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"US also joined in." Yes, Trump is broadcasting right now, stating they have jointly struck with Israel and they intend to deplete all ballistic missiles I believe Iran will retaliate massively in next few hours | |||
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"If Trump and Israel are seriously looking to topple the Iranian regime it will require more than ground to air ordnance to take out the revolutionary guard.. " Iran have vastly increased revolutionary guard and mass deployment on irans border This is going to get far worse before it gets better I hope no UK personnel are in Iran right now | |||
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"If Trump and Israel are seriously looking to topple the Iranian regime it will require more than ground to air ordnance to take out the revolutionary guard.. Iran have vastly increased revolutionary guard and mass deployment on irans border This is going to get far worse before it gets better I hope no UK personnel are in Iran right now " "This is going to get far worse before it gets better" Same was said about Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Lybia etc. Investing in companies that build weapons is morally wrong, no? I get it, war is profitable. That's why there's so much around the world. How long until it arrives here? | |||
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"If Trump and Israel are seriously looking to topple the Iranian regime it will require more than ground to air ordnance to take out the revolutionary guard.. " They have apparently brought in their F22’s so it may be more than just shock and awe.. Apparently they asked the uk if they could use their bases here and in Cyprus to launch operations… UK said no Also the Middle East countries with us bases have said they can’t use weapons based there or their airspace There is a bit of irony in that Israel have kinda proved Irans point about not wanting to their own ballistic missiles when Israel attack them first…. There is no such thing as a preemptive defensive strike | |||
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"If Trump and Israel are seriously looking to topple the Iranian regime it will require more than ground to air ordnance to take out the revolutionary guard.. Iran have vastly increased revolutionary guard and mass deployment on irans border This is going to get far worse before it gets better I hope no UK personnel are in Iran right now " They have since last years strikes yes, mostly to stop people leaving.. | |||
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"If Trump and Israel are seriously looking to topple the Iranian regime it will require more than ground to air ordnance to take out the revolutionary guard.. They have apparently brought in their F22’s so it may be more than just shock and awe.. Apparently they asked the uk if they could use their bases here and in Cyprus to launch operations… UK said no Also the Middle East countries with us bases have said they can’t use weapons based there or their airspace There is a bit of irony in that Israel have kinda proved Irans point about not wanting to their own ballistic missiles when Israel attack them first…. There is no such thing as a preemptive defensive strike " Typical Starmer cowardice, probably thought appeasement would win him the by election 🙄 | |||
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"If Trump and Israel are seriously looking to topple the Iranian regime it will require more than ground to air ordnance to take out the revolutionary guard.. They have apparently brought in their F22’s so it may be more than just shock and awe.. Apparently they asked the uk if they could use their bases here and in Cyprus to launch operations… UK said no Also the Middle East countries with us bases have said they can’t use weapons based there or their airspace There is a bit of irony in that Israel have kinda proved Irans point about not wanting to their own ballistic missiles when Israel attack them first…. There is no such thing as a preemptive defensive strike " Starmer may well review that if it escalates, my point is that regime change doesn't come from the air .. | |||
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"If Trump and Israel are seriously looking to topple the Iranian regime it will require more than ground to air ordnance to take out the revolutionary guard.. They have apparently brought in their F22’s so it may be more than just shock and awe.. Apparently they asked the uk if they could use their bases here and in Cyprus to launch operations… UK said no Also the Middle East countries with us bases have said they can’t use weapons based there or their airspace There is a bit of irony in that Israel have kinda proved Irans point about not wanting to their own ballistic missiles when Israel attack them first…. There is no such thing as a preemptive defensive strike Typical Starmer cowardice, probably thought appeasement would win him the by election 🙄 " He can't win. You would call him a coward either way. | |||
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"If Trump and Israel are seriously looking to topple the Iranian regime it will require more than ground to air ordnance to take out the revolutionary guard.. They have apparently brought in their F22’s so it may be more than just shock and awe.. Apparently they asked the uk if they could use their bases here and in Cyprus to launch operations… UK said no Also the Middle East countries with us bases have said they can’t use weapons based there or their airspace There is a bit of irony in that Israel have kinda proved Irans point about not wanting to their own ballistic missiles when Israel attack them first…. There is no such thing as a preemptive defensive strike Typical Starmer cowardice, probably thought appeasement would win him the by election 🙄 He can't win. You would call him a coward either way. " That is true 🤣🤣🤣 | |||
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"If Trump and Israel are seriously looking to topple the Iranian regime it will require more than ground to air ordnance to take out the revolutionary guard.. They have apparently brought in their F22’s so it may be more than just shock and awe.. Apparently they asked the uk if they could use their bases here and in Cyprus to launch operations… UK said no Also the Middle East countries with us bases have said they can’t use weapons based there or their airspace There is a bit of irony in that Israel have kinda proved Irans point about not wanting to their own ballistic missiles when Israel attack them first…. There is no such thing as a preemptive defensive strike Typical Starmer cowardice, probably thought appeasement would win him the by election 🙄 " International law..? It still has to mean something even in the face of a US President who thinks it doesn't apply to him as well as some of the dictators globally who also ignore it.. | |||
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"About time , Iran is Torturing and killing its own young people in the tens of thousands , Are Undemocratic and will one day have a dangerous nuclear capability . The time for appeasement is over .. " The US started this mess, with the CIA/MI6 getting rid of Mosseddgh. | |||
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"This is going to be big, very big. Watch our shares rise, if you're looking for good investments try some of these. Lockheed Martin (LMT): Major U.S. defense contractor, high YTD return in early 2026. BAE Systems (BA.): Top UK defense company with significant global programs. Rheinmetall (RHM): German manufacturer, heavily involved in supplying ammunition and armored vehicles. RTX Corporation (RTX): Formerly Raytheon, a key player in missiles and defense tech. Northrop Grumman (NOC): Focuses on aerospace and defense systems. General Dynamics (GD): Known for combat vehicles and submarines. Leonardo (LDO): Italian aerospace and defense company. Thales (HO): French company focused on aerospace, defense, and security. Saab (SAAB B): Swedish defense company benefiting from European security spending. " Yeah | |||
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"This is going to be big, very big. Watch our shares rise, if you're looking for good investments try some of these. Lockheed Martin (LMT): Major U.S. defense contractor, high YTD return in early 2026. BAE Systems (BA.): Top UK defense company with significant global programs. Rheinmetall (RHM): German manufacturer, heavily involved in supplying ammunition and armored vehicles. RTX Corporation (RTX): Formerly Raytheon, a key player in missiles and defense tech. Northrop Grumman (NOC): Focuses on aerospace and defense systems. General Dynamics (GD): Known for combat vehicles and submarines. Leonardo (LDO): Italian aerospace and defense company. Thales (HO): French company focused on aerospace, defense, and security. Saab (SAAB B): Swedish defense company benefiting from European security spending. Yeah At least 50000 Iranians killed by their own Islamic regime. I posted many times about this and hardly anyone responded. Of course now the US is involved we'll see comment after comment attacking them. Thankfully the threads are still there to show the truth. | |||
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"Someone might correct me, but didn’t one of the Ayatollah’s issue a Fatwa against Nuclear Weapons?" They are well known for their honesty and integrity, the Mad Mullahs 😅 | |||
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"Someone might correct me, but didn’t one of the Ayatollah’s issue a Fatwa against Nuclear Weapons? They are well known for their honesty and integrity, the Mad Mullahs 😅" Similar to the Americans in that respect? | |||
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"Someone might correct me, but didn’t one of the Ayatollah’s issue a Fatwa against Nuclear Weapons? They are well known for their honesty and integrity, the Mad Mullahs 😅 Similar to the Americans in that respect?" I believe America is a democracy while Iran is an Islamic Theocracy so not really. | |||
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"The current regime exists because of the US assassinating Iran's leader decades ago and installing a puppet. The US wants Iran's resources, same as with other invasions. This also helps Israel expand its territory. The plan for greater Israel. The US can veto any sanctions from the UN. International law doesn't apply to them or any of the founding members. There's bad people on all sides of this." I knew Israel would be to blame somehow.🤣 | |||
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"Someone might correct me, but didn’t one of the Ayatollah’s issue a Fatwa against Nuclear Weapons? They are well known for their honesty and integrity, the Mad Mullahs 😅 Similar to the Americans in that respect? I believe America is a democracy while Iran is an Islamic Theocracy so not really." USA is officially classified as a ‘flawed democracy’ - interesting fact, that. | |||
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"Someone might correct me, but didn’t one of the Ayatollah’s issue a Fatwa against Nuclear Weapons? They are well known for their honesty and integrity, the Mad Mullahs 😅 Similar to the Americans in that respect? I believe America is a democracy while Iran is an Islamic Theocracy so not really. USA is officially classified as a ‘flawed democracy’ - interesting fact, that. " So not an Islamic Theocracy then | |||
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"Someone might correct me, but didn’t one of the Ayatollah’s issue a Fatwa against Nuclear Weapons? They are well known for their honesty and integrity, the Mad Mullahs 😅 Similar to the Americans in that respect? I believe America is a democracy while Iran is an Islamic Theocracy so not really. USA is officially classified as a ‘flawed democracy’ - interesting fact, that. So not an Islamic Theocracy then I don’t believe I said it was inferior to Iran, did I? Mayhap if the USA stopped attempting regime change in other nations a couple of times every generation they’d climb the rankings a little. | |||
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"Someone might correct me, but didn’t one of the Ayatollah’s issue a Fatwa against Nuclear Weapons? They are well known for their honesty and integrity, the Mad Mullahs 😅 Similar to the Americans in that respect? I believe America is a democracy while Iran is an Islamic Theocracy so not really." I questioned the Americans honesty and respect, not their style of government | |||
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"‘Israel strikes’. Read also US strikes. Two cheeks of the same arse. All connected. This is a mass distraction for Trump. Nothing more. Look away from the files. The truth must be getting close…" I can almost taste it ! | |||
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"‘Israel strikes’. Read also US strikes. Two cheeks of the same arse. All connected. This is a mass distraction for Trump. Nothing more. Look away from the files. The truth must be getting close…" Interesting this happened directly after Hillary C ,called for Trumpton to testify under oath. | |||
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"‘Israel strikes’. Read also US strikes. Two cheeks of the same arse. All connected. This is a mass distraction for Trump. Nothing more. Look away from the files. The truth must be getting close…" Every time a bit of pressure ratchets up on Trump he comes up with a distraction. Supreme Court overrule his Tariffs, more Epstein details, so he decides to switch everyone’s attention | |||
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"I think the Russians have their own issues in Ukraine. " Losing Iran as an ally could be decisive in Ukraine, and make a peace deal more likely. Imagine if Trump depose the dictator Maduro and the Mad Mullahs, ends the war in Gaza, and gets a peace deal in Ukraine. I honestly think there would be widespread self combustion among the conspiracy theorists!! | |||
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"I think the Russians have their own issues in Ukraine. Losing Iran as an ally could be decisive in Ukraine, and make a peace deal more likely. Imagine if Trump depose the dictator Maduro and the Mad Mullahs, ends the war in Gaza, and gets a peace deal in Ukraine. I honestly think there would be widespread self combustion among the conspiracy theorists!!" It doesn’t matter what happens as he’ll claim all of the above anyway. Peace in Greenland! | |||
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"I think the Russians have their own issues in Ukraine. Losing Iran as an ally could be decisive in Ukraine, and make a peace deal more likely. Imagine if Trump depose the dictator Maduro and the Mad Mullahs, ends the war in Gaza, and gets a peace deal in Ukraine. I honestly think there would be widespread self combustion among the conspiracy theorists!! It doesn’t matter what happens as he’ll claim all of the above anyway. Peace in Greenland!" Well Maduro has gone and peace has held in Gaza so there's that. | |||
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"I think the Russians have their own issues in Ukraine. Losing Iran as an ally could be decisive in Ukraine, and make a peace deal more likely. Imagine if Trump depose the dictator Maduro and the Mad Mullahs, ends the war in Gaza, and gets a peace deal in Ukraine. I honestly think there would be widespread self combustion among the conspiracy theorists!! It doesn’t matter what happens as he’ll claim all of the above anyway. Peace in Greenland! Well Maduro has gone and peace has held in Gaza so there's that. " I mean peace hasn’t been consistently held in Gaza since 1948. It’s unlikely to suddenly start now. | |||
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"I think the Russians have their own issues in Ukraine. Losing Iran as an ally could be decisive in Ukraine, and make a peace deal more likely. Imagine if Trump depose the dictator Maduro and the Mad Mullahs, ends the war in Gaza, and gets a peace deal in Ukraine. I honestly think there would be widespread self combustion among the conspiracy theorists!! It doesn’t matter what happens as he’ll claim all of the above anyway. Peace in Greenland!" I think the tank battles have ended in Greenland and apart from some sporadic machine gun exchanges, there is now peace in our times after decades of civil war. The polar bears have won the day | |||
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"I think the Russians have their own issues in Ukraine. Losing Iran as an ally could be decisive in Ukraine, and make a peace deal more likely. Imagine if Trump depose the dictator Maduro and the Mad Mullahs, ends the war in Gaza, and gets a peace deal in Ukraine. I honestly think there would be widespread self combustion among the conspiracy theorists!! It doesn’t matter what happens as he’ll claim all of the above anyway. Peace in Greenland! Well Maduro has gone and peace has held in Gaza so there's that. " Meanwhile… https://news.sky.com/story/airstrikes-in-gaza-kill-11-people-locals-say-as-israel-claims-hamas-violated-ceasefire-13507915 | |||
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"This is going to be big, very big. Watch our shares rise, if you're looking for good investments try some of these. Lockheed Martin (LMT): Major U.S. defense contractor, high YTD return in early 2026. BAE Systems (BA.): Top UK defense company with significant global programs. Rheinmetall (RHM): German manufacturer, heavily involved in supplying ammunition and armored vehicles. RTX Corporation (RTX): Formerly Raytheon, a key player in missiles and defense tech. Northrop Grumman (NOC): Focuses on aerospace and defense systems. General Dynamics (GD): Known for combat vehicles and submarines. Leonardo (LDO): Italian aerospace and defense company. Thales (HO): French company focused on aerospace, defense, and security. Saab (SAAB B): Swedish defense company benefiting from European security spending. Yeah Some comments come over as anything but the West, I think it is more to do with people not being able to disconnect their Trump hatred... | |||
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"This is going to be big, very big. Watch our shares rise, if you're looking for good investments try some of these. Lockheed Martin (LMT): Major U.S. defense contractor, high YTD return in early 2026. BAE Systems (BA.): Top UK defense company with significant global programs. Rheinmetall (RHM): German manufacturer, heavily involved in supplying ammunition and armored vehicles. RTX Corporation (RTX): Formerly Raytheon, a key player in missiles and defense tech. Northrop Grumman (NOC): Focuses on aerospace and defense systems. General Dynamics (GD): Known for combat vehicles and submarines. Leonardo (LDO): Italian aerospace and defense company. Thales (HO): French company focused on aerospace, defense, and security. Saab (SAAB B): Swedish defense company benefiting from European security spending. Yeah Indeed, and most comments unfortunately. Meanwhile in Iran there are videos of women celebrating the bomb strikes. Such courage and integrity, qualities much of the West has abandoned. | |||
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"I think the Russians have their own issues in Ukraine. Losing Iran as an ally could be decisive in Ukraine, and make a peace deal more likely. Imagine if Trump depose the dictator Maduro and the Mad Mullahs, ends the war in Gaza, and gets a peace deal in Ukraine. I honestly think there would be widespread self combustion among the conspiracy theorists!! It doesn’t matter what happens as he’ll claim all of the above anyway. Peace in Greenland! Well Maduro has gone and peace has held in Gaza so there's that. Meanwhile… https://news.sky.com/story/airstrikes-in-gaza-kill-11-people-locals-say-as-israel-claims-hamas-violated-ceasefire-13507915 " Confirmed later as Hamas operatives. | |||
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"I think the Russians have their own issues in Ukraine. Losing Iran as an ally could be decisive in Ukraine, and make a peace deal more likely. Imagine if Trump depose the dictator Maduro and the Mad Mullahs, ends the war in Gaza, and gets a peace deal in Ukraine. I honestly think there would be widespread self combustion among the conspiracy theorists!! It doesn’t matter what happens as he’ll claim all of the above anyway. Peace in Greenland! Well Maduro has gone and peace has held in Gaza so there's that. Meanwhile… https://news.sky.com/story/airstrikes-in-gaza-kill-11-people-locals-say-as-israel-claims-hamas-violated-ceasefire-13507915 Confirmed later as Hamas operatives." Doesn’t matter who it is, the ceasefire isn’t holding. | |||
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"This is going to be big, very big. Watch our shares rise, if you're looking for good investments try some of these. Lockheed Martin (LMT): Major U.S. defense contractor, high YTD return in early 2026. BAE Systems (BA.): Top UK defense company with significant global programs. Rheinmetall (RHM): German manufacturer, heavily involved in supplying ammunition and armored vehicles. RTX Corporation (RTX): Formerly Raytheon, a key player in missiles and defense tech. Northrop Grumman (NOC): Focuses on aerospace and defense systems. General Dynamics (GD): Known for combat vehicles and submarines. Leonardo (LDO): Italian aerospace and defense company. Thales (HO): French company focused on aerospace, defense, and security. Saab (SAAB B): Swedish defense company benefiting from European security spending. Yeah I was listening to a news report and an Iranian said the same thing, that his family in Iran were celebrating the attacks. I do hope this is a decisive blow and Iranians can finally shake off sanctions and begin to thrive. | |||
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"This is going to be big, very big. Watch our shares rise, if you're looking for good investments try some of these. Lockheed Martin (LMT): Major U.S. defense contractor, high YTD return in early 2026. BAE Systems (BA.): Top UK defense company with significant global programs. Rheinmetall (RHM): German manufacturer, heavily involved in supplying ammunition and armored vehicles. RTX Corporation (RTX): Formerly Raytheon, a key player in missiles and defense tech. Northrop Grumman (NOC): Focuses on aerospace and defense systems. General Dynamics (GD): Known for combat vehicles and submarines. Leonardo (LDO): Italian aerospace and defense company. Thales (HO): French company focused on aerospace, defense, and security. Saab (SAAB B): Swedish defense company benefiting from European security spending. Yeah It's hardly reported in our media but large parts of the Muslim world are becoming more Liberal and secular, especially younger people who crave freedom and opportunities. While in the West we embrace the very worst aspects of Islamic conservatism and extremism. 🤷 | |||
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"If Trump and Israel are seriously looking to topple the Iranian regime it will require more than ground to air ordnance to take out the revolutionary guard.. They have apparently brought in their F22’s so it may be more than just shock and awe.. Apparently they asked the uk if they could use their bases here and in Cyprus to launch operations… UK said no Also the Middle East countries with us bases have said they can’t use weapons based there or their airspace There is a bit of irony in that Israel have kinda proved Irans point about not wanting to their own ballistic missiles when Israel attack them first…. There is no such thing as a preemptive defensive strike Typical Starmer cowardice, probably thought appeasement would win him the by election 🙄 " SDS | |||
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"This is going to be big, very big. Watch our shares rise, if you're looking for good investments try some of these. Lockheed Martin (LMT): Major U.S. defense contractor, high YTD return in early 2026. BAE Systems (BA.): Top UK defense company with significant global programs. Rheinmetall (RHM): German manufacturer, heavily involved in supplying ammunition and armored vehicles. RTX Corporation (RTX): Formerly Raytheon, a key player in missiles and defense tech. Northrop Grumman (NOC): Focuses on aerospace and defense systems. General Dynamics (GD): Known for combat vehicles and submarines. Leonardo (LDO): Italian aerospace and defense company. Thales (HO): French company focused on aerospace, defense, and security. Saab (SAAB B): Swedish defense company benefiting from European security spending. Yeah There were celebrations when Saddam was topped weren’t there? So invading Iraq post 9/11 was justified? | |||
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"This is going to be big, very big. Watch our shares rise, if you're looking for good investments try some of these. Lockheed Martin (LMT): Major U.S. defense contractor, high YTD return in early 2026. BAE Systems (BA.): Top UK defense company with significant global programs. Rheinmetall (RHM): German manufacturer, heavily involved in supplying ammunition and armored vehicles. RTX Corporation (RTX): Formerly Raytheon, a key player in missiles and defense tech. Northrop Grumman (NOC): Focuses on aerospace and defense systems. General Dynamics (GD): Known for combat vehicles and submarines. Leonardo (LDO): Italian aerospace and defense company. Thales (HO): French company focused on aerospace, defense, and security. Saab (SAAB B): Swedish defense company benefiting from European security spending. Yeah You wish Saddam was still in place ? | |||
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"This is going to be big, very big. Watch our shares rise, if you're looking for good investments try some of these. Lockheed Martin (LMT): Major U.S. defense contractor, high YTD return in early 2026. BAE Systems (BA.): Top UK defense company with significant global programs. Rheinmetall (RHM): German manufacturer, heavily involved in supplying ammunition and armored vehicles. RTX Corporation (RTX): Formerly Raytheon, a key player in missiles and defense tech. Northrop Grumman (NOC): Focuses on aerospace and defense systems. General Dynamics (GD): Known for combat vehicles and submarines. Leonardo (LDO): Italian aerospace and defense company. Thales (HO): French company focused on aerospace, defense, and security. Saab (SAAB B): Swedish defense company benefiting from European security spending. Yeah Did I say that? How about you answer the question: Do you believe the invasion of Iraq was justified because saddam’s ousting was celebrated? | |||
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"This is going to be big, very big. Watch our shares rise, if you're looking for good investments try some of these. Lockheed Martin (LMT): Major U.S. defense contractor, high YTD return in early 2026. BAE Systems (BA.): Top UK defense company with significant global programs. Rheinmetall (RHM): German manufacturer, heavily involved in supplying ammunition and armored vehicles. RTX Corporation (RTX): Formerly Raytheon, a key player in missiles and defense tech. Northrop Grumman (NOC): Focuses on aerospace and defense systems. General Dynamics (GD): Known for combat vehicles and submarines. Leonardo (LDO): Italian aerospace and defense company. Thales (HO): French company focused on aerospace, defense, and security. Saab (SAAB B): Swedish defense company benefiting from European security spending. Yeah So you won't answer my question but expect me to answer yours. Sorry, don't play that way. | |||
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"This is going to be big, very big. Watch our shares rise, if you're looking for good investments try some of these. Lockheed Martin (LMT): Major U.S. defense contractor, high YTD return in early 2026. BAE Systems (BA.): Top UK defense company with significant global programs. Rheinmetall (RHM): German manufacturer, heavily involved in supplying ammunition and armored vehicles. RTX Corporation (RTX): Formerly Raytheon, a key player in missiles and defense tech. Northrop Grumman (NOC): Focuses on aerospace and defense systems. General Dynamics (GD): Known for combat vehicles and submarines. Leonardo (LDO): Italian aerospace and defense company. Thales (HO): French company focused on aerospace, defense, and security. Saab (SAAB B): Swedish defense company benefiting from European security spending. Yeah My question was first, was it not? I appreciate it presents a challenging conundrum. None of us would main about the toppling of a dictator, but at what price? | |||
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"This is going to be big, very big. Watch our shares rise, if you're looking for good investments try some of these. Lockheed Martin (LMT): Major U.S. defense contractor, high YTD return in early 2026. BAE Systems (BA.): Top UK defense company with significant global programs. Rheinmetall (RHM): German manufacturer, heavily involved in supplying ammunition and armored vehicles. RTX Corporation (RTX): Formerly Raytheon, a key player in missiles and defense tech. Northrop Grumman (NOC): Focuses on aerospace and defense systems. General Dynamics (GD): Known for combat vehicles and submarines. Leonardo (LDO): Italian aerospace and defense company. Thales (HO): French company focused on aerospace, defense, and security. Saab (SAAB B): Swedish defense company benefiting from European security spending. Yeah The full invasion of Iraq was not justified either in international law or for pragmatic reasons, and the post Sadaam management of Iraq was a disaster by the Bush administration. However the Iraqi people also bear some responsibility for their own country and the sectarianism there. I doubt very much that the US will invade Iran, nor does that country have the Sunni/Shia divide which has plagued Syria. Iran also has a long historical integrity as a country and culture which Syria and Libya (an Obama/Clinton disaster) lacked. If the US and Israel can remove Iran's leadership and cripple the Revolution Guard then I think there is a good chance a better regime will arise, and their actions will be justified. | |||
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". If the US and Israel can remove Iran's leadership and cripple the Revolution Guard then I think there is a good chance a better regime will arise, and their actions will be justified." You can’t justify an action like war based upon the potential outcome though. What if the desired outcome isn’t achieved? Then the war wasn’t justified. That makes no sense. | |||
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". If the US and Israel can remove Iran's leadership and cripple the Revolution Guard then I think there is a good chance a better regime will arise, and their actions will be justified. You can’t justify an action like war based upon the potential outcome though. What if the desired outcome isn’t achieved? Then the war wasn’t justified. That makes no sense." On that basis no course of political action should ever be undertaken unless the preferred outcome is guaranteed. | |||
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"Isn't it odd that Pakistan, a country Britain gives billions in aid too, is currently carpet bombing Afghanistan but no-one on the left seems concerned about the loss of life or consequences? 🤔" It isn't Trump trying to deflect from the Epstein files is it? | |||
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". If the US and Israel can remove Iran's leadership and cripple the Revolution Guard then I think there is a good chance a better regime will arise, and their actions will be justified. You can’t justify an action like war based upon the potential outcome though. What if the desired outcome isn’t achieved? Then the war wasn’t justified. That makes no sense. On that basis no course of political action should ever be undertaken unless the preferred outcome is guaranteed." Not one involving large scale civilian death, no. | |||
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". If the US and Israel can remove Iran's leadership and cripple the Revolution Guard then I think there is a good chance a better regime will arise, and their actions will be justified. You can’t justify an action like war based upon the potential outcome though. What if the desired outcome isn’t achieved? Then the war wasn’t justified. That makes no sense." War can be justified if failing to act would produce more harm than not acting. It is then absurd to say a war isn’t justified because it produced a result that wasn't planned for after the event. | |||
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"Isn't it odd that Pakistan, a country Britain gives billions in aid too, is currently carpet bombing Afghanistan but no-one on the left seems concerned about the loss of life or consequences? 🤔 It isn't Trump trying to deflect from the Epstein files is it? | |||
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". If the US and Israel can remove Iran's leadership and cripple the Revolution Guard then I think there is a good chance a better regime will arise, and their actions will be justified. You can’t justify an action like war based upon the potential outcome though. What if the desired outcome isn’t achieved? Then the war wasn’t justified. That makes no sense. On that basis no course of political action should ever be undertaken unless the preferred outcome is guaranteed. Not one involving large scale civilian death, no. " As the only large scale civilian deaths so far in Iran were caused by the Islamic Regime, I feel you are rather arguing against yourself. | |||
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". If the US and Israel can remove Iran's leadership and cripple the Revolution Guard then I think there is a good chance a better regime will arise, and their actions will be justified. You can’t justify an action like war based upon the potential outcome though. What if the desired outcome isn’t achieved? Then the war wasn’t justified. That makes no sense. On that basis no course of political action should ever be undertaken unless the preferred outcome is guaranteed. Not one involving large scale civilian death, no. As the only large scale civilian deaths so far in Iran were caused by the Islamic Regime, I feel you are rather arguing against yourself." Like I said earlier, these things are complex and hard to navigate morally or politically. Is this a new Iraq or Afghanistan? | |||
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"From President Trump: "When we are finished, take over your government. It will be yours to take. This will be probably your only chance for generations.” When fascist Germany and Japan were devastated beyond imagination by war, their people rebuilt their countries as modern wealthy democracies in less than two decades, with plenty of American aid of course. It the Islamofascist regime falls in Iran, then its amazing people with one of the worlds oldest civilisations will have their future in their hands. 🙏🙏🙏 " In the meantime civilians taking the hits. 40 killed in girls' school in Iran after US-Israel attack, state media says Iran’s state-run IRNA news agency has reported that at least 40 people were killed after an Israeli strike hit a girls’ elementary school in Minab in the southern Hormozgan province. At least 45 others were wounded in the attack, the news agency reported. It provided no further details about the casualties USA killed a lot of civvies on Afghan and Israel will snuff anything Arabic | |||
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"Any word from the Board of Peace yet?" | |||
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"Any word from the Board of Peace yet? Bingo! | |||
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"Any word from the Board of Peace yet?" Theyre still trying to circumnavigate the financial instructions to get the dosh into one of trumps accounts via Geneva, the Cayman islands etc.. | |||
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"If Iran were to ever get the capability to launch nuclear missiles against Israel, i believe they would. The response would probably culminate in WW3 " Don't talk sense BBG, tin foil hats only at this important time. | |||
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"If Iran were to ever get the capability to launch nuclear missiles against Israel, i believe they would. The response would probably culminate in WW3 " They’ve been weeks away from having nuclear weapons for a couple of decades now. | |||
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"If Iran were to ever get the capability to launch nuclear missiles against Israel, i believe they would. The response would probably culminate in WW3 They’ve been weeks away from having nuclear weapons for a couple of decades now. " Having a nuclear capability is not the same as having a delivery system. But if Iran and North Korea got together, the world could be a very different place in 10 years time | |||
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"It's tough on the Green Party. Imagine winning Gorton and Denton one day and losing Tehran the next ! 🤦♂️" this really made me chuckle! Bravo 🙌 | |||
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"From President Trump: "When we are finished, take over your government. It will be yours to take. This will be probably your only chance for generations.” When fascist Germany and Japan were devastated beyond imagination by war, their people rebuilt their countries as modern wealthy democracies in less than two decades, with plenty of American aid of course. It the Islamofascist regime falls in Iran, then its amazing people with one of the worlds oldest civilisations will have their future in their hands. 🙏🙏🙏 " Slight problem…. If he is saying that this is a “war” then under the constitution he actually needs to get “war powers” authorisation from congress before enacting anything… Again it’s trump over reaching on his executive branch powers… especially since the objective is regime change | |||
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"If Iran were to ever get the capability to launch nuclear missiles against Israel, i believe they would. The response would probably culminate in WW3 They’ve been weeks away from having nuclear weapons for a couple of decades now. Having a nuclear capability is not the same as having a delivery system. But if Iran and North Korea got together, the world could be a very different place in 10 years time " Launching a ‘proper’ nuke is like hitting a suicide button. No nation will do it again. | |||
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"If Iran were to ever get the capability to launch nuclear missiles against Israel, i believe they would. The response would probably culminate in WW3 They’ve been weeks away from having nuclear weapons for a couple of decades now. Having a nuclear capability is not the same as having a delivery system. But if Iran and North Korea got together, the world could be a very different place in 10 years time Launching a ‘proper’ nuke is like hitting a suicide button. No nation will do it again. " You have to examine the thinking of the people with their finger on the button. | |||
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"If Iran were to ever get the capability to launch nuclear missiles against Israel, i believe they would. The response would probably culminate in WW3 They’ve been weeks away from having nuclear weapons for a couple of decades now. Having a nuclear capability is not the same as having a delivery system. But if Iran and North Korea got together, the world could be a very different place in 10 years time Launching a ‘proper’ nuke is like hitting a suicide button. No nation will do it again. You have to examine the thinking of the people with their finger on the button. " True. Trump is probably stupid enough, but his advisers will talk him down. | |||
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"If Iran were to ever get the capability to launch nuclear missiles against Israel, i believe they would. The response would probably culminate in WW3 They’ve been weeks away from having nuclear weapons for a couple of decades now. Having a nuclear capability is not the same as having a delivery system. But if Iran and North Korea got together, the world could be a very different place in 10 years time Launching a ‘proper’ nuke is like hitting a suicide button. No nation will do it again. You have to examine the thinking of the people with their finger on the button. True. Trump is probably stupid enough, but his advisers will talk him down." I think there’s a lot of sensible people involved in the process in the US. Trump might say “shoot” but his generals wasn’t do it. Iran doesn’t have that issue. All the generals are just as fanatical, that’s why they are generals. | |||
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"From President Trump: "When we are finished, take over your government. It will be yours to take. This will be probably your only chance for generations.” When fascist Germany and Japan were devastated beyond imagination by war, their people rebuilt their countries as modern wealthy democracies in less than two decades, with plenty of American aid of course. It the Islamofascist regime falls in Iran, then its amazing people with one of the worlds oldest civilisations will have their future in their hands. 🙏🙏🙏 Slight problem…. If he is saying that this is a “war” then under the constitution he actually needs to get “war powers” authorisation from congress before enacting anything… Again it’s trump over reaching on his executive branch powers… especially since the objective is regime change " He should have called it a special military operation like Putin did | |||
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"This is going to be big, very big. Watch our shares rise, if you're looking for good investments try some of these. Lockheed Martin (LMT): Major U.S. defense contractor, high YTD return in early 2026. BAE Systems (BA.): Top UK defense company with significant global programs. Rheinmetall (RHM): German manufacturer, heavily involved in supplying ammunition and armored vehicles. RTX Corporation (RTX): Formerly Raytheon, a key player in missiles and defense tech. Northrop Grumman (NOC): Focuses on aerospace and defense systems. General Dynamics (GD): Known for combat vehicles and submarines. Leonardo (LDO): Italian aerospace and defense company. Thales (HO): French company focused on aerospace, defense, and security. Saab (SAAB B): Swedish defense company benefiting from European security spending. Yeah Have you ever questioned your own pension fund investors | |||
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" True. Trump is probably stupid enough, but his advisers will talk him down. I think there’s a lot of sensible people involved in the process in the US. Trump might say “shoot” but his generals wasn’t do it. Iran doesn’t have that issue. All the generals are just as fanatical, that’s why they are generals. " Tend to agree with the above, definitely the last point.. Therein lies a question, assuming Iran possibly has chemical warheads and other nasties if the regime are thinking they are finished how far will they go etc.. | |||
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"This is going to be big, very big. Watch our shares rise, if you're looking for good investments try some of these. Lockheed Martin (LMT): Major U.S. defense contractor, high YTD return in early 2026. BAE Systems (BA.): Top UK defense company with significant global programs. Rheinmetall (RHM): German manufacturer, heavily involved in supplying ammunition and armored vehicles. RTX Corporation (RTX): Formerly Raytheon, a key player in missiles and defense tech. Northrop Grumman (NOC): Focuses on aerospace and defense systems. General Dynamics (GD): Known for combat vehicles and submarines. Leonardo (LDO): Italian aerospace and defense company. Thales (HO): French company focused on aerospace, defense, and security. Saab (SAAB B): Swedish defense company benefiting from European security spending. Yeah You are assuming I can afford a pension! Can just about afford to feed the cat. | |||
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"UK planes 'in the sky' in Middle East as part of defensive operation says Starmer. " Always meddling. The UAE says it reserves the right to respond, in line with international law, to protect its sovereignty and security, but we all know they will not re retaliate or get involved in this kind of nonsense | |||
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"UK planes 'in the sky' in Middle East as part of defensive operation says Starmer. Always meddling. The UAE says it reserves the right to respond, in line with international law, to protect its sovereignty and security, but we all know they will not re retaliate or get involved in this kind of nonsense" Meddling or protecting Akrotiri from drones? | |||
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"More sandbox shit, as long as they don't drag Britain into it or start another refugee crisis I don't care" Luke Pollard is Defence Readiness minister and Plymouth MP. He’s posted on FB omitting the recently announced ‘planes in the sky’ RAF support given to USA and Israel. Labour took UK to an illegal war in Iraq that led to hundreds of service personnel killed. Another 150-250k dead Iraqis and two million Iraqis made homeless. Three decades of terror attacks in the west have followed. Best Labour keep UK away from this, we don’t want any more synagogue attacks or terror plots. | |||
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"Is there going to be a mass demonstration against the action by the US and Israel in London next week? ### Waits for tumble to clear at Trafalgar Square They will have to fight off the Iranians celebrating. | |||
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"Is there going to be a mass demonstration against the action by the US and Israel in London next week? ### Waits for tumble to clear at Trafalgar Square You can guarantee it. The greens will be at the front shouting to protect a government that’s killed 10s of thousands of its own citizens in the streets in a matter of weeks and has another 20,000 ish awaiting execution Nice folks | |||
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"And I was told by right wing fucknuts that Trump ends wars And I was told by far left wing activists that what’s going on in Iran doesn’t matter. Nothing to see here, move along | |||
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"Is there going to be a mass demonstration against the action by the US and Israel in London next week? ### Waits for tumble to clear at Trafalgar Square There was a demonstration today by Iranians supporting the action and waving Israeli flags. | |||
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"Is there going to be a mass demonstration against the action by the US and Israel in London next week? ### Waits for tumble to clear at Trafalgar Square 👏 | |||
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"From President Trump: "When we are finished, take over your government. It will be yours to take. This will be probably your only chance for generations.” When fascist Germany and Japan were devastated beyond imagination by war, their people rebuilt their countries as modern wealthy democracies in less than two decades, with plenty of American aid of course. It the Islamofascist regime falls in Iran, then its amazing people with one of the worlds oldest civilisations will have their future in their hands. 🙏🙏🙏 Slight problem…. If he is saying that this is a “war” then under the constitution he actually needs to get “war powers” authorisation from congress before enacting anything… Again it’s trump over reaching on his executive branch powers… especially since the objective is regime change " He said they were an imminent nuclear threat to the USA I guess they weren't because he obliterated their nuclear capability a short time ago. Didn't he ? | |||
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"From President Trump: "When we are finished, take over your government. It will be yours to take. This will be probably your only chance for generations.” When fascist Germany and Japan were devastated beyond imagination by war, their people rebuilt their countries as modern wealthy democracies in less than two decades, with plenty of American aid of course. It the Islamofascist regime falls in Iran, then its amazing people with one of the worlds oldest civilisations will have their future in their hands. 🙏🙏🙏 Slight problem…. If he is saying that this is a “war” then under the constitution he actually needs to get “war powers” authorisation from congress before enacting anything… Again it’s trump over reaching on his executive branch powers… especially since the objective is regime change He said they were an imminent nuclear threat to the USA I guess they weren't because he obliterated their nuclear capability a short time ago. Didn't he ?" I'm sure many people would prefer if it was Iran attacking the US or Israel, but thankfully they are advanced technological superpowers while Iran still uses pagers. | |||
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"From President Trump: "When we are finished, take over your government. It will be yours to take. This will be probably your only chance for generations.” When fascist Germany and Japan were devastated beyond imagination by war, their people rebuilt their countries as modern wealthy democracies in less than two decades, with plenty of American aid of course. It the Islamofascist regime falls in Iran, then its amazing people with one of the worlds oldest civilisations will have their future in their hands. 🙏🙏🙏 Slight problem…. If he is saying that this is a “war” then under the constitution he actually needs to get “war powers” authorisation from congress before enacting anything… Again it’s trump over reaching on his executive branch powers… especially since the objective is regime change He said they were an imminent nuclear threat to the USA I guess they weren't because he obliterated their nuclear capability a short time ago. Didn't he ? I'm sure many people would prefer if it was Iran attacking the US or Israel, but thankfully they are advanced technological superpowers while Iran still uses pagers. I'm sure many people might be, can you name any ? | |||
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"From President Trump: "When we are finished, take over your government. It will be yours to take. This will be probably your only chance for generations.” When fascist Germany and Japan were devastated beyond imagination by war, their people rebuilt their countries as modern wealthy democracies in less than two decades, with plenty of American aid of course. It the Islamofascist regime falls in Iran, then its amazing people with one of the worlds oldest civilisations will have their future in their hands. 🙏🙏🙏 Slight problem…. If he is saying that this is a “war” then under the constitution he actually needs to get “war powers” authorisation from congress before enacting anything… Again it’s trump over reaching on his executive branch powers… especially since the objective is regime change He said they were an imminent nuclear threat to the USA I guess they weren't because he obliterated their nuclear capability a short time ago. Didn't he ? I'm sure many people would prefer if it was Iran attacking the US or Israel, but thankfully they are advanced technological superpowers while Iran still uses pagers. It was simply another deflection from answering the question. Trump can do no wrong . Someone said forcing the into a to attend an inquiry would come back to bite trump. If he's not in a nursing home before or after his presidency he could be attending aot of inquiries lol | |||
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" I'm sure many people would prefer if it was Iran attacking the US or Israel, but thankfully they are advanced technological superpowers while Iran still uses pagers. Everyone who celebrated October 7th. | |||
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"From President Trump: "When we are finished, take over your government. It will be yours to take. This will be probably your only chance for generations.” When fascist Germany and Japan were devastated beyond imagination by war, their people rebuilt their countries as modern wealthy democracies in less than two decades, with plenty of American aid of course. It the Islamofascist regime falls in Iran, then its amazing people with one of the worlds oldest civilisations will have their future in their hands. 🙏🙏🙏 Slight problem…. If he is saying that this is a “war” then under the constitution he actually needs to get “war powers” authorisation from congress before enacting anything… Again it’s trump over reaching on his executive branch powers… especially since the objective is regime change He said they were an imminent nuclear threat to the USA I guess they weren't because he obliterated their nuclear capability a short time ago. Didn't he ? I'm sure many people would prefer if it was Iran attacking the US or Israel, but thankfully they are advanced technological superpowers while Iran still uses pagers. It was simply another deflection from answering the question. Trump can do no wrong . Someone said forcing the Clinton's to attend an inquiry would come back to bite trump. If he's not in a nursing home before or after his presidency he could be attending aot of inquiries lol | |||
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"From President Trump: "When we are finished, take over your government. It will be yours to take. This will be probably your only chance for generations.” When fascist Germany and Japan were devastated beyond imagination by war, their people rebuilt their countries as modern wealthy democracies in less than two decades, with plenty of American aid of course. It the Islamofascist regime falls in Iran, then its amazing people with one of the worlds oldest civilisations will have their future in their hands. 🙏🙏🙏 Slight problem…. If he is saying that this is a “war” then under the constitution he actually needs to get “war powers” authorisation from congress before enacting anything… Again it’s trump over reaching on his executive branch powers… especially since the objective is regime change He said they were an imminent nuclear threat to the USA I guess they weren't because he obliterated their nuclear capability a short time ago. Didn't he ? I'm sure many people would prefer if it was Iran attacking the US or Israel, but thankfully they are advanced technological superpowers while Iran still uses pagers. Some truths are self evident. | |||
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"From President Trump: "When we are finished, take over your government. It will be yours to take. This will be probably your only chance for generations.” When fascist Germany and Japan were devastated beyond imagination by war, their people rebuilt their countries as modern wealthy democracies in less than two decades, with plenty of American aid of course. It the Islamofascist regime falls in Iran, then its amazing people with one of the worlds oldest civilisations will have their future in their hands. 🙏🙏🙏 Slight problem…. If he is saying that this is a “war” then under the constitution he actually needs to get “war powers” authorisation from congress before enacting anything… Again it’s trump over reaching on his executive branch powers… especially since the objective is regime change He said they were an imminent nuclear threat to the USA I guess they weren't because he obliterated their nuclear capability a short time ago. Didn't he ? I'm sure many people would prefer if it was Iran attacking the US or Israel, but thankfully they are advanced technological superpowers while Iran still uses pagers. I heard you the first time 🤣 | |||
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"Is there going to be a mass demonstration against the action by the US and Israel in London next week? ### Waits for tumble to clear at Trafalgar Square Never mind London it's happening in Glasgow Buchannan street right now, all the retards that used to protest shouting save gazza are all now shouting save Iran 🇮🇷 waving their flags with no clue who they actually want to save. They were there on Saturday and they will be back today making total dicks of themselves whilst disturbing all shoppers | |||
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"Is there going to be a mass demonstration against the action by the US and Israel in London next week? ### Waits for tumble to clear at Trafalgar Square Professional protesters who jump from one cause to another all with the same anti establishment agenda. | |||
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"With regards to the OP, I understand the financial logic you’re pointing out. But investing isn’t morally neutral. It’s an act of choosing what I materially support. I’m not comfortable profiting from industries whose growth depends on armed conflict and human suffering. That would conflict with my personal moral responsibility. . Profitability and ethical legitimacy are not the same thing. . Many things can be profitable without being morally acceptable. . My investment decisions aren’t based solely on expected returns, but also on whether I can justify my participation ethically. . For me personally, profiting from war creates a moral conflict. Even if I’m far removed from the battlefield, I would still be benefiting financially from systems that produce real human harm. That’s not something I’m willing to participate in. . I have to be able to live with my decisions. Financial gain isn’t worth compromising my sense of ethical consistency. I would rather earn less and remain aligned with my principles than profit in a way that conflicts with them. . Choosing to invest is an affirmative act. It’s not neutral. It’s allocating capital toward a specific outcome. I take that responsibility seriously." If you have a company pension you will have very little say on the pension investments, ofcourse you can wave your little green flag and request only green and arms free investments and work an extra 20 years until you have enough capital to retire 🤣😂🤣 | |||
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"Sounds like Israel has taken out most of the Senior leadership. Must have incredible intelligence on the ground to identify their location at this time. Like Hitler, Khomeni spent his final moments cowering in a bunker.👏" Yeah and Netanyahu flees to Greece every single time. So what’s your point? I can’t believe that a bunch of Epstein boys are ruling the world and care for woman rights all of sudden? I think the whole west needs cleaning up of dirty politicians. Should Russia and China come over and decide what country needs to do what, and if they don’t listen we’ll cut them off from the world. Bombard them, take out their leaders and recourses and fuck off. | |||
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"Is there going to be a mass demonstration against the action by the US and Israel in London next week? ### Waits for tumble to clear at Trafalgar Square Are we against flags and protest this week? Because a few months ago we were all for them . | |||
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"Sounds like Israel has taken out most of the Senior leadership. Must have incredible intelligence on the ground to identify their location at this time. Like Hitler, Khomeni spent his final moments cowering in a bunker.👏 Yeah and Netanyahu flees to Greece every single time. So what’s your point? I can’t believe that a bunch of Epstein boys are ruling the world and care for woman rights all of sudden? I think the whole west needs cleaning up of dirty politicians. Should Russia and China come over and decide what country needs to do what, and if they don’t listen we’ll cut them off from the world. Bombard them, take out their leaders and recourses and fuck off. " I'm sorry for your loss | |||
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"Sounds like Israel has taken out most of the Senior leadership. Must have incredible intelligence on the ground to identify their location at this time. Like Hitler, Khomeni spent his final moments cowering in a bunker.👏 Yeah and Netanyahu flees to Greece every single time. So what’s your point? I can’t believe that a bunch of Epstein boys are ruling the world and care for woman rights all of sudden? I think the whole west needs cleaning up of dirty politicians. Should Russia and China come over and decide what country needs to do what, and if they don’t listen we’ll cut them off from the world. Bombard them, take out their leaders and recourses and fuck off. " To be fair, it doesn't help when a regime pronounces that it's dedicated to the destruction of the USA and Israel, and takes concrete steps in that direction. Sometimes, someone will believe the rhetoric and act accordingly. It would've been really easy for Iran NOT to get hammered like they are now... Don't make it your business to interfere with Israel and Israel won't make it their business to interfere with you. By building an axis of anti-Israel militias, they drew a target on themselves. You can't really complain about other countries doing to Iran exactly what Iran plotted to those countries now, can you? Had Iran let go of the vision of destroying Israel and the US in the '90s and '00s and not pursued offensive capabilities and enrichment (while reiterating their vision), they wouldn't be where they are now. But don't pretend that this is simply an uninvolved third-party bully deciding "what country needs to do what, and if they don’t listen we’ll cut them off from the world. Bombard them, take out their leaders and recourses and fuck off." | |||
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"Sounds like Israel has taken out most of the Senior leadership. Must have incredible intelligence on the ground to identify their location at this time. Like Hitler, Khomeni spent his final moments cowering in a bunker.👏 Yeah and Netanyahu flees to Greece every single time. So what’s your point? I can’t believe that a bunch of Epstein boys are ruling the world and care for woman rights all of sudden? I think the whole west needs cleaning up of dirty politicians. Should Russia and China come over and decide what country needs to do what, and if they don’t listen we’ll cut them off from the world. Bombard them, take out their leaders and recourses and fuck off. To be fair, it doesn't help when a regime pronounces that it's dedicated to the destruction of the USA and Israel, and takes concrete steps in that direction. Sometimes, someone will believe the rhetoric and act accordingly. It would've been really easy for Iran NOT to get hammered like they are now... Don't make it your business to interfere with Israel and Israel won't make it their business to interfere with you. By building an axis of anti-Israel militias, they drew a target on themselves. You can't really complain about other countries doing to Iran exactly what Iran plotted to those countries now, can you? Had Iran let go of the vision of destroying Israel and the US in the '90s and '00s and not pursued offensive capabilities and enrichment (while reiterating their vision), they wouldn't be where they are now. But don't pretend that this is simply an uninvolved third-party bully deciding "what country needs to do what, and if they don’t listen we’ll cut them off from the world. Bombard them, take out their leaders and recourses and fuck off."" It’s still illegal | |||
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" It’s still illegal Sorry, what is illegal, under which law and jurisdiction? | |||
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" It’s still illegal Article 2(4) of the UN charter | |||
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" It’s still illegal Murdering your own citizens is illegal too. Sometimes when a nation is committing atrocities such as this lot, someone has to man up, put their big boy pants on and do something about it. Russia would have blocked a motion in the security council so pointless asking. | |||
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" It’s still illegal So we’re agreed that it’s an illegal act under international law, and we’re just going to try to justify it with whataboutery? | |||
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" It’s still illegal Right, your confusion makes sense now. You're referring to Customary International Law. "Illegal"is an incorrect term in this instance. You might be arguing that it is an "internationally wrongful act" or an "unlawful act." Even if that is your argument, there are counterarguments with merit, specifically in relation to preemptive self defense. While this might sound hollow regarding the US, it is very real regarding Israel, since Iran has been attacking Israel directly and indirectly, and their rhetoric, if taken at face value, is no different to someone amassing and arming a group of friends outside someone's house, while chanting "we're gonna kill you soon!". And even if it is indeed one day interpreted by some judiciary as "illegal", when facing an existential threat (which Israel arguably is), it's the right thing to do. However, there is a degree of subjectivity here, and you have clearly nailed your colours to a different perspective. | |||
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" It’s still illegal There was no imminent threat from Iran, and the attacks were not ratified by the UN council. The UN secretary general has explicitly stated that the attacks violate international law. | |||
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" The UN secretary general has explicitly stated that the attacks violate international law. " Iran armed Hamas to kill 1200 Jews including non Jew foreign nationals from 41 countries It’s a simple case of fuck around and find out. | |||
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" The UN secretary general has explicitly stated that the attacks violate international law. Iran armed Hamas to kill 1200 Jews including non Jew foreign nationals from 41 countries It’s a simple case of fuck around and find out. " Does that stop these attacks being a breach of the UN charter? Is there a ‘fuck around and find out’ clause? | |||
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" There was no imminent threat from Iran, and the attacks were not ratified by the UN council. " There isn't, until there is. And when there is, it's too late. But you're welcome to disagree. " The UN secretary general has explicitly stated that the attacks violate international law. " He's entitled to that opinion. Which is as valid as if Donald Trump decided that someone broke US law. It's an opinion from a leader, but he's not the final arbiter, regardless of what advice he sought. Happy to agree to disagree. | |||
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" The UN secretary general has explicitly stated that the attacks violate international law. Iran armed Hamas to kill 1200 Jews including non Jew foreign nationals from 41 countries It’s a simple case of fuck around and find out. Does that stop these attacks being a breach of the UN charter? Is there a ‘fuck around and find out’ clause? " There is now. Welcome to reality. | |||
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" The UN secretary general has explicitly stated that the attacks violate international law. Iran armed Hamas to kill 1200 Jews including non Jew foreign nationals from 41 countries It’s a simple case of fuck around and find out. Does that stop these attacks being a breach of the UN charter? Is there a ‘fuck around and find out’ clause? There is now. Welcome to reality." Cool. How did you feel about the illegal invasion of Iraq? | |||
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" The UN secretary general has explicitly stated that the attacks violate international law. Iran armed Hamas to kill 1200 Jews including non Jew foreign nationals from 41 countries It’s a simple case of fuck around and find out. Does that stop these attacks being a breach of the UN charter? Is there a ‘fuck around and find out’ clause? There is now. Welcome to reality." | |||
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" There was no imminent threat from Iran, and the attacks were not ratified by the UN council. There isn't, until there is. And when there is, it's too late. But you're welcome to disagree. The UN secretary general has explicitly stated that the attacks violate international law. He's entitled to that opinion. Which is as valid as if Donald Trump decided that someone broke US law. It's an opinion from a leader, but he's not the final arbiter, regardless of what advice he sought. Happy to agree to disagree. I suspect the UN Secretary General knows more about the UN Charter than you, you’d agree? | |||
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" There isn't, until there is. And when there is, it's too late. But you're welcome to disagree. " Under that logic, anyone can attack anyone at any moment and be justified, right? | |||
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" There isn't, until there is. And when there is, it's too late. But you're welcome to disagree. Under that logic, anyone can attack anyone at any moment and be justified, right? " That sadly is the truth.. And i speak as someone who has served the country yet still marched in opposition to the 2nd Gulf War.. Its not where we should be as people who share the same piece of rock floating in space but it is.. Power talks and the Victor's write the epilogue in the history books.. | |||
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" The UN secretary general has explicitly stated that the attacks violate international law. Iran armed Hamas to kill 1200 Jews including non Jew foreign nationals from 41 countries It’s a simple case of fuck around and find out. Does that stop these attacks being a breach of the UN charter? Is there a ‘fuck around and find out’ clause? There is now. Welcome to reality. Cool. How did you feel about the illegal invasion of Iraq? " 150,000 - 250,000 dead Iraqis 2 million homeless 4,500 U.S. service members killed 400+ UK service members killed Cost to date $0.5trn Followed by three decades of terror attacks No wmd found | |||
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" The UN secretary general has explicitly stated that the attacks violate international law. Iran armed Hamas to kill 1200 Jews including non Jew foreign nationals from 41 countries It’s a simple case of fuck around and find out. Does that stop these attacks being a breach of the UN charter? Is there a ‘fuck around and find out’ clause? There is now. Welcome to reality. Cool. How did you feel about the illegal invasion of Iraq? " Stupid. False pretences. | |||
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" It’s still illegal Pretty sure that wasn’t what I said | |||
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" There isn't, until there is. And when there is, it's too late. But you're welcome to disagree. Under that logic, anyone can attack anyone at any moment and be justified, right? " Potentially. History will judge. As you pointed out, Iraq was an unmitigated disaster. Based on lies. | |||
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" It’s still illegal Well you provided a load of whataboutery and didn’t provide any evidence that it’s not a breach of the UN charter, so please forgive me for not fully understanding your point. | |||
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" It’s still illegal UN is a load of wank. It took them 3.5 years to send peace keepers to Bosnia and failed dismally in Rwanda. | |||
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" There isn't, until there is. And when there is, it's too late. But you're welcome to disagree. Under that logic, anyone can attack anyone at any moment and be justified, right? Potentially. History will judge. As you pointed out, Iraq was an unmitigated disaster. Based on lies." Just your statement that “There isn't (an imminent threat) until there is. And when there is, it's too late” is a very broad statement to make. One could argue you’ve justified October 6th with your logic. | |||
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" It’s still illegal Also whataboutery though. Historic effectiveness of an organisation doesn’t refute the existence or authority of that organisation. | |||
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" There was no imminent threat from Iran, and the attacks were not ratified by the UN council. There isn't, until there is. And when there is, it's too late. But you're welcome to disagree. The UN secretary general has explicitly stated that the attacks violate international law. He's entitled to that opinion. Which is as valid as if Donald Trump decided that someone broke US law. It's an opinion from a leader, but he's not the final arbiter, regardless of what advice he sought. Happy to agree to disagree. Yes. But there are many others with at least as much understanding who disagree. You might argue that they are biased. Some would argue he is biased. Again, we will need to agree to disagree. There is legal and illegal. Then there is right and wrong. They do not always correlate. Should Palestine Action be proscribed as a terrorist group, supporters would be criminals. Should it not be, they aren't. Does that mean right and wrong can fluctuate from day to day because of what a court and government decide? Some might say yes. Others not. | |||
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" There isn't, until there is. And when there is, it's too late. But you're welcome to disagree. Under that logic, anyone can attack anyone at any moment and be justified, right? Potentially. History will judge. As you pointed out, Iraq was an unmitigated disaster. Based on lies. Just your statement that “There isn't (an imminent threat) until there is. And when there is, it's too late” is a very broad statement to make. One could argue you’ve justified October 6th with your logic." One could argue that, yes. Arguing doesn't make them right, necessarily. | |||
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" There isn't, until there is. And when there is, it's too late. But you're welcome to disagree. Under that logic, anyone can attack anyone at any moment and be justified, right? Potentially. History will judge. As you pointed out, Iraq was an unmitigated disaster. Based on lies. Just your statement that “There isn't (an imminent threat) until there is. And when there is, it's too late” is a very broad statement to make. One could argue you’ve justified October 6th with your logic. One could argue that, yes. Arguing doesn't make them right, necessarily." It’s your logic though | |||
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" There isn't, until there is. And when there is, it's too late. But you're welcome to disagree. Under that logic, anyone can attack anyone at any moment and be justified, right? Potentially. History will judge. As you pointed out, Iraq was an unmitigated disaster. Based on lies. Just your statement that “There isn't (an imminent threat) until there is. And when there is, it's too late” is a very broad statement to make. One could argue you’ve justified October 6th with your logic. One could argue that, yes. Arguing doesn't make them right, necessarily. It’s your logic though Agreed. Did you see disagreement there? | |||
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" There isn't, until there is. And when there is, it's too late. But you're welcome to disagree. Under that logic, anyone can attack anyone at any moment and be justified, right? Potentially. History will judge. As you pointed out, Iraq was an unmitigated disaster. Based on lies. Just your statement that “There isn't (an imminent threat) until there is. And when there is, it's too late” is a very broad statement to make. One could argue you’ve justified October 6th with your logic. One could argue that, yes. Arguing doesn't make them right, necessarily. It’s your logic though No, just an interesting moral dilemma to interpret. | |||
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" One could argue you’ve justified October 6th with your logic. One could argue that, yes. Arguing doesn't make them right, necessarily. It’s your logic though 100%. | |||
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" It’s still illegal The question is…. What should be done against a government ordering its troops into the street to shoot unarmed civilians. Nothing so far has worked. You may be of the opinion that some charter is more important that tens of thousands of lives and are quite happy to do nothing. I personally think that the UN was created to protect innocent people, not facilitate their slaughter at the hand of their own government | |||
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" It’s still illegal ‘Team America: World Police’ was not a documentary | |||
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" The UN secretary general has explicitly stated that the attacks violate international law. Iran armed Hamas to kill 1200 Jews including non Jew foreign nationals from 41 countries It’s a simple case of fuck around and find out. Does that stop these attacks being a breach of the UN charter? Is there a ‘fuck around and find out’ clause? There is now. Welcome to reality." 100% | |||
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" The UN secretary general has explicitly stated that the attacks violate international law. Iran armed Hamas to kill 1200 Jews including non Jew foreign nationals from 41 countries It’s a simple case of fuck around and find out. Does that stop these attacks being a breach of the UN charter? Is there a ‘fuck around and find out’ clause? There is now. Welcome to reality. 100% Did you support the invasion of Iraq? If not, why not? | |||
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" The UN secretary general has explicitly stated that the attacks violate international law. Iran armed Hamas to kill 1200 Jews including non Jew foreign nationals from 41 countries It’s a simple case of fuck around and find out. Does that stop these attacks being a breach of the UN charter? Is there a ‘fuck around and find out’ clause? There is now. Welcome to reality. 100% I’m not sure why Iraq is relevant to this? Iraq was an invasion over suspected future threats. The outcome we are seeing here is a response to an actual attack on Israel and sponsorship of proxies to also carry out attacks. What specific link are you drawing between Iraq in 2003 and strikes on Iran now? | |||
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" The UN secretary general has explicitly stated that the attacks violate international law. Iran armed Hamas to kill 1200 Jews including non Jew foreign nationals from 41 countries It’s a simple case of fuck around and find out. Does that stop these attacks being a breach of the UN charter? Is there a ‘fuck around and find out’ clause? There is now. Welcome to reality. 100% The fact that both are in breach of the UN charter. | |||
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" The UN secretary general has explicitly stated that the attacks violate international law. Iran armed Hamas to kill 1200 Jews including non Jew foreign nationals from 41 countries It’s a simple case of fuck around and find out. Does that stop these attacks being a breach of the UN charter? Is there a ‘fuck around and find out’ clause? There is now. Welcome to reality. 100% Un is full of shit. They chopped down 247 acres of rainforest to build the road to cop 30. Breaking their own climate change convention | |||
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" The UN secretary general has explicitly stated that the attacks violate international law. Iran armed Hamas to kill 1200 Jews including non Jew foreign nationals from 41 countries It’s a simple case of fuck around and find out. Does that stop these attacks being a breach of the UN charter? Is there a ‘fuck around and find out’ clause? There is now. Welcome to reality. 100% Let’s say you think the police are full of shit - does that mean you can rob a bank? | |||
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"Remember June 2025? Trump said that Iran’s nuclear sites had been ‘obliterated’ And yet in February officials were saying that Iran is “probably a week away from having industrial-grade bomb-making material” after discussing nuclear enrichment. It’s all very….. MAGA. " You are making this about Trump. The issue of nuclear inspection or lack of and the fact they were very close to weapons grade is a reality. | |||
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"Remember June 2025? Trump said that Iran’s nuclear sites had been ‘obliterated’ And yet in February officials were saying that Iran is “probably a week away from having industrial-grade bomb-making material” after discussing nuclear enrichment. It’s all very….. MAGA. You are making this about Trump. The issue of nuclear inspection or lack of and the fact they were very close to weapons grade is a reality. " None of which changes UN charter 2(4) | |||
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