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Rumoured SUV’s will be targeted with an extra VED or equivalent £10 levy per kilogram for vehicles over 1600 kg (higher threshold of £10 /kg over 2000kg for EV’s)
This will likely include family SUV’s branded a tax haven by the Transport & Environment think tank putting this forward to raise £2bn a year for the treasury.
Extreme examples cite £10,000 extra on a Land Rover defender.
With a £50bn black hole to fill is this a possibly ?
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By *otMe66Man 33 weeks ago
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Highest August borrowing since 2020, that was the height of the Covid lockdown, when the government had to borrow for furlough payments as the country ground to a halt. Now we are just £6 billion short of that record, simply to cover day to day costs.
Reeves will be looking to tax anything she can. Will she break the labour promise of not taxing working people..... |
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By (user no longer on site) 33 weeks ago
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I think it’s a good idea. There’s no need to have a Range Rover Sport in central London. Rural Lincolnshire yes, but not in a big city.
Taxing based on vehicle weight rather than emissions makes far more sense. |
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By *otMe66Man 33 weeks ago
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"I think it’s a good idea. There’s no need to have a Range Rover Sport in central London. Rural Lincolnshire yes, but not in a big city.
Taxing based on vehicle weight rather than emissions makes far more sense. "
I would not expect it to be one or the other, but both. The weight tax being at point of purchase rather than annually. |
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"I think it’s a good idea. There’s no need to have a Range Rover Sport in central London. Rural Lincolnshire yes, but not in a big city.
Taxing based on vehicle weight rather than emissions makes far more sense. "
Should the same be applied to nhs treatment
A levy applied to 37% of the uk who are overweight |
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These garbage trucks need to be taxed in recompense for the damage they are causing and upgrades needed It probably should be a few thousand per vehicle, which could deter them being imposed on a country that's not equipped for them, including a health service that's overloaded. |
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By (user no longer on site) 33 weeks ago
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"I think it’s a good idea. There’s no need to have a Range Rover Sport in central London. Rural Lincolnshire yes, but not in a big city.
Taxing based on vehicle weight rather than emissions makes far more sense.
Should the same be applied to nhs treatment
A levy applied to 37% of the uk who are overweight "
Let’s look at that logically….
Would you apply that to all treatments or just those related to obesity?
How would you implement this in practice? Tax food? Pay at source?
Where do you draw the line? And if there is a line, being 6 ounces over or under is the difference between having had a shit that day or not.
Will this logic of “self inflicted” be applied to other situations such as drug use? People say smokers pay more tax but loads get cheap cigarettes from abroad so have not paid that extra tax. How is this tracked?
The sugar tax has had zero impact but i understand Reeves is considering doubling down.
And what about people who have been overweight for decades and possibly paying in, but never use the NHS? Should smokers who don’t get ill get a tax refund?
How about alcohol, same argument as cigarettes.
What about people who take other risks such as drink driving or driving at over 100mph and having a crash, that’s self inflicted.
Motorcyclist who don’t wear proper protective clothing, should they pay for skin grafts if they crash.
I personally think you either pay for health care through private medical insurance or we have an NHS that’s free for all at the point of use, paid for through taxes. Any middle ground is a minefield |
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I would support a tax to make larger vehicles less attractive. Tax away as far as I care on this one.
I appreciate they are wonderful to be inside of but they make life a nightmare for everyone else. The roads just aren’t designed for large numbers of large vehicles. |
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"I think it’s a good idea. There’s no need to have a Range Rover Sport in central London. Rural Lincolnshire yes, but not in a big city.
Taxing based on vehicle weight rather than emissions makes far more sense. "
So if you live rural you would not tax so would be down to post code. |
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"I would support a tax to make larger vehicles less attractive. Tax away as far as I care on this one.
I appreciate they are wonderful to be inside of but they make life a nightmare for everyone else. The roads just aren’t designed for large numbers of large vehicles."
If the roads can't handle large vehicles should it not be lorrys and busses taxed first in rural areas if there is a lorry in a lane its all stop, and some of the bus routes by me the bus cannot fit on one side of the road |
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"I would support a tax to make larger vehicles less attractive. Tax away as far as I care on this one.
I appreciate they are wonderful to be inside of but they make life a nightmare for everyone else. The roads just aren’t designed for large numbers of large vehicles.
If the roads can't handle large vehicles should it not be lorrys and busses taxed first in rural areas if there is a lorry in a lane its all stop, and some of the bus routes by me the bus cannot fit on one side of the road "
buses and lorries are necessary. SUV's ferrying Tarquin and Portia to Claremont on the school run are not. |
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"I think it’s a good idea. There’s no need to have a Range Rover Sport in central London. Rural Lincolnshire yes, but not in a big city.
Taxing based on vehicle weight rather than emissions makes far more sense. "
Agreed this will utterly cripple the electric market, bring it on. |
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"I would support a tax to make larger vehicles less attractive. Tax away as far as I care on this one.
I appreciate they are wonderful to be inside of but they make life a nightmare for everyone else. The roads just aren’t designed for large numbers of large vehicles.
If the roads can't handle large vehicles should it not be lorrys and busses taxed first in rural areas if there is a lorry in a lane its all stop, and some of the bus routes by me the bus cannot fit on one side of the road
buses and lorries are necessary. SUV's ferrying Tarquin and Portia to Claremont on the school run are not."
Agreed. Plus lorry and bus drivers are generally able to judge the widths of their vehicles. |
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By (user no longer on site) 32 weeks ago
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Average EV weight about 20% + higher than ICE vehicles.
Presumably that’s why the government is suddenly concerned about vehicle weight, rather than being that bothered about Chelsea Tractors.
Need to turn those EV’s into a government cash cow somehow.
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"Average EV weight about 20% + higher than ICE vehicles.
Presumably that’s why the government is suddenly concerned about vehicle weight, rather than being that bothered about Chelsea Tractors.
Need to turn those EV’s into a government cash cow somehow.
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It also makes a significant taxpayer cost increase to government ministers suv and their security fleet |
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"My vivaro work van is 2700kg, laden 3700kg. £345 ved
The equivalent people carrier / combo version will be 1100kg overweight unladen on the think tanks criteria, an extra £11,000 annual ved.
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Where are you getting the figures from, I can’t find any Vivaro model with a GVW of more than 3100kg, and 2700kg’s sounds very high for an unladen panel van. |
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"My vivaro work van is 2700kg, laden 3700kg. £345 ved
The equivalent people carrier / combo version will be 1100kg overweight unladen on the think tanks criteria, an extra £11,000 annual ved.
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Work van just pass it on to the customer, that's what I'll do about £6 an hour but price will go up by £10
The customer all ways picks up this sort of increas in cost |
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The number of these things I see negotiating the footpaths outside and near schools (the only off roading they do) and taking up to 4 spaces in tescos car parks usually by gorgeous ladies who can't see over the steering wheel, anything to get fewer of them on the roads is a good thing 😂 |
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"The number of these things I see negotiating the footpaths outside and near schools (the only off roading they do) and taking up to 4 spaces in tescos car parks usually by gorgeous ladies who can't see over the steering wheel, anything to get fewer of them on the roads is a good thing 😂"
What about stopping manufacturers selling them
In Japan there are restrictions; limits on vehicle length of 3.4 meters, a width of 1.48 meters, a height of 2.0 meters, and an engine displacement of 660cc. These dimensions were set in 1998 and ensure these vehicles are small, fuel-efficient, and practical for Japan's dense urban environments and limited parking spaces.
Same could apply here? |
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"Rumoured SUV’s will be targeted with an extra VED or equivalent £10 levy per kilogram for vehicles over 1600 kg (higher threshold of £10 /kg over 2000kg for EV’s)
This will likely include family SUV’s branded a tax haven by the Transport & Environment think tank putting this forward to raise £2bn a year for the treasury.
Extreme examples cite £10,000 extra on a Land Rover defender.
With a £50bn black hole to fill is this a possibly ?
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Does this include the driver's  |
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"The number of these things I see negotiating the footpaths outside and near schools (the only off roading they do) and taking up to 4 spaces in tescos car parks usually by gorgeous ladies who can't see over the steering wheel, anything to get fewer of them on the roads is a good thing 😂
What about stopping manufacturers selling them
In Japan there are restrictions; limits on vehicle length of 3.4 meters, a width of 1.48 meters, a height of 2.0 meters, and an engine displacement of 660cc. These dimensions were set in 1998 and ensure these vehicles are small, fuel-efficient, and practical for Japan's dense urban environments and limited parking spaces.
Same could apply here? "
big business and particularly car manufacturers have far to much power over the government and their lobbyists will merely hold the country to ransom yet again to get what they want ..... so no, that's the shittest idea ever. |
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"In Japan there are restrictions; limits on vehicle length of 3.4 meters, a width of 1.48 meters, a height of 2.0 meters, and an engine displacement of 660cc. These dimensions were set in 1998 and ensure these vehicles are small, fuel-efficient, and practical for Japan's dense urban environments and limited parking spaces."
In cities they also have the rule that you can't buy a car unless you have a dedicated parking space for it.
The system works very well. |
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"People buying luxury suv do so as they can afford to.
I wouldn’t care having to paying extra for a Range Rover / x5 / q7 / macan etc
Though electric cars are going to interesting with weight "
Yes, all the electric models are significantly heavier than normal vehicles. |
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