As opposed to voters that swing lol
I get that there’s a sizeable chunk of voters in the middle of British politics. What I don’t understand is how so many can change their views so quickly
On the whole, the politics of the major parties doesn’t really change from election to election…
Labour want to increase taxes and increase public spending and tell us it’s only the rich that will have to pay more, but in reality everyone pays more
Lib Dem’s want to increase taxes and increase public spending and say everyone should pay more
Conservatives want to reduce public spending so they can reduce taxes
Over simplified of course and there’s more issues to an election than just tax, but do people really change their mind every election as to which camp they are in?
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By *otMe66Man 14 weeks ago
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I did vote for a different MP in the last election due to the state of the nation under the tories, it felt and was unwise to support a party (conservatives) that had self destructed.
That was then, 10 months later I'm regretting it... |
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"I did vote for a different MP in the last election due to the state of the nation under the tories, it felt and was unwise to support a party (conservatives) that had self destructed.
That was then, 10 months later I'm regretting it..."
I don’t think you’re alone there. My daughter did exactly the same. Neither of us voted in the general election.
There’s no doubt that “fuck ups” can make a person just want to vote against the government, and there were a lot of fuck ups towards the end of the conservatives last term.
But I personally couldn’t vote for an ideology that I just don’t agree with. |
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We saw Roger Daltrey at the Palladium in London last night.
One song's lyrics just about sums it up, although the whole song strikes a chord. Here's the last line...
"Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss"
(Source...Won't get fooled again) |
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"We saw Roger Daltrey at the Palladium in London last night.
One song's lyrics just about sums it up, although the whole song strikes a chord. Here's the last line...
"Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss"
(Source...Won't get fooled again)"
Very true. But so many believe the rhetoric because they want it to be true, so do get fooled again |
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By *otMe66Man 14 weeks ago
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"I did vote for a different MP in the last election due to the state of the nation under the tories, it felt and was unwise to support a party (conservatives) that had self destructed.
That was then, 10 months later I'm regretting it...
I don’t think you’re alone there. My daughter did exactly the same. Neither of us voted in the general election.
There’s no doubt that “fuck ups” can make a person just want to vote against the government, and there were a lot of fuck ups towards the end of the conservatives last term.
But I personally couldn’t vote for an ideology that I just don’t agree with. "
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I don’t think it is that easy to judge the politics of a party. They do change. If the leader is strong then the politics of the party will be the politics of the leader. If the leader is weak then the politics of the party will be the politics of the loudest activists.
The reality is that most parties don’t really want to put out any meaningful positions going into an election because they usually get castigated for it and they would prefer to pitch themselves as some nebulous brand thing that pisses off the least number of people - Labour didn’t really commit to anything in the last election so they could benefit from the “get rid of the tories” vote. The Greens and Reform have both explicitly said they are doing the same thing in this set of elections. I would genuinely struggle to articulate what any party would _actually_ do at the moment if they got into power and I don’t think I am alone in that. |
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"I'm a pragmatic voted and mostly choose on competence.
That must make you current decisions very difficult. There doesn't seem to be a lot of competence out there."
No ! I didn't vote at the last General Election. |
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"As opposed to voters that swing lol
I get that there’s a sizeable chunk of voters in the middle of British politics. What I don’t understand is how so many can change their views so quickly
On the whole, the politics of the major parties doesn’t really change from election to election…
Labour want to increase taxes and increase public spending and tell us it’s only the rich that will have to pay more, but in reality everyone pays more
Lib Dem’s want to increase taxes and increase public spending and say everyone should pay more
Conservatives want to reduce public spending so they can reduce taxes
Over simplified of course and there’s more issues to an election than just tax, but do people really change their mind every election as to which camp they are in?
The Mr"
Not at every election but I did change camps at the last GE due to the Tories performance |
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I like to hope the days are gone, were people just vote for a party because they always have.
Being a swinging voter isn't a bad thing and makes me feel they are looking at policies and deciding what is the best option for them because as we know, the parties stances do change, just like life.
Look at the difference in Tony Blair & Jeremy Corbyn or even now Boris johnson & Kemi Badenoch, so I don't particularly agree that parties don't change.
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"I like to hope the days are gone, were people just vote for a party because they always have.
Being a swinging voter isn't a bad thing and makes me feel they are looking at policies and deciding what is the best option for them because as we know, the parties stances do change, just like life.
Look at the difference in Tony Blair & Jeremy Corbyn or even now Boris johnson & Kemi Badenoch, so I don't particularly agree that parties don't change.
Mrs BC"
Yeah Blair was quite centrist, which is why he was so successful. And at a time the conservatives were going more right wing. The further left a Labour leader has been the less success they’ve had in elections.Two tier Kier is a bit of an exception to the rule but I think the number of people who just wanted rid of the conservative government under Sunak was the deciding factor. So many conservatives just didn’t vote.
Cameron was also quite centrist and would have probably been more successful if he’d not called for the Brexit referendum.
I have always voted for the same party when I have voted. The last one was the first general election I’d not voted in. Not because that’s just what I do, but because that’s what I believe.
The political landscape under Blair was a watered down version of what the bulk of the party wanted. He just convinced them that pitching that would let the conservatives in again. He was right of course. Starmer sold the same idea to the Labour faithful and told the unions he’d give them what they wanted so just keep quiet for a bit. Corbyn tried the same tactic but very few believed it, and of course there was Brexit in the mix.
The conservatives are still yet to get their shit together and their rise in popularity in the polls has more to do with dissatisfaction with the government than it does with their own successes. |
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