After the success of reform in the recent local elections, one of the comments popular with their opposers was that their inexperience will be a hindrance.
Surely all that councillors do is come up with the ideas, same as MPs. They don’t actually write the legislation etc, that’s done by civil servants.
Every councillor and MP has to have their first day on the job. If we only elected experienced councillors and MPs we’d run out in 40 years or so, what do we do then?
So is being inexperienced in politics actually a bad thing or not? I think a fresh pair of eyes on a problem is nearly always a good thing.
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"After the success of reform in the recent local elections, one of the comments popular with their opposers was that their inexperience will be a hindrance.
Surely all that councillors do is come up with the ideas, same as MPs. They don’t actually write the legislation etc, that’s done by civil servants.
Every councillor and MP has to have their first day on the job. If we only elected experienced councillors and MPs we’d run out in 40 years or so, what do we do then?
So is being inexperienced in politics actually a bad thing or not? I think a fresh pair of eyes on a problem is nearly always a good thing.
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They don't have any baggage as such. They have a clean slate in the minds of many voters, unlike the other main parties. If they deliver at local level, and it's a big if, they could have a majority at the next election |
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By *otMe66Man 7 days ago
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The idea that councillors and MP's need to be experts at X is misleading.
They are firstly public representatives, the voice of the people and they approach issues, budgets, processes etc from the view of their constituents. They will be guided by civil servants and legal input.
Of course, seasoned councillors and MP's will know the ropes but having a fresh pair of eyes on things can be refreshing.
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"So is being inexperienced in politics actually a bad thing or not?"
The difference between an experienced politician and an inexperienced one is the ability to lie, evade and bullshit convincingly. A prime example being Trump. Everyone, other than his own supporters knows full well he's a lying twat that knows nothing other than how to lose money. The worrying thing though is that he has been POTUS twice now  |
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"The difference between an experienced politician and an inexperienced one is the ability to lie, evade and bullshit convincingly. A prime example being Trump. Everyone, other than his own supporters knows full well he's a lying twat that knows nothing other than how to lose money."
It sounds like Trump isn't good at lying and bullshitting convincingly if 'everyone' knows that he's lying. |
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"After the success of reform in the recent local elections, one of the comments popular with their opposers was that their inexperience will be a hindrance.
Surely all that councillors do is come up with the ideas, same as MPs. They don’t actually write the legislation etc, that’s done by civil servants.
Every councillor and MP has to have their first day on the job. If we only elected experienced councillors and MPs we’d run out in 40 years or so, what do we do then?
So is being inexperienced in politics actually a bad thing or not? I think a fresh pair of eyes on a problem is nearly always a good thing.
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Well put it this way 22 Councillors don't Resign after a few days in Office if they are experienced.😁 |
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"After the success of reform in the recent local elections, one of the comments popular with their opposers was that their inexperience will be a hindrance.
Surely all that councillors do is come up with the ideas, same as MPs. They don’t actually write the legislation etc, that’s done by civil servants.
Every councillor and MP has to have their first day on the job. If we only elected experienced councillors and MPs we’d run out in 40 years or so, what do we do then?
So is being inexperienced in politics actually a bad thing or not? I think a fresh pair of eyes on a problem is nearly always a good thing.
Well put it this way 22 Councillors don't Resign after a few days in Office if they are experienced.😁"
As someone who has been (almost) down that road.
It isn't usually a case of experienced or not.
All political party's field what are known as "paper candidates" in seats/wards that are usually unwinnable. I've been one myself on quite a few occasions.
Had I actually won I would have been horrified. My work commitments at the time would have made it impossible for me to take up a council seat. So I would have almost certainly resigned.
After such a landslide in the local elections Reform would have won many a seat which they would not have expected (nay dreamed) to be even close to winning.
I think the 22 you are referring to will have had a "gulp" moment when the result came through and to be fair out nearly 700 new seats won 22 is quite a small number. |
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In my experience the best run and most successful Councils are those where individual Councillors from all parties work together to bring about positive change.
No single Councillor would be able to effect any change without supporters and these may be from any of the parties.
Councils which are divided are often a result of "Alpha Males" used to getting their own way, and if they don't they disrupt.
If one looks at the Reform Parliamentary party, it is the epitomé of such a group, Farage's way or no way as Lowe found out. Farage is a disruptor and promotes his Reform Business in the same way.
I'm doubtful therefore that Reform led councils will achieve much other than infighting. I also suspect that dealing with missed bin collections, potholes and faulty street lamps will not appeal to Reform Councillors who are unlikely to be public service oreintated.
The general election is probably four years away so plenty of time to see how these councils perform.... |
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"In my experience the best run and most successful Councils are those where individual Councillors from all parties work together to bring about positive change.
No single Councillor would be able to effect any change without supporters and these may be from any of the parties.
Councils which are divided are often a result of "Alpha Males" used to getting their own way, and if they don't they disrupt.
If one looks at the Reform Parliamentary party, it is the epitomé of such a group, Farage's way or no way as Lowe found out. Farage is a disruptor and promotes his Reform Business in the same way.
I'm doubtful therefore that Reform led councils will achieve much other than infighting. I also suspect that dealing with missed bin collections, potholes and faulty street lamps will not appeal to Reform Councillors who are unlikely to be public service oreintated.
The general election is probably four years away so plenty of time to see how these councils perform...."
Isn’t your argument slightly contradictory?
On the one hand Farage is the Alpha Male.
On the other all Reform Councillors are also going to be Alpha Males.
If Farage is the Alpha Male aren’t his Councillors likely to be beta simps?
Also, your argument assumes that existing non Reform councillors are more likely to be collaborative. If so they are more likely to have been doing a good job already by your analysis. So why has the electorate got rid of them?
Are we back to the electorate being stupid, unless they pick people you agree with?
If Reform councillors aren’t “public service oriented” why do you think they are wasting their time standing for election, compared say to other candidates? Presumably they aren’t in it for the dismal allowances. |
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