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"It is a remarkably under reported event, considering the implications of Iranians protesting against the regime and sanctions that were reintroduced in September that may have caused an immediate reaction. " No Jews, no news 😏 | |||
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"It is a remarkably under reported event, considering the implications of Iranians protesting against the regime and sanctions that were reintroduced in September that may have caused an immediate reaction. No Jews, no news 😏" Cue someone blaming Mossad for this... | |||
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"It is a remarkably under reported event, considering the implications of Iranians protesting against the regime and sanctions that were reintroduced in September that may have caused an immediate reaction. No Jews, no news 😏 Cue someone blaming Mossad for this..." Or whilst not blaming or even thanking them acknowledging that all events such as this will either be started by the population with support and resources as it progresses (or doesn't) from other regional and global players.. Twas ever thus.. Fully echo the recognition that these on the streets are very brave given the Iranian regime is atrocious and brutal.. | |||
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" Fully echo the recognition that these on the streets are very brave given the Iranian regime is atrocious and brutal.." Agreed. The good people will stand up. Every Persian/Iranian we know is delightful, and the current regime is a blight upon the entire region. We look forward to the day that it ends, and hope fervently that it emerges with a viable government that works well for everyone. What's more hopeful than, say, Syria, is that there is no violent Sunni presence as the alternative, it's mostly progressive secular educated people who want change. The rest of the world needs to be racing to lend any assistance that a new regime would need, without simply looking to self-interestedly r@pe it for resources or growth opportunities. | |||
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"It is a remarkably under reported event, considering the implications of Iranians protesting against the regime and sanctions that were reintroduced in September that may have caused an immediate reaction. No Jews, no news 😏 Cue someone blaming Mossad for this... Or whilst not blaming or even thanking them acknowledging that all events such as this will either be started by the population with support and resources as it progresses (or doesn't) from other regional and global players.. Twas ever thus.. Fully echo the recognition that these on the streets are very brave given the Iranian regime is atrocious and brutal.." This may appear very counterintuitive but the fact is……Iranian Jews are safer than Israeli Jews where violent attacks are concerned. They have the second largest Jewish population in the Middle East. Iranian Jews live in peace, vote and even represent in government. | |||
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" Fully echo the recognition that these on the streets are very brave given the Iranian regime is atrocious and brutal.. Agreed. The good people will stand up. Every Persian/Iranian we know is delightful, and the current regime is a blight upon the entire region. We look forward to the day that it ends, and hope fervently that it emerges with a viable government that works well for everyone. What's more hopeful than, say, Syria, is that there is no violent Sunni presence as the alternative, it's mostly progressive secular educated people who want change. The rest of the world needs to be racing to lend any assistance that a new regime would need, without simply looking to self-interestedly r@pe it for resources or growth opportunities." One would agree, can almost imagine one person thinking 'hotels, casinos and golf courses' rather than a free democratic secular society.. | |||
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" One would agree, can almost imagine one person thinking 'hotels, casinos and golf courses' rather than a free democratic secular society.." Oil... Oil... Oil... Oink! | |||
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" One would agree, can almost imagine one person thinking 'hotels, casinos and golf courses' rather than a free democratic secular society.." To be fair, those are all great ideas, add long as it doesn't hinge on corruption and giving power to cronies. Unfortunately... That's (ahem) par for the course... | |||
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" This may appear very counterintuitive but the fact is……Iranian Jews are safer than Israeli Jews where violent attacks are concerned. They have the second largest Jewish population in the Middle East. Iranian Jews live in peace, vote and even represent in government. " This is very true. So long as they demonstrate a distance from Zionism (actively). The big issue that Iran has with Israel is that they're "Jews who don't know their place". According to their theology, Jews living as Jews, but under Islamic rule, is the way things should be. This is also why they fund and acknowledge the fringe Jewish group Neturei Karata, who believe that Jews should be subjugated to other nations until the Messiah comes (which is never, to Islamic thought). So, in short, Jews who know their place under Islam = good. Jews who conquer/rule land once conquered by Islam = bad. | |||
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" One would agree, can almost imagine one person thinking 'hotels, casinos and golf courses' rather than a free democratic secular society.. Oil... Oil... Oil... Oink!"   | |||
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"All the best to them. With any luck, we’ll one day see a free and secular and friendly Iran, and a free democratic Palestine " And Sudan and Yemen | |||
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"Not one public statement of support from Starmer or Cooper." Of course not. They wouldn't want to upset their mates in Hamas would they? | |||
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"Not one public statement of support from Starmer or Cooper." It would not necessarily age well, whatever they say. They will want to see how things play out first. It's far from certain what's going to happen. And commenting on other government's purely domestic issues before they become international is (usually) a mug's game. | |||
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"I think the Iranian government is in trouble. You can’t hide a currency crisis. Lack of currency directly impacts your ability to pay the police and army and without that the Mullahs won’t scare anyone. The public appear to be getting braver and it feels to me like a showdown between the public and the government is going to have to happen soon." Remember that baby of the IRGC are religious or ideologically motivated and that the spectre of collapse might not go well for them, as loyalist forces in Syria discovered. For those with the guns, revolution might mean more than just a payday. | |||
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"I think the Iranian government is in trouble. You can’t hide a currency crisis. Lack of currency directly impacts your ability to pay the police and army and without that the Mullahs won’t scare anyone. The public appear to be getting braver and it feels to me like a showdown between the public and the government is going to have to happen soon. Remember that baby of the IRGC are religious or ideologically motivated and that the spectre of collapse might not go well for them, as loyalist forces in Syria discovered. For those with the guns, revolution might mean more than just a payday." I agree but that is a hardcore minority of the security services. All dictatorships have them but they rely on the wider military as well. A change in regime rarely ends well for the security services (although the KGB did pretty well out of the fall of the Soviet Union). This current protest appear to be being driven by traders on the streets and not students like in the past. The government seems to be be trying to reconcile the public which is not the standard approach. I think it will end in violence. | |||
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"Absolutely extraordinary the lack of media coverage of this story, wtf going on ? 😏" A totalitarian regime not wanting the images etc going out? And a place where Western journalists if they go, end up as hostages.. | |||
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"Not one public statement of support from Starmer or Cooper." Democratic leaders in any country have to tread warily with such things.. If it gets to a point where change is actually about to happen then all countries that oppose the current regime will say something.. That's always been the norm.. | |||
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"Absolutely extraordinary the lack of media coverage of this story, wtf going on ? 😏 A totalitarian regime not wanting the images etc going out? And a place where Western journalists if they go, end up as hostages.." I looked online and found videos with some reports detailing the 5 days of protests, but there is a lack of focus from our media. The BBC have updated their reporting about an hour or so ago, but it is heavily caveated that they have not been able to verify X, Y and Z, which we know from their previous reporting from other uprisings and conflicts isn't a gold plated offering of truth. I'm not sure why this is so different. | |||
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"Absolutely extraordinary the lack of media coverage of this story, wtf going on ? 😏 A totalitarian regime not wanting the images etc going out? And a place where Western journalists if they go, end up as hostages.." Yet the Beeb and others were happy to rely on Hamas stooges for 24/7 coverage of Gaza ? You make fair points but feels like politics at work here too. | |||
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"Absolutely extraordinary the lack of media coverage of this story, wtf going on ? 😏 A totalitarian regime not wanting the images etc going out? And a place where Western journalists if they go, end up as hostages.. Yet the Beeb and others were happy to rely on Hamas stooges for 24/7 coverage of Gaza ? You make fair points but feels like politics at work here too." We were repeatedly told that Israel was blocking journalists from entering while also sending us live videos all the time. I wonder what's different this time. | |||
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"Absolutely extraordinary the lack of media coverage of this story, wtf going on ? 😏 A totalitarian regime not wanting the images etc going out? And a place where Western journalists if they go, end up as hostages.. I looked online and found videos with some reports detailing the 5 days of protests, but there is a lack of focus from our media. The BBC have updated their reporting about an hour or so ago, but it is heavily caveated that they have not been able to verify X, Y and Z, which we know from their previous reporting from other uprisings and conflicts isn't a gold plated offering of truth. I'm not sure why this is so different." Maybe ask them? 
Or pose a question that you know will attract those who only come out with the same old tedious attacks.
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"Absolutely extraordinary the lack of media coverage of this story, wtf going on ? 😏 A totalitarian regime not wanting the images etc going out? And a place where Western journalists if they go, end up as hostages.. Yet the Beeb and others were happy to rely on Hamas stooges for 24/7 coverage of Gaza ? You make fair points but feels like politics at work here too." Like no shit sherlock, in a politics forum too.. Tbh there's more media out there other than the beeb upon which to get an idea what's going on.. | |||
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"Absolutely extraordinary the lack of media coverage of this story, wtf going on ? 😏 A totalitarian regime not wanting the images etc going out? And a place where Western journalists if they go, end up as hostages.. Yet the Beeb and others were happy to rely on Hamas stooges for 24/7 coverage of Gaza ? You make fair points but feels like politics at work here too. We were repeatedly told that Israel was blocking journalists from entering while also sending us live videos all the time. I wonder what's different this time." There's loads of footage on X, no reason why Msm can't share this with caveats and analysis. Unfortunately a lot of leftists are supportive of the current regime simply because it is anti West and anti Israel, their two main criteria for any foreign policy position. | |||
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"Unconfirmed reports Khamenni has left Tehran. 🙏" That's interesting.. | |||
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"Absolutely extraordinary the lack of media coverage of this story, wtf going on ? 😏 A totalitarian regime not wanting the images etc going out? And a place where Western journalists if they go, end up as hostages.. Yet the Beeb and others were happy to rely on Hamas stooges for 24/7 coverage of Gaza ? You make fair points but feels like politics at work here too. We were repeatedly told that Israel was blocking journalists from entering while also sending us live videos all the time. I wonder what's different this time. There's loads of footage on X, no reason why Msm can't share this with caveats and analysis. Unfortunately a lot of leftists are supportive of the current regime simply because it is anti West and anti Israel, their two main criteria for any foreign policy position." With respect that's a pretty ignorant biased opinion.. Do you mean like the international brigade in the 30s? Why do you think people who are left leaning of any persuasion or to whichever degree are supportive of a butchering regime that is anti West..? | |||
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"Unfortunately a lot of leftists are supportive of the current regime simply because it is anti West and anti Israel, their two main criteria for any foreign policy position." Which leftists? | |||
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"Unfortunately a lot of leftists are supportive of the current regime simply because it is anti West and anti Israel, their two main criteria for any foreign policy position. Which leftists?" How about the Guardian who this week gave a column to the Iranian Foreign Minister while his Govt was machine gunning protesters? Or the Communists in Iran who supported and enabled the Islamic Revolution? | |||
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"Absolutely extraordinary the lack of media coverage of this story, wtf going on ? 😏 A totalitarian regime not wanting the images etc going out? And a place where Western journalists if they go, end up as hostages.. Yet the Beeb and others were happy to rely on Hamas stooges for 24/7 coverage of Gaza ? You make fair points but feels like politics at work here too. We were repeatedly told that Israel was blocking journalists from entering while also sending us live videos all the time. I wonder what's different this time. There's loads of footage on X, no reason why Msm can't share this with caveats and analysis. Unfortunately a lot of leftists are supportive of the current regime simply because it is anti West and anti Israel, their two main criteria for any foreign policy position. With respect that's a pretty ignorant biased opinion.. Do you mean like the international brigade in the 30s? Why do you think people who are left leaning of any persuasion or to whichever degree are supportive of a butchering regime that is anti West..? " I said 'a lot', not all.  | |||
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"Absolutely extraordinary the lack of media coverage of this story, wtf going on ? 😏 A totalitarian regime not wanting the images etc going out? And a place where Western journalists if they go, end up as hostages.. Yet the Beeb and others were happy to rely on Hamas stooges for 24/7 coverage of Gaza ? You make fair points but feels like politics at work here too. We were repeatedly told that Israel was blocking journalists from entering while also sending us live videos all the time. I wonder what's different this time. There's loads of footage on X, no reason why Msm can't share this with caveats and analysis. Unfortunately a lot of leftists are supportive of the current regime simply because it is anti West and anti Israel, their two main criteria for any foreign policy position. With respect that's a pretty ignorant biased opinion.. Do you mean like the international brigade in the 30s? Why do you think people who are left leaning of any persuasion or to whichever degree are supportive of a butchering regime that is anti West..? I said 'a lot', not all. "I clearly didnt say you said all.. 
I mean as you seem to be ducking the question, I don't know many people of any persuasion who think 'A Lot' of right wing leaning people supported pinochet the right wing butcher ..
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""If Iran shoots and violently kills peaceful protesters, which is their custom, the United States of America will come to their rescue. We are locked and loaded and ready to go. Thank you for your attention to this matter! President DONALD J.TRUMP" Ooh... Things just got interesting." Wow 😯 | |||
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"Absolutely extraordinary the lack of media coverage of this story, wtf going on ? 😏 A totalitarian regime not wanting the images etc going out? And a place where Western journalists if they go, end up as hostages.. Yet the Beeb and others were happy to rely on Hamas stooges for 24/7 coverage of Gaza ? You make fair points but feels like politics at work here too. We were repeatedly told that Israel was blocking journalists from entering while also sending us live videos all the time. I wonder what's different this time. There's loads of footage on X, no reason why Msm can't share this with caveats and analysis. Unfortunately a lot of leftists are supportive of the current regime simply because it is anti West and anti Israel, their two main criteria for any foreign policy position. With respect that's a pretty ignorant biased opinion.. Do you mean like the international brigade in the 30s? Why do you think people who are left leaning of any persuasion or to whichever degree are supportive of a butchering regime that is anti West..? I said 'a lot', not all.
I clearly didnt say you said all..
I mean as you seem to be ducking the question, I don't know many people of any persuasion who think 'A Lot' of right wing leaning people supported pinochet the right wing butcher ..
Do you?"Why would I answer a question calling me 'ignorant' or go wildly off topic talking about Chile or the Spanish Civil War that happened 90 years ago ! Let's stick to Iran and hopefully celebrate a successful popular uprising against the Islamic dictatorship 🙏🙏🙏 | |||
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""If Iran shoots and violently kills peaceful protesters, which is their custom, the United States of America will come to their rescue. We are locked and loaded and ready to go. Thank you for your attention to this matter! President DONALD J.TRUMP" Ooh... Things just got interesting. Wow 😯" The tangerine one is renowned for his late night barking mad tweets. There us no way the 7th Cavalry will come charging over the hill to save the poor old Iranian oppressed. The sooner they commit the daft old bugger the better. | |||
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""If Iran shoots and violently kills peaceful protesters, which is their custom, the United States of America will come to their rescue. We are locked and loaded and ready to go. Thank you for your attention to this matter! President DONALD J.TRUMP" Ooh... Things just got interesting." Hasn't there already been innocent protectors shot and killed, Mrs x | |||
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""If Iran shoots and violently kills peaceful protesters, which is their custom, the United States of America will come to their rescue. We are locked and loaded and ready to go. Thank you for your attention to this matter! President DONALD J.TRUMP" Ooh... Things just got interesting.Hasn't there already been innocent protectors shot and killed, Mrs x" Protesters obviously not protectors, Mrs x | |||
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""If Iran shoots and violently kills peaceful protesters, which is their custom, the United States of America will come to their rescue. We are locked and loaded and ready to go. Thank you for your attention to this matter! President DONALD J.TRUMP" Ooh... Things just got interesting. Wow 😯 The tangerine one is renowned for his late night barking mad tweets. There us no way the 7th Cavalry will come charging over the hill to save the poor old Iranian oppressed. The sooner they commit the daft old bugger the better." It might not be the most elegant message but it is coming from the leader of a country that attacked and damaged Iran's nuclear facilities, that will be a cause for concern. | |||
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"Absolutely extraordinary the lack of media coverage of this story, wtf going on ? 😏 A totalitarian regime not wanting the images etc going out? And a place where Western journalists if they go, end up as hostages.. Yet the Beeb and others were happy to rely on Hamas stooges for 24/7 coverage of Gaza ? You make fair points but feels like politics at work here too. We were repeatedly told that Israel was blocking journalists from entering while also sending us live videos all the time. I wonder what's different this time. There's loads of footage on X, no reason why Msm can't share this with caveats and analysis. Unfortunately a lot of leftists are supportive of the current regime simply because it is anti West and anti Israel, their two main criteria for any foreign policy position. With respect that's a pretty ignorant biased opinion.. Do you mean like the international brigade in the 30s? Why do you think people who are left leaning of any persuasion or to whichever degree are supportive of a butchering regime that is anti West..? I said 'a lot', not all.
I clearly didnt say you said all..
I mean as you seem to be ducking the question, I don't know many people of any persuasion who think 'A Lot' of right wing leaning people supported pinochet the right wing butcher ..
Do you?
Why would I answer a question calling me 'ignorant' or go wildly off topic talking about Chile or the Spanish Civil War that happened 90 years ago !
Let's stick to Iran and hopefully celebrate a successful popular uprising against the Islamic dictatorship 🙏🙏🙏"Hiding your ignorance (or far right ideology?) by refusing to answer because your upset..
Bollocks.. | |||
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"Absolutely extraordinary the lack of media coverage of this story, wtf going on ? 😏 A totalitarian regime not wanting the images etc going out? And a place where Western journalists if they go, end up as hostages.. Yet the Beeb and others were happy to rely on Hamas stooges for 24/7 coverage of Gaza ? You make fair points but feels like politics at work here too. We were repeatedly told that Israel was blocking journalists from entering while also sending us live videos all the time. I wonder what's different this time. There's loads of footage on X, no reason why Msm can't share this with caveats and analysis. Unfortunately a lot of leftists are supportive of the current regime simply because it is anti West and anti Israel, their two main criteria for any foreign policy position. With respect that's a pretty ignorant biased opinion.. Do you mean like the international brigade in the 30s? Why do you think people who are left leaning of any persuasion or to whichever degree are supportive of a butchering regime that is anti West..? I said 'a lot', not all.
I clearly didnt say you said all..
I mean as you seem to be ducking the question, I don't know many people of any persuasion who think 'A Lot' of right wing leaning people supported pinochet the right wing butcher ..
Do you?
Why would I answer a question calling me 'ignorant' or go wildly off topic talking about Chile or the Spanish Civil War that happened 90 years ago !
Let's stick to Iran and hopefully celebrate a successful popular uprising against the Islamic dictatorship 🙏🙏🙏
Hiding your ignorance (or far right ideology?) by refusing to answer because your upset..
Bollocks.. " | |||
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""If Iran shoots and violently kills peaceful protesters, which is their custom, the United States of America will come to their rescue. We are locked and loaded and ready to go. Thank you for your attention to this matter! President DONALD J.TRUMP" Ooh... Things just got interesting. Wow 😯 The tangerine one is renowned for his late night barking mad tweets. There us no way the 7th Cavalry will come charging over the hill to save the poor old Iranian oppressed. The sooner they commit the daft old bugger the better. It might not be the most elegant message but it is coming from the leader of a country that attacked and damaged Iran's nuclear facilities, that will be a cause for concern. " Trump is a capricious and unreliable ally. But it's more about sending a message, to encourage the protestors. He's come in a little early, though. Let's see where it leads. He will look a right idiot if the regime machine guns down 20 protestors and he does nothing... | |||
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""If Iran shoots and violently kills peaceful protesters, which is their custom, the United States of America will come to their rescue. We are locked and loaded and ready to go. Thank you for your attention to this matter! President DONALD J.TRUMP" Ooh... Things just got interesting. Wow 😯 The tangerine one is renowned for his late night barking mad tweets. There us no way the 7th Cavalry will come charging over the hill to save the poor old Iranian oppressed. The sooner they commit the daft old bugger the better. It might not be the most elegant message but it is coming from the leader of a country that attacked and damaged Iran's nuclear facilities, that will be a cause for concern. Trump is a capricious and unreliable ally. But it's more about sending a message, to encourage the protestors. He's come in a little early, though. Let's see where it leads. He will look a right idiot if the regime machine guns down 20 protestors and he does nothing..." And if he is just making hollow promises not for the first time after such an event that will possibly only strengthen those hardliners to act in such a brutal way elsewhere to quash any more protests.. | |||
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""If Iran shoots and violently kills peaceful protesters, which is their custom, the United States of America will come to their rescue. We are locked and loaded and ready to go. Thank you for your attention to this matter! President DONALD J.TRUMP" Ooh... Things just got interesting. Wow 😯 The tangerine one is renowned for his late night barking mad tweets. There us no way the 7th Cavalry will come charging over the hill to save the poor old Iranian oppressed. The sooner they commit the daft old bugger the better. It might not be the most elegant message but it is coming from the leader of a country that attacked and damaged Iran's nuclear facilities, that will be a cause for concern. " He will never get credit from his haters but Trump has generally played a blinder on all his Middle East Policy. If (and its a huge if) the regime does fall then he and Israel will have played a major role. | |||
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" He will never get credit from his haters but Trump has generally played a blinder on all his Middle East Policy. If (and its a huge if) the regime does fall then he and Israel will have played a major role." It's a difficult balancing act. The regime can actually use foreign interference to (a) galvanise support from patriotically minded people or those who don't like the supporting regime (US/Israel/UK/EU), and (b) use it as an evidence/an excuse to eliminate"traitors". | |||
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" He will never get credit from his haters but Trump has generally played a blinder on all his Middle East Policy. If (and its a huge if) the regime does fall then he and Israel will have played a major role. It's a difficult balancing act. The regime can actually use foreign interference to (a) galvanise support from patriotically minded people or those who don't like the supporting regime (US/Israel/UK/EU), and (b) use it as an evidence/an excuse to eliminate"traitors"." This is also true. | |||
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""If Iran shoots and violently kills peaceful protesters, which is their custom, the United States of America will come to their rescue. We are locked and loaded and ready to go. Thank you for your attention to this matter! President DONALD J.TRUMP" Ooh... Things just got interesting. Wow 😯 The tangerine one is renowned for his late night barking mad tweets. There us no way the 7th Cavalry will come charging over the hill to save the poor old Iranian oppressed. The sooner they commit the daft old bugger the better. It might not be the most elegant message but it is coming from the leader of a country that attacked and damaged Iran's nuclear facilities, that will be a cause for concern. He will never get credit from his haters but Trump has generally played a blinder on all his Middle East Policy. If (and its a huge if) the regime does fall then he and Israel will have played a major role." At face value, I think the reintroduction of sanctions in September hurt the Iranian economy quickly. I agree with US support, Israel hit the Iranian leadership and infrastructure hard, with retaliation being less than impressive it could be playing into a national sense of weakness in the regime when post 2022 it was feared. | |||
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""If Iran shoots and violently kills peaceful protesters, which is their custom, the United States of America will come to their rescue. We are locked and loaded and ready to go. Thank you for your attention to this matter! President DONALD J.TRUMP" Ooh... Things just got interesting. Wow 😯 The tangerine one is renowned for his late night barking mad tweets. There us no way the 7th Cavalry will come charging over the hill to save the poor old Iranian oppressed. The sooner they commit the daft old bugger the better. It might not be the most elegant message but it is coming from the leader of a country that attacked and damaged Iran's nuclear facilities, that will be a cause for concern. He will never get credit from his haters but Trump has generally played a blinder on all his Middle East Policy. If (and its a huge if) the regime does fall then he and Israel will have played a major role. At face value, I think the reintroduction of sanctions in September hurt the Iranian economy quickly. I agree with US support, Israel hit the Iranian leadership and infrastructure hard, with retaliation being less than impressive it could be playing into a national sense of weakness in the regime when post 2022 it was feared. " Been reading about the Green Revolution in Iran in 2009 and how Obama failed to get involved when the regime was probably at its weakest since 1979. | |||
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"All is well. Iranians to "receive an amount equivalent to one million Tomans (approximately $7) per person per month, which is credited to their accounts for four months,” government spokeswoman Fatemeh Mohajerani tells state TV." That currency conversion | |||
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"All is well. Iranians to "receive an amount equivalent to one million Tomans (approximately $7) per person per month, which is credited to their accounts for four months,” government spokeswoman Fatemeh Mohajerani tells state TV. That currency conversion "To be fair, it might have fluctuated since posting... | |||
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"All is well. Iranians to "receive an amount equivalent to one million Tomans (approximately $7) per person per month, which is credited to their accounts for four months,” government spokeswoman Fatemeh Mohajerani tells state TV." Words are failing me.... | |||
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"The popular revolution does seem to be making progress and increasing in support. The BBC's lack of coverage is now embarrassing and a total failure of impartial journalism." Agreed, this could be a pivotal moment in world affairs, and reporting is buried away and a low key affair.  | |||
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"The popular revolution does seem to be making progress and increasing in support. The BBC's lack of coverage is now embarrassing and a total failure of impartial journalism. Agreed, this could be a pivotal moment in world affairs, and reporting is buried away and a low key affair. "I think most on here will know that I'm not a big BBC lover. However, to be fair Trump has given them an awful lot more to talk about right now. | |||
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"The popular revolution does seem to be making progress and increasing in support. The BBC's lack of coverage is now embarrassing and a total failure of impartial journalism. Agreed, this could be a pivotal moment in world affairs, and reporting is buried away and a low key affair. "How on earth is the ICE shooting in Minnesota the top story on BBC website? | |||
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"The popular revolution does seem to be making progress and increasing in support. The BBC's lack of coverage is now embarrassing and a total failure of impartial journalism. Agreed, this could be a pivotal moment in world affairs, and reporting is buried away and a low key affair.
How on earth is the ICE shooting in Minnesota the top story on BBC website? "Presumably, algorithms help to determine what people want to engage with. It's the top article on Daily Mail & Independent and on the front page of GB News. So it's not just the BBC's editorial team giving it prominence. | |||
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"The popular revolution does seem to be making progress and increasing in support. The BBC's lack of coverage is now embarrassing and a total failure of impartial journalism. Agreed, this could be a pivotal moment in world affairs, and reporting is buried away and a low key affair.
I think most on here will know that I'm not a big BBC lover.
However, to be fair Trump has given them an awful lot more to talk about right now."This.. Iran isn't exactly known for its free unfettered access to western journalists either.. Quite interesting seeing those who usually lable the beeb as fake news suddenly become so keen on their work.. 
Ps. Its on their website front page.. | |||
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"The popular revolution does seem to be making progress and increasing in support. The BBC's lack of coverage is now embarrassing and a total failure of impartial journalism. Agreed, this could be a pivotal moment in world affairs, and reporting is buried away and a low key affair.
I think most on here will know that I'm not a big BBC lover.
However, to be fair Trump has given them an awful lot more to talk about right now.
This..
Iran isn't exactly known for its free unfettered access to western journalists either..
Quite interesting seeing those who usually lable the beeb as fake news suddenly become so keen on their work..
Ps. Its on their website front page.. "Not one story about Iran on my website front page.🤷 BTW there are numerous high profile people on X like historian Simon Schama, John Cleese, Omid Dhalili, etc making exactly same point so the idea this is just attacking the Beeb is not really credible. | |||
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"The popular revolution does seem to be making progress and increasing in support. The BBC's lack of coverage is now embarrassing and a total failure of impartial journalism. Agreed, this could be a pivotal moment in world affairs, and reporting is buried away and a low key affair.
I think most on here will know that I'm not a big BBC lover.
However, to be fair Trump has given them an awful lot more to talk about right now.
This..
Iran isn't exactly known for its free unfettered access to western journalists either..
Quite interesting seeing those who usually lable the beeb as fake news suddenly become so keen on their work..
Ps. Its on their website front page..
Not one story about Iran on my website front page.🤷
BTW there are numerous high profile people on X like historian Simon Schama, John Cleese, Omid Dhalili, etc making exactly same point so the idea this is just attacking the Beeb is not really credible."The Beeb have said on numerous occasions that they are not biased. A bit like Hitler saying he wasn’t going to invade Poland but hey ho. Any organisation that has the luxury of policing themselves must be totally above reproach surely? They have also said anyone who thinks they are biased or anyone who attacks them are far right, Nazi fascists. So let’s just sit back and drink the coolade, they have said that it’s in our best interests | |||
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"The popular revolution does seem to be making progress and increasing in support. The BBC's lack of coverage is now embarrassing and a total failure of impartial journalism. Agreed, this could be a pivotal moment in world affairs, and reporting is buried away and a low key affair.
How on earth is the ICE shooting in Minnesota the top story on BBC website?
Presumably, algorithms help to determine what people want to engage with. It's the top article on Daily Mail & Independent and on the front page of GB News. So it's not just the BBC's editorial team giving it prominence."Maybe it has more to do with media outlets having more room to sensationalise a story. "only a mile away from George Floyd was killed" "ICE" | |||
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"The popular revolution does seem to be making progress and increasing in support. The BBC's lack of coverage is now embarrassing and a total failure of impartial journalism. Agreed, this could be a pivotal moment in world affairs, and reporting is buried away and a low key affair.
I think most on here will know that I'm not a big BBC lover.
However, to be fair Trump has given them an awful lot more to talk about right now.
This..
Iran isn't exactly known for its free unfettered access to western journalists either..
Quite interesting seeing those who usually lable the beeb as fake news suddenly become so keen on their work..
Ps. Its on their website front page..
Not one story about Iran on my website front page.🤷
BTW there are numerous high profile people on X like historian Simon Schama, John Cleese, Omid Dhalili, etc making exactly same point so the idea this is just attacking the Beeb is not really credible."Thanks for the correction, it was on there late last night.. Because others have raised it doesn't mean input on here in this thread (and as is regularly the case whenever the Beeb is in the news itself) isn't attacking them.. It's constant from some, they have and will make mistakes given the size of the organisation and what they do only a fool would think they won't.. Context is ignored by those people with an agenda to replace them with the very right wing media we see in other countries.. | |||
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"The popular revolution does seem to be making progress and increasing in support. The BBC's lack of coverage is now embarrassing and a total failure of impartial journalism. Agreed, this could be a pivotal moment in world affairs, and reporting is buried away and a low key affair.
I think most on here will know that I'm not a big BBC lover.
However, to be fair Trump has given them an awful lot more to talk about right now.
This..
Iran isn't exactly known for its free unfettered access to western journalists either..
Quite interesting seeing those who usually lable the beeb as fake news suddenly become so keen on their work..
Ps. Its on their website front page..
Not one story about Iran on my website front page.🤷
BTW there are numerous high profile people on X like historian Simon Schama, John Cleese, Omid Dhalili, etc making exactly same point so the idea this is just attacking the Beeb is not really credible.
Thanks for the correction, it was on there late last night..
Because others have raised it doesn't mean input on here in this thread (and as is regularly the case whenever the Beeb is in the news itself) isn't attacking them..
It's constant from some, they have and will make mistakes given the size of the organisation and what they do only a fool would think they won't..
Context is ignored by those people with an agenda to replace them with the very right wing media we see in other countries.."I don’t have an issue with left wing media or right wing media. We can choose to digest whatever flavour suits our palette. What I have an issue with is the “national broadcaster” that has a mandate in its charter to not be biased, be blatantly biased. For that organisation to enjoy protection of the law to guarantee its funding. And for it to enjoy the privilege of self policing. I’d love to hear from someone who actually thinks those 3 things are good. | |||
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"The popular revolution does seem to be making progress and increasing in support. The BBC's lack of coverage is now embarrassing and a total failure of impartial journalism. Agreed, this could be a pivotal moment in world affairs, and reporting is buried away and a low key affair.
I think most on here will know that I'm not a big BBC lover.
However, to be fair Trump has given them an awful lot more to talk about right now.
This..
Iran isn't exactly known for its free unfettered access to western journalists either..
Quite interesting seeing those who usually lable the beeb as fake news suddenly become so keen on their work..
Ps. Its on their website front page..
Not one story about Iran on my website front page.🤷
BTW there are numerous high profile people on X like historian Simon Schama, John Cleese, Omid Dhalili, etc making exactly same point so the idea this is just attacking the Beeb is not really credible.
Thanks for the correction, it was on there late last night..
Because others have raised it doesn't mean input on here in this thread (and as is regularly the case whenever the Beeb is in the news itself) isn't attacking them..
It's constant from some, they have and will make mistakes given the size of the organisation and what they do only a fool would think they won't..
Context is ignored by those people with an agenda to replace them with the very right wing media we see in other countries..
I don’t have an issue with left wing media or right wing media. We can choose to digest whatever flavour suits our palette. What I have an issue with is the “national broadcaster” that has a mandate in its charter to not be biased, be blatantly biased. For that organisation to enjoy protection of the law to guarantee its funding. And for it to enjoy the privilege of self policing.
I’d love to hear from someone who actually thinks those 3 things are good. "No organisation should be self policing but it has to be all who organisations, be that a political party, charities, public sector plus the multitude of others so on that point i agree.. The funding issue is under review and is done so periodically and I think it has to he cleared by the Minister before being allowed but not 100% sure so welcome clarity on that.. Your point about bias is only your opinion, granted others will say the same (its a common trotted out claim after all).. They've made some howlers which were simply not up to any standards of journalism, the Trump one was unforgivable in my opinion and more should have resigned.. To say that an organisation of its size which has many platforms and covers so many areas is 'blatantly biased' given its history and breadth of subjects which are in some cases changing as they are reported upon isn't justified based upon a narrow perspective.. | |||
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"The popular revolution does seem to be making progress and increasing in support. The BBC's lack of coverage is now embarrassing and a total failure of impartial journalism. Agreed, this could be a pivotal moment in world affairs, and reporting is buried away and a low key affair.
I think most on here will know that I'm not a big BBC lover.
However, to be fair Trump has given them an awful lot more to talk about right now.
This..
Iran isn't exactly known for its free unfettered access to western journalists either..
Quite interesting seeing those who usually lable the beeb as fake news suddenly become so keen on their work..
Ps. Its on their website front page..
Not one story about Iran on my website front page.🤷
BTW there are numerous high profile people on X like historian Simon Schama, John Cleese, Omid Dhalili, etc making exactly same point so the idea this is just attacking the Beeb is not really credible.
Thanks for the correction, it was on there late last night..
Because others have raised it doesn't mean input on here in this thread (and as is regularly the case whenever the Beeb is in the news itself) isn't attacking them..
It's constant from some, they have and will make mistakes given the size of the organisation and what they do only a fool would think they won't..
Context is ignored by those people with an agenda to replace them with the very right wing media we see in other countries..
I don’t have an issue with left wing media or right wing media. We can choose to digest whatever flavour suits our palette. What I have an issue with is the “national broadcaster” that has a mandate in its charter to not be biased, be blatantly biased. For that organisation to enjoy protection of the law to guarantee its funding. And for it to enjoy the privilege of self policing.
I’d love to hear from someone who actually thinks those 3 things are good.
No organisation should be self policing but it has to be all who organisations, be that a political party, charities, public sector plus the multitude of others so on that point i agree..
The funding issue is under review and is done so periodically and I think it has to he cleared by the Minister before being allowed but not 100% sure so welcome clarity on that..
Your point about bias is only your opinion, granted others will say the same (its a common trotted out claim after all)..
They've made some howlers which were simply not up to any standards of journalism, the Trump one was unforgivable in my opinion and more should have resigned..
To say that an organisation of its size which has many platforms and covers so many areas is 'blatantly biased' given its history and breadth of subjects which are in some cases changing as they are reported upon isn't justified based upon a narrow perspective.."Under review is meaningless. Their position is unchanged and protected by law. If everyone right of centre in politics thinks they are biased and the left think they are not. That tells you everything you need to know. Right wing people might say GB News isn’t biased because from their point of view they are saying what they believe is true. So if the far left think the BBC is putting out an unbiased position, it has to be biased. | |||
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"On X (Twitter) the BBC Breaking News account hasn't posted about Iran since July !!!" And that was probably celebrating the bombing of Isreal | |||
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"On X (Twitter) the BBC Breaking News account hasn't posted about Iran since July !!! And that was probably celebrating the bombing of Isreal " You must be wearing blue and white tinted glasses. | |||
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"On X (Twitter) the BBC Breaking News account hasn't posted about Iran since July !!! And that was probably celebrating the bombing of Isreal You must be wearing blue and white tinted glasses." You must be antisemitic. Shall we make some more assumptions or leave the s ore at 1-1? | |||
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"The popular revolution does seem to be making progress and increasing in support. The BBC's lack of coverage is now embarrassing and a total failure of impartial journalism. Agreed, this could be a pivotal moment in world affairs, and reporting is buried away and a low key affair.
I think most on here will know that I'm not a big BBC lover.
However, to be fair Trump has given them an awful lot more to talk about right now.
This..
Iran isn't exactly known for its free unfettered access to western journalists either..
Quite interesting seeing those who usually lable the beeb as fake news suddenly become so keen on their work..
Ps. Its on their website front page..
Not one story about Iran on my website front page.🤷
BTW there are numerous high profile people on X like historian Simon Schama, John Cleese, Omid Dhalili, etc making exactly same point so the idea this is just attacking the Beeb is not really credible.
Thanks for the correction, it was on there late last night..
Because others have raised it doesn't mean input on here in this thread (and as is regularly the case whenever the Beeb is in the news itself) isn't attacking them..
It's constant from some, they have and will make mistakes given the size of the organisation and what they do only a fool would think they won't..
Context is ignored by those people with an agenda to replace them with the very right wing media we see in other countries..
I don’t have an issue with left wing media or right wing media. We can choose to digest whatever flavour suits our palette. What I have an issue with is the “national broadcaster” that has a mandate in its charter to not be biased, be blatantly biased. For that organisation to enjoy protection of the law to guarantee its funding. And for it to enjoy the privilege of self policing.
I’d love to hear from someone who actually thinks those 3 things are good.
No organisation should be self policing but it has to be all who organisations, be that a political party, charities, public sector plus the multitude of others so on that point i agree..
The funding issue is under review and is done so periodically and I think it has to he cleared by the Minister before being allowed but not 100% sure so welcome clarity on that..
Your point about bias is only your opinion, granted others will say the same (its a common trotted out claim after all)..
They've made some howlers which were simply not up to any standards of journalism, the Trump one was unforgivable in my opinion and more should have resigned..
To say that an organisation of its size which has many platforms and covers so many areas is 'blatantly biased' given its history and breadth of subjects which are in some cases changing as they are reported upon isn't justified based upon a narrow perspective..
Under review is meaningless. Their position is unchanged and protected by law.
If everyone right of centre in politics thinks they are biased and the left think they are not. That tells you everything you need to know. Right wing people might say GB News isn’t biased because from their point of view they are saying what they believe is true. So if the far left think the BBC is putting out an unbiased position, it has to be biased. "The logic is beyond satire so I'll leave you in your bubble fella.. | |||
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"Govt buildings on Fire in Tehran. Seems likely senior officials have fled/are fleeing." 3rd item on the Beeb main news
Bit of a tipping point maybe where how the regime responds could well see a rapid downfall or a bloodbath and American involvement as threatened.. | |||
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"Govt buildings on Fire in Tehran. Seems likely senior officials have fled/are fleeing. 3rd item on the Beeb main news
Bit of a tipping point maybe where how the regime responds could well see a rapid downfall or a bloodbath and American involvement as threatened.."Haha, I saw ! 🙏🙏🙏 for a relatively peaceful transition. | |||
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"Interestingly, Iran has been clearing airspace and moving ordnance to border regions. Some people suspect preparation for external, not domestic, confrontation. Potentially even a preemptive strike. Posturing, preparing or something else?" Russia has apparently been putting on extra flights from Israel to remove diplomatic staff and their families. It may be about to kick off. | |||
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"Interestingly, Iran has been clearing airspace and moving ordnance to border regions. Some people suspect preparation for external, not domestic, confrontation. Potentially even a preemptive strike. Posturing, preparing or something else? Russia has apparently been putting on extra flights from Israel to remove diplomatic staff and their families. It may be about to kick off." Yes. I've been watching this (what's available anyway) for a few days and it does seem to be escalating. It will interesting to see how far the mad Mullahs will go if they are backed into a corner. | |||
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"Interestingly, Iran has been clearing airspace and moving ordnance to border regions. Some people suspect preparation for external, not domestic, confrontation. Potentially even a preemptive strike. Posturing, preparing or something else? Russia has apparently been putting on extra flights from Israel to remove diplomatic staff and their families. It may be about to kick off. Yes. I've been watching this (what's available anyway) for a few days and it does seem to be escalating. It will interesting to see how far the mad Mullahs will go if they are backed into a corner." They've no doubt got their flights sorted to a safe haven where they can enjoy the money in the Swiss bank accounts.. I think before it gets to the 'start the engines' it will get very bloody.. So many at the higher echelons have much to lose and questions to answer.. | |||
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"Interestingly, Iran has been clearing airspace and moving ordnance to border regions. Some people suspect preparation for external, not domestic, confrontation. Potentially even a preemptive strike. Posturing, preparing or something else? Russia has apparently been putting on extra flights from Israel to remove diplomatic staff and their families. It may be about to kick off. Yes. I've been watching this (what's available anyway) for a few days and it does seem to be escalating. It will interesting to see how far the mad Mullahs will go if they are backed into a corner. They've no doubt got their flights sorted to a safe haven where they can enjoy the money in the Swiss bank accounts.. I think before it gets to the 'start the engines' it will get very bloody.. So many at the higher echelons have much to lose and questions to answer.." I have been wondering where they would go. Who would want a bunch of fundamentalist Shia clerics? | |||
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"Interestingly, Iran has been clearing airspace and moving ordnance to border regions. Some people suspect preparation for external, not domestic, confrontation. Potentially even a preemptive strike. Posturing, preparing or something else? Russia has apparently been putting on extra flights from Israel to remove diplomatic staff and their families. It may be about to kick off. Yes. I've been watching this (what's available anyway) for a few days and it does seem to be escalating. It will interesting to see how far the mad Mullahs will go if they are backed into a corner. They've no doubt got their flights sorted to a safe haven where they can enjoy the money in the Swiss bank accounts.. I think before it gets to the 'start the engines' it will get very bloody.. So many at the higher echelons have much to lose and questions to answer.. I have been wondering where they would go. Who would want a bunch of fundamentalist Shia clerics?" Putin likes rich despotic butchers who hate the West.. | |||
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"Interestingly, Iran has been clearing airspace and moving ordnance to border regions. Some people suspect preparation for external, not domestic, confrontation. Potentially even a preemptive strike. Posturing, preparing or something else? Russia has apparently been putting on extra flights from Israel to remove diplomatic staff and their families. It may be about to kick off. Yes. I've been watching this (what's available anyway) for a few days and it does seem to be escalating. It will interesting to see how far the mad Mullahs will go if they are backed into a corner. They've no doubt got their flights sorted to a safe haven where they can enjoy the money in the Swiss bank accounts.. I think before it gets to the 'start the engines' it will get very bloody.. So many at the higher echelons have much to lose and questions to answer.. I have been wondering where they would go. Who would want a bunch of fundamentalist Shia clerics? Putin likes rich despotic butchers who hate the West.." I am not sure. The mullahs come with a _LOT_ of baggage. Russia has historically thought of itself as an Islamic bulwark. It has issues with Chechnya who are mainly Sunni. I don’t see how a bunch of senior Shia clerics would be particularly welcome. The Chinese are the other “obvious” location but they have issues with the Uyghurs who are Sunni. Hosting the failed regime leaders (if it came to that) would not play well with the new regime and those would be the people with the oil. Would China want to lose access to that for a few religious types? | |||
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"BBC website finally leads with Iran and headline is: 'Iran leader says anti-government protesters are vandals trying to please Trump' Took them two weeks but they've finally managed to make the popular uprising an anti Trump story.👏👏💩💩" Of course they couldn't commend Musk for providing free Starlink access to Iranians following the Internet cut off. | |||
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"Flag of the Islamic Republic taken down at London Embassy.👏👏👏 " Don't they do that at dusk every day? | |||
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"Flag of the Islamic Republic taken down at London Embassy.👏👏👏 Don't they do that at dusk every day?" This was a protester who replaced it with the pre 1979 flag. Large anti regime protests today in London and Manchester. | |||
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"Flag of the Islamic Republic taken down at London Embassy.👏👏👏 Don't they do that at dusk every day? This was a protester who replaced it with the pre 1979 flag. Large anti regime protests today in London and Manchester."
The end is nigh for the regime. The Iranian people have gridlocked the cities with their cars, set fire to mosques and are openly waving Israeli flags. The videos are increasingly being uploaded to anti regime Telegram channels from inside Iran. | |||
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"Flag of the Islamic Republic taken down at London Embassy.👏👏👏 Don't they do that at dusk every day? This was a protester who replaced it with the pre 1979 flag. Large anti regime protests today in London and Manchester.
The end is nigh for the regime. The Iranian people have gridlocked the cities with their cars, set fire to mosques and are openly waving Israeli flags. The videos are increasingly being uploaded to anti regime Telegram channels from inside Iran. "Let's just hope they don't swap one bad regime for another (Israel/Trump) | |||
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" Let's just hope they don't swap one bad regime for another (Israel/Trump)" Let's say, for the sake of argument, that Israel and the US come to the aid of Iranians. Without hyperbole, what is the downside, in real terms? | |||
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"Reports of a B52 over skies in Iraq and suicide drones going for military targets, launched from inside Iran. The next 48 hours might just determine the future of Iran, and succor might just be enroute." B52’s are used exclusively by the US. Who is reporting this? | |||
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"Reports of a B52 over skies in Iraq and suicide drones going for military targets, launched from inside Iran. The next 48 hours might just determine the future of Iran, and succor might just be enroute. B52’s are used exclusively by the US. Who is reporting this?" No-one, because it isn't true. The Americans and Jordanians attacked ISIS in Syria a few hours ago. They used a mix of ground attack fighter jets, A10s and helicopters. | |||
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"Reports of a B52 over skies in Iraq and suicide drones going for military targets, launched from inside Iran. The next 48 hours might just determine the future of Iran, and succor might just be enroute. B52’s are used exclusively by the US. Who is reporting this? No-one, because it isn't true. The Americans and Jordanians attacked ISIS in Syria a few hours ago. They used a mix of ground attack fighter jets, A10s and helicopters. " You are probably right, because we'd have heard about a mission by now if it had been correct. | |||
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"Trump wants to defend Iranian's right to demonstrate but stop Americans from doing the same." How’s that? | |||
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"Trump wants to defend Iranian's right to demonstrate but stop Americans from doing the same." Where have Americans been stopped from demonstrating ? | |||
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"Trump wants to defend Iranian's right to demonstrate but stop Americans from doing the same. Where have Americans been stopped from demonstrating ?" You might need to loosen your definition of "demonstrating". | |||
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"Trump wants to defend Iranian's right to demonstrate but stop Americans from doing the same. Where have Americans been stopped from demonstrating ?" A US judge has just had to raise a restraining order against LAPD for firing rubber bullets at journalists. | |||
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"Trump wants to defend Iranian's right to demonstrate but stop Americans from doing the same. Where have Americans been stopped from demonstrating ? A US judge has just had to raise a restraining order against LAPD for firing rubber bullets at journalists. " Were they Israeli bullets ? | |||
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"Trump wants to defend Iranian's right to demonstrate but stop Americans from doing the same. How’s that?" His ICE certainly like to shoot unarmed protesters dead do they not? | |||
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"Trump wants to defend Iranian's right to demonstrate but stop Americans from doing the same. How’s that? His ICE certainly like to shoot unarmed protesters dead do they not? " A car used as an offensive weapon will certainly be considered as such in most western countries. | |||
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"Trump wants to defend Iranian's right to demonstrate but stop Americans from doing the same. How’s that? His ICE certainly like to shoot unarmed protesters dead do they not? A car used as an offensive weapon will certainly be considered as such in most western countries." Yes, crawling at 2 mph whilst also turning away from the person certainly is a threat to life.
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"Trump wants to defend Iranian's right to demonstrate but stop Americans from doing the same. How’s that? His ICE certainly like to shoot unarmed protesters dead do they not? A car used as an offensive weapon will certainly be considered as such in most western countries." Have you watched all of the released videos? It sounds like you haven’t. He’s clearly not in danger and has lost his temper. | |||
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"Trump wants to defend Iranian's right to demonstrate but stop Americans from doing the same. How’s that? His ICE certainly like to shoot unarmed protesters dead do they not? A car used as an offensive weapon will certainly be considered as such in most western countries. Have you watched all of the released videos? It sounds like you haven’t. He’s clearly not in danger and has lost his temper. " Yes I have including the domestic CCTVs and she clearly drove at him with intent. There's an old saying in the US, if you're going to give someone the middle finger, just be aware that they may well have a gun. | |||
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"Why was there a pro-Iranian regime rally outside London's Islamic centre, If they're for the present regime wtf are they doing over here " Probably usual pro Hamas rabble | |||
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"A US judge has just had to raise a restraining order against LAPD for firing rubber bullets at journalists. " Great. So the US Government is protecting journalists. Now, how do you suppose a comparable situation over in Iran would shake out? Hmm? "His ICE certainly like to shoot unarmed protesters dead do they not?" Err... not. Obviously. Again: how is it that Trump is defending Iranian's right to protest whilst trying to stop the same for Americans? | |||
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"Why was there a pro-Iranian regime rally outside London's Islamic centre, If they're for the present regime wtf are they doing over here " Ask the people who have supported the Iranian regime: Jeremy Corbyn & George Galloway. The UK has plenty of regime friendly figures. Thankfully, many more against it. | |||
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"Why was there a pro-Iranian regime rally outside London's Islamic centre, If they're for the present regime wtf are they doing over here Ask the people who have supported the Iranian regime: Jeremy Corbyn & George Galloway. The UK has plenty of regime friendly figures. Thankfully, many more against it." Corbyn has spoken out and written a letter to the Iranian Chief of Justice calling the executions “deplorable”. He called for them to end torture, release prisoners and establish a rule that people are innocent until proven guilty. While you and I just chatted about how nasty it is on a forum. | |||
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" Corbyn has spoken out and written a letter to the Iranian Chief of Justice calling the executions “deplorable”. He called for them to end torture, release prisoners and establish a rule that people are innocent until proven guilty. While you and I just chatted about how nasty it is on a forum." All the parties will have achieved the same practical outcome (or lack thereof), but only one was on Iran's payroll. And he knew what they were doing at the time, so any correspondence from him now is simply performative and political. | |||
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"Germany is removing all of their diplomats from Tel Aviv. The US is removing non essential staff. The Near East is about to explode." Wasn't that in 2024 or is there a current removal? | |||
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"Germany is removing all of their diplomats from Tel Aviv. The US is removing non essential staff. The Near East is about to explode." Unlikely, unless the Mad Mullahs want to be completely wiped out by US and Israel. | |||
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"It's a bit hypocritical for Trump to condem violence against protesters and threatening war whilst in his own country protesters are being shot and killed?" It's a bit intellectually dishonest and bad faith to even PRETEND like there's anything even approximating equivalency between what's happening with ICE and anti-ICE activists in the USA to what's happening (and has been happening for decades) to the Iranian people by it's facist dictatorship regime. So, you're either ignorant of mind or malicious of spirit. Which one is it? | |||
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"It's a bit hypocritical for Trump to condem violence against protesters and threatening war whilst in his own country protesters are being shot and killed? It's a bit intellectually dishonest and bad faith to even PRETEND like there's anything even approximating equivalency between what's happening with ICE and anti-ICE activists in the USA to what's happening (and has been happening for decades) to the Iranian people by it's facist dictatorship regime. So, you're either ignorant of mind or malicious of spirit. Which one is it?" There's no reason to be so rude, you could have simply replied without the insults. I think it absolutely goes without saying and frankly anyone with a actual brain would have realised they don't compare, but a life taken is a life taken one or a thousand that's still unnecessary so claiming the ice deaths don't matter is just as callous. You're trying to start an argument rather than having a discussion. | |||
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"Germany is removing all of their diplomats from Tel Aviv. The US is removing non essential staff. The Near East is about to explode. Unlikely, unless the Mad Mullahs want to be completely wiped out by US and Israel." I sometimes wonder. But after all sorts of wild threats they went very quiet after Israel and the US bombed them last time. What can they actually do? Hamas and Hezbollah have been pretty much neutered so very little in that part of the world. OK they can lob a few missiles at Israel but very few would get past the Iron Dome. Then what? They have no navy or air force to speak of. A few terror attacks maybe but even they are becoming more difficult to pull off. They will jump up and down, make all sorts of blood curdling threats and pretty much do bugger all. | |||
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"It's a bit hypocritical for Trump to condem violence against protesters and threatening war whilst in his own country protesters are being shot and killed? It's a bit intellectually dishonest and bad faith to even PRETEND like there's anything even approximating equivalency between what's happening with ICE and anti-ICE activists in the USA to what's happening (and has been happening for decades) to the Iranian people by it's facist dictatorship regime. So, you're either ignorant of mind or malicious of spirit. Which one is it? There's no reason to be so rude, you could have simply replied without the insults. I think it absolutely goes without saying and frankly anyone with a actual brain would have realised they don't compare, but a life taken is a life taken one or a thousand that's still unnecessary so claiming the ice deaths don't matter is just as callous. You're trying to start an argument rather than having a discussion. " The core argument would be with your suggestion that Iran and the USA are one of the same when it comes to dealing with protestors. If that is what you honestly believe, I would struggle to follow your logic. | |||
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"It's a bit hypocritical for Trump to condem violence against protesters and threatening war whilst in his own country protesters are being shot and killed? It's a bit intellectually dishonest and bad faith to even PRETEND like there's anything even approximating equivalency between what's happening with ICE and anti-ICE activists in the USA to what's happening (and has been happening for decades) to the Iranian people by it's facist dictatorship regime. So, you're either ignorant of mind or malicious of spirit. Which one is it? There's no reason to be so rude, you could have simply replied without the insults. I think it absolutely goes without saying and frankly anyone with a actual brain would have realised they don't compare, but a life taken is a life taken one or a thousand that's still unnecessary so claiming the ice deaths don't matter is just as callous. You're trying to start an argument rather than having a discussion. The core argument would be with your suggestion that Iran and the USA are one of the same when it comes to dealing with protestors. If that is what you honestly believe, I would struggle to follow your logic." When did I say that?? When have I ever been that stupid?? Honestly my point is that: Trump is the president of the USA and for many the most powerful person on the planet, but with great power comes great responsibility to criticise another country for violence against protesters while you're own country is doing the same YES on a smaller scale but it's still a double standard that he really shouldn't have. But if he can stop Iran without bloodshed then ok fair enough. | |||
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"It's a bit hypocritical for Trump to condem violence against protesters and threatening war whilst in his own country protesters are being shot and killed? It's a bit intellectually dishonest and bad faith to even PRETEND like there's anything even approximating equivalency between what's happening with ICE and anti-ICE activists in the USA to what's happening (and has been happening for decades) to the Iranian people by it's facist dictatorship regime. So, you're either ignorant of mind or malicious of spirit. Which one is it? There's no reason to be so rude, you could have simply replied without the insults. I think it absolutely goes without saying and frankly anyone with a actual brain would have realised they don't compare, but a life taken is a life taken one or a thousand that's still unnecessary so claiming the ice deaths don't matter is just as callous. You're trying to start an argument rather than having a discussion. The core argument would be with your suggestion that Iran and the USA are one of the same when it comes to dealing with protestors. If that is what you honestly believe, I would struggle to follow your logic. When did I say that?? When have I ever been that stupid?? Honestly my point is that: Trump is the president of the USA and for many the most powerful person on the planet, but with great power comes great responsibility to criticise another country for violence against protesters while you're own country is doing the same YES on a smaller scale but it's still a double standard that he really shouldn't have. But if he can stop Iran without bloodshed then ok fair enough. " Trump hasn't ordered his troops to shoot to kill, to arrest and execute in kangaroo courts. The protestors in the US don't agree with ICE and immigration policy or investigations into State level fraud. Iranian's are protesting because they can't afford to turn lights on, eat, buy clothes and other basics, country wide. They are suffering due to their governments involvement in terror, nuclear enrichment and the awful way they treat their citizens through authoritarian religious excuses. I can see why Trump would criticise. | |||
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"I think it absolutely goes without saying and frankly anyone with a actual brain would have realised they don't compare," I see, so it's merely fained ignorance on your part, then. For what purpose, exactly? Scoring online virtue points? TDS? "but a life taken is a life taken one or a thousand that's still unnecessary so claiming the ice deaths don't matter is just as callous." I didn't claim anything of the sort, though. "to criticise another country for violence against protesters while you're own country is doing the same YES on a smaller scale but it's still a double standard that he really shouldn't have." And here you go again. They're NOT the same situations, though. In any way, shape or form, by any measure. There is no equivalency to be made, certainly not morally (the angle you seem to be most concerned with). Repeatedly painting them as comparable just to dump on Trump, again, means you are either a) dumb, b) malicious... or both. So which is it? | |||
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"Sounds like there are over 500 dead in Iran, Trump pretty much promised that they would go in if the Iranian government did this. His comments were totally reckless, he surely knew that Iranian people would riot even more if they thought the US government would come to their direct aid, but it seems he's not going in & instead going down the tariff route yet again What a pathetic piece of shit he is."Iranian "Supreme Leader" does, yet another, bad thing to his own people, just another drop in the bucket of decades of brutal oppression... "Fucking Trump, his fault again!" | |||
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"Sounds like there are over 500 dead in Iran, Trump pretty much promised that they would go in if the Iranian government did this. His comments were totally reckless, he surely knew that Iranian people would riot even more if they thought the US government would come to their direct aid, but it seems he's not going in & instead going down the tariff route yet again What a pathetic piece of shit he is.
Iranian "Supreme Leader" does, yet another, bad thing to his own people, just another drop in the bucket of decades of brutal oppression...
"Fucking Trump, his fault again!"
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"Stop deflecting. Why say things that give people false hope that you don’t really mean?" Not a deflection. Just pointing out TDS on full display as usual. Seeing as non of us can see the future we don't know yet what the USA will or won't do going forwards with Iran. It's an on-going, in-progess situation. You know this full well. We can talk about our hopes, obviously. Like, we can all hope that the Iranian people will finally break free of their oppressive regime, and ask why NATO and the UN aren't doing more to help, and hope that they do step in and assist, etc. | |||
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"Sounds like there are over 500 dead in Iran, Trump pretty much promised that they would go in if the Iranian government did this. His comments were totally reckless, he surely knew that Iranian people would riot even more if they thought the US government would come to their direct aid, but it seems he's not going in & instead going down the tariff route yet again What a pathetic piece of shit he is.
Iranian "Supreme Leader" does, yet another, bad thing to his own people, just another drop in the bucket of decades of brutal oppression...
"Fucking Trump, his fault again!"
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"Stop deflecting. Why say things that give people false hope that you don’t really mean? Not a deflection. Just pointing out TDS on full display as usual. Seeing as non of us can see the future we don't know yet what the USA will or won't do going forwards with Iran. It's an on-going, in-progess situation. You know this full well. We can talk about our hopes, obviously. Like, we can all hope that the Iranian people will finally break free of their oppressive regime, and ask why NATO and the UN aren't doing more to help, and hope that they do step in and assist, etc." No I’m sorry, that apologist bluster doesn’t cut it. “You’d better not start shooting, because we’ll start shooting too” If it’s an ongoing situation somebody with the gravitas of the POTUS should probably be a bit more careful with the choosing of his words. But he isn’t, because he’s an idiot. | |||
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"If it’s an ongoing situation somebody with the gravitas of the POTUS should probably be a bit more careful with the choosing of his words. But he isn’t, because he’s an idiot." And I'M sorry, but only a complete fucking idiot would believe, for even a second, that the latest instance of Khamenei and his "security forces" turning their guns on the protesting civillians is a result/the fault of Trump's words. Don't talk to me about bluster, when it's you and others like you who sperg out with TDS at every and any opportunity, full of bluster and postering to screech "oRaNgE mAn BaD!!1!"... which I'm suuuure, compared to anything Trump does or doesn't do, is MUCH more productive and helpful to the people of Iran. Give me a fucking break. | |||
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"If it’s an ongoing situation somebody with the gravitas of the POTUS should probably be a bit more careful with the choosing of his words. But he isn’t, because he’s an idiot. And I'M sorry, but only a complete fucking idiot would believe, for even a second, that the latest instance of Khamenei and his "security forces" turning their guns on the protesting civillians is a result/the fault of Trump's words. Don't talk to me about bluster, when it's you and others like you who sperg out with TDS at every and any opportunity, full of bluster and postering to screech "oRaNgE mAn BaD!!1!"... which I'm suuuure, compared to anything Trump does or doesn't do, is MUCH more productive and helpful to the people of Iran. Give me a fucking break." I think you need to calm down a bit & remove your head from Trump’s arse. I don’t believe I have made any such claim surrounding Trump being the cause of Iranian civil unrest. But he has arguably fuelled it further by threatening direct intervention on behalf of those protesting against the Iranian regime…. | |||
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"But he has arguably fuelled it further by threatening direct intervention on behalf of those protesting against the Iranian regime" To which all you can do is sperg out and hurl insults at him. Almost as if you don't realise what a good thing it will be if the Iranian people turn this widespread civil unrest into full-on revolution and topple the regime. If Trump's words/threats have any hand in making that happen? Good. I hope they fight and they win, and if it looks like they can't or won't win, I hope and prey that the USA, UK, NATO, UN, Isreal etc all step in to help them do it. But longterm it will be better if THEY do it themselves. Are you going to pretend that if Trump had just sent Delta Force into Iran instead of doing taffifs and public statements, you also wouldn't be have a TDS seizure over it as well? Hmm? Be honest with yourself because we both know full well what the online response would have been (we've literally just watched it happen at New Year). | |||
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"But he has arguably fuelled it further by threatening direct intervention on behalf of those protesting against the Iranian regime To which all you can do is sperg out and hurl insults at him. Almost as if you don't realise what a good thing it will be if the Iranian people turn this widespread civil unrest into full-on revolution and topple the regime. If Trump's words/threats have any hand in making that happen? Good. I hope they fight and they win, and if it looks like they can't or won't win, I hope and prey that the USA, UK, NATO, UN, Isreal etc all step in to help them do it. But longterm it will be better if THEY do it themselves. Are you going to pretend that if Trump had just sent Delta Force into Iran instead of doing taffifs and public statements, you also wouldn't be have a TDS seizure over it as well? Hmm? Be honest with yourself because we both know full well what the online response would have been (we've literally just watched it happen at New Year)." If the Iranians want a revolution, I’m sure they are capable. They have done it before right? Trump has put himself in a tricky situation though by shouting his big mouth off. If he doesn’t intervene, when he has already threatened to do so, especially in any deteriorating situation, people will call him out as full of BS. The fact that he has opted for tariffs at this point suggests military action isn’t imminent despite what he himself has more than hinted. If he does intervene at some point, this could be potentially good, but the negatives against this are the US doesn’t have a great recent track record of dealing very successfully with the aftermath of their military escapades do they? | |||
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"If the Iranians want a revolution, I’m sure they are capable. They have done it before right?" Then what a president on the other side of the world says or doesn't say, or does or doesn't do, is irrelevant. Good to know. You can un-twist your knickers over it, in that case. No? "If he doesn’t intervene, when he has already threatened to do so, especially in any deteriorating situation, people will call him out as full of BS. The fact that he has opted for tariffs at this point suggests military action isn’t imminent despite what he himself has more than hinted. If he does intervene at some point, this could be potentially good, but the negatives against this are the US doesn’t have a great recent track record of dealing very successfully with the aftermath of their military escapades do they?" I'm reading a lot of ifs, maybes, could bes... almost as if you've already decided what the outcome will be despite not being able to see into the future, and that it's Trump's fault and it's bad, no matter what it is. Let's not pretend you'd be doing the EXACT same sperging out if Trump had not said anything publicly and went straight to a SF-led snake head strike against the Iranian regime. The difference here is that I don't need a crystal ball to know what the online reaction would be. | |||
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"This Islamic government of Iran have killed 2000 of their own people, supplied weapons to Hamas to kill Jews, and sold drones to Russia to terrorise Ukrainians. They are allegedly harbouring al-Qaeda leaders. 45 years ago thatcher had to send the SAS into the London embassy to clear out Iranian terrorists and rescue hostages." That orange bastard has a lot to answer for, eh? | |||
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"BBC website finally leads with Iran and headline is: 'Iran leader says anti-government protesters are vandals trying to please Trump' Took them two weeks but they've finally managed to make the popular uprising an anti Trump story.👏👏💩💩 Of course they couldn't commend Musk for providing free Starlink access to Iranians following the Internet cut off. " Looks like the regime is trying to use jammers to cut starlink access. Rumours say that these jammers were given to them by Russia and China. People are still able to access starlink in few places but it's very patchy now. | |||
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"Trump is absolutely the greatest conman in US history, and that takes true talent. It’s hilarious how he’s taken the US public for a ride as a pro peace candidate, and is now about to get America into not one, but two simultaneous quagmires in Venezuela and Iran. " So... You do it don't want him to intervene in Iran? | |||
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"Trump is absolutely the greatest conman in US history, and that takes true talent. It’s hilarious how he’s taken the US public for a ride as a pro peace candidate, and is now about to get America into not one, but two simultaneous quagmires in Venezuela and Iran. So... You do it don't want him to intervene in Iran?" Personally, I think intervention by the US is the least helpful thing right now. And virtually all the Iranian opposition besides the monarchists (who’re a vocal and unpopular minority) have that opinion. I want to see Iran free of both the current theoretic regime and whatever strongman puppet Trump and his cronies have in mind to install. It’s just funny to me that MAGA, because they can’t ever admit that they were taken for a ride, have gone from being anti war when it’s a democrat, to now justifying with the flimsiest rationale these US military operations. | |||
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"What’s all the bitching on Trump ? This Islamic government of Iran have killed 2000 of their own people, supplied weapons to Hamas to kill Jews, and sold drones to Russia to terrorise Ukrainians. They are allegedly harbouring al-Qaeda leaders. 45 years ago thatcher had to send the SAS into the London embassy to clear out Iranian terrorists and rescue hostages. " I know that it's a mute point but the hostages were either UK nationals or Iranians working for the Khomeini regime. The terrorists were opponents of the Khomeini regime. | |||
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"What’s all the bitching on Trump ? This Islamic government of Iran have killed 2000 of their own people, supplied weapons to Hamas to kill Jews, and sold drones to Russia to terrorise Ukrainians. They are allegedly harbouring al-Qaeda leaders. 45 years ago thatcher had to send the SAS into the London embassy to clear out Iranian terrorists and rescue hostages. I know that it's a mute point but the hostages were either UK nationals or Iranians working for the Khomeini regime. The terrorists were opponents of the Khomeini regime." Israel committed outright genocide against Gazans, with US and UK help no less, I don’t see any calls for intervention by the SAS to take out Netanyahu. | |||
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"President Trump: Iranian patriots, keep protesting - take over your institutions!!! Keep the names of the murderers and abusers - they will pay a heavy price. I have canceled all meetings with Iranian officials until the senseless killing of protesters stops. Help is on the way. Miga!!! President Donald J. Trump He had better follow through after words like these. If he's simply setting up something daring, like a decapitation and surgical IRGC elimination, then fair enough. If he's all talk, better that he just shuts up. Estimates for casualties are ~10k, but it could be much more (or less). Reports are that Saudi and Qatar are pushing the USA not to take action, but that could simply be a public position to avoid backfire. The Kurds are claiming to have taken over the IRGC HQ in Kermanshah. Information is just starting to trickle out - a colleague just spoke with her family there for the first time in five days. It's heartbreaking. Especially if the regime is allowed to remain." 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏 | |||
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"President Trump: Iranian patriots, keep protesting - take over your institutions!!! Keep the names of the murderers and abusers - they will pay a heavy price. I have canceled all meetings with Iranian officials until the senseless killing of protesters stops. Help is on the way. Miga!!! President Donald J. Trump He had better follow through after words like these. If he's simply setting up something daring, like a decapitation and surgical IRGC elimination, then fair enough. If he's all talk, better that he just shuts up. Estimates for casualties are ~10k, but it could be much more (or less). Reports are that Saudi and Qatar are pushing the USA not to take action, but that could simply be a public position to avoid backfire. The Kurds are claiming to have taken over the IRGC HQ in Kermanshah. Information is just starting to trickle out - a colleague just spoke with her family there for the first time in five days. It's heartbreaking. Especially if the regime is allowed to remain." I fear the US if and that is a big if, are going to intervene in someway, are too late. Executions today will deliver the regime message of terror to the people of Iran. Or maybe I have this wrong and people will find strength. | |||
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"U.S. Missile strikes on Tehran? That's not going to help the people being slaughtered by the police, IRGC or whoever. People bang on about actual war, but given there's no obvious way to get actual (presumably US and Israeli) troops onto Iranian ground, especially anywhere near Tehran, I struggle to see how that works. If some Iranian military figure decides to stake a claim for being a national hero and puts his troops against the IRGC, then all bets are off - but that’s a stretch of the imagination at this point in time. If the iranians want a revolution then they are going to have to do the heavy lifting themselves it seems to me, and no doubt pay the high price. The only peace from US/Israel comes from a puppet regime. A puppet regime will have big opposition within Iran. They’ve been there before with the Shah. The Shah may have been preferable to Khomeini, but he was still a bit of a cunt himself." A bit like Iraq, those two countries will never be right or fixed. Ironically the starting point of human civilisation with the Summerians, it could be the end of it. It's now a homing ground for terrorism and renamed factions. Best stay clear of it. | |||
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"President Trump: Iranian patriots, keep protesting - take over your institutions!!! Keep the names of the murderers and abusers - they will pay a heavy price. I have canceled all meetings with Iranian officials until the senseless killing of protesters stops. Help is on the way. Miga!!! President Donald J. Trump He had better follow through after words like these. If he's simply setting up something daring, like a decapitation and surgical IRGC elimination, then fair enough. If he's all talk, better that he just shuts up. Estimates for casualties are ~10k, but it could be much more (or less). Reports are that Saudi and Qatar are pushing the USA not to take action, but that could simply be a public position to avoid backfire. The Kurds are claiming to have taken over the IRGC HQ in Kermanshah. Information is just starting to trickle out - a colleague just spoke with her family there for the first time in five days. It's heartbreaking. Especially if the regime is allowed to remain." If he does nothing after saying his latest then history will reflect badly upon him if his words are hollow.. I think the regime is however at a possible tipping point, more so than at any time before.. No doubts that if its remains the price for many will be high as they will go after as many as they can who have protested and attacked state buildings etc.. It will be prolonged and similar to the killing fields, thise gulf states who dont want the regional conflict need to get off the fence.. | |||
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