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So unusual that I had to comment. Quote from the BBC:
"Shockingly, our “brilliant” NATO Ally, the United Kingdom, is currently planning to give away the Island of Diego Garcia, the site of a vital U.S. Military Base, to Mauritius, and to do so FOR NO REASON WHATSOEVER."
He does go on a bit to spoil it by using this as justification for needing Greenland (although if all his allies act in such a stupid way he may have a point).
UK reaction is just to ignore it and say we are doing the correct thing. Useless - as the world slides towards WW3 we give away strategic bases to countries who have no real claim to them and are aligned with our enemies.
Quite why Trump has only realised we are doing this now I don't know. Maybe it was on the Cartoon Network or wherever he gets his news from. |
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it's the £101 million the deal is going to cost the UK or should I say tax payer a year for the next 99 years .
A cool £10 billion in total for something we own .
Trump is correct on this but not Greenland .
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Last May this deal was fully endorsed by his administration, Rubio praised it as a 'monumental achievement'..
Now the man child has been not gotten his 'I WANT IT NOW, GIVE ME WHAT I DEMAND..NOW!!!' He's lashing out in another tantrum..
Well I'm tiyally shocked..  |
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By *otMe66Man 15 weeks ago
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"Strange that the people who are obsessed about the sovereignty of Greenland don't give a damn about the Chagos Islands.🤷"
There is a quite the difference between Chagos and Greenland.
Trump was in agreement with the deal in 2025 because the US and UK would retain their military bases and presence, even though China and Russia were being used as the reason not to hand back sovereignty. The US have their bases on Greenland, but want to force ownership. If the sticking point is preventing any further Chinese or Russian investments or exploration in the area, why not negotiate on that point rather than stamping feet and creating global unrest.
I regularly challenge people who lose their minds on the most trivial of Trumps rants or promises of, but this is very different from an idol promise or a rant with little substance or impact.
He will back down, he has no choice and that bitter pill is something he can't swallow, which is the reason we are now seeing his ridiculous messages to leaders of nations. He has behaved like a child and deserves the future global distancing that will inevitably follow. I expect once this has been put to bed we will be hearing a lot less Trump nonsense for a period of time. |
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Factually the orange man is totally wrong in what he is ranting about (nothing new there)..
The deal and yes it has its critics (mostly it seems from those who yearn for the days when we could ship people like cattle to where they were best used to our economic gain)
We will all be long dust wgen thus deal concludes and till then its still the same 'magnificent monumental' deal the current American administration welcomed last year..
On that front nothing has changed, except of course Trump has has his enormous yet wafer thin ego pushed against by other Nations who rightly won't kowtow to dictatorial bullies..
Like we proudly and steadfastly have done before.. |
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"Factually the orange man is totally wrong in what he is ranting about (nothing new there)..
The deal and yes it has its critics (mostly it seems from those who yearn for the days when we could ship people like cattle to where they were best used to our economic gain)
We will all be long dust wgen thus deal concludes and till then its still the same 'magnificent monumental' deal the current American administration welcomed last year..
On that front nothing has changed, except of course Trump has has his enormous yet wafer thin ego pushed against by other Nations who rightly won't kowtow to dictatorial bullies..
Like we proudly and steadfastly have done before.."
It's a bad deal. The island should go back to the people that where displaced from it. Not mauritius. |
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By *winga2Man 15 weeks ago
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"And to compound the stupidity the government has just approved the mega Chinese embassy in London.
This government is so dangerous that it is almost comical, if it wasn’t so serious."
Perhaps China is a safer bet than the US ?
I doubt the fat one even knows where the Chagos Islands are 🤪 |
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"And to compound the stupidity the government has just approved the mega Chinese embassy in London.
This government is so dangerous that it is almost comical, if it wasn’t so serious.
Perhaps China is a safer bet than the US ?
I doubt the fat one even knows where the Chagos Islands are 🤪"
Probably thought it was a strip club initially |
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"Factually the orange man is totally wrong in what he is ranting about (nothing new there)..
The deal and yes it has its critics (mostly it seems from those who yearn for the days when we could ship people like cattle to where they were best used to our economic gain)
We will all be long dust wgen thus deal concludes and till then its still the same 'magnificent monumental' deal the current American administration welcomed last year..
On that front nothing has changed, except of course Trump has has his enormous yet wafer thin ego pushed against by other Nations who rightly won't kowtow to dictatorial bullies..
Like we proudly and steadfastly have done before.."
You realise that the Chagos Islanders weren't consulted on the 'deal' and are opposed to it ? |
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"Factually the orange man is totally wrong in what he is ranting about (nothing new there)..
The deal and yes it has its critics (mostly it seems from those who yearn for the days when we could ship people like cattle to where they were best used to our economic gain)
We will all be long dust wgen thus deal concludes and till then its still the same 'magnificent monumental' deal the current American administration welcomed last year..
On that front nothing has changed, except of course Trump has has his enormous yet wafer thin ego pushed against by other Nations who rightly won't kowtow to dictatorial bullies..
Like we proudly and steadfastly have done before..
It's a bad deal. The island should go back to the people that where displaced from it. Not mauritius."
It's a bit of a strange one yes, can only imagine that
Mauritius being the closest Nation have a claim especially since it was ourselves who shipped in the people in the 1800s (who became Chagosians) and lived there till they were evicted in the 70s, .
In an ideal and fair world they would return yes but we dont live in that.. |
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I'm so confused by it all that hardly worth bothering to comment any more on any platform. How on Earth these mentally unstable people have managed to get hold of the strings of power is beyond me.
Perhaps it's my fault along with the other 8.3 billion or so's fault. |
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"Factually the orange man is totally wrong in what he is ranting about (nothing new there)..
The deal and yes it has its critics (mostly it seems from those who yearn for the days when we could ship people like cattle to where they were best used to our economic gain)
We will all be long dust wgen thus deal concludes and till then its still the same 'magnificent monumental' deal the current American administration welcomed last year..
On that front nothing has changed, except of course Trump has has his enormous yet wafer thin ego pushed against by other Nations who rightly won't kowtow to dictatorial bullies..
Like we proudly and steadfastly have done before..
You realise that the Chagos Islanders weren't consulted on the 'deal' and are opposed to it ?"
I've known it for many years yes, my trades union like others were affiliated and donated to their fight for justice..
Ditto they weren't consulted in the period before and during the period that they were removed under both the labour and conservative governments of the day.. |
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"Factually the orange man is totally wrong in what he is ranting about (nothing new there)..
The deal and yes it has its critics (mostly it seems from those who yearn for the days when we could ship people like cattle to where they were best used to our economic gain)
We will all be long dust wgen thus deal concludes and till then its still the same 'magnificent monumental' deal the current American administration welcomed last year..
On that front nothing has changed, except of course Trump has has his enormous yet wafer thin ego pushed against by other Nations who rightly won't kowtow to dictatorial bullies..
Like we proudly and steadfastly have done before..
It's a bad deal. The island should go back to the people that where displaced from it. Not mauritius.
It's a bit of a strange one yes, can only imagine that
Mauritius being the closest Nation have a claim especially since it was ourselves who shipped in the people in the 1800s (who became Chagosians) and lived there till they were evicted in the 70s, .
In an ideal and fair world they would return yes but we dont live in that.."
What would be the barrier to it being done in a ideal and fair way? There is nothing stopping sovereignty being given to the chigoations. Who have made it clear they appose the mauritius deal.. |
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"Factually the orange man is totally wrong in what he is ranting about (nothing new there)...."
Specifically which bits are factually incorrect? If you look past the infantile ranting the gist of the post is unusually sensible. |
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" the Chagos Islanders weren't consulted on the 'deal' and are opposed to it ?"
One can substitute the Chagosians for umpteen indigenous populations globally who also weren't consulted by the invaders to their homeland who brought fatal diseases for some and slaughtered many others by violence and have since then helped themselves to their resources..
Could be a long list of letters of objection or perhaps an opportune thing to say..? |
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"Factually the orange man is totally wrong in what he is ranting about (nothing new there)....
Specifically which bits are factually incorrect? If you look past the infantile ranting the gist of the post is unusually sensible."
Please don't bring facts into this argument (like the US pursuing Greenland since the 1940s or that most people there can't stand Denmark) - there is ranting to be done ! |
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"Factually the orange man is totally wrong in what he is ranting about (nothing new there)..
The deal and yes it has its critics (mostly it seems from those who yearn for the days when we could ship people like cattle to where they were best used to our economic gain)
We will all be long dust wgen thus deal concludes and till then its still the same 'magnificent monumental' deal the current American administration welcomed last year..
On that front nothing has changed, except of course Trump has has his enormous yet wafer thin ego pushed against by other Nations who rightly won't kowtow to dictatorial bullies..
Like we proudly and steadfastly have done before..
It's a bad deal. The island should go back to the people that where displaced from it. Not mauritius.
It's a bit of a strange one yes, can only imagine that
Mauritius being the closest Nation have a claim especially since it was ourselves who shipped in the people in the 1800s (who became Chagosians) and lived there till they were evicted in the 70s, .
In an ideal and fair world they would return yes but we dont live in that..
What would be the barrier to it being done in a ideal and fair way? There is nothing stopping sovereignty being given to the chigoations. Who have made it clear they appose the mauritius deal.. "
I agree, and they are right to do so..
Similar to Tibet etc etc..
But it won't happen, Uncle Sam wanted them for their geopolitical aims and 'we' the UK nodded and did it.. |
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"Factually the orange man is totally wrong in what he is ranting about (nothing new there)....
Specifically which bits are factually incorrect? If you look past the infantile ranting the gist of the post is unusually sensible."
The bit where he ignores the facts he was very ok with last May in that nothing has changed in relation to the status quote of the US and UK military bases..
And won't for 99 years, even if he thinks its 140 years..
Unless he's aware Mauritius are about to invade that is the whole rant is because he's not being bowed down to..
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"Factually the orange man is totally wrong in what he is ranting about (nothing new there)....
Specifically which bits are factually incorrect? If you look past the infantile ranting the gist of the post is unusually sensible.
The bit where he ignores the facts he was very ok with last May in that nothing has changed in relation to the status quote of the US and UK military bases..
And won't for 99 years, even if he thinks its 140 years..
Unless he's aware Mauritius are about to invade that is the whole rant is because he's not being bowed down to..
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So he has changed his mind. If he changes his mind on Greenland will you also think that's a bad thing? |
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"Factually the orange man is totally wrong in what he is ranting about (nothing new there)....
Specifically which bits are factually incorrect? If you look past the infantile ranting the gist of the post is unusually sensible.
The bit where he ignores the facts he was very ok with last May in that nothing has changed in relation to the status quote of the US and UK military bases..
And won't for 99 years, even if he thinks its 140 years..
Unless he's aware Mauritius are about to invade that is the whole rant is because he's not being bowed down to..
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It isn’t the island with the base that is the problem (ignoring the stupid lease payments).
It is the whole surrounding area and islands, which will soon be infested by Chinese monitoring stations.
At the moment we control a large area, soon we’ll only lease a tiny portion of it and be surrounded by enemies. |
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"Factually the orange man is totally wrong in what he is ranting about (nothing new there)....
Specifically which bits are factually incorrect? If you look past the infantile ranting the gist of the post is unusually sensible.
The bit where he ignores the facts he was very ok with last May in that nothing has changed in relation to the status quote of the US and UK military bases..
And won't for 99 years, even if he thinks its 140 years..
Unless he's aware Mauritius are about to invade that is the whole rant is because he's not being bowed down to..
So he has changed his mind. If he changes his mind on Greenland will you also think that's a bad thing?"
Some might say he's lost his mind but however you look at him he has changed his mind many, many times..
He fires from the hip, that is part of the modern politic yes and the two second soundbite culture which appeals to some ..
See Greenland is a bit of a red herring (maybe even a rollmop ), its taken the focus away from Epstein etc but it's also like he's getting obsessed on a single issue upon which his country has the permission to expand its military presence which would of course if he wanted to he could go with if the real reason was security etc..
Or is it to asset strip the island, again I dont think Denmark or the Greenlanders if they were given their independence would be against jointly extracting some of the natural resources in a partnership with some US companies ..
To be honest your question is a fairly obvious one, its a bit like asking if we are happy when the sun shines and its not raining in our summers, which the inevitable answer might be yes and then minutes later not so..
I suppose my happiness might be short lived in relation to anything sensible he says as he will undoubtedly say or do something less so but I will at least think we'll that could be a good thing fir a while..
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"Factually the orange man is totally wrong in what he is ranting about (nothing new there)....
Specifically which bits are factually incorrect? If you look past the infantile ranting the gist of the post is unusually sensible."
Should someone prone to infantile rantings and sending deranged social media messages be allowed to remain in office. If he acts like a spoilt child shouldn't he at least be sent to the naughty step to cool off a bit. |
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"Factually the orange man is totally wrong in what he is ranting about (nothing new there)....
Specifically which bits are factually incorrect? If you look past the infantile ranting the gist of the post is unusually sensible.
The bit where he ignores the facts he was very ok with last May in that nothing has changed in relation to the status quote of the US and UK military bases..
And won't for 99 years, even if he thinks its 140 years..
Unless he's aware Mauritius are about to invade that is the whole rant is because he's not being bowed down to..
It isn’t the island with the base that is the problem (ignoring the stupid lease payments).
It is the whole surrounding area and islands, which will soon be infested by Chinese monitoring stations.
At the moment we control a large area, soon we’ll only lease a tiny portion of it and be surrounded by enemies."
The deal allows the Islanders to return to the adjoining islands i believe..
I don't think China currently has such on the neighbouring islands?
Yes they have close diplomatic ties so that us being used as an excuse to bin the deal but if that's the case why did Trump sign off on it last May..?
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"all this because he hasn't been awarded a nobel prize in any ligitimate way other than poncing one off a failed south american psuedo politician. "
As cringe worthy moments go that was mega cringe, probably the bestest ever ever moment of cringe in the world.. |
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As cringe worthy moments go that was mega cringe, probably the bestest ever ever moment of cringe in the world..
I think you may find that it was the biglyest ever ever moment of cringe in the world... |
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"Trump supporters still clinging onto anything to support him. Especially as they hate their own PM."
There's lots it seems who hate the country, shouting about broken Brittan endlessly..
Reminiscing about the days under the last lot yet ignoring the things they got wrong.. |
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"Trump supporters still clinging onto anything to support him. Especially as they hate their own PM.
There's lots it seems who hate the country, shouting about broken Brittan endlessly..
Reminiscing about the days under the last lot yet ignoring the things they got wrong.."
Like losing an election to this clown show 🤣🤣🤣
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"Trump supporters still clinging onto anything to support him. Especially as they hate their own PM.
There's lots it seems who hate the country, shouting about broken Brittan endlessly..
Reminiscing about the days under the last lot yet ignoring the things they got wrong..
Like losing an election to this clown show 🤣🤣🤣
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Long overdue.. 
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"Trump supporters still clinging onto anything to support him. Especially as they hate their own PM.
There's lots it seems who hate the country, shouting about broken Brittan endlessly..
Reminiscing about the days under the last lot yet ignoring the things they got wrong.."
They didn't like people moaning about the country under the other lot.
Use to read them saying if you don't like this country you can fxxx oxx. |
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"Factually the orange man is totally wrong in what he is ranting about (nothing new there)..
The deal and yes it has its critics (mostly it seems from those who yearn for the days when we could ship people like cattle to where they were best used to our economic gain)
We will all be long dust wgen thus deal concludes and till then its still the same 'magnificent monumental' deal the current American administration welcomed last year..
On that front nothing has changed, except of course Trump has has his enormous yet wafer thin ego pushed against by other Nations who rightly won't kowtow to dictatorial bullies..
Like we proudly and steadfastly have done before..
You realise that the Chagos Islanders weren't consulted on the 'deal' and are opposed to it ?"
I'm not surprised they are opposed to it. The UK is giving the islands to Mauritius who according to what I have seen have never in their history been in charge of or owned the chagos islands. The only link apparently is that the UK used bases in Mauritius to administer Chagos. Also the UK is not under any obligation to hand the islands to anyone. I agree trump has been an idiot over this though the government are also wrong as well |
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"Factually the orange man is totally wrong in what he is ranting about (nothing new there)..
The deal and yes it has its critics (mostly it seems from those who yearn for the days when we could ship people like cattle to where they were best used to our economic gain)
We will all be long dust wgen thus deal concludes and till then its still the same 'magnificent monumental' deal the current American administration welcomed last year..
On that front nothing has changed, except of course Trump has has his enormous yet wafer thin ego pushed against by other Nations who rightly won't kowtow to dictatorial bullies..
Like we proudly and steadfastly have done before..
You realise that the Chagos Islanders weren't consulted on the 'deal' and are opposed to it ?
I'm not surprised they are opposed to it. The UK is giving the islands to Mauritius who according to what I have seen have never in their history been in charge of or owned the chagos islands. The only link apparently is that the UK used bases in Mauritius to administer Chagos. Also the UK is not under any obligation to hand the islands to anyone. I agree trump has been an idiot over this though the government are also wrong as well "
Not just giving, but paying Mauritius billions to take them! 🤦♂️🤦♂️ |
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"Trump supporters still clinging onto anything to support him. Especially as they hate their own PM.
There's lots it seems who hate the country, shouting about broken Brittan endlessly..
Reminiscing about the days under the last lot yet ignoring the things they got wrong..
They didn't like people moaning about the country under the other lot.
Use to read them saying if you don't like this country you can fxxx oxx."
The go to retort of some little ingleders.. |
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"Trump did say 1 thing that I thought was sensible today. The UK are sitting on energy and refusing to use it, creating an issue of huge energy cost rises.
I agree."
Coming from a person who's a massive climate change denier is it a surprise, especially given the amount of funding he's had from 'big oil'?
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"Trump did say 1 thing that I thought was sensible today. The UK are sitting on energy and refusing to use it, creating an issue of huge energy cost rises.
I agree."
"The United Kingdom produces just one third of the total energy from all sources than it did in 1999. They're sitting on top of the North Sea, one of the greatest reserves anywhere in the world. But they don't use it. And that's one reason why their energy has reached catastrophically low levels, with equally high prices."
More sensible and correct than you'll hear from any Labour or Conservative politician. Not bad for a certified lunatic.🤣🤣 |
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By *winga2Man 15 weeks ago
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"Trump did say 1 thing that I thought was sensible today. The UK are sitting on energy and refusing to use it, creating an issue of huge energy cost rises.
I agree.
"The United Kingdom produces just one third of the total energy from all sources than it did in 1999. They're sitting on top of the North Sea, one of the greatest reserves anywhere in the world. But they don't use it. And that's one reason why their energy has reached catastrophically low levels, with equally high prices."
More sensible and correct than you'll hear from any Labour or Conservative politician. Not bad for a certified lunatic.🤣🤣"
The certifiable lunatic is driving down the price of oil and costing his country a fortune.
Strange wat to make America great again 🤷♂️ |
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By *otMe66Man 15 weeks ago
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"Trump did say 1 thing that I thought was sensible today. The UK are sitting on energy and refusing to use it, creating an issue of huge energy cost rises.
I agree.
"The United Kingdom produces just one third of the total energy from all sources than it did in 1999. They're sitting on top of the North Sea, one of the greatest reserves anywhere in the world. But they don't use it. And that's one reason why their energy has reached catastrophically low levels, with equally high prices."
More sensible and correct than you'll hear from any Labour or Conservative politician. Not bad for a certified lunatic.🤣🤣
The certifiable lunatic is driving down the price of oil and costing his country a fortune.
Strange wat to make America great again 🤷♂️"
However the point he made is something that should be taken onboard. We have people struggling to pay their energy bills, we are being taxed to pay those bills for people who can't afford to pay them. We need to realise our assets and not collapse under a moral superiority complex that no others care about. |
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"Factually the orange man is totally wrong in what he is ranting about (nothing new there)..
The deal and yes it has its critics (mostly it seems from those who yearn for the days when we could ship people like cattle to where they were best used to our economic gain)
We will all be long dust wgen thus deal concludes and till then its still the same 'magnificent monumental' deal the current American administration welcomed last year..
On that front nothing has changed, except of course Trump has has his enormous yet wafer thin ego pushed against by other Nations who rightly won't kowtow to dictatorial bullies..
Like we proudly and steadfastly have done before..
You realise that the Chagos Islanders weren't consulted on the 'deal' and are opposed to it ?
I'm not surprised they are opposed to it. The UK is giving the islands to Mauritius who according to what I have seen have never in their history been in charge of or owned the chagos islands. The only link apparently is that the UK used bases in Mauritius to administer Chagos. Also the UK is not under any obligation to hand the islands to anyone. I agree trump has been an idiot over this though the government are also wrong as well "
Exactly and not only that not all the Chagosians came to the UK. A lot went to Mauritius where they have been treated terribly.. |
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"Trump did say 1 thing that I thought was sensible today. The UK are sitting on energy and refusing to use it, creating an issue of huge energy cost rises.
I agree.
"The United Kingdom produces just one third of the total energy from all sources than it did in 1999. They're sitting on top of the North Sea, one of the greatest reserves anywhere in the world. But they don't use it. And that's one reason why their energy has reached catastrophically low levels, with equally high prices."
More sensible and correct than you'll hear from any Labour or Conservative politician. Not bad for a certified lunatic.🤣🤣
The certifiable lunatic is driving down the price of oil and costing his country a fortune.
Strange wat to make America great again 🤷♂️
However the point he made is something that should be taken onboard. We have people struggling to pay their energy bills, we are being taxed to pay those bills for people who can't afford to pay them. We need to realise our assets and not collapse under a moral superiority complex that no others care about. "
Regardless of people opinions on climate change,if we are importing oil from the other side of the globe, it makes absolutely no sense not to mine more oil from the North sea... |
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"Trump did say 1 thing that I thought was sensible today. The UK are sitting on energy and refusing to use it, creating an issue of huge energy cost rises.
I agree.
"The United Kingdom produces just one third of the total energy from all sources than it did in 1999. They're sitting on top of the North Sea, one of the greatest reserves anywhere in the world. But they don't use it. And that's one reason why their energy has reached catastrophically low levels, with equally high prices."
More sensible and correct than you'll hear from any Labour or Conservative politician. Not bad for a certified lunatic.🤣🤣"
Don't know where you get one of the greatest oil reserves in the world.
Just checked we are 32 om the list, behind countries like Vietnam and Angola.
Maybe catching Trump's tendencies to hyperbole, perhaps. |
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"However the point he made is something that should be taken onboard. We have people struggling to pay their energy bills, we are being taxed to pay those bills for people who can't afford to pay them. We need to realise our assets and not collapse under a moral superiority complex that no others care about. "
I really don't understand this obsession to bring the cost of energy bills down. Covid very clearly demonstrated to the energy companies that people will pay more.
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Public energy companies operate under fiduciary duty to maximise shareholder value.
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Demand is inelastic, because energy isn’t optional. Unlike luxury goods, people can’t “opt out” of heating, electricity, transport, or food production.
So price elasticity is structurally limited — people absorb increases rather than stop consuming.
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Once people adapt to:
£3+ per litre fuel
£3,000+ annual energy bills
standing charges rising
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The baseline resets.
Even when prices fall, they fall to a higher floor than before.
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COVID impacted supply chains
Ukraine impacted gas
Climate transition impacted infrastructure costs
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Energy companies now have a permanent justification framework of "“External forces require higher prices”
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This makes increases politically survivable and maximises shareholder returns.
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Energy prices are not coming down any time soon because of the inelasticity of the market. The baseline is now higher.
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Sure, there are things which threaten that inelasticity, such as greater wind and solar adoption. However, various vested interests are not too happy about losing their ongoing cash cows to a field of solar panels.
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