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What should the king do about Andrew?
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Let's please not get into anti monarchy rants, if you wish to rant about it start your own thread.
This is about What should happen with Andrew and what should the king do and say?
They've obviously known this privileged toff was a wrong un and he's clearly been protected, but there's no hiding his foul deeds now he's had his titles removed and is sluming it in a million pound property  .
Personally I think police investigation.
Completely cut off form the royal family and made to make his own way get a job and so on🤣 I laugh because, can you even imagine it?
Aside from his very disgusting sexual activities could his disclosure of documents be classified as treason??
If so throw him in the tower of London.
But I think it's time the King came out and became an actual leader rather than just a figurehead. |
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The King cannot commission a criminal investigation.
He can only cooperate.
The King can only refuse to house his brother and decline to give him funds from his own pocket.
It's all to do with the changes that evolved in the past 300 years following the Glorious Revolution.
The monarch no longer holds power, just some ceremonial influence.
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By *edhead72Man 11 weeks ago
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"The King cannot commission a criminal investigation.
He can only cooperate.
The King can only refuse to house his brother and decline to give him funds from his own pocket.
It's all to do with the changes that evolved in the past 300 years following the Glorious Revolution.
The monarch no longer holds power, just some ceremonial influence.
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As may be but he does get a weekly sit down with the PM to discuss all the issues of the day and of course taxation and the crown…
That’s a lot of influence |
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By (user no longer on site) 11 weeks ago
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"The King cannot commission a criminal investigation.
He can only cooperate.
The King can only refuse to house his brother and decline to give him funds from his own pocket.
It's all to do with the changes that evolved in the past 300 years following the Glorious Revolution.
The monarch no longer holds power, just some ceremonial influence.
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This 👆🏻 |
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By (user no longer on site) 11 weeks ago
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Personally I don’t give a shit about what he gets up to however,
From what I believe Andrew has not broken the law. His only offence like many business persons the world over is he got financial advice from Epstein that led to a personal friendship.
When Epstein was arrested Andrew should have stepped back however, he stuck by his pal.
Andrew and Sarah gained quite a bit financially through their relationship to Epstein as did many others who will come out of the woodwork if this fiasco continues.
As for his sexual deviances OP you are on a swinging site you have a cheek to judge. The only person to come forward and actually accuse Andrew was of legal age and the sex was consensual.
As a parent and grandparent I would be more worried about how my 17year old was travelling all over the world when she should have still been at High School in the USA preparing for her graduation.
No crime has been committed by either Andrew or Sarah, only Epstein and Maxwell broke the law by trafficking women around the world. Epstein did time for engaging with a minor
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By (user no longer on site) 11 weeks ago
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There is nothing further the King can do.
Stripping him of his titles and his home is legally all he can do. The fact he hasn’t committed a crime could actually give Andrew mitigation against his brother in a court of law
What happened to innocent until proven guilty guilty |
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My opinion is that CR3 thought he knew the full extent of Andrew's activities and hoped that stripping him of his titles, moving him out of his home and effectively cutting him off from family would satisfy the public and quieten rumour. Add to that Queen Camilla being vocal about domestic abuse etc and supporting charities connected with it and the others in the family consistently vocalising their concern for the 'victims' I think they've done pretty much all they can.
*If* concrete actual evidence comes to light I think whichever monarch is on the throne at the time should encourage his brother or uncle to cooperate with any police enquiry but I think Charlie has done all he can to impose sanctions as a form of leverage at the moment |
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By (user no longer on site) 11 weeks ago
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"Andrew has never been charged, if there is sufficient evidence he should be.
Otherwise what's he done different to trump and probably dozens if not hundreds of others "
He remained close to Epstein after his first conviction, as did Mandelson. Despite the best efforts of conspiracy theorists, the evidence shows that Trump cut contact before then. |
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"What should the king do about himself is maybe more appropriate question.
How many years has he been covering this up ?
Quite a lot I would suggest so isn’t he accountable also ? "
We don't know how much he knew. His mum on the other hand was willing to pay a substantial sum to a woman her son had never met. |
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"What should the king do about himself is maybe more appropriate question.
How many years has he been covering this up ?
Quite a lot I would suggest so isn’t he accountable also ?
We don't know how much he knew. His mum on the other hand was willing to pay a substantial sum to a woman her son had never met."
Substantial to the woman and probably most people who use this site. But by her standards it was like £5 to us. |
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"What should the king do about himself is maybe more appropriate question.
How many years has he been covering this up ?
Quite a lot I would suggest so isn’t he accountable also ?
We don't know how much he knew. His mum on the other hand was willing to pay a substantial sum to a woman her son had never met.
Substantial to the woman and probably most people who use this site. But by her standards it was like £5 to us. "
It's not the amount but the fact that it was paid at all and to somebody Andrew had no recollection of meeting...apparently |
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"Errrr...... bannish him to the Falklands.
Haven't they suffered enough? Also what about the poor penguins?
Are you saying he might try it on with a penguin 🐧 🤔 "
If he can get the silver paper off then yes. |
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"What should the king do about himself is maybe more appropriate question.
How many years has he been covering this up ?
Quite a lot I would suggest so isn’t he accountable also ?
We don't know how much he knew. His mum on the other hand was willing to pay a substantial sum to a woman her son had never met."
Didn't trump get his people to do something very similar?
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"What should the king do about himself is maybe more appropriate question.
How many years has he been covering this up ?
Quite a lot I would suggest so isn’t he accountable also ?
We don't know how much he knew. His mum on the other hand was willing to pay a substantial sum to a woman her son had never met.
Didn't trump get his people to do something very similar?
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God knows it's a huge, tangled web of intrigue and deceit |
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Charles needs to cut him loose once and for all. Take the house on the Sandringham estate away, don't give him anywhere else, cut all ties to him completely and make him fend for himself.
And remove his 8th inline to the throne as well. |
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By *ertwoCouple 11 weeks ago
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I am not responsible for my families actions like wise the king is not responsible for Andrew. Now the real question that needs answered is why the Liebour party are still covering things up. It for them to make decisions regarding the application of laws in the UK. Personally id say send Andrew over to the USA in a swap for the CIA woman that killed a young lad on our roads and ran away. |
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By (user no longer on site) 11 weeks ago
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Starmer seems to have a lot to say about Andrew but predictably silent on the grooming gangs we now know have been operating in London, and were denied by his mayor. |
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By *otMe66Man 11 weeks ago
Terra Firma |
"Devils advocate
What's Andrew guilty of exactly ?"
He hasn't been proven to be guilty of anything yet.
The likelihood he would be found guilty of having sex with a 17 year old who was being trafficked by Epstein is high, I would think.
I believe that is why there is so much anger and frustration surrounding this, it is felt his position afforded him protection from prison. |
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"He hasn't been proven to be guilty of anything yet.
The likelihood he would be found guilty of having sex with a 17 year old who was being trafficked by Epstein is high, I would think."
In the USA perhaps. In the UK, having sex with a 17 year old is entirely legal (if you aren't in a guardianship position).
There's no evidence that she was taken anywhere against her will, so a charge of "trafficking" wouldn't stand up in a UK court. |
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By *winga2Man 11 weeks ago
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"Devils advocate
What's Andrew guilty of exactly ?
He hasn't been proven to be guilty of anything yet.
The likelihood he would be found guilty of having sex with a 17 year old who was being trafficked by Epstein is high, I would think.
I believe that is why there is so much anger and frustration surrounding this, it is felt his position afforded him protection from prison."
So it's fine to ostrisize him on the basis of it's likely he's guilty something ?
Because he's a rich, entitled prick he doesn't have the same basic human rights as the rest of the population ?
I thought dunking witches finished years ago. |
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"Devils advocate
What's Andrew guilty of exactly ?
He hasn't been proven to be guilty of anything yet.
The likelihood he would be found guilty of having sex with a 17 year old who was being trafficked by Epstein is high, I would think.
I believe that is why there is so much anger and frustration surrounding this, it is felt his position afforded him protection from prison.
So it's fine to ostrisize him on the basis of it's likely he's guilty something ?
Because he's a rich, entitled prick he doesn't have the same basic human rights as the rest of the population ?
I thought dunking witches finished years ago."
Presumably you feel the same about President Trump, who cut contact with Epstein well before Andrew Windsor ? |
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By *abioMan 11 weeks ago
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Well now he has been arrested for misconduct in public office the Epstein allegations are going to need to be put to one side for fear of any contempt order
But they think they probably have enough evidence to suggest that he at least shared information with regards to British national policy that he should not have likely with Epstein….
In which case I would expect the same charges to be laid at lord mandelson as well… |
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"Well now he has been arrested for misconduct in public office the Epstein allegations are going to need to be put to one side for fear of any contempt order
But they think they probably have enough evidence to suggest that he at least shared information with regards to British national policy that he should not have likely with Epstein….
In which case I would expect the same charges to be laid at lord mandelson as well…"
Very odd this hasn't happened to Mandy already when the email evidence is so clear.🤔 |
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By *otMe66Man 11 weeks ago
Terra Firma |
"Devils advocate
What's Andrew guilty of exactly ?
He hasn't been proven to be guilty of anything yet.
The likelihood he would be found guilty of having sex with a 17 year old who was being trafficked by Epstein is high, I would think.
I believe that is why there is so much anger and frustration surrounding this, it is felt his position afforded him protection from prison.
So it's fine to ostrisize him on the basis of it's likely he's guilty something ?
Because he's a rich, entitled prick he doesn't have the same basic human rights as the rest of the population ?
I thought dunking witches finished years ago."
I think you are missing the point of why people feel angry about this.
He has avoided until now the legal fallout of his actions that are becoming more and more likely to be true.
We shouldn't lose sight of the fact that Epstein was convicted of trafficking minors for sex, the fingers pointing at Andrew are calling out the fact that he was part of the same group.
Think of it from the view of the victims, not Andrew. |
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By *abioMan 11 weeks ago
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"Well now he has been arrested for misconduct in public office the Epstein allegations are going to need to be put to one side for fear of any contempt order
But they think they probably have enough evidence to suggest that he at least shared information with regards to British national policy that he should not have likely with Epstein….
In which case I would expect the same charges to be laid at lord mandelson as well…
Very odd this hasn't happened to Mandy already when the email evidence is so clear.🤔"
My best guess is that they are probably investigating both at the same time as to not tip off folks in case they try and destroy potential evidence
I “think” they are going to alleged Andrew gave Epstein information that could have then been used to make business decisions… insider trading |
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By *winga2Man 11 weeks ago
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"Devils advocate
What's Andrew guilty of exactly ?
He hasn't been proven to be guilty of anything yet.
The likelihood he would be found guilty of having sex with a 17 year old who was being trafficked by Epstein is high, I would think.
I believe that is why there is so much anger and frustration surrounding this, it is felt his position afforded him protection from prison.
So it's fine to ostrisize him on the basis of it's likely he's guilty something ?
Because he's a rich, entitled prick he doesn't have the same basic human rights as the rest of the population ?
I thought dunking witches finished years ago.
I think you are missing the point of why people feel angry about this.
He has avoided until now the legal fallout of his actions that are becoming more and more likely to be true.
We shouldn't lose sight of the fact that Epstein was convicted of trafficking minors for sex, the fingers pointing at Andrew are calling out the fact that he was part of the same group.
Think of it from the view of the victims, not Andrew."
Again devil's advocate
Him and hundreds of not thousands of others were linked including Trump
Trump has been accused by 28 women of sexual misconduct.
Andrew one is it ? |
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By *og-ManMan 11 weeks ago
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"Devils advocate
What's Andrew guilty of exactly ?
He hasn't been proven to be guilty of anything yet.
The likelihood he would be found guilty of having sex with a 17 year old who was being trafficked by Epstein is high, I would think.
I believe that is why there is so much anger and frustration surrounding this, it is felt his position afforded him protection from prison.
So it's fine to ostrisize him on the basis of it's likely he's guilty something ?
Because he's a rich, entitled prick he doesn't have the same basic human rights as the rest of the population ?
I thought dunking witches finished years ago.
I think you are missing the point of why people feel angry about this.
He has avoided until now the legal fallout of his actions that are becoming more and more likely to be true.
We shouldn't lose sight of the fact that Epstein was convicted of trafficking minors for sex, the fingers pointing at Andrew are calling out the fact that he was part of the same group.
Think of it from the view of the victims, not Andrew.
Again devil's advocate
Him and hundreds of not thousands of others were linked including Trump
Trump has been accused by 28 women of sexual misconduct.
Andrew one is it ?"
One is all that's needed to make the accusation and for him to be found guilty or not guilty
Hes guilty in the publics eye and his mother must have thought the same |
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"Devils advocate
What's Andrew guilty of exactly ?
He hasn't been proven to be guilty of anything yet.
The likelihood he would be found guilty of having sex with a 17 year old who was being trafficked by Epstein is high, I would think.
I believe that is why there is so much anger and frustration surrounding this, it is felt his position afforded him protection from prison.
So it's fine to ostrisize him on the basis of it's likely he's guilty something ?
Because he's a rich, entitled prick he doesn't have the same basic human rights as the rest of the population ?
I thought dunking witches finished years ago.
I think you are missing the point of why people feel angry about this.
He has avoided until now the legal fallout of his actions that are becoming more and more likely to be true.
We shouldn't lose sight of the fact that Epstein was convicted of trafficking minors for sex, the fingers pointing at Andrew are calling out the fact that he was part of the same group.
Think of it from the view of the victims, not Andrew.
Again devil's advocate
Him and hundreds of not thousands of others were linked including Trump
Trump has been accused by 28 women of sexual misconduct.
Andrew one is it ?"
If you lower your union jack from half mast you can dry your eyes properly
This should have happened over a decade ago |
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By *winga2Man 11 weeks ago
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"Devils advocate
What's Andrew guilty of exactly ?
He hasn't been proven to be guilty of anything yet.
The likelihood he would be found guilty of having sex with a 17 year old who was being trafficked by Epstein is high, I would think.
I believe that is why there is so much anger and frustration surrounding this, it is felt his position afforded him protection from prison.
So it's fine to ostrisize him on the basis of it's likely he's guilty something ?
Because he's a rich, entitled prick he doesn't have the same basic human rights as the rest of the population ?
I thought dunking witches finished years ago.
I think you are missing the point of why people feel angry about this.
He has avoided until now the legal fallout of his actions that are becoming more and more likely to be true.
We shouldn't lose sight of the fact that Epstein was convicted of trafficking minors for sex, the fingers pointing at Andrew are calling out the fact that he was part of the same group.
Think of it from the view of the victims, not Andrew.
Again devil's advocate
Him and hundreds of not thousands of others were linked including Trump
Trump has been accused by 28 women of sexual misconduct.
Andrew one is it ?
If you lower your union jack from half mast you can dry your eyes properly
This should have happened over a decade ago "
It should have it it didn't.
No evidence ?
Btw personal insults aren't allowed here |
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By *winga2Man 11 weeks ago
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If he's found guilty of being a pedo I hope he rots in a cell for the rest of his life.
Until then he's actually an innocent man, is the questionimg related to information rather than sex though ? |
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By *og-ManMan 11 weeks ago
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"Hes guilty in the publics eye and his mother must have thought the same
His mother just wanted the sordid headlines to go away since it was her diamond jubilee year."
Yes but if she had allowed the case to go forward then this would have been put to bed years ago
I think he's guilty but would imagine his lawyers will drag it out for years and years as they are allowed to.
I also think the family knew as did the police protection officers
Massive cover up
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"If he's found guilty of being a pedo I hope he rots in a cell for the rest of his life.
Until then he's actually an innocent man, is the questionimg related to information rather than sex though ?"
Yes off course he's an innocent man just now.However theres a huge amount of evidence against him related to his time working for the government.
Mass corruption for his own gain. As for the Epstein thing same goes masses of evidence to say he needs questioning at least
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"Hes guilty in the publics eye and his mother must have thought the same"
"His mother just wanted the sordid headlines to go away since it was her diamond jubilee year."
"Yes but if she had allowed the case to go forward then this would have been put to bed years ago"
I agree, it would have been the better plan in the long term. But the news headlines throughout the diamond jubilee year would have been all about Andrew, which is not what QEII wanted. She knew that she wasn't a well woman, and didn't have time for a long term solution.
"I think he's guilty but would imagine his lawyers will drag it out for years and years as they are allowed to."
In the case of Virginia Giuffre, what do you think he is guilty of? |
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"If he's found guilty of being a pedo I hope he rots in a cell for the rest of his life.
Until then he's actually an innocent man, is the questionimg related to information rather than sex though ?"
If there is any justice a pedo(sic) should rot from foot fungus! |
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"If he's found guilty of being a pedo I hope he rots in a cell for the rest of his life.
Until then he's actually an innocent man, is the questionimg related to information rather than sex though ?
If there is any justice a pedo(sic) should rot from foot fungus!"
Penis rot maybe but I doubt he has much use for one these days anyway 😁 |
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By *og-ManMan 11 weeks ago
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"Hes guilty in the publics eye and his mother must have thought the same
His mother just wanted the sordid headlines to go away since it was her diamond jubilee year.
Yes but if she had allowed the case to go forward then this would have been put to bed years ago
I agree, it would have been the better plan in the long term. But the news headlines throughout the diamond jubilee year would have been all about Andrew, which is not what QEII wanted. She knew that she wasn't a well woman, and didn't have time for a long term solution.
I think he's guilty but would imagine his lawyers will drag it out for years and years as they are allowed to.
In the case of Virginia Giuffre, what do you think he is guilty of?"
I think he's guilty of corruption by passing on information so himself and his wife got paid by Epstein
I also think he's guilty of abusing and r*ping young women |
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"If he's found guilty of being a pedo I hope he rots in a cell for the rest of his life.
Until then he's actually an innocent man, is the questionimg related to information rather than sex though ?"
"If there is any justice a pedo(sic) should rot from foot fungus!"
I see what you've done there. |
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"Hes guilty in the publics eye and his mother must have thought the same
His mother just wanted the sordid headlines to go away since it was her diamond jubilee year.
Yes but if she had allowed the case to go forward then this would have been put to bed years ago
I agree, it would have been the better plan in the long term. But the news headlines throughout the diamond jubilee year would have been all about Andrew, which is not what QEII wanted. She knew that she wasn't a well woman, and didn't have time for a long term solution.
I think he's guilty but would imagine his lawyers will drag it out for years and years as they are allowed to.
In the case of Virginia Giuffre, what do you think he is guilty of?
I think he's guilty of corruption by passing on information so himself and his wife got paid by Epstein
I also think he's guilty of abusing and r*ping young women "
Fortunately for us all we can't be convicted of a crime just because someone thinks we did it |
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Fortunately for us all we can't be convicted of a crime just because someone thinks we did it "
This..
Its such a fundamentally simple issue and why anyone might think it's acceptable 'just because' of whatever is beyond me.. |
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By *og-ManMan 11 weeks ago
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"Hes guilty in the publics eye and his mother must have thought the same
His mother just wanted the sordid headlines to go away since it was her diamond jubilee year.
Yes but if she had allowed the case to go forward then this would have been put to bed years ago
I agree, it would have been the better plan in the long term. But the news headlines throughout the diamond jubilee year would have been all about Andrew, which is not what QEII wanted. She knew that she wasn't a well woman, and didn't have time for a long term solution.
I think he's guilty but would imagine his lawyers will drag it out for years and years as they are allowed to.
In the case of Virginia Giuffre, what do you think he is guilty of?
I think he's guilty of corruption by passing on information so himself and his wife got paid by Epstein
I also think he's guilty of abusing and r*ping young women
Fortunately for us all we can't be convicted of a crime just because someone thinks we did it "
True but public opinion will always follow him around like a bad smell
Just like Michael Jackson who was never found guilty of anything from what I remember |
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"Bet he's sweating now "
It's right that he's finally going through the legal process, to face scrutiny of what he did.
He should be shipped to the USA, to face full scrutiny of his broader engagement with Epstein and Maxwell
And the royal family should be completely honest and open, about what they have known upon Andrew and when. They are on our payroll |
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By *og-ManMan 11 weeks ago
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By the way Im Irish and the royal family have nothing to do with me so Im not mocking them as thats not what the thread is for
However in Ireland we also had the untouchables ruling over us ....the Catholic priests who destroyed lives and were moved around by the bishops to make sure they never lost their power
Those of us personally effected can see very similar traits between Andrew and the priests |
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"By the way Im Irish and the royal family have nothing to do with me so Im not mocking them as thats not what the thread is for
However in Ireland we also had the untouchables ruling over us ....the Catholic priests who destroyed lives and were moved around by the bishops to make sure they never lost their power
Those of us personally effected can see very similar traits between Andrew and the priests "
Absolutely ,he lied so much and thought because of his title he would get away with his behavior.
William seems to want him gone ,and far away from the monarchy.Its time for a proper investigation. |
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By *otMe66Man 11 weeks ago
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"He hasn't been proven to be guilty of anything yet.
The likelihood he would be found guilty of having sex with a 17 year old who was being trafficked by Epstein is high, I would think.
In the USA perhaps. In the UK, having sex with a 17 year old is entirely legal (if you aren't in a guardianship position).
There's no evidence that she was taken anywhere against her will, so a charge of "trafficking" wouldn't stand up in a UK court."
My understanding is him knowing or being reasonably aware that Epstein provided minors who he was trafficking to his "best friends" is a charge in New York.
US law is minefield for me, I think the civil case against him was brought due to the statute of limitations.
If Andrew had been arrested along side the other 2, would he have been given the same treatment? |
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By *orny PTMan 11 weeks ago
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"The King cannot commission a criminal investigation.
He can only cooperate.
The King can only refuse to house his brother and decline to give him funds from his own pocket.
It's all to do with the changes that evolved in the past 300 years following the Glorious Revolution.
The monarch no longer holds power, just some ceremonial influence.
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What about the power to dissolve parliament? |
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By *haft10Man 11 weeks ago
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Nothing is going to happen, the arrest feels more theatrical than consequential. At 66, it’s easy for things to be quietly swept aside. What is the worst that can happen? That’s like the police investigating the King, every system has a hierarchy. Realistically, the most that might happen is public shaming, that's it. |
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By *haft10Man 11 weeks ago
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"The King cannot commission a criminal investigation.
He can only cooperate.
The King can only refuse to house his brother and decline to give him funds from his own pocket.
It's all to do with the changes that evolved in the past 300 years following the Glorious Revolution.
The monarch no longer holds power, just some ceremonial influence.
What about the power to dissolve parliament?"
Exactly this... The king is literally printed on the money. |
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"The King cannot commission a criminal investigation.
He can only cooperate.
The King can only refuse to house his brother and decline to give him funds from his own pocket.
It's all to do with the changes that evolved in the past 300 years following the Glorious Revolution.
The monarch no longer holds power, just some ceremonial influence.
What about the power to dissolve parliament?"
A largely ceremonial power and under advice from the prime minister |
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