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By (user no longer on site) OP 41 weeks ago
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The Corbyn Sultana outfit seems to have been launched, online at least. Though it doesn’t seem to have a name.
Not an auspicious start.
Who will be joining?
Is this the end of Labour and the Greens?
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By *otMe66Man 41 weeks ago
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Interesting move…
I always saw Starmer as a route back in for the hard left and it was only a matter of time before they started chipping away.
Now with Reform pulling in Labour voters who want immigration control, and Corbyn potentially drawing support from the hard left, Labour’s centre could come under serious pressure.
Starmer already knee-jerked with his language to try to win back Reform defectors. If Corbyn gains any traction, the messaging from No.10 is going to be a hoot. |
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By *otMe66Man 41 weeks ago
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Starmer already knee-jerked with his language to try to win back Reform defectors. If Corbyn gains any traction, the messaging from No.10 is going to be a hoot.
An island of strangers welcomed."
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By (user no longer on site) 41 weeks ago
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"The Corbyn Sultana outfit seems to have been launched, online at least. Though it doesn’t seem to have a name.
Not an auspicious start.
Who will be joining?
Is this the end of Labour and the Greens?
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I’d rather shit in my hands and clap than, vote for steptoe. |
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It would potentially attract some of those who are disenfranchised from the right moving labour. Last election there was quite a lot of tactical voting, so the increased choices of parties could also mean a few percentages of voters shifting around. As winners margins can be small, their existence could readily affect results next time. |
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By *ony 2016Man 41 weeks ago
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"It would potentially attract some of those who are disenfranchised from the right moving labour. Last election there was quite a lot of tactical voting, so the increased choices of parties could also mean a few percentages of voters shifting around. As winners margins can be small, their existence could readily affect results next time. "
Yes could really lead to even more tactical voting than happened at the last General Election , |
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By *9alMan 41 weeks ago
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it will be interesting to see if a number of Labour MPs will join the new party, I suspect a lot of party members will change to the new party as there is little love for Starmer & his right wing agenda |
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"it will be interesting to see if a number of Labour MPs will join the new party, I suspect a lot of party members will change to the new party as there is little love for Starmer & his right wing agenda "
Being pragmatic, i don't think many will at all. Let's face it, the only reason most of the new intake of Labour MP's got elected was because Corbyn wasn't the leader, not because Starmer was the leader. No, i think if this new party gets of the ground at all, it will actually be a launch pad for Diane Abbott. Corbyn knows full well he will never lead a national party. |
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By *abioMan 41 weeks ago
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You probably have the 5 independent mps… plus 1 or 2 of the further left of labour…..
I’m surprised they didn’t join the greens
Reminds me of the group of moderate labour and tories who formed a new party in the Johnson/corbyn era rather than join the lib dems |
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By *otMe66Man 41 weeks ago
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"it will be interesting to see if a number of Labour MPs will join the new party, I suspect a lot of party members will change to the new party as there is little love for Starmer & his right wing agenda "
I think any Labour MP who defects now will come to regret it within four years. The early surge of support, driven by the usual homeless communists who are energised by Zarah Sultana’s marxist rhetoric will fade away to a trickle once the novelty taglines wear off. |
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By (user no longer on site) 41 weeks ago
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"it will be interesting to see if a number of Labour MPs will join the new party, I suspect a lot of party members will change to the new party as there is little love for Starmer & his right wing agenda
I think any Labour MP who defects now will come to regret it within four years. The early surge of support, driven by the usual homeless communists who are energised by Zarah Sultana’s marxist rhetoric will fade away to a trickle once the novelty taglines wear off."
I see the right wing media has already started it's smear campaign. |
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By *ony 2016Man 41 weeks ago
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"it will be interesting to see if a number of Labour MPs will join the new party, I suspect a lot of party members will change to the new party as there is little love for Starmer & his right wing agenda
I think any Labour MP who defects now will come to regret it within four years. The early surge of support, driven by the usual homeless communists who are energised by Zarah Sultana’s marxist rhetoric will fade away to a trickle once the novelty taglines wear off.
I see the right wing media has already started it's smear campaign. "
Can you imagine the press (AND talk TV and GB News) if members of Your Party were jumping on police vans , attacking our boys (and girls) in blue and setting fire to wheelie bins in an attempt to murder
But hey ho let's smear Corbyn |
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By (user no longer on site) OP 41 weeks ago
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"it will be interesting to see if a number of Labour MPs will join the new party, I suspect a lot of party members will change to the new party as there is little love for Starmer & his right wing agenda
I think any Labour MP who defects now will come to regret it within four years. The early surge of support, driven by the usual homeless communists who are energised by Zarah Sultana’s marxist rhetoric will fade away to a trickle once the novelty taglines wear off.
I see the right wing media has already started it's smear campaign. "
Sultana and Corbyn just need to open their mouths.
Nobody needs to waste time and money doing a smear campaign. |
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By *otMe66Man 41 weeks ago
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"it will be interesting to see if a number of Labour MPs will join the new party, I suspect a lot of party members will change to the new party as there is little love for Starmer & his right wing agenda
I think any Labour MP who defects now will come to regret it within four years. The early surge of support, driven by the usual homeless communists who are energised by Zarah Sultana’s marxist rhetoric will fade away to a trickle once the novelty taglines wear off.
I see the right wing media has already started it's smear campaign. "
What good would a smear campaign do, they should be promoting the party, it is going to split labour even further. |
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By (user no longer on site) 41 weeks ago
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"it will be interesting to see if a number of Labour MPs will join the new party, I suspect a lot of party members will change to the new party as there is little love for Starmer & his right wing agenda
I think any Labour MP who defects now will come to regret it within four years. The early surge of support, driven by the usual homeless communists who are energised by Zarah Sultana’s marxist rhetoric will fade away to a trickle once the novelty taglines wear off.
I see the right wing media has already started it's smear campaign.
What good would a smear campaign do, they should be promoting the party, it is going to split labour even further."
They just go after anyone who would offer any meaningful change or who would prioritise British people over big corporate donors. |
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It will make no meaningful change. Many before have tried to set up a new party and it’s never worked out. Regardless of which side of the political divide it is on people will revert back to either labour / conservatives or not giving two hoots and not voting. To have any chance you need to really get the people behind you from the very start. When you start a political party and can’t be even arsed to think of a name, you’re never going to grab the attention of the general public. Sure people who already like Corbin will join him, but that’s not nearly enough for him and this new party to amount to anything. If you can’t get the public behind you, you can’t generate the votes you need. Farage has managed to grab the attention of people who are not normally bothered by what any politician has to say, which come the next election may get a few surprise seats. But two elections after that it will be very much a case of “Farage who?” |
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"500,000 sign ups can't be sniffed at.
At least they promote inclusivity and hope instead of hate and division.
I'll be keeping an open mind"
Are these paid for sign ups? If so that’s a nice little earner.
He’s a popular character with a certain type of person. But he clearly doesn’t have broad popularity or he’d have won the election he fought as leader of what was one of the two parties in a predominantly 2 party system at the time.
Could be a good indicator for Starmer as to whether he steers left or towards the centre over the next couple of years.
Greens, Lib Dem’s, Labour, communist and now this new party. Seems the left struggle to agree with each other very much. |
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"500,000 sign ups can't be sniffed at.
At least they promote inclusivity and hope instead of hate and division.
I'll be keeping an open mind"
Have they openly published their LGBTQ policy yet? There is a massive policy area where their main members are going to disagree on. Then we will know if they really promote inclusivity or not. |
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By (user no longer on site) 40 weeks ago
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"500,000 sign ups can't be sniffed at.
At least they promote inclusivity and hope instead of hate and division.
I'll be keeping an open mind
Are these paid for sign ups? If so that’s a nice little earner.
He’s a popular character with a certain type of person. But he clearly doesn’t have broad popularity or he’d have won the election he fought as leader of what was one of the two parties in a predominantly 2 party system at the time.
Could be a good indicator for Starmer as to whether he steers left or towards the centre over the next couple of years.
Greens, Lib Dem’s, Labour, communist and now this new party. Seems the left struggle to agree with each other very much. "
No I said sign ups. Not payed membership.
It shows an interest not a commitment.
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By (user no longer on site) 40 weeks ago
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"500,000 sign ups can't be sniffed at.
At least they promote inclusivity and hope instead of hate and division.
I'll be keeping an open mind
Have they openly published their LGBTQ policy yet? There is a massive policy area where their main members are going to disagree on. Then we will know if they really promote inclusivity or not."
Wow, Jeremy jam and sultana are homophobic. I suppose it could work as well as antisemitic |
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By *ony 2016Man 40 weeks ago
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"500,000 sign ups can't be sniffed at.
At least they promote inclusivity and hope instead of hate and division.
I'll be keeping an open mind
Are these paid for sign ups? If so that’s a nice little earner.
He’s a popular character with a certain type of person. But he clearly doesn’t have broad popularity or he’d have won the election he fought as leader of what was one of the two parties in a predominantly 2 party system at the time.
Could be a good indicator for Starmer as to whether he steers left or towards the centre over the next couple of years.
Greens, Lib Dem’s, Labour, communist and now this new party. Seems the left struggle to agree with each other very much. "
Interesting fact about Corbyn being unpopular and therefore not winning the 2019 General Election , it was widely reported as the worse result for Labour since the 1930s , however Corbyn's Labour in 2019 received more votes than Milliband's Labour , more than Brown's Labour , more votes than Blair the last time Blair won and more votes than Starmer when Starmer managed to "turn round " a bad defeat into a landslide victory ,, |
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By (user no longer on site) 40 weeks ago
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Exactly, so, even if he could drag the conversation left make labour look left it'll make a difference.
Instead of constantly chasing the right.
Change, means a lot of different things to a lot of different people.
So far they've been changing into Nige if Jeremy can pull them back I'd be happy |
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"500,000 sign ups can't be sniffed at.
At least they promote inclusivity and hope instead of hate and division.
I'll be keeping an open mind
Have they openly published their LGBTQ policy yet? There is a massive policy area where their main members are going to disagree on. Then we will know if they really promote inclusivity or not.
Wow, Jeremy jam and sultana are homophobic. I suppose it could work as well as antisemitic "
They are not. Many among the Gaza independents are known to be socially conservative. From what I know, the Gaza independents are going to be part of this party. Hence my question about how Corbyn is going to come up with policies on this matter. |
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By (user no longer on site) 40 weeks ago
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"500,000 sign ups can't be sniffed at.
At least they promote inclusivity and hope instead of hate and division.
I'll be keeping an open mind
Have they openly published their LGBTQ policy yet? There is a massive policy area where their main members are going to disagree on. Then we will know if they really promote inclusivity or not.
Wow, Jeremy jam and sultana are homophobic. I suppose it could work as well as antisemitic
They are not. Many among the Gaza independents are known to be socially conservative. From what I know, the Gaza independents are going to be part of this party. Hence my question about how Corbyn is going to come up with policies on this matter."
Correct, the Palestinian independent are socially conservative, so why are they for Jeremy? Jeremy and Santana can come up with policy, but I think they want it to be a community led program |
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"500,000 sign ups can't be sniffed at.
At least they promote inclusivity and hope instead of hate and division.
I'll be keeping an open mind
Have they openly published their LGBTQ policy yet? There is a massive policy area where their main members are going to disagree on. Then we will know if they really promote inclusivity or not.
Wow, Jeremy jam and sultana are homophobic. I suppose it could work as well as antisemitic
They are not. Many among the Gaza independents are known to be socially conservative. From what I know, the Gaza independents are going to be part of this party. Hence my question about how Corbyn is going to come up with policies on this matter.
Correct, the Palestinian independent are socially conservative, so why are they for Jeremy? Jeremy and Santana can come up with policy, but I think they want it to be a community led program "
Corbyn already went to bed with the Gaza independents and will most probably rely on them joining the party. If they join the party, what's going to be their stance on social issues? |
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By (user no longer on site) 40 weeks ago
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"500,000 sign ups can't be sniffed at.
At least they promote inclusivity and hope instead of hate and division.
I'll be keeping an open mind
Have they openly published their LGBTQ policy yet? There is a massive policy area where their main members are going to disagree on. Then we will know if they really promote inclusivity or not.
Wow, Jeremy jam and sultana are homophobic. I suppose it could work as well as antisemitic
They are not. Many among the Gaza independents are known to be socially conservative. From what I know, the Gaza independents are going to be part of this party. Hence my question about how Corbyn is going to come up with policies on this matter.
Correct, the Palestinian independent are socially conservative, so why are they for Jeremy? Jeremy and Santana can come up with policy, but I think they want it to be a community led program
Corbyn already went to bed with the Gaza independents and will most probably rely on them joining the party. If they join the party, what's going to be their stance on social issues?"
No idea bruv!;keeping an open mind.
Try it |
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"500,000 sign ups can't be sniffed at.
At least they promote inclusivity and hope instead of hate and division.
I'll be keeping an open mind
Have they openly published their LGBTQ policy yet? There is a massive policy area where their main members are going to disagree on. Then we will know if they really promote inclusivity or not.
Wow, Jeremy jam and sultana are homophobic. I suppose it could work as well as antisemitic
They are not. Many among the Gaza independents are known to be socially conservative. From what I know, the Gaza independents are going to be part of this party. Hence my question about how Corbyn is going to come up with policies on this matter.
Correct, the Palestinian independent are socially conservative, so why are they for Jeremy? Jeremy and Santana can come up with policy, but I think they want it to be a community led program
Corbyn already went to bed with the Gaza independents and will most probably rely on them joining the party. If they join the party, what's going to be their stance on social issues?
No idea bruv!;keeping an open mind.
Try it "
What does this have to do with keeping an open mind? |
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"500,000 sign ups can't be sniffed at.
At least they promote inclusivity and hope instead of hate and division.
I'll be keeping an open mind"
We spoke to one member today. He's a right wing guy with a sense of humour & mischief. Thought that signing up was a great joke and looks forward to causing much mischief within the party... |
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By *ony 2016Man 40 weeks ago
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"500,000 sign ups can't be sniffed at.
At least they promote inclusivity and hope instead of hate and division.
I'll be keeping an open mind
We spoke to one member today. He's a right wing guy with a sense of humour & mischief. Thought that signing up was a great joke and looks forward to causing much mischief within the party..."
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"500,000 sign ups can't be sniffed at.
At least they promote inclusivity and hope instead of hate and division.
I'll be keeping an open mind
We spoke to one member today. He's a right wing guy with a sense of humour & mischief. Thought that signing up was a great joke and looks forward to causing much mischief within the party...
499,999-1 "
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Last month, Sultana said Corbyn capitulated on antisemitism definition.
This month, Adnan Hussain tweeted that trans women shouldn't be allowed in women's safe spaces while Sultana, instead of replying directly to the tweet said that she will always be in support of the trans people and bigotry has no place in the party.
Will this party last long enough to even come up with a name? |
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By *9alMan 35 weeks ago
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"Last month, Sultana said Corbyn capitulated on antisemitism definition.
This month, Adnan Hussain tweeted that trans women shouldn't be allowed in women's safe spaces while Sultana, instead of replying directly to the tweet said that she will always be in support of the trans people and bigotry has no place in the party.
Will this party last long enough to even come up with a name?"
it is healthy to have a range of views on some subjects. The labour party by contrast is becoming "the thoughts of chairman Starmer"anyone who disagrees is thrown out of the party |
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"The Corbyn Sultana outfit seems to have been launched, online at least. Though it doesn’t seem to have a name.
Not an auspicious start.
Who will be joining?
Is this the end of Labour and the Greens?
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Why just Labour? What about the Tories several of their MPs have already defected to Reform and let's be honest Reform probably has alot more in common with the Tories than Labour.
So is this just wishful thinking on your behalf? |
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"The Corbyn Sultana outfit seems to have been launched, online at least. Though it doesn’t seem to have a name.
Not an auspicious start.
Who will be joining?
Is this the end of Labour and the Greens?
Why just Labour? What about the Tories several of their MPs have already defected to Reform and let's be honest Reform probably has alot more in common with the Tories than Labour.
So is this just wishful thinking on your behalf?"
this, reform is now so full of tory defectors they have become the party who broke britain without ever being in government. |
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By *ony 2016Man 34 weeks ago
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In his speech at the Reform/ Brexit party / UKIP conference Farage pointed out that Corbyn's party didn't as yet have a name , but didn't say wether or not the Reform / Brexit Party / UKIP party had finally decided on Reform as their forever name |
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