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By (user no longer on site) OP 38 weeks ago
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1 Fears of a massive non-dom exodus have been alleviated by initial tax data, the total number leaving the country ar in line with or even below official forecast HM revenue and customs payroll data has found no evidence to suggest more non-doms left Britain in response to Rachael Reeves 2024 budget than official predictions.
2 Most UK agriculture estates can shoulder the inheritance tax without selling off the farm. Family farms will be largely protected. 8 out of 10 farm estates affected by changes to the tax regime will be able to pay their entire bill using non farm assets.
3 And this more private schools now than their was when they introduced the VAT.
And I bet all the columnists and pundits and grifters will be queuing up to tell you the truth |
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"1 Fears of a massive non-dom exodus have been alleviated by initial tax data, the total number leaving the country ar in line with or even below official forecast HM revenue and customs payroll data has found no evidence to suggest more non-doms left Britain in response to Rachael Reeves 2024 budget than official predictions.
2 Most UK agriculture estates can shoulder the inheritance tax without selling off the farm. Family farms will be largely protected. 8 out of 10 farm estates affected by changes to the tax regime will be able to pay their entire bill using non farm assets.
3 And this more private schools now than their was when they introduced the VAT.
And I bet all the columnists and pundits and grifters will be queuing up to tell you the truth "
I would say all farms are now in a trust 2025 and won't be paying the inheritance tax after 2032 the 7 year rule, at 500 million a year from 2026 estimated return to the treasury their figures, will only bring in 3 billion and change in total over 16 years my figures. |
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"1 Fears of a massive non-dom exodus have been alleviated by initial tax data, the total number leaving the country ar in line with or even below official forecast HM revenue and customs payroll data has found no evidence to suggest more non-doms left Britain in response to Rachael Reeves 2024 budget than official predictions.
2 Most UK agriculture estates can shoulder the inheritance tax without selling off the farm. Family farms will be largely protected. 8 out of 10 farm estates affected by changes to the tax regime will be able to pay their entire bill using non farm assets.
3 And this more private schools now than their was when they introduced the VAT.
And I bet all the columnists and pundits and grifters will be queuing up to tell you the truth
I would say all farms are now in a trust 2025 and won't be paying the inheritance tax after 2032 the 7 year rule, at 500 million a year from 2026 estimated return to the treasury their figures, will only bring in 3 billion and change in total over 16 years my figures."
Most family farms won't be worth 5 million that's the point.
The ones that are worth 5 million will be large scale businesses either in trust or taxable. |
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By *otMe66Man 38 weeks ago
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1) I'm unsure how this can be called out now when HMRC would not be receiving self assessments for 2024 / 2025 until Jan 2026. HMRC have also previously said that non-dom analysis lags 12 months behind a full tax cycle.
2) The idea that someone dies and the person who inherits the farm is required to sell off their assets to continue working the farm, is not something I agree with. The better solution would be to add 40% inheritance tax if the farm was not worked and was sold within 4 years of the death.
3) Your last point on schools, I can't see anything to say there are indeed, more. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP 38 weeks ago
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"1) I'm unsure how this can be called out now when HMRC would not be receiving self assessments for 2024 / 2025 until Jan 2026. HMRC have also previously said that non-dom analysis lags 12 months behind a full tax cycle.
2) The idea that someone dies and the person who inherits the farm is required to sell off their assets to continue working the farm, is not something I agree with. The better solution would be to add 40% inheritance tax if the farm was not worked and was sold within 4 years of the death.
3) Your last point on schools, I can't see anything to say there are indeed, more."
Then your issue is with the FT and Google is your friend for the third.
Numbers of private schools have increased year on year including 2025
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By (user no longer on site) OP 38 weeks ago
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"Couple of billion there for sure
Just another £48bn to find "
Here come the patriots talking Britain down.
Growth in every quarter since Reeves budget.
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By *otMe66Man 38 weeks ago
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"1) I'm unsure how this can be called out now when HMRC would not be receiving self assessments for 2024 / 2025 until Jan 2026. HMRC have also previously said that non-dom analysis lags 12 months behind a full tax cycle.
2) The idea that someone dies and the person who inherits the farm is required to sell off their assets to continue working the farm, is not something I agree with. The better solution would be to add 40% inheritance tax if the farm was not worked and was sold within 4 years of the death.
3) Your last point on schools, I can't see anything to say there are indeed, more.
Then your issue is with the FT and Google is your friend for the third.
Numbers of private schools have increased year on year including 2025
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I have no issues with the FT, I will wait until Q1 end 26 to get the correct data.
I have googled point 3, and what google is telling me is the number of private schools have increased year on year including 2025 (which is what you put) However, the numbers of pupils attending private schools has dropped by 11000 over the last 12 months.
Which paints a very different picture..
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"1) I'm unsure how this can be called out now when HMRC would not be receiving self assessments for 2024 / 2025 until Jan 2026. HMRC have also previously said that non-dom analysis lags 12 months behind a full tax cycle.
2) The idea that someone dies and the person who inherits the farm is required to sell off their assets to continue working the farm, is not something I agree with. The better solution would be to add 40% inheritance tax if the farm was not worked and was sold within 4 years of the death.
3) Your last point on schools, I can't see anything to say there are indeed, more.
Then your issue is with the FT and Google is your friend for the third.
Numbers of private schools have increased year on year including 2025
I have no issues with the FT, I will wait until Q1 end 26 to get the correct data.
I have googled point 3, and what google is telling me is the number of private schools have increased year on year including 2025 (which is what you put) However, the numbers of pupils attending private schools has dropped by 11000 over the last 12 months.
Which paints a very different picture..
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By (user no longer on site) OP 38 weeks ago
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"1) I'm unsure how this can be called out now when HMRC would not be receiving self assessments for 2024 / 2025 until Jan 2026. HMRC have also previously said that non-dom analysis lags 12 months behind a full tax cycle.
2) The idea that someone dies and the person who inherits the farm is required to sell off their assets to continue working the farm, is not something I agree with. The better solution would be to add 40% inheritance tax if the farm was not worked and was sold within 4 years of the death.
3) Your last point on schools, I can't see anything to say there are indeed, more.
Then your issue is with the FT and Google is your friend for the third.
Numbers of private schools have increased year on year including 2025
I have no issues with the FT, I will wait until Q1 end 26 to get the correct data.
I have googled point 3, and what google is telling me is the number of private schools have increased year on year including 2025 (which is what you put) However, the numbers of pupils attending private schools has dropped by 11000 over the last 12 months.
Which paints a very different picture..
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Lol. More schools less pupils. From the self confessed master of capitalism...
Ok ok ok, so if we're waiting untill it's Q1 2026 for Rachel Reeves
Who we saying is responsible for the USA booming economy? |
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By *otMe66Man 38 weeks ago
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"1) I'm unsure how this can be called out now when HMRC would not be receiving self assessments for 2024 / 2025 until Jan 2026. HMRC have also previously said that non-dom analysis lags 12 months behind a full tax cycle.
2) The idea that someone dies and the person who inherits the farm is required to sell off their assets to continue working the farm, is not something I agree with. The better solution would be to add 40% inheritance tax if the farm was not worked and was sold within 4 years of the death.
3) Your last point on schools, I can't see anything to say there are indeed, more.
Then your issue is with the FT and Google is your friend for the third.
Numbers of private schools have increased year on year including 2025
I have no issues with the FT, I will wait until Q1 end 26 to get the correct data.
I have googled point 3, and what google is telling me is the number of private schools have increased year on year including 2025 (which is what you put) However, the numbers of pupils attending private schools has dropped by 11000 over the last 12 months.
Which paints a very different picture..
Lol. More schools less pupils. From the self confessed master of capitalism...
Ok ok ok, so if we're waiting untill it's Q1 2026 for Rachel Reeves
Who we saying is responsible for the USA booming economy?"
More provate schools is not just as you imagine private schools, Winchester, Radley etc. They are also community based schools, schools offering specific teaching methods, and SEND as an example.
Not sure of the question ref Reeves and the US. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP 38 weeks ago
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"So is the USA booming economy down to Mango Mussolini?
What has this got to do with the 3 points you posted"
It's called conversation.
Either an economy can be attributed to the government of the time in 6 months or it can't.
Either UK economy is down to Starmer/Reeves and the USA economy is down to Trump or we wait until Q1 2026 for an accurate picture and it's down to Sunak/Hunt and Biden respectively.
Which is it? |
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By *otMe66Man 38 weeks ago
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"So is the USA booming economy down to Mango Mussolini?
What has this got to do with the 3 points you posted
It's called conversation.
Either an economy can be attributed to the government of the time in 6 months or it can't.
Either UK economy is down to Starmer/Reeves and the USA economy is down to Trump or we wait until Q1 2026 for an accurate picture and it's down to Sunak/Hunt and Biden respectively.
Which is it?"
I have mentioned many times we need to wait until October, the reason for that is to get the actuals.
However, information based on policy and results from the markets can help predict what some outcomes can are going to be. The non-dom situation however is not soemthing anyone will know for sure as it is individuals making decisions that are not in the public domain, hence the 12 month lag. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP 38 weeks ago
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"So is the USA booming economy down to Mango Mussolini?
What has this got to do with the 3 points you posted
It's called conversation.
Either an economy can be attributed to the government of the time in 6 months or it can't.
Either UK economy is down to Starmer/Reeves and the USA economy is down to Trump or we wait until Q1 2026 for an accurate picture and it's down to Sunak/Hunt and Biden respectively.
Which is it?
I have mentioned many times we need to wait until October, the reason for that is to get the actuals.
However, information based on policy and results from the markets can help predict what some outcomes can are going to be. The non-dom situation however is not soemthing anyone will know for sure as it is individuals making decisions that are not in the public domain, hence the 12 month lag. "
Sure, sure, however, you sleep!
Now tell me the USA Biden left Trump a storming economy and we need to wait for the tariffs to feed through right? |
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By (user no longer on site) 38 weeks ago
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"So is the USA booming economy down to Mango Mussolini?
What has this got to do with the 3 points you posted
It's called conversation.
Either an economy can be attributed to the government of the time in 6 months or it can't.
Either UK economy is down to Starmer/Reeves and the USA economy is down to Trump or we wait until Q1 2026 for an accurate picture and it's down to Sunak/Hunt and Biden respectively.
Which is it?
I have mentioned many times we need to wait until October, the reason for that is to get the actuals.
However, information based on policy and results from the markets can help predict what some outcomes can are going to be. The non-dom situation however is not soemthing anyone will know for sure as it is individuals making decisions that are not in the public domain, hence the 12 month lag.
Sure, sure, however, you sleep!
Now tell me the USA Biden left Trump a storming economy and we need to wait for the tariffs to feed through right?"
Latest annualised growth rates:
UK: 1.2%
US: 3% |
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By (user no longer on site) OP 38 weeks ago
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"So is the USA booming economy down to Mango Mussolini?
What has this got to do with the 3 points you posted
It's called conversation.
Either an economy can be attributed to the government of the time in 6 months or it can't.
Either UK economy is down to Starmer/Reeves and the USA economy is down to Trump or we wait until Q1 2026 for an accurate picture and it's down to Sunak/Hunt and Biden respectively.
Which is it?
I have mentioned many times we need to wait until October, the reason for that is to get the actuals.
However, information based on policy and results from the markets can help predict what some outcomes can are going to be. The non-dom situation however is not soemthing anyone will know for sure as it is individuals making decisions that are not in the public domain, hence the 12 month lag.
Sure, sure, however, you sleep!
Now tell me the USA Biden left Trump a storming economy and we need to wait for the tariffs to feed through right?
Latest annualised growth rates:
UK: 1.2%
US: 3%"
The population of Britain 75% smaller than the USA
What's your point?
My point is that you can't be a fan of current growth in USA and wait for the UK government....on perpetuity waiting for a failure just because the colour of the rosette doesn't fit your world view.
Either the data is right or it isn't |
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"1 Fears of a massive non-dom exodus have been alleviated by initial tax data, the total number leaving the country ar in line with or even below official forecast HM revenue and customs payroll data has found no evidence to suggest more non-doms left Britain in response to Rachael Reeves 2024 budget than official predictions.
2 Most UK agriculture estates can shoulder the inheritance tax without selling off the farm. Family farms will be largely protected. 8 out of 10 farm estates affected by changes to the tax regime will be able to pay their entire bill using non farm assets.
3 And this more private schools now than their was when they introduced the VAT.
And I bet all the columnists and pundits and grifters will be queuing up to tell you the truth "
This is brilliant news. Now that the £50 billion black hole is filled we can expect tax cuts, reduction in borrowing, a reduction in the deficit and an increase in government spending on everything.
😉
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By *otMe66Man 38 weeks ago
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"So is the USA booming economy down to Mango Mussolini?
What has this got to do with the 3 points you posted
It's called conversation.
Either an economy can be attributed to the government of the time in 6 months or it can't.
Either UK economy is down to Starmer/Reeves and the USA economy is down to Trump or we wait until Q1 2026 for an accurate picture and it's down to Sunak/Hunt and Biden respectively.
Which is it?
I have mentioned many times we need to wait until October, the reason for that is to get the actuals.
However, information based on policy and results from the markets can help predict what some outcomes can are going to be. The non-dom situation however is not soemthing anyone will know for sure as it is individuals making decisions that are not in the public domain, hence the 12 month lag.
Sure, sure, however, you sleep!
Now tell me the USA Biden left Trump a storming economy and we need to wait for the tariffs to feed through right?
Latest annualised growth rates:
UK: 1.2%
US: 3%
The population of Britain 75% smaller than the USA
What's your point?
My point is that you can't be a fan of current growth in USA and wait for the UK government....on perpetuity waiting for a failure just because the colour of the rosette doesn't fit your world view.
Either the data is right or it isn't "
I'm getting confused now! Are you asking yourself questions? |
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By (user no longer on site) 38 weeks ago
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"So is the USA booming economy down to Mango Mussolini?
What has this got to do with the 3 points you posted
It's called conversation.
Either an economy can be attributed to the government of the time in 6 months or it can't.
Either UK economy is down to Starmer/Reeves and the USA economy is down to Trump or we wait until Q1 2026 for an accurate picture and it's down to Sunak/Hunt and Biden respectively.
Which is it?
I have mentioned many times we need to wait until October, the reason for that is to get the actuals.
However, information based on policy and results from the markets can help predict what some outcomes can are going to be. The non-dom situation however is not soemthing anyone will know for sure as it is individuals making decisions that are not in the public domain, hence the 12 month lag.
Sure, sure, however, you sleep!
Now tell me the USA Biden left Trump a storming economy and we need to wait for the tariffs to feed through right?
Latest annualised growth rates:
UK: 1.2%
US: 3%
The population of Britain 75% smaller than the USA
What's your point?
My point is that you can't be a fan of current growth in USA and wait for the UK government....on perpetuity waiting for a failure just because the colour of the rosette doesn't fit your world view.
Either the data is right or it isn't "
Good to hear that Brexit Britain is such a success.
I’m sorry that you don’t understand complex things like how percentages work. |
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"1 Fears of a massive non-dom exodus have been alleviated by initial tax data, the total number leaving the country ar in line with or even below official forecast HM revenue and customs payroll data has found no evidence to suggest more non-doms left Britain in response to Rachael Reeves 2024 budget than official predictions.
2 Most UK agriculture estates can shoulder the inheritance tax without selling off the farm. Family farms will be largely protected. 8 out of 10 farm estates affected by changes to the tax regime will be able to pay their entire bill using non farm assets.
3 And this more private schools now than their was when they introduced the VAT.
And I bet all the columnists and pundits and grifters will be queuing up to tell you the truth
This is brilliant news. Now that the £50 billion black hole is filled we can expect tax cuts, reduction in borrowing, a reduction in the deficit and an increase in government spending on everything.
😉
"
Nah.. Don't spoil the party by asking real questions that matter. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP 38 weeks ago
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"So is the USA booming economy down to Mango Mussolini?
What has this got to do with the 3 points you posted
It's called conversation.
Either an economy can be attributed to the government of the time in 6 months or it can't.
Either UK economy is down to Starmer/Reeves and the USA economy is down to Trump or we wait until Q1 2026 for an accurate picture and it's down to Sunak/Hunt and Biden respectively.
Which is it?
I have mentioned many times we need to wait until October, the reason for that is to get the actuals.
However, information based on policy and results from the markets can help predict what some outcomes can are going to be. The non-dom situation however is not soemthing anyone will know for sure as it is individuals making decisions that are not in the public domain, hence the 12 month lag.
Sure, sure, however, you sleep!
Now tell me the USA Biden left Trump a storming economy and we need to wait for the tariffs to feed through right?
Latest annualised growth rates:
UK: 1.2%
US: 3%
The population of Britain 75% smaller than the USA
What's your point?
My point is that you can't be a fan of current growth in USA and wait for the UK government....on perpetuity waiting for a failure just because the colour of the rosette doesn't fit your world view.
Either the data is right or it isn't
I'm getting confused now! Are you asking yourself questions?"
No still you!!
Is the USA economy attributed to trump?
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By (user no longer on site) OP 38 weeks ago
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"So is the USA booming economy down to Mango Mussolini?
What has this got to do with the 3 points you posted
It's called conversation.
Either an economy can be attributed to the government of the time in 6 months or it can't.
Either UK economy is down to Starmer/Reeves and the USA economy is down to Trump or we wait until Q1 2026 for an accurate picture and it's down to Sunak/Hunt and Biden respectively.
Which is it?
I have mentioned many times we need to wait until October, the reason for that is to get the actuals.
However, information based on policy and results from the markets can help predict what some outcomes can are going to be. The non-dom situation however is not soemthing anyone will know for sure as it is individuals making decisions that are not in the public domain, hence the 12 month lag.
Sure, sure, however, you sleep!
Now tell me the USA Biden left Trump a storming economy and we need to wait for the tariffs to feed through right?
Latest annualised growth rates:
UK: 1.2%
US: 3%
The population of Britain 75% smaller than the USA
What's your point?
My point is that you can't be a fan of current growth in USA and wait for the UK government....on perpetuity waiting for a failure just because the colour of the rosette doesn't fit your world view.
Either the data is right or it isn't
Good to hear that Brexit Britain is such a success.
I’m sorry that you don’t understand complex things like how percentages work."
Seeing as 1.5 is 50% of 3 and UK is 75% smaller than the USA who needs help? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP 38 weeks ago
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"1 Fears of a massive non-dom exodus have been alleviated by initial tax data, the total number leaving the country ar in line with or even below official forecast HM revenue and customs payroll data has found no evidence to suggest more non-doms left Britain in response to Rachael Reeves 2024 budget than official predictions.
2 Most UK agriculture estates can shoulder the inheritance tax without selling off the farm. Family farms will be largely protected. 8 out of 10 farm estates affected by changes to the tax regime will be able to pay their entire bill using non farm assets.
3 And this more private schools now than their was when they introduced the VAT.
And I bet all the columnists and pundits and grifters will be queuing up to tell you the truth
This is brilliant news. Now that the £50 billion black hole is filled we can expect tax cuts, reduction in borrowing, a reduction in the deficit and an increase in government spending on everything.
😉
"
Not sure you can read, it means it's the same but it is good news because it isn't less |
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By (user no longer on site) 38 weeks ago
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"So is the USA booming economy down to Mango Mussolini?
What has this got to do with the 3 points you posted
It's called conversation.
Either an economy can be attributed to the government of the time in 6 months or it can't.
Either UK economy is down to Starmer/Reeves and the USA economy is down to Trump or we wait until Q1 2026 for an accurate picture and it's down to Sunak/Hunt and Biden respectively.
Which is it?
I have mentioned many times we need to wait until October, the reason for that is to get the actuals.
However, information based on policy and results from the markets can help predict what some outcomes can are going to be. The non-dom situation however is not soemthing anyone will know for sure as it is individuals making decisions that are not in the public domain, hence the 12 month lag.
Sure, sure, however, you sleep!
Now tell me the USA Biden left Trump a storming economy and we need to wait for the tariffs to feed through right?
Latest annualised growth rates:
UK: 1.2%
US: 3%
The population of Britain 75% smaller than the USA
What's your point?
My point is that you can't be a fan of current growth in USA and wait for the UK government....on perpetuity waiting for a failure just because the colour of the rosette doesn't fit your world view.
Either the data is right or it isn't
Good to hear that Brexit Britain is such a success.
I’m sorry that you don’t understand complex things like how percentages work.
Seeing as 1.5 is 50% of 3 and UK is 75% smaller than the USA who needs help?"
So you think the UK economy is actually growing faster than the US economy? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP 38 weeks ago
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"So is the USA booming economy down to Mango Mussolini?
What has this got to do with the 3 points you posted
It's called conversation.
Either an economy can be attributed to the government of the time in 6 months or it can't.
Either UK economy is down to Starmer/Reeves and the USA economy is down to Trump or we wait until Q1 2026 for an accurate picture and it's down to Sunak/Hunt and Biden respectively.
Which is it?
I have mentioned many times we need to wait until October, the reason for that is to get the actuals.
However, information based on policy and results from the markets can help predict what some outcomes can are going to be. The non-dom situation however is not soemthing anyone will know for sure as it is individuals making decisions that are not in the public domain, hence the 12 month lag.
Sure, sure, however, you sleep!
Now tell me the USA Biden left Trump a storming economy and we need to wait for the tariffs to feed through right?
Latest annualised growth rates:
UK: 1.2%
US: 3%
The population of Britain 75% smaller than the USA
What's your point?
My point is that you can't be a fan of current growth in USA and wait for the UK government....on perpetuity waiting for a failure just because the colour of the rosette doesn't fit your world view.
Either the data is right or it isn't
Good to hear that Brexit Britain is such a success.
I’m sorry that you don’t understand complex things like how percentages work.
Seeing as 1.5 is 50% of 3 and UK is 75% smaller than the USA who needs help?
So you think the UK economy is actually growing faster than the US economy?"
Sorry, what, pardon?
Gaslighter in chief
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By (user no longer on site) 38 weeks ago
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"So is the USA booming economy down to Mango Mussolini?
What has this got to do with the 3 points you posted
It's called conversation.
Either an economy can be attributed to the government of the time in 6 months or it can't.
Either UK economy is down to Starmer/Reeves and the USA economy is down to Trump or we wait until Q1 2026 for an accurate picture and it's down to Sunak/Hunt and Biden respectively.
Which is it?
I have mentioned many times we need to wait until October, the reason for that is to get the actuals.
However, information based on policy and results from the markets can help predict what some outcomes can are going to be. The non-dom situation however is not soemthing anyone will know for sure as it is individuals making decisions that are not in the public domain, hence the 12 month lag.
Sure, sure, however, you sleep!
Now tell me the USA Biden left Trump a storming economy and we need to wait for the tariffs to feed through right?
Latest annualised growth rates:
UK: 1.2%
US: 3%
The population of Britain 75% smaller than the USA
What's your point?
My point is that you can't be a fan of current growth in USA and wait for the UK government....on perpetuity waiting for a failure just because the colour of the rosette doesn't fit your world view.
Either the data is right or it isn't
Good to hear that Brexit Britain is such a success.
I’m sorry that you don’t understand complex things like how percentages work.
Seeing as 1.5 is 50% of 3 and UK is 75% smaller than the USA who needs help?
So you think the UK economy is actually growing faster than the US economy?
Sorry, what, pardon?
Gaslighter in chief
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It’s been enlightening.
Come back to me when you’ve passed your Maths GCSE.
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By (user no longer on site) OP 38 weeks ago
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"So is the USA booming economy down to Mango Mussolini?
What has this got to do with the 3 points you posted
It's called conversation.
Either an economy can be attributed to the government of the time in 6 months or it can't.
Either UK economy is down to Starmer/Reeves and the USA economy is down to Trump or we wait until Q1 2026 for an accurate picture and it's down to Sunak/Hunt and Biden respectively.
Which is it?
I have mentioned many times we need to wait until October, the reason for that is to get the actuals.
However, information based on policy and results from the markets can help predict what some outcomes can are going to be. The non-dom situation however is not soemthing anyone will know for sure as it is individuals making decisions that are not in the public domain, hence the 12 month lag.
Sure, sure, however, you sleep!
Now tell me the USA Biden left Trump a storming economy and we need to wait for the tariffs to feed through right?
Latest annualised growth rates:
UK: 1.2%
US: 3%
The population of Britain 75% smaller than the USA
What's your point?
My point is that you can't be a fan of current growth in USA and wait for the UK government....on perpetuity waiting for a failure just because the colour of the rosette doesn't fit your world view.
Either the data is right or it isn't
Good to hear that Brexit Britain is such a success.
I’m sorry that you don’t understand complex things like how percentages work.
Seeing as 1.5 is 50% of 3 and UK is 75% smaller than the USA who needs help?
So you think the UK economy is actually growing faster than the US economy?
Sorry, what, pardon?
Gaslighter in chief
It’s been enlightening.
Come back to me when you’ve passed your Maths GCSE.
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"Is the UK economy down to Reeves?
Is the Is economy down to Trump?"
So, back to this burning question.
Does a government take responsibility for the economy after 6 months in power? |
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"1) I'm unsure how this can be called out now when HMRC would not be receiving self assessments for 2024 / 2025 until Jan 2026. HMRC have also previously said that non-dom analysis lags 12 months behind a full tax cycle.
2) The idea that someone dies and the person who inherits the farm is required to sell off their assets to continue working the farm, is not something I agree with. The better solution would be to add 40% inheritance tax if the farm was not worked and was sold within 4 years of the death.
3) Your last point on schools, I can't see anything to say there are indeed, more."
You can file and pay tax returns from April. January is the cut off for returns and payments. |
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"So is the USA booming economy down to Mango Mussolini?
What has this got to do with the 3 points you posted
It's called conversation.
Either an economy can be attributed to the government of the time in 6 months or it can't.
Either UK economy is down to Starmer/Reeves and the USA economy is down to Trump or we wait until Q1 2026 for an accurate picture and it's down to Sunak/Hunt and Biden respectively.
Which is it?
I have mentioned many times we need to wait until October, the reason for that is to get the actuals.
However, information based on policy and results from the markets can help predict what some outcomes can are going to be. The non-dom situation however is not soemthing anyone will know for sure as it is individuals making decisions that are not in the public domain, hence the 12 month lag.
Sure, sure, however, you sleep!
Now tell me the USA Biden left Trump a storming economy and we need to wait for the tariffs to feed through right?
Latest annualised growth rates:
UK: 1.2%
US: 3%
The population of Britain 75% smaller than the USA
What's your point?
My point is that you can't be a fan of current growth in USA and wait for the UK government....on perpetuity waiting for a failure just because the colour of the rosette doesn't fit your world view.
Either the data is right or it isn't
Good to hear that Brexit Britain is such a success.
I’m sorry that you don’t understand complex things like how percentages work.
Seeing as 1.5 is 50% of 3 and UK is 75% smaller than the USA who needs help?"
I'm not getting the link between population and GDP growth. Can you explain? |
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By *otMe66Man 38 weeks ago
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"Is the UK economy down to Reeves?
Is the Is economy down to Trump?
So, back to this burning question.
Does a government take responsibility for the economy after 6 months in power?"
The government has been in situ for the last 14 months, and I have said wait until October for the Autumn budget and End of Q1 for better insights. What are you getting at?? |
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"So is the USA booming economy down to Mango Mussolini?
What has this got to do with the 3 points you posted
It's called conversation.
Either an economy can be attributed to the government of the time in 6 months or it can't.
Either UK economy is down to Starmer/Reeves and the USA economy is down to Trump or we wait until Q1 2026 for an accurate picture and it's down to Sunak/Hunt and Biden respectively.
Which is it?
I have mentioned many times we need to wait until October, the reason for that is to get the actuals.
However, information based on policy and results from the markets can help predict what some outcomes can are going to be. The non-dom situation however is not soemthing anyone will know for sure as it is individuals making decisions that are not in the public domain, hence the 12 month lag.
Sure, sure, however, you sleep!
Now tell me the USA Biden left Trump a storming economy and we need to wait for the tariffs to feed through right?
Latest annualised growth rates:
UK: 1.2%
US: 3%
The population of Britain 75% smaller than the USA
What's your point?
My point is that you can't be a fan of current growth in USA and wait for the UK government....on perpetuity waiting for a failure just because the colour of the rosette doesn't fit your world view.
Either the data is right or it isn't
Good to hear that Brexit Britain is such a success.
I’m sorry that you don’t understand complex things like how percentages work.
Seeing as 1.5 is 50% of 3 and UK is 75% smaller than the USA who needs help?
I'm not getting the link between population and GDP growth. Can you explain?"
Usually, the larger the population the greater the GDP in liberal democracies.
Hence why immigration is encouraged because you get tax returns and easy way to project growth.
However, if you fail to plan for infrastructure and don't redistribute wealth evenly enough it can cause tension between communities.
Welcome to post Brexit Britain |
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"Is the UK economy down to Reeves?
Is the Is economy down to Trump?
So, back to this burning question.
Does a government take responsibility for the economy after 6 months in power?
The government has been in situ for the last 14 months, and I have said wait until October for the Autumn budget and End of Q1 for better insights. What are you getting at??"
Indeed.
So we know your waiting on Q1 2026 for judgement day on UK economy.
We are currently about 7 or 8 months in to a Trump economy. Is the booming USA economy down to Trump or Biden? |
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By *otMe66Man 38 weeks ago
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"Is the UK economy down to Reeves?
Is the Is economy down to Trump?
So, back to this burning question.
Does a government take responsibility for the economy after 6 months in power?
The government has been in situ for the last 14 months, and I have said wait until October for the Autumn budget and End of Q1 for better insights. What are you getting at??
Indeed.
So we know your waiting on Q1 2026 for judgement day on UK economy.
We are currently about 7 or 8 months in to a Trump economy. Is the booming USA economy down to Trump or Biden?"
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"Is the UK economy down to Reeves?
Is the Is economy down to Trump?
So, back to this burning question.
Does a government take responsibility for the economy after 6 months in power?
The government has been in situ for the last 14 months, and I have said wait until October for the Autumn budget and End of Q1 for better insights. What are you getting at??
Indeed.
So we know your waiting on Q1 2026 for judgement day on UK economy.
We are currently about 7 or 8 months in to a Trump economy. Is the booming USA economy down to Trump or Biden?
goodnight "
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"So is the USA booming economy down to Mango Mussolini?
What has this got to do with the 3 points you posted
It's called conversation.
Either an economy can be attributed to the government of the time in 6 months or it can't.
Either UK economy is down to Starmer/Reeves and the USA economy is down to Trump or we wait until Q1 2026 for an accurate picture and it's down to Sunak/Hunt and Biden respectively.
Which is it?
I have mentioned many times we need to wait until October, the reason for that is to get the actuals.
However, information based on policy and results from the markets can help predict what some outcomes can are going to be. The non-dom situation however is not soemthing anyone will know for sure as it is individuals making decisions that are not in the public domain, hence the 12 month lag.
Sure, sure, however, you sleep!
Now tell me the USA Biden left Trump a storming economy and we need to wait for the tariffs to feed through right?
Latest annualised growth rates:
UK: 1.2%
US: 3%
The population of Britain 75% smaller than the USA
What's your point?
My point is that you can't be a fan of current growth in USA and wait for the UK government....on perpetuity waiting for a failure just because the colour of the rosette doesn't fit your world view.
Either the data is right or it isn't
Good to hear that Brexit Britain is such a success.
I’m sorry that you don’t understand complex things like how percentages work.
Seeing as 1.5 is 50% of 3 and UK is 75% smaller than the USA who needs help?
I'm not getting the link between population and GDP growth. Can you explain?
Usually, the larger the population the greater the GDP in liberal democracies.
Hence why immigration is encouraged because you get tax returns and easy way to project growth.
However, if you fail to plan for infrastructure and don't redistribute wealth evenly enough it can cause tension between communities.
Welcome to post Brexit Britain "
Still not following this:
“Seeing as 1.5 is 50% of 3 and UK is 75% smaller than the USA who needs help”?
Why do you think the US and UK annualised growth figures aren’t a fair reflection of their respective economic performance? |
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"So is the USA booming economy down to Mango Mussolini?
What has this got to do with the 3 points you posted
It's called conversation.
Either an economy can be attributed to the government of the time in 6 months or it can't.
Either UK economy is down to Starmer/Reeves and the USA economy is down to Trump or we wait until Q1 2026 for an accurate picture and it's down to Sunak/Hunt and Biden respectively.
Which is it?
I have mentioned many times we need to wait until October, the reason for that is to get the actuals.
However, information based on policy and results from the markets can help predict what some outcomes can are going to be. The non-dom situation however is not soemthing anyone will know for sure as it is individuals making decisions that are not in the public domain, hence the 12 month lag.
Sure, sure, however, you sleep!
Now tell me the USA Biden left Trump a storming economy and we need to wait for the tariffs to feed through right?
Latest annualised growth rates:
UK: 1.2%
US: 3%
The population of Britain 75% smaller than the USA
What's your point?
My point is that you can't be a fan of current growth in USA and wait for the UK government....on perpetuity waiting for a failure just because the colour of the rosette doesn't fit your world view.
Either the data is right or it isn't
Good to hear that Brexit Britain is such a success.
I’m sorry that you don’t understand complex things like how percentages work.
Seeing as 1.5 is 50% of 3 and UK is 75% smaller than the USA who needs help?
I'm not getting the link between population and GDP growth. Can you explain?
Usually, the larger the population the greater the GDP in liberal democracies.
Hence why immigration is encouraged because you get tax returns and easy way to project growth.
However, if you fail to plan for infrastructure and don't redistribute wealth evenly enough it can cause tension between communities.
Welcome to post Brexit Britain
Still not following this:
“Seeing as 1.5 is 50% of 3 and UK is 75% smaller than the USA who needs help”?
Why do you think the US and UK annualised growth figures aren’t a fair reflection of their respective economic performance?"
Yeah, hold my hands up the % of growth is worked out at % population. My bad!! Sorry.
However, I don't fully understand, why you brought it in to the equation.
Because my point was that the USA was doing better than the UK, but he is a staunch hater of labour and a lover of trump so, the question was do you blame Starmer Reeves and congratulate Trump or vice versa |
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"So is the USA booming economy down to Mango Mussolini?
What has this got to do with the 3 points you posted
It's called conversation.
Either an economy can be attributed to the government of the time in 6 months or it can't.
Either UK economy is down to Starmer/Reeves and the USA economy is down to Trump or we wait until Q1 2026 for an accurate picture and it's down to Sunak/Hunt and Biden respectively.
Which is it?
I have mentioned many times we need to wait until October, the reason for that is to get the actuals.
However, information based on policy and results from the markets can help predict what some outcomes can are going to be. The non-dom situation however is not soemthing anyone will know for sure as it is individuals making decisions that are not in the public domain, hence the 12 month lag.
Sure, sure, however, you sleep!
Now tell me the USA Biden left Trump a storming economy and we need to wait for the tariffs to feed through right?
Latest annualised growth rates:
UK: 1.2%
US: 3%
The population of Britain 75% smaller than the USA
What's your point?
My point is that you can't be a fan of current growth in USA and wait for the UK government....on perpetuity waiting for a failure just because the colour of the rosette doesn't fit your world view.
Either the data is right or it isn't
Good to hear that Brexit Britain is such a success.
I’m sorry that you don’t understand complex things like how percentages work.
Seeing as 1.5 is 50% of 3 and UK is 75% smaller than the USA who needs help?
I'm not getting the link between population and GDP growth. Can you explain?
Usually, the larger the population the greater the GDP in liberal democracies.
Hence why immigration is encouraged because you get tax returns and easy way to project growth.
However, if you fail to plan for infrastructure and don't redistribute wealth evenly enough it can cause tension between communities.
Welcome to post Brexit Britain
Still not following this:
“Seeing as 1.5 is 50% of 3 and UK is 75% smaller than the USA who needs help”?
Why do you think the US and UK annualised growth figures aren’t a fair reflection of their respective economic performance?
Yeah, hold my hands up the % of growth is worked out at % population. My bad!! Sorry.
However, I don't fully understand, why you brought it in to the equation.
Because my point was that the USA was doing better than the UK, but he is a staunch hater of labour and a lover of trump so, the question was do you blame Starmer Reeves and congratulate Trump or vice versa "
I’m still not sure what point you are trying to make.
The US economy seems to be doing better than the UK economy. That’s been the case for decades so no real change there.
The annualised UK growth rate now is about the same as it was in July 2024, when the last lot of failures were kicked out. Labour is doing no better apparently so not quite the ”change” we were promised.
Plus we have all the other negative indicators on top: job losses, higher taxes, stagnant consumer spending, shrinking business investment.
Labour’s “growth” is almost entirely being driven by public sector spending.
As you say it could also be driven by immigration. If that’s the case then it isn’t really making any of us better off: just more people consuming the same pie. I think GDP per capita saw a small increase after a long recent history of decline but nothing to particularly get excited about.
On a global level I’d expect things to generally continue as they have been for decades. US and rest of world growth ahead of UK and EU laggards at the back. In recent years UK growth has been slightly ahead of EU average growth due to the success of Brexit, but let’s see if Starmer’s EU “alignment” means that we also align on on poorer economic performance. |
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"So is the USA booming economy down to Mango Mussolini?
What has this got to do with the 3 points you posted
It's called conversation.
Either an economy can be attributed to the government of the time in 6 months or it can't.
Either UK economy is down to Starmer/Reeves and the USA economy is down to Trump or we wait until Q1 2026 for an accurate picture and it's down to Sunak/Hunt and Biden respectively.
Which is it?
I have mentioned many times we need to wait until October, the reason for that is to get the actuals.
However, information based on policy and results from the markets can help predict what some outcomes can are going to be. The non-dom situation however is not soemthing anyone will know for sure as it is individuals making decisions that are not in the public domain, hence the 12 month lag.
Sure, sure, however, you sleep!
Now tell me the USA Biden left Trump a storming economy and we need to wait for the tariffs to feed through right?
Latest annualised growth rates:
UK: 1.2%
US: 3%
The population of Britain 75% smaller than the USA
What's your point?
My point is that you can't be a fan of current growth in USA and wait for the UK government....on perpetuity waiting for a failure just because the colour of the rosette doesn't fit your world view.
Either the data is right or it isn't
Good to hear that Brexit Britain is such a success.
I’m sorry that you don’t understand complex things like how percentages work.
Seeing as 1.5 is 50% of 3 and UK is 75% smaller than the USA who needs help?
I'm not getting the link between population and GDP growth. Can you explain?
Usually, the larger the population the greater the GDP in liberal democracies.
Hence why immigration is encouraged because you get tax returns and easy way to project growth.
However, if you fail to plan for infrastructure and don't redistribute wealth evenly enough it can cause tension between communities.
Welcome to post Brexit Britain "
Yes there may be a link between population and absolute size of GDP, but it's hard to see the same link to % rate of growth. |
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"1 Fears of a massive non-dom exodus have been alleviated by initial tax data, the total number leaving the country ar in line with or even below official forecast HM revenue and customs payroll data has found no evidence to suggest more non-doms left Britain in response to Rachael Reeves 2024 budget than official predictions.
2 Most UK agriculture estates can shoulder the inheritance tax without selling off the farm. Family farms will be largely protected. 8 out of 10 farm estates affected by changes to the tax regime will be able to pay their entire bill using non farm assets.
3 And this more private schools now than their was when they introduced the VAT.
And I bet all the columnists and pundits and grifters will be queuing up to tell you the truth "
Fake news |
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"1 Fears of a massive non-dom exodus have been alleviated by initial tax data, the total number leaving the country ar in line with or even below official forecast HM revenue and customs payroll data has found no evidence to suggest more non-doms left Britain in response to Rachael Reeves 2024 budget than official predictions.
2 Most UK agriculture estates can shoulder the inheritance tax without selling off the farm. Family farms will be largely protected. 8 out of 10 farm estates affected by changes to the tax regime will be able to pay their entire bill using non farm assets.
3 And this more private schools now than their was when they introduced the VAT.
And I bet all the columnists and pundits and grifters will be queuing up to tell you the truth
Fake news"
G beebies not correcting their last incorrect statements?
Roll on to the next grift |
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The 8 out of 10 farmers might cope but what about the or 20% of farms that will struggle to pay that tax bill?
Just sell up and lose the generational knowledge in producing food with an ever increasing population?
Politics aside, it'll take more than that to convince folk that messing with the food producers is sensible. |
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"The 8 out of 10 farmers might cope but what about the or 20% of farms that will struggle to pay that tax bill?
Just sell up and lose the generational knowledge in producing food with an ever increasing population?
Politics aside, it'll take more than that to convince folk that messing with the food producers is sensible."
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"The 8 out of 10 farmers might cope but what about the or 20% of farms that will struggle to pay that tax bill?
Just sell up and lose the generational knowledge in producing food with an ever increasing population?
Politics aside, it'll take more than that to convince folk that messing with the food producers is sensible.
If you can't make a farm worth over 5 million make a profit to cover your inheritance. Your not in the right business "
This, basically.
It's possible to feel sorry for people who will have to sell assets or lose a business while also maintaining the realistic view that it still leaves them in a far better position than people who've inherited nothing and own nothing, who far outnumber these special cases.
Political decisions are made all the time that force certain categories of people into untenable situations tgat require them to sacrifice sonething important. It's interesting that people who feel so much sympathy for these generational farmers who can't pay their taxes, don't ever seem to muster that much compassion for people too sick to work having their welfare slashed. |
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"1 Fears of a massive non-dom exodus have been alleviated by initial tax data, the total number leaving the country ar in line with or even below official forecast HM revenue and customs payroll data has found no evidence to suggest more non-doms left Britain in response to Rachael Reeves 2024 budget than official predictions.
WHAT A LOAD OF FALSE IMFORMATION YOU SPOUT!
2 Most UK agriculture estates can shoulder the inheritance tax without selling off the farm. Family farms will be largely protected. 8 out of 10 farm estates affected by changes to the tax regime will be able to pay their entire bill using non farm assets.
3 And this more private schools now than their was when they introduced the VAT.
And I bet all the columnists and pundits and grifters will be queuing up to tell you the truth "
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"1 Fears of a massive non-dom exodus have been alleviated by initial tax data, the total number leaving the country ar in line with or even below official forecast HM revenue and customs payroll data has found no evidence to suggest more non-doms left Britain in response to Rachael Reeves 2024 budget than official predictions.
WHAT A LOAD OF FALSE IMFORMATION YOU SPOUT!
2 Most UK agriculture estates can shoulder the inheritance tax without selling off the farm. Family farms will be largely protected. 8 out of 10 farm estates affected by changes to the tax regime will be able to pay their entire bill using non farm assets.
3 And this more private schools now than their was when they introduced the VAT.
And I bet all the columnists and pundits and grifters will be queuing up to tell you the truth "
It's from the Financial Times. Are they pushing false information? |
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By *I TwoCouple 37 weeks ago
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"The 8 out of 10 farmers might cope but what about the or 20% of farms that will struggle to pay that tax bill?
Just sell up and lose the generational knowledge in producing food with an ever increasing population?
Politics aside, it'll take more than that to convince folk that messing with the food producers is sensible.
If you can't make a farm worth over 5 million make a profit to cover your inheritance. Your not in the right business "
Really ?
Whats the inheritance tax on £5millon
What's the return on capital for a typical small farm in the UK ? |
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"The 8 out of 10 farmers might cope but what about the or 20% of farms that will struggle to pay that tax bill?
Just sell up and lose the generational knowledge in producing food with an ever increasing population?
Politics aside, it'll take more than that to convince folk that messing with the food producers is sensible.
If you can't make a farm worth over 5 million make a profit to cover your inheritance. Your not in the right business
Really ?
Whats the inheritance tax on £5millon
What's the return on capital for a typical small farm in the UK ?"
Without relief, the IHT on £5M is about £1.8M.
The ROI on a typical small farm is around. 0.5% to 1%. Net profits of four figures or less are common.
The UK agriculture system is completely and irreparably broken anyway. IHT is obviously not a workable proposition for family farmers. |
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By *I TwoCouple 37 weeks ago
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"The 8 out of 10 farmers might cope but what about the or 20% of farms that will struggle to pay that tax bill?
Just sell up and lose the generational knowledge in producing food with an ever increasing population?
Politics aside, it'll take more than that to convince folk that messing with the food producers is sensible.
If you can't make a farm worth over 5 million make a profit to cover your inheritance. Your not in the right business
Really ?
Whats the inheritance tax on £5millon
What's the return on capital for a typical small farm in the UK ?
Without relief, the IHT on £5M is about £1.8M.
The ROI on a typical small farm is around. 0.5% to 1%. Net profits of four figures or less are common.
The UK agriculture system is completely and irreparably broken anyway. IHT is obviously not a workable proposition for family farmers."
I know, I was throwing it back at the person that suggested it's a "cash cow" pardon the pun
Latest figures I could find on the government website were negative ROCI |
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"The 8 out of 10 farmers might cope but what about the or 20% of farms that will struggle to pay that tax bill?
Just sell up and lose the generational knowledge in producing food with an ever increasing population?
Politics aside, it'll take more than that to convince folk that messing with the food producers is sensible.
If you can't make a farm worth over 5 million make a profit to cover your inheritance. Your not in the right business
Really ?
Whats the inheritance tax on £5millon
What's the return on capital for a typical small farm in the UK ?
Without relief, the IHT on £5M is about £1.8M.
The ROI on a typical small farm is around. 0.5% to 1%. Net profits of four figures or less are common.
The UK agriculture system is completely and irreparably broken anyway. IHT is obviously not a workable proposition for family farmers.
I know, I was throwing it back at the person that suggested it's a "cash cow" pardon the pun
Latest figures I could find on the government website were negative ROCI"
That's probably true, I would imagine the averages are skewed by a minority of profitable concerns while the majority don't break even.
Another example of ordinary people subsidising corporate profits. |
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By *I TwoCouple 37 weeks ago
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"The 8 out of 10 farmers might cope but what about the or 20% of farms that will struggle to pay that tax bill?
Just sell up and lose the generational knowledge in producing food with an ever increasing population?
Politics aside, it'll take more than that to convince folk that messing with the food producers is sensible.
If you can't make a farm worth over 5 million make a profit to cover your inheritance. Your not in the right business
Really ?
Whats the inheritance tax on £5millon
What's the return on capital for a typical small farm in the UK ?
Without relief, the IHT on £5M is about £1.8M.
The ROI on a typical small farm is around. 0.5% to 1%. Net profits of four figures or less are common.
The UK agriculture system is completely and irreparably broken anyway. IHT is obviously not a workable proposition for family farmers.
I know, I was throwing it back at the person that suggested it's a "cash cow" pardon the pun
Latest figures I could find on the government website were negative ROCI
That's probably true, I would imagine the averages are skewed by a minority of profitable concerns while the majority don't break even.
Another example of ordinary people subsidising corporate profits."
We should stop subsidies, who needs food anyways |
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