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"Don't think the rest of the world would care right now. It's Europe's problem and they have to tell Trump to do one. The question is, do they have the power to do so?"
He's so unpredictable and frankly unhinged I wouldn't want to be the one pushing back,he's a bully. |
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He's not too popular in South America apart from Argentina who has bought off. Many African nations are increasing their dependence on China rather than the US as are those in Asia. More and more countries are putting out feelers to join BRICS. The US is definitely alienating more countries every month. The danger is that someone as unstable as Trump will see this shift in alliances as a threat to him (not the country) and push him even further over the edge. Russia and China must be laughing their cocks off right now. |
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"Given Trumps latest threat to place more tariffs on Europe for supporting Greenland is it now time for the rest of the world to tell him to do one."
He isn't noted for his ability to take helpful advice! |
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"He's not too popular in South America apart from Argentina who has bought off. Many African nations are increasing their dependence on China rather than the US as are those in Asia. More and more countries are putting out feelers to join BRICS. The US is definitely alienating more countries every month. The danger is that someone as unstable as Trump will see this shift in alliances as a threat to him (not the country) and push him even further over the edge. Russia and China must be laughing their cocks off right now."
Geopolitics is not that simple.
Most countries in the world try as much as possible to stay away from conflicts unless they have clear interests in it. |
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When does it become too late to stand up to blatant bullying. Countries do look after their own self interest but eventually the threat being posed by Trump will hit home. Direct conflict is not needed but reciprocal action would be appropriate especially in areas were the US would be hit hardest - their pockets. |
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"When does it become too late to stand up to blatant bullying. Countries do look after their own self interest but eventually the threat being posed by Trump will hit home. Direct conflict is not needed but reciprocal action would be appropriate especially in areas were the US would be hit hardest - their pockets."
The same could be said about Putin. How many countries outside Europe stood up against him?
This is Europe's problem and the European countries have to fight back. Considering how the European countries have underfunded their defense, I am not sure how far they can fight back though. |
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By *abioMan 16 weeks ago
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"Donald Trump says eight European countries face 10% tariff.
Denmark, Norway, Sweden, the UK, France, Germany, the Netherlands and Finland will face this tariff from 1 February. "
Cool… hope the UK and EU reciprocate
Actually… what those countries should do is target sanctions against specific people who have come out in support of the idea
Donald Trump and any member of his family
JD Vance and family
Stephen miller and family
Elon musk and family
Hit those people where it hurts… |
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By *abioMan 16 weeks ago
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"The US is an economic and military superpower. Europe makes good cheese."
Europe holds about 30% of all US bonds… selling some of those would send a message
In arctic conditions… I might take Nordic troops over US ones, let’s call it a home game for Swedish and Finnish and Norwegian troops |
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"The US is an economic and military superpower. Europe makes good cheese.
Europe holds about 30% of all US bonds… selling some of those would send a message
In arctic conditions… I might take Nordic troops over US ones, let’s call it a home game for Swedish and Finnish and Norwegian troops "
Perhaps Abba could reunite and drive a snow plough ? |
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Besides making very good cheese the Europeans should not be so frivolously dismissed. The entire US B-52 fleet is currently being re-fitted with Rolls-Royce engines. Even a military superpower like the US has dependencies outside their immediate control. Mr Trump may like the idea of an inward looking totally self sufficient USA but achieving this would take decades and against a perhaps increasingly unsympathetic world would be nye on impossible. A bit of realism needs to be introduced in the White House but unfortunately he has populated it with toadies and yes men. |
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"The US is an economic and military superpower. Europe makes good cheese.
Europe holds about 30% of all US bonds… selling some of those would send a message
In arctic conditions… I might take Nordic troops over US ones, let’s call it a home game for Swedish and Finnish and Norwegian troops "
If they sell off all the bonds, the value of those bonds will go down and Europe will lose a lot of money in the process.
As for the conditions, the battles these days are won through tech. |
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By *otMe66Man 16 weeks ago
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The issue Trump is going to face is the inevitable u-turn he will need to make. He is fighting with what the believes are for want of a better descriptor nuclear tariffs.
The reality is simple, over price the US market and it disappears. There will be obvious consequences for businesses that rely on the US markets, but the constant turmoil will drive diversification and a move away from the US market.
This threat in my opinion, is his something that he will regret..
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"The issue Trump is going to face is the inevitable u-turn he will need to make. He is fighting with what the believes are for want of a better descriptor nuclear tariffs.
The reality is simple, over price the US market and it disappears. There will be obvious consequences for businesses that rely on the US markets, but the constant turmoil will drive diversification and a move away from the US market.
This threat in my opinion, is his something that he will regret..
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his posturing may well make alternatives less expensive and consequently more preferable. |
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"The issue Trump is going to face is the inevitable u-turn he will need to make. He is fighting with what the believes are for want of a better descriptor nuclear tariffs.
The reality is simple, over price the US market and it disappears. There will be obvious consequences for businesses that rely on the US markets, but the constant turmoil will drive diversification and a move away from the US market.
This threat in my opinion, is his something that he will regret..
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Trump's first year so far must have already sent a message to all the countries around the world. Never make yourself dependent on another country when it comes to food, water, energy and defense. Even if it's expensive to produce in your own country, it makes sense to keep these industries running. This would get the globalists and libertarian economists fuming.
In the long term, Trump's tarriff threats would create a lot of negative impact on the US. But I am guessing Trump prefers the short term leverage he is getting out of this as he won't be the president when the long term impact hits the country. |
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By *otMe66Man 15 weeks ago
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"The issue Trump is going to face is the inevitable u-turn he will need to make. He is fighting with what the believes are for want of a better descriptor nuclear tariffs.
The reality is simple, over price the US market and it disappears. There will be obvious consequences for businesses that rely on the US markets, but the constant turmoil will drive diversification and a move away from the US market.
This threat in my opinion, is his something that he will regret..
Trump's first year so far must have already sent a message to all the countries around the world. Never make yourself dependent on another country when it comes to food, water, energy and defense. Even if it's expensive to produce in your own country, it makes sense to keep these industries running. This would get the globalists and libertarian economists fuming.
In the long term, Trump's tarriff threats would create a lot of negative impact on the US. But I am guessing Trump prefers the short term leverage he is getting out of this as he won't be the president when the long term impact hits the country."
I think you are correct about the longterm impact, however I think the short term is also going to come to bite him hard. The "joint exercise" in Greenland was pretty much an unthinkable message 6 months ago, and I must say I was surprised they sent it considering the lack of response towards Russia.
I feel a mood change and being pushed into a corner economically only lasts as long as the ties are in place. The US is a substantial market but not one that is irreplaceable, their military might is formidable but not in Europes favour if their leader doesn't respect us. |
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I don’t think anyone doubts Trump is a bully. He thrives on attention. One of the most powerful ways of dealing with someone like that is to deprive them of that attention.
No one is going to stop the Americans taking Greenland by force. Go for the soft power. Ostracise him.
He is desperate for the World Cup to be a success. Boycott it. Pull the teams out. Same with the Olympics in Los Angeles. If other countries want to send a message then they can join in. Just stop picking up the phones to them for a while. |
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By *otMe66Man 15 weeks ago
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"I don’t think anyone doubts Trump is a bully. He thrives on attention. One of the most powerful ways of dealing with someone like that is to deprive them of that attention.
No one is going to stop the Americans taking Greenland by force. Go for the soft power. Ostracise him.
He is desperate for the World Cup to be a success. Boycott it. Pull the teams out. Same with the Olympics in Los Angeles. If other countries want to send a message then they can join in. Just stop picking up the phones to them for a while."
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I dont think he will be allowed to invade it, there are still adults in the congress etc on the Republican side who one thinks realise what a mistake it would be and move to prevent it..
But yes, boycotting or the threat will hurt his ego as sure as shit he will be there at the bestest ever ever olympic games and soccer cup..
Which couldn't have been held anywhere else but his bestest country.. |
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He is so unpredictable. I’d say he would not invade but he just put elite troops into a foreign country and took their president.
Jury out where this could go and with EU states joined at the hip - what if he doesn’t back down ? |
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By (user no longer on site) 15 weeks ago
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I'm old enough to remember when British territory in the Falklands was invaded and occupied. Not only did UK get very little support from our European 'allies', but several of them actively supported Argentina. A dispute between US and Denmark over a colonial hangover should not concern us now. |
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By *otMe66Man 15 weeks ago
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"He is so unpredictable. I’d say he would not invade but he just put elite troops into a foreign country and took their president.
Jury out where this could go and with EU states joined at the hip - what if he doesn’t back down ?"
A much lower level of political, economic and military reliance becomes reality, between the US and Europe. It might not be a bad thing for Europe, it could actually be the kick start it needs to get the wheels turning again. |
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By *abioMan 15 weeks ago
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"I don’t think anyone doubts Trump is a bully. He thrives on attention. One of the most powerful ways of dealing with someone like that is to deprive them of that attention.
No one is going to stop the Americans taking Greenland by force. Go for the soft power. Ostracise him.
He is desperate for the World Cup to be a success. Boycott it. Pull the teams out. Same with the Olympics in Los Angeles. If other countries want to send a message then they can join in. Just stop picking up the phones to them for a while."
I made the suggestion of all the teams in UEFA boycotting the tournament.. to which I am sure most South American teams would follow (Brazil and Colombia definitely would)
You gut the World Cup.. put FIFA in a bind..
The Olympics might be harder, but because both London and Paris did them on the cheap and really well they could do it jointly .. certainly have enough venues to do it |
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"I don’t think anyone doubts Trump is a bully. He thrives on attention. One of the most powerful ways of dealing with someone like that is to deprive them of that attention.
No one is going to stop the Americans taking Greenland by force. Go for the soft power. Ostracise him.
He is desperate for the World Cup to be a success. Boycott it. Pull the teams out. Same with the Olympics in Los Angeles. If other countries want to send a message then they can join in. Just stop picking up the phones to them for a while.
I made the suggestion of all the teams in UEFA boycotting the tournament.. to which I am sure most South American teams would follow (Brazil and Colombia definitely would)
You gut the World Cup.. put FIFA in a bind..
The Olympics might be harder, but because both London and Paris did them on the cheap and really well they could do it jointly .. certainly have enough venues to do it "
I guess you called for a boycott of Qatar and Russia too ? |
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"I don’t think anyone doubts Trump is a bully. He thrives on attention. One of the most powerful ways of dealing with someone like that is to deprive them of that attention.
No one is going to stop the Americans taking Greenland by force. Go for the soft power. Ostracise him.
He is desperate for the World Cup to be a success. Boycott it. Pull the teams out. Same with the Olympics in Los Angeles. If other countries want to send a message then they can join in. Just stop picking up the phones to them for a while.
I made the suggestion of all the teams in UEFA boycotting the tournament.. to which I am sure most South American teams would follow (Brazil and Colombia definitely would)
You gut the World Cup.. put FIFA in a bind..
The Olympics might be harder, but because both London and Paris did them on the cheap and really well they could do it jointly .. certainly have enough venues to do it
I guess you called for a boycott of Qatar and Russia too ? "
Russia was boycotted when they hosted the Olympics. It has also faced multiple sporting sanctions over Ukraine.
I am not aware that Qatar has threatened anyone?
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"I don’t think anyone doubts Trump is a bully. He thrives on attention. One of the most powerful ways of dealing with someone like that is to deprive them of that attention.
No one is going to stop the Americans taking Greenland by force. Go for the soft power. Ostracise him.
He is desperate for the World Cup to be a success. Boycott it. Pull the teams out. Same with the Olympics in Los Angeles. If other countries want to send a message then they can join in. Just stop picking up the phones to them for a while.
I made the suggestion of all the teams in UEFA boycotting the tournament.. to which I am sure most South American teams would follow (Brazil and Colombia definitely would)
You gut the World Cup.. put FIFA in a bind..
The Olympics might be harder, but because both London and Paris did them on the cheap and really well they could do it jointly .. certainly have enough venues to do it
I guess you called for a boycott of Qatar and Russia too ?
Russia was boycotted when they hosted the Olympics. It has also faced multiple sporting sanctions over Ukraine.
I am not aware that Qatar has threatened anyone?
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No one boycotted the 2018 WC in Russia, held after the invasion of Crimea. Qatar is a huge violator of human rights. |
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"I don’t think anyone doubts Trump is a bully. He thrives on attention. One of the most powerful ways of dealing with someone like that is to deprive them of that attention.
No one is going to stop the Americans taking Greenland by force. Go for the soft power. Ostracise him.
He is desperate for the World Cup to be a success. Boycott it. Pull the teams out. Same with the Olympics in Los Angeles. If other countries want to send a message then they can join in. Just stop picking up the phones to them for a while.
I made the suggestion of all the teams in UEFA boycotting the tournament.. to which I am sure most South American teams would follow (Brazil and Colombia definitely would)
You gut the World Cup.. put FIFA in a bind..
The Olympics might be harder, but because both London and Paris did them on the cheap and really well they could do it jointly .. certainly have enough venues to do it
I guess you called for a boycott of Qatar and Russia too ?
Russia was boycotted when they hosted the Olympics. It has also faced multiple sporting sanctions over Ukraine.
I am not aware that Qatar has threatened anyone?
No one boycotted the 2018 WC in Russia, held after the invasion of Crimea. Qatar is a huge violator of human rights. "
You are missing the point of the original post. This is about how you hit Trumps ego. It is not about being consistent. It is about finding a leverage point. |
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"I don’t think anyone doubts Trump is a bully. He thrives on attention. One of the most powerful ways of dealing with someone like that is to deprive them of that attention.
No one is going to stop the Americans taking Greenland by force. Go for the soft power. Ostracise him.
He is desperate for the World Cup to be a success. Boycott it. Pull the teams out. Same with the Olympics in Los Angeles. If other countries want to send a message then they can join in. Just stop picking up the phones to them for a while.
I made the suggestion of all the teams in UEFA boycotting the tournament.. to which I am sure most South American teams would follow (Brazil and Colombia definitely would)
You gut the World Cup.. put FIFA in a bind..
The Olympics might be harder, but because both London and Paris did them on the cheap and really well they could do it jointly .. certainly have enough venues to do it
I guess you called for a boycott of Qatar and Russia too ?
Russia was boycotted when they hosted the Olympics. It has also faced multiple sporting sanctions over Ukraine.
I am not aware that Qatar has threatened anyone?
No one boycotted the 2018 WC in Russia, held after the invasion of Crimea. Qatar is a huge violator of human rights.
You are missing the point of the original post. This is about how you hit Trumps ego. It is not about being consistent. It is about finding a leverage point."
No, I was responding directly to Fabio and asking if he applied the same principles to other countries. |
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"He is so unpredictable. I’d say he would not invade but he just put elite troops into a foreign country and took their president.
Jury out where this could go and with EU states joined at the hip - what if he doesn’t back down ?"
The difference is Greenland is a NATO country through Denmark surely? |
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Lisa Nandy the culture secretary has said the UK will not compromise on its position that Greenland's future must be decided by its own people.
Why does she assume Greenland need to decide anything. They are a sovereign country. |
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By *winga2Man 15 weeks ago
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"Lisa Nandy the culture secretary has said the UK will not compromise on its position that Greenland's future must be decided by its own people.
Why does she assume Greenland need to decide anything. They are a sovereign country. "
They're not, they're a self governing autonomous territory within Denmark and as such are part of NATO |
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"Lisa Nandy the culture secretary has said the UK will not compromise on its position that Greenland's future must be decided by its own people.
Why does she assume Greenland need to decide anything. They are a sovereign country. "
How about protecting Britain's sovereignty from criminals and terrorists ? |
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By *d4ugirlsMan 15 weeks ago
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"The issue Trump is going to face is the inevitable u-turn he will need to make. He is fighting with what the believes are for want of a better descriptor nuclear tariffs.
The reality is simple, over price the US market and it disappears. There will be obvious consequences for businesses that rely on the US markets, but the constant turmoil will drive diversification and a move away from the US market.
This threat in my opinion, is his something that he will regret..
Trump's first year so far must have already sent a message to all the countries around the world. Never make yourself dependent on another country when it comes to food, water, energy and defense. Even if it's expensive to produce in your own country, it makes sense to keep these industries running. This would get the globalists and libertarian economists fuming.
In the long term, Trump's tarriff threats would create a lot of negative impact on the US. But I am guessing Trump prefers the short term leverage he is getting out of this as he won't be the president when the long term impact hits the country.
I think you are correct about the longterm impact, however I think the short term is also going to come to bite him hard. The "joint exercise" in Greenland was pretty much an unthinkable message 6 months ago, and I must say I was surprised they sent it considering the lack of response towards Russia.
I feel a mood change and being pushed into a corner economically only lasts as long as the ties are in place. The US is a substantial market but not one that is irreplaceable, their military might is formidable but not in Europes favour if their leader doesn't respect us."
Respect is earned.
Cannot think of anything that UK or the rest of Europe has done during starmers time in office that has commanded a consideration of respect.
I am strongly thankful and proud of the UKs armed forces in previous conflicts.
At this time UKs leadership and Europes leadership just roll over.
Russia and China have taken advantage during the last US administrations weaknesses.
Now there is an administration in place in the US that is taking away those advantages gained, and exploring strategies to gain dominance to ensure world peace.
Look past your media motivated hate of President Trump, accept that he might have a personality you don't like.
But there is a lot of goodness that has been coming out of his administration.
Inflation is down in the states below 3%, GDP is substantially up, employment rate is where it needs to be.
Worry about England and what needs to be set right there.
Moaning on here is not going to get Englands many issues sorted.
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Agent Kraznov has been doing his handlers bidding with relish. Act like a petulant child and damage a coalition that has helped preserve peace for over 70 years, ignore your own constitution when it does not serve your own selfish needs, populate your cabinet with unqualified toadying yes men too scared to question your more deranged ideas, pursue petty vendettas against those you perceived slighted you in the past and use the position of President to further enrich yourself, family and luckiest with no obvious sign of a moral compass. More damage has been done to the global reputation of the US in one year than at any other time in history. By all means point the finger at other leaders and call out their failings but ignoring the obvious orange elephant in the room is very shortsighted. |
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By *abioMan 15 weeks ago
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What is then the point of for example, the much fabled UK-US trade deal, if anytime you piss him off and hurt his feelings he then threatened tariffs
These aren’t economic.. these are bullying.. the same sort he levied on Brazil because they would not pardon his buddy bolsenaro
Anyway… the timing is not actually that bad for the Europeans… as both the UK-US and EU-US trade deals have not been ratified, which hurts his economy policy and justification for tariffs goes bad domestically
Also if the EU wants to ramp up pressure it has anti coercion laws it can use and it would hit all his tech buddies, that would put him and Vance in a hell of a position |
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"What is then the point of for example, the much fabled UK-US trade deal, if anytime you piss him off and hurt his feelings he then threatened tariffs
These aren’t economic.. these are bullying.. the same sort he levied on Brazil because they would not pardon his buddy bolsenaro
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This is the core of it. At some point people have to realise that any deal with him is irrelevant.
Flip a coin. Heads you are going to get whacked. Tails you are going to get whacked. Why would anyone bother playing that game?
Walk away and ignore him. He will only threaten to do the same thing he is threatening now anyway. Either way you are going to get whacked. |
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By *otMe66Man 15 weeks ago
Terra Firma |
"The issue Trump is going to face is the inevitable u-turn he will need to make. He is fighting with what the believes are for want of a better descriptor nuclear tariffs.
The reality is simple, over price the US market and it disappears. There will be obvious consequences for businesses that rely on the US markets, but the constant turmoil will drive diversification and a move away from the US market.
This threat in my opinion, is his something that he will regret..
Trump's first year so far must have already sent a message to all the countries around the world. Never make yourself dependent on another country when it comes to food, water, energy and defense. Even if it's expensive to produce in your own country, it makes sense to keep these industries running. This would get the globalists and libertarian economists fuming.
In the long term, Trump's tarriff threats would create a lot of negative impact on the US. But I am guessing Trump prefers the short term leverage he is getting out of this as he won't be the president when the long term impact hits the country.
I think you are correct about the longterm impact, however I think the short term is also going to come to bite him hard. The "joint exercise" in Greenland was pretty much an unthinkable message 6 months ago, and I must say I was surprised they sent it considering the lack of response towards Russia.
I feel a mood change and being pushed into a corner economically only lasts as long as the ties are in place. The US is a substantial market but not one that is irreplaceable, their military might is formidable but not in Europes favour if their leader doesn't respect us.
Respect is earned.
Cannot think of anything that UK or the rest of Europe has done during starmers time in office that has commanded a consideration of respect.
I am strongly thankful and proud of the UKs armed forces in previous conflicts.
At this time UKs leadership and Europes leadership just roll over.
Russia and China have taken advantage during the last US administrations weaknesses.
Now there is an administration in place in the US that is taking away those advantages gained, and exploring strategies to gain dominance to ensure world peace.
Look past your media motivated hate of President Trump, accept that he might have a personality you don't like.
But there is a lot of goodness that has been coming out of his administration.
Inflation is down in the states below 3%, GDP is substantially up, employment rate is where it needs to be.
Worry about England and what needs to be set right there.
Moaning on here is not going to get Englands many issues sorted.
Step up"
What do you think Im moaning about exactly? |
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By *abioMan 15 weeks ago
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"What is then the point of for example, the much fabled UK-US trade deal, if anytime you piss him off and hurt his feelings he then threatened tariffs
These aren’t economic.. these are bullying.. the same sort he levied on Brazil because they would not pardon his buddy bolsenaro
This is the core of it. At some point people have to realise that any deal with him is irrelevant.
Flip a coin. Heads you are going to get whacked. Tails you are going to get whacked. Why would anyone bother playing that game?
Walk away and ignore him. He will only threaten to do the same thing he is threatening now anyway. Either way you are going to get whacked."
The good thing/saving grace is that the process trump is using for these tariffs are under his “national security” powers
His treasury secretary kinda gave away the game this morning on the us Sunday morning shows by saying it was for “ long term national security “ … which is an almighty reach on his powers and it will almost certainly be challenged as it only supposed to be used for 90 days |
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/trump-letter-greenland-nobel-peace-b2903022.html
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Dear Jonas: Considering your Country decided not to give me the Nobel Peace Prize for having stopped 8 Wars PLUS, I no longer feel an obligation to think purely of Peace, although it will always be predominant, but can now think about what is good and proper for the United States of America.
Denmark cannot protect that land from Russia or China, and why do they have a ‘right of ownership’ anyway? There are no written documents, it’s only that a boat landed there hundreds of years ago, but we had boats landing there, also.
I have done more for NATO than any other person since its founding, and now, NATO should do something for the United States. The World is not secure unless we have Complete and Total Control of Greenland. Thank you! President DJT
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You didn't give me a Nobel prize for peace... So I might as well not care about peace. So... I want Greenland. I'll take that, thanks.
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By *abioMan 15 weeks ago
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"https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/trump-letter-greenland-nobel-peace-b2903022.html
Dear Jonas: Considering your Country decided not to give me the Nobel Peace Prize for having stopped 8 Wars PLUS, I no longer feel an obligation to think purely of Peace, although it will always be predominant, but can now think about what is good and proper for the United States of America.
Denmark cannot protect that land from Russia or China, and why do they have a ‘right of ownership’ anyway? There are no written documents, it’s only that a boat landed there hundreds of years ago, but we had boats landing there, also.
I have done more for NATO than any other person since its founding, and now, NATO should do something for the United States. The World is not secure unless we have Complete and Total Control of Greenland. Thank you! President DJT
You didn't give me a Nobel prize for peace... So I might as well not care about peace. So... I want Greenland. I'll take that, thanks.
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I am glad you put in the entire letter…
It’s such a crying baby thing .. he took his ball home
There are going to be 3 things that should stop trump
1) there is zero chance there is enough support in the US senate for him to get war powers authorisation to invade Greenland (although he might try and do it and argue the legality of it later)
2) if he tries to use it as an excuse to pull out of NATO, again that is something he can’t do unilaterally… he would need to go through the senate (they put that block in after January 6) senate would not pass that!
3) the tarrifs thread has been done under the “national security “clause… that is a huge overreach (it’s only supposed to last 90 days) and stuff like that could be struck down as soon as this week when SCOTUS comes back with the general decision on his other tariff orders |
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By *abioMan 15 weeks ago
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"https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/trump-letter-greenland-nobel-peace-b2903022.html
Dear Jonas: Considering your Country decided not to give me the Nobel Peace Prize for having stopped 8 Wars PLUS, I no longer feel an obligation to think purely of Peace, although it will always be predominant, but can now think about what is good and proper for the United States of America.
Denmark cannot protect that land from Russia or China, and why do they have a ‘right of ownership’ anyway? There are no written documents, it’s only that a boat landed there hundreds of years ago, but we had boats landing there, also.
I have done more for NATO than any other person since its founding, and now, NATO should do something for the United States. The World is not secure unless we have Complete and Total Control of Greenland. Thank you! President DJT
You didn't give me a Nobel prize for peace... So I might as well not care about peace. So... I want Greenland. I'll take that, thanks.
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The wild thing is he is complaining to the Norwegian government… over a private prize committee they have no control over… and linking that to threat about something linked to a different country!
2 personal thoughts
1) if this isn’t a sign he has gone mad and needs impeachment to be removed, there will never be a more perfect example… I mean.. we all thought it was a joke.. right?
2) is this the ultimate “I would like to complain to the manager “ letter ever
The “Karen” is strong in him (apologies to anyone named Karen) lol |
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"Dear Jonas: Considering your Country decided not to give me the Nobel Peace Prize for having stopped 8 Wars PLUS, I no longer feel an obligation to think purely of Peace, although it will always be predominant, but can now think about what is good and proper for the United States of America.
Denmark cannot protect that land from Russia or China, and why do they have a ‘right of ownership’ anyway? There are no written documents, it’s only that a boat landed there hundreds of years ago, but we had boats landing there, also.
I have done more for NATO than any other person since its founding, and now, NATO should do something for the United States. The World is not secure unless we have Complete and Total Control of Greenland. Thank you! President DJT"
Surely that's not a real communication from Trump (I don't have a Telegraph subscription so I can't check the whole story). Even he couldn't go that low. |
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Europe can't defend itself because its addicted to unaffordable welfare, low skill mass immigration and mad net zero policies. Change those, spend 4% of GDP on defense and perhaps Trump and rest of the world will take us seriously. Until then, suck it up sister. |
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"https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/trump-letter-greenland-nobel-peace-b2903022.html
Dear Jonas: Considering your Country decided not to give me the Nobel Peace Prize for having stopped 8 Wars PLUS, I no longer feel an obligation to think purely of Peace, although it will always be predominant, but can now think about what is good and proper for the United States of America.
Denmark cannot protect that land from Russia or China, and why do they have a ‘right of ownership’ anyway? There are no written documents, it’s only that a boat landed there hundreds of years ago, but we had boats landing there, also.
I have done more for NATO than any other person since its founding, and now, NATO should do something for the United States. The World is not secure unless we have Complete and Total Control of Greenland. Thank you! President DJT
You didn't give me a Nobel prize for peace... So I might as well not care about peace. So... I want Greenland. I'll take that, thanks.
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The guy is getting more and more unhinged with time. I am guessing/hoping that the other Republicans/Corporates would step in before he decides go to a war. |
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"Dear Jonas: Considering your Country decided not to give me the Nobel Peace Prize for having stopped 8 Wars PLUS, I no longer feel an obligation to think purely of Peace, although it will always be predominant, but can now think about what is good and proper for the United States of America.
Denmark cannot protect that land from Russia or China, and why do they have a ‘right of ownership’ anyway? There are no written documents, it’s only that a boat landed there hundreds of years ago, but we had boats landing there, also.
I have done more for NATO than any other person since its founding, and now, NATO should do something for the United States. The World is not secure unless we have Complete and Total Control of Greenland. Thank you! President DJT
Surely that's not a real communication from Trump (I don't have a Telegraph subscription so I can't check the whole story). Even he couldn't go that low."
Surely that was written to discredit him by a joker on the editorial staff of Private Eye or similar?
If it wasn't, they must be wishing they had beaten him to it!
How could any statesmen even contemplate opening and finishing a letter to another head of state in that manner, regardless of the bulk of the message?
It is totally puerile and does his dwindling credibility no favours whatsoever.
What say all his defenders now? Go on, make fools of yourselves as well!
Surely someone is pulling plonkas on a grand scale? |
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Meanwhile, a message from Trump to the Norwegian prime minister has emerged, in which he reportedly says not being given the Nobel Peace Prize means he no longer has "an obligation to think purely of peace, although it will always be predominant" |
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"https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/trump-letter-greenland-nobel-peace-b2903022.html
Dear Jonas: Considering your Country decided not to give me the Nobel Peace Prize for having stopped 8 Wars PLUS, I no longer feel an obligation to think purely of Peace, although it will always be predominant, but can now think about what is good and proper for the United States of America.
Denmark cannot protect that land from Russia or China, and why do they have a ‘right of ownership’ anyway? There are no written documents, it’s only that a boat landed there hundreds of years ago, but we had boats landing there, also.
I have done more for NATO than any other person since its founding, and now, NATO should do something for the United States. The World is not secure unless we have Complete and Total Control of Greenland. Thank you! President DJT
You didn't give me a Nobel prize for peace... So I might as well not care about peace. So... I want Greenland. I'll take that, thanks.
The wild thing is he is complaining to the Norwegian government… over a private prize committee they have no control over… and linking that to threat about something linked to a different country!
2 personal thoughts
1) if this isn’t a sign he has gone mad and needs impeachment to be removed, there will never be a more perfect example… I mean.. we all thought it was a joke.. right?
2) is this the ultimate “I would like to complain to the manager “ letter ever
The “Karen” is strong in him (apologies to anyone named Karen) lol"
Just for clarify; The Nobel Peace Prize is awarded by the Norwegian Nobel Committee, appointed by the Norwegian Parliament, as per Alfred Nobel's wishes...this despite Alfred Nobel was Swedish, & the other Nobel Prizes are awarded by the Swedish committee...an interesting detail |
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"Dear Jonas: Considering your Country decided not to give me the Nobel Peace Prize for having stopped 8 Wars PLUS, I no longer feel an obligation to think purely of Peace, although it will always be predominant, but can now think about what is good and proper for the United States of America.
Denmark cannot protect that land from Russia or China, and why do they have a ‘right of ownership’ anyway? There are no written documents, it’s only that a boat landed there hundreds of years ago, but we had boats landing there, also.
I have done more for NATO than any other person since its founding, and now, NATO should do something for the United States. The World is not secure unless we have Complete and Total Control of Greenland. Thank you! President DJT
Surely that's not a real communication from Trump (I don't have a Telegraph subscription so I can't check the whole story). Even he couldn't go that low."
It is. It's everywhere, including on the free-to-access Independent. |
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At this point, it feels like the guy has gone full mad. Even the usual "American interests" reasoning won't work anymore. Some Republican must act like an adult and start the conversation to replace him. |
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"At this point, it feels like the guy has gone full mad. Even the usual "American interests" reasoning won't work anymore. Some Republican must act like an adult and start the conversation to replace him."
We're not far from the world being divided into three states: Oceania, Eurasia and Eastasia.
What could possibly be bad about that? |
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"At this point, it feels like the guy has gone full mad. Even the usual "American interests" reasoning won't work anymore. Some Republican must act like an adult and start the conversation to replace him.
We're not far from the world being divided into three states: Oceania, Eurasia and Eastasia.
What could possibly be bad about that?"
#Literally1984 |
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By *9alMan 15 weeks ago
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I think we have to face up to the fact that Trump & the USA cannot be relied on for trade or defense . We need to stop buying US arms & goods, start producing more here & looking for other markets. there may be some difficult decisions to come |
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This is good in a way, Europe has been taking the pi$$ for decades relying on the US for defence, the Washington blob has been happy with the arrangement though because NATO has also been used as a tool of US hegemony.
Trump has done Europe a favour by going isolationist, it’ll just take some time for Europe to adapt.
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By *abioMan 15 weeks ago
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"I think we have to face up to the fact that Trump & the USA cannot be relied on for trade or defense . We need to stop buying US arms & goods, start producing more here & looking for other markets. there may be some difficult decisions to come "
Funny enough… trump literally chose the wrong week to open his mouth
Why?
At the end of this week on Thursday there was supposed to be a vote in the EU parliament about ratification of the EU-US trade deal where the US were going to give the EU a slight tariff discount from 20% to 15%, and more importantly.. the EU were going to waive any reciprocal tariff
That has now been deal has now been postponed
Which means that on February 1st the EU will now levy tariffs they had planned on approximately 95 billion euros on US imports
And the EU will still have the coercive laws to hit tech further
Trumps mouth literally cost the US 100 billion dollars |
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"This is good in a way, Europe has been taking the pi$$ for decades relying on the US for defence, the Washington blob has been happy with the arrangement though because NATO has also been used as a tool of US hegemony.
Trump has done Europe a favour by going isolationist, it’ll just take some time for Europe to adapt.
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Maybe Trump will opem more bases in Norway and Denmark (and its dependecies) and close down Mildenhall and Lakenheath? |
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By *abioMan 15 weeks ago
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"Genuinely curious as to what the criteria would be for the VP and the rest of the US governmental machinery to say he is not fit for office after that mail to Norway."
Either the 25th amendment… where half of his cabinet would have to say he is unfit to lead
Or impeach him… which would just need a simple majority in the house… followed by a 2/3rds majority in the senate |
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"I'm surprised that he hasn't already blamed Biden for this one."
He's not far off from that, asking for Biden's arrest and prosecution. Apparently for being president without Donald J.Trump's permission.  |
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"So where do Private Eye and other satirical publications go now? There's nothing they could write which will sound more deranged than Trump's own words."
This is exactly why South Park stopped parodying him for a few years. |
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By *winga2Man 15 weeks ago
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"Genuinely curious as to what the criteria would be for the VP and the rest of the US governmental machinery to say he is not fit for office after that mail to Norway.
Either the 25th amendment… where half of his cabinet would have to say he is unfit to lead
Or impeach him… which would just need a simple majority in the house… followed by a 2/3rds majority in the senate "
Not gonna happen.
It's now becoming obvious that Trump was in cahoots with Epstein and has evidence against top Republican party members .
Why else would they support him in the first place ? |
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"TDS is raging once again.
Worry about England, froze my back side off in latest visit. Judging by how cold everyone's house is that I visited, things are not going well!"
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So you dont think it's deranged to unilaterally take over another country that poses no threat? |
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"This is good in a way, Europe has been taking the pi$$ for decades relying on the US for defence, the Washington blob has been happy with the arrangement though because NATO has also been used as a tool of US hegemony.
Trump has done Europe a favour by going isolationist, it’ll just take some time for Europe to adapt.
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There are good reasons why the US have historically subsidised NATO, theyre potentially the biggest losers in an unstable world, as they're slowly starting to find out and it's totally self inflicted. |
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It was alledgedly suggested in the 1960s that the US was prepared to fight to the last European to preserve the American way of life. NATO has always been as beneficial to the US as it has been for the Europeans. |
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"This is good in a way, Europe has been taking the pi$$ for decades relying on the US for defence, the Washington blob has been happy with the arrangement though because NATO has also been used as a tool of US hegemony.
Trump has done Europe a favour by going isolationist, it’ll just take some time for Europe to adapt.
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There are good reasons why the US have historically subsidised NATO, theyre potentially the biggest losers in an unstable world, as they're slowly starting to find out and it's totally self inflicted. "
Disagree on this one. The majority US population became isolationist because they realised they aren't gaining much from pretending to be the world police and preserver of world peace.
Their entry into the middle east has been a costly failure. Europe, the supposed allies have reciprocated US military support by fining American companies in billions. And let's be honest, the US isn't the country that's really preserving world peace. If anything, them becoming isolationist would be better for world peace. So they were wasting hundreds of billions for nothing in return.
The problem is that Trump is anything but isolationist if he continues doing what he is doing with Greenland. He is basically betraying the people who voted for him based on his isolationist policy. |
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Empires rise and fall & this looks like the beginning of the end of the US empire. The bond issue is a real threat. The US is in hock to the tune of trillions to the countries Trump has threatened. If they decide to call his bluff and sell, the US is in deep, deep trouble. |
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"Empires rise and fall & this looks like the beginning of the end of the US empire. The bond issue is a real threat. The US is in hock to the tune of trillions to the countries Trump has threatened. If they decide to call his bluff and sell, the US is in deep, deep trouble."
I'll give him this, he is a bit of an expert at going bankrupt. |
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"Empires rise and fall & this looks like the beginning of the end of the US empire. The bond issue is a real threat. The US is in hock to the tune of trillions to the countries Trump has threatened. If they decide to call his bluff and sell, the US is in deep, deep trouble."
The main bond holders are Japan, China and then the UK. Europe holds relatively few treasuries. Belgium and Luxembourg hold the most in mainland Europe and that tells you everything - basically for private wealth purposes.
None of those countries are going to screw their Treasury holdings in the short term over this. The Japanese need them their aging society, China are going to hold them until they start fighting the US and then they will dump them and the UK has them in pensions and corporate accounts. Unless you tell your pension company to sell them they are not moving. |
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"Empires rise and fall & this looks like the beginning of the end of the US empire. The bond issue is a real threat. The US is in hock to the tune of trillions to the countries Trump has threatened. If they decide to call his bluff and sell, the US is in deep, deep trouble."
Would that not, once it happened reduce the worth of them and have an impact on the countries holding them?
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"Empires rise and fall & this looks like the beginning of the end of the US empire. The bond issue is a real threat. The US is in hock to the tune of trillions to the countries Trump has threatened. If they decide to call his bluff and sell, the US is in deep, deep trouble.
The main bond holders are Japan, China and then the UK. Europe holds relatively few treasuries. Belgium and Luxembourg hold the most in mainland Europe and that tells you everything - basically for private wealth purposes.
None of those countries are going to screw their Treasury holdings in the short term over this. The Japanese need them their aging society, China are going to hold them until they start fighting the US and then they will dump them and the UK has them in pensions and corporate accounts. Unless you tell your pension company to sell them they are not moving."
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If there is no big bond sell off there will certainly be retaliation.
Germany’s new softly softly chancellor:
“We have a set of instruments at our disposal, and we agree that we do not want to use them,” Merz said. “But if we have to use them, then we will do so. To what extent, with what intensity? That will depend on the situation as it arises with the U.S. government.”
China & India have already started moving away from US bonds more slowly & buying Gold instead.
The US was likely to lose its position as top dog eventually. All Trump’s idiocy is doing is speeding up that process. |
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"Empires rise and fall & this looks like the beginning of the end of the US empire. The bond issue is a real threat. The US is in hock to the tune of trillions to the countries Trump has threatened. If they decide to call his bluff and sell, the US is in deep, deep trouble."
Compare US growth figures with Europe, which really is in terminal decline.
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"If there is no big bond sell off there will certainly be retaliation.
Germany’s new softly softly chancellor:
“We have a set of instruments at our disposal, and we agree that we do not want to use them,” Merz said. “But if we have to use them, then we will do so. To what extent, with what intensity? That will depend on the situation as it arises with the U.S. government.”
China & India have already started moving away from US bonds more slowly & buying Gold instead.
The US was likely to lose its position as top dog eventually. All Trump’s idiocy is doing is speeding up that process."
When Europe talks about retaliation they are not talking about selling bonds. They are talking about activating the Anti Coercion Instrument. Basically that is a set of tariffs and other regulatory blocks like import restrictions and reduced access to things like banking services. It was meant to be used against China to stop full access to the European economies. |
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By *abioMan 15 weeks ago
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"Genuinely curious as to what the criteria would be for the VP and the rest of the US governmental machinery to say he is not fit for office after that mail to Norway.
Either the 25th amendment… where half of his cabinet would have to say he is unfit to lead
Or impeach him… which would just need a simple majority in the house… followed by a 2/3rds majority in the senate
Not gonna happen.
It's now becoming obvious that Trump was in cahoots with Epstein and has evidence against top Republican party members .
Why else would they support him in the first place ?"
I never said either would happen…. 
The chap just asked a question and I just supplied the answer
Is the 25th amendment a possibility… not a chance! The cabinet is full of yes people!
The impeachment option.. basically you are asking do I think I could find 19 republican senators who would vote against him …. No … I think you could find 10… but that would not be enough
I think they would try to scupper Him by using a war power resolution stating he couldn’t invade Greenland… I think that could pass in both the senate and the House… but not at a level where trump would not just veto it when it got to his desk
I honestly think Trump would just ignore it… invade first and argue the legality of it later and that would take a while to get to the Supreme Court
If I was Europe I would ask each country to supply 100 troops… and dare trump to do it and attack…. Call his bluff |
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By *winga2Man 15 weeks ago
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"Empires rise and fall & this looks like the beginning of the end of the US empire. The bond issue is a real threat. The US is in hock to the tune of trillions to the countries Trump has threatened. If they decide to call his bluff and sell, the US is in deep, deep trouble.
Compare US growth figures with Europe, which really is in terminal decline.
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You can't compare US figures to anywhere else, trump doesn't hire people that tell the truth about the US economy |
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By *abioMan 15 weeks ago
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When Europe talks about retaliation they are not talking about selling bonds. They are talking about activating the Anti Coercion Instrument. Basically that is a set of tariffs and other regulatory blocks like import restrictions and reduced access to things like banking services. It was meant to be used against China to stop full access to the European economies."
There is that.. trump’s mouth has already cost the US 110 billion in US export tariffs because of the postponement of the ratification of the US-EU trade agreement
They could also look elsewhere for defence.. for example, swapping F35s for Grypens… Boeing civilian aircraft for airbus’s.. withdrawal cooperation in five eyes..
Tell the the king and queen aren’t coming for the 250th anniversary celebrations.. the prince and princess of Wales not coming to the World Cup… in fact a UEFA boycott of the World Cup
And that’s all without the public doing what Canadians did with the 51st state stuff and massively boycotting American goods and tourism which has cost the US a lot… |
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"Genuinely curious as to what the criteria would be for the VP and the rest of the US governmental machinery to say he is not fit for office after that mail to Norway.
Either the 25th amendment… where half of his cabinet would have to say he is unfit to lead
Or impeach him… which would just need a simple majority in the house… followed by a 2/3rds majority in the senate
Not gonna happen.
It's now becoming obvious that Trump was in cahoots with Epstein and has evidence against top Republican party members .
Why else would they support him in the first place ?
I never said either would happen….
The chap just asked a question and I just supplied the answer
Is the 25th amendment a possibility… not a chance! The cabinet is full of yes people!
The impeachment option.. basically you are asking do I think I could find 19 republican senators who would vote against him …. No … I think you could find 10… but that would not be enough
I think they would try to scupper Him by using a war power resolution stating he couldn’t invade Greenland… I think that could pass in both the senate and the House… but not at a level where trump would not just veto it when it got to his desk
I honestly think Trump would just ignore it… invade first and argue the legality of it later and that would take a while to get to the Supreme Court
If I was Europe I would ask each country to supply 100 troops… and dare trump to do it and attack…. Call his bluff"
Fabio whilst acknowledging that on here you are streets ahead with your input on how things work in the land of your birth i hope your joking about the last point ?
Because playing dare to the man child on such an issue would be a red rag to his ego.. |
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When Europe talks about retaliation they are not talking about selling bonds. They are talking about activating the Anti Coercion Instrument. Basically that is a set of tariffs and other regulatory blocks like import restrictions and reduced access to things like banking services. It was meant to be used against China to stop full access to the European economies.
There is that.. trump’s mouth has already cost the US 110 billion in US export tariffs because of the postponement of the ratification of the US-EU trade agreement
They could also look elsewhere for defence.. for example, swapping F35s for Grypens… Boeing civilian aircraft for airbus’s.. withdrawal cooperation in five eyes..
Tell the the king and queen aren’t coming for the 250th anniversary celebrations.. the prince and princess of Wales not coming to the World Cup… in fact a UEFA boycott of the World Cup
And that’s all without the public doing what Canadians did with the 51st state stuff and massively boycotting American goods and tourism which has cost the US a lot…"
My understanding is that the tariff exemption expires on Feb 7. That obviously hasn’t happened yet and could be extended so that 110 billion isn’t a real figure at the moment.
Europe already favours Airbus over Boeing for strategic reasons. The fact Boeing planes keep falling out of the sky isn’t really helping their sales anywhere in the world even with Trumps “assistance”.
The Gripen is an interesting one as it can operate from roads and doesn’t need a proper runway where as the American planes need to be handled with kid gloves. The fact the Gripen can basically operate out of a shed should mean that it is actually a very good plane for fighting the Russians. |
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By *abioMan 15 weeks ago
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"Genuinely curious as to what the criteria would be for the VP and the rest of the US governmental machinery to say he is not fit for office after that mail to Norway.
Either the 25th amendment… where half of his cabinet would have to say he is unfit to lead
Or impeach him… which would just need a simple majority in the house… followed by a 2/3rds majority in the senate
Not gonna happen.
It's now becoming obvious that Trump was in cahoots with Epstein and has evidence against top Republican party members .
Why else would they support him in the first place ?
I never said either would happen….
The chap just asked a question and I just supplied the answer
Is the 25th amendment a possibility… not a chance! The cabinet is full of yes people!
The impeachment option.. basically you are asking do I think I could find 19 republican senators who would vote against him …. No … I think you could find 10… but that would not be enough
I think they would try to scupper Him by using a war power resolution stating he couldn’t invade Greenland… I think that could pass in both the senate and the House… but not at a level where trump would not just veto it when it got to his desk
I honestly think Trump would just ignore it… invade first and argue the legality of it later and that would take a while to get to the Supreme Court
If I was Europe I would ask each country to supply 100 troops… and dare trump to do it and attack…. Call his bluff
Fabio whilst acknowledging that on here you are streets ahead with your input on how things work in the land of your birth i hope your joking about the last point ?
Because playing dare to the man child on such an issue would be a red rag to his ego.."
I think if he ever attacked other nato countries without permission he would be impeached and removed on the spot… it would be such a public climb down and show bullies won’t win
I don’t think the military would follow the orders |
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By *winga2Man 15 weeks ago
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He's out the US in a lose lose situation.
I doubt he'll be allowed to launch a military exercise against NATO so either he steps back and lools weak or he gets removed and the US looks weak .
His end must be nigh but it's definitely not going to be a good ending for the country that elected him and China and Russia will definitely be on the front foot with Taiwan, Ukraine and probably a lot more former Soviet countries. |
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"Genuinely curious as to what the criteria would be for the VP and the rest of the US governmental machinery to say he is not fit for office after that mail to Norway.
Either the 25th amendment… where half of his cabinet would have to say he is unfit to lead
Or impeach him… which would just need a simple majority in the house… followed by a 2/3rds majority in the senate
Not gonna happen.
It's now becoming obvious that Trump was in cahoots with Epstein and has evidence against top Republican party members .
Why else would they support him in the first place ?
I never said either would happen….
The chap just asked a question and I just supplied the answer
Is the 25th amendment a possibility… not a chance! The cabinet is full of yes people!
The impeachment option.. basically you are asking do I think I could find 19 republican senators who would vote against him …. No … I think you could find 10… but that would not be enough
I think they would try to scupper Him by using a war power resolution stating he couldn’t invade Greenland… I think that could pass in both the senate and the House… but not at a level where trump would not just veto it when it got to his desk
I honestly think Trump would just ignore it… invade first and argue the legality of it later and that would take a while to get to the Supreme Court
If I was Europe I would ask each country to supply 100 troops… and dare trump to do it and attack…. Call his bluff
Fabio whilst acknowledging that on here you are streets ahead with your input on how things work in the land of your birth i hope your joking about the last point ?
Because playing dare to the man child on such an issue would be a red rag to his ego..
I think if he ever attacked other nato countries without permission he would be impeached and removed on the spot… it would be such a public climb down and show bullies won’t win
I don’t think the military would follow the orders "
Im not sure he would do either but if he did i don't know how that would roll if whomever tried to oust him..
Have you seen Dr Strangelove..
Its mad that we are in this position with any US President and Putin and China are loving it.. |
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By *winga2Man 15 weeks ago
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Or will he follow Putin and enlist the worst convicts and send them like barbarian whores to wipe out the native population in Greenland like the white men did in the 1800s with native Americans.
Who actually "owns" the US ?
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"It would appear someone has pulled in the reigns of the obnoxious cunt.
He won't use force in Greenland "
He still says he wants "immediate negotiations". What happens if Europe isn't willing to negotiate? |
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By *winga2Man 15 weeks ago
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"He will throw his Teddy out of the pram and hold his breath until everyone is nice to him and gives the annoying toddler what he wants. "
And he'll put tarrifs on the tarrifs and the US consumer will happily pay them.
It'll be very interesting to see what sort of details there are in the Canada/China deal.
The US may well look like many insular south American countries in a few decades |
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By *otMe66Man 15 weeks ago
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"It would appear someone has pulled in the reigns of the obnoxious cunt.
He won't use force in Greenland
Not sure I would trust him one bit on that especially if others stand up to him"
I believe he backed down from force when troops were sent to Greenland, and created a physical Nato zone. It has taken him a few hissy fits and several days to get over it. |
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What a surprise, Trump won't use force or impose tariffs over Greenland. Its almost as if people got hysterical over a lot of nonsense, good job there's nothing more serious going on in the world heh ? 🤦♂️ |
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By *otMe66Man 15 weeks ago
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"What a surprise, Trump won't use force or impose tariffs over Greenland. Its almost as if people got hysterical over a lot of nonsense, good job there's nothing more serious going on in the world heh ? 🤦♂️"
I think he was contemplating it after the success of Venezuela. |
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"What a surprise, Trump won't use force or impose tariffs over Greenland. Its almost as if people got hysterical over a lot of nonsense, good job there's nothing more serious going on in the world heh ? 🤦♂️"
More than likely his own party told him to wind his fucking neck in |
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I am really curious as to what Mark Rutte said to Trump in their meeting that has allowed Trump to back down from his threats due to a “framework” agreement.
Rutte has been incredibly sycophantic to Trump since he came to power. He also has no power to agree anything but I wonder if it is possible that Trump thinks he speaks for Europe and he has “agreed” to whatever Trump wants? |
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"What a surprise, Trump won't use force or impose tariffs over Greenland. Its almost as if people got hysterical over a lot of nonsense, good job there's nothing more serious going on in the world heh ? 🤦♂️
I think he was contemplating it after the success of Venezuela. "
Quite possibly but any experience of Trump the politician tells you he both talks without filters and uses this to push the political narrative in his direction.
The acquisition of Greenland has been on the US agenda for decades, does make strategic sense, and is far from impossible given most Greenlanders don't think much of Denmark and have often been badly treated. With his latest pronouncements he has put the issue back on the table with at least the theoretical threat of force to focus Denmark's attention. And emphasised again how weak Europe is militarily, one of his justified themes since his first term.
Not a bad result for a lunatic. |
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By *otMe66Man 15 weeks ago
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"What a surprise, Trump won't use force or impose tariffs over Greenland. Its almost as if people got hysterical over a lot of nonsense, good job there's nothing more serious going on in the world heh ? 🤦♂️
I think he was contemplating it after the success of Venezuela.
Quite possibly but any experience of Trump the politician tells you he both talks without filters and uses this to push the political narrative in his direction.
The acquisition of Greenland has been on the US agenda for decades, does make strategic sense, and is far from impossible given most Greenlanders don't think much of Denmark and have often been badly treated. With his latest pronouncements he has put the issue back on the table with at least the theoretical threat of force to focus Denmark's attention. And emphasised again how weak Europe is militarily, one of his justified themes since his first term.
Not a bad result for a lunatic."
I agree that this is not a new thing, which is wonderfully overlooked or ignored, choose your poison
Saying that, it can't be ignored that the "how to" go about such an acquisition is not in Trumps wheelhouse, if it needs to be approached in any dimension other than ask, threaten, force.
That came over in his Davos greatest hits speech. it took just 3 minutes for leaders to fold. I said I want, they said we can't, I said you will. they said okay. |
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Quite possibly but any experience of Trump the politician tells you he both talks without filters and uses this to push the political narrative in his direction.
And emphasised again how weak Europe is militarily, one of his justified themes since his first term.
Not a bad result for a lunatic."
He does indeed talk without filters. And push his America First nonsense. History is not kind to those who push such dangerous and divisive, nay bullying agendas all over the place. There's nothing admirable about that.
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Europe weak ? France has about 300 nukes, and we have about 250. America has a lot more stationed in Europe and they have prior form for using them. |
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By *abioMan 15 weeks ago
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"I am really curious as to what Mark Rutte said to Trump in their meeting that has allowed Trump to back down from his threats due to a “framework” agreement.
Rutte has been incredibly sycophantic to Trump since he came to power. He also has no power to agree anything but I wonder if it is possible that Trump thinks he speaks for Europe and he has “agreed” to whatever Trump wants?"
It certainly won’t have anything to do with sovereignty…. As he would not be able to authorise that
My guess is that trump will spin it to say any future base built will be regarded as US territory… which is what is the norm, and is already basically in the current agreement |
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By *winga2Man 15 weeks ago
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"What a surprise, Trump won't use force or impose tariffs over Greenland. Its almost as if people got hysterical over a lot of nonsense, good job there's nothing more serious going on in the world heh ? 🤦♂️
I think he was contemplating it after the success of Venezuela.
Quite possibly but any experience of Trump the politician tells you he both talks without filters and uses this to push the political narrative in his direction.
The acquisition of Greenland has been on the US agenda for decades, does make strategic sense, and is far from impossible given most Greenlanders don't think much of Denmark and have often been badly treated. With his latest pronouncements he has put the issue back on the table with at least the theoretical threat of force to focus Denmark's attention. And emphasised again how weak Europe is militarily, one of his justified themes since his first term.
Not a bad result for a lunatic."
He's a fucking gobshite and his time is coming to an end.
His own have turned in him finally. |
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"What a surprise, Trump won't use force or impose tariffs over Greenland. Its almost as if people got hysterical over a lot of nonsense, good job there's nothing more serious going on in the world heh ? 🤦♂️
I think he was contemplating it after the success of Venezuela.
Quite possibly but any experience of Trump the politician tells you he both talks without filters and uses this to push the political narrative in his direction.
The acquisition of Greenland has been on the US agenda for decades, does make strategic sense, and is far from impossible given most Greenlanders don't think much of Denmark and have often been badly treated. With his latest pronouncements he has put the issue back on the table with at least the theoretical threat of force to focus Denmark's attention. And emphasised again how weak Europe is militarily, one of his justified themes since his first term.
Not a bad result for a lunatic.
He's a fucking gobshite and his time is coming to an end.
His own have turned in him finally."
I'm not normally keen on the expression 'Gobshite' but in his case I couldn't think of a better description. Particularly after listening to his self praising speech at Davos! |
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"What a surprise, Trump won't use force or impose tariffs over Greenland. Its almost as if people got hysterical over a lot of nonsense, good job there's nothing more serious going on in the world heh ? 🤦♂️
I think he was contemplating it after the success of Venezuela.
Quite possibly but any experience of Trump the politician tells you he both talks without filters and uses this to push the political narrative in his direction.
The acquisition of Greenland has been on the US agenda for decades, does make strategic sense, and is far from impossible given most Greenlanders don't think much of Denmark and have often been badly treated. With his latest pronouncements he has put the issue back on the table with at least the theoretical threat of force to focus Denmark's attention. And emphasised again how weak Europe is militarily, one of his justified themes since his first term.
Not a bad result for a lunatic.
He's a fucking gobshite and his time is coming to an end.
His own have turned in him finally."
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"So now Europe dangles a carrot for a few years and the cunt is too stupid to realise 😂🤣"
It gives him an out till the next idea comes into his head..
Like scrapping the Un and setting up a 'global alternative' for those who wish to pay billions..
A none accountable rich countries club..
A nice little earner for him and his friends.. |
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By *winga2Man 15 weeks ago
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"So now Europe dangles a carrot for a few years and the cunt is too stupid to realise 😂🤣
It gives him an out till the next idea comes into his head..
Like scrapping the Un and setting up a 'global alternative' for those who wish to pay billions..
A none accountable rich countries club..
A nice little earner for him and his friends.."
Smart people are learning that if you make.him think it's his idea he's happy then just strong him along until he forgets all about it. Usually about a week given his dementia. |
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"So now Europe dangles a carrot for a few years and the cunt is too stupid to realise 😂🤣
It gives him an out till the next idea comes into his head..
Like scrapping the Un and setting up a 'global alternative' for those who wish to pay billions..
A none accountable rich countries club..
A nice little earner for him and his friends..
Smart people are learning that if you make.him think it's his idea he's happy then just strong him along until he forgets all about it. Usually about a week given his dementia."
And no prizes for guessing the name thats bound to be pushed for such a proposed venture.. |
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"So now Europe dangles a carrot for a few years and the cunt is too stupid to realise 😂🤣
It gives him an out till the next idea comes into his head..
Like scrapping the Un and setting up a 'global alternative' for those who wish to pay billions..
A none accountable rich countries club..
A nice little earner for him and his friends..
Smart people are learning that if you make.him think it's his idea he's happy then just strong him along until he forgets all about it. Usually about a week given his dementia.
And no prizes for guessing the name thats bound to be pushed for such a proposed venture.. "
Let me guess
The Donald trump society for world peace ? |
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"So now Europe dangles a carrot for a few years and the cunt is too stupid to realise 😂🤣
It gives him an out till the next idea comes into his head..
Like scrapping the Un and setting up a 'global alternative' for those who wish to pay billions..
A none accountable rich countries club..
A nice little earner for him and his friends..
Smart people are learning that if you make.him think it's his idea he's happy then just strong him along until he forgets all about it. Usually about a week given his dementia.
And no prizes for guessing the name thats bound to be pushed for such a proposed venture..
Let me guess
The Donald trump society for world peace ?"
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As a hobbyist stocks investor, it genuinely feels like all of Trump's geopolitical circus is just a pump and dump scheme for his mates to make money.
Guy makes some crazy statements like tariffs or war, many stocks except defense stocks go down. He doubles down on it for a couple of days when the stocks keep going down. Then he says that he prefers peace, a deal has been reached and it's all good. All the dumped stocks recover.
Happened quite a few times since his election. It's hard not to notice this. |
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By *otMe66Man 15 weeks ago
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"As a hobbyist stocks investor, it genuinely feels like all of Trump's geopolitical circus is just a pump and dump scheme for his mates to make money.
Guy makes some crazy statements like tariffs or war, many stocks except defense stocks go down. He doubles down on it for a couple of days when the stocks keep going down. Then he says that he prefers peace, a deal has been reached and it's all good. All the dumped stocks recover.
Happened quite a few times since his election. It's hard not to notice this."
I think you are trying to find measured reasons for the swings in his approach. I believe it is simply firing from the hip and back tracking. Sounds crazy for it to be that straight forward and even a hope that it was for nefarious reasons would be better than random reactions. |
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"As a hobbyist stocks investor, it genuinely feels like all of Trump's geopolitical circus is just a pump and dump scheme for his mates to make money.
Guy makes some crazy statements like tariffs or war, many stocks except defense stocks go down. He doubles down on it for a couple of days when the stocks keep going down. Then he says that he prefers peace, a deal has been reached and it's all good. All the dumped stocks recover.
Happened quite a few times since his election. It's hard not to notice this.
I think you are trying to find measured reasons for the swings in his approach. I believe it is simply firing from the hip and back tracking. Sounds crazy for it to be that straight forward and even a hope that it was for nefarious reasons would be better than random reactions."
I agree that this falls into the conspiracy theory territory. But the theory is more popular than you think.
I came across many discussions about it in some stock investors forums over the last year. Some were even planning how to take advantage of Trump's market manipulation scheme and buy and sell the stocks at the right time 😛
Trump literally posted "THIS IS A GREAT TIME TO BUY" on his Truth Social account once. |
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"As a hobbyist stocks investor, it genuinely feels like all of Trump's geopolitical circus is just a pump and dump scheme for his mates to make money.
Guy makes some crazy statements like tariffs or war, many stocks except defense stocks go down. He doubles down on it for a couple of days when the stocks keep going down. Then he says that he prefers peace, a deal has been reached and it's all good. All the dumped stocks recover.
Happened quite a few times since his election. It's hard not to notice this.
I think you are trying to find measured reasons for the swings in his approach. I believe it is simply firing from the hip and back tracking. Sounds crazy for it to be that straight forward and even a hope that it was for nefarious reasons would be better than random reactions.
I agree that this falls into the conspiracy theory territory. But the theory is more popular than you think.
I came across many discussions about it in some stock investors forums over the last year. Some were even planning how to take advantage of Trump's market manipulation scheme and buy and sell the stocks at the right time 😛
Trump literally posted "THIS IS A GREAT TIME TO BUY" on his Truth Social account once."
I wouldn't bet on it not being as you said above but can also see NotMe's point too..
Its sort of like well he's proven to say something and then reverse it so if people speculate etc and buy or sell then that's just how it is but it could simply be that each time theres a different element then that's keeping his backers happy.. |
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By *winga2Man 15 weeks ago
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"As a hobbyist stocks investor, it genuinely feels like all of Trump's geopolitical circus is just a pump and dump scheme for his mates to make money.
Guy makes some crazy statements like tariffs or war, many stocks except defense stocks go down. He doubles down on it for a couple of days when the stocks keep going down. Then he says that he prefers peace, a deal has been reached and it's all good. All the dumped stocks recover.
Happened quite a few times since his election. It's hard not to notice this.
I think you are trying to find measured reasons for the swings in his approach. I believe it is simply firing from the hip and back tracking. Sounds crazy for it to be that straight forward and even a hope that it was for nefarious reasons would be better than random reactions.
I agree that this falls into the conspiracy theory territory. But the theory is more popular than you think.
I came across many discussions about it in some stock investors forums over the last year. Some were even planning how to take advantage of Trump's market manipulation scheme and buy and sell the stocks at the right time 😛
Trump literally posted "THIS IS A GREAT TIME TO BUY" on his Truth Social account once.
I wouldn't bet on it not being as you said above but can also see NotMe's point too..
Its sort of like well he's proven to say something and then reverse it so if people speculate etc and buy or sell then that's just how it is but it could simply be that each time theres a different element then that's keeping his backers happy.."
Look into American bitcoin and who bought and sold this week |
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"As a hobbyist stocks investor, it genuinely feels like all of Trump's geopolitical circus is just a pump and dump scheme for his mates to make money.
Guy makes some crazy statements like tariffs or war, many stocks except defense stocks go down. He doubles down on it for a couple of days when the stocks keep going down. Then he says that he prefers peace, a deal has been reached and it's all good. All the dumped stocks recover.
Happened quite a few times since his election. It's hard not to notice this.
I think you are trying to find measured reasons for the swings in his approach. I believe it is simply firing from the hip and back tracking. Sounds crazy for it to be that straight forward and even a hope that it was for nefarious reasons would be better than random reactions.
I agree that this falls into the conspiracy theory territory. But the theory is more popular than you think.
I came across many discussions about it in some stock investors forums over the last year. Some were even planning how to take advantage of Trump's market manipulation scheme and buy and sell the stocks at the right time 😛
Trump literally posted "THIS IS A GREAT TIME TO BUY" on his Truth Social account once.
I wouldn't bet on it not being as you said above but can also see NotMe's point too..
Its sort of like well he's proven to say something and then reverse it so if people speculate etc and buy or sell then that's just how it is but it could simply be that each time theres a different element then that's keeping his backers happy..
Look into American bitcoin and who bought and sold this week"
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By *l_xxxMan 15 weeks ago
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Is Trump just the visible face of global corruption? He manipulates things purely for money and power. Deny everything, ignore truth with a shrug of "so what ya gonna do about it". The world has got to a point of apathy where corupt people own the money and get more by running countries with fellow politicians taking the pennies and saying oh down with this... then do nothing. Look at the rise of oligarchs since 1989 and what now happens to anyone who questions them. Who was in power when this happened.... oh that guy who now sits next to Trump on his middle East riviera gang. Never mind war, a depression greater than the 1930's will be worse, and with wealth sitting in such few pockets, its not looking good. |
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