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By *madeus999 OP Man
over a year ago
Greater Manchester |
Do you think Landlords have a moral responsibility to not house migrants?. Government incentives are being given to house illegal migrants in local communities. Housing criminals!. I can imagine the leafy subburbs they wouldn't be in. Plus, local social unrest having a full house in your street. Can you imagine what Glasgow, Birmingham, Belfast and London councils will have to burden?. So what's going to happen to the big terrace house in your street up for sale?. |
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"Do you think Landlords have a moral responsibility to not house migrants?. Government incentives are being given to house illegal migrants in local communities. Housing criminals!. I can imagine the leafy subburbs they wouldn't be in. Plus, local social unrest having a full house in your street. Can you imagine what Glasgow, Birmingham, Belfast and London councils will have to burden?. So what's going to happen to the big terrace house in your street up for sale?."
Why?
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"So if a doctor from another country saves your life are you going to complain about then still"
Exactly. Go to the hospital and count how many of the top doctors, consultants and surgeons saving lives are white British. You won’t need many fingers to count! |
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"So if a doctor from another country saves your life are you going to complain about then still
Exactly. Go to the hospital and count how many of the top doctors, consultants and surgeons saving lives are white British. You won’t need many fingers to count!"
The best retort to "fucking migrants coming over here taking our jobs" was, "that surgeon has a PhD and 25 years experience in brain surgery, you dont have a job Kevin, all you’ve got is two CSEs and an STI"
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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago
yumsville |
"Do you think Landlords have a moral responsibility to not house migrants?. Government incentives are being given to house illegal migrants in local communities. Housing criminals!. I can imagine the leafy subburbs they wouldn't be in. Plus, local social unrest having a full house in your street. Can you imagine what Glasgow, Birmingham, Belfast and London councils will have to burden?. So what's going to happen to the big terrace house in your street up for sale?."
It sounds like you need to get out of the suburbs, it might expand your thinking. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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If I were a landlord and the government outsourcer came along and offered me above market rent for five years and all costs paid and renovated the property before handing it back I’d be pretty stupid not to take the money.
Whether it’s the right thing to do for the country is a different matter. Hopefully when the shit hits the fan I’ll have taken the money abroad and will be living somewhere more civilised and watching the UK burn from a distance.
Hopefully this apocalyptic scenario wont happen, as it seems we are just tiding these people over for a few years until they take up their rightful place working for RNHS as brain surgeons.
I blame the education system. The UK is seriously fucked. |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
Terra Firma |
"So if a doctor from another country saves your life are you going to complain about then still
How many PhDs are coming in small boats "
All of them apparently! Well, that’s the argument you get from people who can’t distinguish between an economic migrant exploiting backdoor routes like small boats, and qualified professionals entering legally on a Skilled Worker visa. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"So if a doctor from another country saves your life are you going to complain about then still
Exactly. Go to the hospital and count how many of the top doctors, consultants and surgeons saving lives are white British. You won’t need many fingers to count!
The best retort to "fucking migrants coming over here taking our jobs" was, "that surgeon has a PhD and 25 years experience in brain surgery, you dont have a job Kevin, all you’ve got is two CSEs and an STI"
J"
If you live in a bizarre fantasy world where all migrants have Phds and all British people are thick with sexual diseases I guess that might be reassuring. In the real world irregular migrants are more likely on average to be unskilled and unqualified and more likely to be long term dependent on benefits and social housing. |
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"So if a doctor from another country saves your life are you going to complain about then still
How many PhDs are coming in small boats
All of them apparently! Well, that’s the argument you get from people who can’t distinguish between an economic migrant exploiting backdoor routes like small boats, and qualified professionals entering legally on a Skilled Worker visa. "
The OP asked about the morals of housing migrants. No distinction of illegal or economic as to whether or not they should be allowed a roof over their heads 💜 |
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"Do you think Landlords have a moral responsibility to not house migrants?. Government incentives are being given to house illegal migrants in local communities. Housing criminals!. I can imagine the leafy subburbs they wouldn't be in. Plus, local social unrest having a full house in your street. Can you imagine what Glasgow, Birmingham, Belfast and London councils will have to burden?. So what's going to happen to the big terrace house in your street up for sale?."
The question seems to be whether it’s right for government contracts (via Serco) should be allowed to offer higher than market rents to secure these properties, in effect pricing out local tenants.
And relevant to this discussion, to quote Michael Gove former communities minister; on Airbnb (Feb 2024) planning changes to holiday/airbnb.
‘We have given councils the powers to stop the proliferation of short term lets, which are removing affordable accommodation from supply, and are hollowing out communities.’ |
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By *madeus999 OP Man
over a year ago
Greater Manchester |
So why would a landlord basically hand over a house to illegal migrants who they know don't deserve it?. They would be prioritised over people who have paid into society, worked in the community and are UK citizens. They jump the housing lists. It leads to local tension. It sends out a wrong message that if you cross the channel successfully, we'll give you a house for five years,FREE!. |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
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"So if a doctor from another country saves your life are you going to complain about then still
How many PhDs are coming in small boats
All of them apparently! Well, that’s the argument you get from people who can’t distinguish between an economic migrant exploiting backdoor routes like small boats, and qualified professionals entering legally on a Skilled Worker visa.
The OP asked about the morals of housing migrants. No distinction of illegal or economic as to whether or not they should be allowed a roof over their heads 💜"
The OP did yes but others in the conversation are discussing medically qualified people here in professional visa's with migrants that cross the channel in small boats, hence my input.
Debate in this area falls apart when people conflate the 2, and it is being conflated on every thread on the topic.
Back to the OP, I think buying up large stocks of rental properties for people arriving by small boat is damaging for local people trying to find a place of their own to rent, it is pushing them out of the market by reducing available stock and increasing rents.
Do landlords have a moral duty to say no, of course they don't when our money is being waved under their noses. |
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"So if a doctor from another country saves your life are you going to complain about then still
Exactly. Go to the hospital and count how many of the top doctors, consultants and surgeons saving lives are white British. You won’t need many fingers to count!
The best retort to "fucking migrants coming over here taking our jobs" was, "that surgeon has a PhD and 25 years experience in brain surgery, you dont have a job Kevin, all you’ve got is two CSEs and an STI"
J
If you live in a bizarre fantasy world where all migrants have Phds and all British people are thick with sexual diseases I guess that might be reassuring. In the real world irregular migrants are more likely on average to be unskilled and unqualified and more likely to be long term dependent on benefits and social housing."
I suspect some people confuse migrants with illegal immigrants.
I suspect that regardless of education or qualification, if a UK national is unemployed, a migrant isn't going to take his job.
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More than 1.3 million households in England are currently stuck on waiting lists for a social home, a rise of 10% in the last two years (Shelter)
20,560 social homes were lost in 2023/24, primarily through Right to Buy sales and demolitions, while 19,910 new social homes were delivered, leading to a net loss of 650 homes for social rent.
“Decades of chipping away at our social housing stock has left councils paying out billions to house people who are homeless and more than 160,000 children to grow up in often grotty, overcrowded temporary accommodation. With private rents skyrocketing, communities are being torn apart as people and families are priced out of their local areas – forced to leave their jobs, children’s schools and support networks behind.’
None of this the fault of private landlords. |
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"Do you think Landlords have a moral responsibility to not house migrants?. Government incentives are being given to house illegal migrants in local communities. Housing criminals!. I can imagine the leafy subburbs they wouldn't be in. Plus, local social unrest having a full house in your street. Can you imagine what Glasgow, Birmingham, Belfast and London councils will have to burden?. So what's going to happen to the big terrace house in your street up for sale?."
I'm waiting for the announcement of a newer policy from the labour party, that they will start buying/ building property to house the unwanted guests coming into the country to mitigate from the backlash and unrest this policy wiil encourage, the Labour party do not class them as illegal, and the voters the ones who actually participate in democracy and make it happen don't get democracy but a dictatorship. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"So if a doctor from another country saves your life are you going to complain about then still
Exactly. Go to the hospital and count how many of the top doctors, consultants and surgeons saving lives are white British. You won’t need many fingers to count!
The best retort to "fucking migrants coming over here taking our jobs" was, "that surgeon has a PhD and 25 years experience in brain surgery, you dont have a job Kevin, all you’ve got is two CSEs and an STI"
J
If you live in a bizarre fantasy world where all migrants have Phds and all British people are thick with sexual diseases I guess that might be reassuring. In the real world irregular migrants are more likely on average to be unskilled and unqualified and more likely to be long term dependent on benefits and social housing.
I suspect some people confuse migrants with illegal immigrants.
I suspect that regardless of education or qualification, if a UK national is unemployed, a migrant isn't going to take his job.
J"
60% of legal migrants to UK work in roles classed as low skill, a much higher percentage than British born workers. I couldn't find out how many are brain surgeons.
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By *estivalMan
over a year ago
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"So if a doctor from another country saves your life are you going to complain about then still
Exactly. Go to the hospital and count how many of the top doctors, consultants and surgeons saving lives are white British. You won’t need many fingers to count!
The best retort to "fucking migrants coming over here taking our jobs" was, "that surgeon has a PhD and 25 years experience in brain surgery, you dont have a job Kevin, all you’ve got is two CSEs and an STI"
J"
did that surgeon arrive in a dinghy or did he come here the correct way? |
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"Not all migrants are illegal/criminals.the ones comming in dinghies are illegal and being illegal makes them criminals "
It has been discussed several times in the forum but let’s clarify again. UK is a signatory of “Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees” aka 1951 Refugee Convention
It consist of sections, illegal entry is covered in Article 31(1) which says “The Contracting States shall not impose penalties, on account of their illegal entry or presence, on refugees who enter or are present in their territory without authorisation, provided they present themselves without delay to the authorities and show good cause for their illegal entry or presence.” Good cause definition is left to countries processing asylum applications.
Also, for soft reading: https://news.sky.com/story/amp/what-does-the-un-1951-refugee-convention-say-and-can-you-change-it-12970185
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"It has been discussed several times in the forum but let’s clarify again. UK is a signatory of “Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees” aka 1951 Refugee Convention
It consist of sections, illegal entry is covered in Article 31(1) which says “The Contracting States shall not impose penalties, on account of their illegal entry or presence, on refugees who enter or are present in their territory without authorisation, provided they present themselves without delay to the authorities and show good cause for their illegal entry or presence.” Good cause definition is left to countries processing asylum applications."
That's all correct. However, the fact that they can't be penalised does not mean that they haven't committed a crime. And of course that only applies to those whose asylum claim is accepted, not to those whose claim is rejected. |
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If asylum claim is not accepted then still have some appeal rights. If all exhausted, their status change from Refugee to Appeal Right Exhausted Alien and below applies:
- Access to public funds and housing is usually withdrawn.
- They can be detained or removed at any time. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"So what's going to happen to the big terrace house in your street up for sale?."
The Northampton Chronicle recently reported a Victorian terraced house in a leafy suburb has been granted a licence to become a 9-bed HMO. It is literally joined to a nursery next door. There was massive opposition to it, but it was granted permission anyway. |
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All illegal economic migrants shuld be housed in secure accomodation like ex MOD buildings and should not be allowed to leave until they are processed and deported
Government hammering landlords for years but now want their help - PISS OFF
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By *madeus999 OP Man
over a year ago
Greater Manchester |
I have four HMO terrace houses, all occupied within a hundred metres of me. They look terrible and no care taken with them. All foreign occupied,all awake 24/7 with movement. It's becoming a right tip. |
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No surprise government and Serco are reaching out for accommodation
108,138 people claimed asylum in the UK in 2024, which was 18% more than in 2023 and 5% more than the previous recorded peak of 103,081 in 2002. In 2024, 84,231 claimants were main applicants and 23,907 were dependants (Hm gov ons web)
That’s potentially 84,231 rental dwellings needed (after a net loss of 9000 social rented homes due to right to buy and demolitions - Shelter). Add the previous years and a significant amount of housing and housing benefit to pay the rents. |
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By *madeus999 OP Man
over a year ago
Greater Manchester |
They are scarey figures. I don't think the damage will ever be fixed. Not as if they are going to assimilate into the local community. Local people don't like it and if you express your opinion, you are the worst. The rot has set in,council let's it happen. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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When I was a landlord I was constantly bombarded from organizations and council pushing me to rent the whole block for immigration told them no chance it would be destroyed so glad im out of it |
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If a landlord allows migrants, paid for by the government, they are neglecting their patriotic and moral duties. It will be too easy, so we can expect to see many landlords cashing in on it. They won’t be popular, but it will be a classic case of “pull the ladder up, I’m alright Jack.”
Shame on them… |
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By (user no longer on site) 52 weeks ago
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"If a landlord allows migrants, paid for by the government, they are neglecting their patriotic and moral duties. It will be too easy, so we can expect to see many landlords cashing in on it. They won’t be popular, but it will be a classic case of “pull the ladder up, I’m alright Jack.”
Shame on them…"
it's a business nothing more nothing less what have morals got to do with it profit pays the bills |
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"If a landlord allows migrants, paid for by the government, they are neglecting their patriotic and moral duties. It will be too easy, so we can expect to see many landlords cashing in on it. They won’t be popular, but it will be a classic case of “pull the ladder up, I’m alright Jack.”
Shame on them…"
Patriotic duty?
I suspect you like myself are using a device made abroad and have white goods etc maybe even a car built by a foreign company..?
Is it my patriotic duty to sell one we own made in Germany but keep the Japanese one made here?
Where shall I go on holiday to fulfill my 'patriotic duty', or is our time served in the military taken into account .. |
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"If a landlord allows migrants, paid for by the government, they are neglecting their patriotic and moral duties. It will be too easy, so we can expect to see many landlords cashing in on it. They won’t be popular, but it will be a classic case of “pull the ladder up, I’m alright Jack.”
Shame on them…
Patriotic duty?
I suspect you like myself are using a device made abroad and have white goods etc maybe even a car built by a foreign company..?
Is it my patriotic duty to sell one we own made in Germany but keep the Japanese one made here?
Where shall I go on holiday to fulfill my 'patriotic duty', or is our time served in the military taken into account .."
Ah that old chestnut!
This isn’t about buying foreign goods, it’s about housing immigrants while so many Brits are either homeless or living in damp ridden hovels. There can be no comparison, sorry, |
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This isn’t about buying foreign goods, it’s about housing immigrants while so many Brits are either homeless or living in damp ridden hovels. There can be no comparison, sorry,"
Where are non-citizens supposed to live, then? That banker from Geneva, the student from Holland, that lawyer from New York, that locum doctor from Australia, that nurse from Spain and that builder from Ecuador? |
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"If a landlord allows migrants, paid for by the government, they are neglecting their patriotic and moral duties. It will be too easy, so we can expect to see many landlords cashing in on it. They won’t be popular, but it will be a classic case of “pull the ladder up, I’m alright Jack.”
Shame on them…
Patriotic duty?
I suspect you like myself are using a device made abroad and have white goods etc maybe even a car built by a foreign company..?
Is it my patriotic duty to sell one we own made in Germany but keep the Japanese one made here?
Where shall I go on holiday to fulfill my 'patriotic duty', or is our time served in the military taken into account ..
Ah that old chestnut!
This isn’t about buying foreign goods, it’s about housing immigrants while so many Brits are either homeless or living in damp ridden hovels. There can be no comparison, sorry,"
The lack of affordable social housing is a complicated deep seated issue that has existed for decades, casual use of patriotism and morals is a cop out and lazy..
But not surprising..
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"For me the risk of the flat being destroyed / never getting it back far out weights the offer of easy rent. Not a chance in hell I’d take up this offer."
There is less risk with the government tenants as you will be payed all the time it's occupied. Can take a year or more to get a nonpaying tenant out. |
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