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"If he goes the whole hog and gets nailed to a cross then I'm OK with it." Can we also put him in a cave a roll a big rock in front of it- then wait patiently for him to move it with the immense power of a ranting tweet? | |||
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"If he goes the whole hog and gets nailed to a cross then I'm OK with it. Can we also put him in a cave a roll a big rock in front of it- then wait patiently for him to move it with the immense power of a ranting tweet?" You mean blockade him in? | |||
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"I am not in the least bit religious and l have a very low regard for all religions, but l do find the portrayal of Jesus Trump and Pope Donald by a man more akin to Donald Duck, without the integrity, very offensive. Am l being over sensitive?" Yes. Freedom of expression and all that. He shouldn't be such a coward - he should have owned it and claimed freedom of expression, like burning a Bible or Koran. | |||
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"He said he was being a doctor, and faux outrage is fake left wing news. " I think pretending he was supposed to be a Doctor, after he's cut $billions from Medicaid, leaving millions without Doctors, he'd expected nobody could remember how they looked | |||
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"I am not in the least bit religious and l have a very low regard for all religions, but l do find the portrayal of Jesus Trump and Pope Donald by a man more akin to Donald Duck, without the integrity, very offensive. Am l being over sensitive? Yes. Freedom of expression and all that. He shouldn't be such a coward - he should have owned it and claimed freedom of expression, like burning a Bible or Koran." Freedom of expression carries with it the responsibility to not be deliberately insulting or offensive to those with opposing beliefs or views. As stated, l have no time for religion, but l respect unreservedly those that do believe. Burning the bible or Koran is also an abuse of freedom, totally lacking in respect for others. Everyone it seems knows their rights but not everyone respects their responsibilities. | |||
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"He said he was being a doctor, and faux outrage is fake left wing news. " I think that was a fib, there was no TARDIS in the picture! | |||
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"Freedom of expression carries with it the responsibility to not be deliberately insulting or offensive to those with opposing beliefs or views." Sorry, but that's rubbish. There's no such responsibility. The whole point of freedom of expression is that it gives people the right to express opinions that others disagree with. But it also gives you the right to think that they're complete dicks for doing so. | |||
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"Freedom of expression carries with it the responsibility to not be deliberately insulting or offensive to those with opposing beliefs or views. Sorry, but that's rubbish. There's no such responsibility. The whole point of freedom of expression is that it gives people the right to express opinions that others disagree with. But it also gives you the right to think that they're complete dicks for doing so. " That you believe what you say is a sad reflection of the attitude that pervades the uk and has without doubt played its part in the devaluing of society. If more people were respectful of others and had sufficient education, respect and common sense to express their views politely the country, indeed the world, might be a less aggressive and confrontational place. | |||
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"It was offensive. I am surprised that no media have commented on the moloch symbol in the image, it was what I noticed straight away with it too." Are you on about the Iranian video? I saw it in that. It was pretty antisemitic the imagery, good beat and funny lyrics though. Haven't seen much of anything about the Iranian videos tbh. A lot about the tangerine scream dressed as Jesus though. Not enough about why he's healing Epstein. Lol | |||
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"If he goes the whole hog and gets nailed to a cross then I'm OK with it." dont wish that he’ll only rise again in 3 days and claim by a third term | |||
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"I am not in the least bit religious and l have a very low regard for all religions, but l do find the portrayal of Jesus Trump and Pope Donald by a man more akin to Donald Duck, without the integrity, very offensive. Am l being over sensitive? Yes. Freedom of expression and all that. He shouldn't be such a coward - he should have owned it and claimed freedom of expression, like burning a Bible or Koran. Freedom of expression carries with it the responsibility to not be deliberately insulting or offensive to those with opposing beliefs or views. As stated, l have no time for religion, but l respect unreservedly those that do believe. Burning the bible or Koran is also an abuse of freedom, totally lacking in respect for others. Everyone it seems knows their rights but not everyone respects their responsibilities." Agree, live and let live, but the likes of trump deserves no respect whatsoever | |||
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"I am not in the least bit religious and l have a very low regard for all religions, but l do find the portrayal of Jesus Trump and Pope Donald by a man more akin to Donald Duck, without the integrity, very offensive. Am l being over sensitive? Yes. Freedom of expression and all that. He shouldn't be such a coward - he should have owned it and claimed freedom of expression, like burning a Bible or Koran. Freedom of expression carries with it the responsibility to not be deliberately insulting or offensive to those with opposing beliefs or views. As stated, l have no time for religion, but l respect unreservedly those that do believe. Burning the bible or Koran is also an abuse of freedom, totally lacking in respect for others. Everyone it seems knows their rights but not everyone respects their responsibilities." TO be clear, this was not a suggestion that he SHOULD have burnt the Bible or Koran, or that it would be a good thing. It is simply calling him a coward. He will use his freedom of expression to be racist, misogynistic, make fun of the fat and the disabled... But when he climbs down from this, it is not because he is sorry, it's because it is scared. If he's going to defend freedom of expression in all of those other cases, why did he climb down on this one? Not contrition. | |||
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"I am not in the least bit religious and l have a very low regard for all religions, but l do find the portrayal of Jesus Trump and Pope Donald by a man more akin to Donald Duck, without the integrity, very offensive. Am l being over sensitive?" Well the Middle East is where Armegedon is supposed to occur so he is making a point. He's the President he can do what he likes. He's giving the Iranians a taste of their own medicine. They are scared of the second coming, it'll be the end for them. Book of Revelation puts it into perspective. | |||
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"Book of Revelation is about as good a source of reference as the Lord of the Rings. Spoiler alert - its all bollocks." So much so that the church I used to go to - that's in the distant past now - weren't allowed to preach sermons based on that hallucinatory nonsense. | |||
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" He's the President he can do what he likes. " That’s…not how things work | |||
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"Book of Revelation is about as good a source of reference as the Lord of the Rings. Spoiler alert - its all bollocks." We dont have to look to Trump for offensive remarks when we have the likes of this rubbish written. | |||
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"I am not in the least bit religious and l have a very low regard for all religions, but l do find the portrayal of Jesus Trump and Pope Donald by a man more akin to Donald Duck, without the integrity, very offensive. Am l being over sensitive? Well the Middle East is where Armegedon is supposed to occur so he is making a point. He's the President he can do what he likes. He's giving the Iranians a taste of their own medicine. They are scared of the second coming, it'll be the end for them. Book of Revelation puts it into perspective. " This is the antisemitic belief that the evengelicals have, right? That all Jews must return to the middle east in order for the second coming to happen? So, can we deduce that Trump has or at least the support he has for this war is on two basic facts, the racists like the fact he's killing Muslims and the Evangelicals like it because it makes Israel strong and more likely for Jews to return? That's why he's reciting the bible, he's trying to put do the pope? Become a more credible theologian? | |||
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"Book of Revelation is about as good a source of reference as the Lord of the Rings. Spoiler alert - its all bollocks. We dont have to look to Trump for offensive remarks when we have the likes of this rubbish written. " We return to freedom of speech meaning the right to express your views allied to the responsibility to do so in a non offensive manner. Rocket science it aint but it does take restraint, tolerance and courtesy | |||
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"Book of Revelation is about as good a source of reference as the Lord of the Rings. Spoiler alert - its all bollocks. We dont have to look to Trump for offensive remarks when we have the likes of this rubbish written. We return to freedom of speech meaning the right to express your views allied to the responsibility to do so in a non offensive manner. Rocket science it aint but it does take restraint, tolerance and courtesy " Easy to attack Christianity. These guys are more fearful to speak against another faith | |||
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"Book of Revelation is about as good a source of reference as the Lord of the Rings. Spoiler alert - its all bollocks. We dont have to look to Trump for offensive remarks when we have the likes of this rubbish written. We return to freedom of speech meaning the right to express your views allied to the responsibility to do so in a non offensive manner. Rocket science it aint but it does take restraint, tolerance and courtesy Easy to attack Christianity. These guys are more fearful to speak against another faith" What guys? What faith? | |||
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"So trump has a go at Harry about comments he made in Kiev about Ukraine… and his administration and the pentagon are apparently going to change policy about the Falkland Islands as punishment for not supporting them in the Iran war Is it finally time to pull the king’s visit to the US… it’s about the only thing that will hurt Trump " God knows Fabio. I honestly don't know what's the best thing to do 🤷♀️ | |||
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"So trump has a go at Harry about comments he made in Kiev about Ukraine… and his administration and the pentagon are apparently going to change policy about the Falkland Islands as punishment for not supporting them in the Iran war Is it finally time to pull the king’s visit to the US… it’s about the only thing that will hurt Trump " Do you think that if the King's visit was pulled, that ICE might find their way to Harry, now he's spoken? | |||
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"Charles should go but drop massive hints that Andrew told him all about Trump and Epstein. Trump would shit himself." That l doubt, Trump would deny and get his shit shoveler lackeys to clean, lie and cover up. Our King hopefully is above that crap and should stay out of it, charm Trump , making Trump look foolish by charm to the rest of the world would be much more effective in my view | |||
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"So trump has a go at Harry about comments he made in Kiev about Ukraine… and his administration and the pentagon are apparently going to change policy about the Falkland Islands as punishment for not supporting them in the Iran war Is it finally time to pull the king’s visit to the US… it’s about the only thing that will hurt Trump " Honestly I don't think it would bother him,he seems determined to burn every relationship that the USA has ever made. He seems to be on a pathway that is isolating the USA intentionally making the people believe that the rest of the world is against them and he and only he is their saviour. He's surrounded himself with sycophants and minions, hopefully the American people will start seeing through this but I genuinely fear for the safety of the world. I believe he needs to be legally removed from office and replaced as soon as possible even if it is Vance but oh my god that's a scary thought. I'm sorry but he's just an old man who should be seeing out his days playing golf and shouting at the local kids for being too loud. Instead he's playing with the Gulf and shouting at world leaders. | |||
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"The world has changed unpredictably since Brexit was first voiced and it is easy to look back at what might have been and criticise - except nobody has sufficient 20/20 hindsight to do that. More importantly, nobody has 20/20 foresight either so rather than scream in protest it might be more prudent for the experts amongst us to say what they would do to safeguard our country were they, heaven forbid in most cases, in charge. Me? I have no idea! Like most of us, l suggest?" my post just highlights that one should be very careful what one wishes for ... in the case of brexit, the wish for close american alignment has now fallen completely flat on it's face .... as per the warnings that this may be the outcome.  | |||
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"The world has changed unpredictably since Brexit was first voiced and it is easy to look back at what might have been and criticise - except nobody has sufficient 20/20 hindsight to do that. More importantly, nobody has 20/20 foresight either so rather than scream in protest it might be more prudent for the experts amongst us to say what they would do to safeguard our country were they, heaven forbid in most cases, in charge. Me? I have no idea! Like most of us, l suggest? my post just highlights that one should be very careful what one wishes for ... in the case of brexit, the wish for close american alignment has now fallen completely flat on it's face .... as per the warnings that this may be the outcome. "Hmm interesting. So who were the major corporate donors to the Remain campaign: Goldman Sachs (US) JP Morgan (US) Liberty Global (Bermuda) Citigroup (US) Morgan Stanley (US) Bloomberg (US) I’m sure all focused on the interests of the average British working class voter. | |||
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"these attacks on britishness is all very very embarassing for Farages main brexit strategy of aligning ourselves with america instead of the EU. Trump is attacking the very ultra-nationalist message that reform and indeed the tory party have relied on traditionaly in order to galvanise support for their politics. watching a crestfallen farage back peddle on his sycofantic adoration of trump, milei, orban etc in recent days is an affirmation of how inept and irrelevant he is on the world stage, whilst BadEnoch just looks way out of her depth." I cannot see Donald Trump or Nigel Farage being bothered by this. Politicians never agree on everything .They are two of the most succesfull politicians of modern times. | |||
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"The world has changed unpredictably since Brexit was first voiced and it is easy to look back at what might have been and criticise - except nobody has sufficient 20/20 hindsight to do that. More importantly, nobody has 20/20 foresight either so rather than scream in protest it might be more prudent for the experts amongst us to say what they would do to safeguard our country were they, heaven forbid in most cases, in charge. Me? I have no idea! Like most of us, l suggest? my post just highlights that one should be very careful what one wishes for ... in the case of brexit, the wish for close american alignment has now fallen completely flat on it's face .... as per the warnings that this may be the outcome.
Hmm interesting.
So who were the major corporate donors to the Remain campaign:
Goldman Sachs (US)
JP Morgan (US)
Liberty Global (Bermuda)
Citigroup (US)
Morgan Stanley (US)
Bloomberg (US)
I’m sure all focused on the interests of the average British working class voter.
"all well and good but you appeared to have replied to the wrong post on a different thread entirely as what you've written bears no relation whatsoever. | |||
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"I cannot see Donald Trump or Nigel Farage being bothered by this. Politicians never agree on everything . " hi and thanks for the reply. a quick search shows that this is contrary to both the facts and reality, so it can safely be ingored. hope this helps. | |||
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"The world has changed unpredictably since Brexit was first voiced and it is easy to look back at what might have been and criticise - except nobody has sufficient 20/20 hindsight to do that. More importantly, nobody has 20/20 foresight either so rather than scream in protest it might be more prudent for the experts amongst us to say what they would do to safeguard our country were they, heaven forbid in most cases, in charge. Me? I have no idea! Like most of us, l suggest? my post just highlights that one should be very careful what one wishes for ... in the case of brexit, the wish for close american alignment has now fallen completely flat on it's face .... as per the warnings that this may be the outcome.
Hmm interesting.
So who were the major corporate donors to the Remain campaign:
Goldman Sachs (US)
JP Morgan (US)
Liberty Global (Bermuda)
Citigroup (US)
Morgan Stanley (US)
Bloomberg (US)
I’m sure all focused on the interests of the average British working class voter.
all well and good but you appeared to have replied to the wrong post on a different thread entirely as what you've written bears no relation whatsoever."You seem to be under the illusion that the Leave campaign was all about US alignment when the Remain campaign was literally financed by giant US banks and corporations. I’m sorry you didn’t know what or who you were voting for. | |||
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"You seem to be under the illusion that the Leave campaign was all about US alignment when the Remain campaign was literally financed by giant US banks and corporations. I’m sorry you didn’t know what or who you were voting for." Indeed some have no clue, just follow whatever social media crack pots expound! There is a an age old theory that goes something like, A country always gets a government according to the intelligence of its electorate ! | |||
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"Well… I suppose what has happened tonight will mean we won’t talk about Epstein or be able to criticise the war for a few days…." I don't see why not, after all, the gunman didn't get anywhere near to Trump. In fact he didn't even make it to the screening area. Considering that the USA is full of weapons and so called sharp shooters, the Yanks really are useless at putting this animal down. | |||
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"Well… I suppose what has happened tonight will mean we won’t talk about Epstein or be able to criticise the war for a few days…." Almost certainly a Zionist conspiracy designed to keep Israel out of the news. | |||
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"Tangerine’s comments on the Falklands clearly will confuse Nigel and many of his followers. Do they continue to blindly follow Tangerine or do they stamp their feet & say the Falklands are ours? Or will Nigel do what he's been mostly been doing lately and say nothing." Sadly Starmer’s weakness over Chagos has made it inevitable that we start getting other claims about overseas territories. I see Argentina already wants talks about the Falklands. Sadly for them I don’t think Starmer will be around long enough to give them up. | |||
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"Tangerine’s comments on the Falklands clearly will confuse Nigel and many of his followers. Do they continue to blindly follow Tangerine or do they stamp their feet & say the Falklands are ours? Or will Nigel do what he's been mostly been doing lately and say nothing. Sadly Starmer’s weakness over Chagos has made it inevitable that we start getting other claims about overseas territories. I see Argentina already wants talks about the Falklands. Sadly for them I don’t think Starmer will be around long enough to give them up." Well that’s certainly one way of framing it. Another would be it’s Tangerine throwing a hissy fit because we didn’t follow him into Iran. Bonus points for Tangerine as it also shows solidarity with his d up Bernard Manning lookalike friend in Buenos Aires. | |||
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"The world has changed unpredictably since Brexit was first voiced and it is easy to look back at what might have been and criticise - except nobody has sufficient 20/20 hindsight to do that. More importantly, nobody has 20/20 foresight either so rather than scream in protest it might be more prudent for the experts amongst us to say what they would do to safeguard our country were they, heaven forbid in most cases, in charge. Me? I have no idea! Like most of us, l suggest? my post just highlights that one should be very careful what one wishes for ... in the case of brexit, the wish for close american alignment has now fallen completely flat on it's face .... as per the warnings that this may be the outcome.
Hmm interesting.
So who were the major corporate donors to the Remain campaign:
Goldman Sachs (US)
JP Morgan (US)
Liberty Global (Bermuda)
Citigroup (US)
Morgan Stanley (US)
Bloomberg (US)
I’m sure all focused on the interests of the average British working class voter.
all well and good but you appeared to have replied to the wrong post on a different thread entirely as what you've written bears no relation whatsoever.
You seem to be under the illusion that the Leave campaign was all about US alignment when the Remain campaign was literally financed by giant US banks and corporations.
I’m sorry you didn’t know what or who you were voting for."you've gone wildly off the topic i posted about. perhaps you should get over it and stop ranting about brexit. | |||
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"Well… I suppose what has happened tonight will mean we won’t talk about Epstein or be able to criticise the war for a few days…. I don't see why not, after all, the gunman didn't get anywhere near to Trump. In fact he didn't even make it to the screening area. Considering that the USA is full of weapons and so called sharp shooters, the Yanks really are useless at putting this animal down." The cctv shows the shooter ran straight through the first security position. Secret service agents looking the wrong way and caught off guard. | |||
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"Well… I suppose what has happened tonight will mean we won’t talk about Epstein or be able to criticise the war for a few days…. I don't see why not, after all, the gunman didn't get anywhere near to Trump. In fact he didn't even make it to the screening area. Considering that the USA is full of weapons and so called sharp shooters, the Yanks really are useless at putting this animal down. The cctv shows the shooter ran straight through the first security position. Secret service agents looking the wrong way and caught off guard. " Another setup | |||
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"Well… I suppose what has happened tonight will mean we won’t talk about Epstein or be able to criticise the war for a few days…. I don't see why not, after all, the gunman didn't get anywhere near to Trump. In fact he didn't even make it to the screening area. Considering that the USA is full of weapons and so called sharp shooters, the Yanks really are useless at putting this animal down." Seriously? No matter how people might dislike Trump it is completely unacceptable to advocate a shooting. We might all think Trump is a moron but that doesn’t make a keyboard warrior comment acceptable. | |||
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"Be plenty on here who will be beside themselves with joy that someone has tried to take him out again, because you know they are all full of love and tolerance " Just as there will be loads on the other side who rejoice when Trump sends the troops in. Neither are acceptable and people just need to calm the rhetoric all round. | |||
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"Be plenty on here who will be beside themselves with joy that someone has tried to take him out again, because you know they are all full of love and tolerance Just as there will be loads on the other side who rejoice when Trump sends the troops in. Neither are acceptable and people just need to calm the rhetoric all round." Interesting position. If it's unacceptable for Trump to send in troops (which might, for the sake of argument, kill 50,000), why isn't shooting him to save those lives acceptable? | |||
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"Interesting position. If it's unacceptable for Trump to send in troops (which might, for the sake of argument, kill 50,000), why isn't shooting him to save those lives acceptable?" It would solve a lot of the worlds current economic issues...and future ones. If his leaked threat of tariffs and giving the ok to Argentina regarding Falklands sovereignty is anything to go by. Imho. | |||
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"^^ he's also very obviously not well either physically or more importantly mentally. His actions aren't those of a man who is aware of or cares about the office of president or the effect they are having on the people he claims to represent and the rest of the world. Those around him who smile and hang on his every word while wearing shoes that don't fit because he says they must are just as bad. I'm astounded on a daily basis that he and his gang of sychophantic bullies haven't been stopped but we all just stand back and watch 🤷♀️🤦" Your projecting yourself as a normal human on to him. He's not normal. He's a deeply disturbed individual. Trying to project "us' or even "British" values on to this deeply disturbed person and to be honest America as a whole. We only share a language, we actually share values with most of Europe | |||
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"Be plenty on here who will be beside themselves with joy that someone has tried to take him out again, because you know they are all full of love and tolerance Just as there will be loads on the other side who rejoice when Trump sends the troops in. Neither are acceptable and people just need to calm the rhetoric all round. Interesting position. If it's unacceptable for Trump to send in troops (which might, for the sake of argument, kill 50,000), why isn't shooting him to save those lives acceptable?" That almost sounds like a justification for bombing a school full of girls.. or the justification that Israel gives for killing journalists….. | |||
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"Be plenty on here who will be beside themselves with joy that someone has tried to take him out again, because you know they are all full of love and tolerance Just as there will be loads on the other side who rejoice when Trump sends the troops in. Neither are acceptable and people just need to calm the rhetoric all round. Interesting position. If it's unacceptable for Trump to send in troops (which might, for the sake of argument, kill 50,000), why isn't shooting him to save those lives acceptable? That almost sounds like a justification for bombing a school full of girls.. or the justification that Israel gives for killing journalists….." Um... Were the girls going to bomb Israel or something? You will need to expand on that statement, as it's difficult to understand. The question was that if sending troops kills 50k people in Iran and is a bad thing, what's wrong will removing Trump to stop it? Is your point that rule of law is more important than saving 50000 lives? (I.e. end never justifies the means) | |||
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"Be plenty on here who will be beside themselves with joy that someone has tried to take him out again, because you know they are all full of love and tolerance Just as there will be loads on the other side who rejoice when Trump sends the troops in. Neither are acceptable and people just need to calm the rhetoric all round. Interesting position. If it's unacceptable for Trump to send in troops (which might, for the sake of argument, kill 50,000), why isn't shooting him to save those lives acceptable? That almost sounds like a justification for bombing a school full of girls.. or the justification that Israel gives for killing journalists….. Um... Were the girls going to bomb Israel or something? You will need to expand on that statement, as it's difficult to understand. The question was that if sending troops kills 50k people in Iran and is a bad thing, what's wrong will removing Trump to stop it? Is your point that rule of law is more important than saving 50000 lives? (I.e. end never justifies the means)" Easy, yes. Rule of law and being decent is important. You get a rapist as a president when it's not | |||
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"It really is a sad situation where the POTUS is so unpopular that so many people would want him dead and very probably more people would celebrate his death than mourne him " I’ve not been to Mourne myself but people say it’s very pretty. As for Trump I guess the security services need to watch out for people ranting and raving on the internet about him 24/7 and wishing him dead. Maybe let the forum know if you come across anyone like that. | |||
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" Just as there will be loads on the other side who rejoice when Trump sends the troops in. Neither are acceptable and people just need to calm the rhetoric all round. Interesting position. If it's unacceptable for Trump to send in troops (which might, for the sake of argument, kill 50,000), why isn't shooting him to save those lives acceptable? That almost sounds like a justification for bombing a school full of girls.. or the justification that Israel gives for killing journalists….. Um... Were the girls going to bomb Israel or something? You will need to expand on that statement, as it's difficult to understand. The question was that if sending troops kills 50k people in Iran and is a bad thing, what's wrong will removing Trump to stop it? Is your point that rule of law is more important than saving 50000 lives? (I.e. end never justifies the means)" Hey @Fabio - still trying to understand? | |||
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"I see Jimmy Kinmel is in hot water again after coming out with this nugget: “Our First Lady, Melania, is here. Look at Melania, so beautiful. Mrs Trump, you have a glow like an expectant widow”. In poor taste of course, but look at Melania Trump’s response: “…people like Kimmel shouldn't have the opportunity to enter our homes each evening to spread hate", and urged ABC to "take a stand". "His monologue about my family isn't comedy - his words are corrosive and deepens the political sickness within America," she said. Oh the irony. " Her comments seem pretty reasonable. It’s time for Disney/abc to grow a pair and sack him. He isn’t even funny or particularly popular. The bigger issue is why the political left in the US have become so violent in their speech and actions (I’m sure it’s the same in the UK where the Left profess dislike of the US but invariably copy its leftist politics about a year later). Recent polling in the US shows that those who identify as “very liberal” are far more prone to believe in political violence than anyone else. The Be Kind brigade want everyone dead. Leftists have always had an authoritarian streak but this seems to have morphed into wanting to kill people who disagree with them. But what can be done about it? Much of it seems to be a brainwashing issue at schools and universities but maybe we need very strong penalties for those who advocate or carry out violence in support of their ideology. Disney sacking Kimmel would be an easy start. | |||
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"I see Jimmy Kinmel is in hot water again after coming out with this nugget: “Our First Lady, Melania, is here. Look at Melania, so beautiful. Mrs Trump, you have a glow like an expectant widow”. In poor taste of course, but look at Melania Trump’s response: “…people like Kimmel shouldn't have the opportunity to enter our homes each evening to spread hate", and urged ABC to "take a stand". "His monologue about my family isn't comedy - his words are corrosive and deepens the political sickness within America," she said. Oh the irony. Her comments seem pretty reasonable. It’s time for Disney/abc to grow a pair and sack him. He isn’t even funny or particularly popular. The bigger issue is why the political left in the US have become so violent in their speech and actions (I’m sure it’s the same in the UK where the Left profess dislike of the US but invariably copy its leftist politics about a year later). Recent polling in the US shows that those who identify as “very liberal” are far more prone to believe in political violence than anyone else. The Be Kind brigade want everyone dead. Leftists have always had an authoritarian streak but this seems to have morphed into wanting to kill people who disagree with them. But what can be done about it? Much of it seems to be a brainwashing issue at schools and universities but maybe we need very strong penalties for those who advocate or carry out violence in support of their ideology. Disney sacking Kimmel would be an easy start." I agree on Kinmel but come on, the right are innocents? Trump himself said he was glad Robert Mueller was dead just for example. His response to Rob Reiner’s death? His response to the hammer attack on Paul Pelosi? His reposting of a video saying ‘the only good Democrat is a dead Democrat’ ? Praising Montana’s governor for assaulting a reporter? Etc. Don’t be selective. | |||
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"Leftists have always had an authoritarian streak but this seems to have morphed into wanting to kill people who disagree with them." It's always been there, it's just that nowadays the media will print it. The phrase "first against the wall when the revolution comes" has been around a very long time. | |||
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"I see Jimmy Kinmel is in hot water again after coming out with this nugget: “Our First Lady, Melania, is here. Look at Melania, so beautiful. Mrs Trump, you have a glow like an expectant widow”. In poor taste of course, but look at Melania Trump’s response: “…people like Kimmel shouldn't have the opportunity to enter our homes each evening to spread hate", and urged ABC to "take a stand". "His monologue about my family isn't comedy - his words are corrosive and deepens the political sickness within America," she said. Oh the irony. " See… this joke was made in the Thursday night broadcast of his show… so he must have been one hell of a Nostradamus! Notice no one complained about the joke on Friday or Saturday!… They are saying his words were an incitement… I would argue that in her interview with Fox News before the dinner the press secretary said that there would be “shots fired” was more of an incitement! And suddenly everyone forgets all the horrendous things trump has said… or as republicans always say they didn’t see the posts or he didn’t mean something literally! They are trying to claim that his joke was | |||
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"Hope King Charles travels with a bulletproof vest next week. Being stood next to Tangerine obviously carries risks." Also, the uk are insisting now that the meeting with the king be held in private, just to make sure he can’t be embarrassed in public just in case trump shoots his mouth off…. | |||
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"I see Jimmy Kinmel is in hot water again after coming out with this nugget: “Our First Lady, Melania, is here. Look at Melania, so beautiful. Mrs Trump, you have a glow like an expectant widow”. In poor taste of course, but look at Melania Trump’s response: “…people like Kimmel shouldn't have the opportunity to enter our homes each evening to spread hate", and urged ABC to "take a stand". "His monologue about my family isn't comedy - his words are corrosive and deepens the political sickness within America," she said. Oh the irony. Her comments seem pretty reasonable. It’s time for Disney/abc to grow a pair and sack him. He isn’t even funny or particularly popular. The bigger issue is why the political left in the US have become so violent in their speech and actions (I’m sure it’s the same in the UK where the Left profess dislike of the US but invariably copy its leftist politics about a year later). Recent polling in the US shows that those who identify as “very liberal” are far more prone to believe in political violence than anyone else. The Be Kind brigade want everyone dead. Leftists have always had an authoritarian streak but this seems to have morphed into wanting to kill people who disagree with them. But what can be done about it? Much of it seems to be a brainwashing issue at schools and universities but maybe we need very strong penalties for those who advocate or carry out violence in support of their ideology. Disney sacking Kimmel would be an easy start." Whats this brainwashing you refer to in schools and universities | |||
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"Leftists have always had an authoritarian streak but this seems to have morphed into wanting to kill people who disagree with them. It's always been there, it's just that nowadays the media will print it. The phrase "first against the wall when the revolution comes" has been around a very long time.the thing with the left the first ones up against the wall are there usefull idiots" There’s lunatics at the both extremes of the political spectrum. It wasn’t that long ago someone murdered a Labour MP over her opposition to leaving the EU. | |||
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"Leftists have always had an authoritarian streak but this seems to have morphed into wanting to kill people who disagree with them. It's always been there, it's just that nowadays the media will print it. The phrase "first against the wall when the revolution comes" has been around a very long time.the thing with the left the first ones up against the wall are there usefull idiots There’s lunatics at the both extremes of the political spectrum. It wasn’t that long ago someone murdered a Labour MP over her opposition to leaving the EU." No you are wrong, there have been no right wing authoritarians ever. | |||
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"Leftists have always had an authoritarian streak but this seems to have morphed into wanting to kill people who disagree with them. It's always been there, it's just that nowadays the media will print it. The phrase "first against the wall when the revolution comes" has been around a very long time.the thing with the left the first ones up against the wall are there usefull idiots There’s lunatics at the both extremes of the political spectrum. It wasn’t that long ago someone murdered a Labour MP over her opposition to leaving the EU." I’m not entirely sure that Jo Cox was murdered because of her “opposition to leaving the EU”. I think that’s a slightly simplistic assessment of the killer’s “thinking”. But for context here is a list of British MP’s murdered over the past fifty years, their political party, and who was responsible for murdering them: Airey Neave – Conservative – Irish National Liberation Army Robert Bradford – Ulster Unionist – Provisional IRA Sir Anthony Berry – Conservative – Provisional IRA Ian Gow – Conservative – Provisional IRA Jo Cox – Labour – Thomas Alexander Mair Sir David Amess – Conservative – Ali Harbi Ali In the UK as well as the US, being a conservative is a dangerous pastime. “Be Kind”! | |||
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"Yes it’s those ‘radical lefties’ who cause ALL the problems. “Right-wing extremism is currently the primary source of extremist-related murders in the United States, with a significant trend of far-right perpetrators being responsible for the majority of such killings in recent years. Reports from the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) and other researchers indicate that right-wing extremists have committed the overwhelming majority of ideological killings since 2020” “Based on government and independent analyses, right-wing extremist violence has been responsible for the overwhelming majority of fatalities, amounting to approximately 75% to 80% of U.S. domestic terrorism deaths since 2001. Illustrative cases include the 2015 Charleston church shooting, when white supremacist Dylann Roof killed nine Black parishioners; the 2018 Tree of Life synagogue attack in Pittsburgh, where 11 worshippers were murdered; the 2019 El Paso Walmart massacre, in which an anti-immigrant gunman killed 23 people. The 1995 Oklahoma City bombing, an earlier but still notable example, killed 168 in the deadliest domestic terrorist attack in U.S. history. By contrast, left-wing extremist incidents, including those tied to anarchist or environmental movements, have made up about 10% to 15% of incidents and less than 5% of fatalities”" Curious, does Islamic terrorism fall under left wing or right wing extremism in these numbers you shared? | |||
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"Yes it’s those ‘radical lefties’ who cause ALL the problems. “Right-wing extremism is currently the primary source of extremist-related murders in the United States, with a significant trend of far-right perpetrators being responsible for the majority of such killings in recent years. Reports from the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) and other researchers indicate that right-wing extremists have committed the overwhelming majority of ideological killings since 2020” “Based on government and independent analyses, right-wing extremist violence has been responsible for the overwhelming majority of fatalities, amounting to approximately 75% to 80% of U.S. domestic terrorism deaths since 2001. Illustrative cases include the 2015 Charleston church shooting, when white supremacist Dylann Roof killed nine Black parishioners; the 2018 Tree of Life synagogue attack in Pittsburgh, where 11 worshippers were murdered; the 2019 El Paso Walmart massacre, in which an anti-immigrant gunman killed 23 people. The 1995 Oklahoma City bombing, an earlier but still notable example, killed 168 in the deadliest domestic terrorist attack in U.S. history. By contrast, left-wing extremist incidents, including those tied to anarchist or environmental movements, have made up about 10% to 15% of incidents and less than 5% of fatalities” Curious, does Islamic terrorism fall under left wing or right wing extremism in these numbers you shared?" No idea, you’d need to ask the researchers. Just pointing out political violence isn’t the sole speciality of ‘The Left’ & it’s ludicrous to pretend otherwise. | |||
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"Yes it’s those ‘radical lefties’ who cause ALL the problems. “Right-wing extremism is currently the primary source of extremist-related murders in the United States, with a significant trend of far-right perpetrators being responsible for the majority of such killings in recent years. Reports from the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) and other researchers indicate that right-wing extremists have committed the overwhelming majority of ideological killings since 2020” “Based on government and independent analyses, right-wing extremist violence has been responsible for the overwhelming majority of fatalities, amounting to approximately 75% to 80% of U.S. domestic terrorism deaths since 2001. Illustrative cases include the 2015 Charleston church shooting, when white supremacist Dylann Roof killed nine Black parishioners; the 2018 Tree of Life synagogue attack in Pittsburgh, where 11 worshippers were murdered; the 2019 El Paso Walmart massacre, in which an anti-immigrant gunman killed 23 people. The 1995 Oklahoma City bombing, an earlier but still notable example, killed 168 in the deadliest domestic terrorist attack in U.S. history. By contrast, left-wing extremist incidents, including those tied to anarchist or environmental movements, have made up about 10% to 15% of incidents and less than 5% of fatalities” Curious, does Islamic terrorism fall under left wing or right wing extremism in these numbers you shared? No idea, you’d need to ask the researchers. Just pointing out political violence isn’t the sole speciality of ‘The Left’ & it’s ludicrous to pretend otherwise." I don't think anyone called political violence is the "sole speciality of The Left" | |||
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"Yes it’s those ‘radical lefties’ who cause ALL the problems. “Right-wing extremism is currently the primary source of extremist-related murders in the United States, with a significant trend of far-right perpetrators being responsible for the majority of such killings in recent years. Reports from the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) and other researchers indicate that right-wing extremists have committed the overwhelming majority of ideological killings since 2020” “Based on government and independent analyses, right-wing extremist violence has been responsible for the overwhelming majority of fatalities, amounting to approximately 75% to 80% of U.S. domestic terrorism deaths since 2001. Illustrative cases include the 2015 Charleston church shooting, when white supremacist Dylann Roof killed nine Black parishioners; the 2018 Tree of Life synagogue attack in Pittsburgh, where 11 worshippers were murdered; the 2019 El Paso Walmart massacre, in which an anti-immigrant gunman killed 23 people. The 1995 Oklahoma City bombing, an earlier but still notable example, killed 168 in the deadliest domestic terrorist attack in U.S. history. By contrast, left-wing extremist incidents, including those tied to anarchist or environmental movements, have made up about 10% to 15% of incidents and less than 5% of fatalities” Curious, does Islamic terrorism fall under left wing or right wing extremism in these numbers you shared? No idea, you’d need to ask the researchers. Just pointing out political violence isn’t the sole speciality of ‘The Left’ & it’s ludicrous to pretend otherwise. I don't think anyone called political violence is the "sole speciality of The Left"" Criticism of right wing political violence seemed to be pretty muted until I stated piping up. | |||
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"Yes it’s those ‘radical lefties’ who cause ALL the problems. “Right-wing extremism is currently the primary source of extremist-related murders in the United States, with a significant trend of far-right perpetrators being responsible for the majority of such killings in recent years. Reports from the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) and other researchers indicate that right-wing extremists have committed the overwhelming majority of ideological killings since 2020” “Based on government and independent analyses, right-wing extremist violence has been responsible for the overwhelming majority of fatalities, amounting to approximately 75% to 80% of U.S. domestic terrorism deaths since 2001. Illustrative cases include the 2015 Charleston church shooting, when white supremacist Dylann Roof killed nine Black parishioners; the 2018 Tree of Life synagogue attack in Pittsburgh, where 11 worshippers were murdered; the 2019 El Paso Walmart massacre, in which an anti-immigrant gunman killed 23 people. The 1995 Oklahoma City bombing, an earlier but still notable example, killed 168 in the deadliest domestic terrorist attack in U.S. history. By contrast, left-wing extremist incidents, including those tied to anarchist or environmental movements, have made up about 10% to 15% of incidents and less than 5% of fatalities” Curious, does Islamic terrorism fall under left wing or right wing extremism in these numbers you shared?" Islamic terrorism is typically categorised as right wing - authoritarian, traditionalism, opposition to liberal values. | |||
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"Yes it’s those ‘radical lefties’ who cause ALL the problems. “Right-wing extremism is currently the primary source of extremist-related murders in the United States, with a significant trend of far-right perpetrators being responsible for the majority of such killings in recent years. Reports from the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) and other researchers indicate that right-wing extremists have committed the overwhelming majority of ideological killings since 2020” “Based on government and independent analyses, right-wing extremist violence has been responsible for the overwhelming majority of fatalities, amounting to approximately 75% to 80% of U.S. domestic terrorism deaths since 2001. Illustrative cases include the 2015 Charleston church shooting, when white supremacist Dylann Roof killed nine Black parishioners; the 2018 Tree of Life synagogue attack in Pittsburgh, where 11 worshippers were murdered; the 2019 El Paso Walmart massacre, in which an anti-immigrant gunman killed 23 people. The 1995 Oklahoma City bombing, an earlier but still notable example, killed 168 in the deadliest domestic terrorist attack in U.S. history. By contrast, left-wing extremist incidents, including those tied to anarchist or environmental movements, have made up about 10% to 15% of incidents and less than 5% of fatalities” Curious, does Islamic terrorism fall under left wing or right wing extremism in these numbers you shared? Islamic terrorism is typically categorised as right wing - authoritarian, traditionalism, opposition to liberal values. " Does that mean Islam is right wing? | |||
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"Yes it’s those ‘radical lefties’ who cause ALL the problems. “Right-wing extremism is currently the primary source of extremist-related murders in the United States, with a significant trend of far-right perpetrators being responsible for the majority of such killings in recent years. Reports from the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) and other researchers indicate that right-wing extremists have committed the overwhelming majority of ideological killings since 2020” “Based on government and independent analyses, right-wing extremist violence has been responsible for the overwhelming majority of fatalities, amounting to approximately 75% to 80% of U.S. domestic terrorism deaths since 2001. Illustrative cases include the 2015 Charleston church shooting, when white supremacist Dylann Roof killed nine Black parishioners; the 2018 Tree of Life synagogue attack in Pittsburgh, where 11 worshippers were murdered; the 2019 El Paso Walmart massacre, in which an anti-immigrant gunman killed 23 people. The 1995 Oklahoma City bombing, an earlier but still notable example, killed 168 in the deadliest domestic terrorist attack in U.S. history. By contrast, left-wing extremist incidents, including those tied to anarchist or environmental movements, have made up about 10% to 15% of incidents and less than 5% of fatalities” Curious, does Islamic terrorism fall under left wing or right wing extremism in these numbers you shared? Islamic terrorism is typically categorised as right wing - authoritarian, traditionalism, opposition to liberal values. Does that mean Islam is right wing?" A religion isn’t left or right wing - interpretations of religious teachings can be. Is Christianity left or right wing? Or Judaism? Hinduism? | |||
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"Yes it’s those ‘radical lefties’ who cause ALL the problems. “Right-wing extremism is currently the primary source of extremist-related murders in the United States, with a significant trend of far-right perpetrators being responsible for the majority of such killings in recent years. Reports from the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) and other researchers indicate that right-wing extremists have committed the overwhelming majority of ideological killings since 2020” “Based on government and independent analyses, right-wing extremist violence has been responsible for the overwhelming majority of fatalities, amounting to approximately 75% to 80% of U.S. domestic terrorism deaths since 2001. Illustrative cases include the 2015 Charleston church shooting, when white supremacist Dylann Roof killed nine Black parishioners; the 2018 Tree of Life synagogue attack in Pittsburgh, where 11 worshippers were murdered; the 2019 El Paso Walmart massacre, in which an anti-immigrant gunman killed 23 people. The 1995 Oklahoma City bombing, an earlier but still notable example, killed 168 in the deadliest domestic terrorist attack in U.S. history. By contrast, left-wing extremist incidents, including those tied to anarchist or environmental movements, have made up about 10% to 15% of incidents and less than 5% of fatalities” Curious, does Islamic terrorism fall under left wing or right wing extremism in these numbers you shared? Islamic terrorism is typically categorised as right wing - authoritarian, traditionalism, opposition to liberal values. Does that mean Islam is right wing? A religion isn’t left or right wing - interpretations of religious teachings can be. Is Christianity left or right wing? Or Judaism? Hinduism?" Why is Islamic terrorism counted as right wing? Is it the case that if a bad thing is done in the name of religion, it's automatically right wing? | |||
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"Leftists have always had an authoritarian streak but this seems to have morphed into wanting to kill people who disagree with them. It's always been there, it's just that nowadays the media will print it. The phrase "first against the wall when the revolution comes" has been around a very long time.the thing with the left the first ones up against the wall are there usefull idiots There’s lunatics at the both extremes of the political spectrum. It wasn’t that long ago someone murdered a Labour MP over her opposition to leaving the EU." it was even less time ago a tory mp was stabbed to death because if someones imaginary freinds book said it was ok to kill people you disagree with but hey ho | |||
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"Yes it’s those ‘radical lefties’ who cause ALL the problems. “Right-wing extremism is currently the primary source of extremist-related murders in the United States, with a significant trend of far-right perpetrators being responsible for the majority of such killings in recent years. Reports from the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) and other researchers indicate that right-wing extremists have committed the overwhelming majority of ideological killings since 2020” “Based on government and independent analyses, right-wing extremist violence has been responsible for the overwhelming majority of fatalities, amounting to approximately 75% to 80% of U.S. domestic terrorism deaths since 2001. Illustrative cases include the 2015 Charleston church shooting, when white supremacist Dylann Roof killed nine Black parishioners; the 2018 Tree of Life synagogue attack in Pittsburgh, where 11 worshippers were murdered; the 2019 El Paso Walmart massacre, in which an anti-immigrant gunman killed 23 people. The 1995 Oklahoma City bombing, an earlier but still notable example, killed 168 in the deadliest domestic terrorist attack in U.S. history. By contrast, left-wing extremist incidents, including those tied to anarchist or environmental movements, have made up about 10% to 15% of incidents and less than 5% of fatalities” Curious, does Islamic terrorism fall under left wing or right wing extremism in these numbers you shared? Islamic terrorism is typically categorised as right wing - authoritarian, traditionalism, opposition to liberal values. Does that mean Islam is right wing? A religion isn’t left or right wing - interpretations of religious teachings can be. Is Christianity left or right wing? Or Judaism? Hinduism?" Actually when the DOJ collated these sorts of figures they actually distinguished between right wing extremism and religious extremism.. so it was something like 60% was found to be right wing extremism, about 20% was religious extremism and about 10% was left wing extremism…. Like a lot of things now under this particular Trump administration.. the DOJ now no longer make these statistics available to the public…. There are so many things I want to say about the anti defamation league (ADL) … they were once a highly respected organisation, now they are a right wing pro Israel organisation who try to shut down any criticism by throwing out antisemitism accusations The other organisation who do great work in this area are the southern poverty law centre (SPLC) who the Trump administration are specifically now going after | |||
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"Yes it’s those ‘radical lefties’ who cause ALL the problems. “Right-wing extremism is currently the primary source of extremist-related murders in the United States, with a significant trend of far-right perpetrators being responsible for the majority of such killings in recent years. Reports from the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) and other researchers indicate that right-wing extremists have committed the overwhelming majority of ideological killings since 2020” “Based on government and independent analyses, right-wing extremist violence has been responsible for the overwhelming majority of fatalities, amounting to approximately 75% to 80% of U.S. domestic terrorism deaths since 2001. Illustrative cases include the 2015 Charleston church shooting, when white supremacist Dylann Roof killed nine Black parishioners; the 2018 Tree of Life synagogue attack in Pittsburgh, where 11 worshippers were murdered; the 2019 El Paso Walmart massacre, in which an anti-immigrant gunman killed 23 people. The 1995 Oklahoma City bombing, an earlier but still notable example, killed 168 in the deadliest domestic terrorist attack in U.S. history. By contrast, left-wing extremist incidents, including those tied to anarchist or environmental movements, have made up about 10% to 15% of incidents and less than 5% of fatalities” Curious, does Islamic terrorism fall under left wing or right wing extremism in these numbers you shared? Islamic terrorism is typically categorised as right wing - authoritarian, traditionalism, opposition to liberal values. Does that mean Islam is right wing? A religion isn’t left or right wing - interpretations of religious teachings can be. Is Christianity left or right wing? Or Judaism? Hinduism? Why is Islamic terrorism counted as right wing? Is it the case that if a bad thing is done in the name of religion, it's automatically right wing?" I mean I explained in the very first message why. | |||
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"Yes it’s those ‘radical lefties’ who cause ALL the problems. “Right-wing extremism is currently the primary source of extremist-related murders in the United States, with a significant trend of far-right perpetrators being responsible for the majority of such killings in recent years. Reports from the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) and other researchers indicate that right-wing extremists have committed the overwhelming majority of ideological killings since 2020” “Based on government and independent analyses, right-wing extremist violence has been responsible for the overwhelming majority of fatalities, amounting to approximately 75% to 80% of U.S. domestic terrorism deaths since 2001. Illustrative cases include the 2015 Charleston church shooting, when white supremacist Dylann Roof killed nine Black parishioners; the 2018 Tree of Life synagogue attack in Pittsburgh, where 11 worshippers were murdered; the 2019 El Paso Walmart massacre, in which an anti-immigrant gunman killed 23 people. The 1995 Oklahoma City bombing, an earlier but still notable example, killed 168 in the deadliest domestic terrorist attack in U.S. history. By contrast, left-wing extremist incidents, including those tied to anarchist or environmental movements, have made up about 10% to 15% of incidents and less than 5% of fatalities” Curious, does Islamic terrorism fall under left wing or right wing extremism in these numbers you shared? Islamic terrorism is typically categorised as right wing - authoritarian, traditionalism, opposition to liberal values. Does that mean Islam is right wing? A religion isn’t left or right wing - interpretations of religious teachings can be. Is Christianity left or right wing? Or Judaism? Hinduism? Why is Islamic terrorism counted as right wing? Is it the case that if a bad thing is done in the name of religion, it's automatically right wing? I mean I explained in the very first message why. " Then you backed off saying that a religion isn't left or right wing. Islamic terrorism since the Palestine issue got attention recently doesn't belong to "authoritarian, traditionalism, opposition to liberal values" categories which you mentioned. Is it still right wing then? And the left has been arguing for a long time that Islamic terrorism is just a reaction to the bad and terrible West's actions. How is it right wing then? | |||
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"Yes it’s those ‘radical lefties’ who cause ALL the problems. “Right-wing extremism is currently the primary source of extremist-related murders in the United States, with a significant trend of far-right perpetrators being responsible for the majority of such killings in recent years. Reports from the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) and other researchers indicate that right-wing extremists have committed the overwhelming majority of ideological killings since 2020” “Based on government and independent analyses, right-wing extremist violence has been responsible for the overwhelming majority of fatalities, amounting to approximately 75% to 80% of U.S. domestic terrorism deaths since 2001. Illustrative cases include the 2015 Charleston church shooting, when white supremacist Dylann Roof killed nine Black parishioners; the 2018 Tree of Life synagogue attack in Pittsburgh, where 11 worshippers were murdered; the 2019 El Paso Walmart massacre, in which an anti-immigrant gunman killed 23 people. The 1995 Oklahoma City bombing, an earlier but still notable example, killed 168 in the deadliest domestic terrorist attack in U.S. history. By contrast, left-wing extremist incidents, including those tied to anarchist or environmental movements, have made up about 10% to 15% of incidents and less than 5% of fatalities” Curious, does Islamic terrorism fall under left wing or right wing extremism in these numbers you shared? Islamic terrorism is typically categorised as right wing - authoritarian, traditionalism, opposition to liberal values. Does that mean Islam is right wing? A religion isn’t left or right wing - interpretations of religious teachings can be. Is Christianity left or right wing? Or Judaism? Hinduism? Why is Islamic terrorism counted as right wing? Is it the case that if a bad thing is done in the name of religion, it's automatically right wing? I mean I explained in the very first message why. Then you backed off saying that a religion isn't left or right wing. Islamic terrorism since the Palestine issue got attention recently doesn't belong to "authoritarian, traditionalism, opposition to liberal values" categories which you mentioned. Is it still right wing then? And the left has been arguing for a long time that Islamic terrorism is just a reaction to the bad and terrible West's actions. How is it right wing then?" I didn’t back off at all. I said Islamic extremism is *typically* right wing. (Incidentally so is fundamentalist Christianity *typically* right wing) I then said that religion is neither left not right wing, but interpretations of its teachings can be. You appear to be conflating Islam (or any religion) with extremism - which is an unfair thing to do. | |||
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"Before this whole right wing/left wing thing we just had good people and bad people. Sure, there was tribalism and good and bad were subjective depending upon your respective tribe... Not much has changed. And the religion or colour of your flag doesn't make much difference. There are good people and there are bad people. If it requires mental gymnastics (beyond figuring out a big picture/the truth) to figure out who is whom, then you're overthinking it." Who is good and what are their beliefs? It’s all subjective. To those in the Middle East subject to their indoctrination, the west are bad. To those in the west subject to their indoctrination the others are bad. The mental gymnastics you describe are essential if you ever want to move away from the tribalistic nature of the modern world and progress. | |||
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"Before this whole right wing/left wing thing we just had good people and bad people. Sure, there was tribalism and good and bad were subjective depending upon your respective tribe... Not much has changed. And the religion or colour of your flag doesn't make much difference. There are good people and there are bad people. If it requires mental gymnastics (beyond figuring out a big picture/the truth) to figure out who is whom, then you're overthinking it. Who is good and what are their beliefs? It’s all subjective. To those in the Middle East subject to their indoctrination, the west are bad. To those in the west subject to their indoctrination the others are bad. The mental gymnastics you describe are essential if you ever want to move away from the tribalistic nature of the modern world and progress." Can you give an example of requisite mental gymnastics? | |||
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"Before this whole right wing/left wing thing we just had good people and bad people. Sure, there was tribalism and good and bad were subjective depending upon your respective tribe... Not much has changed. And the religion or colour of your flag doesn't make much difference. There are good people and there are bad people. If it requires mental gymnastics (beyond figuring out a big picture/the truth) to figure out who is whom, then you're overthinking it. Who is good and what are their beliefs? It’s all subjective. To those in the Middle East subject to their indoctrination, the west are bad. To those in the west subject to their indoctrination the others are bad. The mental gymnastics you describe are essential if you ever want to move away from the tribalistic nature of the modern world and progress. Can you give an example of requisite mental gymnastics?" You brought it into the conversation
Think about a war. Two troops on opposite sides, perhaps teenagers or early twenties. Both given orders to kill the enemy whom they have been indoctrinated into believing is wrong.
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" I didn’t back off at all. I said Islamic extremism is *typically* right wing. (Incidentally so is fundamentalist Christianity *typically* right wing) I then said that religion is neither left not right wing, but interpretations of its teachings can be. You appear to be conflating Islam (or any religion) with extremism - which is an unfair thing to do. " How is Islamic terrorism "typically" right wing? The recent attacks planned/executed were for the Palestinian cause, which is predominantly a left wing issue today. | |||
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" The mental gymnastics you describe are essential if you ever want to move away from the tribalistic nature of the modern world and progress. Can you give an example of requisite mental gymnastics? You brought it into the conversation
Think about a war. Two troops on opposite sides, perhaps teenagers or early twenties. Both given orders to kill the enemy whom they have been indoctrinated into believing is wrong.
Who is the bad guy? "That doesn't require mental gymnastics. It's an example much like WW1, but neither is necessarily bad. You're confusing complexity, ambiguity and messiness with shoehorning in a comfortable narrative using sophistry. We can disagree and both be morally correct (there is room for relativism). But when one zooms out, the true "bad" is usually (not always) visible. | |||
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" I didn’t back off at all. I said Islamic extremism is *typically* right wing. (Incidentally so is fundamentalist Christianity *typically* right wing) I then said that religion is neither left not right wing, but interpretations of its teachings can be. You appear to be conflating Islam (or any religion) with extremism - which is an unfair thing to do. How is Islamic terrorism "typically" right wing? The recent attacks planned/executed were for the Palestinian cause, which is predominantly a left wing issue today." What recent attacks? Define your scope. | |||
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" The mental gymnastics you describe are essential if you ever want to move away from the tribalistic nature of the modern world and progress. Can you give an example of requisite mental gymnastics? You brought it into the conversation
Think about a war. Two troops on opposite sides, perhaps teenagers or early twenties. Both given orders to kill the enemy whom they have been indoctrinated into believing is wrong.
Who is the bad guy?
That doesn't require mental gymnastics. It's an example much like WW1, but neither is necessarily bad. You're confusing complexity, ambiguity and messiness with shoehorning in a comfortable narrative using sophistry.
We can disagree and both be morally correct (there is room for relativism). But when one zooms out, the true "bad" is usually (not always) visible."It’s clearly visible from the perspective of your own bias - that’s the point | |||
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" It’s clearly visible from the perspective of your own bias - that’s the point " Agreed! But there's a difference between bias and gymnastics. | |||
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" I didn’t back off at all. I said Islamic extremism is *typically* right wing. (Incidentally so is fundamentalist Christianity *typically* right wing) I then said that religion is neither left not right wing, but interpretations of its teachings can be. You appear to be conflating Islam (or any religion) with extremism - which is an unfair thing to do. How is Islamic terrorism "typically" right wing? The recent attacks planned/executed were for the Palestinian cause, which is predominantly a left wing issue today. What recent attacks? Define your scope. " Arson attack on Jewish Ambulances: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdxdwxxpjplo Gun plot targeting Jewish communities: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly50mg8rp7o Are they left wing or right wing? | |||
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" I didn’t back off at all. I said Islamic extremism is *typically* right wing. (Incidentally so is fundamentalist Christianity *typically* right wing) I then said that religion is neither left not right wing, but interpretations of its teachings can be. You appear to be conflating Islam (or any religion) with extremism - which is an unfair thing to do. How is Islamic terrorism "typically" right wing? The recent attacks planned/executed were for the Palestinian cause, which is predominantly a left wing issue today. What recent attacks? Define your scope. Arson attack on Jewish Ambulances: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdxdwxxpjplo Gun plot targeting Jewish communities: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly50mg8rp7o Are they left wing or right wing?" So you’ve chosen 2 attacks from the past few months - that’s your scope? Your data is somewhat limited, wouldn’t you agree? See I purposely used the word ‘typically’ because unlike you, I accept that these things aren’t black and white, and wouldn’t dream of making an idiotic claim that all extremism was from one side or another (manly because it’s obviously not). I’ll let you broaden your scope, look back over maybe several decades of confirmed terror attacks - you can stick to Islam or broaden to all religions if you like - and you can present your findings. Sound good? | |||
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" I didn’t back off at all. I said Islamic extremism is *typically* right wing. (Incidentally so is fundamentalist Christianity *typically* right wing) I then said that religion is neither left not right wing, but interpretations of its teachings can be. You appear to be conflating Islam (or any religion) with extremism - which is an unfair thing to do. How is Islamic terrorism "typically" right wing? The recent attacks planned/executed were for the Palestinian cause, which is predominantly a left wing issue today. What recent attacks? Define your scope. Arson attack on Jewish Ambulances: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdxdwxxpjplo Gun plot targeting Jewish communities: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly50mg8rp7o Are they left wing or right wing?" I’ll also ask you in what way you believe these to be ‘left wing’ | |||
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" Arson attack on Jewish Ambulances: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdxdwxxpjplo Gun plot targeting Jewish communities: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly50mg8rp7o Are they left wing or right wing?" Why must they be either? One fascinating development over the past decades has been the left wing love for right wing Islamists ( https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jun/17/hamtramck-michigan-muslim-council-lgbtq-pride-flags-banned ), and the right wing love for Jews ( https://spectator.com/article/jews-dont-need-tommy-robinson/ ) | |||
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" Arson attack on Jewish Ambulances: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdxdwxxpjplo Gun plot targeting Jewish communities: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly50mg8rp7o Are they left wing or right wing? Why must they be either? One fascinating development over the past decades has been the left wing love for right wing Islamists ( https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jun/17/hamtramck-michigan-muslim-council-lgbtq-pride-flags-banned ), and the right wing love for Jews ( https://spectator.com/article/jews-dont-need-tommy-robinson/ )" See also: the rise in sweeping generalisation by commentators. | |||
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" I didn’t back off at all. I said Islamic extremism is *typically* right wing. (Incidentally so is fundamentalist Christianity *typically* right wing) I then said that religion is neither left not right wing, but interpretations of its teachings can be. You appear to be conflating Islam (or any religion) with extremism - which is an unfair thing to do. How is Islamic terrorism "typically" right wing? The recent attacks planned/executed were for the Palestinian cause, which is predominantly a left wing issue today. What recent attacks? Define your scope. Arson attack on Jewish Ambulances: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdxdwxxpjplo Gun plot targeting Jewish communities: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly50mg8rp7o Are they left wing or right wing? I’ll also ask you in what way you believe these to be ‘left wing’" You are the one who said Islamic terror attacks are typically right wing. Are these attacks right wing? | |||
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" I didn’t back off at all. I said Islamic extremism is *typically* right wing. (Incidentally so is fundamentalist Christianity *typically* right wing) I then said that religion is neither left not right wing, but interpretations of its teachings can be. You appear to be conflating Islam (or any religion) with extremism - which is an unfair thing to do. How is Islamic terrorism "typically" right wing? The recent attacks planned/executed were for the Palestinian cause, which is predominantly a left wing issue today. What recent attacks? Define your scope. Arson attack on Jewish Ambulances: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdxdwxxpjplo Gun plot targeting Jewish communities: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly50mg8rp7o Are they left wing or right wing? So you’ve chosen 2 attacks from the past few months - that’s your scope? Your data is somewhat limited, wouldn’t you agree? See I purposely used the word ‘typically’ because unlike you, I accept that these things aren’t black and white, and wouldn’t dream of making an idiotic claim that all extremism was from one side or another (manly because it’s obviously not). " And yet you said "typically" they are right wing. Show me the Islamic terror attacks in UK which you believe are motivated by right wing causes. | |||
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" I didn’t back off at all. I said Islamic extremism is *typically* right wing. (Incidentally so is fundamentalist Christianity *typically* right wing) I then said that religion is neither left not right wing, but interpretations of its teachings can be. You appear to be conflating Islam (or any religion) with extremism - which is an unfair thing to do. How is Islamic terrorism "typically" right wing? The recent attacks planned/executed were for the Palestinian cause, which is predominantly a left wing issue today. What recent attacks? Define your scope. Arson attack on Jewish Ambulances: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdxdwxxpjplo Gun plot targeting Jewish communities: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly50mg8rp7o Are they left wing or right wing? I’ll also ask you in what way you believe these to be ‘left wing’ You are the one who said Islamic terror attacks are typically right wing. Are these attacks right wing?" I did say that. And I used ‘typically’ with good reason. I don’t know the motivations behind these attacks - do you? | |||
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" Arson attack on Jewish Ambulances: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdxdwxxpjplo Gun plot targeting Jewish communities: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly50mg8rp7o Are they left wing or right wing? Why must they be either? One fascinating development over the past decades has been the left wing love for right wing Islamists ( https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jun/17/hamtramck-michigan-muslim-council-lgbtq-pride-flags-banned ), and the right wing love for Jews ( https://spectator.com/article/jews-dont-need-tommy-robinson/ )" Yeah that's why left-right split doesn't work well in many cases. | |||
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" I didn’t back off at all. I said Islamic extremism is *typically* right wing. (Incidentally so is fundamentalist Christianity *typically* right wing) I then said that religion is neither left not right wing, but interpretations of its teachings can be. You appear to be conflating Islam (or any religion) with extremism - which is an unfair thing to do. How is Islamic terrorism "typically" right wing? The recent attacks planned/executed were for the Palestinian cause, which is predominantly a left wing issue today. What recent attacks? Define your scope. Arson attack on Jewish Ambulances: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdxdwxxpjplo Gun plot targeting Jewish communities: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly50mg8rp7o Are they left wing or right wing? I’ll also ask you in what way you believe these to be ‘left wing’ You are the one who said Islamic terror attacks are typically right wing. Are these attacks right wing? I did say that. And I used ‘typically’ with good reason. I don’t know the motivations behind these attacks - do you? " The motivation has been known to be the Palestinian cause. There have been more such attacks since October 7. Is Palestine cause right wing? | |||
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" I didn’t back off at all. I said Islamic extremism is *typically* right wing. (Incidentally so is fundamentalist Christianity *typically* right wing) I then said that religion is neither left not right wing, but interpretations of its teachings can be. You appear to be conflating Islam (or any religion) with extremism - which is an unfair thing to do. How is Islamic terrorism "typically" right wing? The recent attacks planned/executed were for the Palestinian cause, which is predominantly a left wing issue today. What recent attacks? Define your scope. Arson attack on Jewish Ambulances: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdxdwxxpjplo Gun plot targeting Jewish communities: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly50mg8rp7o Are they left wing or right wing? So you’ve chosen 2 attacks from the past few months - that’s your scope? Your data is somewhat limited, wouldn’t you agree? See I purposely used the word ‘typically’ because unlike you, I accept that these things aren’t black and white, and wouldn’t dream of making an idiotic claim that all extremism was from one side or another (manly because it’s obviously not). And yet you said "typically" they are right wing. Show me the Islamic terror attacks in UK which you believe are motivated by right wing causes." You’re narrowing your scope even further now by saying U.K only? 7/7 attacks - perpetrators linked to Al quaeda. A right wing organisation. | |||
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" I didn’t back off at all. I said Islamic extremism is *typically* right wing. (Incidentally so is fundamentalist Christianity *typically* right wing) I then said that religion is neither left not right wing, but interpretations of its teachings can be. You appear to be conflating Islam (or any religion) with extremism - which is an unfair thing to do. How is Islamic terrorism "typically" right wing? The recent attacks planned/executed were for the Palestinian cause, which is predominantly a left wing issue today. What recent attacks? Define your scope. Arson attack on Jewish Ambulances: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdxdwxxpjplo Gun plot targeting Jewish communities: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly50mg8rp7o Are they left wing or right wing? I’ll also ask you in what way you believe these to be ‘left wing’ You are the one who said Islamic terror attacks are typically right wing. Are these attacks right wing? I did say that. And I used ‘typically’ with good reason. I don’t know the motivations behind these attacks - do you? The motivation has been known to be the Palestinian cause. There have been more such attacks since October 7. Is Palestine cause right wing?" Has been known to be the Palestinian cause? That’s a broad statement, isn’t it? Does supporting the innocent people of Palestine automatically make one left wing, then? Do you see how your binary view of the world is so easily questioned yet? | |||
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"It is difficult to imagine a worse POTUS than Mr Duck, but JD would certainly be in the running!" In Trumps instance POTUS should mean Pedophile of the United States | |||
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"Is Palestine cause right wing?" In Gaza, to Muslim Brotherhood affiliates, it's right wing authoritarianism. In California, it's left wing anti-establishment. | |||
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"Is Palestine cause right wing? In Gaza, to Muslim Brotherhood affiliates, it's right wing authoritarianism. In California, it's left wing anti-establishment." I guess one person's right wing is another person's left wing  | |||
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" I didn’t back off at all. I said Islamic extremism is *typically* right wing. (Incidentally so is fundamentalist Christianity *typically* right wing) I then said that religion is neither left not right wing, but interpretations of its teachings can be. You appear to be conflating Islam (or any religion) with extremism - which is an unfair thing to do. How is Islamic terrorism "typically" right wing? The recent attacks planned/executed were for the Palestinian cause, which is predominantly a left wing issue today. What recent attacks? Define your scope. Arson attack on Jewish Ambulances: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdxdwxxpjplo Gun plot targeting Jewish communities: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly50mg8rp7o Are they left wing or right wing? So you’ve chosen 2 attacks from the past few months - that’s your scope? Your data is somewhat limited, wouldn’t you agree? See I purposely used the word ‘typically’ because unlike you, I accept that these things aren’t black and white, and wouldn’t dream of making an idiotic claim that all extremism was from one side or another (manly because it’s obviously not). And yet you said "typically" they are right wing. Show me the Islamic terror attacks in UK which you believe are motivated by right wing causes. You’re narrowing your scope even further now by saying U.K only? 7/7 attacks - perpetrators linked to Al quaeda. A right wing organisation. " Ok, let's take the US too if you want. You say Al Qaeda is a right wing organisation. When Bin Laden declared Jihad against the US, the two primary reasons he called out where the American financial contributions to the Saudi royal family and the American military intervention in the middle east. Are these causes right wing causes? Sure Al Qaeda's belief system is extreme religious conservatism, which you can call right wing. But the motivations for their attack aren't really right wing. If anything, they are more aligned with left wing causes in America. | |||
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" I didn’t back off at all. I said Islamic extremism is *typically* right wing. (Incidentally so is fundamentalist Christianity *typically* right wing) I then said that religion is neither left not right wing, but interpretations of its teachings can be. You appear to be conflating Islam (or any religion) with extremism - which is an unfair thing to do. How is Islamic terrorism "typically" right wing? The recent attacks planned/executed were for the Palestinian cause, which is predominantly a left wing issue today. What recent attacks? Define your scope. Arson attack on Jewish Ambulances: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdxdwxxpjplo Gun plot targeting Jewish communities: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly50mg8rp7o Are they left wing or right wing? I’ll also ask you in what way you believe these to be ‘left wing’ You are the one who said Islamic terror attacks are typically right wing. Are these attacks right wing? I did say that. And I used ‘typically’ with good reason. I don’t know the motivations behind these attacks - do you? The motivation has been known to be the Palestinian cause. There have been more such attacks since October 7. Is Palestine cause right wing? Has been known to be the Palestinian cause? That’s a broad statement, isn’t it? Does supporting the innocent people of Palestine automatically make one left wing, then? Do you see how your binary view of the world is so easily questioned yet? " are you including the thousands who were on the streets of gaza on Oct 7th singing and clapping as they brought the hostages back as innocent Palestinians? I think its cute that you think there are Palestinians in gaza who don't want to see the jews either wiped out or forced out of israel | |||
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" I didn’t back off at all. I said Islamic extremism is *typically* right wing. (Incidentally so is fundamentalist Christianity *typically* right wing) I then said that religion is neither left not right wing, but interpretations of its teachings can be. You appear to be conflating Islam (or any religion) with extremism - which is an unfair thing to do. How is Islamic terrorism "typically" right wing? The recent attacks planned/executed were for the Palestinian cause, which is predominantly a left wing issue today. What recent attacks? Define your scope. Arson attack on Jewish Ambulances: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdxdwxxpjplo Gun plot targeting Jewish communities: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly50mg8rp7o Are they left wing or right wing? So you’ve chosen 2 attacks from the past few months - that’s your scope? Your data is somewhat limited, wouldn’t you agree? See I purposely used the word ‘typically’ because unlike you, I accept that these things aren’t black and white, and wouldn’t dream of making an idiotic claim that all extremism was from one side or another (manly because it’s obviously not). And yet you said "typically" they are right wing. Show me the Islamic terror attacks in UK which you believe are motivated by right wing causes. You’re narrowing your scope even further now by saying U.K only? 7/7 attacks - perpetrators linked to Al quaeda. A right wing organisation. Ok, let's take the US too if you want. You say Al Qaeda is a right wing organisation. When Bin Laden declared Jihad against the US, the two primary reasons he called out where the American financial contributions to the Saudi royal family and the American military intervention in the middle east. Are these causes right wing causes? Sure Al Qaeda's belief system is extreme religious conservatism, which you can call right wing. But the motivations for their attack aren't really right wing. If anything, they are more aligned with left wing causes in America." Hahaha!!!! And with that, I’m done here. Al quaeda, lefty brothers trying to spread the socialist manifesto across the world! | |||
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" Has been known to be the Palestinian cause? That’s a broad statement, isn’t it? Does supporting the innocent people of Palestine automatically make one left wing, then? Do you see how your binary view of the world is so easily questioned yet? " A binary view of the world is the reason why you said that Islamic terror attacks are "typically" right wing. Now that I point out attacks which are based on causes which have been more related to left wing in the west, you suddenly care about nuance? Maybe you should have had this nuance before calling the terror attacks right wing? | |||
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"? I think its cute that you think there are Palestinians in gaza who don't want to see the jews either wiped out or forced out of israel" You’re generalising all Palestinians now? I’d ask for your evidence except based upon your extensive history you won’t provide it and still blame you’re right. Have a great day | |||
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" I didn’t back off at all. I said Islamic extremism is *typically* right wing. (Incidentally so is fundamentalist Christianity *typically* right wing) I then said that religion is neither left not right wing, but interpretations of its teachings can be. You appear to be conflating Islam (or any religion) with extremism - which is an unfair thing to do. How is Islamic terrorism "typically" right wing? The recent attacks planned/executed were for the Palestinian cause, which is predominantly a left wing issue today. What recent attacks? Define your scope. Arson attack on Jewish Ambulances: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdxdwxxpjplo Gun plot targeting Jewish communities: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly50mg8rp7o Are they left wing or right wing? So you’ve chosen 2 attacks from the past few months - that’s your scope? Your data is somewhat limited, wouldn’t you agree? See I purposely used the word ‘typically’ because unlike you, I accept that these things aren’t black and white, and wouldn’t dream of making an idiotic claim that all extremism was from one side or another (manly because it’s obviously not). And yet you said "typically" they are right wing. Show me the Islamic terror attacks in UK which you believe are motivated by right wing causes. You’re narrowing your scope even further now by saying U.K only? 7/7 attacks - perpetrators linked to Al quaeda. A right wing organisation. Ok, let's take the US too if you want. You say Al Qaeda is a right wing organisation. When Bin Laden declared Jihad against the US, the two primary reasons he called out where the American financial contributions to the Saudi royal family and the American military intervention in the middle east. Are these causes right wing causes? Sure Al Qaeda's belief system is extreme religious conservatism, which you can call right wing. But the motivations for their attack aren't really right wing. If anything, they are more aligned with left wing causes in America. Hahaha!!!! And with that, I’m done here. Al quaeda, lefty brothers trying to spread the socialist manifesto across the world! "You should spend more time reading before rushing to click on the reply button. I specifically said that they are extreme religious conservatives. But the causes they fought for, were more aligned with the leftists of the Western world. | |||
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"? I think its cute that you think there are Palestinians in gaza who don't want to see the jews either wiped out or forced out of israel You’re generalising all Palestinians now? I’d ask for your evidence except based upon your extensive history you won’t provide it and still blame you’re right. Have a great day "to right I'm generalising all Palestinians.there is a reason there muslim neighbours won't open there borders and let them in.nice to see you back on a new profile though traindriver | |||
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" Has been known to be the Palestinian cause? That’s a broad statement, isn’t it? Does supporting the innocent people of Palestine automatically make one left wing, then? Do you see how your binary view of the world is so easily questioned yet? A binary view of the world is the reason why you said that Islamic terror attacks are "typically" right wing. Now that I point out attacks which are based on causes which have been more related to left wing in the west, you suddenly care about nuance? Maybe you should have had this nuance before calling the terror attacks right wing?" Do you know what ‘typically’ means? Is that the issue here? Did you start your broader research yet? | |||
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" I didn’t back off at all. I said Islamic extremism is *typically* right wing. (Incidentally so is fundamentalist Christianity *typically* right wing) I then said that religion is neither left not right wing, but interpretations of its teachings can be. You appear to be conflating Islam (or any religion) with extremism - which is an unfair thing to do. How is Islamic terrorism "typically" right wing? The recent attacks planned/executed were for the Palestinian cause, which is predominantly a left wing issue today. What recent attacks? Define your scope. Arson attack on Jewish Ambulances: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdxdwxxpjplo Gun plot targeting Jewish communities: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly50mg8rp7o Are they left wing or right wing? So you’ve chosen 2 attacks from the past few months - that’s your scope? Your data is somewhat limited, wouldn’t you agree? See I purposely used the word ‘typically’ because unlike you, I accept that these things aren’t black and white, and wouldn’t dream of making an idiotic claim that all extremism was from one side or another (manly because it’s obviously not). And yet you said "typically" they are right wing. Show me the Islamic terror attacks in UK which you believe are motivated by right wing causes. You’re narrowing your scope even further now by saying U.K only? 7/7 attacks - perpetrators linked to Al quaeda. A right wing organisation. Ok, let's take the US too if you want. You say Al Qaeda is a right wing organisation. When Bin Laden declared Jihad against the US, the two primary reasons he called out where the American financial contributions to the Saudi royal family and the American military intervention in the middle east. Are these causes right wing causes? Sure Al Qaeda's belief system is extreme religious conservatism, which you can call right wing. But the motivations for their attack aren't really right wing. If anything, they are more aligned with left wing causes in America. Hahaha!!!! And with that, I’m done here. Al quaeda, lefty brothers trying to spread the socialist manifesto across the world!
You should spend more time reading before rushing to click on the reply button. I specifically said that they are extreme religious conservatives. But the causes they fought for, were more aligned with the leftists of the Western world."What leftists are into authoritarianism, traditional values, and caliphate, then? | |||
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"What leftists are into authoritarianism" Ones in power. Like the Chinese, Russian and Cuban ones. "traditional values" So long as they're traditions of other people, it's diversity, innit? "and caliphate, then? " Ones like George Galloway, Jeremy Corbyn and everyone else who appeared on (Iranian) Press TV. | |||
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"What leftists are into authoritarianism Ones in power. Like the Chinese, Russian and Cuban ones. traditional values So long as they're traditions of other people, it's diversity, innit? and caliphate, then? Ones like George Galloway, Jeremy Corbyn and everyone else who appeared on (Iranian) Press TV." As soon as someone accuses Russia of being left wing I tend to switch off, my bad. An yes, Galloway and Corbyn are headbangers. That’s like saying everyone on the right is Farage | |||
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"What leftists are into authoritarianism Ones in power. Like the Chinese, Russian and Cuban ones. traditional values So long as they're traditions of other people, it's diversity, innit? and caliphate, then? Ones like George Galloway, Jeremy Corbyn and everyone else who appeared on (Iranian) Press TV. As soon as someone accuses Russia of being left wing I tend to switch off, my bad. An yes, Galloway and Corbyn are headbangers. That’s like saying everyone on the right is Farage " No true Scotsman... Sorry. No true leftist...? | |||
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"What leftists are into authoritarianism Ones in power. Like the Chinese, Russian and Cuban ones. traditional values So long as they're traditions of other people, it's diversity, innit? and caliphate, then? Ones like George Galloway, Jeremy Corbyn and everyone else who appeared on (Iranian) Press TV. As soon as someone accuses Russia of being left wing I tend to switch off, my bad. An yes, Galloway and Corbyn are headbangers. That’s like saying everyone on the right is Farage No true Scotsman... Sorry. No true leftist...?" I mean it’s a fine stance to take, as long as you accept the logical end at the other end of the spectrum | |||
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" I mean it’s a fine stance to take, as long as you accept the logical end at the other end of the spectrum" Not understanding, sorry? | |||
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" I mean it’s a fine stance to take, as long as you accept the logical end at the other end of the spectrum Not understanding, sorry?" If you want to lump on all leftists because of one or two headbangers, you have to do the same with the right. So all righties must be like Yaxley-Lennon and Farage. No true rightist, after all…. | |||
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" If you want to lump on all leftists because of one or two headbangers, you have to do the same with the right. So all righties must be like Yaxley-Lennon and Farage. No true rightist, after all…." You asked: "What leftists are into authoritarianism, traditional values, and caliphate, then?" You got answers to exactly those questions, not "demonstrate how all leftists are xyz". | |||
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" If you want to lump on all leftists because of one or two headbangers, you have to do the same with the right. So all righties must be like Yaxley-Lennon and Farage. No true rightist, after all…. You asked: What leftists are into authoritarianism, traditional values, and caliphate, then? You got answers to exactly those questions, not "demonstrate how all leftists are xyz"." And then you attempted to portray that the existence of a couple of hardliners speak for all leftists. Does the same work for the right? | |||
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" And then you attempted to portray that the existence of a couple of hardliners speak for all leftists." Totally false. Perhaps you're mixing up posters. "Does the same work for the right? " Exactly as much as it does for the left. | |||
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" And then you attempted to portray that the existence of a couple of hardliners speak for all leftists. Totally false. Perhaps you're mixing up posters. Does the same work for the right? Exactly as much as it does for the left." Did you use the phrase ‘no true Scotsman?’ Bearing in mind the evidence is right above you. | |||
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" And then you attempted to portray that the existence of a couple of hardliners speak for all leftists. Totally false. Perhaps you're mixing up posters. Does the same work for the right? Exactly as much as it does for the left. Did you use the phrase ‘no true Scotsman?’ Bearing in mind the evidence is right above you." Do you understand how the "No true Scotsman" fallacy works? It wasn't invoked to imply that all people of a certain type share an attribute. It's to prevent a convenient exclusion of someone who doesn't fit a narrative. | |||
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"You know what? You’re all right. Al quaeda are left wing. Corbyn wants a U.K. caliphate and all extremist terror is left wing. I give up. " Almost forgot. Starmer is a communist, Farage is a man of the people and woke councils are scared to fly flags. | |||
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"You know what? You’re all right. Al quaeda are left wing. Corbyn wants a U.K. caliphate and all extremist terror is left wing. I give up. Almost forgot. Starmer is a communist, Farage is a man of the people and woke councils are scared to fly flags. " Farage is a racist workshy wanker. Starmer, for all his faults, is the best outcome we could have hoped for. Councils are confused by flags and consumed by infighting. | |||
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" What leftists are into authoritarianism, traditional values, and caliphate, then? " The entirety of Marxism relies on authoritarianism. But that's a different topic. Again, read what I wrote before replying. I am talking about the causes for which the terror attacks were committed. Many terror attacks in UK committed for the Palestinian cause. In the UK, is it the left wing parties or the right wing parties who are loudly Pro-Palestine? The 9/11 attack's motive was to fight against American interference in the middle east. Was it the left or the right who criticises the US all the time for their interference in the middle east? | |||
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"You know what? You’re all right. Al quaeda are left wing. Corbyn wants a U.K. caliphate and all extremist terror is left wing. I give up. Almost forgot. Starmer is a communist, Farage is a man of the people and woke councils are scared to fly flags. " Farage a man of the people best joke I heard today. He is record saying Nhs should be replaced bg an insurance based scheme like the USA,Then when challenged backed down his followers would have you believe he really changed mind has he hell that was because he was under pressure. Also embezzled money from the eu, fiddled a mortgae like Angela Raynor, currently under investigation for another £5 million quid undeclared donation,the same Farage who fooled the little englanders into believing Brexit was the answer to everything abd NHS would get billions, see that was a lie, he admitted eventually the brexit bus slogan figures were a lie. I do know anyone who thinks uk is better with brexit | |||
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"You know what? You’re all right. Al quaeda are left wing. Corbyn wants a U.K. caliphate and all extremist terror is left wing. I give up. Almost forgot. Starmer is a communist, Farage is a man of the people and woke councils are scared to fly flags. " You do like a good strawman, don't you? Anything but reading a post before replying. | |||
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"It must be contagious, you are all losing the plot! Welcome to the Forum home for the bewildered!" Well, I for one, am able to recognise humour, wit and cynicism when I see it but it looks likea good few on here dont share that ability! No wonder so many of the 'on line' generation have to rely on the presence of LOLs and smileys to realise that something has been posted in jest... and even then they often don't catch on... | |||
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"It must be contagious, you are all losing the plot! Welcome to the Forum home for the bewildered! Well, I for one, am able to recognise humour, wit and cynicism when I see it but it looks likea good few on here dont share that ability! No wonder so many of the 'on line' generation have to rely on the presence of LOLs and smileys to realise that something has been posted in jest... and even then they often don't catch on..." 
Don’t laugh, it’s not funny, this is the next generation that will be running the world soon! | |||
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" Don’t laugh, it’s not funny, this is the next generation that will be running the world soon!" Didn’t you mean 'ruining' the world..? Oops,I forgot, that is Trump's job... | |||
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"It must be contagious, you are all losing the plot! Welcome to the Forum home for the bewildered! Well, I for one, am able to recognise humour, wit and cynicism when I see it but it looks likea good few on here dont share that ability! No wonder so many of the 'on line' generation have to rely on the presence of LOLs and smileys to realise that something has been posted in jest... and even then they often don't catch on..." I'm trying to work out why King Charles gave Trump the coning tower bell, from HMS Trump: Perhaps an inference that he's a bell end? | |||
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" I'm trying to work out why King Charles gave Trump the coning tower bell, from HMS Trump: Perhaps an inference that he's a bell end? "Someone said that he liked shiny things with his name on it. Probably, literally, the actual reason. | |||
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" I'm trying to work out why King Charles gave Trump the coning tower bell, from HMS Trump: Perhaps an inference that he's a bell end?
Someone said that he liked shiny things with his name on it.
Probably, literally, the actual reason."..and he is conning the USA from Trump towers! | |||
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"I’m a Christian and I can see the funny side… Unlike other religions us Christian’s can laugh and make fun of ourselves… " Very true, and unlike other religions Christians, practising or not, do not tend to resent other religions and call them names, presumably to reinforce their own power over their own followers. The distortion of any religion is purely about, power, control, money, greed and territorial ambitions. | |||
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"...unlike other religions Christians, practising or not, do not tend to resent other religions and call them names, presumably to reinforce their own power over their own followers." Huh?! Individuals of all religions (and none) do this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infidel#:~:text=The%20origins%20of%20the%20word,in%20religion%22%20(1527). The origins of the word infidel date to the late 15th century, deriving from the French infidèle or Latin infidelis, from in- "not" + fidelis "faithful" (from fides "faith", related to fidere 'to trust'). The word originally denoted a person of a religion other than one's own, especially a Christian to a Muslim, a Muslim to a Christian, or a gentile to a Jew. Later meanings in the 15th century include "unbelieving", "a non-Christian", and "one who does not believe in religion" (1527). | |||
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"I am not in the least bit religious and l have a very low regard for all religions, but l do find the portrayal of Jesus Trump and Pope Donald by a man more akin to Donald Duck, without the integrity, very offensive. Am l being over sensitive?" It would only be you who could decide if you are being over sensitive. For me, the "Dr Jesus" print made me shake my head and chuckle. Trump is Trump, nothing surprises or shocks me. Did I see it incorrectly last night on the Kings speech. Lots of applause and standing up, the VP up and down and clapping except for when Ukraine was mentioned, everyone else clapped except him and the military top brass. Think the King did a first class job. Love to be a fly on the wall on his flight back. 🤣🤣🤣 | |||
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"You know what? You’re all right. Al quaeda are left wing. Corbyn wants a U.K. caliphate and all extremist terror is left wing. I give up. Almost forgot. Starmer is a communist, Farage is a man of the people and woke councils are scared to fly flags. " Farage a man of the people is comedy gold. Lets see the nonsense voters out in force supporting him in locals next week. Careful what you wish for | |||
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