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By (user no longer on site) OP 9 weeks ago
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An RAF base was bombed by a foreign power in what I think can be considered an unprovoked attack. Although I understand UK military adopted a defensive role to protect civilians in a 3rd party country, we have taken no action against the nation who sent the drone.
My question is fairly simple, what action should the British Government take when a foreign power bombs our military bases?
And the wider connotation is, how will the lack of any type of response be seen by The Russians and terrorists the world over?
Does doing nothing because of not wanting to trigger more action against us, actually trigger more action against us.
Because it seems the Labour government is more interested in defending mosques from theological threats than RAF bases from actual attacks. |
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"An RAF base was bombed by a foreign power in what I think can be considered an unprovoked attack. Although I understand UK military adopted a defensive role to protect civilians in a 3rd party country, we have taken no action against the nation who sent the drone.
My question is fairly simple, what action should the British Government take when a foreign power bombs our military bases?
And the wider connotation is, how will the lack of any type of response be seen by The Russians and terrorists the world over?
Does doing nothing because of not wanting to trigger more action against us, actually trigger more action against us.
Because it seems the Labour government is more interested in defending mosques from theological threats than RAF bases from actual attacks. "
Who sent the drone? Because yesterday we found out it didn’t come from within Iran.
Was it Iranian? Almost certainly - but this is why you don’t jump in with both feet.
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"So go to war based on what?
Unless 100% proven it was an attack from an aggressor then wait for all the evidence.
Cool heads save lives, we don't need a knee jerk reaction in the style of emperor Trump.
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"An RAF base was bombed by a foreign power in what I think can be considered an unprovoked attack. Although I understand UK military adopted a defensive role to protect civilians in a 3rd party country, we have taken no action against the nation who sent the drone.
My question is fairly simple, what action should the British Government take when a foreign power bombs our military bases?
And the wider connotation is, how will the lack of any type of response be seen by The Russians and terrorists the world over?
Does doing nothing because of not wanting to trigger more action against us, actually trigger more action against us.
Because it seems the Labour government is more interested in defending mosques from theological threats than RAF bases from actual attacks. "
When you say nothing..?
Adopting a defencive position at this time is exactly what the Gulf states are doing..
Any response in such things tends to be proportionate..
Not sure attacking somewhere in Lebanon that hezbolla launched a drone from adds anything and puts innocents at risk.. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP 9 weeks ago
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"So go to war based on what?
Unless 100% proven it was an attack from an aggressor then wait for all the evidence.
Cool heads save lives, we don't need a knee jerk reaction in the style of emperor Trump.
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If the attack on our base doesn’t make the people who sent it “aggressors”, then the Americans are definitely not aggressors either.
As for 100%. I’d say half the western worlds military satellites are pointing at the Middle East at the moment so I’d say the government know exactly where it came from, 100%. The only question would be if it’s the women on death row awaiting execution for showing their hair who sent it, or the government who have ordered their execution.
I think we both know the answer to that, even if it doesn’t suit your narrative, the answer is definitive.
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"So go to war based on what?
Unless 100% proven it was an attack from an aggressor then wait for all the evidence.
Cool heads save lives, we don't need a knee jerk reaction in the style of emperor Trump.
If the attack on our base doesn’t make the people who sent it “aggressors”, then the Americans are definitely not aggressors either.
As for 100%. I’d say half the western worlds military satellites are pointing at the Middle East at the moment so I’d say the government know exactly where it came from, 100%. The only question would be if it’s the women on death row awaiting execution for showing their hair who sent it, or the government who have ordered their execution.
I think we both know the answer to that, even if it doesn’t suit your narrative, the answer is definitive.
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My narrative??
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By (user no longer on site) 9 weeks ago
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"So go to war based on what?
Unless 100% proven it was an attack from an aggressor then wait for all the evidence.
Cool heads save lives, we don't need a knee jerk reaction in the style of emperor Trump.
If the attack on our base doesn’t make the people who sent it “aggressors”, then the Americans are definitely not aggressors either.
As for 100%. I’d say half the western worlds military satellites are pointing at the Middle East at the moment so I’d say the government know exactly where it came from, 100%. The only question would be if it’s the women on death row awaiting execution for showing their hair who sent it, or the government who have ordered their execution.
I think we both know the answer to that, even if it doesn’t suit your narrative, the answer is definitive.
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I think we also know that the intelligence folks, the military and the govt. are probably better placed to decide what course of action to take than anyone in this discussion. |
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"An RAF base was bombed by a foreign power in what I think can be considered an unprovoked attack. Although I understand UK military adopted a defensive role to protect civilians in a 3rd party country, we have taken no action against the nation who sent the drone.
My question is fairly simple, what action should the British Government take when a foreign power bombs our military bases?
And the wider connotation is, how will the lack of any type of response be seen by The Russians and terrorists the world over?
Does doing nothing because of not wanting to trigger more action against us, actually trigger more action against us.
Because it seems the Labour government is more interested in defending mosques from theological threats than RAF bases from actual attacks. "
What can you do when you don't know who sent it or from where ?
Carpet bomb every country within the range the drone came from ?
It's going to be a terrorist war started by the buffoon and for what ? The continuation of the old regime with more determination and hatred than ever ?
You don't poke a hornets nest, you smoke them out, except when you are trying to distract from something else before the midterms |
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The shared drone is traceable from satellite surveillance if the launch site is known and when its about to be sent..
But its not easy even when that information is known..
They fit into a large van or a lorry so easy to conceal prior to deployment..
Once they're launched without that and because of the height they can go down to which across an open ocean is pretty low and their speed its pretty difficult..
Hence the one that hit Akrotiri went undetected by Cypriot and Raf radar .. |
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My question is fairly simple, what action should the British Government take when a foreign power bombs our military bases?
Because it seems the Labour government is more interested in defending mosques from theological threats than RAF bases from actual attacks. "
New Labour and USA led in illegal war on Iraq.
150,000-250,000 killed
Two million homeless.
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Why would Hezbollah or anyone else launch one single solitary drone at Dhekali, Akrotiri or even Ayious Nikolaos? (Although you could conceivably see a valid reason for disabling the latter)
The C.I.A. on the other hand....  |
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"An RAF base was bombed by a foreign power in what I think can be considered an unprovoked attack. Although I understand UK military adopted a defensive role to protect civilians in a 3rd party country, we have taken no action against the nation who sent the drone.
My question is fairly simple, what action should the British Government take when a foreign power bombs our military bases?
And the wider connotation is, how will the lack of any type of response be seen by The Russians and terrorists the world over?
Does doing nothing because of not wanting to trigger more action against us, actually trigger more action against us.
Because it seems the Labour government is more interested in defending mosques from theological threats than RAF bases from actual attacks. "
Send Andrew out with a hand gun and let him fight them |
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"It was a false flag attack by the Zios
You're clueless!"
Irans continued threats to destroy Israel and America?
And the big unknown, at some point they do get the materials and a bigger icbm to reach further..?
Bit of clarity might help?
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"It was a false flag attack by the Zios
You're clueless!"
Don't forget Epstein, and oil prices, and tarrifs. It's all part on one big net by those naughty Zionists. 🤭 |
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By (user no longer on site) OP 9 weeks ago
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“I’ll have RAF bases for 200 please bob”
Q. When is it ok to attack a British military base?
1. When Starmer is PM
2. When you’re an Islamist terrorist organisation or a group that support one
3. When you’re a rogue nation that commits genocide against its own people
4. When some lefty on Fab says it’s ok
“Erm….. all of the above?”
That’s right, what have we got for her Jonny |
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"It was a false flag attack by the Zios
You're clueless!
Irans continued threats to destroy Israel and America?
And the big unknown, at some point they do get the materials and a bigger icbm to reach further..?
Bit of clarity might help?
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Rockets landed on
Cyprus
Israel
Quatar
Iraq
Jordan
UAE
Oman
Azerbaijan
Syria
And thousands of drones sold to Russia that have fallen on Ukraine.
Terrorist repressive state
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"It was a false flag attack by the Zios
You're clueless!
Don't forget Epstein, and oil prices, and tarrifs. It's all part on one big net by those naughty Zionists. 🤭"
Those are Trumps agenda, do keep up |
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"It was a false flag attack by the Zios
You're clueless!
Irans continued threats to destroy Israel and America?
And the big unknown, at some point they do get the materials and a bigger icbm to reach further..?
Bit of clarity might help?
Rockets landed on
Cyprus
Israel
Quatar
Iraq
Jordan
UAE
Oman
Azerbaijan
Syria
And thousands of drones sold to Russia that have fallen on Ukraine.
Terrorist repressive state
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Im aware of which countries have been attacked ta, it was a drone that got through to Akrotiri not a missile ..
Im also aware (who couldn't be) about Irans Shahed drones to Russia etc..
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By (user no longer on site) 9 weeks ago
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"It was a false flag attack by the Zios
You're clueless!
Don't forget Epstein, and oil prices, and tarrifs. It's all part on one big net by those naughty Zionists. 🤭
Those are Trumps agenda, do keep up"
Like all good conspiracy theories, it's far too complex for simple souls like me! 😘 |
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By (user no longer on site) 9 weeks ago
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Read something this week that gave me pause for thought, which is that Britain effectively ended the Atlantic sl@ve trade by entering other countries sovereign waters and stopping their sl@ve ships by force. Following the logic of 'international law' this would have been condemned by the UN had it existed, and by lawyers such as Sir Keir. |
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"Read something this week that gave me pause for thought, which is that Britain effectively ended the Atlantic sl@ve trade by entering other countries sovereign waters and stopping their sl@ve ships by force. Following the logic of 'international law' this would have been condemned by the UN had it existed, and by lawyers such as Sir Keir."
And the lefties in here mate. Many of the traders were black, it would have been considered racist 🤣 |
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Starmer so far is playing it as well as anyone could. To rush in gung ho in support would be foolish ...ask Blair how that worked out. Keep our cool don't risk lives to satisfy the morons demanding blood over a drone launched from or by ?
I have a feeling Trump thought Iran would have fallen in 48hrs. He isnt in this for a long campaign, let us not kill thousands of civilians to placate the anger and egos of the blood thirsty |
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I have a feeling Trump thought Iran would have fallen in 48hrs. He isnt in this for a long campaign, let us not kill thousands of civilians to placate the anger and egos of the blood thirsty"
Agreed. 1000 dead so far.
Trump thought they’d surrender. What a clown. |
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What with? A catapult,spud gun maybe? Going by our embarrasing armed forces we would ask for a 2 month grace period before we are attacked on home soil or abroad..the uk is basically fooked we have nothing to defend with..knocked off the world stage to 20th place |
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"What with? A catapult,spud gun maybe? Going by our embarrasing armed forces we would ask for a 2 month grace period before we are attacked on home soil or abroad..the uk is basically fooked we have nothing to defend with..knocked off the world stage to 20th place "
Trump today on uk
‘we don’t need people joining wars after we’ve won them’ |
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I have a feeling Trump thought Iran would have fallen in 48hrs. He isnt in this for a long campaign, let us not kill thousands of civilians to placate the anger and egos of the blood thirsty
Agreed. 1000 dead so far.
Trump thought they’d surrender. What a clown. "
150+ died in a school bombing |
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By (user no longer on site) 8 weeks ago
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"What with? A catapult,spud gun maybe? Going by our embarrasing armed forces we would ask for a 2 month grace period before we are attacked on home soil or abroad..the uk is basically fooked we have nothing to defend with..knocked off the world stage to 20th place
Trump today on uk
‘we don’t need people joining wars after we’ve won them’ "
No probs, Don. Have fun! |
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"Read something this week that gave me pause for thought, which is that Britain effectively ended the Atlantic sl@ve trade by entering other countries sovereign waters and stopping their sl@ve ships by force. Following the logic of 'international law' this would have been condemned by the UN had it existed, and by lawyers such as Sir Keir."
How does that compare to bombing the fuck out of another country because they were an "imminent" threat but weren't really"
Those bloody schoolgirls eh ? |
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The man child is sounding more delusional as the reality doesn't go exactly as his arrogant egotistical imagination assumed it must..
The issue being that the longer it is till he accepts the regime isn't going to be bombed into submission the further he will go along with the Israelis..
If the gulfs energy infrastructure is further targeted and possibly out of commission for months with what Iran might have in reserve the States will be ok but if the knock on is a global depression and tge regime are still in place..
What then, nukes?
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By (user no longer on site) 8 weeks ago
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"Read something this week that gave me pause for thought, which is that Britain effectively ended the Atlantic sl@ve trade by entering other countries sovereign waters and stopping their sl@ve ships by force. Following the logic of 'international law' this would have been condemned by the UN had it existed, and by lawyers such as Sir Keir.
How does that compare to bombing the fuck out of another country because they were an "imminent" threat but weren't really"
Those bloody schoolgirls eh ?"
If you don't understand I'm not sure I can explain.
The source of the bomb that landed on the school has still not been verified with no independent checks. It is possible it was an Iranian missiles that failed, or the 'school' was being used for military purposes, the tactic widely used by Hamas in Gaza. Either ways it's best to wait until we have clear proof before using it to score political points. |
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"Trump today on uk
‘we don’t need people joining wars after we’ve won them’"
This is the perfect opportunity for Starmer to say "Fair enough, we'll do what you say and stay out then. You can take back all of your aircraft currently on our bases". I think that the majority would admire Starmer standing up to Trump, and it'll make us look good to countries in the Middle East. |
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By (user no longer on site) 8 weeks ago
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"Read something this week that gave me pause for thought, which is that Britain effectively ended the Atlantic sl@ve trade by entering other countries sovereign waters and stopping their sl@ve ships by force. Following the logic of 'international law' this would have been condemned by the UN had it existed, and by lawyers such as Sir Keir.
How does that compare to bombing the fuck out of another country because they were an "imminent" threat but weren't really"
Those bloody schoolgirls eh ?
If you don't understand I'm not sure I can explain.
The source of the bomb that landed on the school has still not been verified with no independent checks. It is possible it was an Iranian missiles that failed, or the 'school' was being used for military purposes, the tactic widely used by Hamas in Gaza. Either ways it's best to wait until we have clear proof before using it to score political points."
A bit like the drone that hit Cyprus? |
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By (user no longer on site) 8 weeks ago
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"Trump today on uk
‘we don’t need people joining wars after we’ve won them’
This is the perfect opportunity for Starmer to say "Fair enough, we'll do what you say and stay out then. You can take back all of your aircraft currently on our bases". I think that the majority would admire Starmer standing up to Trump, and it'll make us look good to countries in the Middle East."
Which countries do we want to look good to, and what will they do for us ? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP 8 weeks ago
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Been some interesting comments on both sides.
One comment seemed to suggest the removal of all American military equipment from the UK.
Let’s take that one step further, just for the purposes of discussion. What if the US pull out of Western Europe entirely because Trump decides to not stand by countries who don’t stand by him?
With NATO in tatters, who’s next for Putin? The Baltic states?
If Trump isn’t gonna help the UK he’s certainly not gonna prop up Ukraine anymore. |
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"Been some interesting comments on both sides.
One comment seemed to suggest the removal of all American military equipment from the UK.
Let’s take that one step further, just for the purposes of discussion. What if the US pull out of Western Europe entirely because Trump decides to not stand by countries who don’t stand by him?
With NATO in tatters, who’s next for Putin? The Baltic states?
If Trump isn’t gonna help the UK he’s certainly not gonna prop up Ukraine anymore. "
Trump keeps talking about leaving NATO. He should put his cock on the table and do it, or stop whinging. The story is old, like the boy who cried Wolf. |
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"Been some interesting comments on both sides.
One comment seemed to suggest the removal of all American military equipment from the UK.
Let’s take that one step further, just for the purposes of discussion. What if the US pull out of Western Europe entirely because Trump decides to not stand by countries who don’t stand by him?
With NATO in tatters, who’s next for Putin? The Baltic states?
If Trump isn’t gonna help the UK he’s certainly not gonna prop up Ukraine anymore. "
As I suggested previously we must urgently revive the Home Guard, where the might of America's defence capabilities can be easily replaced with intense diversity training and air gun practice. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP 8 weeks ago
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"Been some interesting comments on both sides.
One comment seemed to suggest the removal of all American military equipment from the UK.
Let’s take that one step further, just for the purposes of discussion. What if the US pull out of Western Europe entirely because Trump decides to not stand by countries who don’t stand by him?
With NATO in tatters, who’s next for Putin? The Baltic states?
If Trump isn’t gonna help the UK he’s certainly not gonna prop up Ukraine anymore.
As I suggested previously we must urgently revive the Home Guard, where the might of America's defence capabilities can be easily replaced with intense diversity training and air gun practice."
They do say diversity is our strength. Can’t wait to see the green hair mob in the queue to enlist. As soon as the Russian special forces see those nose piercings and a pride flag on military uniforms they will run back to Moscow with their battlefield nukes in their bags |
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"Been some interesting comments on both sides.
One comment seemed to suggest the removal of all American military equipment from the UK.
Let’s take that one step further, just for the purposes of discussion. What if the US pull out of Western Europe entirely because Trump decides to not stand by countries who don’t stand by him?
With NATO in tatters, who’s next for Putin? The Baltic states?
If Trump isn’t gonna help the UK he’s certainly not gonna prop up Ukraine anymore.
As I suggested previously we must urgently revive the Home Guard, where the might of America's defence capabilities can be easily replaced with intense diversity training and air gun practice.
They do say diversity is our strength. Can’t wait to see the green hair mob in the queue to enlist. As soon as the Russian special forces see those nose piercings and a pride flag on military uniforms they will run back to Moscow with their battlefield nukes in their bags "
All regiments will be gender neutral, which could be a crucial advantage over Russian ballistic missiles. |
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"Been some interesting comments on both sides.
One comment seemed to suggest the removal of all American military equipment from the UK.
Let’s take that one step further, just for the purposes of discussion. What if the US pull out of Western Europe entirely because Trump decides to not stand by countries who don’t stand by him?
With NATO in tatters, who’s next for Putin? The Baltic states?
If Trump isn’t gonna help the UK he’s certainly not gonna prop up Ukraine anymore.
As I suggested previously we must urgently revive the Home Guard, where the might of America's defence capabilities can be easily replaced with intense diversity training and air gun practice.
They do say diversity is our strength. Can’t wait to see the green hair mob in the queue to enlist. As soon as the Russian special forces see those nose piercings and a pride flag on military uniforms they will run back to Moscow with their battlefield nukes in their bags "
Russia doesn’t need to invade. They just flood social media with bots which lobby for a puppet government to be put in place. The boomers and the uneducated fall for it and pretend like they’ll be better off. |
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"Been some interesting comments on both sides.
One comment seemed to suggest the removal of all American military equipment from the UK.
Let’s take that one step further, just for the purposes of discussion. What if the US pull out of Western Europe entirely because Trump decides to not stand by countries who don’t stand by him?
With NATO in tatters, who’s next for Putin? The Baltic states?
If Trump isn’t gonna help the UK he’s certainly not gonna prop up Ukraine anymore.
As I suggested previously we must urgently revive the Home Guard, where the might of America's defence capabilities can be easily replaced with intense diversity training and air gun practice.
They do say diversity is our strength. Can’t wait to see the green hair mob in the queue to enlist. As soon as the Russian special forces see those nose piercings and a pride flag on military uniforms they will run back to Moscow with their battlefield nukes in their bags
Russia doesn’t need to invade. They just flood social media with bots which lobby for a puppet government to be put in place. The boomers and the uneducated fall for it and pretend like they’ll be better off. "
I have many criticism of Starmer but hadn't previously seen him as Putin puppet, but that does make a lot of sense in explaining his appeasement policies and relationships with Ukrainian rent boys. |
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"Been some interesting comments on both sides.
One comment seemed to suggest the removal of all American military equipment from the UK.
Let’s take that one step further, just for the purposes of discussion. What if the US pull out of Western Europe entirely because Trump decides to not stand by countries who don’t stand by him?
With NATO in tatters, who’s next for Putin? The Baltic states?
If Trump isn’t gonna help the UK he’s certainly not gonna prop up Ukraine anymore.
As I suggested previously we must urgently revive the Home Guard, where the might of America's defence capabilities can be easily replaced with intense diversity training and air gun practice.
They do say diversity is our strength. Can’t wait to see the green hair mob in the queue to enlist. As soon as the Russian special forces see those nose piercings and a pride flag on military uniforms they will run back to Moscow with their battlefield nukes in their bags
Russia doesn’t need to invade. They just flood social media with bots which lobby for a puppet government to be put in place. The boomers and the uneducated fall for it and pretend like they’ll be better off.
I have many criticism of Starmer but hadn't previously seen him as Putin puppet, but that does make a lot of sense in explaining his appeasement policies and relationships with Ukrainian rent boys."
Isn’t it wonderful to live in a nation where we have free speech and you can make unsubstantiated smears against an official like that?
But also (according to the fabs forum) Starmer is a dictator and a communist.
A truly enlightened time that we live in.
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"Been some interesting comments on both sides.
One comment seemed to suggest the removal of all American military equipment from the UK.
Let’s take that one step further, just for the purposes of discussion. What if the US pull out of Western Europe entirely because Trump decides to not stand by countries who don’t stand by him?
With NATO in tatters, who’s next for Putin? The Baltic states?
If Trump isn’t gonna help the UK he’s certainly not gonna prop up Ukraine anymore.
As I suggested previously we must urgently revive the Home Guard, where the might of America's defence capabilities can be easily replaced with intense diversity training and air gun practice.
They do say diversity is our strength. Can’t wait to see the green hair mob in the queue to enlist. As soon as the Russian special forces see those nose piercings and a pride flag on military uniforms they will run back to Moscow with their battlefield nukes in their bags
Russia doesn’t need to invade. They just flood social media with bots which lobby for a puppet government to be put in place. The boomers and the uneducated fall for it and pretend like they’ll be better off. "
I think you’re a little confused over what a puppet government is. A foreign power putting in a puppet government would be one they can control, one that aligns with their ideology. A bit like they have in Belarus.
If the Russians put a puppet government in it would do stuff like cancel elections, betray our allies, cancel jury trials, incarcerate political opponents, put foreign nationals before own own citizens, reduce home grown food production, dismantle home grown energy production, get the police to beat up and arrest patriots, drag military personnel into court, shut down social media networks, introduce a tracking system to monitor the entire population, bring in facial tracking with a view to roll it out nationwide but allow criminals to cover their faces to avoid them.
That would never happen in this country. As you say, only uneducated idiots would go along with that. |
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That would never happen in this country. As you say, only uneducated idiots would go along with that. "
Well it would never happen in this country until the ma of the people, Farage is in place, sure |
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That would never happen in this country. As you say, only uneducated idiots would go along with that.
Well it would never happen in this country until the ma of the people, Farage is in place, sure "
I feel witty comebacks may not be your strong point.🤭 |
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That would never happen in this country. As you say, only uneducated idiots would go along with that.
Well it would never happen in this country until the ma of the people, Farage is in place, sure "
Yep, no British government would ever cancel elections, betray our allies, cancel jury trials, incarcerate political opponents, put foreign nationals before own own citizens, reduce home grown food production, dismantle home grown energy production, get the police to beat up and arrest patriots, drag military personnel into court, shut down social media networks, introduce a tracking system to monitor the entire population, bring in facial tracking with a view to roll it out nationwide but allow criminals to cover their faces to avoid them. Only a puppet government working for a foreign government would do shit line that.
If only we knew who Starmer was working for? Iran? North Korea? Russia? Let me think, what government do the cosy up to? What countries spies court cases collapse because Starmer ordered the evidence to be withheld? What country has spies in Labour MPs beds?
I’ll give you a clue. It begins with C and ends with hina |
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That would never happen in this country. As you say, only uneducated idiots would go along with that.
Well it would never happen in this country until the ma of the people, Farage is in place, sure
I feel witty comebacks may not be your strong point.🤭"
Well if one is going to tell lies about ‘cancelled elections’ and rent boys then what can you do? |
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That would never happen in this country. As you say, only uneducated idiots would go along with that.
Well it would never happen in this country until the ma of the people, Farage is in place, sure
Yep, no British government would ever cancel elections, betray our allies, cancel jury trials, incarcerate political opponents, put foreign nationals before own own citizens, reduce home grown food production, dismantle home grown energy production, get the police to beat up and arrest patriots, drag military personnel into court, shut down social media networks, introduce a tracking system to monitor the entire population, bring in facial tracking with a view to roll it out nationwide but allow criminals to cover their faces to avoid them. Only a puppet government working for a foreign government would do shit line that.
If only we knew who Starmer was working for? Iran? North Korea? Russia? Let me think, what government do the cosy up to? What countries spies court cases collapse because Starmer ordered the evidence to be withheld? What country has spies in Labour MPs beds?
I’ll give you a clue. It begins with C and ends with hina "
And the mega embassy to be built in the City against warnings from the security services and the Americans.🤦♂️ |
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That would never happen in this country. As you say, only uneducated idiots would go along with that.
Well it would never happen in this country until the ma of the people, Farage is in place, sure
Yep, no British government would ever cancel elections, betray our allies, cancel jury trials, incarcerate political opponents, put foreign nationals before own own citizens, reduce home grown food production, dismantle home grown energy production, get the police to beat up and arrest patriots, drag military personnel into court, shut down social media networks, introduce a tracking system to monitor the entire population, bring in facial tracking with a view to roll it out nationwide but allow criminals to cover their faces to avoid them. Only a puppet government working for a foreign government would do shit line that.
If only we knew who Starmer was working for? Iran? North Korea? Russia? Let me think, what government do the cosy up to? What countries spies court cases collapse because Starmer ordered the evidence to be withheld? What country has spies in Labour MPs beds?
I’ll give you a clue. It begins with C and ends with hina
And the mega embassy to be built in the City against warnings from the security services and the Americans.🤦♂️"
“No bodies with responsibility for national security, including HO and FCDO [the Home Office and Foreign Office], have raised concerns or objected to the proposal on the basis of the proximity of the cables or other underground infrastructure,”
But oh no, ‘The Americans’….
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"Still waiting to hear what these ‘cancelled’ elections were as well, tbf.
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No hope is there lol
When you’ve finished spitting the sand out your mouth, pop your head back in.
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"Still waiting to hear what these ‘cancelled’ elections were as well, tbf.
No hope is there lol
When you’ve finished spitting the sand out your mouth, pop your head back in.
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Which elections were cancelled? Should be a simple answer, no? |
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That would never happen in this country. As you say, only uneducated idiots would go along with that.
Well it would never happen in this country until the ma of the people, Farage is in place, sure
Yep, no British government would ever cancel elections, betray our allies, cancel jury trials, incarcerate political opponents, put foreign nationals before own own citizens, reduce home grown food production, dismantle home grown energy production, get the police to beat up and arrest patriots, drag military personnel into court, shut down social media networks, introduce a tracking system to monitor the entire population, bring in facial tracking with a view to roll it out nationwide but allow criminals to cover their faces to avoid them. Only a puppet government working for a foreign government would do shit line that.
If only we knew who Starmer was working for? Iran? North Korea? Russia? Let me think, what government do the cosy up to? What countries spies court cases collapse because Starmer ordered the evidence to be withheld? What country has spies in Labour MPs beds?
I’ll give you a clue. It begins with C and ends with hina "
Allies who have cause deaths and terrorist attacks domestically are not allies. America is the bad guy, strings pulled from Israel. |
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"Still waiting to hear what these ‘cancelled’ elections were as well, tbf.
No hope is there lol
When you’ve finished spitting the sand out your mouth, pop your head back in.
Which elections were cancelled? Should be a simple answer, no? "
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‘we don’t need people joining wars after we’ve won them’
This is the perfect opportunity for Starmer to say "Fair enough, we'll do what you say and stay out then. You can take back all of your aircraft currently on our bases". I think that the majority would admire Starmer standing up to Trump, and it'll make us look good to countries in the Middle East.
Which countries do we want to look good to, and what will they do for us ?"
Well for a start
"United Arab Emirates (UAE): The UAE is a primary partner, with total trade (exports + imports) amounting to roughly £25.3 billion in the four quarters to Q3 2025. The UK maintains a large surplus, with total exports (goods and services) to the UAE amounting to £15.9 billion in that period." |
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Its a bit of a strange trio of warmongers, Blair, Farage and Badenoch..
Perhaps they could hold a meeting wuth the families of our servicemen and women who gave their lives in Iraq and Afghanistan plus some of our surviving veterans who carry the wounds they suffered to explain face to face why they think its a good idea.. |
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"Its a bit of a strange trio of warmongers, Blair, Farage and Badenoch..
Perhaps they could hold a meeting wuth the families of our servicemen and women who gave their lives in Iraq and Afghanistan plus some of our surviving veterans who carry the wounds they suffered to explain face to face why they think its a good idea.."
You make the comparison with Iraq and Afghanistan a lot, but Trump is not sending force into Iran let alone asking former allies to do it, so the comparison doesn't really stand up.
Blair certainly has responsibility for our forces involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan but can't see how Farage or Kemi are implicated. |
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‘we don’t need people joining wars after we’ve won them’
This is the perfect opportunity for Starmer to say "Fair enough, we'll do what you say and stay out then. You can take back all of your aircraft currently on our bases". I think that the majority would admire Starmer standing up to Trump, and it'll make us look good to countries in the Middle East.
Which countries do we want to look good to, and what will they do for us ?
Well for a start
"United Arab Emirates (UAE): The UAE is a primary partner, with total trade (exports + imports) amounting to roughly £25.3 billion in the four quarters to Q3 2025. The UK maintains a large surplus, with total exports (goods and services) to the UAE amounting to £15.9 billion in that period.""
The UAE is one of the US's closest allies in the Middle East; I very much doubt if they are happy with Starmer's approach. |
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"Still waiting to hear what these ‘cancelled’ elections were as well, tbf.
No hope is there lol
When you’ve finished spitting the sand out your mouth, pop your head back in.
Which elections were cancelled? Should be a simple answer, no?
Hypotenuse "
So no elections were cancelled, then? |
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"Trump today on uk
‘we don’t need people joining wars after we’ve won them’
This is the perfect opportunity for Starmer to say "Fair enough, we'll do what you say and stay out then. You can take back all of your aircraft currently on our bases". I think that the majority would admire Starmer standing up to Trump, and it'll make us look good to countries in the Middle East.
Which countries do we want to look good to, and what will they do for us ?
Well for a start
"United Arab Emirates (UAE): The UAE is a primary partner, with total trade (exports + imports) amounting to roughly £25.3 billion in the four quarters to Q3 2025. The UK maintains a large surplus, with total exports (goods and services) to the UAE amounting to £15.9 billion in that period."
The UAE is one of the US's closest allies in the Middle East; I very much doubt if they are happy with Starmer's approach."
I'd say they're much less happy with the mango monkey .. but hey ..
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"Trump today on uk
‘we don’t need people joining wars after we’ve won them’"
"This is the perfect opportunity for Starmer to say "Fair enough, we'll do what you say and stay out then. You can take back all of your aircraft currently on our bases". I think that the majority would admire Starmer standing up to Trump, and it'll make us look good to countries in the Middle East."
"Which countries do we want to look good to, and what will they do for us ?"
I think we've done enough helping in the Middle East over the years that being seen to stay out of it will meet with general approval. It might not do us any good at all, but it also might help us to avoid the sort of reprisals that America is going to attract. |
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You make the comparison with Iraq and Afghanistan a lot, but Trump is not sending force into Iran
Didn't you see how statement today ?"
As soon as this war went beyond 3-4 days, it was always going to lead to a ground battle.
An enormous oversight to assume Iran would be bombed into prompt submission. |
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"Its a bit of a strange trio of warmongers, Blair, Farage and Badenoch..
Perhaps they could hold a meeting wuth the families of our servicemen and women who gave their lives in Iraq and Afghanistan plus some of our surviving veterans who carry the wounds they suffered to explain face to face why they think its a good idea..
You make the comparison with Iraq and Afghanistan a lot, but Trump is not sending force into Iran let alone asking former allies to do it, so the comparison doesn't really stand up.
Blair certainly has responsibility for our forces involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan but can't see how Farage or Kemi are implicated."
Yes I do..
Im not being impolite but are you actually serious? Even today he's spoken of troops inserted in to seize the weapons grade uranium..
Now doing actually think it'll happen, no because it would make the rescue attempt for the hostages in 1980 look like a success..
But its trump so who knows..
Escalation in the last week has taken place which is often the case especially something so poorly planned..
The comparison is valid.. |
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"Still waiting to hear what these ‘cancelled’ elections were as well, tbf.
No hope is there lol
When you’ve finished spitting the sand out your mouth, pop your head back in.
Which elections were cancelled? Should be a simple answer, no?
Hypotenuse
So no elections were cancelled, then? "
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"Its a bit of a strange trio of warmongers, Blair, Farage and Badenoch..
Perhaps they could hold a meeting wuth the families of our servicemen and women who gave their lives in Iraq and Afghanistan plus some of our surviving veterans who carry the wounds they suffered to explain face to face why they think its a good idea..
You make the comparison with Iraq and Afghanistan a lot, but Trump is not sending force into Iran let alone asking former allies to do it, so the comparison doesn't really stand up.
Blair certainly has responsibility for our forces involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan but can't see how Farage or Kemi are implicated.
Yes I do..
Im not being impolite but are you actually serious? Even today he's spoken of troops inserted in to seize the weapons grade uranium..
Now doing actually think it'll happen, no because it would make the rescue attempt for the hostages in 1980 look like a success..
But its trump so who knows..
Escalation in the last week has taken place which is often the case especially something so poorly planned..
The comparison is valid.."
Don't worry, I don't expect politeness from every poster 🤭
So to confirm, Trump at no point has asked the UK or anyone else to send ground forces.
Following your logic, you'd refuse to lend your closest friend £10 in case they asked to borrow £1000 in the future. I think in that circumstance the friend would be justified in thinking your friendship had come to an end. |
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You make the comparison with Iraq and Afghanistan a lot, but Trump is not sending force into Iran
Didn't you see how statement today ?"
What is 'how statement'? |
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"Trump today on uk
‘we don’t need people joining wars after we’ve won them’
This is the perfect opportunity for Starmer to say "Fair enough, we'll do what you say and stay out then. You can take back all of your aircraft currently on our bases". I think that the majority would admire Starmer standing up to Trump, and it'll make us look good to countries in the Middle East.
Which countries do we want to look good to, and what will they do for us ?
I think we've done enough helping in the Middle East over the years that being seen to stay out of it will meet with general approval. It might not do us any good at all, but it also might help us to avoid the sort of reprisals that America is going to attract."
Well of course all political decisions are a gamble of sorts, but Starmer's track record strongly suggests he will make the wrong choice in almost every situation. |
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"Its a bit of a strange trio of warmongers, Blair, Farage and Badenoch..
Perhaps they could hold a meeting wuth the families of our servicemen and women who gave their lives in Iraq and Afghanistan plus some of our surviving veterans who carry the wounds they suffered to explain face to face why they think its a good idea..
You make the comparison with Iraq and Afghanistan a lot, but Trump is not sending force into Iran let alone asking former allies to do it, so the comparison doesn't really stand up.
Blair certainly has responsibility for our forces involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan but can't see how Farage or Kemi are implicated.
Yes I do..
Im not being impolite but are you actually serious? Even today he's spoken of troops inserted in to seize the weapons grade uranium..
Now doing actually think it'll happen, no because it would make the rescue attempt for the hostages in 1980 look like a success..
But its trump so who knows..
Escalation in the last week has taken place which is often the case especially something so poorly planned..
The comparison is valid..
Don't worry, I don't expect politeness from every poster 🤭
So to confirm, Trump at no point has asked the UK or anyone else to send ground forces.
Following your logic, you'd refuse to lend your closest friend £10 in case they asked to borrow £1000 in the future. I think in that circumstance the friend would be justified in thinking your friendship had come to an end."
If you ask your friend to lend you a tenner and they say no, the conversation is over. If you terminate the friendship over it, you’re the problem
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"Its a bit of a strange trio of warmongers, Blair, Farage and Badenoch..
Perhaps they could hold a meeting wuth the families of our servicemen and women who gave their lives in Iraq and Afghanistan plus some of our surviving veterans who carry the wounds they suffered to explain face to face why they think its a good idea..
You make the comparison with Iraq and Afghanistan a lot, but Trump is not sending force into Iran let alone asking former allies to do it, so the comparison doesn't really stand up.
Blair certainly has responsibility for our forces involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan but can't see how Farage or Kemi are implicated.
Yes I do..
Im not being impolite but are you actually serious? Even today he's spoken of troops inserted in to seize the weapons grade uranium..
Now doing actually think it'll happen, no because it would make the rescue attempt for the hostages in 1980 look like a success..
But its trump so who knows..
Escalation in the last week has taken place which is often the case especially something so poorly planned..
The comparison is valid..
Don't worry, I don't expect politeness from every poster 🤭
So to confirm, Trump at no point has asked the UK or anyone else to send ground forces.
Following your logic, you'd refuse to lend your closest friend £10 in case they asked to borrow £1000 in the future. I think in that circumstance the friend would be justified in thinking your friendship had come to an end.
If you ask your friend to lend you a tenner and they say no, the conversation is over. If you terminate the friendship over it, you’re the problem
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"Its a bit of a strange trio of warmongers, Blair, Farage and Badenoch..
Perhaps they could hold a meeting wuth the families of our servicemen and women who gave their lives in Iraq and Afghanistan plus some of our surviving veterans who carry the wounds they suffered to explain face to face why they think its a good idea..
You make the comparison with Iraq and Afghanistan a lot, but Trump is not sending force into Iran let alone asking former allies to do it, so the comparison doesn't really stand up.
Blair certainly has responsibility for our forces involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan but can't see how Farage or Kemi are implicated.
Yes I do..
Im not being impolite but are you actually serious? Even today he's spoken of troops inserted in to seize the weapons grade uranium..
Now doing actually think it'll happen, no because it would make the rescue attempt for the hostages in 1980 look like a success..
But its trump so who knows..
Escalation in the last week has taken place which is often the case especially something so poorly planned..
The comparison is valid..
Don't worry, I don't expect politeness from every poster 🤭
So to confirm, Trump at no point has asked the UK or anyone else to send ground forces.
Following your logic, you'd refuse to lend your closest friend £10 in case they asked to borrow £1000 in the future. I think in that circumstance the friend would be justified in thinking your friendship had come to an end."
Your blind faith in the bumbling fool is a wonderful thing.. 
Not yet publicly but even after being put on the spot by israel taking out the Atatollah the nature of military and strategic policy all options will be discussed, strategies in the current campaign to compare with the ones already done..
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"Its a bit of a strange trio of warmongers, Blair, Farage and Badenoch..
Perhaps they could hold a meeting wuth the families of our servicemen and women who gave their lives in Iraq and Afghanistan plus some of our surviving veterans who carry the wounds they suffered to explain face to face why they think its a good idea..
You make the comparison with Iraq and Afghanistan a lot, but Trump is not sending force into Iran let alone asking former allies to do it, so the comparison doesn't really stand up.
Blair certainly has responsibility for our forces involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan but can't see how Farage or Kemi are implicated.
Yes I do..
Im not being impolite but are you actually serious? Even today he's spoken of troops inserted in to seize the weapons grade uranium..
Now doing actually think it'll happen, no because it would make the rescue attempt for the hostages in 1980 look like a success..
But its trump so who knows..
Escalation in the last week has taken place which is often the case especially something so poorly planned..
The comparison is valid..
Don't worry, I don't expect politeness from every poster 🤭
So to confirm, Trump at no point has asked the UK or anyone else to send ground forces.
Following your logic, you'd refuse to lend your closest friend £10 in case they asked to borrow £1000 in the future. I think in that circumstance the friend would be justified in thinking your friendship had come to an end.
Your blind faith in the bumbling fool is a wonderful thing..
Not yet publicly but even after being put on the spot by israel taking out the Atatollah the nature of military and strategic policy all options will be discussed, strategies in the current campaign to compare with the ones already done..
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Nice swerve.😉
I'd say it's more a case of extreme dislike for one person clouding your judgement of a complex situation with multiple elements and possible outcomes. I remember Trump's ceasefire deal in Gaza being widely ridiculed yet it has largely held, and 1000s of lives have been saved as a result. Equally his removal of Maduro in Venezuela led to predictable forecasts of chaos in that country which thankfully has not come to pass. His obvious hyperbole over Greenland triggered outrage on the lame left yet the 'crisis' soon blew over.
In short, partisan hatred is no way to judge any situation. |
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There’s always consequences. "
Sadly in this situation he won't suffer any negative consequences; in fact he is likely to boost his Electoral popularity which is obviously the main factor in his decision. |
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"Its a bit of a strange trio of warmongers, Blair, Farage and Badenoch..
Perhaps they could hold a meeting wuth the families of our servicemen and women who gave their lives in Iraq and Afghanistan plus some of our surviving veterans who carry the wounds they suffered to explain face to face why they think its a good idea..
You make the comparison with Iraq and Afghanistan a lot, but Trump is not sending force into Iran let alone asking former allies to do it, so the comparison doesn't really stand up.
Blair certainly has responsibility for our forces involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan but can't see how Farage or Kemi are implicated.
Yes I do..
Im not being impolite but are you actually serious? Even today he's spoken of troops inserted in to seize the weapons grade uranium..
Now doing actually think it'll happen, no because it would make the rescue attempt for the hostages in 1980 look like a success..
But its trump so who knows..
Escalation in the last week has taken place which is often the case especially something so poorly planned..
The comparison is valid..
Don't worry, I don't expect politeness from every poster 🤭
So to confirm, Trump at no point has asked the UK or anyone else to send ground forces.
Following your logic, you'd refuse to lend your closest friend £10 in case they asked to borrow £1000 in the future. I think in that circumstance the friend would be justified in thinking your friendship had come to an end.
Your blind faith in the bumbling fool is a wonderful thing..
Not yet publicly but even after being put on the spot by israel taking out the Atatollah the nature of military and strategic policy all options will be discussed, strategies in the current campaign to compare with the ones already done..
Nice swerve.😉
I'd say it's more a case of extreme dislike for one person clouding your judgement of a complex situation with multiple elements and possible outcomes. I remember Trump's ceasefire deal in Gaza being widely ridiculed yet it has largely held, and 1000s of lives have been saved as a result. Equally his removal of Maduro in Venezuela led to predictable forecasts of chaos in that country which thankfully has not come to pass. His obvious hyperbole over Greenland triggered outrage on the lame left yet the 'crisis' soon blew over.
In short, partisan hatred is no way to judge any situation."
Its not a swerve..
I said not yet in response and even if he had done we the public wouldn't know initially..
That's ok I had the same thought process about bush and Blair, my judgement upon such things is based on more than blind adoration for any individual..
Its based upon experience albeit down the food chain and the outcomes for ex colleagues..
Blair was a cunt as a leader, sending our troops to face IEDs many from the IRGC strangely enough in soft skinned vehicles was sheer negligence and his lickspitle support for trump is no surprise..
Its a totally invalid comparison to talk about maduro and how that might pan out and going on now..
And just how bad things will get no one, certainly not the man child knows..
His language so far is something that if Biden had been as all over the place on would have brought derision and head scratching from anyone involved..
Trump is out of his depth.. |
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"Its a bit of a strange trio of warmongers, Blair, Farage and Badenoch..
Perhaps they could hold a meeting wuth the families of our servicemen and women who gave their lives in Iraq and Afghanistan plus some of our surviving veterans who carry the wounds they suffered to explain face to face why they think its a good idea..
You make the comparison with Iraq and Afghanistan a lot, but Trump is not sending force into Iran let alone asking former allies to do it, so the comparison doesn't really stand up.
Blair certainly has responsibility for our forces involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan but can't see how Farage or Kemi are implicated.
Yes I do..
Im not being impolite but are you actually serious? Even today he's spoken of troops inserted in to seize the weapons grade uranium..
Now doing actually think it'll happen, no because it would make the rescue attempt for the hostages in 1980 look like a success..
But its trump so who knows..
Escalation in the last week has taken place which is often the case especially something so poorly planned..
The comparison is valid..
Don't worry, I don't expect politeness from every poster 🤭
So to confirm, Trump at no point has asked the UK or anyone else to send ground forces.
Following your logic, you'd refuse to lend your closest friend £10 in case they asked to borrow £1000 in the future. I think in that circumstance the friend would be justified in thinking your friendship had come to an end.
Your blind faith in the bumbling fool is a wonderful thing..
Not yet publicly but even after being put on the spot by israel taking out the Atatollah the nature of military and strategic policy all options will be discussed, strategies in the current campaign to compare with the ones already done..
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Oh don’t mistake me for a fan of Starmer. Centrist politics aren’t my thing.
But then again, nor are illegal wars. |
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"Its a bit of a strange trio of warmongers, Blair, Farage and Badenoch..
Perhaps they could hold a meeting wuth the families of our servicemen and women who gave their lives in Iraq and Afghanistan plus some of our surviving veterans who carry the wounds they suffered to explain face to face why they think its a good idea..
You make the comparison with Iraq and Afghanistan a lot, but Trump is not sending force into Iran let alone asking former allies to do it, so the comparison doesn't really stand up.
Blair certainly has responsibility for our forces involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan but can't see how Farage or Kemi are implicated.
Yes I do..
Im not being impolite but are you actually serious? Even today he's spoken of troops inserted in to seize the weapons grade uranium..
Now doing actually think it'll happen, no because it would make the rescue attempt for the hostages in 1980 look like a success..
But its trump so who knows..
Escalation in the last week has taken place which is often the case especially something so poorly planned..
The comparison is valid..
Don't worry, I don't expect politeness from every poster 🤭
So to confirm, Trump at no point has asked the UK or anyone else to send ground forces.
Following your logic, you'd refuse to lend your closest friend £10 in case they asked to borrow £1000 in the future. I think in that circumstance the friend would be justified in thinking your friendship had come to an end.
Your blind faith in the bumbling fool is a wonderful thing..
Not yet publicly but even after being put on the spot by israel taking out the Atatollah the nature of military and strategic policy all options will be discussed, strategies in the current campaign to compare with the ones already done..
Oh don’t mistake me for a fan of Starmer. Centrist politics aren’t my thing.
But then again, nor are illegal wars. "
I didn't..
Though I agree on the latter point.. |
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You make the comparison with Iraq and Afghanistan a lot, but Trump is not sending force into Iran
Didn't you see how statement today ?
What is 'how statement'?"
How he's going to put US boots on the ground in Iran of course 🙄 |
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This is the perfect opportunity for Starmer to say "Fair enough, we'll do what you say and stay out then. You can take back all of your aircraft currently on our bases". I think that the majority would admire Starmer standing up to Trump, and it'll make us look good to countries in the Middle East.
Which countries do we want to look good to, and what will they do for us ?
I think we've done enough helping in the Middle East over the years that being seen to stay out of it will meet with general approval. It might not do us any good at all, but it also might help us to avoid the sort of reprisals that America is going to attract.
Well of course all political decisions are a gamble of sorts, but Starmer's track record strongly suggests he will make the wrong choice in almost every situation."
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"Starmer has the right to withhold support. But what is it that’s said so often in here with regards to free speech…..
There’s always consequences.
Sadly in this situation he won't suffer any negative consequences; in fact he is likely to boost his Electoral popularity which is obviously the main factor in his decision."
Yeah his decision will appeal to the left and as you say, that’s a big factor in his choices thus far. Not sure how long that will continue
But I think he’s caused massive damage to the special relationship, not just with Trump but whoever succeeds him as republican candidate. |
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You make the comparison with Iraq and Afghanistan a lot, but Trump is not sending force into Iran
Didn't you see how statement today ?
What is 'how statement'?
How he's going to put US boots on the ground in Iran of course 🙄"
From his very hot spokesperson today: 'Ground troops "not part of the current plan right now, but the president wisely keeps his options on the table".'
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"Trump today on uk
‘we don’t need people joining wars after we’ve won them’
This is the perfect opportunity for Starmer to say "Fair enough, we'll do what you say and stay out then. You can take back all of your aircraft currently on our bases". I think that the majority would admire Starmer standing up to Trump, and it'll make us look good to countries in the Middle East.
Which countries do we want to look good to, and what will they do for us ?
I think we've done enough helping in the Middle East over the years that being seen to stay out of it will meet with general approval. It might not do us any good at all, but it also might help us to avoid the sort of reprisals that America is going to attract.
Well of course all political decisions are a gamble of sorts, but Starmer's track record strongly suggests he will make the wrong choice in almost every situation.
A bit like TACO then 🤣🤣"
Well Trump must have made enough good decisions to be re-elected with an outright majority in 2024. I'd happily bet you as much as you like that Sir Keir won't ever win another national election. |
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You make the comparison with Iraq and Afghanistan a lot, but Trump is not sending force into Iran
Didn't you see how statement today ?
What is 'how statement'?
How he's going to put US boots on the ground in Iran of course 🙄
From his very hot spokesperson today: 'Ground troops "not part of the current plan right now, but the president wisely keeps his options on the table".'
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No boots on the ground = no unconditional surrender.
Of course Trump may try to get some other nation’s infantry involved - that would be a very ‘him’ move. |
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"Trump today on uk
‘we don’t need people joining wars after we’ve won them’
This is the perfect opportunity for Starmer to say "Fair enough, we'll do what you say and stay out then. You can take back all of your aircraft currently on our bases". I think that the majority would admire Starmer standing up to Trump, and it'll make us look good to countries in the Middle East.
Which countries do we want to look good to, and what will they do for us ?
I think we've done enough helping in the Middle East over the years that being seen to stay out of it will meet with general approval. It might not do us any good at all, but it also might help us to avoid the sort of reprisals that America is going to attract.
Well of course all political decisions are a gamble of sorts, but Starmer's track record strongly suggests he will make the wrong choice in almost every situation.
A bit like TACO then 🤣🤣
Well Trump must have made enough good decisions to be re-elected with an outright majority in 2024. I'd happily bet you as much as you like that Sir Keir won't ever win another national election."
Sometimes majorities choose the wrong thing though, don’t they? |
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"I'd happily bet you as much as you like that Sir Keir won't ever win another national election."
Imagine the odds they’d have to offer to get anyone to bet on that 😮
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"Starmer has the right to withhold support. But what is it that’s said so often in here with regards to free speech…..
There’s always consequences.
Sadly in this situation he won't suffer any negative consequences; in fact he is likely to boost his Electoral popularity which is obviously the main factor in his decision.
Yeah his decision will appeal to the left and as you say, that’s a big factor in his choices thus far. Not sure how long that will continue
But I think he’s caused massive damage to the special relationship, not just with Trump but whoever succeeds him as republican candidate. "
trump has no respect for the special relationship happily shits on it when it suits him. His only interest as usual is when he gets to pose on a stage somewhere be it with the queen of king or whoever. Guess I an just a daft leftie thought for thinking that
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"I'd happily bet you as much as you like that Sir Keir won't ever win another national election.
Imagine the odds they’d have to offer to get anyone to bet on that 😮
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Though according to a ‘More in Common’ poll, reform are the UK’s most disliked party… |
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We should not be aiming to increase hostility with Iran any further than the illegal attacks against this sovereign state, killing their head of state. We should certainly aim to ensure that our military presence in Cyprus is protected. |
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"Starmer has the right to withhold support. But what is it that’s said so often in here with regards to free speech…..
There’s always consequences.
Sadly in this situation he won't suffer any negative consequences; in fact he is likely to boost his Electoral popularity which is obviously the main factor in his decision.
Yeah his decision will appeal to the left and as you say, that’s a big factor in his choices thus far. Not sure how long that will continue
But I think he’s caused massive damage to the special relationship, not just with Trump but whoever succeeds him as republican candidate.
trump has no respect for the special relationship happily shits on it when it suits him. His only interest as usual is when he gets to pose on a stage somewhere be it with the queen of king or whoever. Guess I an just a daft leftie thought for thinking that
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I’m not a fan of Trump, but on the world stage individual leaders have to play nicely with the other children. There are some who don’t and Trump is one of those, Putin is another, but they don’t need to to the same extent. |
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"Though according to a ‘More in Common’ poll, reform are the UK’s most disliked party…"
Can anyone find the actual data for this poll? It doesn't appear on More in Common's website and the reporting on it is ... somewhat one sided. |
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"Though according to a ‘More in Common’ poll, reform are the UK’s most disliked party…
Can anyone find the actual data for this poll? It doesn't appear on More in Common's website and the reporting on it is ... somewhat one sided."
I won't link but the polling was actually about tactical voting with 38% staying they'd vote tactically to keep Reform out and 34% would do it against Labour. I don't believe the word 'dislike' was used and of course those figures reflect the fact that Reform tops the polls atm and Labour is in Govt. |
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"Though according to a ‘More in Common’ poll, reform are the UK’s most disliked party…"
"Can anyone find the actual data for this poll? It doesn't appear on More in Common's website and the reporting on it is ... somewhat one sided."
"I won't link but the polling was actually about tactical voting with 38% staying they'd vote tactically to keep Reform out and 34% would do it against Labour. I don't believe the word 'dislike' was used and of course those figures reflect the fact that Reform tops the polls atm and Labour is in Govt."
I got those figures from Unherd, but I can't find the raw data, or any mention of the poll on MiC's site. I'm beginning to think that it may have been misreported.
If it's real, I'd be very interested to see the tactical voting numbers for the Tories and the Greens. |
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Found it. It's in a tweet from one of the bosses at More in Common, not a published poll. The question was "If you were able to vote against one party in a general election, which party would you vote against". Predictably, Labour, Liberal, and Green voters would vote against Reform, and Tory and Reform voters would vote against Labour.
It's interesting that Tory and Reform voters still think that Labour is a force to contend with, and don't see a need to vote against the Greens. It'll be interesting to see how that changes over time. |
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"Mojtaba Khamenei Is the new supreme leader of Iran, succeeding his father.
Trump will send another few barrages over tomorrow for not being consulted. "
i give him less than a week before a missile takes him out just like his dear old dad |
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"Mojtaba Khamenei Is the new supreme leader of Iran, succeeding his father.
Trump will send another few barrages over tomorrow for not being consulted. i give him less than a week before a missile takes him out just like his dear old dad"
Good old bit of regime change though eh? Well done Donald. |
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"Mojtaba Khamenei Is the new supreme leader of Iran, succeeding his father.
Trump will send another few barrages over tomorrow for not being consulted. i give him less than a week before a missile takes him out just like his dear old dad
Good old bit of regime change though eh? Well done Donald. "
I wonder if, going by Trumps latest statement to the media that the war is nearly complete indicates that he thinks replacing the older Khamenei with the younger Khamenei means hes changed the regime.. |
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Where Trump has misjudged the British response is that he hasn't understood that most Brits aren't sufficiently interested in the iternal workings of faraway countries.
What they are far more bothered about is the pump price at the petrol stations and his name is now well and truly mud amongst those who have to pay for their own fuel.
People knew that there would be the usual price hike for Mothering Sunday but they weren't expecting a kick in the teeth of this magnitude, directly attributable to Donald Trump.
It is interesting to note that the handful of sycophants he had on Fab now seem to have gone very quiet about him... |
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"Been widely reported that the new Mad Mullah has property in London worth between 50 and 100m. No idea why this hasn't been seized as Russian assets were?"
This, and sanctions surely would have been more successful than trumps military adventure |
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By *otMe66Man 8 weeks ago
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"Where Trump has misjudged the British response is that he hasn't understood that most Brits aren't sufficiently interested in the iternal workings of faraway countries.
What they are far more bothered about is the pump price at the petrol stations and his name is now well and truly mud amongst those who have to pay for their own fuel.
People knew that there would be the usual price hike for Mothering Sunday but they weren't expecting a kick in the teeth of this magnitude, directly attributable to Donald Trump.
It is interesting to note that the handful of sycophants he had on Fab now seem to have gone very quiet about him..."
Fair, but equally fair is the media that encourage those that are not bothered to be bothered. |
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"Been widely reported that the new Mad Mullah has property in London worth between 50 and 100m. No idea why this hasn't been seized as Russian assets were?"
Some Russian assets were seized to appease the bravado of sanctions. The problem is, the majority of assets are astoundingly hidden through shell companies, holdings, phantom companies, it is impossible to prove ownership to successfully seize them. |
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"Been widely reported that the new Mad Mullah has property in London worth between 50 and 100m. No idea why this hasn't been seized as Russian assets were?
Some Russian assets were seized to appease the bravado of sanctions. The problem is, the majority of assets are astoundingly hidden through shell companies, holdings, phantom companies, it is impossible to prove ownership to successfully seize them."
That is true. However property is registered at hm land registry, so if in doubt a charge can be placed preventing sale or transfer until ownership is proven (and by who) |
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By *l_xxxMan 8 weeks ago
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We've started a response. We've inflated the dinghy, waited for the Amazon to deliver the missing parts, wound the spring the clockwork motor and launched our fleet of 1.
Listening to an ex-naval advisor on the news, 30 years of mothballing to save money (where that went is a mystery) has resulted in pitiful naval power. This country needs to wake up and not hang onto the "Empire/we won the war" delusion that we are still a powerful nation. A bit like we are great at football cos we won it 60 years ago. |
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"Reports that Starmer is considering taking HMS Victory out of mothballs just in case."
Well it’s still the flagship of the first sea lord, and officially still in commission…. |
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Breaking story today: 'Foreign Office staff attended a party celebrating the Islamic revolution just weeks after Iran massacred thousands of its own people.
On the same day, it was estimated that 219 children had been killed in the latest wave of protests.'
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"Breaking story today: 'Foreign Office staff attended a party celebrating the Islamic revolution just weeks after Iran massacred thousands of its own people.
On the same day, it was estimated that 219 children had been killed in the latest wave of protests.'
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the claim as presented is not an accurate reflection of current events. Here is a breakdown of why this post is misleading and the actual context of the situation:
1. The "Massacre" Context
The post refers to a "massacre" of thousands and the death of 219 children. This aligns with reports from the January 2026 protests in Iran (often called the Dey 1404 uprising), where human rights groups reported that Iranian security forces killed thousands of protesters. This was followed by a joint US-Israeli military intervention in late February 2026.
2. The "Party" Claim
The "party" mentioned is likely a reference to the annual diplomatic reception held by the Iranian Embassy in London to mark the anniversary of the 1979 Islamic Revolution (usually held around February 11th).
Diplomatic Reality: It is standard international protocol for "working-level" officials from the Foreign, Commonwealth & Development Office (FCDO) to attend national day events of countries with which the UK maintains diplomatic relations—even those with whom relations are extremely strained.
Correction: Attending a formal diplomatic function is not a "celebration" of the regime's actions or the revolution itself; it is a channel for maintaining basic diplomatic communication. In previous years (such as 2023 and 2024), similar attendance by junior officials sparked public outcry, but the UK government maintained that "engagement does not equal endorsement."
3. Misinformation Elements
The post uses several common tactics found in political disinformation:
Inflammatory Language: Using the word "party" instead of "diplomatic reception" suggests a festive mood that does not exist in these formal settings.
The "HMS Victory" Comment: The top of the image includes a joke about Keir Starmer and "HMS Defeat." This indicates the post is from a highly partisan or satirical environment rather than a news source.
Emotional Weight: By juxtaposing the death of children directly with the "party," the post aims to provoke an emotional reaction rather than provide a nuanced look at how international diplomacy works during a crisis. |
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"Breaking story today: 'Foreign Office staff attended a party celebrating the Islamic revolution just weeks after Iran massacred thousands of its own people.
On the same day, it was estimated that 219 children had been killed in the latest wave of protests.'
the claim as presented is not an accurate reflection of current events. Here is a breakdown of why this post is misleading and the actual context of the situation:
1. The "Massacre" Context
The post refers to a "massacre" of thousands and the death of 219 children. This aligns with reports from the January 2026 protests in Iran (often called the Dey 1404 uprising), where human rights groups reported that Iranian security forces killed thousands of protesters. This was followed by a joint US-Israeli military intervention in late February 2026.
2. The "Party" Claim
The "party" mentioned is likely a reference to the annual diplomatic reception held by the Iranian Embassy in London to mark the anniversary of the 1979 Islamic Revolution (usually held around February 11th).
Diplomatic Reality: It is standard international protocol for "working-level" officials from the Foreign, Commonwealth & Development Office (FCDO) to attend national day events of countries with which the UK maintains diplomatic relations—even those with whom relations are extremely strained.
Correction: Attending a formal diplomatic function is not a "celebration" of the regime's actions or the revolution itself; it is a channel for maintaining basic diplomatic communication. In previous years (such as 2023 and 2024), similar attendance by junior officials sparked public outcry, but the UK government maintained that "engagement does not equal endorsement."
3. Misinformation Elements
The post uses several common tactics found in political disinformation:
Inflammatory Language: Using the word "party" instead of "diplomatic reception" suggests a festive mood that does not exist in these formal settings.
The "HMS Victory" Comment: The top of the image includes a joke about Keir Starmer and "HMS Defeat." This indicates the post is from a highly partisan or satirical environment rather than a news source.
Emotional Weight: By juxtaposing the death of children directly with the "party," the post aims to provoke an emotional reaction rather than provide a nuanced look at how international diplomacy works during a crisis."
Blimey, I'm honoured! 🫡 |
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"Breaking story today: 'Foreign Office staff attended a party celebrating the Islamic revolution just weeks after Iran massacred thousands of its own people.
On the same day, it was estimated that 219 children had been killed in the latest wave of protests.'
the claim as presented is not an accurate reflection of current events. Here is a breakdown of why this post is misleading and the actual context of the situation:
1. The "Massacre" Context
The post refers to a "massacre" of thousands and the death of 219 children. This aligns with reports from the January 2026 protests in Iran (often called the Dey 1404 uprising), where human rights groups reported that Iranian security forces killed thousands of protesters. This was followed by a joint US-Israeli military intervention in late February 2026.
2. The "Party" Claim
The "party" mentioned is likely a reference to the annual diplomatic reception held by the Iranian Embassy in London to mark the anniversary of the 1979 Islamic Revolution (usually held around February 11th).
Diplomatic Reality: It is standard international protocol for "working-level" officials from the Foreign, Commonwealth & Development Office (FCDO) to attend national day events of countries with which the UK maintains diplomatic relations—even those with whom relations are extremely strained.
Correction: Attending a formal diplomatic function is not a "celebration" of the regime's actions or the revolution itself; it is a channel for maintaining basic diplomatic communication. In previous years (such as 2023 and 2024), similar attendance by junior officials sparked public outcry, but the UK government maintained that "engagement does not equal endorsement."
3. Misinformation Elements
The post uses several common tactics found in political disinformation:
Inflammatory Language: Using the word "party" instead of "diplomatic reception" suggests a festive mood that does not exist in these formal settings.
The "HMS Victory" Comment: The top of the image includes a joke about Keir Starmer and "HMS Defeat." This indicates the post is from a highly partisan or satirical environment rather than a news source.
Emotional Weight: By juxtaposing the death of children directly with the "party," the post aims to provoke an emotional reaction rather than provide a nuanced look at how international diplomacy works during a crisis.
Blimey, I'm honoured! 🫡"
You should be, master of disinformation, certainly an honour. |
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"Breaking story today: 'Foreign Office staff attended a party celebrating the Islamic revolution just weeks after Iran massacred thousands of its own people.
On the same day, it was estimated that 219 children had been killed in the latest wave of protests.'
the claim as presented is not an accurate reflection of current events. Here is a breakdown of why this post is misleading and the actual context of the situation:
1. The "Massacre" Context
The post refers to a "massacre" of thousands and the death of 219 children. This aligns with reports from the January 2026 protests in Iran (often called the Dey 1404 uprising), where human rights groups reported that Iranian security forces killed thousands of protesters. This was followed by a joint US-Israeli military intervention in late February 2026.
2. The "Party" Claim
The "party" mentioned is likely a reference to the annual diplomatic reception held by the Iranian Embassy in London to mark the anniversary of the 1979 Islamic Revolution (usually held around February 11th).
Diplomatic Reality: It is standard international protocol for "working-level" officials from the Foreign, Commonwealth & Development Office (FCDO) to attend national day events of countries with which the UK maintains diplomatic relations—even those with whom relations are extremely strained.
Correction: Attending a formal diplomatic function is not a "celebration" of the regime's actions or the revolution itself; it is a channel for maintaining basic diplomatic communication. In previous years (such as 2023 and 2024), similar attendance by junior officials sparked public outcry, but the UK government maintained that "engagement does not equal endorsement."
3. Misinformation Elements
The post uses several common tactics found in political disinformation:
Inflammatory Language: Using the word "party" instead of "diplomatic reception" suggests a festive mood that does not exist in these formal settings.
The "HMS Victory" Comment: The top of the image includes a joke about Keir Starmer and "HMS Defeat." This indicates the post is from a highly partisan or satirical environment rather than a news source.
Emotional Weight: By juxtaposing the death of children directly with the "party," the post aims to provoke an emotional reaction rather than provide a nuanced look at how international diplomacy works during a crisis.
Blimey, I'm honoured! 🫡
You should be, master of disinformation, certainly an honour. "
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"Breaking story today: 'Foreign Office staff attended a party celebrating the Islamic revolution just weeks after Iran massacred thousands of its own people.
On the same day, it was estimated that 219 children had been killed in the latest wave of protests.'
the claim as presented is not an accurate reflection of current events. Here is a breakdown of why this post is misleading and the actual context of the situation:
1. The "Massacre" Context
The post refers to a "massacre" of thousands and the death of 219 children. This aligns with reports from the January 2026 protests in Iran (often called the Dey 1404 uprising), where human rights groups reported that Iranian security forces killed thousands of protesters. This was followed by a joint US-Israeli military intervention in late February 2026.
2. The "Party" Claim
The "party" mentioned is likely a reference to the annual diplomatic reception held by the Iranian Embassy in London to mark the anniversary of the 1979 Islamic Revolution (usually held around February 11th).
Diplomatic Reality: It is standard international protocol for "working-level" officials from the Foreign, Commonwealth & Development Office (FCDO) to attend national day events of countries with which the UK maintains diplomatic relations—even those with whom relations are extremely strained.
Correction: Attending a formal diplomatic function is not a "celebration" of the regime's actions or the revolution itself; it is a channel for maintaining basic diplomatic communication. In previous years (such as 2023 and 2024), similar attendance by junior officials sparked public outcry, but the UK government maintained that "engagement does not equal endorsement."
3. Misinformation Elements
The post uses several common tactics found in political disinformation:
Inflammatory Language: Using the word "party" instead of "diplomatic reception" suggests a festive mood that does not exist in these formal settings.
The "HMS Victory" Comment: The top of the image includes a joke about Keir Starmer and "HMS Defeat." This indicates the post is from a highly partisan or satirical environment rather than a news source.
Emotional Weight: By juxtaposing the death of children directly with the "party," the post aims to provoke an emotional reaction rather than provide a nuanced look at how international diplomacy works during a crisis.
Blimey, I'm honoured! 🫡
You should be, master of disinformation, certainly an honour. "
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"Breaking story today: 'Foreign Office staff attended a party celebrating the Islamic revolution just weeks after Iran massacred thousands of its own people.
On the same day, it was estimated that 219 children had been killed in the latest wave of protests.'
the claim as presented is not an accurate reflection of current events. Here is a breakdown of why this post is misleading and the actual context of the situation:
1. The "Massacre" Context
The post refers to a "massacre" of thousands and the death of 219 children. This aligns with reports from the January 2026 protests in Iran (often called the Dey 1404 uprising), where human rights groups reported that Iranian security forces killed thousands of protesters. This was followed by a joint US-Israeli military intervention in late February 2026.
2. The "Party" Claim
The "party" mentioned is likely a reference to the annual diplomatic reception held by the Iranian Embassy in London to mark the anniversary of the 1979 Islamic Revolution (usually held around February 11th).
Diplomatic Reality: It is standard international protocol for "working-level" officials from the Foreign, Commonwealth & Development Office (FCDO) to attend national day events of countries with which the UK maintains diplomatic relations—even those with whom relations are extremely strained.
Correction: Attending a formal diplomatic function is not a "celebration" of the regime's actions or the revolution itself; it is a channel for maintaining basic diplomatic communication. In previous years (such as 2023 and 2024), similar attendance by junior officials sparked public outcry, but the UK government maintained that "engagement does not equal endorsement."
3. Misinformation Elements
The post uses several common tactics found in political disinformation:
Inflammatory Language: Using the word "party" instead of "diplomatic reception" suggests a festive mood that does not exist in these formal settings.
The "HMS Victory" Comment: The top of the image includes a joke about Keir Starmer and "HMS Defeat." This indicates the post is from a highly partisan or satirical environment rather than a news source.
Emotional Weight: By juxtaposing the death of children directly with the "party," the post aims to provoke an emotional reaction rather than provide a nuanced look at how international diplomacy works during a crisis."
Tl;DR AI slop.
Thankfully, AI can summarise and do the thinking:
?1. The "Massacre" Context Actually Validates the Post
?The response attempts to label the original post as "misleading" by citing the context of the January 2026 protests (the Dey 1404 uprising). However, providing this context actually confirms the chronological and factual accuracy of the original claim. During these protests, Iranian security forces violently suppressed civilians, resulting in thousands of documented deaths, including children. Therefore, stating that the regime "massacred thousands of its own people" just weeks prior to a mid-February diplomatic event is a stark, factual reality, not a misleading exaggeration.
?2. The "Party" Defense is a Semantic Distraction
?The response argues that the event was a "diplomatic reception" rather than a "party" or "celebration," heavily leaning on the fact that attendance is standard FCDO protocol. This is a distinction without a meaningful difference.
?The Nature of the Event: The annual February gathering at the Iranian Embassy is literally the National Day celebration of the 1979 Islamic Revolution. Attending it inherently means participating in a commemorative event for the regime's founding.
?Diplomatic Agency: While maintaining communication channels via junior officials is common, the UK government has the diplomatic agency to boycott such events—a standard tool used internationally to signal severe condemnation. Dismissing the attendance as unavoidable "protocol" ignores the legitimate political criticism of choosing to engage in diplomatic pleasantries mere weeks after a mass atrocity.
?3. Conflating Rhetoric with "Misinformation"
?The responder dismisses the original post as "disinformation" because it utilizes emotional framing (juxtaposing the reception with the deaths of children) and political satire (the "HMS Defeat" jab at Keir Starmer).
?Tone Does Not Equal Falsehood: Pointing out the grim contrast between murdered protesters and a diplomatic celebration is a standard, valid political critique. The presence of a partisan joke in a forum post speaks to the user's bias, but it does not render the underlying timeline or the reality of the diplomatic visit untrue.
?In short, while the original post uses charged language, its core factual claims—that a massacre occurred, that children died, and that UK officials subsequently attended an event commemorating the regime responsible—are accurate for this timeline. |
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