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By (user no longer on site) OP 18 weeks ago
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Amazing story from US State of Minnesota where up to 9 billion (!!) dollars has apparently been defrauded from federal welfare funds by fake charities run mostly by the Somalian community with strong links to the Democratic Party.
Seems like Musk and his allegations of huge govt waste and fraud were spot on, no wonder he was driven out ! |
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"Amazing story from US State of Minnesota where up to 9 billion (!!) dollars has apparently been defrauded from federal welfare funds by fake charities run mostly by the Somalian community with strong links to the Democratic Party.
Seems like Musk and his allegations of huge govt waste and fraud were spot on, no wonder he was driven out !"
"Apparently"! Doesn't exactly sound like it's proven to be true. Unlike the "Fake Charity" fraud case where Trump was found guilty in court & ordered to pay $Millions back. |
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Obviously there has been a fraud investigation ongoing for several years, but it's a long way from concluded. Instead, the MAGA friendly are largely repeating the largely "made-up" figures that Trump recently made up "mid-rant".
Generally statements that begin "Apparently" are mainly gossip. It might turn out to be broadly accurate, but until the investigation is completed we won't actually know. |
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"Obviously there has been a fraud investigation ongoing for several years, but it's a long way from concluded. Instead, the MAGA friendly are largely repeating the largely "made-up" figures that Trump recently made up "mid-rant".
Generally statements that begin "Apparently" are mainly gossip. It might turn out to be broadly accurate, but until the investigation is completed we won't actually know."
You're a bit behind. Over 90 people have already been charged and 57 convicted, and all the media organisations are independently reporting the huge scale of the fraud. You should try reading the likes of CBS, the NYT and CNN as to how this has been unfolding. It is true that Trump sent federal agents into the state to track down illegals immigrants, but the investigation long pre-dates that (and started in Philadelphia). You clearly haven't heard that US authorities have international arrest warrants out for some Somali suspects who have fled to Holland weeks ago. The Walz administration has admitted a week ago that the fraud runs into tens of millions, but no further comment since.
I suspect that if our government looked seriously into fraud we'd see a similar scale. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP 18 weeks ago
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I suspect that if our government looked seriously into fraud we'd see a similar scale. "
I bet. Politicians funneling state money to the communities that block vote for them through corrupt 'charities' and NGOs. |
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By *abioMan 18 weeks ago
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I suspect that if our government looked seriously into fraud we'd see a similar scale.
I bet. Politicians funneling state money to the communities that block vote for them through corrupt 'charities' and NGOs."
See…. That is a gross exaggeration just because the largest Somali community happens to be in Minneapolis
That would be like saying the authorities in Boston cater to the Irish community……. Or the authorities in New York cater to the Jewish community |
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By (user no longer on site) OP 18 weeks ago
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I suspect that if our government looked seriously into fraud we'd see a similar scale.
I bet. Politicians funneling state money to the communities that block vote for them through corrupt 'charities' and NGOs.
See…. That is a gross exaggeration just because the largest Somali community happens to be in Minneapolis
That would be like saying the authorities in Boston cater to the Irish community……. Or the authorities in New York cater to the Jewish community "
This story isn't about 'catering' to a community's needs ! It's about corruption on a colossal scale with local Democrat politicians at minimum turning a blind eye but more likely being directly involved. Keep an eye on this one, its only going to get bigger and wilder !! |
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" the largely "made-up" figures that Trump recently made up "mid-rant".
Generally statements that begin "Apparently" are mainly gossip. "
Wrong again. I don't disagree that the words apparently and allegedly are typically used by the press when reporting on uncertain grounds. But now more facts are emerging: the LA Times (hardly a redneck hotspot) has overnight obtained figures from Medicaid's internal watchdog which state that from July 2021 to June 2022, $207.5m payments were made in Minnesota to deceased people. That's just one year since 2014. In the past 4 years the autism budget in the state ballooned from $3m to $250m. It's therefore easy to see how the fraud will likely run into billions. I wouldn't doubt that fraud is also happening in Republican run states, but Walz is in big trouble now, as 6 weeks ago he said he wasn't responsible but 5 weeks later said "I'm responsible and I'll fix it". Sorry, Tim, in politics it doesn't work like that. |
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"Of course he's right, he's actually a Nazi and proudly Nazi salutes in front of the cameras; a great example for humanity."
do you know what an actual nazi is? Has he rounded up people and sent them to gas chambers and used them for forced labour? When people throw the word nazi about for people they don't like it just weakens what it actually means
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By *abioMan 18 weeks ago
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I suspect that if our government looked seriously into fraud we'd see a similar scale.
I bet. Politicians funneling state money to the communities that block vote for them through corrupt 'charities' and NGOs.
See…. That is a gross exaggeration just because the largest Somali community happens to be in Minneapolis
That would be like saying the authorities in Boston cater to the Irish community……. Or the authorities in New York cater to the Jewish community
This story isn't about 'catering' to a community's needs ! It's about corruption on a colossal scale with local Democrat politicians at minimum turning a blind eye but more likely being directly involved. Keep an eye on this one, it’s only going to get bigger and wilder !!"
If you want a comparison.. you might want to look at how the republican state legislature in Mississippi ineptitude in dealing with the same sort of issue, there’s involved directly the governor, an NFL hall of fame QB, and how COVID money intended for the poorest ended going to build private schools gymnasiums
If that’s the direction you want to go do then I would look at the timescale …. Then a lot of it was supercharged by COVID, the same issue that the uk had in that a lot of the money ended up going to scammers,
Even the government’s own reports at the federal level from the OBR state that of the initial 1.2bn dollars spent at the beginning of the COVID crisis, about 200 million dollars of it ended up going to scammers
The initial press report into the scandal comes from the New York Times from the 30th November, and is actually worth reading up on , rather than people who are now using it to push other narratives about communities, immigration, ect…
I am not about demonising any particular community, I hope they get EVERYONE involved
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"Of course he's right, he's actually a Nazi and proudly Nazi salutes in front of the cameras; a great example for humanity.do you know what an actual nazi is? Has he rounded up people and sent them to gas chambers and used them for forced labour? When people throw the word nazi about for people they don't like it just weakens what it actually means"
I've been saying that for years.
It's like "The Boy Who Cried Wolf".
One day when the real Nazi's turn up no-one will notice or care. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP 18 weeks ago
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" the largely "made-up" figures that Trump recently made up "mid-rant".
Generally statements that begin "Apparently" are mainly gossip.
Wrong again. I don't disagree that the words apparently and allegedly are typically used by the press when reporting on uncertain grounds. But now more facts are emerging: the LA Times (hardly a redneck hotspot) has overnight obtained figures from Medicaid's internal watchdog which state that from July 2021 to June 2022, $207.5m payments were made in Minnesota to deceased people. That's just one year since 2014. In the past 4 years the autism budget in the state ballooned from $3m to $250m. It's therefore easy to see how the fraud will likely run into billions. I wouldn't doubt that fraud is also happening in Republican run states, but Walz is in big trouble now, as 6 weeks ago he said he wasn't responsible but 5 weeks later said "I'm responsible and I'll fix it". Sorry, Tim, in politics it doesn't work like that. "
Waltz and Representative Ilhan Omar in serious trouble over this scandal. Omar is personally linked to several of the worst fraudsters. Some amazing citizen journalists are uncovered huge fraud wherever they look in Minnesota and likely other Democrat states. |
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"Of course he's right, he's actually a Nazi and proudly Nazi salutes in front of the cameras; a great example for humanity.do you know what an actual nazi is? Has he rounded up people and sent them to gas chambers and used them for forced labour? When people throw the word nazi about for people they don't like it just weakens what it actually means"
What's to like about that guy? He's awkward, ketamine addict, he exploits his employees and then terminates them; he even double Nazi salutes when happy. But hey, millions of Germans supported deportations in the late 30s and didn't want to believe rumours regarding concentration camps until it was too late... |
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"Of course he's right, he's actually a Nazi and proudly Nazi salutes in front of the cameras; a great example for humanity.do you know what an actual nazi is? Has he rounded up people and sent them to gas chambers and used them for forced labour? When people throw the word nazi about for people they don't like it just weakens what it actually means
What's to like about that guy? He's awkward, ketamine addict, he exploits his employees and then terminates them; he even double Nazi salutes when happy. But hey, millions of Germans supported deportations in the late 30s and didn't want to believe rumours regarding concentration camps until it was too late... "
Not a fan then? |
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"Of course he's right, he's actually a Nazi and proudly Nazi salutes in front of the cameras; a great example for humanity.do you know what an actual nazi is? Has he rounded up people and sent them to gas chambers and used them for forced labour? When people throw the word nazi about for people they don't like it just weakens what it actually means
What's to like about that guy? He's awkward, ketamine addict, he exploits his employees and then terminates them; he even double Nazi salutes when happy. But hey, millions of Germans supported deportations in the late 30s and didn't want to believe rumours regarding concentration camps until it was too late... "
wether you like him or not he is miles away from being a nazi like I said when you throw that name around you make it mean less and less it a bit like when people call anyone who wants control of our borders a racist it ends up not meaning anything |
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By *otMe66Man 18 weeks ago
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"Double Nazi salute is not Nazi; interesting.
Did you not get the memo… it was a “Roman” salute 
Either that or it was “I’m a little teapot” but the arm went a bit high…."
Have any other people done exactly the same hand gesture in the moment on a stage, that were not Nazis, or are they all Nazis?
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"Double Nazi salute is not Nazi; interesting.
Did you not get the memo… it was a “Roman” salute
Either that or it was “I’m a little teapot” but the arm went a bit high…."
Did Cory Booker do a Nazi salute or does it apply only when one's political opponents do it? |
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"Double Nazi salute is not Nazi; interesting.
Did you not get the memo… it was a “Roman” salute
Either that or it was “I’m a little teapot” but the arm went a bit high…."
It could well be. Someone mentioned "he's just miles from being a Nazi"... 1.2 miles? |
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By *abioMan 18 weeks ago
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"Double Nazi salute is not Nazi; interesting.
Did you not get the memo… it was a “Roman” salute
Either that or it was “I’m a little teapot” but the arm went a bit high….
Did Cory Booker do a Nazi salute or does it apply only when one's political opponents do it?"
If Cory booker did it the way that Elon musk did it I would absolutely call him out on it and call it a nazi salute!
If you did it with the same amount of chest as Elon did… I would call it a nazi salute!
If I did that with the same amount of chest I’d be called out.. probably followed by a few WTFs added
Sorry if that takes the wind out of that argument… I know you like to be a bit contrary
So are you going to argue it wasn’t a nazi salute, because I think you are going to have to Jedi mind trick us here…. Very much a case of not believing my lying eyes |
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"Double Nazi salute is not Nazi; interesting.
Did you not get the memo… it was a “Roman” salute
Either that or it was “I’m a little teapot” but the arm went a bit high….
Did Cory Booker do a Nazi salute or does it apply only when one's political opponents do it?
If Cory booker did it the way that Elon musk did it I would absolutely call him out on it and call it a nazi salute!
If you did it with the same amount of chest as Elon did… I would call it a nazi salute!
If I did that with the same amount of chest I’d be called out.. probably followed by a few WTFs added
Sorry if that takes the wind out of that argument… I know you like to be a bit contrary
So are you going to argue it wasn’t a nazi salute, because I think you are going to have to Jedi mind trick us here…. Very much a case of not believing my lying eyes "
Now the amount of chest involved can be used to excuse what looked like a Nazi salute? And here you are criticising other people for excusing Musk's salute. You don't see the hypocrisy that everyone else can see here? |
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By *abioMan 18 weeks ago
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"Double Nazi salute is not Nazi; interesting.
Did you not get the memo… it was a “Roman” salute
Either that or it was “I’m a little teapot” but the arm went a bit high….
Did Cory Booker do a Nazi salute or does it apply only when one's political opponents do it?
If Cory booker did it the way that Elon musk did it I would absolutely call him out on it and call it a nazi salute!
If you did it with the same amount of chest as Elon did… I would call it a nazi salute!
If I did that with the same amount of chest I’d be called out.. probably followed by a few WTFs added
Sorry if that takes the wind out of that argument… I know you like to be a bit contrary
So are you going to argue it wasn’t a nazi salute, because I think you are going to have to Jedi mind trick us here…. Very much a case of not believing my lying eyes
Now the amount of chest involved can be used to excuse what looked like a Nazi salute? And here you are criticising other people for excusing Musk's salute. You don't see the hypocrisy that everyone else can see here?"
So what would you call it… let’s get you on the record!
And he wasn’t the only person to do that there .. steve bannon did as well..
Well after the first time he did it I might have excused it.. but he ended up doing it 3 times… so yeah.. that.. and with chest…
And that was even before we found out about his “further right” leanings by speaking at conferences for AFD, the front national, reform, and Tommy Robinson rally….
But yeah.. you keep arguing for the sake of argument.. I’ve noticed you like doing that! |
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Now the amount of chest involved can be used to excuse what looked like a Nazi salute? And here you are criticising other people for excusing Musk's salute. You don't see the hypocrisy that everyone else can see here?
So what would you call it… let’s get you on the record!
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Call it whatever you will. But if you are going to call one of the two salutes Nazi salute too. If you are going to defend one but not the other, you are just a hypocrite.
And he wasn’t the only person to do that there .. steve bannon did as well..
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And that was even before we found out about his “further right” leanings by speaking at conferences for AFD, the front national, reform, and Tommy Robinson rally….
But yeah.. you keep arguing for the sake of argument.. I’ve noticed you like doing that! "
It's just funny to watch the progressives who call themselves "anti-nazi" remain completely silent in threads where we talk about Jews getting killed, assaulted or threatened by the Pro-palestine peace lovers. Some even go on to use ridiculous diversion tactics like "Let's not make it political". And yet, spend so much time and energy over someone's salute. Interesting priorities...
Musk speaking in Tommy Robinson's rally makes him a Nazi? Through which rally can Jews wearing their traditional clothing walk through safely? In a Tommy Robinson rally or a Pro Palestine rally?
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Even Musk himself didn't claim that his salutes weren't Nazi salutes.
Rather than make it crystal clear that his intention was not to give Nazi salutes he posted jokes about it...
"Don’t say Hess to Nazi accusations! Some people will Goebbels anything down! Stop Goring your enemies! His pronouns would’ve been He/Himmler!"
"Bet you did nazi that coming,"
The guy is a fascist but those who believe he's some kind of visionary hero can't admit that because it's unfashionable to be a supporter of a fascist in most social circles.
Also many current day fascists feel uncomfortable with antisemitism - it's not a great look. So the list of enemies has mutated slightly.
Instead of Communists, Jews, homosexuals, disabled people and non-whites the modern fascist enemies are anyone liberal/progressive/left/green/woke, Muslims, trans people, people on sickness benefits and immigrants.
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By *abioMan 18 weeks ago
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So what would you call it… let’s get you on the record!
Call it whatever you will. But if you are going to call one of the two salutes Nazi salute too. If you are going to defend one but not the other, you are just a hypocrite.
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A) your reading comprehension is bad today… because I literally said if “any person “ had done it with the same chest and vigorous motion as Elon musk I would call them out in the same fashion
B) so you are arguing for the sake of an argument whilst trying to come across holding the moral high ground of the splinters up your arse sitting on that fence
So where you may think I am being hypocritical ( of which I literally said I would have called anyone out) people could call you a weasel for pretending to not have an opinion and not answering the question
So… let’s try that again…. So what would you call it! On the record.. no both siding it! |
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As for Tommy Robinson V pro-Palestinian marches.
Thousands of Jewish people have openly joined pro-Palestinian marches around the world and been warmly welcomed.
While the Board of Deputies of British Jews and the Jewish Leadership Council have described Robinson as a thug who represented the very worst of Britain and said that the vast majority of British Jews utterly and consistently reject Robinson and everything he stands for.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/oct/05/uk-jewish-groups-condemn-israeli-minister-invite-tommy-robinson-israel
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"Even Musk himself didn't claim that his salutes weren't Nazi salutes.
Rather than make it crystal clear that his intention was not to give Nazi salutes he posted jokes about it...
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And he didn't say they were Nazi salutes either. He is not obligated to justify himself to the irrational mob of progressives every time they go on a witch hunt like this.
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"Don’t say Hess to Nazi accusations! Some people will Goebbels anything down! Stop Goring your enemies! His pronouns would’ve been He/Himmler!"
"Bet you did nazi that coming,"
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You ever heard of a thing named sense of humour? 🤣
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The guy is a fascist but those who believe he's some kind of visionary hero can't admit that because it's unfashionable to be a supporter of a fascist in most social circles.
Also many current day fascists feel uncomfortable with antisemitism - it's not a great look. So the list of enemies has mutated slightly.
Instead of Communists, Jews, homosexuals, disabled people and non-whites the modern fascist enemies are anyone liberal/progressive/left/green/woke, Muslims, trans people, people on sickness benefits and immigrants.
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If I got a dime every time a progressive calls someone a fascist, I will also be as rich as Musk. |
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So what would you call it… let’s get you on the record!
Call it whatever you will. But if you are going to call one of the two salutes Nazi salute too. If you are going to defend one but not the other, you are just a hypocrite.
A) your reading comprehension is bad today… because I literally said if “any person “ had done it with the same chest and vigorous motion as Elon musk I would call them out in the same fashion
B) so you are arguing for the sake of an argument whilst trying to come across holding the moral high ground of the splinters up your arse sitting on that fence
So where you may think I am being hypocritical ( of which I literally said I would have called anyone out) people could call you a weasel for pretending to not have an opinion and not answering the question
So… let’s try that again…. So what would you call it! On the record.. no both siding it! "
You only cooked up an excuse about how chest position is crucial in the Nazi salute. That's quite a laughable excuse. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP 18 weeks ago
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"Oh dear, another thread completely derailed. I wonder why some people don't want to address the issues.🤔🤣
You know why  "
Indeed. Shame though. The scale of the fraud in Minnesota and allegedly other US states is truly breathtaking and clearly linked to the Democrats. I imagine it will play a big part in the Midterm elections and certainly in the next Presidential election. |
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By *abioMan 18 weeks ago
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You only cooked up an excuse about how chest position is crucial in the Nazi salute. That's quite a laughable excuse."
Yeah…. That’s still not an answer to the question….
Don’t think that people aren’t seeing the “deflect and distract” tactic….. you aren’t that good a Jedi to pull that trick off…. And you aren’t as clever or as funny as you think either….
So shall we try the question again…..
What would you call what Elon musk did? Actually have an opinion! Put it on the record since you are mocking everyone else’s! |
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"Oh dear, another thread completely derailed. I wonder why some people don't want to address the issues.🤔🤣
You know why
Indeed. Shame though. The scale of the fraud in Minnesota and allegedly other US states is truly breathtaking and clearly linked to the Democrats. I imagine it will play a big part in the Midterm elections and certainly in the next Presidential election."
You know it's time for them to move on from "It's not happening" to "It's happening but here is why it's good" phase. Considering their silence on that topic, it feels like even they couldn't cook up a reason to justify this corruption. |
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By *abioMan 18 weeks ago
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"Oh dear, another thread completely derailed. I wonder why some people don't want to address the issues.🤔🤣
You know why
Indeed. Shame though. The scale of the fraud in Minnesota and allegedly other US states is truly breathtaking and clearly linked to the Democrats. I imagine it will play a big part in the Midterm elections and certainly in the next Presidential election."
As I said… Minnesota isn’t the only place where this is being investigated…. It’s just the latest to hit the headlines
There have been investigations in Arkansas, in Florida, and in Mississippi… this in Minnesota, there are ongoing investigations in both California and Texas that we know of…
It’s not a “one side” issue.. in Minnesota it’s being turned from a fraud issue into an immigration issue which is demonising an entire community
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"You ever heard of a thing named sense of humour? "
Even the ADL, who initially made excuses for Musk's Nazi salutes, were taken aback by his jokes and changed tack...
“Making inappropriate and highly offensive jokes that trivialize the Holocaust only serve to minimize the evil and inhumanity of Nazi crimes, denigrate the suffering of both victims and survivors and insult the memory of the six million Jews murdered in the Shoah.” |
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"Oh dear, another thread completely derailed. I wonder why some people don't want to address the issues.🤔🤣
You know why
Indeed. Shame though. The scale of the fraud in Minnesota and allegedly other US states is truly breathtaking and clearly linked to the Democrats. I imagine it will play a big part in the Midterm elections and certainly in the next Presidential election.
You know it's time for them to move on from "It's not happening" to "It's happening but here is why it's good" phase. Considering their silence on that topic, it feels like even they couldn't cook up a reason to justify this corruption."
I think we're currently in the 'yes it's happening, but it's racist to talk about it' phase. |
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"You ever heard of a thing named sense of humour?
Even the ADL, who initially made excuses for Musk's Nazi salutes, were taken aback by his jokes and changed tack...
“Making inappropriate and highly offensive jokes that trivialize the Holocaust only serve to minimize the evil and inhumanity of Nazi crimes, denigrate the suffering of both victims and survivors and insult the memory of the six million Jews murdered in the Shoah.”"
I will let Jimmy Carr, Ricky Gervais, etc also know that they are Nazis.
Again, the fact that you would focus a lot more on online jokes over Jews being really killed, assaulted and openly threatened by the pro Palestine mob shows a lot about your priorities. |
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"Oh dear, another thread completely derailed. I wonder why some people don't want to address the issues.🤔🤣
You know why
Indeed. Shame though. The scale of the fraud in Minnesota and allegedly other US states is truly breathtaking and clearly linked to the Democrats. I imagine it will play a big part in the Midterm elections and certainly in the next Presidential election.
You know it's time for them to move on from "It's not happening" to "It's happening but here is why it's good" phase. Considering their silence on that topic, it feels like even they couldn't cook up a reason to justify this corruption.
I think we're currently in the 'yes it's happening, but it's racist to talk about it' phase. "
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"I will let Jimmy Carr, Ricky Gervais, etc also know that they are Nazis."
At first sight Jimmy Carr's famous joke may have seemed to be at the expense of the hundreds of thousands of Roma and Sinta people and 1,700 Jehovah's Witnesses murdered in the Holocaust but I think it was still well within the bounds of comedy because his ultimate point was that many different types of people were murdered. It was in bad taste but that's Carr's trademark and a fair judgement would be that he was taking the piss out of fascists.
The same excuse can't be made for Musk. Although you laugh along with him if you like. |
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"I will let Jimmy Carr, Ricky Gervais, etc also know that they are Nazis.
At first sight Jimmy Carr's famous joke may have seemed to be at the expense of the hundreds of thousands of Roma and Sinta people and 1,700 Jehovah's Witnesses murdered in the Holocaust but I think it was still well within the bounds of comedy because his ultimate point was that many different types of people were murdered. It was in bad taste but that's Carr's trademark and a fair judgement would be that he was taking the piss out of fascists.
The same excuse can't be made for Musk. Although you laugh along with him if you like."
Why is one person making a joke about a topic ok but not the other? "It's just his style" isn't really a valid excuse if you are the type that gets offended over such jokes. I personally feel that jokes are just jokes. I would judge neither Musk nor Jimmy Carr. If you want to invent ridiculous reasons to tell yourself a story to justify your hypocritical views, carry on  |
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Jimmy Carr is a professional comedian who's style is deliberately provocative, but on close inspection he reveals that he's actually a pretty nice guy. That's why people pay to see his shows even if he's ribbing them. It's a very English type of humour involving poking people's sensitivities with an acute sense of precision. He's also mastered subtle self-deprication.
On the other hand Musk made multiple Nazi salutes at a major political rally and when criticized rather than say that he wasn't really doing Nazi salutes he made extremely clumsy jokes about the Holocaust that would embarrass most teenagers.
You don't seem to understand the difference. |
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"Jimmy Carr is a professional comedian who's style is deliberately provocative, but on close inspection he reveals that he's actually a pretty nice guy. That's why people pay to see his shows even if he's ribbing them. It's a very English type of humour involving poking people's sensitivities with an acute sense of precision. He's also mastered subtle self-deprication.
On the other hand Musk made multiple Nazi salutes at a major political rally and when criticized rather than say that he wasn't really doing Nazi salutes he made extremely clumsy jokes about the Holocaust that would embarrass most teenagers.
You don't seem to understand the difference."
I am a big fan of Jimmy Carr and I have been to his shows. A few days back, in Southend, in the audience interaction segment he usually has, he was asked about Farage. And he low-key approved of Farage's rise in the polls. Does that change your view about him and his jokes?
End of the day, jokes are jokes. No rational person would do the mental gymnastics you are doing to justify one joke but not another. |
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"Oh dear, another thread completely derailed. I wonder why some people don't want to address the issues.🤔🤣
You know why
Indeed. Shame though. The scale of the fraud in Minnesota and allegedly other US states is truly breathtaking and clearly linked to the Democrats. I imagine it will play a big part in the Midterm elections and certainly in the next Presidential election.
As I said… Minnesota isn’t the only place where this is being investigated…. It’s just the latest to hit the headlines
There have been investigations in Arkansas, in Florida, and in Mississippi… this in Minnesota, there are ongoing investigations in both California and Texas that we know of…
It’s not a “one side” issue.. in Minnesota it’s being turned from a fraud issue into an immigration issue which is demonising an entire community
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No, the focus in Minnesota is on the Somalian community because based on the convictions and evidence so far, they are the principle perpetrators of this gigantic fraud, and also because of the clear links between the community and the Democrats. Thankfully the days when serious organised crime can be covered up for fear of being called racist, as with the UK grooming gangs, is coming to an end. |
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"I am a big fan of Jimmy Carr and I have been to his shows. A few days back, in Southend, in the audience interaction segment he usually has, he was asked about Farage. And he low-key approved of Farage's rise in the polls. Does that change your view about him and his jokes?
End of the day, jokes are jokes. No rational person would do the mental gymnastics you are doing to justify one joke but not another."
A lot of people seem to like Farage so it wouldn't surprise me if Carr was one of them. I don't think that being a Reform supporter automatically makes one a fascist.
That doesn't stop me from being critical of fascism.
A tip - you might want to reduce the frequency of the phrase "mental gymnastics" as it's beginning to make you sound a tad robotic.
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"I am a big fan of Jimmy Carr and I have been to his shows. A few days back, in Southend, in the audience interaction segment he usually has, he was asked about Farage. And he low-key approved of Farage's rise in the polls. Does that change your view about him and his jokes?
End of the day, jokes are jokes. No rational person would do the mental gymnastics you are doing to justify one joke but not another.
A lot of people seem to like Farage so it wouldn't surprise me if Carr was one of them. I don't think that being a Reform supporter automatically makes one a fascist.
That doesn't stop me from being critical of fascism.
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That's not the point though. You are jumping into conclusions that someone is a Nazi based on flimsy evidences. A tweet that was a joke or a salute that resembles Nazi salute doesn't make one a Nazi.
You know what is good evidence that someone is a Nazi? The ones who kill the Jews. The Pro-palestine protestors who are pro-hamas and celebrated October 7, the "globalise the Intifada" chants, etc.
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A tip - you might want to reduce the frequency of the phrase "mental gymnastics" as it's beginning to make you sound a tad robotic.
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I get that you believe that Musk isn't a fascist or perhaps that your definition of fascist is different from mine.
You keep claiming that pro-Palestinian protesters are murdering Jews. Where are you getting this from?
Not that it matters, but I don't use AI. I know you and Mr Woolly think I do but that seems to be because you both think that AI is far more useful than I think it is.
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"Not the right thread for it. Have you got anything to say about the topic of the thread?"
I'm not a thread purity fanatic as everyone should know by now. I suppose I could not post but then you right-wing nutters would have fewer opportunities to talk bollocks and have fun getting annoyed. Although I suspect some of you would prefer this forum to become just an echo chamber.
The topic of Nazi salutes was introduced ages ago by someone else and you happily ran with it.
The thread title is "Elon Musk was Right" and I guess that's why Musk has become the subject of the debate rather than the corruption in Minnesota which AFAIK is revamp of a covid story from 2022.
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"Not the right thread for it. Have you got anything to say about the topic of the thread?
I'm not a thread purity fanatic as everyone should know by now. I suppose I could not post but then you right-wing nutters would have fewer opportunities to talk bollocks and have fun getting annoyed. Although I suspect some of you would prefer this forum to become just an echo chamber.
The topic of Nazi salutes was introduced ages ago by someone else and you happily ran with it.
The thread title is "Elon Musk was Right" and I guess that's why Musk has become the subject of the debate rather than the corruption in Minnesota which AFAIK is revamp of a covid story from 2022.
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Sure the Nazi salute was even going off topic a bit. But I discussed about this because it was still about Musk and the title of the thread was about Musk. But if we want to talk about Palestine protestors being anti-Semitic, I don't think this is the right thread for it. If you want to continue with the typical irrational progressive left's syndrome of crying about Musk all the time, I am not going to stop it. |
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"Sure the Nazi salute was even going off topic a bit. But I discussed about this because it was still about Musk and the title of the thread was about Musk. But if we want to talk about Palestine protestors being anti-Semitic, I don't think this is the right thread for it. If you want to continue with the typical irrational progressive left's syndrome of crying about Musk all the time, I am not going to stop it."
To be honest I'm getting pretty bored with your lame assaults on European progressive values and your apparent defence of fascism but perhaps we can lock horns on another thread about I/P.
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"Sure the Nazi salute was even going off topic a bit. But I discussed about this because it was still about Musk and the title of the thread was about Musk. But if we want to talk about Palestine protestors being anti-Semitic, I don't think this is the right thread for it. If you want to continue with the typical irrational progressive left's syndrome of crying about Musk all the time, I am not going to stop it.
To be honest I'm getting pretty bored with your lame assaults on European progressive values and your apparent defence of fascism but perhaps we can lock horns on another thread about I/P.
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Here I wish I got that dime. |
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"Oh dear, another thread completely derailed. I wonder why some people don't want to address the issues.🤔🤣
You know why
Indeed. Shame though. The scale of the fraud in Minnesota and allegedly other US states is truly breathtaking and clearly linked to the Democrats. I imagine it will play a big part in the Midterm elections and certainly in the next Presidential election.
As I said… Minnesota isn’t the only place where this is being investigated…. It’s just the latest to hit the headlines
There have been investigations in Arkansas, in Florida, and in Mississippi… this in Minnesota, there are ongoing investigations in both California and Texas that we know of…
It’s not a “one side” issue.. in Minnesota it’s being turned from a fraud issue into an immigration issue which is demonising an entire community
No, the focus in Minnesota is on the Somalian community because based on the convictions and evidence so far, they are the principle perpetrators of this gigantic fraud, and also because of the clear links between the community and the Democrats.
Thankfully the days when serious organised crime can be covered up for fear of being called racist, as with the UK grooming gangs, is coming to an end."
Actually the people that have been the main players and perpetrators of the fraud in Minnesota so far have been white people, so that you for playing the game
And I think you will find that according to the home office own statistics, most of the people found guilty of SA in the UK would also be white
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"Oh dear, another thread completely derailed. I wonder why some people don't want to address the issues.🤔🤣
You know why
Indeed. Shame though. The scale of the fraud in Minnesota and allegedly other US states is truly breathtaking and clearly linked to the Democrats. I imagine it will play a big part in the Midterm elections and certainly in the next Presidential election.
As I said… Minnesota isn’t the only place where this is being investigated…. It’s just the latest to hit the headlines
There have been investigations in Arkansas, in Florida, and in Mississippi… this in Minnesota, there are ongoing investigations in both California and Texas that we know of…
It’s not a “one side” issue.. in Minnesota it’s being turned from a fraud issue into an immigration issue which is demonising an entire community
No, the focus in Minnesota is on the Somalian community because based on the convictions and evidence so far, they are the principle perpetrators of this gigantic fraud, and also because of the clear links between the community and the Democrats.
Thankfully the days when serious organised crime can be covered up for fear of being called racist, as with the UK grooming gangs, is coming to an end.
Actually the people that have been the main players and perpetrators of the fraud in Minnesota so far have been white people, so that you for playing the game
And I think you will find that according to the home office own statistics, most of the people found guilty of SA in the UK would also be white
The rest of your diatribe shows your true narrative behind starting the thread….."
Thanks at least for engaging with the subject!
In fact most of those prosecuted in the Covid era Feeding the Future scam were from the Somalian community, and the Minnesotan DA has been clear this is also the focus of most current investigation in fraud around day care centres and other welfare funded programmes. The potential figure of 9 billion comes from the Prosecutor so hardly a 'diatribe'.
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"If I got a dime every time a progressive calls someone a fascist, I will also be as rich as Musk."
"Here I wish I got that dime."
I'd estimate that maybe one billion so-called "progressives" have called Hitler a fascist, so that's $100 million.
I suspect that a small fry like you has only been called a fascist by a couple of dozen people so you're worth about two dollars and forty cents. |
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"If I got a dime every time a progressive calls someone a fascist, I will also be as rich as Musk.
Here I wish I got that dime.
I'd estimate that maybe one billion so-called "progressives" have called Hitler a fascist, so that's $100 million.
I suspect that a small fry like you has only been called a fascist by a couple of dozen people so you're worth about two dollars and forty cents."
Even people who aren't progressives call Hitler a fascist. The progressive loons call anyone who doesn't agree with their ideologies fascist. If we count that, I would be definitely worth more than the money involved in the Minnesota scandal.
They are very similar to the extreme religious nutters who call anyone who doesn't agree with their views "sinners". They even resort to witch hunting. So many similarities. |
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"Chuckles $2.40. Please keep using the label progressive as your go to insult.
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The thing about humour is it becomes awkward if you try to force it, like you trying to misread what I said and trying hard to make a joke out of it. It falls flat on the face. |
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Musk's claim of billions to be saved was wildly inaccurate and it's uncertain what has been saved. There's certainly been a lack of transparency that was suggested there would be. Heaven only knows how many lives have been lost through cutbacks too 
They've certainly cost the government money, from all the court cases that have been dragged out,where they've not even followed the law |
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"Musk's claim of billions to be saved was wildly inaccurate and it's uncertain what has been saved. There's certainly been a lack of transparency that was suggested there would be. Heaven only knows how many lives have been lost through cutbacks too
They've certainly cost the government money, from all the court cases that have been dragged out,where they've not even followed the law"
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"If I got a dime every time a progressive calls someone a fascist, I will also be as rich as Musk.
Here I wish I got that dime.
I'd estimate that maybe one billion so-called "progressives" have called Hitler a fascist, so that's $100 million.
I suspect that a small fry like you has only been called a fascist by a couple of dozen people so you're worth about two dollars and forty cents."
May we please refrain from personal attacks, thank you. |
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"Oh dear, another thread completely derailed. I wonder why some people don't want to address the issues.🤔🤣
You know why
Indeed. Shame though. The scale of the fraud in Minnesota and allegedly other US states is truly breathtaking and clearly linked to the Democrats. I imagine it will play a big part in the Midterm elections and certainly in the next Presidential election.
As I said… Minnesota isn’t the only place where this is being investigated…. It’s just the latest to hit the headlines
There have been investigations in Arkansas, in Florida, and in Mississippi… this in Minnesota, there are ongoing investigations in both California and Texas that we know of…
It’s not a “one side” issue.. in Minnesota it’s being turned from a fraud issue into an immigration issue which is demonising an entire community
No, the focus in Minnesota is on the Somalian community because based on the convictions and evidence so far, they are the principle perpetrators of this gigantic fraud, and also because of the clear links between the community and the Democrats.
Thankfully the days when serious organised crime can be covered up for fear of being called racist, as with the UK grooming gangs, is coming to an end.
Actually the people that have been the main players and perpetrators of the fraud in Minnesota so far have been white people, so that you for playing the game
And I think you will find that according to the home office own statistics, most of the people found guilty of SA in the UK would also be white
The rest of your diatribe shows your true narrative behind starting the thread….."
Wrong yet again. ABC News, hardly a Republican hotbed, has reported in the last couple of hours that of the 92 defendants charged so far 82 are Somali or of Somali descent. But I suppose they could be white Somalis. |
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It's interesting that the Minnesota scam got attention after a YouTuber posted a video visiting the daycare funds. Again, something Musk said about citizen journalism being a big thing in future because of social media. |
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"$2.40, I'm laughing so much that it's nearly painful.
I've gone beyond my usual debating protocol and will stop now, also I have better things to do.
Happy new year to everyone."
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"It's interesting that the Minnesota scam got attention after a YouTuber posted a video visiting the daycare funds. Again, something Musk said about citizen journalism being a big thing in future because of social media."
That video got 100m views and one of the empty 'Daycare Centres' was called the Learing Centre which has become an Internet meme🤣.
You make a really important point that social media journalism has cut right through msm silence on important but sensitive stories, and that will only continue. Many people predicted the demise of 'X' under Musk but its continued to grow as an international news souce while the dreadful Blue-sky is now full of cranks and anti semitism. |
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"It's interesting that the Minnesota scam got attention after a YouTuber posted a video visiting the daycare funds. Again, something Musk said about citizen journalism being a big thing in future because of social media.
That video got 100m views and one of the empty 'Daycare Centres' was called the Learing Centre which has become an Internet meme🤣.
You make a really important point that social media journalism has cut right through msm silence on important but sensitive stories, and that will only continue. Many people predicted the demise of 'X' under Musk but its continued to grow as an international news souce while the dreadful Blue-sky is now full of cranks and anti semitism."
Yeah this kind of news and videos which get popular force the politicians to act or at least make a statement addressing the issue. Unlike the MSM, which was centrally controlled and the flow of information was regulated.
Flip-side being potential for fake news spreading fast. Again, Musk was spot-on when he doubled down on using community notes to fact-check instead of "independent fact-checkers". Something which other social media giants decided to follow later. |
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"New Mayor of New York Borat Zandami today filmed giving a 'Roman salute' at his swearing in. I imagine his far left fanbase Will be outraged ! "
How much of Mandani's chest was involved though? Because apparently that makes a huge difference 🤣 |
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"New Mayor of New York Borat Zandami today filmed giving a 'Roman salute' at his swearing in. I imagine his far left fanbase Will be outraged !
How much of Mandani's chest was involved though? Because apparently that makes a huge difference 🤣"
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"New Mayor of New York Borat Zandami today filmed giving a 'Roman salute' at his swearing in. I imagine his far left fanbase Will be outraged !
How much of Mandani's chest was involved though? Because apparently that makes a huge difference 🤣
It is unfortunate our resident expert is not here to enlighten us ! 🤣🤣"
Anything from the media, left wing social lunatics ? |
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https://www.msn.com/en-in/entertainment/southcinema/nazi-salute-or-something-else-zohran-mamdanis-inaugural-gesture-is-viral/vi-AA1TrkKG
Okay, will those who have insisted that Musk's salute had Nazi vibes say the same thing about this NYC mayor, whose first acts included an almost identical salute, and removing the IHRA working definition of anti-Semitism? |
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By *otMe66Man 18 weeks ago
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"https://www.msn.com/en-in/entertainment/southcinema/nazi-salute-or-something-else-zohran-mamdanis-inaugural-gesture-is-viral/vi-AA1TrkKG
Okay, will those who have insisted that Musk's salute had Nazi vibes say the same thing about this NYC mayor, whose first acts included an almost identical salute, and removing the IHRA working definition of anti-Semitism?"
Something tells me he is going to be a one trick socialist pony that will bring NYC to its knees. |
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"https://www.msn.com/en-in/entertainment/southcinema/nazi-salute-or-something-else-zohran-mamdanis-inaugural-gesture-is-viral/vi-AA1TrkKG
Okay, will those who have insisted that Musk's salute had Nazi vibes say the same thing about this NYC mayor, whose first acts included an almost identical salute, and removing the IHRA working definition of anti-Semitism?"
For sake of clarity I don't believe for a second that either was a deliberate Nazi salute, but the inconsistent reaction is off the charts ! |
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"https://www.msn.com/en-in/entertainment/southcinema/nazi-salute-or-something-else-zohran-mamdanis-inaugural-gesture-is-viral/vi-AA1TrkKG
Okay, will those who have insisted that Musk's salute had Nazi vibes say the same thing about this NYC mayor, whose first acts included an almost identical salute, and removing the IHRA working definition of anti-Semitism?
Something tells me he is going to be a one trick socialist pony that will bring NYC to its knees. "
The combination of his ideology and total inexperience does not bode well. |
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By *otMe66Man 18 weeks ago
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"https://www.msn.com/en-in/entertainment/southcinema/nazi-salute-or-something-else-zohran-mamdanis-inaugural-gesture-is-viral/vi-AA1TrkKG
Okay, will those who have insisted that Musk's salute had Nazi vibes say the same thing about this NYC mayor, whose first acts included an almost identical salute, and removing the IHRA working definition of anti-Semitism?
For sake of clarity I don't believe for a second that either was a deliberate Nazi salute, but the inconsistent reaction is off the charts !"
I agree, neither were a nazi salute. |
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"https://www.msn.com/en-in/entertainment/southcinema/nazi-salute-or-something-else-zohran-mamdanis-inaugural-gesture-is-viral/vi-AA1TrkKG
Okay, will those who have insisted that Musk's salute had Nazi vibes say the same thing about this NYC mayor, whose first acts included an almost identical salute, and removing the IHRA working definition of anti-Semitism?
For sake of clarity I don't believe for a second that either was a deliberate Nazi salute, but the inconsistent reaction is off the charts !
I agree, neither were a nazi salute. "
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By *abioMan 18 weeks ago
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"https://www.msn.com/en-in/entertainment/southcinema/nazi-salute-or-something-else-zohran-mamdanis-inaugural-gesture-is-viral/vi-AA1TrkKG
Okay, will those who have insisted that Musk's salute had Nazi vibes say the same thing about this NYC mayor, whose first acts included an almost identical salute, and removing the IHRA working definition of anti-Semitism?"
The problem with that definition of anti semetism is that it states that any criticism of Isreal as a state or its government is classed as anti semetism….including actions such as the BDS movement in relation to Israel…
And therefore it infringes on someone’s right of freedom of speech to criticise …
That’s why it was revoked |
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"https://www.msn.com/en-in/entertainment/southcinema/nazi-salute-or-something-else-zohran-mamdanis-inaugural-gesture-is-viral/vi-AA1TrkKG
Okay, will those who have insisted that Musk's salute had Nazi vibes say the same thing about this NYC mayor, whose first acts included an almost identical salute, and removing the IHRA working definition of anti-Semitism?
The problem with that definition of anti semetism is that it states that any criticism of Isreal as a state or its government is classed as anti semetism….including actions such as the BDS movement in relation to Israel…
And therefore it infringes on someone’s right of freedom of speech to criticise …
That’s why it was revoked "
Wow, that is totally wrong and a worrying misrepresentation.
The IHRA explicitly says:
'Manifestations might include the targeting of the state of Israel, conceived as a Jewish collectivity. However, criticism of Israel similar to that leveled against any other country cannot be regarded as antisemitic.'
The previous Mayor talked about 'demonising' Israel, not criticising, and his order on not applying BDS measures to NYC pension funds is a separate issue. |
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By *abioMan 18 weeks ago
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"https://www.msn.com/en-in/entertainment/southcinema/nazi-salute-or-something-else-zohran-mamdanis-inaugural-gesture-is-viral/vi-AA1TrkKG
Okay, will those who have insisted that Musk's salute had Nazi vibes say the same thing about this NYC mayor, whose first acts included an almost identical salute, and removing the IHRA working definition of anti-Semitism?
The problem with that definition of anti semetism is that it states that any criticism of Isreal as a state or its government is classed as anti semetism….including actions such as the BDS movement in relation to Israel…
And therefore it infringes on someone’s right of freedom of speech to criticise …
That’s why it was revoked
Wow, that is totally wrong and a worrying misrepresentation.
The IHRA explicitly says:
'Manifestations might include the targeting of the state of Israel, conceived as a Jewish collectivity. However, criticism of Israel similar to that leveled against any other country cannot be regarded as antisemitic.'
The previous Mayor talked about 'demonising' Israel, not criticising, and his order on not applying BDS measures to NYC pension funds is a separate issue."
Nice…. One problem with what you have written….
If you have a look at the list of examples given… one on the explicitly mentioned
Comparing any facet of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the nazis….
So when people mention of use the word genocide to describe what Israel is doing to the people in Gaza, certain groups scream antisemitism to stifle speech and debate…… |
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By *otMe66Man 17 weeks ago
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"https://www.msn.com/en-in/entertainment/southcinema/nazi-salute-or-something-else-zohran-mamdanis-inaugural-gesture-is-viral/vi-AA1TrkKG
Okay, will those who have insisted that Musk's salute had Nazi vibes say the same thing about this NYC mayor, whose first acts included an almost identical salute, and removing the IHRA working definition of anti-Semitism?
The problem with that definition of anti semetism is that it states that any criticism of Isreal as a state or its government is classed as anti semetism….including actions such as the BDS movement in relation to Israel…
And therefore it infringes on someone’s right of freedom of speech to criticise …
That’s why it was revoked "
If the definition of antisemitism is a "problem" that can be simply revoked because the mayor of NYC is not in agreement, we must be able to have the same conversation regarding all other restrictions towards freedom of speech and how Trump is not unique in his approach? |
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By *abioMan 17 weeks ago
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"https://www.msn.com/en-in/entertainment/southcinema/nazi-salute-or-something-else-zohran-mamdanis-inaugural-gesture-is-viral/vi-AA1TrkKG
Okay, will those who have insisted that Musk's salute had Nazi vibes say the same thing about this NYC mayor, whose first acts included an almost identical salute, and removing the IHRA working definition of anti-Semitism?
The problem with that definition of anti semetism is that it states that any criticism of Isreal as a state or its government is classed as anti semetism….including actions such as the BDS movement in relation to Israel…
And therefore it infringes on someone’s right of freedom of speech to criticise …
That’s why it was revoked
If the definition of antisemitism is a "problem" that can be simply revoked because the mayor of NYC is not in agreement, we must be able to have the same conversation regarding all other restrictions towards freedom of speech and how Trump is not unique in his approach? "
You could…. If you recognise that definition was also added by former mayor Eric Adams via Executive Order, so it was added just because a former mayor agreed (you could argue it was put in there to try and scupper the Mamdani campaign to become mayor when it was clear he was not going to win in either the democratic contest or the general election)
What the Mamdani administration actually did was to rescind all “executive orders” made by former mayor Eric Adams after 26 September 2024….
The reason why that date is important is that was the the date that a grand jury found that the government had a case against Adams for federal charges of corruption against him and his administration
That case magically disappeared and were dropped when Trump used it as leverage to get Adams to allow ICE operations in NYC (several high ranking DA’s in the Manhattan DA office resigned over the decision)
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"https://www.msn.com/en-in/entertainment/southcinema/nazi-salute-or-something-else-zohran-mamdanis-inaugural-gesture-is-viral/vi-AA1TrkKG
Okay, will those who have insisted that Musk's salute had Nazi vibes say the same thing about this NYC mayor, whose first acts included an almost identical salute, and removing the IHRA working definition of anti-Semitism?
The problem with that definition of anti semetism is that it states that any criticism of Isreal as a state or its government is classed as anti semetism….including actions such as the BDS movement in relation to Israel…
And therefore it infringes on someone’s right of freedom of speech to criticise …
That’s why it was revoked
Wow, that is totally wrong and a worrying misrepresentation.
The IHRA explicitly says:
'Manifestations might include the targeting of the state of Israel, conceived as a Jewish collectivity. However, criticism of Israel similar to that leveled against any other country cannot be regarded as antisemitic.'
The previous Mayor talked about 'demonising' Israel, not criticising, and his order on not applying BDS measures to NYC pension funds is a separate issue.
Nice…. One problem with what you have written….
If you have a look at the list of examples given… one on the explicitly mentioned
Comparing any facet of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the nazis….
So when people mention of use the word genocide to describe what Israel is doing to the people in Gaza, certain groups scream antisemitism to stifle speech and debate……"
Comparing Israel to the Nazis is so obviously anti semitic that it hardly needs an explanation. |
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"Of course he's right, he's actually a Nazi and proudly Nazi salutes in front of the cameras; a great example for humanity.
It only took 9 replies for somebody to invoke Godwin's law.  "
But is it really Godwin’s when he actually does it… or are you another one who is going to let it slide by calling it a rather vigorous Roman salute…….
I mean…. Adolf did one, benito did the other… same difference? |
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"Of course he's right, he's actually a Nazi and proudly Nazi salutes in front of the cameras; a great example for humanity.
It only took 9 replies for somebody to invoke Godwin's law.
But is it really Godwin’s when he actually does it… or are you another one who is going to let it slide by calling it a rather vigorous Roman salute…….
I mean…. Adolf did one, benito did the other… same difference? "
And which did Mamdani do? |
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"Of course he's right, he's actually a Nazi and proudly Nazi salutes in front of the cameras; a great example for humanity.
It only took 9 replies for somebody to invoke Godwin's law.
But is it really Godwin’s when he actually does it… or are you another one who is going to let it slide by calling it a rather vigorous Roman salute…….
I mean…. Adolf did one, benito did the other… same difference?
And which did Mamdani do? "
Depends on his chest position/size apparently |
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