when the panic started. It was a mess, but a mess that could have been avoided if the BoE had been better prepared and Truss had been more reasoned with her communication. The economy did not crash, that is what we are told by headline grabbers. There was instability and economic implications during a period of instability. The BoE has now got on with stress testing LDI schemes, to prevent this happening again, they tell us | |||
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"Nigel Farage on Liz Truss’ budget: ‘The best Conservative budget since 1986’ Also Nigel Farage, on Trump’s tariffs: "I think Trump did too much too soon. Rather like Liz Truss did a couple of years ago. I've never in my life before seen stock markets fall quickly and bond markets fall at the same time." The guy is a complete charlatan, dealing in soundbites for people with goldfish memory. Fire away, tell me how the budget that was never implemented, crashed the economy. The mere prospect of £45 billion of unfunded tax cuts was enough. Yet Farage the clapping seal was happy enough with it at the time it seems. Enough for what, where is the detail, you are accusing Farage of soundbites.... Think it's fair to say that Farage, Luke trump and Boris is up there at the apex of political 'soundbiters'.. Yes they all do it if course and not denying he's a pretty good orator but he's built a lucrative career on such things as the populists tend to do.. Whether there's any substance, who knows.." Acknowledging the public mood is something Farage has been very good at, but equally he has set the mood over the last 20 years. I think he is actually the least populist politician we have, Starmer on the other hand could become the biggest as he tries to catch up.. | |||
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"First thing will be audits of Council expenditure, with things they find to be a waste of money will be scrapped. There will be challenges, some malcontents will not like being ejected from their decades long gravy trains. I can see the govt kicking back over many things, but I’m sure that they are not permitted to meddle in county council, even local council affairs. So how effective Reforms initial policies are going to be might just depend on outside forces obstructing elected representatives when they are doing their jobs.." Did you get that straight the reform press office? If you think there is a ton of wastage at council level do you think they like putting up council tax up by 5% each year? So for example.. reform says they are going to get rid of all people in roles dealing with DEI and that will save loads of money!!! So.. guess how many people at Durham county council are dealing with DEI It’s 1……. Housing lists management… can’t blame that on Dem there nasty immigrants up here!!! Getting rid of LEZ’s… well good luck getting people in Durham city to give up the car free city centre!! So yeah…. Let’s see if they really keep their promises to not put up council tax for the next 4 years… hmmmm | |||
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"First thing will be audits of Council expenditure, with things they find to be a waste of money will be scrapped. There will be challenges, some malcontents will not like being ejected from their decades long gravy trains. I can see the govt kicking back over many things, but I’m sure that they are not permitted to meddle in county council, even local council affairs. So how effective Reforms initial policies are going to be might just depend on outside forces obstructing elected representatives when they are doing their jobs. I hope, that where the government do meddle in county council affairs, that Reform take special care to inform the electorate why they had been prevented from keeping their promises, and by whom. It might actually be a good thing if the establishment, and all those fellow travellers, do interfere and prevent Reform councillors from changing things they don’t like. Because we are building a movement for the future, and the public needs to know what we are up against. Especially if it becomes obvious that peoples votes don’t always count. It’s ammunition for the future." Tbh not sure the government will interfere unless any council tries to implement policies which they don't have the remit for or there are laws that they are intending to break.. So far if we look at the flags issues there's an uphill learning curve for many new councillors etc.. Where it's going pear shaped because of ideology then the government has a duty to keep an eye on how all councils are run as we've seen under the last government.. | |||
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"I have no access to Reform UK’s press office . But they have been elected in Durham, so you can expect to see then making the headlines up their, and as I have already said, outside forces sticking their noses in and preventing Reform from keeping their promises will be held to account. It will be great ammunition in readiness for the rest of the county elections in 2026 and the general election in 2029. It will be like the gift that keeps on giving. Thank you all in advance! "Who are you thanking and why? | |||
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"I have no access to Reform UK’s press office . But they have been elected in Durham, so you can expect to see then making the headlines up their, and as I have already said, outside forces sticking their noses in and preventing Reform from keeping their promises will be held to account. It will be great ammunition in readiness for the rest of the county elections in 2026 and the general election in 2029. It will be like the gift that keeps on giving. Thank you all in advance!
Who are you thanking and why?"I’m thanking Labour and the liberal elite. Because they will deliver us the next election (s). By their fruits we shall know them! | |||
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"I have no access to Reform UK’s press office . But they have been elected in Durham, so you can expect to see then making the headlines up their, and as I have already said, outside forces sticking their noses in and preventing Reform from keeping their promises will be held to account. It will be great ammunition in readiness for the rest of the county elections in 2026 and the general election in 2029. It will be like the gift that keeps on giving. Thank you all in advance!
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I’m thanking Labour and the liberal elite. Because they will deliver us the next election (s).
By their fruits we shall know them!"So every reform council is going to be a roaring success, with the same issues and the same cuts from the last government they are grappling with and barely solvent.. Ok.. | |||
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"I have no access to Reform UK’s press office . But they have been elected in Durham, so you can expect to see then making the headlines up their, and as I have already said, outside forces sticking their noses in and preventing Reform from keeping their promises will be held to account. It will be great ammunition in readiness for the rest of the county elections in 2026 and the general election in 2029. It will be like the gift that keeps on giving. Thank you all in advance!
Who are you thanking and why?
I’m thanking Labour and the liberal elite. Because they will deliver us the next election (s).
By their fruits we shall know them!
So every reform council is going to be a roaring success, with the same issues and the same cuts from the last government they are grappling with and barely solvent..
Ok.."What I was saying, quite literally. Is that the opposition will do everything possible to try and block Reform probably even obstruct them at every chance they get. My theory is, that every time they are banned, obstructed, or blocked, the culprits shall be named, and documented for future proof that progress was halted because of these people. Evidence of corruption at every step of the way! | |||
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"I have no access to Reform UK’s press office . But they have been elected in Durham, so you can expect to see then making the headlines up their, and as I have already said, outside forces sticking their noses in and preventing Reform from keeping their promises will be held to account. It will be great ammunition in readiness for the rest of the county elections in 2026 and the general election in 2029. It will be like the gift that keeps on giving. Thank you all in advance!
Who are you thanking and why?
I’m thanking Labour and the liberal elite. Because they will deliver us the next election (s).
By their fruits we shall know them!
So every reform council is going to be a roaring success, with the same issues and the same cuts from the last government they are grappling with and barely solvent..
Ok.."Pretty much exactly this m Drawing a parallel to Tory and Labour, easier to criticise from the opposition than to make any meaningful progress when you are in govt. As we are now seeing. | |||
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"I have no access to Reform UK’s press office . But they have been elected in Durham, so you can expect to see then making the headlines up their, and as I have already said, outside forces sticking their noses in and preventing Reform from keeping their promises will be held to account. It will be great ammunition in readiness for the rest of the county elections in 2026 and the general election in 2029. It will be like the gift that keeps on giving. Thank you all in advance!
Who are you thanking and why?
I’m thanking Labour and the liberal elite. Because they will deliver us the next election (s).
By their fruits we shall know them!
So every reform council is going to be a roaring success, with the same issues and the same cuts from the last government they are grappling with and barely solvent..
Ok..
What I was saying, quite literally. Is that the opposition will do everything possible to try and block Reform probably even obstruct them at every chance they get.
My theory is, that every time they are banned, obstructed, or blocked, the culprits shall be named, and documented for future proof that progress was halted because of these people. Evidence of corruption at every step of the way!"If.. I'm not a politician but I would think that the last thing the government will do is give reform that sort of ammunition to use against them.. I think with over four years to go and council elections? In that time too they will sit back and watch and wait.. | |||
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"I have no access to Reform UK’s press office . But they have been elected in Durham, so you can expect to see then making the headlines up their, and as I have already said, outside forces sticking their noses in and preventing Reform from keeping their promises will be held to account. It will be great ammunition in readiness for the rest of the county elections in 2026 and the general election in 2029. It will be like the gift that keeps on giving. Thank you all in advance!
Who are you thanking and why?
I’m thanking Labour and the liberal elite. Because they will deliver us the next election (s).
By their fruits we shall know them!
So every reform council is going to be a roaring success, with the same issues and the same cuts from the last government they are grappling with and barely solvent..
Ok..
What I was saying, quite literally. Is that the opposition will do everything possible to try and block Reform probably even obstruct them at every chance they get.
My theory is, that every time they are banned, obstructed, or blocked, the culprits shall be named, and documented for future proof that progress was halted because of these people. Evidence of corruption at every step of the way!
If..
I'm not a politician but I would think that the last thing the government will do is give reform that sort of ammunition to use against them..
I think with over four years to go and council elections? In that time too they will sit back and watch and wait.."Another win if they do that. Reform then go on unopposed. | |||
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"I have no access to Reform UK’s press office . But they have been elected in Durham, so you can expect to see then making the headlines up their, and as I have already said, outside forces sticking their noses in and preventing Reform from keeping their promises will be held to account. It will be great ammunition in readiness for the rest of the county elections in 2026 and the general election in 2029. It will be like the gift that keeps on giving. Thank you all in advance!
Who are you thanking and why?
I’m thanking Labour and the liberal elite. Because they will deliver us the next election (s).
By their fruits we shall know them!
So every reform council is going to be a roaring success, with the same issues and the same cuts from the last government they are grappling with and barely solvent..
Ok..
What I was saying, quite literally. Is that the opposition will do everything possible to try and block Reform probably even obstruct them at every chance they get.
My theory is, that every time they are banned, obstructed, or blocked, the culprits shall be named, and documented for future proof that progress was halted because of these people. Evidence of corruption at every step of the way!
If..
I'm not a politician but I would think that the last thing the government will do is give reform that sort of ammunition to use against them..
I think with over four years to go and council elections? In that time too they will sit back and watch and wait..
Another win if they do that. Reform then go on unopposed."That's not going to happen, they'll be under the spotlight from voters and politicians from the other parties given their lack of experience.. To be expected.. | |||
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"I have no access to Reform UK’s press office . But they have been elected in Durham, so you can expect to see then making the headlines up their, and as I have already said, outside forces sticking their noses in and preventing Reform from keeping their promises will be held to account. It will be great ammunition in readiness for the rest of the county elections in 2026 and the general election in 2029. It will be like the gift that keeps on giving. Thank you all in advance!
Who are you thanking and why?
I’m thanking Labour and the liberal elite. Because they will deliver us the next election (s).
By their fruits we shall know them!
So every reform council is going to be a roaring success, with the same issues and the same cuts from the last government they are grappling with and barely solvent..
Ok..
What I was saying, quite literally. Is that the opposition will do everything possible to try and block Reform probably even obstruct them at every chance they get.
My theory is, that every time they are banned, obstructed, or blocked, the culprits shall be named, and documented for future proof that progress was halted because of these people. Evidence of corruption at every step of the way!
If..
I'm not a politician but I would think that the last thing the government will do is give reform that sort of ammunition to use against them..
I think with over four years to go and council elections? In that time too they will sit back and watch and wait.."If we think of the councils as a means for Reform to tell people why they can't allocate them housing, why they can't do X y and Z with the police, schools and roads, it becomes a very powerful tool. I expect Reform to use all their seats and councils to be making the same noise, Farage needs the ammunition to control the negotiations. | |||
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"I have no access to Reform UK’s press office . But they have been elected in Durham, so you can expect to see then making the headlines up their, and as I have already said, outside forces sticking their noses in and preventing Reform from keeping their promises will be held to account. It will be great ammunition in readiness for the rest of the county elections in 2026 and the general election in 2029. It will be like the gift that keeps on giving. Thank you all in advance!
Who are you thanking and why?
I’m thanking Labour and the liberal elite. Because they will deliver us the next election (s).
By their fruits we shall know them!
So every reform council is going to be a roaring success, with the same issues and the same cuts from the last government they are grappling with and barely solvent..
Ok..
What I was saying, quite literally. Is that the opposition will do everything possible to try and block Reform probably even obstruct them at every chance they get.
My theory is, that every time they are banned, obstructed, or blocked, the culprits shall be named, and documented for future proof that progress was halted because of these people. Evidence of corruption at every step of the way!
If..
I'm not a politician but I would think that the last thing the government will do is give reform that sort of ammunition to use against them..
I think with over four years to go and council elections? In that time too they will sit back and watch and wait..
If we think of the councils as a means for Reform to tell people why they can't allocate them housing, why they can't do X y and Z with the police, schools and roads, it becomes a very powerful tool.
I expect Reform to use all their seats and councils to be making the same noise, Farage needs the ammunition to control the negotiations. "There will be a political narrative, just like any other political party. Fortunately the narrative will not be woke or pc. | |||
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"I have no access to Reform UK’s press office . But they have been elected in Durham, so you can expect to see then making the headlines up their, and as I have already said, outside forces sticking their noses in and preventing Reform from keeping their promises will be held to account. It will be great ammunition in readiness for the rest of the county elections in 2026 and the general election in 2029. It will be like the gift that keeps on giving. Thank you all in advance!
Who are you thanking and why?
I’m thanking Labour and the liberal elite. Because they will deliver us the next election (s).
By their fruits we shall know them!
So every reform council is going to be a roaring success, with the same issues and the same cuts from the last government they are grappling with and barely solvent..
Ok..
What I was saying, quite literally. Is that the opposition will do everything possible to try and block Reform probably even obstruct them at every chance they get.
My theory is, that every time they are banned, obstructed, or blocked, the culprits shall be named, and documented for future proof that progress was halted because of these people. Evidence of corruption at every step of the way!
If..
I'm not a politician but I would think that the last thing the government will do is give reform that sort of ammunition to use against them..
I think with over four years to go and council elections? In that time too they will sit back and watch and wait..
Another win if they do that. Reform then go on unopposed.
That's not going to happen, they'll be under the spotlight from voters and politicians from the other parties given their lack of experience..
To be expected.."Maybe their lack of experience will be an advantage, not a disadvantage. Professional politicians know how to play the blame game. Let’s face it, thats all politics is, the opposition calling out mistakes made by those in power. The notion that people should never make any mistake is laughable. In business about 80% of plans have to be changed or dropped. Yet in government one wrong decision out of ten and there’s calls for them to resign. Hardly conducive to openness and honesty. It’s no wonder politicians lie, if they told the truth they’d get sacked. | |||
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"I have no access to Reform UK’s press office . But they have been elected in Durham, so you can expect to see then making the headlines up their, and as I have already said, outside forces sticking their noses in and preventing Reform from keeping their promises will be held to account. It will be great ammunition in readiness for the rest of the county elections in 2026 and the general election in 2029. It will be like the gift that keeps on giving. Thank you all in advance!
Who are you thanking and why?
I’m thanking Labour and the liberal elite. Because they will deliver us the next election (s).
By their fruits we shall know them!
So every reform council is going to be a roaring success, with the same issues and the same cuts from the last government they are grappling with and barely solvent..
Ok..
What I was saying, quite literally. Is that the opposition will do everything possible to try and block Reform probably even obstruct them at every chance they get.
My theory is, that every time they are banned, obstructed, or blocked, the culprits shall be named, and documented for future proof that progress was halted because of these people. Evidence of corruption at every step of the way!
If..
I'm not a politician but I would think that the last thing the government will do is give reform that sort of ammunition to use against them..
I think with over four years to go and council elections? In that time too they will sit back and watch and wait..
If we think of the councils as a means for Reform to tell people why they can't allocate them housing, why they can't do X y and Z with the police, schools and roads, it becomes a very powerful tool.
I expect Reform to use all their seats and councils to be making the same noise, Farage needs the ammunition to control the negotiations. "Tbh I think people already know why such things are as they are.. Performance in office is how they will be held to account, that's the way of such things.. And central government tackle the issues that reform stood on (which I said on Friday will be a positive outcome ) that diminishes the issue and the scrutiny is more focussed as it should be regardless.. | |||
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"I have no access to Reform UK’s press office . But they have been elected in Durham, so you can expect to see then making the headlines up their, and as I have already said, outside forces sticking their noses in and preventing Reform from keeping their promises will be held to account. It will be great ammunition in readiness for the rest of the county elections in 2026 and the general election in 2029. It will be like the gift that keeps on giving. Thank you all in advance!
Who are you thanking and why?
I’m thanking Labour and the liberal elite. Because they will deliver us the next election (s).
By their fruits we shall know them!
So every reform council is going to be a roaring success, with the same issues and the same cuts from the last government they are grappling with and barely solvent..
Ok..
What I was saying, quite literally. Is that the opposition will do everything possible to try and block Reform probably even obstruct them at every chance they get.
My theory is, that every time they are banned, obstructed, or blocked, the culprits shall be named, and documented for future proof that progress was halted because of these people. Evidence of corruption at every step of the way!
If..
I'm not a politician but I would think that the last thing the government will do is give reform that sort of ammunition to use against them..
I think with over four years to go and council elections? In that time too they will sit back and watch and wait..
Another win if they do that. Reform then go on unopposed.
That's not going to happen, they'll be under the spotlight from voters and politicians from the other parties given their lack of experience..
To be expected..
Maybe their lack of experience will be an advantage, not a disadvantage. Professional politicians know how to play the blame game. Let’s face it, thats all politics is, the opposition calling out mistakes made by those in power. The notion that people should never make any mistake is laughable. In business about 80% of plans have to be changed or dropped. Yet in government one wrong decision out of ten and there’s calls for them to resign. Hardly conducive to openness and honesty. It’s no wonder politicians lie, if they told the truth they’d get sacked. "I can't disagree.. | |||
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"I have no access to Reform UK’s press office . But they have been elected in Durham, so you can expect to see then making the headlines up their, and as I have already said, outside forces sticking their noses in and preventing Reform from keeping their promises will be held to account. It will be great ammunition in readiness for the rest of the county elections in 2026 and the general election in 2029. It will be like the gift that keeps on giving. Thank you all in advance!
Who are you thanking and why?
I’m thanking Labour and the liberal elite. Because they will deliver us the next election (s).
By their fruits we shall know them!
So every reform council is going to be a roaring success, with the same issues and the same cuts from the last government they are grappling with and barely solvent..
Ok..
What I was saying, quite literally. Is that the opposition will do everything possible to try and block Reform probably even obstruct them at every chance they get.
My theory is, that every time they are banned, obstructed, or blocked, the culprits shall be named, and documented for future proof that progress was halted because of these people. Evidence of corruption at every step of the way!"This could well be a tactic they use for the future and looks like they have started already. I'm sure I read the other day that they may challenge the government over housing asylum seekers in their areas. General feeling is they will loose such a challenge but of course then they can show who is stopping changes and also say if they are in government they would be able to make such changes themselves. If effective or not remains to be seen | |||
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"I have no access to Reform UK’s press office . But they have been elected in Durham, so you can expect to see then making the headlines up their, and as I have already said, outside forces sticking their noses in and preventing Reform from keeping their promises will be held to account. It will be great ammunition in readiness for the rest of the county elections in 2026 and the general election in 2029. It will be like the gift that keeps on giving. Thank you all in advance!
Who are you thanking and why?
I’m thanking Labour and the liberal elite. Because they will deliver us the next election (s).
By their fruits we shall know them!
So every reform council is going to be a roaring success, with the same issues and the same cuts from the last government they are grappling with and barely solvent..
Ok..
What I was saying, quite literally. Is that the opposition will do everything possible to try and block Reform probably even obstruct them at every chance they get.
My theory is, that every time they are banned, obstructed, or blocked, the culprits shall be named, and documented for future proof that progress was halted because of these people. Evidence of corruption at every step of the way!
This could well be a tactic they use for the future and looks like they have started already. I'm sure I read the other day that they may challenge the government over housing asylum seekers in their areas. General feeling is they will loose such a challenge but of course then they can show who is stopping changes and also say if they are in government they would be able to make such changes themselves. If effective or not remains to be seen"You did read that and it will expose the government if they block it. | |||
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"I have no access to Reform UK’s press office . But they have been elected in Durham, so you can expect to see then making the headlines up their, and as I have already said, outside forces sticking their noses in and preventing Reform from keeping their promises will be held to account. It will be great ammunition in readiness for the rest of the county elections in 2026 and the general election in 2029. It will be like the gift that keeps on giving. Thank you all in advance!
Who are you thanking and why?
I’m thanking Labour and the liberal elite. Because they will deliver us the next election (s).
By their fruits we shall know them!
So every reform council is going to be a roaring success, with the same issues and the same cuts from the last government they are grappling with and barely solvent..
Ok..
What I was saying, quite literally. Is that the opposition will do everything possible to try and block Reform probably even obstruct them at every chance they get.
My theory is, that every time they are banned, obstructed, or blocked, the culprits shall be named, and documented for future proof that progress was halted because of these people. Evidence of corruption at every step of the way!
This could well be a tactic they use for the future and looks like they have started already. I'm sure I read the other day that they may challenge the government over housing asylum seekers in their areas. General feeling is they will loose such a challenge but of course then they can show who is stopping changes and also say if they are in government they would be able to make such changes themselves. If effective or not remains to be seen
You did read that and it will expose the government if they block it. "Mr trump must of given Mr farage a copy of his book, reform are dealing Labour ace and eight. | |||
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"Reform win in the same week as VE day. The heartbreaking irony. Fascism will be defeated, just as it was then." Fascism is being defeated. Labour will be gone by 2029. By then this Labour government will be the most hated government in the country’s history. Perhaps we could have a new national holiday so we can all celebrate its end. | |||
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"Reform win in the same week as VE day. The heartbreaking irony. Fascism will be defeated, just as it was then. Fascism is being defeated. Labour will be gone by 2029. By then this Labour government will be the most hated government in the country’s history. Perhaps we could have a new national holiday so we can all celebrate its end." ‘By then this Labour government will be the most hated government in the country’s history’ They might be a bit crap but not a chance. There is a reason Margaret Thatcher still evokes feelings of hatred 35 years after she left power after what she did on a minority of votes. | |||
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"Reform win in the same week as VE day. The heartbreaking irony. Fascism will be defeated, just as it was then. Fascism is being defeated. Labour will be gone by 2029. By then this Labour government will be the most hated government in the country’s history. Perhaps we could have a new national holiday so we can all celebrate its end. ‘By then this Labour government will be the most hated government in the country’s history’ They might be a bit crap but not a chance. There is a reason Margaret Thatcher still evokes feelings of hatred 35 years after she left power after what she did on a minority of votes." And many (including myself) still call her the great lady. | |||
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"Reform win in the same week as VE day. The heartbreaking irony. Fascism will be defeated, just as it was then. Fascism is being defeated. Labour will be gone by 2029. By then this Labour government will be the most hated government in the country’s history. Perhaps we could have a new national holiday so we can all celebrate its end. ‘By then this Labour government will be the most hated government in the country’s history’ They might be a bit crap but not a chance. There is a reason Margaret Thatcher still evokes feelings of hatred 35 years after she left power after what she did on a minority of votes. And many (including myself) still call her the great lady." ‘Many’ maybe, but not the majority. | |||
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"Interesting YouGov poll: Reform 29 (+3), Lab 22 (-1), Con 17 (-3), Lib Dem 16 (+1), Green 10 (+1) Is this the point at which Reform replaces the Tories? Amazing that there is still 22% of the population that says it would vote Labour. An alternate universe does exist." Interesting poll & shows how divided the country is (46% Tory/Reform, 48% Lib/Lab/Green) | |||
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"Interesting YouGov poll: Reform 29 (+3), Lab 22 (-1), Con 17 (-3), Lib Dem 16 (+1), Green 10 (+1) Is this the point at which Reform replaces the Tories? Amazing that there is still 22% of the population that says it would vote Labour. An alternate universe does exist. Interesting poll & shows how divided the country is (46% Tory/Reform, 48% Lib/Lab/Green) " It will be even more interesting to see how it pans out with the FPTP system. While Tory and Reform could split the right wing vote, the Greens could also be dangerous for Labour. I could imagine quite a few seats where Reform could beat Labour by say 1000 votes with the Green party being a distant 4th but picking up 2 or 3 thousand that could have gone to Labour. | |||
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"Interesting YouGov poll: Reform 29 (+3), Lab 22 (-1), Con 17 (-3), Lib Dem 16 (+1), Green 10 (+1) Is this the point at which Reform replaces the Tories? Amazing that there is still 22% of the population that says it would vote Labour. An alternate universe does exist. Interesting poll & shows how divided the country is (46% Tory/Reform, 48% Lib/Lab/Green) It will be even more interesting to see how it pans out with the FPTP system. While Tory and Reform could split the right wing vote, the Greens could also be dangerous for Labour. I could imagine quite a few seats where Reform could beat Labour by say 1000 votes with the Green party being a distant 4th but picking up 2 or 3 thousand that could have gone to Labour. " I agree. What would also be interesting is if Reform somehow managed to come out top & with a working overall majority in 2029 (I can’t see it, but let’s go with the possibility) would Farage still be in favour of electoral reform or would it be a case of kicking those aspirations into the long grass once elected & sticking with FPTP I wonder… I honestly think FPTP has well & truly had it’s day personally & this five way split hopefully will hasten its demise. Hoping for a hung parliament & electoral reform next time out myself. | |||
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"Interesting YouGov poll: Reform 29 (+3), Lab 22 (-1), Con 17 (-3), Lib Dem 16 (+1), Green 10 (+1) Is this the point at which Reform replaces the Tories? Amazing that there is still 22% of the population that says it would vote Labour. An alternate universe does exist. Interesting poll & shows how divided the country is (46% Tory/Reform, 48% Lib/Lab/Green) It will be even more interesting to see how it pans out with the FPTP system. While Tory and Reform could split the right wing vote, the Greens could also be dangerous for Labour. I could imagine quite a few seats where Reform could beat Labour by say 1000 votes with the Green party being a distant 4th but picking up 2 or 3 thousand that could have gone to Labour. I agree. What would also be interesting is if Reform somehow managed to come out top & with a working overall majority in 2029 (I can’t see it, but let’s go with the possibility) would Farage still be in favour of electoral reform or would it be a case of kicking those aspirations into the long grass once elected & sticking with FPTP I wonder… I honestly think FPTP has well & truly had it’s day personally & this five way split hopefully will hasten its demise. Hoping for a hung parliament & electoral reform next time out myself." Farage has already said that Reform will want electoral reform even if they win an outright majority. | |||
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"Interesting YouGov poll: Reform 29 (+3), Lab 22 (-1), Con 17 (-3), Lib Dem 16 (+1), Green 10 (+1) Is this the point at which Reform replaces the Tories? Amazing that there is still 22% of the population that says it would vote Labour. An alternate universe does exist. Interesting poll & shows how divided the country is (46% Tory/Reform, 48% Lib/Lab/Green) It will be even more interesting to see how it pans out with the FPTP system. While Tory and Reform could split the right wing vote, the Greens could also be dangerous for Labour. I could imagine quite a few seats where Reform could beat Labour by say 1000 votes with the Green party being a distant 4th but picking up 2 or 3 thousand that could have gone to Labour. I agree. What would also be interesting is if Reform somehow managed to come out top & with a working overall majority in 2029 (I can’t see it, but let’s go with the possibility) would Farage still be in favour of electoral reform or would it be a case of kicking those aspirations into the long grass once elected & sticking with FPTP I wonder… I honestly think FPTP has well & truly had it’s day personally & this five way split hopefully will hasten its demise. Hoping for a hung parliament & electoral reform next time out myself. Farage has already said that Reform will want electoral reform even if they win an outright majority." Well that’s a brave but laudable move because once you have won outright, you tend not to want to change the system. Tony Blair getting Roy Jenkins to look at it after his win in 1997 & then opting to do precisely F all springs to mind. | |||
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"Reform win in the same week as VE day. The heartbreaking irony. Fascism will be defeated, just as it was then." Comparing Reform to the Nazis of WW2, tell me how you got to that conclusion? | |||
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"Interesting YouGov poll: Reform 29 (+3), Lab 22 (-1), Con 17 (-3), Lib Dem 16 (+1), Green 10 (+1) Is this the point at which Reform replaces the Tories? Amazing that there is still 22% of the population that says it would vote Labour. An alternate universe does exist. Interesting poll & shows how divided the country is (46% Tory/Reform, 48% Lib/Lab/Green) It will be even more interesting to see how it pans out with the FPTP system. While Tory and Reform could split the right wing vote, the Greens could also be dangerous for Labour. I could imagine quite a few seats where Reform could beat Labour by say 1000 votes with the Green party being a distant 4th but picking up 2 or 3 thousand that could have gone to Labour. I agree. What would also be interesting is if Reform somehow managed to come out top & with a working overall majority in 2029 (I can’t see it, but let’s go with the possibility) would Farage still be in favour of electoral reform or would it be a case of kicking those aspirations into the long grass once elected & sticking with FPTP I wonder… I honestly think FPTP has well & truly had it’s day personally & this five way split hopefully will hasten its demise. Hoping for a hung parliament & electoral reform next time out myself." FPTP is far from perfect but the alternatives can cause just as many problems. A quick look at Germany right now is a good example. PR tends to make minority party's with very little vote share the king makers. Giving them far more power than their vote deserves. I would describe FPTP as the "least worst" system. | |||
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"Reform win in the same week as VE day. The heartbreaking irony. Fascism will be defeated, just as it was then. Fascism is being defeated. Labour will be gone by 2029. By then this Labour government will be the most hated government in the country’s history. Perhaps we could have a new national holiday so we can all celebrate its end. ‘By then this Labour government will be the most hated government in the country’s history’ They might be a bit crap but not a chance. There is a reason Margaret Thatcher still evokes feelings of hatred 35 years after she left power after what she did on a minority of votes." They are more than just “a bit crap” it’s hard to see how Labour’s performance so far is defensible. They are losing support from their middle of the road voters, it’s happening in real time for all to see. After 14 years in opposition, they had every opportunity to get their act together and offer the country an alternative to "a bit crap". The bar for success was set so low by the tories, yet Labour managed to trip over it and set it lower. | |||
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"Reform win in the same week as VE day. The heartbreaking irony. Fascism will be defeated, just as it was then. Fascism is being defeated. Labour will be gone by 2029. By then this Labour government will be the most hated government in the country’s history. Perhaps we could have a new national holiday so we can all celebrate its end. ‘By then this Labour government will be the most hated government in the country’s history’ They might be a bit crap but not a chance. There is a reason Margaret Thatcher still evokes feelings of hatred 35 years after she left power after what she did on a minority of votes. They are more than just “a bit crap” it’s hard to see how Labour’s performance so far is defensible. They are losing support from their middle of the road voters, it’s happening in real time for all to see. After 14 years in opposition, they had every opportunity to get their act together and offer the country an alternative to "a bit crap". The bar for success was set so low by the tories, yet Labour managed to trip over it and set it lower. " No argument from me. They were elected on a loveless landslide just to start with. They are alienating those who wouldn’t normally vote for them but did last year & are also alienating those on the left who think they are too right wing & probably also enthusing a lot of stay at home Tories to get out and vote next time. They seem to be trying to chase Reform voters at the moment. Complete waste of effort imo | |||
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"Interesting YouGov poll: Reform 29 (+3), Lab 22 (-1), Con 17 (-3), Lib Dem 16 (+1), Green 10 (+1) Is this the point at which Reform replaces the Tories? Amazing that there is still 22% of the population that says it would vote Labour. An alternate universe does exist. Interesting poll & shows how divided the country is (46% Tory/Reform, 48% Lib/Lab/Green) It will be even more interesting to see how it pans out with the FPTP system. While Tory and Reform could split the right wing vote, the Greens could also be dangerous for Labour. I could imagine quite a few seats where Reform could beat Labour by say 1000 votes with the Green party being a distant 4th but picking up 2 or 3 thousand that could have gone to Labour. I agree. What would also be interesting is if Reform somehow managed to come out top & with a working overall majority in 2029 (I can’t see it, but let’s go with the possibility) would Farage still be in favour of electoral reform or would it be a case of kicking those aspirations into the long grass once elected & sticking with FPTP I wonder… I honestly think FPTP has well & truly had it’s day personally & this five way split hopefully will hasten its demise. Hoping for a hung parliament & electoral reform next time out myself. FPTP is far from perfect but the alternatives can cause just as many problems. A quick look at Germany right now is a good example. PR tends to make minority party's with very little vote share the king makers. Giving them far more power than their vote deserves. I would describe FPTP as the "least worst" system." Of course. There is no perfect system. But personally I’d rather have a system where everybody’s vote could in theory end up counting for something. PR is ok as long as the minority coalition partner (s) only enforce a proportional % of their manifesto. I didn’t like all their policies but I thought in general the Lib/Con coalition governed ok. …& can we keep on defending government voted by 33.7% of votes cast & only 20% of the electorate? | |||
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"4 years too soon" Plenty of time for Lab or Con and the rest to dish the dirt so to speak.  | |||
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"I sort of think most of reform are ex conservatives so may not turn out to be all that different, I am waiting for Boris to sign up." Boris will not be accepted, because he betrayed us with his sham BREXIT deal. | |||
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"I sort of think most of reform are ex conservatives so may not turn out to be all that different, I am waiting for Boris to sign up. Boris will not be accepted, because he betrayed us with his sham BREXIT deal. " Agree.
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"I sort of think most of reform are ex conservatives so may not turn out to be all that different, I am waiting for Boris to sign up. Boris will not be accepted, because he betrayed us with his sham BREXIT deal. " Brexit is a shame full stop, we have loat so much. Coming out of the EU. Liberal Democrats for me get us back in. | |||
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"I sort of think most of reform are ex conservatives so may not turn out to be all that different, I am waiting for Boris to sign up. Boris will not be accepted, because he betrayed us with his sham BREXIT deal. Brexit is a shame full stop, we have loat so much. Coming out of the EU. Liberal Democrats for me get us back in." Hopefully if the LibDems ever get into government again we will all get free theme park tickets. It seems to be all Davey ever does. | |||
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"I sort of think most of reform are ex conservatives so may not turn out to be all that different, I am waiting for Boris to sign up. Boris will not be accepted, because he betrayed us with his sham BREXIT deal. Brexit is a shame full stop, we have loat so much. Coming out of the EU. Liberal Democrats for me get us back in. Hopefully if the LibDems ever get into government again we will all get free theme park tickets. It seems to be all Davey ever does. " They didn't get the nickname "Limp Dims" for nothing. | |||
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"I sort of think most of reform are ex conservatives so may not turn out to be all that different, I am waiting for Boris to sign up. Boris will not be accepted, because he betrayed us with his sham BREXIT deal. " So, why is Nigel likely to be much different? | |||
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"I sort of think most of reform are ex conservatives so may not turn out to be all that different, I am waiting for Boris to sign up. Boris will not be accepted, because he betrayed us with his sham BREXIT deal. Brexit is a shame full stop, we have loat so much. Coming out of the EU. Liberal Democrats for me get us back in." BREXIT has never been properly implemented, because every government since 2016 has been majority remainer. Even Boris screwed us over. Fortunately Reform UK will ensure that Britain will be prosperous outside the EU, which is what could and should have happened since the referendum. We are not going back in, the only way the LibDims will ever be useful is when they help us change FPTP to PR. Other than that they are, and will continue to be neither use nor ornament. | |||
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"Can I just remind the reform voters, followers, that their roots are within the racist parties or movements of the 70's and 80's. As young voters who are looking for a different party to follow, I believe may not be aware of Reforms history and may be a reason why they are popular as many may not be aware of the racist history of reform." I would be really interested to hear how you arrived at such an allegation! Reform was formed in 2018 as the Brexit Party. It was Farage's response to what he saw as the UK governments failure to deliver Brexit properly and it was rebranded in 2021 to Reform UK. | |||
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"Can I just remind the reform voters, followers, that their roots are within the racist parties or movements of the 70's and 80's. As young voters who are looking for a different party to follow, I believe may not be aware of Reforms history and may be a reason why they are popular as many may not be aware of the racist history of reform." Don't forget to tell them about Labour's long history of anti-Semitism, and the fact that they're still the only party to have been censured for racism. And don't forget to tell them about all of those Tory MPs that didn't vote for Sunak as leader. Because that has to be racism right? What other reason could it be? | |||
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