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By *abioMan 5 weeks ago
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"Yes. Same as we should Benjamin Netanyahu given he has international arrest warrants against him for war crimes. "
He doesn’t visit countries that are part of the international criminal court agreement….
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"Yes. Same as we should Benjamin Netanyahu given he has international arrest warrants against him for war crimes. "
Declassified UK (yt) this week revealed Uk military has run 500 sortees identifying targets for Israel to bomb in Gaza, uk taxpayer has paid for this. |
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By *gent Coulson OP Man 5 weeks ago
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"UK law says we can ban someone entering the country who has major criminal convictions.
Should we ban Trump from entering the country
Trump doesn't have major criminal convictions."
convicted on 43 felony charges.
Under New York law, falsification of business records is a crime when the records are altered with an intent to defraud. To be charged as a felony, prosecutors must also show that the offender intended to "commit another crime" or "aid or conceal" another crime when falsifying records. |
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"UK law says we can ban someone entering the country who has major criminal convictions.
Should we ban Trump from entering the country
Trump doesn't have major criminal convictions. convicted on 43 felony charges.
Under New York law, falsification of business records is a crime when the records are altered with an intent to defraud. To be charged as a felony, prosecutors must also show that the offender intended to "commit another crime" or "aid or conceal" another crime when falsifying records."
He's received an unconditional discharge for those offences. Even if he hadn't it seems extremely likely they would have come under the definition of a major crime. |
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By *bi HaiveMan 5 weeks ago
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"UK law says we can ban someone entering the country who has major criminal convictions.
Should we ban Trump from entering the country
Trump doesn't have major criminal convictions. convicted on 43 felony charges.
Under New York law, falsification of business records is a crime when the records are altered with an intent to defraud. To be charged as a felony, prosecutors must also show that the offender intended to "commit another crime" or "aid or conceal" another crime when falsifying records."
People are only banned from entering the UK if they've been convicted of an offence with a prison sentence of 12 months or more.
Because he avoided one of those he'd get in.
Unfortunately. |
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We shouldn't be looking to ban any democratically elected leaders just because we don't like their politics. Our own Government has a responsibility to foster good relationships with all other countries as this is clearly in our national interests. In the case of the US there seems to be a real chance of a trade deal, and unlike Joe Biden Trump does actually seem to like our country.
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By *gent Coulson OP Man 5 weeks ago
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"UK law says we can ban someone entering the country who has major criminal convictions.
Should we ban Trump from entering the country
Trump doesn't have major criminal convictions. convicted on 43 felony charges.
Under New York law, falsification of business records is a crime when the records are altered with an intent to defraud. To be charged as a felony, prosecutors must also show that the offender intended to "commit another crime" or "aid or conceal" another crime when falsifying records.
People are only banned from entering the UK if they've been convicted of an offence with a prison sentence of 12 months or more.
Because he avoided one of those he'd get in.
Unfortunately. "
from ukgov.
Entry can be refused if
within the 12 months prior to the date on which the application is decided, the applicant has been convicted of or admitted an offence for which they received a non-custodial sentenced or other out of court disposal that is recorded on their criminal record (under paragraph 320(18A)
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By *bi HaiveMan 5 weeks ago
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"UK law says we can ban someone entering the country who has major criminal convictions.
Should we ban Trump from entering the country
Trump doesn't have major criminal convictions. convicted on 43 felony charges.
Under New York law, falsification of business records is a crime when the records are altered with an intent to defraud. To be charged as a felony, prosecutors must also show that the offender intended to "commit another crime" or "aid or conceal" another crime when falsifying records.
People are only banned from entering the UK if they've been convicted of an offence with a prison sentence of 12 months or more.
Because he avoided one of those he'd get in.
Unfortunately. from ukgov.
Entry can be refused if
within the 12 months prior to the date on which the application is decided, the applicant has been convicted of or admitted an offence for which they received a non-custodial sentenced or other out of court disposal that is recorded on their criminal record (under paragraph 320(18A)
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I think it may have been updated last year.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/grounds-for-refusal-criminality/grounds-for-refusal-criminality-accessible |
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"UK law says we can ban someone entering the country who has major criminal convictions.
Should we ban Trump from entering the country"
We let in thousands of criminals every year and let them roam the country freely. Yet you want to ban someone that would have 24/7 police supervision?
Agree or disagree with his politics, he’s the president of the US. I don’t have a lot of time for the bloke, I think he’s an idiot who speaks without thinking and potentially dangerous, but out government still have to play ball with him |
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By *gent Coulson OP Man 5 weeks ago
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"I've seen some childish and immature reactions on these forums but banning the democratically elected leader of the USA?
Now I remember why I stopped coming here  "
The question was should we, a rhetorical question, designed to elicit discussion.
The only reason he hasn't served time is because he is Donald Trump, and the courts wanted the case closed.
Plus at 4 years jail time for each offence equaled 136 years |
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He should be extradited back to Scotland, he's an illegal, dreamer multi generational immigrant in America. America isn't his mother land. Like he said just because you're born there doesn't mean you can stay there. |
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"Giving Trump a state visit demeans the King, our institutions, and by extension every one of us. It's just embarrassing to host the idiot."
It doesn’t demean anyone, certainly not me or the king. |
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"I've seen some childish and immature reactions on these forums but banning the democratically elected leader of the USA?
Now I remember why I stopped coming here "
Says more about his skills as a manipulator of voters than it does about the benefits of democracy, unfortunately. |
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"Giving Trump a state visit demeans the King, our institutions, and by extension every one of us. It's just embarrassing to host the idiot.
It doesn’t demean anyone, certainly not me or the king. "
Eh? Here's a guy who's threatened to takeover a country, Canada, of which the King is Constitutional Head of State. The imbecile shouldn't be allowed into our country much less meet be feted by the King. Hopefully there will be noisy protests. |
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By *abioMan 4 weeks ago
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"Trump has been invited by the King, and he will be here, unless Charles gets dragged into the row between the President and some lowlife liberal in Canada."
You don’t think the king is being dragged into it every time he basically calls Canada the 51st state… and basically states his ambition to destroy Canada economically for the advantage of the US
Okay them… hmmmmmm
I think the UK government should be a lot stronger in its wording of support for Canada and can do do so without thinking they are influencing an election
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The monarchy has a long history of hosting dodgy dictators and African despots.
The US is one of the UK’s closest democratic allies and Trump was fairly elected.
No doubt the low IQ rent a mob will be out on the streets (that week it will be Trump, the next trans, the week after Gaza, then the next whatever the middle class poseur cause of the week is).
I guess the more valid question should be why Trump would waste his time visiting a failing European country with a government that demonstrates such contempt for basic freedoms for its citizens. Not a good look for him. |
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By (user no longer on site) 4 weeks ago
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"Yes. Same as we should Benjamin Netanyahu given he has international arrest warrants against him for war crimes. "
In addition to this he has convinced cabinet members who have committed terrorist acts and convicted by Israeli courts |
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"Yes. Same as we should Benjamin Netanyahu given he has international arrest warrants against him for war crimes. "
would be better to let him come here if wants. then we could nick him and let him face the courts |
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